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Biden Team Cancels Texas Event After Highway 'Ambush' by MAGA Cavalry

  
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By:   Kelly Weill (MSN)

Biden Team Cancels Texas Event After Highway 'Ambush' by MAGA Cavalry
Joe Biden's presidential campaign canceled a Friday event in Austin, Texas, after harassment from a pro-Trump contingent. Texas has emerged as a battleground state in Tuesday's presidential election, with polls showing the typically Republican stronghold now only marginally favoring President Donald Trump. The Biden campaign scheduled a Friday event in the state, in a bid to drum up last-minute support. But when the Biden campaign bus drove to...

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Biden Team Cancels Texas Event After Highway 'Ambush' by MAGA Cavalry

Joe Biden's presidential campaign canceled a Friday event in Austin, Texas, after harassment from a pro-Trump contingent.

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Texas has emerged as a battleground state in Tuesday's presidential election, with polls showing the typically Republican stronghold now only marginally favoring President Donald Trump. The Biden campaign scheduled a Friday event in the state, in a bid to drum up last-minute support. But when the Biden campaign bus drove to Austin, it was greeted by a blockade of pro-Trump demonstrators, leading to what one Texas House representative described as an escalation "well beyond safe limits."

The cancelation comes amid national anxiety about voter intimidation, a tactic the Trump campaign has implicitly endorsed.

Historian Dr. Eric Cervini was driving to help with the Biden campaign stop when he filmed a line of pickup trucks along the highway, many of them flying Trump flags. The drivers were "waiting to ambush the Biden/Harris campaign bus as it traveled from San Antonio to Austin," Cervini tweeted.

"These Trump supporters, many of whom were armed, surrounded the bus on the interstate and attempted to drive it off the road," he alleged. "They outnumbered police 50-1, and they ended up hitting a staffer's car."


For all the trumpsters insisting it didn't happen, here's pics that you'll still insist show nothing. pic.twitter.com/Rpp65k5tPi
— lisabuentello (@lisabuentello) October 31, 2020

Footage from a CBS affiliate in Austin shows Trump supporters with signs and bullhorns surrounding the bus when it parked, with one person screaming that Biden was a communist.

Rep. Sheryl Cole, a Democrat representing nearby Pflugerville in Texas's House, announced that a Biden event in her city had been canceled due to the harassment.

"This is a 1st for me - but we just cancelled a joint event in Pflugerville w/ @JoeBiden campaign,

@AustinYoungDems, & more, due to security reasons," she tweeted. "Unfortunately, Pro-Trump Protestors have escalated well beyond safe limits. Sorry to all who looked forward to this fun event."


LMAO

This is Kamala bus!

Verified Kamala was on this bus.

Radio blasting to, "Eye of the Tiger!!" pic.twitter.com/Rqzy0QDbEV
— MAGA (@BlessUSA45) October 31, 2020

The Biden campaign did not immediately return a request for comment.

The Trump campaign—and often Trump himself—has encouraged in-person conflict around the polls. Trump used the first presidential debate to urge supporters to act as "poll watchers," a call that sparked concerns of voter intimidation. His son, Donald Trump Jr., made an explicit call-out regarding the Biden campaign's Texas outreach efforts.

In a video ahead of a Friday event by Biden's running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris, Trump Jr. encouraged his father's supporters to show up at Harris's event.

"Hey Laredo, Don Jr. here," he said. "I heard you had an awesome turnout for the Trump Train. It'd be great if you guys would all get together, head down to McAllen and give Kamala Harris a nice Trump Train welcome. Get out there, have some fun, enjoy it. Don't forget to vote and bring all of your friends. Let's show them how strong Texas still is as Trump country. Get out there, guys."

Trump supporters have previously been accused of intimidation this election. In Beverly Hills, California this week, an Australian television personality filmed participants at a pro-Trump rally shouting at her and threatening her in her car. A man brandishing a Trump flag at her appeared to photograph her and take down her license plate number.

"We've got you now," the man shouted. "You're going to vote for Trump whether you like it or not, you've got no choice."

When Biden spoke at a Minnesota event on Friday, the same day as his campaign was ambushed in Austin, Trump supporters in a caravan of vehicles reportedly surrounded the venue honking their horns and chanting.

During early voting in the swing state of Virginia late last month, a caravan of Trump supporters drove to the Democratic-leaning Fairfax County and surrounded people in an early voting line, shouting at them on loudspeakers

"We had a couple poll observers there that had to actually escort voters in because we saw people that would get to the edge of the parking lot, and see this giant group of Trumpers yelling and screaming," the executive director of the Fairfax County Democratic Committee told The Daily Beast at the time.

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sandy-2021492
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1  seeder  sandy-2021492    4 years ago
Historian Dr. Eric Cervini was driving to help with the Biden campaign stop when he filmed a line of pickup trucks along the highway, many of them flying Trump flags. The drivers were "waiting to ambush the Biden/Harris campaign bus as it traveled from San Antonio to Austin," Cervini tweeted. "These Trump supporters, many of whom were armed, surrounded the bus on the interstate and attempted to drive it off the road," he alleged. "They outnumbered police 50-1, and they ended up hitting a staffer's car."

I never thought I'd see such violence during an election.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    4 years ago

Here is a video of what actually happened. 

I love how Trump supporters play innocent when they get push back. This is nothing short of intimidation and being bullies. When in the history of our elections has this ever happened? Answer: Never.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago

Thanks.  I can't believe this happened.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago

I am not doubting that this happened, but the video really doesn't show anything other than a lot of truck of Trump supporters riding down the highway, surrounding the Biden bus.

And where was the Secret Service?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago

Well this 'president' has told his supporters to Stand Back and Stand By. . . is anyone surprised by this?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.4  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 years ago

It looked to me like one of them cut the bus off, sliding in extremely close to its front bumper.

How many Secret Service cars would have been needed to counter this many trucks?  Likely more than they generally have in their entourage.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.5  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 years ago

Again, when has this ever happened in modern election history? The answer is never. 

I'm sure the SS was there, but what were they supposed to do? As I said, it is not illegal, it's just intimidation and being bullies. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.6  Kavika   replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 years ago
Footage from a CBS affiliate in Austin shows Trump supporters with signs and bullhorns surrounding the bus when it parked, with one person screaming that Biden was a communist.

I'm sure it will be playing on TV and also on youtube shortly.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @1.1.6    4 years ago

Kav,

I got it from youtube. 

It's also on "The Donald" group. btw the rules are you can't say anything against Trump, so it's one big sick echo chamber. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.7    4 years ago

Let me amend. I got it from Twitter. 

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.1.9  Kavika   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.7    4 years ago
It's also on "The Donald" group. btw the rules are you can't say anything against Trump, so it's one big sick echo chamber. 

Bingo

 
 
 
Tacos!
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1.1.11  Tacos!  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago
Here is a video of what actually happened. 

That just looks like people driving down the highway.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.12  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.11    4 years ago

Sure it is.  They're just trying to get from one place to another - no intimidation evident at all.  The sort of thing people video with commentary every day.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.4    4 years ago

To be honest, looks like normal traffic on I-35 to me--and I travel on it pretty frequently.

Traffic was moving pretty well.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.14  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.13    4 years ago

Is it usual for people to video and comment on the behavior of "normal traffic"?

Do you think the Biden entourage has never encountered heavy traffic?  Did they cancel events because of it?

The police didn't seem to think it was normal.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.14    4 years ago

I didn't see any criminal actions in the video, did you?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.16  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.15    4 years ago

I see an awful lot of cars following too closely, which is an actual traffic violation, in case you were unaware.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.16    4 years ago

Like on virtually every major highway in America with a substantial amount of traffic.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.18  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.13    4 years ago

Looks like a rolling blockcade to me, boxing in the Biden Bus.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.19  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  CB @1.1.18    4 years ago

Of course it is.  Some people just don't see anything wrong with that.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.20  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    4 years ago

There is no legal thing as an unwanted 'escort' of cars on the freeways of this country. Moreover, as Trump supporters are fond of 'saying' freedom means mine your own damn business and Biden's business has little to nothing to do with a "Trump train."

Had it been me, I would have pulled off the freeway at the exit and gotten back on at a different stop. Or just stopped the bus and let those "fools" go on or expose themselves fully for the jackasses they were definitely being. Then, I would have my staff started filming license plates!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.20    4 years ago
There is no legal thing as an unwanted 'escort' of cars on the freeways of this country.

Those Trump supporters have just as much right to be on the highway as Biden.

There is nothing illegal about it.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.22  CB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.19    4 years ago

Plenty wrong with it. It's dangerous (and I think you know this although your comment is too pithy to read into it).  Additionally, Trump supporters always WHINE about freedom, liberty, the American Way, and those big ass waving flags - USA!, and here is evidence of them harassing the expression of campaigning in a free election. Well, their asses was caught red-state-handed quenching Biden's freedom to move along the roadway at his own pace and leisure.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.23  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.17    4 years ago

And on most of those highways, there aren't convoys attempting to surround other vehicles.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
1.1.24  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.21    4 years ago

Let me nip this in the bud, nobody is supposed to box another driver in on the freeway. Nobody thinks it is okay, and nobody wants it to happen to them. It is distracting to drivers and creates an unhealthy and unsafe driving space on a public access-way. It is not legal and likely expressly forbidden in DMV manuals. However, names and tags should be pulled and citations considered being placed in the mail.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.23    4 years ago

Hmm...the only wreck showing in the video is the one where a Biden car hit a Trump supporter's truck.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.26  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.25    4 years ago

Yup.  I wouldn't let myself be separated from my group by those folks, either.

Look, I know you don't want to think they did anything wrong.  But they did.  Try boxing in a tractor-trailer driver sometime, and see if he thinks you're just behaving normally.  You, too, are defending the indefensible.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.27  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.24    4 years ago

Weren't you supportive of "peaceful" protests blocking highways and streets?

Don't protests like that create an unhealthy and unsafe driving space?

If you condemn one, condemn both.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.28  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.26    4 years ago
Yup.  I wouldn't let myself be separated from my group by those folks, either.

Maybe you can justify the car ramming into the truck, but I ain't buying it!

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.29  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.25    4 years ago

In which case (if true): the unhealthy effect caused by "training" on a public roadway, and engaging a disinterested set of drivers in another's callous scheme.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.29    4 years ago

Please explain that post.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.31  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.27    4 years ago

Apples and oranges. Police secured "walk-ways" and "stand-ways" for protests on freeways. This is a political campaign bus splashed with identity-markings traveling at a bus-grade in a proper lane at a proper high rate of speed. Being "tag-a-longed' by opposition drivers front and back in a boxing-in maneuver.

Now some can feign ignorant of the differences and innocent of tactics, while pretending to defend the indefensible, but I have every right and privilege to call it BS and will. Adults know wrong when they see it - so don't try to fake us out!

The Biden people should lend a body to take time out to make a few examples of local conservative 'agitators.'

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.31    4 years ago

If police secured highways, then no one would have been able to drive on the highway.

See how that works?

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.33  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.30    4 years ago

The Biden bus was not collaborating with the Trump's group to "train" or be escorted down a roadway.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.34  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.33    4 years ago

So what? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.35  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.13    4 years ago

They laid in wait for the Biden bus to come so they could ambush it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.36  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.35    4 years ago

Ambush??

