Transsexuality

  
By:  al Jizzerror  •  4 months ago  •  334 comments


Transsexuality
In 2015 ESPN's Arthur Ashe Courage Award went to Caitlyn Jenner

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Gender identity has become an interesting issue.  Some states have even attempted to pass laws aimed at restricting transsexuals from using public bathrooms.  Butt, fortunately, times are changing.  Transsexuals are being elected to office.


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Danica Roem of Virginia to be first openly transgender person elected, seated in a U.S. statehouse











Antonio Olivo
Reporter covering government, politics and demographics in Northern Virginia






November 8, 2017





Virginia's most socially conservative state lawmaker was ousted from office Tuesday by  Danica Roem , a Democrat who will be one of the nation's first openly transgender elected officials and who embodies much of what Del.  Robert G. Marshall fought against in Richmond.

The race focused on traffic and other local issues in suburban Prince William County but also exposed the nation's fault lines over gender identity. It pitted a 33-year-old former journalist who began her physical gender transition four years ago against a 13-term incumbent who called himself Virginia's "chief homophobe" and earlier this year introduced a " bathroom bill " that died in committee.

"Discrimination is a disqualifier," a jubilant Roem said Tuesday night as her margin of victory became clear. "This is about the people of the 13th District disregarding fear tactics, disregarding phobias . . . where we celebrate you because of who you are, not despite it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/danica-roem-will-be-vas-first-openly-transgender-elected-official-after-unseating-conservative-robert-g-marshall-in-house-race/2017/11/07/d534bdde-c0af-11e7-959c-fe2b598d8c00_story.html

Transsexuals are even being accepted into the Miss Universe pageant.


Miss Spain makes history as first transgender woman to compete in Miss Universe pageant


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Dec. 17, 2018 at 4:52 p.m. EST





Angela Ponce, better known as the reigning Miss Spain, didn’t win the Miss Universe pageant Sunday.



But she didn’t seem to mind.



Simply by representing her country this year, Ponce became the first transgender woman to compete in Miss Universe. After the preliminary rounds, the 27-year-old model said it was “an honor and pride” to be part of the history of the pageant.






Unfortunately, I have witnessed people here on NewsTalkers denigrating transsexuals.

Someone photoshopped a penis on an image of Michelle Obama.   It was supposed to be funny.    Butt, it was more than a joke, it was a very personal attack on Michelle Obama.    Several people (conservatives) who admire Mr. Photoshop immediately began praising his sense of humor and ridiculing Michelle Obama.    Those who “piled on” by referring to Michelle Obama as a “tranny” were being both dishonest and bigoted .   Butt, the bigotry I’m referring to is not about race, it’s about bigotry toward the LBGTQ community.

Other people (liberals) began ridiculing Mr. Photoshop and accusing him of being attracted to transsexuals.   They obviously intended their accusations to be insulting to the photoshopper, butt they were actually insulting transsexuals.   It seemed like more bigotry toward the LGBTQ community.  

I have a problem with people on both sides of that discussion.   There is nothing wrong with being transsexual.   Nor is there anything wrong with being attracted to transsexuals.   There is nothing wrong with being lesbian, bisexual, gay, transsexual or questioning (or “queer”).   People should be accepted as equal regardless of their gender identity.  

As many of you know, Cobalt and I founded ButtHeads Nation on NV.   We celebrated diversity and we had a transsexual Administrator (Veronikka).   She was a highly intelligent and very articulate participant.   Veronikka’s sense of humor was legendary.   She had a huge impact on my previously naive perception of transsexuals.  I wish she was here to provide her perspective to this important issue.

I hope NewsTalkers can accept transsexuals and people who are attracted to them.   They are definitely welcome here in the SiNNERS & ButtHeads group.


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al Jizzerror
1  author  al Jizzerror    4 months ago

Gender identity is an important issue.  It's not a joke.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1  Greg Jones  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    4 months ago

In my opinion, widely held by a large majority of the population, Bruce Jenner remains Bruce, until and unless he undergoes reassignment surgery.

I don't care what gender someone thinks or wishes they are. Gays, lesbians, and bi's are a wholly different matter, and I accept what they are, because it is rarely a choice. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
1.1.1  cobaltblue  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 months ago
In my opinion, widely held by a large majority of the population, Bruce Jenner remains Bruce, until and unless he undergoes reassignment surgery.

No one really cares what bigoted people think, thank goodness. A large majority of people once thought that if you floated instead of drowning after being tossed in a body of water, you were a witch and thus burned at the stake. They were just as wrong as those who give a rat's ass what other people do with their lives. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @1.1.1    4 months ago
No one really cares what bigoted people think, thank goodness.

I don't think Caitlyn Jenner is concerned about bigots who insist on calling her "Bruce".

I wonder if Caitlyn is still a Republican?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.1.3  Greg Jones  replied to  cobaltblue @1.1.1    4 months ago

You're entitled to have your opinion, wrong as it may be.

Jenner is simply a female impersonator, and not even a good one at that.

Back in the day we visited Finocchio's in SFO, and some of those "ladies" would put "Caitlyn" to shame.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.4  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @1.1.1    4 months ago
those who give a rat's ass what other people do with their lives.

They remind me of religious bigots who want to control what goes on in everyone's bedroom.

Many of them are focused on Caitlyn Jenner.  She has become the "poster woman" for transsexuality.

I think many of those who hate Caitlyn secretly question their own sexuality.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.5  Gordy327  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    4 months ago
You're entitled to have your opinion, wrong as it may be.

As are you. 

If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

Either that, or just plain ignorant. Although, the two tend to go hand in hand.

 
 
 
Gordy327
1.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.4    4 months ago
They remind me of religious bigots who want to control what goes on in everyone's bedroom.

Or what people think. 

I think many of those who hate Caitlyn secretly question their own sexuality.

Kind of like those who hate gay people.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.7  Jack_TX  replied to  cobaltblue @1.1.1    4 months ago
No one really cares what bigoted people think, thank goodness.

Clearly they do.

Otherwise they would leave people alone.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.8  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.2    4 months ago

Quick answer: I read Caitlyn is still republican, but has "revoked" support for Trump because of his policies on transsexualism.

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.9  Split Personality  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    4 months ago
You're entitled to have your opinion, wrong as it may be.

Right back at you Greg.

Jenner is simply a female impersonator, and not even a good one at that.

Female impersonators are generally performers who do an act on a stage for compensation.

Jenner was a very public male sports figure, who since April of 2015 exposes herself, publicly, daily and hourly

to the ridicule of people like ...

and yet feels strongly enough about her feelings to persist. She's trans, get over it.

She's also 70 effing years old, what do you expect her to look like, Ru Paul?

Get over it.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.10  CB   replied to  Greg Jones @1.1.3    4 months ago

Well, let me test that theory:

Finocchio's Night Club San Francisco circa 1978-83

Finocchios

Well, you can tell two things from the above:

  1. Youtube is 'the fhit.' Sometimes I think all I have to do is think it and I can find it - "the story of my life" on Youtube.
  2. Drag queens are not transsexuals. What matters is: Context. Context. Context. (Listen to the comedian in the second video for it.)
 
 
 
Jack_TX
1.1.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.9    4 months ago
She's also 70 effing years old

He is not a "she".  He is a man with gender dysphoria.

A huge part of this resistance to the "transgender movement" is the batshit demand that we all pretend reality isn't really a thing simply because somebody feels a certain way.

Correctly stated, Jenner is a man who wants to become a woman.  OK fine.  We have a process for that.  He is within his rights as an American to undergo that process.  It's nobody else's business, and the vast majority of people don't give a damn.  

But pretending he's a woman....and demanding everybody else go along with this delusion...just pisses people off for no reason.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.1.12  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.2    4 months ago
I wonder if Caitlyn is still a Republican?

She is indeedy.

 
 
 
CB
1.1.13  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.11    4 months ago

You do not have to pretend. Heavens, you do not even have to engage. In situations like this, whatever becomes of rendering, "No comment"?

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.14  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.11    4 months ago

Surgically speaking "he" would be well beyond the safety margins in place for surgical reassignment to become "she" in the minds of many.

just pisses people off for no reason.

as you said earlier, it's nobody else's business...

 
 
 
cobaltblue
1.1.15  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.4    4 months ago
I think many of those who hate Caitlyn secretly question their own sexuality.

Righter than right. Why would anyone even care? Does it affect their taxes? Does it empty store shelves? How does anyone's sexuality even have a modicum effect on anyone else's life? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.1.16  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @1.1.11    4 months ago

I have to correct my prior statement.

Jenner transitioned in 2017 at the age of 68 becoming reportedly the oldest person known to do so.

So I take it that that means we no longer have to pretend she's a woman

or worry about which bathroom she gets to use.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.17  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.16    4 months ago
Jenner transitioned in 2017 at the age of 68 becoming reportedly the oldest person known to do so.

Thanx for the clarification.

Odds are that some people will still insist on calling her "Bruce".

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.1.18  SteevieGee  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.1.12    4 months ago

I wonder what it's like being in a party that doesn't even want to allow you to go to the bathroom?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
1.1.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @1.1    4 months ago
I don't care what gender someone thinks or wishes they are. Gays, lesbians, and bi's are a wholly different matter, and I accept what they are, because it is rarely a choice. If that makes me a bigot, so be it.

I agree.  I don't care what people "identify" as or what their sexual preference is.  I don't treat people based on what they "identify" as.  I treat them according to how they ACT.  Act like a childish ass, I'll treat them as a childish ass. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
1.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.18    4 months ago

probably much the same as being in a party that has to lie and misrepresent the other side's positions.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.21  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  SteevieGee @1.1.18    4 months ago

The Republicans in my state wanted you to have your birth certificate with you to prove which bathroom you can use.  Thousands of "potty police" would have to be hired (and potty trained) to enforce the ridiculous law (HB-2).

The Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act , commonly known as House Bill 2 or HB2 , is a North Carolina statute passed in March 2016 and signed into law by Governor Pat McCrory . The bill amended state law to preempt any anti-discrimination ordinances passed by local communities, and compelled schools and public facilities containing single-gender washrooms to only allow people of the corresponding birth-certificate sex to use them.

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HB2 was met with widespread protests: state, county and city governments across the United States forbade their employees from non-essential travel to North Carolina ; numerous corporations and firms curbed plans to hold events and create jobs in the state, and many performers canceled performances in North Carolina to boycott the state; North Carolina's economy lost over $400 million in investments and jobs. The bill was also criticized by several religious organizations, and President Barack Obama denounced it and called for its repeal. McCrory ultimately lost his bid for re-election in 2016 to Democratic Attorney General Roy Cooper , a vocal critic of the law, and the portion of the law regarding bathroom use was repealed on March 30, 2017.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Facilities_Privacy_%26_Security_Act

 
 
 
Ender
1.1.22  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.21    4 months ago

I would be more worried about the kind of people that would want that job.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.23  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @1.1.22    4 months ago
the kind of people that would want that job.

Yeah it's a shitty job.

Who carries their birth certificate around?

The HB-2 law was stupid Republican shit.

If a potty cop wouldn't let me use the restroom, I'd pee on him.  If I got arrested I'd try to poop in the squad car. 

 
 
 
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CB
1.1.25  CB   replied to  sixpick @1.1.24    4 months ago

Caitlyn Jenner Said She No Longer Supports Trump After The Latest Proposal To Roll Back Trans Rights

"I do not support Trump. I must learn from my mistakes and move forward."

Posted on October 25, 2018, at 4:32 p.m. ET

Source : https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/caitlyn-jenner-no-longer-supports-trump


Donald has always had a 'thing' for LGB. However, it is the "T" that he is cutting out from the acronyms. See military life, etceteras.

So what you got to say about that?

 
 
 
CB
2  CB     4 months ago
There is nothing wrong with being transsexual. Nor is there anything wrong with being attracted to transsexuals. There is nothing wrong with being lesbian, bisexual, gay, transsexual or questioning (or “queer”). People should be accepted as equal regardless of their gender identity.

Let me go on record as agreeing with this sentiment. People can choose their own direction in life as long as it respects peace and legality. In addition, a degree of humility can go a long way —Even as one is firm with others. I am proud to learn of Miss Spain's reign and competitive spirit which allows her to best other contestants.

I will be outspoken enough to say that I am yet coming into alignment with with some attitudes in the transsexual community. Admittedly, my understanding is "aging out" since I have not associated with this community in a generation. There does appear to be some high profile people out and about making positive waves and equally big medical events occurring in this discipline and lifestyle.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @2    4 months ago
I will be outspoken enough to say that I am yet coming into alignment with with some attitudes in the transsexual community.

I applaud your open minded approach.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.1  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @2.1    4 months ago

Al Jizzerror, I am grateful for your understanding. (Smile.)

 
 
 
Ender
3  Ender    4 months ago

I liked Veronikka. Wish she would come around.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @3    4 months ago
I liked Veronikka.

Veronikka is an amazing person.

She would be a welcome addition to NewsTalkers.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.1.1  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.1    4 months ago
She would be a welcome addition to NewsTalkers.

Veronikka's quick wit and well-developed sense of humor is what I miss. Fargo and skydog have both made me laugh til' I almost puked (literally! I had to pull my trash can close from laughing so hard), and you, Veronikka, Biz and Giggles have made me almost piss myself. What a great group of minds ... that's what I miss. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.1.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @3.1.1    4 months ago
Veronikka's quick wit and well-developed sense of humor is what I miss.

She also has great taste in music.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @3    4 months ago

She's hanging out on Twitter presently.  Someone should ask her.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Split Personality @3.2    4 months ago
She's hanging out on Twitter presently.  Someone should ask her.

I was kicked off of Twitter.  I trolled The Donald there until they accused me of being a "bot".  I was told I had to give Google all of my personal information to restart my twitter account.  I guess Twitter makes money by selling information to Google.

Fuck that!

 
 
 
Ronin2
4  Ronin2    4 months ago
Some states have even attempted to pass laws aimed at restricting transsexuals from using public bathrooms.

Really, care to back that up? They can use the public bathrooms of their biological genders until they get gender reassignment surgery. Unless you can show a law that denies them that.

As for the rest. Agreed, sexual orientation is not a big deal. To each their own. So long as no one is trying to force their sexual orientation on anyone else let them be.

  

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago
So long as no one is trying to force their sexual orientation on anyone else let them be.

That is my problem with it. There is a massive push by Disney to force acceptance on people who mostly just don't care to hear about it. It's one thing if that is what YOU are, but when you make TV shows, movies, commercials, speeches, holidays, parades yada yada yada, I start to have a problem with it. It exists, yes. No need to try to influence children towards as Disney often does. If a child turns out to be gay or trans it should be because they came to that conclusion through life experience. Not because they saw it on TV, or their teacher tried to convince them of it or some celebrity says it's great or any of this nonsense that goes on in progressive society today. It exists, no need to celebrate it any more than heteros celebrate their sexuality.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.1  sandy-2021492  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago

You should call the cops if somebody is restraining you or your children, propping up your eyelids with toothpicks, and forcing you to watch Disney movies.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.2  jungkonservativ111  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.1    4 months ago

It's not just movies. Disney owns just about every channel that you watch on TV in the US. Sports, news, shows, everything. That's why they are able to keep the same message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations by making them think this is how everybody thinks everywhere.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.3  sandy-2021492  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.2    4 months ago

Are you being restrained and forced to watch?

I'm willing to bet you're not.

Nothing is being forced on you.  You're CHOOSING to watch, then claiming victim status.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.4  cobaltblue  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
There is a massive push by Disney

Ever notice that Disney is always killing mommas? Bambi. Dumbo. Jungle Book. Fox and the Hound. Little Mermaid. Did they make you want to kill your sainted momma? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.2    4 months ago
message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations

Holy shit. Are you kidding, or do you mean that? 

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.2    4 months ago
Disney owns just about every channel that you watch on TV in the US. Sports, news, shows, everything. That's why they are able to keep the same message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations by making them think this is how everybody thinks everywhere

I'm not sure which concept is more humorous, that you think Disney owns everything or that we are all being brainwashed.

https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/companies-disney-owns-worldwide/

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cobaltblue
4.1.7  cobaltblue  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.1    4 months ago
You should call the cops if somebody is restraining you or your children, propping up your eyelids with toothpicks, and forcing you to watch Disney movies.

Omigawwwwwd! Hilarious!!!

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.8  jungkonservativ111  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.3    4 months ago

I'm not choosing to watch anything. I'm woke to these type of brainwashing tactics so even when I do, I can easily point out the liberal agenda to anyone who cares to hear it. Problem is many people just go to watch a movie or a TV show and end up getting some SJW message pushed on them or trying to get them to accept a lifestyle they don't care about. I personally refuse to watch anything coming out of Hollywood not just because they are so loony, but because they just simply cannot produce a good movie or show these days.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.8    4 months ago

So, nobody is being forced. then? 

Just as I thought.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.10  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.6    4 months ago

Yea did you look at the list in your link? It doesn't do your point justice. The list of companies they owned was larger than the ones they do not own.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.11  MUVA  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.6    4 months ago

When my daughter was young we watched little mermaid so many times  I thought I was a Jamaica crustacean.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.12  cobaltblue  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.8    4 months ago
I'm woke to these type of brainwashing tactics

Kinda like the shit sometimes spoken from behind pulpits. Is masturbation still a sin? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.13  cobaltblue  replied to  MUVA @4.1.11    4 months ago
When my daughter was young we watched little mermaid so many times  I thought I was a Jamaica crustacean.

That is funny and cute! 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.14  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.2    4 months ago
they are able to keep the same message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations

I guess I should start watching Disney.

I have a filthy mind so I need that free brainwashing service.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.16  Gordy327  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
That is my problem with it. There is a massive push by Disney to force acceptance on people who mostly just don't care to hear about it.

How is anyone being forced to accept anything exactly?

It's one thing if that is what YOU are

What difference does that make? I'm straight, but it doesn't bother me in the least, nor do I care if sexual orientation or gender ID is displayed.

but when you make TV shows, movies, commercials, speeches, holidays, parades yada yada yada, I start to have a problem with it. 

Then don't watch. Change the channel or turn the TV off.

No need to try to influence children towards as Disney often does. If a child turns out to be gay or trans it should be because they came to that conclusion through life experience. 

Sexual orientation is not something one chooses.

It exists, no need to celebrate it any more than heteros celebrate their sexuality.

It's not being celebrated. It just becoming part of the cultural norm, much like how interracial couples were.

That's why they are able to keep the same message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations by making them think this is how everybody thinks everywhere.

If everyone thought that, there wouldn't be any problems. Of course, some people remain prejudiced about it for no good reason. It seems like bigots and homophobes are already brainwashed into hating others.

I'm woke to these type of brainwashing tactics so even when I do, I can easily point out the liberal agenda to anyone who cares to hear it. 

Now you make it sound like a conspiracy.

Problem is many people just go to watch a movie or a TV show and end up getting some SJW message pushed on them or trying to get them to accept a lifestyle they don't care about.

Or maybe people just want to watch a movie or show and don't care about some "agenda" in the program. They simply watch for entertainment.

I personally refuse to watch anything coming out of Hollywood not just because they are so loony, but because they just simply cannot produce a good movie or show these days.

Sounds like no one is "forcing" you to do anything.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.17  Gordy327  replied to  cobaltblue @4.1.12    4 months ago
Kinda like the shit sometimes spoken from behind pulpits.

Only Sometimes? 

Is masturbation still a sin? 

I'm there are those who still believe that.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.18  katrix  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.8    4 months ago
I can easily point out the liberal agenda to anyone who cares to hear it.

Wow, so inclusion and common decency are just liberal qualities? Good to know.

trying to get them to accept a lifestyle they don't care about. 

If you didn't care about it, you wouldn't be whining about it in here. And why shouldn't people accept it, especially when accepting it doesn't impact them in any way?

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.19  Gordy327  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.1    4 months ago
You should call the cops if somebody is restraining you or your children, propping up your eyelids with toothpicks, and forcing you to watch Disney movies.

Forget "A Clockwork Orange." We now have "A Clockwork Disney," Lol

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.20  katrix  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
If a child turns out to be gay or trans it should be because they came to that conclusion through life experience. Not because they saw it on TV, or their teacher tried to convince them of it or some celebrity says it's great or any of this nonsense that goes on in progressive society today

You can't be so ignorant as to think that kids "become" gay or transgender because they saw it on TV, or because they were encouraged to be accepting of others.

Your idea of nonsense is what moral, ethical people consider common decency. Oh, and you might want to educate yourself - you've apparently been brainwashed by your right wing media that gay is contagious.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.21  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.16    4 months ago
If everyone thought that, there wouldn't be any problems. Of course, some people remain prejudiced about it for no good reason. It seems like bigots and homophobes are already brainwashed into hating others.

Much of the bigoted brainwashing is taking place in churches.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.22  Gordy327  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.21    4 months ago
Much of the bigoted brainwashing is taking place in churches.

Much, if not all. And  then it just gets carried home and spreads, like a plague. To be fair, I cannot include all churches/religions in that sentiment.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.23  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.1    4 months ago
You should call the cops if somebody is restraining you or your children, propping up your eyelids with toothpicks, and forcing you to watch Disney movies.

With some, they feel the need to censor others so they can create safe spaces for their personal opinions. They often see anyone who they have condemned being treated as a normal member of society as an attack on their own faith. They can't abide someone rejecting their faith and supposed "values" publicly with no immediate derision and ridicule heaped on those who don't share their opinions. They also believe its their right to remove what they see as "temptation" away from themselves and their children, thus they attempt to force their opinions on everyone around them. They need their faith to be validated or they feel they are under direct attack. Many simply cannot practice their faith at home and in their churches, keeping it out of the public space and secular society, because they imagine they have a right to "practice" their faith any way they choose, and if they choose to inject it into every cavity of American society, then they believe that is their right regardless of what the constitution says. In fact many religious conservatives believe their faith supersedes the constitution so when in conflict, they ignore the constitution and our nations laws.

The facts are, no one is forced to be gay or transsexual or transgender, no one is forced to get gay married. No one is forced to watch movies or TV shows that present the things they fear in a non-threatening manner in an effort to support inclusion and diversity. No one is forcing any religious conservative to invite their gay neighbors over for dinner. All secular society has suggested is that ALL Americans treat each other the way they want to be treated. All anyone is asking of religious conservatives is to treat everyone in secular society the same regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. Is that such a difficult ask? I treat all Christians the same as I treat any other customer coming to buy an insurance product or looking for insurance advice, whether gay, straight, Muslim, plumber, roofer, taxi driver, transgender, evangelical, etc. If for some reason I felt I couldn't treat all of my clients the same, I would quit and start working in a profession where I didn't have to discriminate against tax paying, law abiding customers simply because I'd made some unreasonable promise to an invisible wizard that I wouldn't interact with what the invisible wizard told me was "unclean".

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @4.1.20    4 months ago

Kids are so "Impressionable" !

That's why they're called "Kids" !

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.10    4 months ago
Disney owns just about every channel that you watch on TV in the US. Sports, news, shows, everything. That's why they are able to keep the same message across all channels and effectively brainwash populations by making them think this is how everybody thinks everywhere

Yes I read the whole article? Did you?

It proves they don't own "just about every channel". 

Perhaps you can explain to me how watching Sports on TV is a liberal "brainwashing" conspiracy?

I suggest lining your attic space with radiant barrier insulation to keep out the liberal radiations

or buying Disney stocks asap.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.26  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
If a child turns out to be gay or trans it should be because they came to that conclusion through life experience. Not because they saw it on TV, or their teacher tried to convince them of it or some celebrity says it's great or any of this nonsense that goes on in progressive society today. It exists, no need to celebrate it any more than heteros celebrate their sexuality.

Hi Jungkonservative111! Well, that is just it. Society is attempting to portray positive images of what has long been dismissed, ignored, distrusted, disliked, maligned, "bashed," and "cut off" from  regular society and culture. All children who are acting acceptable in our society should see themselves in popular culture thriving. Television has been formative media (as has so many other vehicles of communication) in all our development and shaping of ideas about each other. These mediums, these 'stars,' these folks who push up out of our 'silos' change us. That's a positive.

Heterosexuality is so properly inculcated into the history of the world (as well it should be) that people don't even see all the subtleties involved in its myriad of public activities. From hand holding, to night life, to opening doors, to expressions of "gentle man," and "gentle lady," to gender-recognized holidays. We celebrate the sexes, because it is needful to help remind us all to "put forward" one another. All such future changes based on sexuality and inclusion in our culture, traditions, and customs will surely cause a mild shock to the nervous system of society, but we can manage it for it is a just course of action.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.27  jungkonservativ111  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.24    4 months ago

Exactly, they act like it doesn't affect kids, but just yesterday, everyone was getting all worked up about a picture of a Nazi on a twitter page. The most common complaint I heard, was they were worried about how good he looked and how kids might look at it and think it looks cool or something. What celebrities say, and what kids see on TV, DOES impact their behavior.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.28  Gordy327  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.24    4 months ago
Kids are so "Impressionable"  That's why they're called "Kids" !

Are you suggesting kids will "learn" to have a different sexual orientation/gender ID just because they see it?

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.29  jungkonservativ111  replied to  katrix @4.1.20    4 months ago

It's not that easy. People choose between gay and straight partners all the time.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160627-i-am-gay-but-i-wasnt-born-this-way

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.30  Gordy327  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.27    4 months ago
Exactly, they act like it doesn't affect kids,

How does sex/gender orientation affects kids or anyone else exactly? 

but just yesterday, everyone was getting all worked up about a picture of a Nazi on a twitter page. 

Are Nazi's something to be celebrated or admired?

People choose between gay and straight partners all the time.

Choosing a partner is not the same as choosing a sexual orientation.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.31  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.2    4 months ago

"Brainwash"?! Now you are using loaded words in a highly opinionated manner. A positive set of actions designed to open up the culture through exposure to new ideas and ending mystery is not the same as its negative set of actions which are brainwashing and propaganda.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.32  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @4.1.11    4 months ago
When my daughter was young we watched little mermaid so many times  I thought I was a Jamaica crustacean.

Sounds like my daughter and me only it was "The Lion King". I actually have a mug that has Hakuna Matata on it.

I know every word of that song by heart

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.33  Jack_TX  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
That is my problem with it. There is a massive push by Disney to force acceptance

The more significant problem is insane parents who want to pretend their 4 year olds are transgender.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.34  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.24    4 months ago
Kids are so "Impressionable" !

Kids don't "choose" to be gay or transgender. If they are, seeing only straight cis people on TV isn't going to make them otherwise - and if they're not, seeing gay or trans people on TV is not going to make them otherwise.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.35  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.30    4 months ago

Why would you choose a sexual partner that you weren't sexually attracted to? In the article the guy claims to be gay but says he fell in love with a woman and so did a gay friend he had dated. How can that be if they are born gay and can't help or change the way they are?

 
 
 
CB
4.1.36  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.8    4 months ago

You are using a series of loaded terms. If your comments are pushed to the side (downplayed, dismissed), you should understand it is because you appear to have an agenda opposite the spirit of the article. This article is about understanding and an opening for a fair hearing, in my opinion. You appear closed off to that.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.37  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.33    4 months ago

Of course. Why not when you see "I am Jazz" on TV and how much people love it? What progressive parent doesn't want their little snowflake to be a valued member of such a celebrated and protected minority group?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.38  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.25    4 months ago
Perhaps you can explain to me how watching Sports on TV is a liberal "brainwashing" conspiracy?

https://www.espn.com/espys/2015/story/_/id/13264599/caitlyn-jenner-accepts-arthur-ashe-courage-award-espys-ashe2015

An athlete who hasn't competed in decades and whose sole accomplishment is taking lots of hormones gets a "courage" award.

buying Disney stocks asap.

That one is obvious, actually.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.39  Jack_TX  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.37    4 months ago
when you see "I am Jazz" on TV

I'm pretty jaded...but I was astonished at the appearance of that program on Disney.

You kinda expect something like that on MTV, but I didn't expect Disney to pick that up.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.40  Gordy327  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.35    4 months ago
Why would you choose a sexual partner that you weren't sexually attracted to?

Some people are into weird things. Maybe they just wanted to get laid. You'd have to ask them.

In the article the guy claims to be gay but says he fell in love with a woman and so did a gay friend he had dated. How can that be if they are born gay and can't help or change the way they are?

I must have overlooked that. Where in the article does it say that? And in what context? But if he dated a gay friend, that seems like he's gay. And being born gay/straight means it's an inborn trait. One does not choose their sexual orientation.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.41  katrix  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.40    4 months ago
But if he dated a gay friend, that seems like he's gay

Or he could be bisexual.

I'm kind of jealous of those who claim sexual orientation is a choice; they are clearly bisexual, and they have twice as many options as I have!

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.42  Gordy327  replied to  katrix @4.1.41    4 months ago
Or he could be bisexual.

This is true.

I'm kind of jealous of those who claim sexual orientation is a choice; they are clearly bisexual, and they have twice as many options as I have!

As Woody Allen once said, "Bisexuality immediately doubles your chances for a date on Saturday night.” 

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.43  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.39    4 months ago

I'm not surprised by anything I see on Disney anymore. Which is why is express disdain for them. They are a propaganda machine as far as I can see.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.44  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.8    4 months ago
I personally refuse to watch anything coming out of Hollywood not just because they are so loony, but because they just simply cannot produce a good movie or show these days.

Then go to see the new Clint Eastwood, Richard Jewell or Dark Waters. Two excellent films.

 
 
 
jungkonservativ111
4.1.45  jungkonservativ111  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.40    4 months ago

From the article:

"My sexual journey through college was anything but run-of-the-mill. I came out at a conservative Christian college in the US and was in a gay relationship for around two years with a basketball player who ended up marrying a woman. During that time, we both pal’d around with girls on the side. I even went so far as to fall in love with one. To this day, she and I joke about how she was the only girl I was ever in love with, and how I would’ve been quite happy marrying her."

And a little further down:

"Some people might argue that I am innately bisexual, with the capacity to love both women and men. But that doesn’t feel like an accurate description of my sexual history, either.

I’m only speaking for myself here. But what feels most accurate to say is that I’m gay – but I wasn’t born this way."