LMAO!!!!!!!!

No ambush. Get real.

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Dulay
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1.1.37  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.36    4 years ago

Yes ambush. 

I note that you don't deny that they laid in wait to surround the bus. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.38  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.37    4 years ago

Why deny it/

Makes sense--know where the bus will be, meet it there instead of driving aimlessly about hoping to spot it.

Does that make it okay for the Biden car to ram into the Trump supporter's truck?

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.39  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.32    4 years ago

I will not be deflected on to another discussion. This is a campaign bus not an individual standing or 'squatting' on a freeway. Have the proper discussion or just drop out of it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.40  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.39    4 years ago

I choose when and what to comment on.

You do the same.

Don't attempt to boss me around again.

if you don't like my commenting, drive on by.

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.41  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.34    4 years ago

So it is not proper use of the roadway. Stop wasting good time here.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.42  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.38    4 years ago
Why deny it/ Makes sense--know where the bus will be, meet it there instead of driving aimlessly about hoping to spot it.

Then by definition, it was an ambush. 

Does that make it okay for the Biden car to ram into the Trump supporter's truck?

IF the SS was in that white car, YES. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.43  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.40    4 years ago

All discussions have parameters and borders. Steering off into protest marches and 'sit-ins'—neither is the case here. Moreover, it is not even remotely what is occurring.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.42    4 years ago

no ambush, stop overdramatizing it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.45  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @1.1.42    4 years ago

if you have evidence of it being the SS, provide it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.46  Texan1211  replied to  CB @1.1.43    4 years ago

I won't let you choose what I post.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.47  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1    4 years ago

Never in my lifetime have I seen America descend from being civilized to resembling a third world country.  The UN should send out its Peacekeeping Force to stand between those animal-like intimidators and decent civilized people.   Following their leader's request, the animals are "standing by". 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1.48  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.47    4 years ago

Trump's rogue army brings to life Mahatma Gandhi's statement that I just read in a Rolling Stone article:

Asked what he thought of Western civilization, Mahatma Gandhi famously replied, “I think that would be a good idea.” Such a remark may seem cruel, but it accurately reflects the view of America today as seen from the perspective of any modern social democracy.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.49  JohnRussell  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.1.47    4 years ago

Texan's comments on this thread are what you get when you allow people to believe "both sides" are at fault for what is happening in this country. 

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President   Donald Trump   tweeted in support of a viral video of his fans swarming one of   Joe Biden’s   campaign buses,   forcing Democrats to cancel several rallies   in Austin, Texas.

On Tuesday night, Trump tweeted out the video with the caption “I LOVE TEXAS!” His post came right before his fourth rally of the day in Pennsylvania.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.1.50  JohnRussell  replied to  Tacos! @1.1.11    4 years ago

People are tired of these ridiculous responses. These ladies are too polite to you. 

In the video Perrie posted 

we see what appears to be about 25 or so vehicles, most displaying Trump flags , going in front of, to the sides of, and following the Biden bus. 

25.

How did they all get there? Why are they surrounding the bus? Is that good clean fun or planned and co-ordinated intimidation ?   Most drivers try to pass buses on the highway if they can, none of these Trump vehicles seem to be interested in getting beyond the bus. By "messing " with the bus they are increasing the risk of an accident , even if only minimally. 

We can always count on NT Trumpsters to support this kind of idiocy, as did Trump himself when he tweeted approval of what they did by reposting the video with the comment "I love Texas". 

If someone had been killed Trump would undoubtedly say "it's sad, but accidents happen". 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.51  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.50    4 years ago
 Most drivers try to pass buses on the highway if they can,

I would say that is usually a true statement , no one likes to get behind any large vehicle that usually is going slow or just below the speed limit , people seem to always be in a hurry.

 But in the same respect , those "big trucks " seem to attract people whom like to mess with them on purpose ,and i see it every time i get behind the wheel of a semi when im driving. ways i have been messed with ? the usual being cut off, with no space to do so, being passed on a grade , only to have those passing slow down slower than needed so there is no chance to regain speed, having someone speed up while trying to pass them. All done just to be an asshole IMHO. and being a supreme A hole myself , i install a dash cam while im driving , i run into someone like that , i simply download the footage and email it to a state trooper friend i have , in the 10 months i have been running a dash cam , 3 drivers have faced hefty fines for driver harrasment( one case was $800) or lost their lics.

The only one i actually feel anything for is the driver of the bus , since he or she is likely just contracted to drive the bus , and likely has no political affiliation or connection. its just a job to them.

other than the obvious political connection , what I viewed on the video, was what usually happens every single day in congested traffic  and the usual interactions between different sized vehicles.

The most dangerous nut on any vehicle ? is the one that holds the steering wheel.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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1.1.52  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Dulay @1.1.35    4 years ago

The bus should have slowly advanced.  If a magat is stupid enough to stand in front of a moving bus then they deserve to get run over.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1.49    4 years ago

If you don't like my comments, feel free to drive on by.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.54  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.51    4 years ago
The only one i actually feel anything for is the driver of the bus , since he or she is likely just contracted to drive the bus , and likely has no political affiliation or connection.

Actually, the driver was a campaign volunteer.  But why should that mean that he does not deserve our sympathy?  Does working for a political campaign automatically mean one should expect this type of behavior?  The same type of behavior that you yourself report to the police?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.55  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.54    4 years ago

and if you look carefully , i said the only one i felt anything for WAS the driver of the bus, it didnt matter to me if they were contracted or part of the campaign, if they were licd to drive that size vehicle with passengers , it was their lic on the line  , the rest is as i said what i see typically on any given day, while driving a big truck (80,000 #s +, usually overweight permitted to 116,000 #s on multiple trailers).

The 3 instances i have reported and resulted in fines or loss of lic  showed distinct and obvious harrasment / endangerment, no questions needed to be asked , the one that lost their lic , was because of the fact they allowed others to pass them all the while refusing to allow me to do the same safely ., meaning it was proven in court i was targeted by this driver for whatever reasons they deemed fit and reasonable to themselves only.

Wyoming is not a state that one would like to be in without the privilige to drive.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.1.56  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.55    4 years ago
and if you look carefully , i said the only one i felt anything for WAS the driver of the bus

Because it was just a job for him.  Except that it wasn't - it was a cause for which he volunteered.  What about the other occupants of the bus?  The occupants of the other cars accompanying the bus?

Yeah, the bus was targeted by these drivers.  It was purposely boxed in.  Same behavior, different target.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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1.1.57  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.1.56    4 years ago

and that is for the authorities to decide in the traffic courts.

 and as i said , what i saw in the video , i see every time i drive a semi, in congested traffic 

 
 
 
Krishna
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1.1.58  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.38    4 years ago
Does that make it okay for the Biden car to ram into the Trump supporter's truck?

Yes-- totally!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.59  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @1.1.58    4 years ago

Well, THAT is monumentally stupid.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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1.1.60  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.59    4 years ago
Well, THAT is monumentally stupid.

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MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
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1.1.61  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @1.1.51    4 years ago
other than the obvious political connection , what I viewed on the video, was what usually happens every single day in congested traffic  and the usual interactions between different sized vehicles.

Agreed. My grandfather was a semi driver [car-hauler] and told me all the things that I should never do around a semi while driving. I see people do all those things all the time. When I drove a 14 ft. box truck, delivering autobody replacement parts, I had a lady get in front of me from the "Michigan left" turn lane and slam on her brakes to get into the gas station... there was another gas station about 1/4 mile ahead and NO ONE behind me, but she HAD to do that in front of me. I'm just glad that I was able to stop in time. My ex husband stopped driving semi because a woman panic stopped in front of him on an on-ramp; witnesses stopped too. They told the police that came to the scene that she slammed on her brakes... he was in a fully-loaded gravel truck with airbrakes and manual trans. So, he didn't get into trouble, but it shook him enough to change careers immediately after that. For the record, I'm not making excuses for anyone's behavior. The behavior of those on the road that think that it's somehow funny to play games around a large vehicle [bus or semi] deserve to be arrested for reckless endangerment. I don't care if it's politically motivated or not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.62  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.60    4 years ago

Okay, I'll put you down in favor of Biden supporters ramming Trump supporters with their cars.

Good to finally see someone ACTUALLY admit it!

Thanks!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2  Tessylo  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    4 years ago

Yet time and again the 'left' are blamed of being horrific violent hateful lunatics when we see such examples/so many instances of intimidation coming from the 'right' so often.  

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.3  Kavika   replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    4 years ago

And it comes from the top. Top in this case is top of stupidity.

"Hey Laredo, Don Jr. here," he said. "I heard you had an awesome turnout for the Trump Train. It'd be great if you guys would all get together, head down to McAllen and give Kamala Harris a nice Trump Train welcome. Get out there, have some fun, enjoy it. Don't forget to vote and bring all of your friends. Let's show them how strong Texas still is as Trump country. Get out there, guys."

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.3.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Kavika @1.3    4 years ago

Totally disgusting. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    4 years ago
I never thought I'd see such violence during an election.

Then you haven't been paying attention.  Protesters have harassed and disrupted Trump rallies all along.  Protesters even harassed and disrupted Bernie Sanders campaign rallies.

People are fed up.  What did everyone expect would happen?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4    4 years ago

Nerm,

This is what causes those outbursts. What are you not getting? They start with these massive turnouts at events that normally the opponents never show up at, and then they get pushback and play the victim. 

You don't see Biden encouraging this, nor do you see Biden supporters at Trump rallies or escorting out Trump with a "Biden Train".

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4.2  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4    4 years ago

That's what protesters do - protest.

People are fed up - with brutal tactics like this from tRump supporters.  STAND BACK AND STAND BY

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.3  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4    4 years ago

Did they endanger people trying to get to those rallies (not to mention anybody else who happened to be on the road at the time)?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.1    4 years ago
This is what causes those outbursts. What are you not getting? They start with these massive turnouts at events that normally the opponents never show up at, and then they get pushback and play the victim. 

The news media has been applauding harassment and disruption of anything Trump for four years.  The news media has applauded and supported 'the resistance' for four years.

You don't see Biden encouraging this, nor do you see Biden supporters at Trump rallies or escorting out Trump with a "Biden Train".

I haven't seen Biden condemning harassment of Trump supporters or members of Trump's administration, either.

Joe Biden has been using the political language of grievance and outrage.  Biden has been encouraging hate for Trump and hate for Trump supporters.  Joe Biden has portrayed Trump and Trump supporters as the enemy.  That language of hate encourages violence, too.

People are fed up.  What did you expect would happen?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.5  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago

So the answer to protests is to endanger people's lives on an interstate?

Seems reasonable.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.4.6  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago

Yet somehow you have not condemned donald or his family for divisive rhetoric...

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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1.4.7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago
That language of hate encourages violence, too.

We know.  It's why Trump does it every 5 minutes.  He knows he can't win any other way.  Divide and conquer.  

Dump Trump 2020.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.8  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @1.4.6    4 years ago
Yet somehow you have not condemned donald or his family for divisive rhetoric...

Trump's rhetoric isn't any more divisive than that of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.  Joe Biden's rhetoric isn't less divisive than that of Trump, either.

Just because the news media and left-wing con artists ignore half the country doesn't mean their rhetoric hasn't been divisive.  What did you expect would happen?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago
The news media has been applauding harassment and disruption of anything Trump for four years.  The news media has applauded and supported 'the resistance' for four years.

Nerm, please prove that. I know the media doesn't like him for the most part, but they don't encourage this kind of behavior. And this kind of behavior is being encouraged from our POTUS and his underlings. 

I haven't seen Biden condemning harassment of Trump supporters or members of Trump's administration, either.

You mean after Trumpers show up in huge numbers to intimidate. Yeah, I just don't think there is anything for Biden to say. Bullies started it.

Joe Biden has been using the political language of grievance and outrage.  Biden has been encouraging hate for Trump and hate for Trump supporters.  Joe Biden has portrayed Trump and Trump supporters as the enemy.  That language of hate encourages violence, too.

You have got to be kidding. That kind of political language and worse has been the mainstay of everything Trump does. Do I need to post video?

People are fed up.  What did you expect would happen?

This is not fed up behavior. This is pure bullying and intimidation. It's never happened before in our modern history of elections. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.10  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.8    4 years ago
Trump's rhetoric isn't any more divisive than that of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.

When have either Schumer or Pelosi encouraged violence?  Trump offered to pay for the legal defense of anybody who beat up a protester at one of his rallies.

You're equating protesting by one side with the incitement of violence by the other, in your attempt to defend the indefensible.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.11  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.8    4 years ago
Trump's rhetoric isn't any more divisive than that of Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi.  Joe Biden's rhetoric isn't less divisive than that of Trump, either.

Sorry, but neither Chuck Schumer or Nancy Pelosi, talk about punching out protesters at a rally but Trump encourages it and I have the video to prove it. Try again.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.12  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.10    4 years ago
When have either Schumer or Pelosi encouraged violence?  Trump offered to pay for the legal defense of anybody who beat up a protester at one of his rallies. You're equating protesting by one side with the incitement of violence by the other, in your attempt to defend the indefensible.

Protesters have shut down interstate highways.  Protesters have surrounded and attacked vehicles on streets and highways.  Protesters have outnumbered police by more than 50 to 1.  

Schumer and Pelosi encourage violence by attacking those trying to control the violence at the protests.  Schumer and Pelosi have encouraged protests even though those protests have used the same tactics of intimidation reported in the seeded article.  

When is civil disobedience lawful protest and when is civil disobedience unlawful intimidation?  The incident in Texas hasn't been any different than what has happened elsewhere around the country.  

The same intimidation tactics have been used against Trump rallies (and even Bernie Sanders rallies).  The political biases of the news media and partisan preference determines whether that civil disobedience is lawful protest or unlawful intimidation.

What did you expect would happen?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.14  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.12    4 years ago
Schumer and Pelosi encourage violence by attacking those trying to control the violence at the protests.

Where?  Video - not your deliberate misinterpretation of their words.

When have cars surrounded and controlled the movements of a Trump entourage on a public road?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.15  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @1.4.13    4 years ago

One person is repeatedly defending this type of behavior.  Have you been reading his comments?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.17  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.9    4 years ago
This is not fed up behavior. This is pure bullying and intimidation. It's never happened before in our modern history of elections. 

This is the new normal.  No amount of condemnation will put the genie back in the bottle.

The protests (that began during the Obama administration) supposedly are justified because people are fed up.  What happened in Texas isn't any different than what has been happening around the country.  The Trump supporters in Texas were only following the example of peaceful protests that have taking place around the country for years.

When are the intimidation tactics of civil disobedience lawful protest and when are they unlawful intimidation?  What did you expect would happen?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4.18  Tessylo  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago

You take lawful/valid protesting against this 'president' as harassment and disruption.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4.19  Tessylo  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.4.7    4 years ago

The only way this 'president' can win is by lying, cheating, stealing . . . . only way possible for him to win . . .

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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1.4.21  Greg Jones  replied to  Ender @1.4.6    4 years ago
Yet somehow you have not condemned donald or his family for divisive rhetoric...

And you haven't condemned Biden and the democrats for all their hateful and divisive rhetoric

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.4.22  Tessylo  replied to  Suz @1.4.20    4 years ago

No, we do not encourage and approve of alleged 'bad behavior toward tRump supporters' (what about the bad behavior against non-tRump supporters?).  We encourage anyone involved in any alleged  'bad behavior toward tRump supporters' (or towards anyone for that matter) to be punished to the fullest extent of the law like any other person involved in any alleged criminal behavior

Why is everyone so shocked with intimidation?

Go figure!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.23  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @1.4.20    4 years ago
Oh, Perrie.  They most certainly do encourage and approve of bad behavior toward Trump supporters.

Again, Suz, prove it.  Give us a video where they tell Biden supporters to go out and intimidate Trump supporters, or engage in physical violence.

You can't.  Because they don't.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.24  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @1.4.21    4 years ago

What hateful and divisive rhetoric?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.4.25  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.8    4 years ago

Again, ignoring everything donald has said.

It seems to be willful and purposeful now...

 
 
 
Ender
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1.4.26  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.17    4 years ago

You are doing nothing but trying to dodge away from doanld and make this about something other than it is.

Deflection.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.4.27  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.24    4 years ago

They are making things up now. They cannot defend this behavior so they are trying to find behavior in others to point fingers at.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.28  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @1.4.27    4 years ago

And if they can't find that behavior, they don't mind just asserting that it has occurred, without any evidence of such.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.29  Nerm_L  replied to  Ender @1.4.26    4 years ago
You are doing nothing but trying to dodge away from doanld and make this about something other than it is. Deflection.

Donald Trump rally: Highway blocked by protesters

Donald Trump’s Rally in Chicago Canceled After Violent Scuffles

Trump protesters shut down Shea Boulevard in attempt to impact campaign rally

Hundreds of Protesters Descend Upon Trump Rally in California, Damaging Police Cars and Blocking Roads

Bernie Sanders event shut down by Black Lives Matter activists


Do I need to find more? 

What happened in Texas is the new normal.  Don't accuse me of deflection as a means of ignoring the new normal.  What did you expect?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.30  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.29    4 years ago

2016, huh?  During the primaries?  "Violent scuffles" were of course one-sided?

Got any examples of Schumer or Pelosi saying something like this?

Trump Says Police Violence Against Journalists Is ‘Actually A Beautiful Sight’

Any of them offering to pay legal fees for people who attack protesters?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.4.31  Split Personality  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago
Joe Biden has been using the political language of grievance and outrage.  Biden has been encouraging hate for Trump and hate for Trump supporters.  Joe Biden has portrayed Trump and Trump supporters as the enemy.  That language of hate encourages violence, too.

Good grief, I am pretty sure I am watching the same news in the same country

and if that statement is even partially true

I assure you that substituting the words Joe Biden with Donald Trump

and vice versa

would make your paragraph 100% true.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.4.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.29    4 years ago

Kudos for doing the work, but all of those incidents will be ignored and otherwise dismissed.

This incident in Texas, and this incident alone, is worthy of hysterics about the end of the Republic.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.34  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

She didn't call for violence.

Trump has.  Multiple times.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.35  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Suz @1.4.20    4 years ago
Oh, Perrie.  They most certainly do encourage and approve of bad behavior toward Trump supporters.  I've heard it from CNN and from celebrities and from Dem. politicians. 

Suz, I'm sorry, but I have never heard anyone from CNN say go out and attack someone. Go get in someone's face. If you can produce anything like that, please show me. 

And I for one was not shocked by the guns. I was shocked by hundreds of people menacing. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.36  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.34    4 years ago

There are a tons of videos out there to prove it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.37  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.17    4 years ago
This is the new normal.  No amount of condemnation will put the genie back in the bottle.

I'm sorry, we don't have to accept this as our new normal. Just like we didn't have to accept a whole lot of other things that changed over time.

The protests that started under Obama happened within a month of his being elected by "Tea Party" activists. It's amazing how you forgot that.

When are the intimidation tactics of civil disobedience lawful protest and when are they unlawful intimidation?  What did you expect would happen?

I want to break that down. First, we have lawfully applied for protests. Then we have peaceful protests that happen spontaneously and are allowed by our Constitution. When you have civil disobedience, they are no longer protected by our Constitution, and that includes intimidation.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.4.38  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.4    4 years ago
"People are fed up."

Yes they are.  You said it.  And hopefully the result of the election will show it. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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1.4.39  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to    4 years ago

Find me anything that shows Nancy or Chuck Schumer supporting the burning and looting of NYC. Anything.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.4.40  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.4.33    4 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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1.4.41  XXJefferson51  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.39    4 years ago

There is what the left did to Jews for Trump in NYC last week.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.4.42  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.4.41    4 years ago

Being Jewish doesn't necessarily mean being smart. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.44  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.12    4 years ago
hate for Trump and hate for Trump supporters. 

If Trump is re-elected I think it will be safe to say you haven't seen anything yet. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.45  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.4.37    4 years ago
I'm sorry, we don't have to accept this as our new normal. Just like we didn't have to accept a whole lot of other things that changed over time. The protests that started under Obama happened within a month of his being elected by "Tea Party" activists. It's amazing how you forgot that.

Rejecting that new normal would require acknowledging that protests have become a normal part of politics.  As you have pointed out, the Obama administration experienced political protests, too.  But there weren't millions of people protesting for months following Obama's election.  The largest protest during Obama's time in office was the Occupy Wall Street protest which was a political protest but not a partisan protest.

Amazingly there is a Wiki for protests against Trump that does not include any of the BLM protests:    Timeline of protests against Donald Trump

While Wikipedia can certainly allow biases, the material is sourced.  The number and frequency of political protests really does suggest that protest has become a normal part of politics.

I want to break that down. First, we have lawfully applied for protests. Then we have peaceful protests that happen spontaneously and are allowed by our Constitution. When you have civil disobedience, they are no longer protected by our Constitution, and that includes intimidation.

Then we have harassment of political figures in public spaces, we have protests around the residence of political figures, we have protests deliberately disrupting scheduled political events.  

These activities to harass and intimidate political figures have become so common that we don't even bat an eye when they happen.  That's a new normal.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.46  Nerm_L  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.4.38    4 years ago
Yes they are.  You said it.  And hopefully the result of the election will show it. 

Well, that's the problem.  People don't accept the results of an election.  Protests are being used to counteract the results of an election.  And that has become a new normal.

What did everyone think would happen?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.47  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.46    4 years ago
Well, that's the problem.  People don't accept the results of an election.  Protests are being used to counteract the results of an election.  And that has become a new normal. What did everyone think would happen?

Donald Trump is not fit to hold office. He is a known crook, pathological liar, cheat, etc etc.  KNOWN.   Why would you vote for such a person? 

Do you want to destroy our country ? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.48  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.44    4 years ago
If Trump is re-elected I think it will be safe to say you haven't seen anything yet. 

That would be an expected response under the new normal.

But if one side doesn't accept the results of an election then the other side doesn't have to, either.  What do you expect will happen with the election of Joe Biden?  In the current political climate does anyone actually believe we'll all join hands and sing songs?