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1.46  Kavika   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.37    4 months ago

Dick Cheney is a progressive and his daughter Mary is a snowflake. 

Wow, I'd have never guessed. 

 
 
 
CB
4.1.47  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.14    4 months ago

HA!

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.48  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @4.1.32    4 months ago

Ain't no passing craze

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.49  Ender  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.45    4 months ago

Sounds to me like he is gay and is being brainwashed by the Christian faith he attends.

basketball player who ended up marrying a woman

You think that doesn't happen all the time? Some people get married and even have children, all the while hiding their true selves...somewhere...oh yeah, in a closet.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.50  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.35    4 months ago
Why would you choose a sexual partner that you weren't sexually attracted to? In the article the guy claims to be gay but says he fell in love with a woman and so did a gay friend he had dated. How can that be if they are born gay and can't help or change the way they are?

I'm an omnivore and often salivate at the smell and sight of a sizzling steak, but I choose to be a vegetarian now for my health. We make lots of choices that aren't all motivated by pure desire. However, I know I'm still an omnivore and I'm not going to try and pretend I'm not attracted to bacon, steaks and burgers. There have been many gay persons throughout history who, most often because of the society pressure to conform, chose to marry the opposite sex. Most will say they do truly love the person they married, they just aren't sexually attracted to them like they are their own gender which is how they were born. The person in your link is recognizing that he is gay, but chose to be in a heterosexual relationship which is his choice, you're not born married. But he's not saying that by marrying a heterosexual he's no longer gay, he's admitting he's gay right there in the article. But saying "I am gay but I wasn't born this way" is in fact his personal opinion and may not be true at all. In fact, it's highly unlikely he wasn't born gay or at least bi-sexual. Why? How likely is it that someone who wasn't attracted to their same sex early on in their life, then chose to marry a straight person choosing the heterosexual lifestyle, is sexually attracted to women in general and specifically his wife, but then out of no where finds out he's also attracted to men but just chose not to act on it? So he was either born bi-sexual, or was born gay and is lying about being sexually attracted to his wife because he desperately wants to stay married and fit some social norm he's been led to believe is the only "right" way to live.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.51  CB   replied to  It Is ME @4.1.24    4 months ago
Kids are so "Impressionable"

And I am sure as a kid you were as impressionable as other kids. However, the real you is shining out in the end, right? Right?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.52  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @4.1.20    4 months ago
You can't be so ignorant as to think that kids "become" gay or transgender because they saw it on TV, or because they were encouraged to be accepting of others.

And you cannot be so ignorant to imagine "gay" and "transgender" to be remotely similar things.

Gay does not require massive medical intervention.  Transgender does.  

 
 
 
CB
4.1.53  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.27    4 months ago

No doubt, kid's are impressionable. However, what impressions you ruled as an adult to be invalid or inappropriate do you incorporate into your being right now?  These matters take care of themselves.

  1. You can not impress the "unwilling."
  2. You can impress the willing.
  3. You whom are experimenting will only be impressed so far . . . .
 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.54  MUVA  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.50    4 months ago

How did you start a plant base diet cold turkey?I find myself eating less red meat and chicken and more veggies because of the taste I don’t think I could give up seafood broiled flounder is my go to meal.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.55  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.50    4 months ago
which is how they were born.

There is astonishingly little medical evidence to support this idea.  Despite decades of searching, there is no proof that gay people are actually genetic freaks.

Why should a gay man's preference for beards be any different than my preference for blondes with big boobs?  Why isn't he entitled to the same treatment I am?  Why do we attempt to explain his preferences away like they're some kind of birth defect?

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.56  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.52    4 months ago
Gay does not require massive medical intervention.  Transgender does.  

True - but either way, everyone deserves equal rights.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.57  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @4.1.46    4 months ago
Dick Cheney is a progressive and his daughter Mary is a snowflake.  Wow, I'd have never guessed. 

Is Mary Cheney gender dysphoric?  Or is she gay?

 
 
 
CB
4.1.58  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.29    4 months ago

I partially read and scanned that article. Interesting and rambling. What point are you making from it to us?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.59  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @4.1.56    4 months ago
True - but either way, everyone deserves equal rights.

True.  The problems center around the disagreements on how those rights are defined.

For example, it's a common argument that gay men have always had the same marriage rights as straight men.  "You can marry any woman you want, just like we can".  But that's bullshit, and now the SCOTUS has put a nail in that coffin.

With TG people, we get to bathroom laws....which are stupid, IMO.  Women's rooms all have stalls, and men don't give a shit who's peeing next to them.

But we then get to locker room rules, specifically in public high schools where they tend to be large open spaces with no privacy anywhere...and we have boys claiming that their gender dysphoria guarantees them the "right" to a front row seat watching the HS girls change.   No...a third, gender neutral changing room will not do.  They demand access to cheerleaders in their underwear.  

So now we have a conflict between the rights of those girls to privacy and the supposed "right" of a boy who is claiming a special "right" because he has a medical condition.  Conflict is inevitable.  It's this kind of scenario that drives opposition to TG "rights" and validates all those complaints about them "forcing their agenda".

 
 
 
CB
4.1.60  CB   replied to  katrix @4.1.41    4 months ago

Dear Katrix! Do not envy anyone else grasses—ever. Here's why. In my experience, as people we are taught, and develop a knack for putting our best look forward as presentation to the world. We call it putting on a 'brave' face and/or making our 'best impression.' But, boy oh boy where the rubber makes contact with the road - blisters, scars, stench, ruin, and pleasure of traveling! All combined into the experience. Trust me, not everything was 'gay' in my active homosexual days, and they are not 'happy' after either.

Bisexuals, I am sure, can have twice as much the fun - and twice as many the regrets!

All things being considered, life seeks a balance.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.61  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.59    4 months ago

The only downside I see is this. WTF are "boys" doing claiming to be girls and competing on that level in sports?

THAT, my friend, is total bullshit. Hell, Jenner at 70 could probably beat some women on the athletic field.

So, I'll put this out there for our other friends. How would you feel if your daughter/granddaughter worked hard her whole school career to make it through all regional competition and head to state finals in track or wrestling only to be bested by some opportunist dick (literally) who decided to take advantage of his perceived gender dysphoria (bullshit) and beat her in more than one event for state title?

Honest answers ONLY will be responded to.....................................

 
 
 
CB
4.1.62  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.44    4 months ago

Ah!

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.63  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.59    4 months ago

Very good points.

When it comes to open spaces, nudity, and that type of privacy ... gym locker rooms are traumatic enough anyway, for many kids. I don't know why a gender neutral changing room wouldn't be considered a good enough option.  My gym has a women's locker room, a men's locker room, and a "family" locker room where everyone is asked to change inside locking stalls to respect everyone's privacy.

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1.64  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.57    4 months ago

According to Mary she is gay.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.65  CB   replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1.45    4 months ago
I’m only speaking for myself here. But what feels most accurate to say is that I’m gay

I am going to venture for discussion that this writer needs to share why he feels it is more accurate to describe his life as homosexual. What compels him to think that between the categories, the majority of his 'marks' land in the homosexual category? He does not explain himself as far as I can tell.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.66  CB   replied to  Ender @4.1.49    4 months ago

You're right. Some people respect their cultural factions that much. They follow the public 'norm' and keep these other things on the side.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.67  Ender  replied to  CB @4.1.66    4 months ago

I don't know if I would call it respect or fear.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.68  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.59    4 months ago

Conflict is inevitable.  It's this kind of scenario that drives opposition to TG "rights" and validates all those complaints about them "forcing their agenda".

First, girls and women are not driven to sexual "distraction" or "photo-finishing" like boys and men. Second, it won't take long to figure out what is going on with an "all-boy" hangin out in the girl's locker room. Boys, being visual,  tend to self-rise to the occasion with obvious proportions—hey you—get out!

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.69  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.52    4 months ago
And you cannot be so ignorant to imagine "gay" and "transgender" to be remotely similar things. Gay does not require massive medical intervention.  Transgender does.  

Not entirely accurate.

I have a good friend who transitioned to a female so she could come out as a lesbian.

There is no "one size fits all".

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.70  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Kavika @4.1.64    4 months ago
According to Mary she is gay.

Maybe she should ask Jack.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
4.1.71  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.69    4 months ago

Shit then I am a lesbian..............................jrSmiley_34_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.72  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.1.68    4 months ago
First, girls and women are not driven to sexual "distraction" or "photo-finishing" like boys and men.

That's hardly a reason to force them to disrobe in front of a boy.  

Second, it won't take long to figure out what is going on with an "all-boy" hangin out in the girl's locker room. Boys, being visual,  tend to self-rise to the occasion with obvious proportions—hey you—get out!

Fair enough.  But the boy claims his "rights".  Who has the authority to remove him?  Are we going to have school administrators deciding who's actually TG and who's not?  Or will that be the PE teacher?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.73  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.69    4 months ago
Not entirely accurate.

I have a good friend who transitioned to a female so she could come out as a lesbian.

There is no "one size fits all".

"Transitioning" requires a massive medical intervention.  

Being a lesbian does not.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.74  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.1.71    4 months ago
I am a lesbian.

Congratulations.

Don't worry, I won't tell anyone.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.75  Jack_TX  replied to  Kavika @4.1.64    4 months ago
According to Mary she is gay.

Not transgender?

So using the Cheney's in response to a comment about transgenderism being pushed by parents?  Not exactly applicable?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.76  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.70    4 months ago
Maybe she should ask Jack.

Or maybe we could all take her at her word and not pretend she's something she doesn't claim to be.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.77  CB   replied to  Ender @4.1.67    4 months ago

In these cases it can be justified respect and fear. What I mean is some cultures are heavily family-oriented, that is family is everything these people enjoy about their way of life and each other. So they keep traditional marriages and stable families, while having this other way on the side. I can see it working with the right understanding.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.78  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.76    4 months ago
Or maybe we could all take her at her word

Yeah, that was my point.

Because you posted this ( 4.1.57   Jack_TX ):

Is Mary Cheney gender dysphoric?  Or is she gay?
 
 
 
Ender
4.1.79  Ender  replied to  CB @4.1.77    4 months ago

Wouldn't that go against their so called values?

So get married but have an affair on the side.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.80  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.72    4 months ago

Firstly, girls and women are not as sensitive about these matters are you crediting them, in my opinion. Secondly, girls and especially women, will escort the lad or the 'malefactor and his little friend' out and headed in the direction of where he needs to be! (Smile.)

On whose-what authority? The established policy and rule.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.81  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.74    4 months ago

Au contraire: Shout it from the roof tops!

Just Jim NC TttH is a Lesbian!  And it's marvelous!

 
 
 
CB
4.1.82  CB   replied to  Ender @4.1.79    4 months ago

I understand your concern. I guess these folks consider it doing what works for their higher/greatest good. Mine you, it is not a choice I made in my own life. Nor did I say it is a spiritual or legal consideration those families make either.

Personal privilege. I will confide this: One of the things in life I will most miss is offspring. Mind you, I am thoughtful, fully content, and feel justified that I did not mess up some woman's life-but, I am living to miss the adoring eyes and favor of a little one all grown up. Thus, I can commiserate with those sentiments which "allow" for children and a stable family life.

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.1.83  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.38    4 months ago
An athlete who hasn't competed in decades and whose sole accomplishment is taking lots of hormones gets a "courage" award

That's rather contradictory isn't it?

All of Jenner's many successes were because of his Olympic success in the decathlon and world records,

so I would disagree that her recent hormone therapy is her sole accomplishment.

Did Jenner ask for the notoriety or an award? I think not.

And I am not sure who made the comment where someone said she is not a "she" until she has reassignment surgery

but I have been notified that she did indeed make that transition 2 years ago.

That is apparently on Wikipedia as well, for what Wiki is worth...lol.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.84  cobaltblue  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.16    4 months ago
Sexual orientation is not something one chooses.

Those who think sexuality is a choice are bisexual. No two ways about it (pardon the pun). If they think it's a choice, then this scenario occurs in their life: They see a woman walking down the street and think "I'd totally hit that." They continue down the street and see a gentleman and think "I'd love to tap that ass." I'm straighter than straight, although I get girl crushes on intelligent women with a well developed senses of humor. I don't have a choice. Which sucks because that means that I miss out on 50% of the population that I'm not attracted to sexually. People I could love and share a life with. I don't have a choice. 

It stands to reason that the person who claims it's a choice is bisexual. They can hit the sheets with both sexes. If they were straight, they'd know it isn't a choice. Or what day did they choose to be straight? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.85  cobaltblue  replied to  katrix @4.1.41    4 months ago
I'm kind of jealous of those who claim sexual orientation is a choice; they are clearly bisexual, and they have twice as many options as I have!

Omigawd! I just said that somewhere else. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.86  MUVA  replied to  cobaltblue @4.1.85    4 months ago

Do you speak valley girl?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.87  cobaltblue  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.17    4 months ago
I'm there are those who still believe that.

I think you're supposed to spill your seed only to continue the species. So do the religious bury their tissues and put a tiny little cross on it? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.88  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.78    4 months ago
Yeah, that was my point. Because you posted this

Yeah....in response to a comment about the Cheney's being a family where the parents push their snowflake children into believing their transgender.  

But Mary Cheney isn't actually transgender, so that whole comment was a bit bullshit.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.89  cobaltblue  replied to  MUVA @4.1.86    4 months ago
Do you speak valley girl?

Gnarly question. Fershure. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.90  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.1.80    4 months ago
Firstly, girls and women are not as sensitive about these matters are you crediting them, in my opinion.

The women I know don't like being told what they have to do.  But maybe I just associate with too many feminists.

The established policy and rule.

Well...that's the issue.  If you let one boy in the girls' locker room, you're going to either have to let all of them in, or somebody is going to have to decide who's actually TG and who's not.  

Who's going to make those determinations?  

 
 
 
MUVA
4.1.91  MUVA  replied to  cobaltblue @4.1.89    4 months ago

Like I knew it.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.92  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MUVA @4.1.54    4 months ago
How did you start a plant base diet cold turkey?

Well, I went to my doctor who said that even though my height and weight looked okay, I have high blood pressure and medium to high cholesterol so she recommended I watch "Forks over Knives" on Netflix which I did and decided to go "cold turkey" back in August of this year. I'd been having some meat with just about every meal since before I can remember, so I wasn't sure If I could stick it out. But within just a few months I've found I have a lot more energy going plant based and really couldn't imagine going back. There are so many good vegetarian options now I hardly even notice missing it anymore. The plant based burgers, vegetable curries, rice, they have some crumbled impossible burger meat that is perfect for tacos and lasagna. It was honestly difficult to tell the difference between the regular meat lasagna I would make and using the plant-based meat crumbles in the red sauce.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.93  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.55    4 months ago
There is astonishingly little medical evidence to support this idea.  Despite decades of searching, there is no proof that gay people are actually genetic freaks.

First, they're not "freaks" no matter how much you wish to label those different than yourself as aberrant. Just because only 17% of the population have blue eyes we don't consider them "freaks" of nature, so why should anyone consider the roughly 5% of the population who are lgtbq "freaks"?. Second, there is as much proof that they're born gay as there is that I was born straight. Now I can't pull up my gene code and tell you which epi-gene or gene was responsible for me being straight, but I can tell you that I was attracted to girls from as early as I can remember. I barely remember but my family often would tell the story of when I was 4 years old and apparently asked one of my aunts to marry me. Most people I've spoken to through the years, gay and straight, have similar accounts of just knowing who they were attracted to from a very early age, they knew who gave them butterflies in their stomach when they were around. If that's not being "born" attracted to one gender or the other I don't know what is, regardless of any genetic proof.

The fact is, the science so far points to there being no single "gay gene" or "straight gene". Instead, it's likely that thousands of different genes influence sexual orientation, which is what a new study of the genomes of nearly half a million people suggests.

"Another possible misinterpretation is to think that if same-sex preference is genetically influenced, it must therefore be totally genetically determined," Zietsch added. "That is not true. Genetically identical individuals — twins — often have different sexual orientations. We know there are non-genetic influences as well, but we don't understand these well, and our study does not say anything about them."

https://www.livescience.com/no-single-gene-makes-someone-gay.html

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.94  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.83    4 months ago
That's rather contradictory isn't it?

In what way, exactly?

All of Jenner's many successes were because of his Olympic success in the decathlon and world records, so I would disagree that her recent hormone therapy is her sole accomplishment.

What exactly has he done that would be considered "courageous"?  What makes him more courageous than Usain Bolt?

Did Jenner ask for the notoriety or an award? I think not.

The point in question was Disney pushing the agenda.  The Arthur Ashe Courage Award was certainly part of pushing that agenda.

And I am not sure who made the comment where someone said she is not a "she" until she has reassignment surgery but I have been notified that she did indeed make that transition 2 years ago.

In that case, she's now a she.

That is apparently on Wikipedia as well, for what Wiki is worth...lol.

Well it's not exactly something either of us probably invests too much energy on, so Wikipedia is perfect for that.  :)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.95  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.93    4 months ago
First, they're not "freaks" no matter how much you wish to label those different than yourself as aberrant.

You are the one attempting to convince everyone that's what they are.  I think you should stop.

Just because only 17% of the population have blue eyes we don't consider them "freaks" of nature, so why should anyone consider the roughly 5% of the population who are lgtbq "freaks"?

You tell me.  You're the one committed to that idea.  Nobody suggests that I was "born" with some sort of affinity for tan blonde women.  Yet when one of my friends decides he likes guys with broad shoulders, he was somehow predestined to be that way from his mother's womb.

If there is nothing wrong with his preference, why are you so utterly committed to making excuses for him?

Second, there is as much proof that they're born gay as there is that I was born straight.

Exactly!!!  So we don't need to keep pretending.

The fact is, the science so far points to there being no single "gay gene" or "straight gene". Instead, it's likely that thousands of different genes influence sexual orientation, which is what a new study of the genomes of nearly half a million people suggests.

Have you looked at the math on the studies?  The correlations are cataclysmically weak.  They've been studying this for 40 years and they have nothing.  Which....is.....O......K.......

So I hate to break this to you, but at SOME POINT we are going to need to decide that if there really isn't anything wrong with being gay we should stop trying to make excuses for being gay.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.96  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.19    4 months ago
Forget "A Clockwork Orange." We now have "A Clockwork Disney," Lol

OK, now that is one of the best lines I have read in a long time. LMAO!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.97  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.55    4 months ago

Jack,

I hate to break it to you, but there happens to be a lot of actual medical evidence that gay people are born gay and that their brain structures are different and that these differences show on MRI's. This is not social science. This is medical science. Furthermore, homosexuality occurs in almost all forms of life at about the same rate as it occurs in humans. 

But hey, don't take my word for it. Here is some reading

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-like-those-of-the-opposite-sex/

https://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080617151845.htm

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.98  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.97    4 months ago

You've got three links referring to a single study (Savic, 2008) that doesn't reference anything prior to a person being born.  The study observes brain structure correlation in adults. 

So while it is indeed medical science, it doesn't say what you claim it does.  

This is a recurring theme, BTW, with many studies of human sexuality.  People claim one study or another says one thing or another when the studies just don't.

The larger question we need to be asking ourselves is why we're so desperate to prove something that only matters if you believe there is something wrong with being gay.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.99  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.95    4 months ago
You are the one attempting to convince everyone that's what they are.  I think you should stop.

? I quoted you and your comment that implied if there was some genetic difference than that must mean they're "freaks", the word you used. That has been a word traditionally only used in reference to gays by religious bigots and homophobes. And after looking through the comments, your comment at 4.1.55 was the first time that word was brought in to the discussion, so it looks far more like you're the "one trying to convince everyone that's what they are."

And like I said, I don't believe there is any specific gay gene, people are who they are and we should simply stop discriminating for such petty opinions.

"at SOME POINT we are going to need to decide that if there really isn't anything wrong with being gay we should stop trying to make excuses for being gay."

Who is trying to "make excuses" for gay persons? If someone asked me how I found out I was heterosexual, I would tell them I just always felt this way and was born straight, is that an "excuse"? Why is that any different for a gay person saying essentially the same thing when asked when they knew they were gay? Why would their belief they were born that way be an "excuse"? And who is trying to "excuse" what? Their finding a companion and wanting to spend their lives with someone? Why should anyone need an excuse for that? The only one claiming there's anything wrong with our lgtbq neighbors seem to be the religious conservative's trying to push their onerous views about sex on everyone around them, trying to force society to conform to their opinions instead of just accepting people as they are.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.100  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.90    4 months ago

Hormones? There are signs, Jack_TX. Transgender people give off signs and symbols. Transgender boys are softer and gentler by disposition, and transgender girls are tough and sturdy. How come you don't get it, yet?

"Let them all in"? Like a stampede or like an open club or something. NAW! You wouldn't do that.

"Who's going to make determinations"? Are you actually asking me if someone is going to take the 'measurement' of these youthful boys' intentions and seriousness?

This  reminds me of this scene from the great movie, "PORKY'S"

Porky's: Principal's office

NOTE: The last laugh at the end of this video will blow you away!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.101  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.99    4 months ago
I quoted you and your comment that implied if there was some genetic difference than that must mean they're "freaks", the word you used.  That has been a word traditionally only used in reference to gays by religious bigots and homophobes.

I know.  I use it on purpose to demonstrate how the whole "born this way" argument actually supports the homphobes.  

Who is trying to "make excuses" for gay persons?

You are, even if you don't mean to.  "Born this way" is an excuse.  It's the precursor to "can't help what they are"....like there is something wrong with them.   The ONLY reason it matters is if there is shame attached to the activity.  

If someone asked me how I found out I was heterosexual, I would tell them I just always felt this way and was born straight, is that an "excuse"?

In your entire life, how many people not on the internet have asked you that question?   

Their finding a companion and wanting to spend their lives with someone? Why should anyone need an excuse for that? 

They don't.  That's the point.  It's time to stop making them 

On a personal level, "born this way" is a way to justify sexual preference to hostile parents or other family members.   How easy would it be if coming out of the closet was like announcing a medical diagnosis of a genetic condition inherited from a parent?  It would literally be "you made me this way, you can't be angry or disappointed with me".

"Born this way" has then been taken up by well-meaning usually angry defenders of gay people as a reason why religious conservatives should leave them alone.  The thought process is literally "they were born this way, they can't help it".  Now...if somebody defended you with that, you'd be thinking how with friends like that you don't need any enemies.

But if there really isn't anything wrong with being gay, then there isn't any reason for shame, and there isn't any reason to need an excuse for why they can't help how they are...especially when the science undermines the excuse at nearly every turn.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.102  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.1.100    4 months ago
There are signs, Jack_TX. Transgender people give off signs and symbols. Transgender boys are softer and gentler by intent and transgender girls are tough and sturdy.

Really now?  Do share with us this massive amount of data you've compiled to demonstrate this phenomenon.

How come you don't get it, yet?

Because you're spinning some bullshit here, CB.  You know full well we can't run schools based on "how soft the boys are" or "how big the muscles are on the girls".

"Let them all in"? Like a stampede or like an open club or something. NAW! You wouldn't do that.

Well that's going to depend on what the law says.  During the previous administration, schools were subject to losing their federal funding unless they did exactly that.

"Who's going to make what determinations"? Are you actually asking me if someone is going to take the 'measurement' of these boys' intent?

Somebody's going to have to.  Apparently we'll need some sort of scientific equipment to measure how squishy the boys are.

That reminds me of this scene from the great movie, "PORKY'S"

Moral turpitude.

 
 
 
Kavika
4.1.103  Kavika   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.75    4 months ago

It fits Jack, since his comments took in both gay and transgender and bisexual were also part of the comments. 

Cheers.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.104  CB   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.97    4 months ago

Perrie, please take this under consideration. As for me, I will have to 'bone up' on this science over a period of time.

Excerpt from

‘I am gay – but I wasn’t born this way’

True, various eye-grabbing headlines over the years have claimed that some scientists have found something like The Gay Gene. In 1991, for example, neuroscientist Simon LaVey published findings that he claimed suggest that “sexual orientation has a biological substrate.” According to LeVay’s research, a specific part of the brain, the third interstitial nucleus of the anterior hypothalamus (INAH-3), is smaller in homosexual men than it is in heterosexual men.

You can spot the problem with this study a mile away: were the gay brains LeVay studied born that way, or did they become that way? LeVay himself pointed this out to Discover Magazine in 1994: “Since I looked at adult brains, we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth or if they appeared later.” Further, the brains LeVay studied belonged to AIDS victims, so he couldn’t even be sure if what he was seeing had something to do with the disease.

Another landmark paper on the origins of homosexuality was published in 1993 by a geneticist named Dean Hamer, who was interested to learn whether homosexuality could be inherited. Beginning from his observation that there are more gay relatives on a mother’s side than a father’s, Hamer turned his attention to the X chromosome (which is passed on by the mother). He then recruited 40 pairs of gay brothers and got to work. What he found was that 33 of those brothers shared matching DNA in the Xq28, a region in the X chromosome. Hamer’s conclusion? He believes there’s about “99.5% certainty that there is a gene (or genes) in this area of the X chromosome that predisposes a male to become a heterosexual.”

A 2015 study sought to confirm Hamer’s findings, this time with a much larger sample: 409 pairs of gay brothers. Researchers were pleased with their findings, which they claimed “support the existence of genes on… Xq28 influencing development of male sexual orientation.”

But not everyone finds the results convincing, according to Science . For one thing, the study relied on a technique called genetic linkage, which has been widely replaced by genome-wide association studies. It’s also noteworthy that Sanders himself urged his study to be viewed with a certain caution. “We don’t think genetics is the whole story,” he said . “It’s not.”

And as Allen points out, there have also been studies that found no “X-linked gene underlying male homosexuality.” Perhaps predictably, these studies haven’t received as much media coverage.

Besides the individual critiques leveled against each new study announcing some gay gene discovery, there are major methodological criticisms to make about the entire enterprise in general, as Grzanka points out: “If we look at the ravenous pursuit, particularly among American scientists, to find a gay gene, what we see is that the conclusion has already been arrived at.

Source : https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20160627-i-am-gay-but-i-wasnt-born-this-way
 
 
 
CB
4.1.105  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.102    4 months ago

This comment portrays an attitude that is looking for a 'home.' Keep searching. The day I detail for you the specifics of makings transgender youths, we won't be on social media. This falls under, "Give It Up Already."

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.106  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.100    4 months ago
NOTE: The last laugh at the end of this video will blow you away!

The coaches were outstanding!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.107  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.104    4 months ago
I will have to 'bone up'

Perfect.

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.108  Gordy327  replied to  CB @4.1.100    4 months ago

Thanks for that CB. Porky's was awesome and that was one of the funniest scenes. How Ms. Ballbreaker kept a straight face through that is amazing. I was laughing hysterically. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.109  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.108    4 months ago
I was laughing hysterically.

Like the coach in the "Lassie scene"?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.1.110  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.98    4 months ago
So while it is indeed medical science, it doesn't say what you claim it does.  

What it says is that their brains are different from straight people. You are your brain.

This is a recurring theme, BTW, with many studies of human sexuality.  People claim one study or another says one thing or another when the studies just don't.

There have been many other studies from medical journals, but I didn't think it would make for an easy read. They all came to the same conclusion. If you want me to get them, I will gladly.

The larger question we need to be asking ourselves is why we're so desperate to prove something that only matters if you believe there is something wrong with being gay.

You do realize that was total circular logic. If people were not giving gay people a hard time, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but because people do, we have to. Personally, I have no issues with gays. How about you?

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.111  Ender  replied to  CB @4.1.82    4 months ago
One of the things in life I will most miss is offspring

Don't know how I missed this. I have never had kids either. Though I will say I have had my fair share of taking care of others.

I understand that to a point yet there are other ways to make a mark on ones life. 

(If not ways around that)

I guess I just decided long ago that I am better off when I can send the kids home for a while.

Life is unique. Some people have kids that shouldn't and some don't have kids that should.

You have a lot to give and I am sure the people around you reap the benefit.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.112  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.108    4 months ago

Miss Balbricker has caught a transsexual 'faker' afoot in the shower wall!

MV5BMjAyMjI2NzMtOTJjOS00Y2NiLWEyYjktYmEy

Gordy, I don't know how she kept character throughout.  Then, there was the classic scene with the "10-gallon condom 'in' the Balbricker" Insane rush of laughter!

 
 
 
CB
4.1.113  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.109    4 months ago

laughter.gif   Now that is maddening, pepper belly, comedic, he-hawing!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.114  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.110    4 months ago
What it says is that their brains are different from straight people. You are your brain.

MRIs and PET scans are providing a plethora of data about the human condition.  DNA is also providing tons of data about human beings.  I don't know what the implications on human sexuality will be butt I hope that we will gain insights on mental illness.

Let me be clear, I don't think gay people are mentally ill.  There is nothing wrong with being gay.  I don't think there is a magic therapy that will make gay people straight and I certainly don't think you can "pray away the gay".

Butt, maybe research will provide a new gene therapy that will be used to treat mental illnesses like schizophrenia or manic narcissism.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.115  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.112    4 months ago
Miss Balbricker has caught a transsexual 'faker' afoot in the shower wall!

That wasn't "afoot" that she caught, it was a tallywhacker!

 
 
 
CB
4.1.116  CB   replied to  Ender @4.1.111    4 months ago

Aw! Now that was nice and warm, Ender. Raised quite a few kids, belonging to other, myself. God is good to give me a 'legacy.' Still, this last little one I recently looked at 'pulls at my heart strings.' He causes me to realize just how much some of us give up in our quest for doing the proper thing for all involved. Heterosexuals (in general) are not all wrong about the sound of little tiny feet in the house, because those feet grow up to love their old parents unconditionally (when it is done well).

Well, enough. Nothing I can do about it now, even if I wanted to. That 'ship' has sailed. (Smile.) Looking at the 'Balbreaker' shower image above, reminds me that all our well everything stems from the fact that people 'multiply' themselves. Athough I have slept with a quaint number of women throughout my youth, as far as I know, I will return to the Source 'unsplit.'

Let me end by tying the above to the story in the article. Caitlyn Jenner is a strong woman to have lived the amazing life she has, to have been the envy of men the world over, to bear children, and then to look that wife and those children in their eyes as she planned the next stage of her development—this stage. I admire her for it, too. In the end, it will have been one superlative life and legacy.