Here's the deal, the political left will be protesting Joe Biden, too.  That's the new normal.  And the political right will be protesting Joe Biden simply because that is the new political normal.

After Joe Biden wins the election don't be surprised that we haven't seen anything yet.  What did everyone expect would happen?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.49  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.47    4 years ago
Donald Trump is not fit to hold office. He is a known crook, pathological liar, cheat, etc etc.  KNOWN.   Why would you vote for such a person?  Do you want to destroy our country ? 

I didn't vote for Trump.  But I would vote for Trump because he ain't Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden.

There are worse things than Donald Trump.  And Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are among those worse things.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.4.50  Bob Nelson  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @1.4.42    4 years ago
Being Jewish doesn't necessarily mean being smart. 

Oh!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.51  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.48    4 years ago
After Joe Biden wins the election don't be surprised that we haven't seen anything yet.  What did everyone expect would happen?

Joe Biden is not a KNOWN pathological liar, crook, cheat, bully, moron , and bigot. 

Go normalize that pitiful human being Trump to someone else Nerm, I am not interested. 

What other presidential candidate (for- re-election) besides Trump has been openly opposed by former members of his own cabinet, openly opposed by high ranking generals and admirals of the US military he was commander in chief of, and openly opposed by numerous organized groups  made up of people who had been part of his own political party ? 

NONE. 

Enough of this insanity.  Republicans and conservatives need to get behind someone else, immediately.  If Trump is re-elected this country will be ripped in two.  And people like you will be crying that "the left" refused to accept the results of the election.  Damn right. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.52  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.45    4 years ago
protests have become a normal part of politics

Protests have always been a normal part of politics.

Violence has not.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.53  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.48    4 years ago
But if one side doesn't accept the results of an election then the other side doesn't have to, either.

Only one candidate has threatened not to accept the results of an election, and has been actively trying to make it harder to vote in areas where he thinks the vote will go against him.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.4.54  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.51    4 years ago

Trumpists are too far out on their limb, John.

They can't get back. They are stuck there until they die.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.55  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.4.54    4 years ago

For me to accept Trump going forward he would have to get at least 50% of the vote in the election and apologize to the nation for his behavior in his first term, and close his twitter accounts. 

None of those ever could happen. If he somehow miraculously wins he is going to be opposed and resisted even more than the first term.  The country should be very worried. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.56  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.52    4 years ago
Protests have always been a normal part of politics. Violence has not.

If there had been no flags, it would have looked like normal freeway traffic and the story would not have been reported.  If there had been Biden flags the story would not have been reported and this seed would not exist. 

Exactly the same activity with events unfolding exactly the same way but there wouldn't have been hair-on-fire claims of violence.  In fact, we wouldn't have known anything about it.

The political purpose of protests is to obtain public attention through news reporting.  The politics of protest has now evolved to include partisan hair-on-fire claims to influence public opinion after the protest has obtained public attention.  Politically the protesters must escalate their activities in an effort to maintain control of the message and influence public opinion.  And the only way for protesters to escalate their activities is through violence.  That's become the new normal.

Violence associated with protests is the new normal.  And on our current trajectory, violence associated with protests can only increase.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.57  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.56    4 years ago
If there had been no flags, it would have looked like normal freeway traffic and the story would not have been reported.

Well, some of the drivers made the mistake of posting Youtube videos of themselves, so yes, it would have.  They broadcast their intentions.

If there had been Biden flags the story would not have been reported and this seed would not exist. 

Anything to support that statement other than your own biased speculation?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.58  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.49    4 years ago
There are worse things than Donald Trump.  And Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden are among those worse things.

Clinton and Biden are not OBVIOUSLY unfit to hold elected office, no matter how much you dislike them.  Trump is. 

Our country is in disgrace right now , for having elected him the first time. It will only get much worse if he is re-elected. Its hard to imagine why any sane person would want to put the country through four more years of what we have witnessed the last four.

There is something seriously wrong in this country. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.59  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.58    4 years ago
There is something seriously wrong in this country. 

Yes, there is.  But to address that would stray far afield from the seeded topic.  Unlike you, I can't stray because that would only provide an excuse.

People OBVIOUSLY can't accept cognitive dissonance.  I haven't been condoning the Trump train.  I've only been pointing out that what happened is symptomatic of the new normal in politics.  What did everyone expect would happen?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.60  JohnRussell  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.59    4 years ago

No, there was no predicate for nominating a piece of garbage like Donald Trump for the position of president of the United States. 

In 2011 Trump fabricated lies about the then sitting president related to his place of birth and his academic background. Lies that had already been debunked by the relevant state authorities. Why, four or five years later , was Trump allowed to be successful in his seeking the nomination? He was obviously unfit for office. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.61  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.59    4 years ago
I haven't been condoning the Trump train.

Not precisely.  But you've spent a lot of posts shifting the responsibility for their activity onto leftists.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
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1.4.62  Bob Nelson  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.60    4 years ago
Why?

Because many, many Americans needed to express their regret for having had a Black President. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.4.63  JohnRussell  replied to  Bob Nelson @1.4.62    4 years ago

Thats pretty much it. Some call it Fear Of A Black Planet

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.64  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1.4.60    4 years ago
In 2011 Trump fabricated lies about the then sitting president related to his place of birth and his academic background. Lies that had already been debunked by the relevant state authorities. Why, four or five years later , was Trump allowed to be successful in his seeking the nomination? He was obviously unfit for office. 

Trump won the nomination and election because people voted for him.

The overlooked point of the seeded article is that people still avidly support Trump.  That's the cognitive dissonance part of the story.  Those who avidly support Trump will use the new normal methods of protest to show their support as those who avidly oppose Trump.

Biden opponents will protest Biden the same way that Trump opponents have protested Trump.  That's the new normal.  And we ain't seen anything yet.  What did everyone expect would happen?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.65  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.61    4 years ago
Not precisely.  But you've spent a lot of posts shifting the responsibility for their activity onto leftists.

Haven't leftists created the new normal for protests?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.66  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.65    4 years ago

Have they?  Not that I can see.  You seem to ignore the right's role in any violence, pin it all on the left, and then, when a new incidence of violence occurs, continue that trend.  Lots of victim-blaming and selective sight/memory.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.4.67  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.66    4 years ago
Have they?  Not that I can see.  You seem to ignore the right's role in any violence, pin it all on the left, and then, when a new incidence of violence occurs, continue that trend.  Lots of victim-blaming and selective sight/memory.

Didn't these types of mass protests begin during the Obama administration?  Ferguson?  Baltimore?  Weren't there protests against Obama's policy of mass deportation?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.68  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.67    4 years ago

No.  In the US, these types of protests began in Boston Harbour.

We had protests during the Civil Rights movement, the woman's suffrage movement, the Vietnam War, the second war in Iraq, and the Obama administration, just to name a few.  Protests are nothing new.  Protest is a right enshrined in our First Amendment.

Presidents encouraging violent protest is, though.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.4.69  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.4.33    4 years ago

We would give this some consideration if only they had responded in like manner when their king roughed up and abused Trump supporters and other conservative gatherings in big cities and universities around the country when they gathered.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.4.70  XXJefferson51  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.65    4 years ago

Indeed. They’ve roughed up enough conservative gatherings in cities and on college campuses over recent years and have been largely silent when it comes from their direction toward us like in Beverly Hills yesterday for example and the Jews for Trump car parade in NYC.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.4.71  Nerm_L  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.4.70    4 years ago
Indeed. They’ve roughed up enough conservative gatherings in cities and on college campuses over recent years and have been largely silent when it comes from their direction toward us like in Beverly Hills yesterday for example and the Jews for Trump car parade in NYC.

As I said earlier, this has become so commonplace no one bats an eye.

Fights Erupt During ‘Jews for Trump’ Rally in Manhattan - New York Times

Note the Jews for Trump group was demonstrating support for Trump with a motor parade prior to a rally.  Those who attacked the group are described as anti-Trump protesters.  

Yes, protests have been a part of American politics all along.  But the people attacking the Jews for Trump group weren't protesting anything; they were attempting to disrupt and intimidate the Jews for Trump group with mob violence.  This type of mob violence has become the new normal for what constitutes a protest. 

The Trump train incident with the Biden bus isn't any different.  Condemning one while ignoring the other won't put the genie back into the bottle.  Neither side holds a trademark on mob violence and both sides engage in mob violence.  This is the new normal where mob violence becomes an acceptable form of protest.

What did everyone expect would happen?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.72  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.71    4 years ago

Did any Democratic leader praise the attackers?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
1.4.74  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago
I find it funny that leftist can protest wherever and whenever they want

According to whom?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.4.75  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.72    4 years ago
Did any Democratic leader praise the attackers?

I have no idea.  It seems the typical response from Democratic leaders would be to condemn the Jews for Trump group as a means of validating the mob violence by so called protesters.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.76  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.75    4 years ago
It seems the typical response from Democratic leaders would be to condemn the Jews for Trump group as a means of validating the mob violence by so called protesters.

Bullshit, Nerm.  No Democratic leader has condemned the Jews for Trump group.  Biden has expressly condemned violence.  Trump has expressly praised it.  You are substituting your own erroneous perceptions for facts.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
1.4.77  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4    4 years ago
Protesters even harassed and disrupted Bernie Sanders campaign rallies. People are fed up. 

With Bernie Sanders?

If they don't like the excessive power Bernie Sanders has over America-- they should impeach him and remove him from office!

Ditto Hillary!

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.4.78  Nerm_L  replied to  Krishna @1.4.77    4 years ago
With Bernie Sanders?

If they don't like the excessive power Bernie Sanders has over America-- they should impeach him and remove him from office!

Ditto Hillary!

BLM doesn't care.  You think the protests (and mob violence) will stop just because Joe Biden is elected?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.4.79  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.76    4 years ago
Bullshit, Nerm.  No Democratic leader has condemned the Jews for Trump group.  Biden has expressly condemned violence.  Trump has expressly praised it.  You are substituting your own erroneous perceptions for facts.

Well, of course not.  That's not how Democratic leadership does things.  The Democratic leaders will find a surrogate that condemns the Jews for Trump group and then kneel behind that surrogate in the rotunda of the Capitol.  Democratic leadership speaks through puppets. 

The only thing Joe Biden has done is make a speech condemning violence.  And then Biden turns around and claims Trump and his supporters are an existential threat to democracy around the world and encourages his supporters to fight for freedom.  Joe Biden has endorsed mob violence to protect freedom through revolutionary means.  So, Biden condemns violence and calls for violence at the same time.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.80  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.79    4 years ago
That's not how Democratic leadership does things.

You just said that they do, Nerm.  Make up your mind.

The rest of your post is a lot of twisting of Biden's words to mean what you want to believe they mean.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.4.81  Texan1211  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.78    4 years ago
BLM doesn't care.  You think the protests (and mob violence) will stop just because Joe Biden is elected?

Maybe the BLM protests will stop if Biden wins, because you know that they really aren't black if they didn't vote for Biden!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
1.4.83  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

Yeah, that's what a lot of folks say when Trump's words are reported verbatim, often by showing them on video.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.4.85  Nerm_L  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1.4.80    4 years ago
You just said that they do, Nerm.  Make up your mind. The rest of your post is a lot of twisting of Biden's words to mean what you want to believe they mean.

Did you read the article I cited in @1.4.71

Here's the only incident described in detail:

Top police officials have stressed the need for officers to remain neutral, despite their unions’ open embrace of Mr. Trump. But officials said an officer crossed the line late Saturday, when he used a police loudspeaker to voice support for the president while arguing with a man on the street in Flatbush, Brooklyn, who called him a “fascist.” “Trump 2020,” the officer responded. “Put it on YouTube. Put it on Facebook. Trump 2020.”

And that incident was followed with swift condemnation and punitive action against the police officer.  And that one incident has been used to fearmonger about the election.  So, support for the Jews for Trump group has been condemned by Democratic leaders and the mob violence validated.  The actual confrontation only served as a vehicle to condemn support for Trump.

The puppets have spoken.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.86  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

Everyone can see here right in this conversation who has been twisting g words and putting imaginary words in others' mouths.  It's not me.  To insist so in the face of evidence to the contrary is trolling.   Don't troll my article.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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1.4.87  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Nerm_L @1.4.85    4 years ago

Mustard with that pretzel, Nerm?  You are aware of the existence of the Hatch Act, yes?  We don't pay people in the executive branch to campaign for their favorite candidate on taxpayer time, with taxpayer equipment.  This officer's words were in support of Trump, not Jews for Trump, and were uttered the day before the Jews for Trump rally, in an entirely different place.  Attempting to conflate these two incidents or state that condemnation of an officer breaking federal law is the same as condemning Jews for Trump is dishonest.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @1    4 years ago

Talk about a non story...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
1.5.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.5    4 years ago

Really?  Video of the very story being discussed is now off topic and no value?  Just because it’s from an opposing perspective?  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
1.5.2  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.5    4 years ago
Talk about a non story...

All those who click on those Instagram links  and actually reads then when he posts them-- raise your hands!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
1.5.3  Gsquared  replied to  Krishna @1.5.2    4 years ago

That would be exactly no one.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
2  Trotsky's Spectre    4 years ago

MAGA

Microsoft

Apple

Google

Amazon

It may explain more than you think...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @2    4 years ago

What the huh?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @2    4 years ago

Please elaborate.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
2.2.1  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2    4 years ago

'Please elaborate...'

The point is, the sole constituency which the 'MAGA' faction represents is the gigantic, multi-national corporation. The rest of you are the peons whose existence is suffered only so long as you produce ever-increasing profit for M...A...G...A... etc...

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.2.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @2.2.1    4 years ago

Yeah, I think you're reaching here.  Trump isn't a fan of any of the corporations you've listed, and he complains about them in tweets aimed at his base.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
2.2.3  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.2.2    4 years ago

'I think you're reaching here...

Then there's him holding up that sheet of paper with the names of four US companies worth over a trillion dollars in order to emphasize how well the economy is doing [White House, Feb 11, 2020, AP photo, Manuel Balce Ceneta].

Here's to reaching!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
2.2.4  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @2.2.3    4 years ago

And?  He might not like them, but he's not above taking credit for their success.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
2.3  Krishna  replied to  Trotsky's Spectre @2    4 years ago

MAGA

Microsoft

Apple

Google

Amazon

It may explain more than you think...

How do you know what I think?

Are you Psychic?

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
2.3.1  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Krishna @2.3    4 years ago

Naa ... If you didn't check the link, I got it straight from the horse's mouth.

Take care!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    4 years ago
"These Trump supporters, many of whom were armed, surrounded the bus on the interstate and attempted to drive it off the road," he alleged. "They outnumbered police 50-1, and they ended up hitting a staffer's car."

Lock them up. Seriously. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
3.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  JohnRussell @3    4 years ago

Agreed.  This was assault, IMO.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
4  Ed-NavDoc    4 years ago

I am sad and ashamed that this type of thing happened in this country. I hope law enforcement was able to apprehend and charge those individuals.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Expert
4.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    4 years ago

Ed,

I am so glad you are you. Stay that way.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
4.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    4 years ago
I hope law enforcement was able to apprehend and charge those individuals.

I wish they could, but I imagine there were just too many, and that identifying them would be pretty difficult.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
4.4  Krishna  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    4 years ago
I hope law enforcement was able to apprehend and charge those individuals.

You might be assuming they want to...

???

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
4.4.1  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Krishna @4.4    4 years ago

'You might be assuming they want to...'

People will pay dearly for the refusal to take this point seriously. Thank you.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
5  Ender    4 years ago

Sick and sad people. It really is a cult.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
Professor Guide
6  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    4 years ago

I don't care who you are or which candidate you support, this is effed-up.  Don Jr. needs to be in a jail cell before the shank of the evening. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
7  Gsquared    4 years ago

Thuggery, creeping fascism.  

Don Jr. is encouraging and promoting it.  Lock that fascist up.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
7.1  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  Gsquared @7    4 years ago

As is Trump himself. This gangsterish 'very good people' [that we don't want to do anything 'before the election'] remark is a green light to every US fascist to be ready to implement his diktats. One recalls the statement attributed to Henry II, 'will NO ONE rid me of this pestilent priest!' Shortly thereafter Thomas Becket, Archbishop of Canterbury, was murdered.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
8  Kavika     4 years ago

The final step, we have now officially become a ''Banana Republic''.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

SO intimidation is bad, again?

It's dangerous to a free society and fascist, you say?

Great. Now get back to threatening and rioting over speakers you don't like on campuses, attacking businesses, burning them down  and boycotting those dissent from progressive dogma, harrasing diners in restaurants that resemble nothing so much as scenes from the cultural revolution, struggles sessions  attacking voters outside Trump rallies, and of course, driving recklessly and threatening caravans of trump voters.

Seriously.  The cognitive dissonance it takes to be a modern progressive  must be exhausting.   

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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10.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    4 years ago

Make sure to address the same comments to RW instigators that infiltrate leftists protests to start violence, mmmkay?  Or are you still denying their existence?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
10.1.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

We don't really know for sure.  But it sounds like more than a handful.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
10.1.4  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

I didnt see any counts.  From where did you get your numbers?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
10.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    4 years ago

Exactly! Thanks for putting your reality check here for the faux offended progressives to see.  

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.2.1  Krishna  replied to  XXJefferson51 @10.2    4 years ago
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Krishna
Professor Expert
10.3  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    4 years ago

It's dangerous to a free society and fascist, you say?

Great. Now get back to threatening and rioting over speakers you don't like on campuses,

No one here is threatening and rioting over speakers they don't like on campuses,

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
10.4  Krishna  replied to  Sean Treacy @10    4 years ago

harrasing diners in restaurants that resemble nothing so much as scenes from the cultural revolution

No one here is harassing diners in restaurants!

However, this I can tell you: you've got a wonderful imagination! I can tell you that!!!

Have you ever considered writing a novel?

Or even a series of short stories for children..?

With all the new-fangled technology they've got now-a-days, it would be a piece of cake!

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11  Tacos!    4 years ago

So much drama.

I guess it's good that people can be so enthusiastic about politics. That is a desirable thing. But it is a shame whenever people are attacked or property is destroyed. It shouldn't be like that, but there has always been a percentage of the population willing to take things too far.

In this case, we have a car that got messed up by a truck, but looking at this video of the event, it looks like that white car was trying to block the truck and maybe push the truck off the road, leading to some NASCAR-style fender banging. Looks to me like they brought that shit on themselves.

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Look at that pickup. He is already in the far right lane (no pun intended). Where exactly is he supposed to go when this white car comes over? In the video below, you can see that the white car is the one that initiates the contact early on. The truck has the mass to put a stop to it, though.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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11.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @11    4 years ago

At the very beginning of the video, the white car was directly behind the bus.  The truck forced the car one lane to the left as it "merged".  Look at about the 0:18 mark.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1    4 years ago
At the very beginning of the video, the white car was directly behind the bus.

Both of which were in the middle lane. The truck was already in the right lane, minding his own business. Then the white car starts driving into him. What is he supposed to do? Slam on the brakes? Drive into the grass? He stays where he is and he's the bad guy? Come on!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11.1.2  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.1    4 years ago

Ok, I stand corrected.  I missed the lane change by the bus.

Now, if you were in a group of trucks that was obviously intended to intimidate the group with which you were traveling, would you want to become separated from your group?

Also, the woman talking the video says that they're "trying to run them out of Texas".  Does it sound like she thought the "Trump Train" was behaving normally?  Sounds like she knew they were engaging in intimidation, but she thought it was funny, and objected to them fighting back.

Sounds kinda familiar, to be honest.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.2    4 years ago
a group of trucks that was obviously intended to intimidate the group

What does that even mean, though? Intimidate? To do what? People act like someone, anywhere in the country, is going to forego voting, run home, and hide in the closet because a bunch of people go driving around with Trump flags. It's really just overly dramatic.

Also, the woman taking the video says that they're "trying to run them out of Texas"

Again. Drama.

This is not an activity I think I would take part in, but it seems mostly harmless. They're just in their cars, driving, flying flags. When I see people walking on the street blocking other pedestrians, getting in their face, etc., that seems a lot more scary.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11.1.4  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    4 years ago

"Seems mostly harmless"?  Are interstate highways playgrounds?  No chance that this unwanted "escort" could cause any traffic issues that might endanger lives?

Interesting.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.4    4 years ago
"Seems mostly harmless"?  Are interstate highways playgrounds?

You see a logical connection between calling something "harmless" and saying the highway is a playground? Cuz I don't.

What are the trucks doing that the bus isn't doing? They are all going down the road together displaying their political affiliation on their vehicles. They just happen to disagree on who to support. It's a friendly rivalry until someone decides it's time to push someone else off the road.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11.1.6  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.5    4 years ago

They're engaging in schoolyard bully tactics on a busy highway.  No, it's not harmless, Tacos.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.7  CB  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.6    4 years ago

It's reckless. And,creating a reckless and erratic 'drifting' of traffic on a roadway is against the laws of all states.  :)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.8  CB  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.5    4 years ago

You're reaching. Do you approve of the tactic of surrounding on "all-sides" a political rival in an uncoordinated manner at a high-rate of speed? C'mon answer the question straightforwardly.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11.1.9  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    4 years ago
Also, the woman taking the video says that they're "trying to run them out of Texas"
Again. Drama.

Cherry-picking.

Everyone present on that road knew exactly what the "Trump Train's" intentions were.  They were quite clear about it.

Bullies don't like it when their victims fight back.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.8    4 years ago

I don't approve of surrounding another vehicle on all sides anymore than I do that white car in the video ramming into the Trump supporter's truck.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.11  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.10    4 years ago

Good. You don't approve of this behavior and nor do I.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.12  Tacos!  replied to  CB @11.1.8    4 years ago
C'mon answer the question straightforwardly.

What are you? Kamala Harris now? I won’t be bullied into approaching the topic in a way that satisfies some agenda of yours. 

Do you approve of the tactic of surrounding on "all-sides" a political rival in an uncoordinated manner at a high-rate of speed?