 
 
 
Ender
4.1.117  Ender  replied to  CB @4.1.116    4 months ago
In the end, it will have been one superlative life and legacy

Not when you consider her legacy is Kardashian. jrSmiley_100_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.118  sandy-2021492  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.23    4 months ago
With some, they feel the need to censor others so they can create safe spaces for their personal opinions.

And yet, they call others (progressives) snowflakes.

Ironic.  And good for a laugh.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.119  It Is ME  replied to  CB @4.1.51    4 months ago
However, the real you is shining out in the end, right? Right?

oooo......OUCH ! jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gordy327
4.1.120  Gordy327  replied to  CB @4.1.112    4 months ago

That movie is a classic. I have to watch it again now 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.121  Jack_TX  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.110    4 months ago
What it says is that their brains are different from straight people. You are your brain.

Sure.  But why would we think sexuality is determined at birth when we know for a fact so much other brain development isn't?   It would be especially suspicious given the copious research indicating there is no genetic link to homosexuality.

You do realize that was total circular logic.

It isn't.

If people were not giving gay people a hard time, then we wouldn't be having this discussion, but because people do, we have to.

So the plan here is to use (misinterpreted) scientific research and logic to sway neanderthals who can't understand science and who don't use logic?  Riiiiiight. 

Does phase two of this plan involve "really moving Powerpoint presentations"?  Or how about a series of TedTalks?  A black-tie gala?

Whether or not they're "born that way" doesn't matter.  Their rights are not based on how they're born.  Trying to push bad interpretations of inconclusive science undermines what should be the main focus.  

I've been a coach for 29 years.  I know a shitty game plan when I see one. 

Personally, I have no issues with gays. How about you?

Another recurring theme throughout modern discourse on sexuality is the outright or implied accusation that anybody realistic enough to deviate from the prevailing narrative must be some sort of homophobe.  

My issue is not with gay people.  My gay friends label me "open and accepting", but really I'm just supremely indifferent about sexual activity other than my own.    My problem is with their defenders, who almost always do more harm than good.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.122  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.121    4 months ago
It would be especially suspicious given the copious research indicating there is no genetic link to homosexuality.

Studies suggest that men with lots of older brothers are more likely to be gay, and it could be that it's due to immunological conditions in their mom's womb.

Whether or not they're "born that way" doesn't matter.  Their rights are not based on how they're born. 

That's an excellent point. While I think it's highly likely that there are some biological factors, if it turned out that there aren't any, my views on gay rights wouldn't change at all. I think the reason so many people point out the likelihood of genetic factors is because that's the one argument that sometimes shuts up the bigots and kills lots of the arguments for discrimination.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.123  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @4.1.122    4 months ago
Studies suggest that men with lots of older brothers are more likely to be gay, and it could be that it's due to immunological conditions in their mom's womb.

My family nixes that study. jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

"Studies".….. LOL. jrSmiley_99_smiley_image.jpg

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.124  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @4.1.122    4 months ago
Studies suggest that men with lots of older brothers are more likely to be gay, and it could be that it's due to immunological conditions in their mom's womb.

Do you have a link?

Is there also research on the socialization of men with lots of older brothers?  Or are we just so desperate to swing a hammer that everything looks like a nail?

my views on gay rights wouldn't change at all.

Here is the absolute most important point....  Nobody else's will, either. 

The argument is literally "these people are born different....so you should treat them like they're the same." 

I think the reason so many people point out the likelihood of genetic factors is because that's the one argument that sometimes shuts up the bigots and kills lots of the arguments for discrimination.

But it doesn't.  And it never will.  That's why this is such a terrible gameplan.  It's an appeal that only matters to people who are already on board.

If it ever is proven that people are "born gay", you'll have about 45 minutes before somebody starts talking about "birth defects" and "searching for a cure".

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.125  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.123    4 months ago
"Studies".….. LOL

Not surprising that you scoff at scientific studies.

 
 
 
It Is ME
4.1.126  It Is ME  replied to  katrix @4.1.125    4 months ago
Not surprising that you scoff at scientific studies.

Scientific ? jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

No one "Studied" my family !

Did they "Study" yours ?

Anyone can "Scientifically" study those they "Want" to study, and come up with an answer they NEED !

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.127  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.124    4 months ago

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2156010-we-may-know-why-younger-brothers-are-more-likely-to-be-gay/

It's just a preliminary observation.

There are also two genes that may play a role ... although I think many scientists are skeptical of that.

I wouldn't say it's desperation to swing a hammer, but rather that it seems very likely that there is some biological basis. Scientists are trying to find out what it is, if it indeed exists.

But it doesn't.  And it never will.

I'm not sure I agree. So many of the anti-gay crowd uses that as their rationale for their support of discrimination ... saying people choose to be gay and they could just as easily choose to be straight. If they have to accept that it isn't a choice, their bigotry becomes a lot harder to justify. Plus, it gives me an excuse to be a smartass and politely explain to these people that if it's a choice for them, that means they are bisexual. It's always fun to tweak people who want to deny equal rights to others.

 
 
 
katrix
4.1.128  katrix  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.126    4 months ago
Anyone can "Scientifically" study those they "Want" to study, and come up with an answer they NEED !

Again, not surprising that you don't know what the scientific method is, or how it works.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.129  Dulay  replied to  jungkonservativ111 @4.1    4 months ago
It exists, no need to celebrate it any more than heteros celebrate their sexuality.

So only 24/7, got ya. 

 
 
 
CB
4.1.130  CB   replied to  Ender @4.1.117    4 months ago

Hey!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.131  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.101    4 months ago
The thought process is literally "they were born this way, they can't help it".  Now...if somebody defended you with that, you'd be thinking how with friends like that you don't need any enemies.

At one time, being left handed was considered a sign someone was evil or cursed by God. Many Christians even believed this based on the scripture in Matthew “He shall separate all nations one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats; and he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left…then shall the king say unto them on his right hand, come, ye blessed of my father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world… then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels .”

"Michael Salazar wrote that his “fourth grade teacher would force me to use my right hand to perform all of my school work” and that “if she caught me using my left hand, I was hit in the head with a dictionary,”. "left-handedness has been seen as everything from a sign of moral degeneracy to a symptom of neurological deformity to an illegal act."

https://allthatsinteresting.com/left-handedness-evil

So how did society move away from such nonsensical notions about left-handedness? Doctors and others came out to proclaim that there was nothing wrong with being left handed and it was completely normal and that the left handed are "born" that way. Was that an "excuse"? If it was, it was only necessary because of the constant negative view some placed on left-handedness back then. There was an active campaign being waged by some who had just been indoctrinated to believe that left-handedness was evil which required a defense of those who, through no fault of their own, found themselves under attack simply for how they were born.

Approximately 10% of the population is born left handed. I rather doubt any of them would object to anyone using the fact that they were born left handed to refute those claiming they are evil or cursed because of it. I do not believe they see that "excuse" as a bad thing but a fact that shows they are not really any different than anyone born right handed, they just happen to be the opposite.

Trying to claim that those standing up for gay rights are the problem because they are proclaiming there's nothing wrong with being gay and being gay is completely normal and some people are just born gay is not in any way proclaiming our fellow gay citizens "freaks", the word you injected into the debate. Humans come in all shapes and sizes, tall, short, white, black, blue eyed, green eyes, left handed, right handed, blonde, brunette, gay, straight. Only when a group within society decides to discriminate and attack people who happen to have been born into one category or another that any defense is necessary at all. And it seems the alternative that you're suggesting would be to just let the discrimination continue and stay silent and it will all just work itself out eventually. To ignore the actions of those attacking and discriminating against a subset of people just to avoid acknowledging that a subset exists would imply support for the discrimination.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Martin Niemoller

Perhaps we could add:

Then they came for the gays
And I did not speak out
Because I was not born that way

 
 
 
CB
4.1.132  CB   replied to  It Is ME @4.1.119    4 months ago

Whatever.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.133  CB   replied to  Gordy327 @4.1.120    4 months ago

An iron your belly on the floor roller!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.134  Jack_TX  replied to  katrix @4.1.127    4 months ago
Scientists are trying to find out what it is, if it indeed exists.

And I respect that.  I respect the search for actual knowledge on almost any topic.

So many of the anti-gay crowd uses that as their rationale for their support of discrimination ... saying people choose to be gay and they could just as easily choose to be straight.

Do they?  I don't hear that in my Texas Baptist circles.  Maybe it's going on and I'm just missing it.

Why do we care what they think or say?  Responding to them gives them importance and lends validity to their nonsense.

If they have to accept that it isn't a choice, their bigotry becomes a lot harder to justify.

We need to stop calling it "bigotry".  They're not a different race.  They're not a different species.  The more we keep acting like they're different, the easier it is to treat them differently.

They need to take the victim card off the table, tear it into little pieces, burn it, and pee on the ashes for good measure.

If you tried to tell a straight man who he could or couldn't sleep with or marry, his response would be along the lines of "who the fuck are you to try to tell me what I can and cannot do?", and would probably degenerate from there.  That's the mentality gay people ....and their defenders....need to adopt.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.135  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.134    4 months ago
If you tried to tell a straight man who he could or couldn't sleep with or marry, his response would be along the lines of "who the fuck are you to try to tell me what I can and cannot do?", and would probably degenerate from there.  That's the mentality gay people ....and their defenders....need to adopt.

That is the mentality homosexuals are holding. However, what victim card are your referring us to? When people stand up for themselves in any capacity that does not involve breaking the law, you should applaud. I do not support a need to "suit" your concept of what constitutes bigotry. If a person is against homosexuality and all other matters being equal: that's a bigot - someone who won't let homosexuals live free and clear without harm, bashing, or legislation against.

Just my view. I realize that I am engaging a closed discussion of some sort. But, I got "full" and I needed to say something.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.136  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.131    4 months ago

Niemoller?   Really?

People who try to compare the US to Nazi Germany, you need to slap themselves repeatedly until you emerge from whatever Man in the High Castle alternate reality they've imagined themselves into.

You use left-handed people as an example, and it's a great case study....but not for any of the reasons you suggest.

There was never any doubt that people didn't choose to be left-handed.  Lots of religious idiots thought that children were born left-handed as punishment for the sins of their parents.  Or that they were demon-possessed.  Left-handedness was even considered an indicator of homosexuality.

You'll notice that didn't stop the persecution of left-handed people.....  

I don't understand why anyone would struggle with the idea that religious idiots don't think like the rest of us.  Attempting to reason with them using the same logic that you would accept is like trying to knock down a concrete wall with a pair of scissors.

The more you fixate on how people are different, the more you open them to persecution.  That does not change if they are born different.  Bullies respect one thing...strength.  Phrases like "born this way" or "perfectly natural" are implied admissions of weakness and inferiority.  You're triggering a predatory response.

"Born different" only matters to people already on your side of the issue.

The standard position of all gay people should be "it's my preference, and if you don't like it you can fuck right off."

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.137  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.1.135    4 months ago
That is the mentality homosexuals are holding.

Not if they're trying to convince people that they're "born this way" and "can't help it".  Those are positions of weakness.

When people stand up for themselves in any capacity that does not involve breaking the law, you should applaud. 

Lots of people think they're standing up for themselves, but they're terrible at it so it backfires.  I don't applaud people being shit at something, especially something that important.

Someday we'll have a discussion on what Colin Kaepernick should have done.....

If a person is against homosexuality and all other matters being equal: that's a bigot 

bigot: noun  one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

We need to stop making them their own group.  Stop acting like they're from Mars.  Stop demanding everybody accept they're some sort of genetic freaks with a birth defect.  

Start treating their preferences as no more significant than the difference between guys who like skinny girls and the guys who like big butts......and watch acceptance skyrocket.

I realize that I am engaging a closed discussion of some sort.

Not closed at all.  Your opinion is welcome.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.138  cobaltblue  replied to  MUVA @4.1.91    4 months ago
Like I knew it.

Even Valspeak uses punctuation. It's "like, I knew it." 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.139  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.136    4 months ago
The more you fixate on how people are different, the more you open them to persecution.

Oh, so we're supposed to just ignore inequality and injustice when we see it just incase pointing it out might get the bullies more angry? What a sick and twisted attempt at logic.

"Bullies respect one thing...strength. "

Okay, so we're just supposed to go kick the religious conservatives asses and beat them into submission? Force them physically with "strength" to capitulate? The only way to stop a bully is for not only the victim to stand up to them but everyone who sees the bullying to do the same, to show the bully they are the minority and they are the problem, not the kid getting picked on.

"Phrases like "born this way" or "perfectly natural" are implied admissions of weakness and inferiority"

That is your opinion and a very weak one.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

Knowing ones self is key to any victory and the basis for strength. Accepting who and what you were born is the foundation to knowing ones self. Someone who happens to have been born short may know they will never play as a center in the NBA, but does that make them "weak" or "inferior"? Of course not. Hell, I'm 6'2" and I know I'd never be able to play center in the NBA but I've never felt "weak" or "Inferior" because of it, but I can freely admit, I was "born this way" and that's "perfectly natural".

All you're doing by promoting ignoring the injustices by claiming that somehow, ignoring it will make it go away is merely empowering the bullies. It's giving them free reign to do whatever they like and keep trying to pass laws to discriminate and diminish the rights of lgtbq Americans.

"You're triggering a predatory response."

The predators have been attacking the lgtbq community for centuries if not longer. Only now are many finally starting to come out of the closets as we create more protections for them and support them as we do other members of society who have been historically abused by the majority.

"All . . . will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect and to violate would be oppression" - Thomas Jefferson

Those supporting gay rights did not create the need for protecting gay rights, vile, inhumane bigots with their heads twisted on backwards after years of religious indoctrination did. To claim it's those supporting gay rights that are somehow inflaming the bigots creating some "predatory response" is hilariously ridiculous. As if religious conservatives would stop attacking gays, stop discriminating, stop firing them when they find out they have a gay employee, stop refusing them the same access as any other mate during health crisis's, stop trying to pass anti-lgtbq laws and attempting to ban gay marriage again if those supporting gay rights would just "shut up about it". The very notion you suggest is stomach turning, to just abandon our fellow citizens under attack because you think what they really need is to just ignore it for another few thousand years of persecution so as not to make the bigots angry.

"The standard position of all gay people should be "it's my preference, and if you don't like it you can fuck right off."

What a laugh. You act as if it was like they were just deciding whether to wear a blue shirt or a red one, it's just their "preference".

"Billy! Use your right hand or else!"

"No sir, using my left hand is my preference"

What utter nonsense. The fact that you can't see what total hogwash your argument is says a lot.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.140  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.137    4 months ago

Jack, let me be check myself, because what I really want to write could be . . . strong.

First, I have seen what bigotry against homosexuals can be - and, I have not seen or experience anything close to the worse treatments (I have heard about). As a homosexual youth 'back in the day' I lived a relatively golden experience, because like you suggest I did not let too many people get the upper hand on telling me who and what I could do or 'get away' with. Okay, there was that.

Secondly, homosexuals were outcasts in this country. We were the 'pits.' And, the only smiles we could get from heterosexuals generally were of the lurid kind -when they 'allowed' themselves to want something from us sexually and definitely secretly. Other than that, we were talked down to like sick, perverted, people who loved to act like sissies and do "doggie-styled" nasty stuff.