Look at how you ask the question. It’s disingenuous. You ask an abstract, general question, demand a yes or no answer, and then presume it will be appropriate to apply it to this specific situation. Sorry, but it’s not appropriate and I won’t play your game.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.11    4 years ago

oh, hadn't heard one word from you about the car ramming into the Trump truck, so I didn't know it mattered to you.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.14  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.13    4 years ago

See @11.1.11.  All the same my focus is on the bus and its 'containment' riding down the road. I saw nothing else in the video and I am not going searching for 'after-math' to add to discussion.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.14    4 years ago
See @11.1.11

I did, which is why I wrote what I did.

All the same my focus is on the bus and its 'containment' riding down the road. I saw nothing else in the video and I am not going searching for 'after-math' to add to discussion.

Uh, okay.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.16  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.15    4 years ago

jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif I do not approve of assault, freeway violence, 'boxing in,' illegal "car-chaining" on roadways, or ramming occupied or unoccupied vehicles. Still, this incident is not about distractions and aftermaths.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.16    4 years ago
I do not approve of assault, freeway violence, 'boxing in,' illegal "car-chaining" on roadways, or ramming occupied or unoccupied vehicles.

That's great!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.18  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.17    4 years ago

And this Biden bus is Biden business and not Trump business. Why can't some republicans just piss off! Why are some of you "engineering" drama for other people to act upon?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.18    4 years ago
And this Biden bus is Biden business and not Trump business.

It's an election, they are kind of intertwined.

Why can't some republicans just piss off!

Perhaps they have no interest in satisfying some whim of yours?

Why are some of you "engineering" drama for other people to act upon?

You'll have to ask some of them. 

What is "some of you"? Is that like "you people"?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.20  XXJefferson51  replied to  sandy-2021492 @11.1.4    4 years ago

Where is all the outrage when pro Trump people have been literally beaten up by opposition when they took their case to blue cities and or universities?  The outrage over this might mean something if those expressing it now had ever been at all consistent about this since 2015.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.1.21  CB  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.19    4 years ago

No, they are not intertwined in buses, cars, or freeways.  No way would that 'freakish thing' work properly. Not even in the twisted minds of some supporters is this election taking place on any roadway whatsoever!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.22  Texan1211  replied to  CB @11.1.21    4 years ago
No, they are not intertwined in buses, cars, or freeways.  No way would that 'freakish thing' work properly. Not even in the twisted minds of some supporters is this election taking place on any roadway whatsoever!

Okay.

I think they are. I also think most people can see some type of connection between rival politics. Obviously, that sure doesn't apply to all.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.24  Texan1211  replied to  Suz @11.1.23    4 years ago
Who is "some of you"? 

I don't believe that question is allowed, as mine was deleted.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.24    4 years ago

And now, magically my comment has been restored!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.26  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.5    4 years ago

Exactly and it was a Biden SUV that initiated the danger here.  Had that driver kept their cool it was simply harmless fun.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.27  XXJefferson51  replied to  CB @11.1.21    4 years ago

That’s odd because we’ve been having Trump boat and vehicle parades all over the country on navigable waterways and city/ interstates roads to substitute for many in person rallies. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11.1.28  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @11.1.24    4 years ago

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JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.29  JBB  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1.26    4 years ago

Do you call trying to run the next President of the United States off the road harmless fun?

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
11.1.30  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  XXJefferson51 @11.1.26    4 years ago
harmless fun.  

Defending intimidation as "fun".  Well, that's a new low.

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
11.1.31  Gazoo  replied to  JBB @11.1.29    4 years ago

Biden wasn’t on the bus. He was in a different state giving a rally that three people attended.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
11.1.32  JBB  replied to  Gazoo @11.1.31    4 years ago

When did Malicious Mischief and Reckless Endangerment become just clean fun?

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
11.1.33  Gazoo  replied to  JBB @11.1.32    4 years ago

Good question. I’d like to ask the idiot driving the white suv that. He was driving in two lanes. So was the idiot driving the bus.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
11.1.34  Krishna  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    4 years ago
run home, and hide in the closet

There you go again!

No one here is going to run home and hide in the closet!

(Well, at one point there was someone on NT who was in the closet-- but he came out long ago! :-)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
11.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @11.1.32    4 years ago

Probably at the same time Biden got on the bus in the video.

Oh, wait a minute...he wasn't ON the bus!

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
12  Gsquared    4 years ago

So, intimidation and thuggery by reactionaries is "awesome" and "fun"?

Now that you had awesone fun playing ambush the Biden campaign in your trucks, get back to training with your fascist militias preparing to start a civil war and overthrow the multi-racial, multi-cultural free society that you despise.

Seriously.  Being a Boogaloo Boy must be exhausting.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.2  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @12    4 years ago

And Proud Boys, don't forget Proud Boys. . . . 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
12.3  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @12    4 years ago

trying to intimidate or threaten someone with a 2 ton vehicle at highway speeds seems like a self defense issue to me. try this with a law enforcement vehicle and see what the charges would be. for me, a couple of slugs in the offending radiator would seem appropriate. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
13  Tacos!    4 years ago
These Trump supporters, many of whom were armed

How do they know anybody was armed?

And even if they were, is that supposed to be illegal or unusual? Especially in Texas?

This comes off as whining just to get sympathy for something that ultimately was a pretty minor event.

Whiner: "They drove around us on the freeway!"

Audience: "So?"

Whiner: " Buh buh but, they we armed! We think . . . we assume. OK we didn't actually see a weapon (unless the back window counts). But they were Texas Republicans. They have to have been armed."

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
14  Split Personality    4 years ago

Just came home from Corsicana TX and were delayed bigly by a Trump motorcade in Waxahatchie which was billed as a

Ranchers and Farmers for Trump Rally

Every conceivable piece of farm equipment the top speed of which was apparently only 25 mph,

socially distanced just enough to block the on ramps and prevent people from using the off ramps

Lots of gun racks and holsters in evidence

and let's just say "homogeneous" as far as the diversity of the drivers goes.

Most impressed by the farm equipment and the clever way the cars and pickups actually attached flag poles to their cars.

Saw one foreign car with a thick telescopic flagpole through the open sunroof.

People going southbound stopped to video with their phones and the apparent end of rally exit ramp

had dozens of people on the overpass watching and taking pictures.

I like my taxpayer funded interstates with 70 mph speed limits to be just that. 

Parades should be limited to the frontage and service roads where they can irritate each other.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
14.1  Texan1211  replied to  Split Personality @14    4 years ago
Parades should be limited to the frontage and service roads where they can irritate each other.

I'll agree with that, and throw in one more, too---protesters blocking highways or streets.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
14.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @14.1    4 years ago
protesters blocking highways or streets.

Highways for sure.

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
14.2  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @14    4 years ago

Told ya..😉 

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
14.2.1  Split Personality  replied to  GregTx @14.2    4 years ago

Ok, as for Corsicana proper, coming in the back way and traveling the residential side streets

Arlen Schwarzentruber  for city council   at least 30 homes with lawn signs

Trump 10

Biden 5

Biden being the surprise number.

But you were right, lol  jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
GregTx
Professor Guide
14.2.2  GregTx  replied to  Split Personality @14.2.1    4 years ago

Yeah, I have noticed it is similar to your observation, the lack of Trump signs, here in SA proper but once you get outside of town you start seeing them. My theory is that in town Trump voters are more worried about protecting their families and property than promoting their politics.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
15  seeder  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

Locking while I run some errands.  I'll reopen when I return.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16  seeder  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

Unlocked.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
16.1  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16    4 years ago

Knock three times on the ceiling if you want me...

No joke, earlier I read dialogue, typed in a comment...and no.....Wait, what is going on? Refresh and it is locked.  Haha

It is weird when it happens real time.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
16.1.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Ender @16.1    4 years ago

Sorry about that.  I was out of the house for a few hours, and this one seemed like it could go south quickly if there was no babysitter keeping an eye on it.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
16.1.2  Ender  replied to  sandy-2021492 @16.1.1    4 years ago

Not your fault. I just seemed to catch it right on the cusp.

True though, including myself.  Haha

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17  seeder  sandy-2021492    4 years ago

Locking again.  Night, y'all.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17    4 years ago

And open again.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
17.1.1  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17.1    4 years ago

Yes-- this whole Brouhaha is just yet another typical NT Kerfuffle-- an open and shut case as it were!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
18  devangelical    4 years ago

something like this happened to me last weekend while driving my mom to my sister's home. ended up behind some maga fucktards with about a dozen other cars on a 2 lane highway for 20 miles. there was 4 goober pickups flying their idiot flags driving 20mph below the speed limit holding back the cars behind them. whenever there was a break in oncoming traffic or a slower traffic passing lane appeared, they would speed up, preventing anyone from passing. my passenger witnessed several close calls and basic road rage from her seat and was a bit shaken. I hung back so I wouldn't get caught up in the stop/go bullshit that was happening in front of me, wishing that I was alone in the car.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
18.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  devangelical @18    4 years ago
whenever there was a break in oncoming traffic or a slower traffic passing lane appeared, they would speed up, preventing anyone from passing.

That's a dick move, right there.  It could get someone killed.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
18.2  Gsquared  replied to  devangelical @18    4 years ago

It sounds like a display of authoritarian domination.  Things are going to get worse, with Trump's encouragement.  

The FBI is investigating the incident.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
18.2.1  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Gsquared @18.2    4 years ago
The FBI is investigating the incident.

Good.

Sounds like Trump, as usual, is being an asshole and doing what some here falsely claim Dem leaders are doing - promoting violence.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
18.2.2  Gsquared  replied to  sandy-2021492 @18.2.1    4 years ago
Trump, as usual, is being an asshole

No further comment needed.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.2.3  Ender  replied to  Gsquared @18.2    4 years ago
The Texas Tribune reported that Texas GOP Chairman Allen West “dismissed questions regarding the incident,” telling them “It is more fake news and propaganda. Prepare to lose... stop bothering me.”

He is one of the major problems with politics today.

What a dick.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
18.2.4  Raven Wing  replied to  sandy-2021492 @18.2.1    4 years ago
Sounds like Trump, as usual, is being an asshole

From what I have read here in another article, it was Don Jr who sicced them on Biden's bus. And here is a video of him enlisting the Trump Trucks to "have some fun".

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
18.2.5  Krishna  replied to  sandy-2021492 @18.2.1    4 years ago
ounds like Trump, as usual, is being an asshole and doing what some here falsely claim Dem leaders are doing -

Yes, I've noticed that often Trump attacks others-- for the very things he is doing himself!

(And most of the people in his Cult haven't got a clue...)

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
18.3  Ender  replied to  devangelical @18    4 years ago

These asshole are going to cause an accident one of these times.

Sad that people have so little going on in their lives that they have nothing better to do than show their weird cult like devotion to a complete asshole.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
18.3.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @18.3    4 years ago

So isn't it weird that the only accident I have heard reported in this was caused by the Biden team running into a Trump supporter's truck?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
18.3.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Ender @18.3    4 years ago
have nothing better to do than show their weird cult like devotion to a complete asshole.

'Tis for the money honey. They are likely being supported by a Trump cult to go wherever they are needed to create civil unrest at pro-Biden events, and dangerous incidents such as trying to run Biden's bus off the road to prevent him from arriving at his scheduled rallies.