Thirdly, heterosexual men used to feel in no ways weird when they deluded themselves into thinking that a "bull-dyke" (pejorative) simply needed a couple of stiff penises to self-correct and 'focus.' And, once the booze kicked in and inhibitions lowered they would take what they wanted or just beat the heaven out of the offender lesbian.

As a young homosexual teen, I once watched a "male-lesbian" friend of mine get brutalized at club closing time as one of the town's "hotty" decided he wanted her girlfriend. My friend made the serious mistake of standing up for herself and her 'partner' - well hot guy tore into her with both fists and near the end he picked her up and slammed her hard on the gutter walls of the sidewalk. Such uncut hatred for another human being. To this day, I wonder if he ever found her to apologize or make amends. Or, if it is was just one of those things that happen in life . . . .

Fourthly, can you imagine how it could have/must have felt to show up at City Hall in say oh 1945 "bright eyes and bushy tails" to inform the clerk there you were arrived to marry your 'best bud' or best "gay" gal, only to be hauled out unceremoniously by building security or state police? No one gave a damn about  homosexual protestations or him/her speaking up. The pain was physical and emotional. 

The Public, Church, Professionals, Courts, Lawyers, Mothers and Fathers wanted nothing to do with. . ."us."

So Jack_TX, a long-story shortened: Homosexuals are carving out their own way in society today.

It is not your role to prescribe for homosexuals their proper attitudes. I am sure you are being kind to say that you are welcoming, but it could just be that you were never the problem. Not the issue.  The bigots who kept me out of their apartment tenements when I really liked the dwelling were an issue in the 70's. The banker that looked at me and my 'partner' and realized our "t," and I saw it in his eyes as he gave us a line about not qualifying when I did what a family had done to qualify before I arrived to be rejected. He was an issue.

Heavens, I had to lie to get to get to serve my country, to get the veteran status I have to day. Funny irony about that too. Some of my fondest memories I will take to the grave will be with young military men and women. No judgement - not really. Even when they 'noticed.' Still, the system was "unrelenting."

Homosexual tax dollars funded heterosexual marriages-because homosexuals apparently had no recourse to 'claw-back' all the tax dollars tax law allowed heterosexual benefactors. And, so forth and so on.

So excuse us who lived it, while we change how the world deals with us in the way we know how. Because we lived it - it kinda makes us experts-officially and unofficially.  If all goes well, we will soon have a couple of generations of the freedoms you came up under and flourished in as a norm we can look back on and be calmly and less apprehensive about it

 
 
 
CB
4.1.141  CB   replied to  CB @4.1.140    4 months ago

And by the way, President Donald Trump reached out and culled transsexuals from 'unbroken' entering of the military by a bigoted act of self-interest. The military establishment explained itself to President Trump; letting transsexuals in to serve has been properly studied and all the prevailing factors appropriated, settled, and approved. And, Trump cut off some young man's or woman's way into a better life, simply because of something self-interesting between the needs of conservatism and the needs of a Trump Administration.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.142  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.139    4 months ago
The very notion you suggest is stomach turning, to just abandon our fellow citizens under attack because you think what they really need is to just ignore it for another few thousand years of persecution so as not to make the bigots angry.

Exactly. Minorities in this country, of all stripes, do not have the sheer numbers to protect their interests in a sea of power, influence, and wealth. It has always been the case that like abolitionist John Brown, that a member or a group/s in the majority has stood with the powerless or inadequate to see that justice is achieved, prevails, and flourishes.

Thank you DP for giving me a chance to highlight this exceptional point. Never do LGBTQ want to pretend that by our own hands alone has the "impossible" been made do-able!

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.143  sandy-2021492  replied to  It Is ME @4.1.126    4 months ago
No one "Studied" my family !

You are aware of the difference between "more likely to be gay" and "will definitely be gay", yes?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.144  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.139    4 months ago
Oh, so we're supposed to just ignore inequality and injustice when we see it just incase pointing it out might get the bullies more angry? What a sick and twisted attempt at logic.

*sigh*  Well when you understand logic so poorly, I'm sure it looks sick and twisted.

Contrary to popular liberal debate tactic, there are actually other options besides being totally shit at something or doing nothing.

Okay, so we're just supposed to go kick the religious conservatives asses and beat them into submission?

Rhetorically, yes.  These are the same people who have attempted to condemn us straight to hell for everything from whiskey consumption to extramarital sex to interracial marriages to letting our kids watch Disney movies (true story).

Nobody tries to argue...."but I was born to watch Pocohontas....I can't help it".  People just tell them to fuck off and mind their own business.

The only way to stop a bully is for not only the victim to stand up to them but everyone who sees the bullying to do the same, to show the bully they are the minority and they are the problem, not the kid getting picked on.

Nobody can bully you without your permission. You don't need a committee to come to your rescue.  That's the weakness talking again.

Accepting who and what you were born is the foundation to knowing ones self.

Does that "acceptance" include desperately pretending scientific studies say things they don't?  

The predators have been attacking the lgtbq community for centuries if not longer. 

Yes.  And predators attack those they perceive to be weak.

Those supporting gay rights did not create the need for protecting gay rights

We're not talking about protecting rights.  That's the fantasy that the "protectors" convince themselves they're living.  Rights are not dependent upon your condition at birth, so it makes not one iota of difference if people are born gay or not. 

What a laugh. You act as if it was like they were just deciding whether to wear a blue shirt or a red one, it's just their "preference".

Yes.  Exactly.  Why would that be so bad?

Yet you are so indoctrinated to follow liberal dogma over actual science that you can't even bring yourself to consider this eventuality.  Do at least attempt to operate with an open mind.  Despite decades of research, there is no science to prove that sexual preference is any more than that.  

Why are you so desperate to believe that being gay is so terrible nobody would ever do it willingly?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.145  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.1.140    4 months ago
I lived a relatively golden experience, because like you suggest I did not let too many people get the upper hand on telling me who and what I could do or 'get away' with.

We need a "thumbs up" emoji for statements like this.

So Jack_TX, a long-story shortened: Homosexuals are carving out their own way in society today.

And this.

So excuse us who lived it, while we change how the world deals with us in the way we know how.

That's a very well put, very wise statement.

My "advice" is targeted more toward angry liberal straight people who manage to presume you're inferior without even knowing they're doing it.

I do hope you find today's America a better place than it used to be.

If all goes well, we will soon have a couple of generations of the freedoms you came up under and flourished in as a norm we can look back on and be calmly and less apprehensive about it

Well let's do our best to insure it goes well.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.146  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.145    4 months ago

Interesting, and I see you Jack_Tx through all of that. Your point is not lost on me. (Smile.) Yes, I have lived through then and now, and NOW is better.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.147  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.144    4 months ago
Why are you so desperate to believe that being gay is so terrible nobody would ever do it willingly?

Nice fucking straw man argument.  The individual you're replying to never said, "being gay is so terrible nobody would ever do it willingly?"

And you stated:

Yet you are so indoctrinated to follow liberal dogma over actual science that you can't even bring yourself to consider this eventuality.

I'm still laughing at that stupid talking point.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.148  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.145    4 months ago
My "advice" is targeted more toward angry liberal straight people who manage to presume you're inferior without even knowing they're doing it.

I have no idea what that statement was supposed to mean since there was no "advice" in your comment.

I'm a liberal heterosexual and I do NOT think gay people are inferior.  I think most people who think homosexuals are inferior are members of the religious right.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.1.149  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.144    4 months ago
Despite decades of research, there is no science to prove that sexual preference is any more than that.  

"Stop Saying “Sexual Preference”

"You may mean well, but it makes you sound ignorant."

" You’re more than entitled to continue using “sexual preference” right alongside “the gay lifestyle” or “avowed homosexual” or whatever term you’d like to broadcast just how dense you really are. Just know that it’s simply flat-out  incorrect   to refer to a person’s sexual orientation as a “preference.” More than that, it’s dangerous."

"It is a " quietly toxic expression. That’s because the very construct of a preference, or the verb “to prefer,” implies that the individual has a choice, that there are options available and yet, all else being equal and as a matter of taste, really, the person would rather “this one” over “that one.” Think how bizarre it would sound if we were to apply the same language to any other unalterable biological trait. “Suit yourself, and to each his own,” we might reason, “but my preference is to have hands this size, not that size.” Or perhaps, “It’s perfectly fine to go with a darker birthmark on your leg, I just preferred to get mine on my arm, and in this lighter shade of brown, too.” In fact, while we’re on skin color, this flawed logic would, of course, also extend to a person’s opting to be black, white, Asian, or any other race or ethnicity as a preference."

"If there’s anything that the science of sexuality has taught us over the past few decades, it’s that human beings have little—if any—conscious control over what arouses them. That’s the case for men and women, gay, straight, or bi. Therefore, to say that one has a preference for males over females, or females over males, makes little sense, since it gives the impression that one had every opportunity to choose what to be turned on by. A straight man who is aroused by beautiful women may wonder how gay men could possibly “prefer” men instead, but from a gay man’s perspective, those beautiful women aren’t even an option—they’re in an entirely different, non-erotic category altogether."

https://slate.com/technology/2013/06/sexual-preference-is-wrong-say-sexual-orientation-instead.html

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.150  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.149    4 months ago
"Stop Saying “Sexual Preference”

Perhaps he uses that phrase because because he's "asexual" and prefers not having sex.

Or maybe his confusion stems from a being "bisexual" who has made a conscience decision to avoid same sex relationships.

Butt quite possibly he refuses to admit that someone can born with a homosexual orientation because it's his political talking point.

I wonder if he can "pray his politics away". 

 
 
 
CB
4.1.151  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.149    4 months ago
A straight man who is aroused by beautiful women may wonder how gay men could possibly “prefer” men instead, but from a gay man’s perspective, those beautiful women aren’t even an option—they’re in an entirely different, non-erotic category altogether."

An expedient way I am aware of to determine sexual orientation is to establish what gender appears in one's "wet" dreams. People can test this theory easily on themselves. What/who is the "turn on" in one's dreams?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.152  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.151    4 months ago
An expedient way I am aware of to determine sexual orientation is to establish what gender appears in one's "wet" dreams.

Uh-oh.

I once dreamed about fucking a robot.

I must be a "robosexual".

 
 
 
CB
4.1.153  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.152    4 months ago

HA!

The operative words are, "'wet" dreams,' plural. Al Jizzerror! How many robots are there, again? Carry on, now.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.154  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.153    4 months ago
How many robots

Geez.  It wasn't a robo orgy.

I was just a teenager and I had been reading an Isaac Asimov novel that week.

Butt I get lots of robocalls, so I think the fucking robots are still hitting on me.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.155  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.144    4 months ago
People just tell them to fuck off and mind their own business.

It's a lot easier to do when there weren't laws against whiskey consumption, extramarital sex, and so forth within recent memory.  Would you have told an interracial couple who wished to marry in the pre-Loving vs. Virginia south to just marry anyway, and tell opponents to fuck off?  Would you tell them the crosses burning in their front yard was just bullying for which they had given permission?

Why do you insist that those who acknowledge the existence of anti-LGBTQ bigotry are the bigots, rather than the ones who have enforced anti-LGBTQ laws and policies?  They're acknowledging a difference in circumstances, not a difference in the value of the person in those circumstances.  You seem unable to tell the difference.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.156  cobaltblue  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.1.97    4 months ago
This is medical science. Furthermore, homosexuality occurs in almost all forms of life at about the same rate as it occurs in humans. 

It sure does. 

Sphen and Magic - Penguins

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.157  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.147    4 months ago
I'm still laughing at that stupid talking point.

Holy shit ... me too~!!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.158  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.150    4 months ago
I wonder if he can "pray his politics away".

Oooh. Wonder if there's a "pray the idiocy away" establishment? 

 
 
 
CB
4.1.159  CB   replied to  cobaltblue @4.1.156    4 months ago

Interesting. There's that song: "Impossible. . . things are happening everrryyy dayyyyy."

(Never thought I would see the day when. . . . Wonders never cease.)

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.160  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.144    4 months ago
Nobody can bully you without your permission. You don't need a committee to come to your rescue.  That's the weakness talking again.

That's bullshit. Victims of bullying aren't volunteering OR acquiescing. They aren't at fault.

Bullies don't pick on bigger or stronger victims and they rarely act alone. Bullies WANT an audience. Part of what bolsters their fragile egos is to be cheered by their minions. Then there's the witnesses that watch it happen and do or say nothing and the effect that has on them AND the victim. 

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.161  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.136    4 months ago

So your posit is that gay people need to react with violence? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.162  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @4.1.160    4 months ago
That's bullshit. Victims of bullying aren't volunteering OR acquiescing. They aren't at fault.

Bullying is intimidation and/or coercion.  Every person can choose not to be intimidated or coerced.  

Bullies don't pick on bigger or stronger victims and they rarely act alone. Bullies WANT an audience. Part of what bolsters their fragile egos is to be cheered by their minions.

True.  They're generally cowards who want to hide the fact.

Then there's the witnesses that watch it happen and do or say nothing

Sadly, cowardice is not uncommon.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.163  Jack_TX  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.155    4 months ago
It's a lot easier to do when there weren't laws against whiskey consumption, extramarital sex, and so forth within recent memory.

There are STILL places in America where whiskey consumption is illegal.  Homosexuality is legal everywhere.  Marijuana is illegal in most of the United States.  Yet pot smokers seem to feel quite confident telling Baptist busybodies to fuck off.

  Would you have told an interracial couple who wished to marry in the pre-Loving vs. Virginia south to just marry anyway, and tell opponents to fuck off?

You're conflating the discussion about rights...which have now been established by SCOTUS ruling for both interracial and same sex marriages...with acceptance or whatever it is people hope to achieve with this whole misguided "born this way" assertion.

However the concept of using an aggressive game plan still holds.  When a law is passed that violates your rights, don't protest.  Don't petition.  Those are acts of weakness.  Follow the example of powerful people.  When they want to protect their rights, they sue.  It's worth noting that the right to both same sex and interracial marriages were decided when somebody sued.

  Would you tell them the crosses burning in their front yard was just bullying for which they had given permission?

Let's make sure we get our terminology right.  Burning a cross in someone's yard is vandalism.  So is painting a swastika on a synagogue.  Bullying is intimidation and/or coercion.  People do not have a choice about whether their property is vandalized.  They do have a choice about whether or not they will be intimidated or coerced.  

Why do you insist that those who acknowledge the existence of anti-LGBTQ bigotry are the bigots, rather than the ones who have enforced anti-LGBTQ laws and policies?

You're misquoting me.  I don't believe gay people to be a different race or species.  Therefore I don't accept the idea of bigotry in association with this issue.  That's a liberal melodrama term that they've overused to the point where it's meaningless.

  They're acknowledging a difference in circumstances, not a difference in the value of the person in those circumstances.  You seem unable to tell the difference.

You seem unable to tell the difference between what the defenders intend to communicate and what they actually communicate.  Here's a hint:  what they intend to communicate doesn't actually matter.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.164  Jack_TX  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.149    4 months ago
"Stop Saying “Sexual Preference” "You may mean well, but it makes you sound ignorant."

You're using "Slate" as an arbiter of intelligence or scientific knowledge.....  Oh for fuck's sake.

Will you next be using Donald Trump as the authority on honesty?  Will you get your financial advice from "Men's Fitness"?   

One more time........... TRY.  Very hard.   To open.....your.....mind.  

At the very least it is possible that sexual attraction is simply a preference we develop over time.  The actual fact is that the science supports that idea more than it supports heredity.

Ask yourself....if science does someday definitively prove that sexual preference is 100% decided based on some outside influence having nothing to do with prenatal development.... why would that be so terrible?  What actual difference would it make?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.165  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.150    4 months ago
Perhaps he uses that phrase because because he's "asexual" and prefers not having sex.

Or maybe his confusion stems from a being "bisexual" who has made a conscience decision to avoid same sex relationships.

Butt quite possibly he refuses to admit that someone can born with a homosexual orientation because it's his political talking point.

I wonder if he can "pray his politics away". 

Perhaps you suggest these things because you cannot fathom another possibility besides the one you've adopted as religious dogma.

Or maybe your confusion stems from your inability to process what scientific research actually does or doesn't say.

But quite possibly you either lack the intellectual capacity or are simply too intellectually lazy to absorb information that would challenge your own talking point.

I'll pray for your intellectual development, albeit probably not very optimistically.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.166  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @4.1.161    4 months ago
So your posit is that gay people need to react with violence? 

Only in self defense in the event they are physically attacked.

My position is that they need to decide once and for all that "Jethro" and "Ellie May" et al are not likely to change their minds and not worth the effort it would take to make that happen anyway.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.1.167  sandy-2021492  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.163    4 months ago
I don't believe gay people to be a different race or species.  Therefore I don't accept the idea of bigotry in association with this issue.

Well, I guess if you define bigotry extremely narrowly, bigotry looks a lot less common.  Of course, there is always the risk of looking desperate to avoid acknowledging bigotry.

Same with bullying.

Here's a hint:  what they intend to communicate doesn't actually matter.

Of course it does.  It also matters that others will dishonestly attempt to twist what they intend to communicate in order to vilify them.  Such efforts should be called out.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.168  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.165    4 months ago
Perhaps you suggest these things because you cannot fathom another possibility besides the one you've adopted as religious dogma.

Perhaps I don't believe in any "religious dogma" since I'm an atheist.  It's those whose want to call a homosexual's sexual identity a choice or a preference who have religious reasons based on their dogma.

You have chosen to ignore the FACT that, based on MRIs and PET scans, homosexual brains differ from scans of heterosexual brain scans.

I don't have a religious dogma but I did express my opinion about transsexuality (and homosexuality) in this article (which you probably haven't bothered to read).  Bear in mind that the focus of my article is transsexuality.

There is nothing wrong with being transsexual.   Nor is there anything wrong with being attracted to transsexuals.   There is nothing wrong with being lesbian, bisexual, gay, transsexual or questioning (or “queer”).  People should be accepted as equal regardless of their gender identity.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.169  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.168    4 months ago
Perhaps I don't believe in any "religious dogma" since I'm an atheist.

You certainly have a religious level commitment to inconclusive science.

You have chosen to ignore the FACT that, based on MRIs and PET scans, homosexual brains differ from scans of heterosexual brain scans.

Are you even putting in the basic effort to read the posts?  Or did you miss the FACT that none of the brain structure research is pre-natal?  Do you understand what that means?  Is the brain currently in your head unchanged from the day you were born, or has it developed at least a little along the way?  Are you unable to imagine any post birth influences on brain development?  Are you able to understand the irony of that situation?

I don't have a religious dogma but I did expressmy opinionabout transsexuality (and homosexuality) in this article (which you probably haven't bothered to read).  Bear in mind that the focus of my article istranssexuality.

I have read your article much more carefully than you appear to have read my comments.

Let me summarize the points for you, as they seem to be causing you trouble:

  1. Whether or not people are born gay or transgender has yet to be proven scientifically one way or the other.
  2. Whether or not people are born gay or transgender makes zero difference regarding the rights to which they are entitled under the US Constitution.

Now...what about those two highly factual positions do you find so threatening as to warrant use of personal attack?

I am willing to accept whichever outcome the science eventually proves.  Why aren't you? 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.170  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  sandy-2021492 @4.1.167    4 months ago
Well, I guess if you define bigotry extremely narrowly , bigotry looks a lot less common.

Let's check a couple of dictionaries for the real definition of "bigotry".

bigotry

[ big - uh -tree ]

noun, plural big·ot·ries.

1.  stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.
2.  the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot .
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bigotry

noun

1 : obstinate or intolerant devotion to one's own opinions and prejudices : the state of mind of a bigot

2 : acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot
***********************************************************

bigotry

If a person is intolerant of other ideas, races, or religions, we call that person a bigot. The intolerance expressed by that bigot is called bigotry . Bigotry is ugly.

There are different types of bigotry — like religious bigotry or racist bigotry. Although bigotry can mean any form of intolerance or prejudice, when the word is used alone, it is most often understood to mean racial bigotry. The bigotry behind Jim Crow laws that separated races in the 1950s seems unbelievable to most modern teenagers.

https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/bigotry

Obviously, bigotry is not always about race, although there are ignorant people who think bigotry has to pertain to race.

As I pointed out in my article, some people are bigots about gender identity.  They like to denigrate transsexuality.

And apparently some people are bigots about sexual orientation too.  They like to denigrate homosexuality. 

Bigots should be called out.  It's too bad the site prevents that.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.171  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.169    4 months ago
use of personal attack?

I have NOT used a personal attack.  I have merely pointed out that some of your comments are ridiculous.

Prenatal brain scans are NOT feasible so that's the only evidence you will accept.  I think that position is fucking hilarious.

I accept the opinions of homosexuals.  Most of them are convinced they were born that way.  Why do you presume that they're lying?

If you read my article you should know that the topic I focused on was transsexuality yet you seem to be completely focused on homosexuality.

Maybe you should write you own article about homosexuality instead of hijacking this thread.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.1.172  Jack_TX  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.171    4 months ago
I have NOT used a personal attack.

@ 4.1.150    

Well...maybe your confusion stems from you being asexual. Or bisexual.  Or your politics addle your brain.

I have merely pointed out that some of your comments are ridiculous.

The science supports my comments....i.e. there is no proof one way or another.  What part of that science do you dispute?

Prenatal brain scans are NOT feasible so that's the only evidence you will accept. 

If you only have scans of adults....you have no information about the structure of their brains at birth, therefore you can make no assertions about how they were born.  I'm not sure how that requires explanation.  

I accept the opinions of homosexuals.  Most of them are convinced they were born that way.

Most Presbyterians think they were born predestined for salvation and Heaven.  Do you believe them, too?  

Why do you presume that they're lying?

Do you understand the difference between "lying' and "mistaken", or more accurately... "misled"?

If you read my article you should know that the topic I focused on was transsexuality yet you seem to be completely focused on homosexuality.

No, it's just that the research everybody cites generally deals with homosexuals instead of TG people.  This whole side tangent started when somebody claimed that transexuals are "born that way".  I pointed out that there isn't any proof of that, other people jumped on about gay people, and the conversation wound on from there.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.173  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.172    4 months ago
If you only have scans of adults....you have no information about the structure of their brains at birth, therefore you can make no assertions about how they were born.  I'm not sure how that requires explanation. 

Scans show that the brains of male homosexuals more closely resemble the brains of females than they resemble the brains of heterosexual males.  So I suppose you think that was their "choice" and they somehow modified their brains after they were born.  Yeah, that sounds legit.  It certainly more "scientific" than believing homosexuals who say they were born that way.

Do you understand the difference between "lying' and "mistaken", or more accurately... "misled"?

What makes you think a homosexual who says he was born that way is "mistaken" or has been misled?

I think you need to watch more Disney content.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.174  cobaltblue  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.121    4 months ago
but really I'm just supremely indifferent about sexual activity other than my own.   

Oh please. Your commentary here screams otherwise. Good grief. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.175  cobaltblue  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.162    4 months ago
Every person can choose not to be intimidated or coerced.  

Wait. What? Well, hell. Somebody should have told this blind kid that. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.1.176  cobaltblue  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.172    4 months ago
Or your politics addle your brain.

This article is about transsexualism. But since your statement opened the door for politics, let's see whose "brain is more addled." (Your words, not mine.)

Your politician of choice openly lusts for his daughter, pays off hookers, panders to his supporters' ignorance. He's a crook, liar, cheater and, more importantly, a traitor and there is video and audio evidence of such. He early on realized most of his supporters are thinly veiled racists and played on their bigotry. He also relies on evangelical support knowing there's not a lot of thought process among those ranks. They're just as bigoted when it comes to sexuality.

Bigotry of anything ... race, sexuality, religion ... is nothing but fear and abject feelings of inadequacy. Bigotry is used as a "lift" for insecure, fearful and ignorant people who need to feel superior to something. Why else would anyone feel the need to "judge" anyone for anything that would not and could affect the bigot's life. 

Name-calling and derogatory nicknaming are also for the weak and intellectually impotent. Most Trump supporters think civility is for losers. Trump's not even good at being a loser. He's fucking up the republican party and it will take decades to restore. He's called his supporters idiots and they're too deplorably stupid to recognize it. The right in general has lost credibility and they've certainly lost their moral compass. It doesn't take Disney to make that apparent. Criminey ... I wouldn't want any kid to watch any of Trump's rallies. 

Well...maybe your confusion stems from you being asexual. Or bisexual.

While your sentence indicates that someone hit a nerve of yours since it makes absolutely no sense and is meant as some sort of insult, I will address it. You are in the midst of many sapiosexual women here. Women for whom intellect, wit and wisdom are a means of stimulation. We can tell the difference between real intellect and someone striving for the appearance of it. I wouldn't care if al was bisexual, and I know that without a doubt al is NOT asexual. But of course you know that. al is hotter than hot. And I can assure you, I'm not alone in thinking that. 

Now stop feigning that you don't care about what other people do. We can see by your commentary you do care.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.177  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.162    3 months ago
Every person can choose not to be intimidated or coerced.  

Untrue Jack. Domestic violence and school bullying data proves that to be false. 

Your pretense that all a victim needs to do is suck it up and fight back utterly ignores reality. The fact that bullying can cause [coerce] a normally peaceful person to react violently proves that being intimidated isn't a choice. 

Kicking the shit out of a bully doesn't guarantee that the bully will change his/her ways either. I know from experience that many bullies just look for more vulnerable targets in the future. It's telling that many abusive men [bullies] are sweet as pie until after they marry their victim. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.178  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @4.1.176    3 months ago
Bigotry of anything ... race, sexuality, religion ... is nothing but fear and abject feelings of inadequacy. Bigotry is used as a "lift" for insecure, fearful and ignorant people who need to feel superior to something. Why else would anyone feel the need to "judge" anyone for anything that would not and could affect the bigot's life. 

He seems to think bigotry is always about race.  Here's one of his humorous statements:

I don't believe gay people to be a different race or species.  Therefore I don't accept the idea of bigotry in association with this issue.  That's a liberal melodrama term that they've overused to the point where it's meaningless.

Jews are not a different "race or species" either so he probably doesn't think Hitler was a bigot.

People who think sexual orientation is a "preference" are probably bisexual.  Heterosexuals are attracted to the opposite sex.  Homosexuals are attracted to are attracted to their own sex.  Since bisexuals are attracted to both sexes, they can choose to have a homosexual relationship (or not).  So bisexuals probably think homosexuality is a choice.

Most homosexuals say the were Born This Way.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.179  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.166    3 months ago
My position is that they need to decide once and for all that "Jethro" and "Ellie May" et al are not likely to change their minds and not worth the effort it would take to make that happen anyway.

That's an interesting posit because my position is the same, for a completely different reason. 

Bible thumpers oft proclaim that it's their duty to witness and to call out gay people for not towing the line, allegedly for their own good. To the contrary, I don't think most of them give a shit about gay peoples souls, I think they just want to spew their ideology and force their judgement on others. 

It was all good until gay people started to have the audacity to come out in the open and refused to slink along the woodwork in the dark. As long as they remained easy targets and the cops and thugs could harass them at will, they were playing their part in the patriarchy, which needs SOMEONE on the bottom to put it's boot on. 

The consensus of the patriarchy seems to be that the Ls, Gs and Bs may have won their rights under the Constitution but they're drawing the line @ transsexuals. It's just a bridge too far. 

Not that the states aren't going to fight tooth and nail to claw back any gains by the LGBT community. They have and are continuing to dump as may caveats into state law as possible.

You're right, they'll keep insisting that only heterosexual Christian males have inalienable rights.  

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.180  Dulay  replied to  Jack_TX @4.1.169    3 months ago
Let me summarize the points for you, as they seem to be causing you trouble: Whether or not people are born gay or transgender makes zero difference regarding the rights to which they are entitled under the US Constitution.

Oh but it DOES and you can't deny that FACT. We are only entitled to what the SCOTUS has ruled that we are. While the SCOTUS has ruled on marriage, they haven't ruled on a myriad of other rights and that leaves the door open for discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. 

There are states all over this country the treat gay and transgender people as 'less than'. States all over the country as we speak are passing legislation that denies gay and transgender Americans equal rights. Trump just changed the rules to deny transgender troopers and sailors to serve openly. 

So while the concept of your statement is laudable and legally true, it isn't a FACT in this country and religious animus has overshadowed attempts to make inroads. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.181  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dulay @4.1.177    3 months ago

Is he suggesting that the victim of bullying should be blamed for the bully's behavior?

Every person can choose not to be intimidated or coerced.

So if some poor kid gets bullied in school it was his choice?

That's just fucking stupid.  Nobody wants to be bullied.

 
 
 
CB
4.1.182  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.178    3 months ago

Okay: Didn't see that coming. Quite -  Weird Al Yokovich - huh?

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.183  Dulay  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.181    3 months ago
Is he suggesting that the victim of bullying should be blamed for the bully's behavior?

That's what it sounds like to me butt I'll wait to see if Jack choses to clarify. 

So if some poor kid gets bullied in school it was his choice?
That's just fucking stupid.  Nobody wants to be bullied.

My sister was a bully and there was many a time when I had to take things into my own hands to keep her from hurting people and animals. Once, she came running to get my protection when a group of girls were after her for pouring glue on one little girls hair [remember that weird brown stuff with the rubber tip?]. I told the girls to line up and they could have at her one at a time but no gang bang. Even though my sister was much bigger, they lined up like ducks...I took three of them to finally knock her on her ass but after that she wasn't so fucking cocky. The girl with the glue in her hair never threw a punch.

When she started in on animals I nipped that shit in the bud and warned her that my wrath would have no end if I ever found out she hurt another animal. Ironically, she married a guy who turned out to be abusive. 

I don't communicate with my sister but I know enough about her to realize that the ass kicking didn't change her mind or her ways. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.184  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.182    3 months ago
Weird Al Yokovich - huh?

Lady Gaga was too obvious.

And Weird Al is much funnier.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.185  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dulay @4.1.183    3 months ago
I'll wait to see if Jack choses to clarify.

You must be an optimist.

Were you born that way?