As the old saying goes..."What goes around comes around", but, perhaps not in the same way. Those arrogant truckers, who think what they did was so much 'fun', may either wind up in jail or prison, or perhaps due to their own ignorance.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
18.3.3  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @18.3.1    4 years ago
So isn't it weird that the only accident I have heard reported

Just because yiu are poorly informed about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
18.3.4  Krishna  replied to  Raven Wing @18.3.2    4 years ago
may either wind up in jail or prison, or perhaps due to their own ignorance.

Let's hope you're right!

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
18.3.5  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @18.3.3    4 years ago
Just because yiu are poorly informed about something doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

[deleted]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
18.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @18.3.3    4 years ago

love to see any and all evidence to support your dubious claim.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
19  Bob Nelson    4 years ago

This would seem to be a case where there are a lot of license plate numbers available to the police. I have seen nothing in the media indicating that the police are doing anything.

Has anyone seen any reports of the police doing their job, here?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
19.1  Gsquared  replied to  Bob Nelson @19    4 years ago

The Texas Tribune reports that the FBI is investigating.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
19.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Gsquared @19.1    4 years ago
Texas Tribune reports that the FBI is investigating

Thanks, Gsquared.


Biden camp cancels multiple Texas events after a "Trump Train" surrounded a campaign bus
The highway skirmish came as Democrats close ground in a state that is polling competitively in the race for president. Recent polls indicate the presidential race in Texas between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden is tight, with some national prognosticators calling it a “toss-up.”
BY KATE MCGEE, THE TEXAS TRIBUNE, JEREMY SCHWARTZ, THE TEXAS TRIBUNE AND PROPUBLICA AND ABBY LIVINGSTON, THE TEXAS TRIBUNE

original A Twitter user captured the moment a truck and a vehicle collided
as the Biden-Harris presidential bus tour was being followed
by a caravan of Trump supporters on Interstate 35, in Hays County, on Friday.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation is looking into a Friday incident in which a group of Trump supporters, driving trucks and waving Trump flags, surrounded and followed a Biden campaign bus as it drove up I-35 in Hays County, a law enforcement official confirmed to The Texas Tribune Saturday.

The confrontation, captured on video, featured at least one minor collision and led to Texas Democrats canceling three scheduled campaign events on Friday. The campaign officials cited “safety concerns” for the cancellations.

The highway skirmish came as Democrats close ground in a state that is polling like a potential battleground in the race for president. Recent polls indicate the presidential race in Texas between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden is tight, with some national prognosticators calling it   a “toss-up.”

“Rather than engage in productive conversation about the drastically different visions that Joe Biden and Donald Trump have for our country, Trump supporters in Texas [Friday] instead decided to put our staff, surrogates, supporters, and others in harm’s way,” said Tariq Thowfeek, Texas communications director for the Biden campaign.

On Saturday night, Trump tweeted a video of the Trump supporters following the Biden bus saying, “I LOVE TEXAS!”

When reached for comment, the Texas GOP Chairman Allen West dismissed questions regarding the incident. “It is more fake news and propaganda. Prepare to lose ... stop bothering me,” West said in a statement.

The bus tour was separate from vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris’ visit to the state Friday.

Texas Congressional candidate and former state senator Wendy Davis was on the Biden bus at the time, according to multiple sources, including U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett and Travis County Democratic Party Chair Katie Naranjo, and a now-deleted tweet from the Biden Operations Director for Texas, David Gins. A spokesperson for Davis declined to comment.

The tour, which started on Wednesday in Amarillo and went through East Texas, the Gulf Coast, along the Texas-Mexico border, and Central Texas faced protests of varying sizes along the way.

Friday’s campaign events started with a small gathering in Laredo that was met with few protesters. From there, staffers drove to San Antonio. Around 12:30 p.m. on Friday, a social media user using the hashtag #TrumpTrainTexas posted on Twitter, “Trolling is FUN.” The user called for other Trump supporters to “escort the Biden [bus] coming through San Antonio.”

original

Eric Cervini, a volunteer for the Biden campaign who grew up in Round Rock and flew in from Los Angeles, said he was driving on I-35 from San Antonio to the next event when he saw a long line of 40-50 vehicles along the side of the highway with Trump and American flags.

original

Cervini told the Tribune that when he arrived in San Marcos, he started to hear from people on the bus that the Trump supporters had started following them closely, honking their horns and shouting. According to the Biden campaign, multiple trucks pulled in front of the bus and appeared to try to slow it down. The campaign canceled the event in San Marcos and proceeded directly to Austin where another event was scheduled at the AFL-CIO in downtown Austin.

A person with knowledge of the events who spoke to the Tribune on the condition of anonymity said New Braunfels police responded to requests for assistance and provided an escort throughout their jurisdiction. During that time, the person said, the group of Trump supporters fell back behind the police.

In a statement, New Braunfels City Manager Robert Camareno said the police department received calls, “of the Trump Train following the Biden/Harris campaign bus ... NBPD responded and did not observe any traffic violations.”

Naomi Narvaiz, a Texas Republican Party official in San Marcos, said Trump supporters formed the convoy after learning of the bus’s movements up the interstate on Facebook from fellow supporters in San Antonio.

“We decided we would jump on 35 to show support for our president,” she said. “I didn’t see anyone being overly aggressive.”

On Twitter, Narvaiz wrote: “We sent the   @JoeBiden   @KamalaHarris   bus out of Hays! Your kind aren’t welcome here!”

“We don’t want any of the values or policies that the Democratic Party is embracing,” she told the Tribune on Saturday. “We don’t want any of those in Texas.”

original

U.S. Rep. Lloyd Doggett disagreed, accusing President Trump of inciting “aggressive, abusive conduct”.

“Those who fear their party is about to lose Texas resort to such desperate tactics. We have to stand up to these bullies just as we seek to protect the right of every last Texan to vote out the Bully-in-Chief,” Doggett said in a statement to the Tribune.

Naranjo, chair of the Travis County Democratic Party, said she was on the phone with a staffer on the bus who alerted her that they were being closely followed by a group of Trump supporters.

According to Naranjo, the staffer on the bus told her a truck collided with one of the staff member vehicles. Neither of the vehicles stopped. The collision was partially caught on video and posted on Twitter. The video does not show how the collision began.

original

As the bus continued to pass through multiple jurisdictions in Hays County, different police departments received reports about the caravan.

In a statement, the city of Kyle said police received a report that two or more vehicles may have made contact on Friday around 4 p.m. Officers responded to the area but no vehicles stopped to share information with law enforcement.

“From videos of the event that have now surfaced on social media, it appears that the vehicle contact actually occurred within San Marcos, Texas, prior to the campaign bus arriving in Kyle,” a statement from the Kyle Police Department read. “All involved parties are being referred to the San Marcos Police Department should they desire to file any type of report with law enforcement.

A San Marcos spokesperson said police received a call from the Biden campaign bus requesting a police escort but weren’t able to catch up to the bus before it exited the city due to traffic. The police have not spoken to either driver about the collision and said they weren’t able to determine who was at fault.

According to Hays County Sheriff Gary Cutler, the Biden campaign did not notify his office that it would be passing through the county to allow law enforcement to prepare for any possible confrontations. “The planning of this was questionable,” said Cutler, a Republican running for reelection on Tuesday.

Democratic officials say Trump supporters created a dangerous situation on Interstate 35 and continued following the bus into Austin.

Travis County Precinct 4 Constable George Morales was at the AFL-CIO parking lot at 11th and Lavaca streets for a planned press conference and said the group initially tried to step on the property, but law enforcement asked them to stay on the sidewalk. He said the group was aggressively shouting but did not get physical.

The press conference was canceled as well as a subsequent campaign event in Pflugerville with the Austin Young Dems due to safety concerns.

State Rep. Sheryl Cole, D-Austin, shared the cancellation on Twitter, calling it a “first for her.”

“Unfortunately, Pro-Trump Protestors have escalated well beyond safe limits. Sorry to all who looked forward to this fun event.”

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
19.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @19.1.1    4 years ago
“We decided we would jump on 35 to show support for our president,” she said. “I didn’t see anyone being overly aggressive.” On Twitter, Narvaiz wrote: “We sent the   @JoeBiden   @KamalaHarris   bus out of Hays! Your kind aren’t welcome here!”

That's not aggressive?

Where are the trumpys voicing their outrage at this display of overly aggressive behavior? Or do they save their outrage only for antifa and BLM?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
19.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @19.1.2    4 years ago

Do we maybe kinda sorta have a double standard? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
19.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Bob Nelson @19.1.3    4 years ago
Do we maybe kinda sorta have a double standard? 

that sounds like a little hippo crazy to moi'

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
19.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @19.1.4    4 years ago

Hey iggy! 

Where have you been? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
19.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Bob Nelson @19.1.5    4 years ago

out livin the Corona Dream. It rained where i'm at yesterday. I was livin the Corona Wet Dream. Still waitin to wake up, and this Knight Mayor to be ridden by a Stallion, (the same dark whorse force that Putin him inn our White Power House of shame, looking out the windows, for more panes, almost crazy, asz he's never out of, in sane,) ridden and written  'Right" out of town n country, music to all thinking peoples ears, except for those that accept ignorance ruling US, for four more years

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
19.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  igknorantzrulz @19.1.6    4 years ago

256

 
 
 
Gazoo
Junior Silent
19.2  Gazoo  replied to  Bob Nelson @19    4 years ago

“Has anyone seen any reports of the police doing their job, here?”

maybe they were ordered to stand down?

 
 
 
Dragon
Freshman Silent
20  Dragon    4 years ago

Can any Trump supporter explain to me why this was done? Why harass a campaign bus, why the need for several trucks/cars of Trump supporters to surround the bus? The ONLY explanation is intimidation/bullying, if a Trump supporter has another explanation please respond. 

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
20.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Dragon @20    4 years ago
Can any Trump supporter explain...

"Naomi Narvaiz, a Texas Republican Party official in San Marcos":

original

Seems pretty clear...

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
20.1.1  Ender  replied to  Bob Nelson @20.1    4 years ago

'You aren't welcome here'

Showing their true authoritarian colours.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
20.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @20.1.1    4 years ago

[deleted]

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
20.1.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Ender @20.1.1    4 years ago

Disagreement is not welcome. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.5  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @20.1.4    4 years ago

I'm curious, Suz, would you consider threatening or attempting to silence the press, and celebrating physical attacks on the press or jail time for political opponents to be authoritarian?

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
20.1.7  Krishna  replied to    4 years ago
Obama just targeted some reporters I don't remember him threatening them.

Well he was only able to shoot two-- the others got away! (his aim wasn't all that great).

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.8  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago
Who has done that?

Trump, of course.  He has suggested pulling FCC licenses (revealing his ignorance) because he didn't like the coverage he got.  He celebrated the fact that Ali Velshi was shot by police with rubber bullets for doing his job.  And I'm sure you haven't forgotten him threatening to put Hillary Clinton in jail during the 2016 campaign.

I guess whether some consider actions authoritarian depends on whether they agree with the attempted authoritarian in question.

BTW, terrible attempt at making this about Obama.  Weak sauce.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.10  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago

While conveniently forgetting the egregious examples of such behavior provided by Trump.

Yes, yes, we know.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.12  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to    4 years ago
Trump hasn't used the government to punish his political enemies

He threatened to do so, and also threatened to silence TV news networks.  He's just such a moron that he didn't realize that he lacks the power to do either.

Word to the wise, MUVA - lack of knowledge of the basic powers of one's job is not a good thing, especially in respect to POTUS.  The fact that he threatened to do those things reveals him as a wannabe authoritarian, and a really shitty one, at that.  Not really leader material.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
20.1.13  JBB  replied to    4 years ago

Did you missed all the times Trump bragged about the ways that he screws blue states?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
20.1.15  igknorantzrulz  replied to  sandy-2021492 @20.1.12    4 years ago
Not really leader material.

hell attempt to be a quart appointed litre before this mess is over, but he WILL BE EXITING

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.18  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @20.1.16    4 years ago

Then you are using an incorrect definition of the word "authoritarian".

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
20.1.19  seeder  sandy-2021492  replied to  Suz @20.1.17    4 years ago

I didn't.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
21  JBB    4 years ago

Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
21.1  Raven Wing  replied to  JBB @21    4 years ago
is now known merely as the gop?

More like the 'goop'. And there are many Republicans who are sick of the Trump Cult GOP, and working to help return the GOP back to what it actually stands for. They no longer want to be part of Trumps GOP.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
21.1.1  JBB  replied to  Raven Wing @21.1    4 years ago

Can you remember back when Republicans were still respectable?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
21.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  JBB @21.1.1    4 years ago
Can you remember back when Republicans were still respectable?

Yep, as I was a Republican most of my life, and I keenly remember what they party stood for and what they wanted for America, and it is totally different from what it is today. I left the Republican party after the way the Republicans reacted toward Obama and his wife both before and after he was elected as President.

It was so truly shameful then that I felt total shame to be associated with such disgusting, racist and ugliness that I was ashamed to say I was a Republican, so I left a party that was no longer the respectful party it had been, and had become a party loyalty first and to Hell with the people it was becoming even then. 

I am not a Democrat now either, as some of their tactics today are not much better either. So I look at things through a much clearer window as I have no real party loyalty. My loyalty, as it always has, lies with America first, not a bunch of  2 yr olds fighting against each other and not caring who, or how many, are being hurt, or killed, by their actions and dictates.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
21.1.3  JBB  replied to  Raven Wing @21.1.2    4 years ago

"I do not belong to an organized political party. I am a Democrat" - Will Rogers - Cherokee

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
21.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Raven Wing @21.1.2    4 years ago
Yep, as I was a Republican most of my life, and I keenly remember what they party stood for and what they wanted for America, and it is totally different from what it is today.

Well said. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Participates
21.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  JBB @21.1.3    4 years ago
"I do not belong to an organized political party. I am a Democrat" - Will Rogers - Cherokee

LOL!!! That is funny...and Will was indeed a funny man. In vote for the person that I feel is right for the job they are running for, regardless of what political party they are on. 

IMHO, far too many people vote by party only, regardless of how well the person in question is qualified for the position. It seems it is only about the needs of the party in the WH, Senate or House, not about the needs of the people they expect to vote for them. 

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
21.2  Krishna  replied to  JBB @21    4 years ago
Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

Yes, many people are saying its should really be called "The Goop!"

(And a lot of them are Republicans . . .)

One group of aware Republicans who have started to "fight the good fight" is The Lincoln Project:

Here's their new video "Priceless":

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
21.2.1  Krishna  replied to  Krishna @21.2    4 years ago

One group of aware Republicans who have started to "fight the good fight" is The Lincoln Project:

Here's their new video "Priceless":

More people need to become aware of how these enlightened Republicans think!

If you'd like to help, please seed more videos from The Lincoln Project-- you can find them HERE:

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
22  zuksam    4 years ago

I don't approve of this type of behavior, whether they meant to intimidate or not it was intimidation. It's hard enough to protect candidates from the crazies without giving them easy cover within unruly groups. That said I want everyone to remember those groups of leftist thugs who were confronting and intimidating republican officials on the streets, in restaurants, and at their homes. It was wrong then and it's wrong now and nearly every left leaning poster condemning this incident on this thread defended the the leftists when they were doing worse.

 
 
 
Krishna
Professor Expert
22.1  Krishna  replied to  zuksam @22    4 years ago
nearly every left leaning poster condemning this incident on this thread defended the the leftists when they were doing worse.

Exxaggerate much?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
22.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Krishna @22.1    4 years ago

but, but, but they did it first ...

typical bullshit.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
22.2  Bob Nelson  replied to  zuksam @22    4 years ago
That said...

BOTH SIDES DO IT

I distinctly remember when a mob of pick-up trucks, brandishing "BIDEN - HARRIS" flags, surrounded Trump's bus. 

Yup..... 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
22.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  zuksam @22    4 years ago

Just can't condemn your own without pointing fingers can ya? And you better fucking believe I did not defend the leftist violence so you might want to just back up there, Zuk!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
22.3.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  Trout Giggles @22.3    4 years ago

As it ultimately turned out there’s nothing to condemn Trump supporters for here.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
22.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @22.3.1    4 years ago

Hello! Who was harassing whom on that interstate? Do you think the person in the SUV would have hit that truck if that truck weren't there trying to cause trouble?

The trumpys have no one to blame for themselves for how badly this all went down

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
Masters Quiet
23  The Magic 8 Ball    4 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
23.1  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @23    4 years ago

So are you claiming you were part of the festivities?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
23.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @23    4 years ago

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
24  Hal A. Lujah    4 years ago

I’ve got a solution.

512

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
25  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

Now that the police believe the Biden driver was at fault and caused the accident, I'm sure all the outrage and hysteria will be flushed down the memory hole.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sean Treacy @25    4 years ago

is that what you saw through your Trumpp glasses ?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1    4 years ago
is that what you saw through your Trumpp glasses ?

No, but I bet he watched the video proving what he just stated!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1.2  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1.1    4 years ago
I bet he watched the video

what video, and irregardless, if the white SUV did initiate contact, i'm sure it had nothing to do with the Rhode Scholar Warriors swarming around the bus and vehicle, now did it../

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1.2    4 years ago

what video? 

keep up, man!

and the truck was behind the bus, doing nothing wrong.

if you trouble yourself to look at the video, you would have already known whose fault it was.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1.4  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1.3    4 years ago
already known whose fault it was.

yep, Trumps'

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1.4    4 years ago

such a profound statement.

lol.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1.6  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1.5    4 years ago
a profound statement.

Trump should be considered a profanity, as you are a pro fan of he

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1.6    4 years ago

claiming it is Trump's fault would be like me blaming Biden for the idiot driving that white suv.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1.7    4 years ago
the idiot driving that white suv.

OJ is probably a Trumpster

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
25.1.9  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @25.1.1    4 years ago

Didn’t local law enforcement state that the white Biden SUV was likely at fault for the collision between vehicles?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  XXJefferson51 @25.1.9    4 years ago

yes, but some folks here don't care about the truth.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
25.1.11  XXJefferson51  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1.6    4 years ago

I’m a proud fan of Trump and I was in a Trump vehicle parade here in Ca. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  igknorantzrulz @25.1.8    4 years ago

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igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
25.1.13  igknorantzrulz  replied to  XXJefferson51 @25.1.11    4 years ago

Congratulations..........i guess ?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
25.1.14  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @25.1.9    4 years ago

He was at fault but would it have happened if those trumpys hadn't been ganging up on that bus on a fucking interstate?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
25.1.16  Trout Giggles  replied to  gooseisgone @25.1.15    4 years ago

How would you like to be boxed in by a bunch of Biden supporters while you're driving a bus? And people tend to go really fast on interstates especially in Texas where the speed limit is at least 80 mph. It's really unsafe to drive that close to another vehicle while driving at a fairly high rate of speed, don't ya think? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  gooseisgone @25.1.15    4 years ago

Thing is--the BUS wasn't part of the accident, just the idiot driving the white SUV who rammed into a Trump supporter's truck.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Junior Participates
25.2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sean Treacy @25    4 years ago

I kinda want to see where you found that info. I'm not being facetious, I'm actually curious. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
25.2.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @25.2    4 years ago

The police department also said it has researched the crash and watched online video. It said the “at-fault vehicle” may be the Biden-Harris staffer’s car, while the “victim” appears to be one of the Trump vehicles.

“The at-fault vehicle may be the white SUV and the victim appears to be the black truck,” a statement from SMPD reads.

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Junior Participates
25.2.2  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Sean Treacy @25.2.1    4 years ago

Thank you!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
25.2.3  Bob Nelson  replied to  Sean Treacy @25.2.1    4 years ago
FBI investigating alleged incident involving Trump supporters, Biden campaign bus   Videos and photos posted on social media show a long line of vehicles flying Trump flags trailing the Biden-Harris bus as it traveled from San Antonio to Austin on I-35. In some images, the bus appears to be boxed in by the vehicles.
 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
25.2.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  gooseisgone @25.2.4    4 years ago

The behavior of the Trump truckers is worrisome. 

The behavior of TrumpTrueBelievers, here on NT, is even more worrisome. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
25.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Bob Nelson @25.2.5    4 years ago

This is gonna sound like "well, if you hadn't dressed that way...."

But....if the trumpys hadn't been assholes there wouldn't be a discussion, would it? Are they really that obtuse?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
25.2.7  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @25.2.6    4 years ago

Yes.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
25.2.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  gooseisgone @25.2.4    4 years ago

Do you really want to be in a large vehicle like a bus and have a car less than a car length in front of you and, a car tailgating you, and a car on either side of you keeping pace? I admit I'm not that good of a driver but I know that would make me very nervous.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
25.2.9  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @25.2.8    4 years ago

I can also understand the SUV not wanting to be separated from the bus...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
25.2.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @25.2.9    4 years ago

I saw a video someone shot who was behind and to the left of the bus maybe 3 cars back. He swerved the camera around to tape something else and when he swung back towards the bus, you could see that the SUV and black truck had collided. Here's the thing, tho, before the camera swung away the truck was in the far right hand lane next to the bus and the SUV was immediately behind the bus. When the camera swung back around, the truck was immediately behind the bus and the SUV was in the middle lane keeping pace with the truck. When did the truck decide it wanted to be in the lane directly behind the bus? And was the driver paying attention or was he about to instigate something?

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
25.2.11  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @25.2.10    4 years ago

I also find it hard to believe that we only have the limited video that is out there. All those people and even the people on the bus, there has to be a lot more video than we are seeing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @25.2.11    4 years ago

Look at the video in post 11.

It will reveal what really happened.

The white SUV came over into the Trump truck's lane and hit him.

Pretty clear to see.

You can CLEARLY see the truck was in the far right lane the whole time.

That's just the facts.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
Professor Guide
25.2.13  Bob Nelson  replied to  Trout Giggles @25.2.6    4 years ago
Are they really that obtuse?

Ummmmm..... 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
25.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @25.2.9    4 years ago
I can also understand the SUV not wanting to be separated from the bus...

Yes, but that isn't permission to ram into another vehicle to do so.

 
 

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