 
 
 
CB
4.1.186  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.184    3 months ago

Al let Ga-Ga 'have it'!!!  I remember when he let  Michael Jackson's "Beat It"  have it. If I thought that was rough: this one is "Yes Ga-ga, No Ma'am"!!!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.1.187  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.1.186    3 months ago
I remember when he let  Michael Jackson's "Beat It"  have it.

Yeah.

Weird Al did Eat It.  It was great!

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.188  Dulay  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.1.185    3 months ago
You must be an optimist. Were you born that way?

I may have been butt I'm too old for that delusion now. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago
They can use the public bathrooms of their biological genders until they get gender reassignment surgery.

512

 
 
 
CB
4.2.1  CB   replied to  Split Personality @4.2    4 months ago

You get it! That is what I was trying to convey in an 'unartful' way @4.5 below. Thanks, SP! Gender neutral bathrooms help with the unspoken "question" a lot I'd imagine.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
4.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @4.2.1    4 months ago
Gender neutral bathrooms help with the unspoken "question" a lot I'd imagine.

Gender neutral bathrooms are a great idea.

Unfortunately that's not enough for some people.

 
 
 
katrix
4.2.3  katrix  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.2    4 months ago
Unfortunately that's not enough for some people.

While I think they are the solution here, I have to admit I prefer women-only bathrooms because some men have a tendency to pee all over the bathroom ;)  Although ... I have seen more than a few stalls in the ladies' room where women have peed all over the seat. And I can't quite figure out how that is possible unless they are not just hovering, but actually squatting with their feet on the toilet.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  katrix @4.2.3    4 months ago
I have seen more than a few stalls in the ladies' room where women have peed all over the seat. And I can't quite figure out how that is possible unless they are not just hovering, but actually squatting with their feet on the toilet.

That is exactly what they are doing and I think that it's disgusting. I have gotten to the point where I won't use a public bathroom unless I have to, or they have paper seat covers. 

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.5  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.4    4 months ago

I never use a public bathroom never and I can stand to pee.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
4.2.6  sandy-2021492  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.4    4 months ago
I have gotten to the point where I won't use a public bathroom unless I have to, or they have paper seat covers. 

Have you ever flown out of O'Hare?  The toilets there have a plastic film that covers the seats, and it automatically replaces itself every time the toilet is flushed.  I'm sure it isn't environmentally correct, but it sure does make me feel better about using a public restroom.

 
 
 
charger 383
4.2.7  charger 383  replied to  Split Personality @4.2    4 months ago

I fear this issue will cause the return of Pay Toilets

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.8  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  charger 383 @4.2.7    4 months ago
the return of Pay Toilets

Pay toilets are evil.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @4.2.3    4 months ago
'I have seen more than a few stalls in the ladies' room where women have peed all over the seat.'

Ellen Degeneres did a bit in one of her comedy routines about that.  It was flipping hilarious.  

Have you ever not looked before you leaped and sat and got your butt wet?  Freaking disgusting.  

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.2.10  cobaltblue  replied to  katrix @4.2.3    4 months ago
I prefer women-only bathrooms

True dat. I wouldn't mind a transgender woman in any bathroom I use. We're all behind closed doors no matter what we empty. Although no woman gives a damn at a sports venue where the line to the use the ladies room wraps itself around the building and there's no one waiting to use the men's room. I've seen ladies dressed to the nines that wouldn't be caught dead in any department store they consider less than Saks run into the men's room at a sports venue faster than Flo Jo (may she rest in peace). 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.11  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @4.2.10    4 months ago
I wouldn't mind a transgender woman in any bathroom I use.

When North Cacalacky passed HB-2 (to require a birth certificate to pee in the ladies room), the Republican argument was that the law would protect women from being molested by transsexuals.  After extensive research, the Democrats said they could not find a single incidence of a transsexual assaulting anyone in a bathroom.

It was just another example of the Republicans "protecting people" from a non-existent threat.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.12  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.11    4 months ago

Right. There is no need to escalate the fear factor. Or, to deny people decency, civil rights, and a place in regular society. Furthermore, just tell people what the rules are upfront. That way everybody can agree-disagree-and know the difference!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.13  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.2.12    4 months ago
Furthermore, just tell people what the rules are upfront.

The fucking Republicans love to employ "double speak".

When they proposed laws to make same sex marriage illegal they called it "the marriage protection act".  It should have been called the marriage restriction act.

Republicans thought Obama would take their guns, force them to have abortions, institute Sharia Law and make everyone marry homosexuals.  It was just fucking idiotic propaganda.

 
 
 
CB
4.2.14  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.13    4 months ago

Right. Republicans fail to see the gold medal winner who wants, needs to make his golden years bearable for him; instead they choose to remember the man and reject the dress. Nowadays, it is the dress that informs the story about this woman who came to be.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.15  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @4.2.14    4 months ago
needs to make his golden years bearable for him

The Donald needs golden showers too (that's a pisser).

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
4.2.16  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.15    4 months ago
The Donald needs golden showers too

He likely has believed for years that the only way to get his light golden yellow hair color is to have underage Russian prostitutes urinate on it... The tape the Russians have is just dirty Donald at the hair salon getting his hair colored...

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.17  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.2.16    4 months ago
He likely has believed for years that the only way to get his light golden yellow hair color is to have underage Russian prostitutes urinate on it.

Yes, he advocates the "trickle down" theory.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago
So long as no one is trying to force their sexual orientation on anyone else let them be.

Great statement. Although the threat is more from those who aren't as evolved as you are. There are some for which transsexualism obsession only indicates they're, as one very wise NTer put it, titillated by chicks with dicks. Wish I would have said it. I can guarantee anyone who's that obsessed with it has trans porn in their trunk on top of their spare tire and in the very back recesses of their "closet." 

 
 
 
Tacos!
4.4  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago
So long as no one is trying to force their sexual orientation on anyone else let them be.

I have to say that the only time I've seen that is when straight people are trying to "fix" someone. Simply being "out" about your orientation or identity is not forcing anything on anyone.

 
 
 
CB
4.5  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago

I have been observing "gender neutral" public restrooms with locks on the door for individual privacy, I am not bothered by this. Although, I know this can not work well in highly trafficked areas.

But seriously, the problem you mention can be disturbing to both men, women, boys, and girls - if the facade or 'facing' is not strong (well-kept) or the 'member' is trading across the lines. I will explain what I mean by the latter a bit later in the comments section. In other words, what is a man, woman, boy, or girl supposed to do:

  1. If these folks can see pass the transsexual veneer?
  2. If the heterosexual can see to the the 'soul' of the individual - accept and understand - continue on as if nothing is out of place?
  3. Or, turn and walk out of the public facilities until the question is moot (departs)?

Note - this is an odd comment coming from me, a homosexual male by nature. And, I realize it. However, what I think is we need some straight-talk, no pun intended, about the 'new' transsexualism in our midst. And that includes homosexual males as well.

More from me (as I lay out my 'story') in this section.

One last thing, forgive me, if in my ignorance of this topic, if I come off coarse, uninformed, or 'backwards' - I am a "work in progress," and am teachable.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
5  Trout Giggles    4 months ago

Hey, Al. Glad you posted this. I miss Veronikka.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @5    4 months ago
Glad you posted this.

I have a feeling that some of the people who should read this are afraid of the message.

I miss Veronikka.

I miss Veronikka too.  I'm sure Veronikka could have written a vastly superior article on this subject.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6  It Is ME    4 months ago

Hormone shots suck for cows !

Hormone shots are better for humans !

Do treated humans still Eat cows ?

Dumb Humans. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  It Is ME @6    4 months ago

Hormones are not all created equally. 

Humans take hormones all the time. Birth control, menopause, body building, to reduce inflammation. Just FYI.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 months ago

Just don't eat anything injected with hormones'. It's BAD for you ! jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

So much for "Porn" acting. They're killing themselves every time they perform. jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
6.1.2  Ender  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.1    4 months ago

They took the blue pill.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
6.1.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @6.1.1    4 months ago
"Porn" acting. They're killing themselves every time they perform.

Stop watching snuff films.

 
 
 
It Is ME
6.1.4  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @6.1.3    4 months ago
Stop watching snuff films.

Oh.....like you don't. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    4 months ago

Good article. Solid points, well expressed.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
8.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Tacos! @8    4 months ago
Good article.

Thanx!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
9  cobaltblue    4 months ago
Today, signs that we are entering a more hopeful era for transgender people are flourishing. Last year, Americans enthusiastically supported Chaz (nee Chastity) Bono as an openly transgender dancing contestant on national television. Hollywood film director ("The Matrix") Lana (nee Larry) Wachowski was celebrated in the press for sharing her painful past of growing up transgender.

In addition, more studies are exploring treatment for transgender people who seek it, as well as ways to combat the discrimination many still face. Plus, many universities — Brown, Cornell, Harvard, Princeton and Yale among them — are starting to   offer health insurance plans   that include coverage for hormone therapy or gender-reassignment surgery for transgender students, a move unheard of just six years ago .

APA and other groups have increased their advocacy on behalf of transgender people as well. In 2008, APA's Council of Representatives adopted its Resolution on Transgender, Gender Identity and Gender Expression Nondiscrimination to support full equality and "the legal and social recognition of transgender individuals consistent with their gender identity and expression." The resolution also recognized the benefit and necessity of gender transition treatments for some people and called on insurance providers to cover these treatments when professional evaluations deemed them medically necessary.

Now, being transgender is being acknowledged as "part of the human condition," says lore m. dickey, PhD, visiting assistant professor at University of Southern Mississippi, who studies the area.

APA cite

Transgender and transsexual individuals are not lacking in courage. I applaud and admire anyone who remains true to themselves and refuse to let judgmental assholes dictate their lives. Why people would even care makes me question why. 

 
 
 
Dulay
9.1  Dulay  replied to  cobaltblue @9    3 months ago

In 1972, I roomed for a while with two transgender women. One worked as a drag queen and the other worked as a bartender at a gay bar. They were two of the bravest people I have ever known. Both were over 6' and had a bitch of a time getting heals that fit. They would get heckled by some men and cat called by others but they always kept their chin up, chest out and carried on. They were a marvel to watch and I looked up to the courage they showed against all odds.  

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10  Just Jim NC TttH    4 months ago

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katrix
10.1  katrix  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @10    4 months ago

Clearly, you care enough to make snide comments.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
10.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @10.1    4 months ago

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Gordy327
11  Gordy327    4 months ago

I have to wonder: in this day and age, why would anyone care about someone's sexual orientation and/or gender identity? What does it matter whomever identifies as gay, straight, trans, ect.? It's unbelievable such things are still an issue.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
11.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gordy327 @11    4 months ago
It's unbelievable such things are still an issue.

It's only an issue if someone brings it up. You do know where and what you are commenting on right? Someone brought it up. For me, it's a non issue and just another damned "look over here! I'm a victim!" piece.

Cue the "but you took the time to comment" bullshit. I tried to inject a little outside the box humor to lighten the attitudes. Should have known better with this "audience".

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.1.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1    4 months ago
just another damned "look over here! I'm a victim!" piece.

I wrote this article.

I'm a heterosexual.

I am NOT a victim.

Did you even bother to read the article?

The article is a positive piece about tolerance not about portraying transsexuals as victims.

 
 
 
WallyW
11.1.2  WallyW  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.1.1    4 months ago
The article is a positive piece about tolerance not about portraying transsexuals as victims.

No, they are simply confused.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.1.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  WallyW @11.1.2    4 months ago
they are simply confused.

I think you are confused.

 
 
 
CB
11.1.4  CB   replied to  WallyW @11.1.2    4 months ago

No, I think they have figured out their situations as best they can.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.1.5  cobaltblue  replied to  WallyW @11.1.2    4 months ago
No, they are simply confused.

Wally, since you inevitably appear in articles merely to disparage when it's simpler to scroll on past and allow people to share ideas in a rational manner, people with whom you have nothing in common and people whom you believe to be misguided, it's seems you're confused. I didn't think we needed an exit sign here in BH. You're not going to change anyone's thought process, so it makes sense to go somewhere where you and like minded people can gather and share your own ideas and ideals. I can assure you it won't be here. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.1.6  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @11.1.5    4 months ago
you inevitably appear in articles merely to disparage when it's simpler to scroll on past and allow people to share ideas in a rational manner, people with whom you have nothing in common and people whom you believe to be misguided, it's seems you're confused.

It's amazing that even when informed:

The article is a positive piece about tolerance not about portraying transsexuals as victims.

His response is "they are simply confused".

WTF?  I think we can see who is confused.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.1.7  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.1.6    4 months ago
I think we can see who is confused.

Stevie Wonder, Ray Charles and Jose Feliciano can see who's confused. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @11.1    4 months ago
It's only an issue if someone brings it up. You do know where and what you are commenting on right? Someone brought it up. For me, it's a non issue and just another damned "look over here! I'm a victim!" piece.

I am aware of that and it really is a non-issue. I suppose the real question is, why do some people think or want to make it an issue? Why is it such a big deal for those making an issue out of something that should really be nothing. I may not be coming across clear on this. No one makes an issue about anyone being heterosexual. So why would they make an issue about someone who is not? To me, it doesn't matter. It's the same thing and is a non-issue. I hope that clarifies my point.

 
 
 
WallyW
11.2  WallyW  replied to  Gordy327 @11    4 months ago
I have to wonder: in this day and age, why would anyone care about someone's sexual orientation and/or gender identity? What does it matter whomever identifies as gay, straight, trans, ect.? It's unbelievable such things are still an issue.

If that's the case, what's the point of posting this topic.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  WallyW @11.2    4 months ago
what's the point of posting this topic.

Did you bother to read the fucking article?

You replied to my comment where I clearly stated:

The article is a positive piece about tolerance not about portraying transsexuals as victims.

If you fail to understand the topic, why are you commenting?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.2.2  cobaltblue  replied to  WallyW @11.2    4 months ago
If that's the case, what's the point of posting this topic.

Please refer to my comment 11.1.5. You've probably noticed the IQ level in this room is substantially higher than most. Again, you won't be able to change many minds into thinking that someone is 'confused' about their sexuality. Rather it's about time that people live their lives to the fullest. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Gordy327 @11    4 months ago
It's unbelievable such things are still an issue.

Gordy, you're sexually secure. [Hot!] I have never, ever, never-ever known a sexually secure man or woman to give one iota of a shit about what other consenting adults are doing. Not one. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.3.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @11.3    4 months ago
I have never, ever, never-ever known a sexually secure man or woman to give one iota of a shit about what other consenting adults are doing.

I think you're forgetting that some of us enjoy porn.

When I watch a "girl on girl on midget on goat" video, it's really just academic research because I'm curious about what that fucking goat is up to.  Is it a consenting goat?  Is it a "goat yoga" video?  Is that why goats faint?

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.3.2  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.3.1    4 months ago
Is that why goats faint?

They only faint when they're highly excited. 

Speaking of highly excited, when will you be home? 

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.3  Gordy327  replied to  cobaltblue @11.3    4 months ago
Gordy, you're sexually secure. [ Hot!]

Why thank you jrSmiley_16_smiley_image.gif

I have never, ever, never-ever known a sexually secure man or woman to give one iota of a shit about what other consenting adults are doing. Not one. 

I can't fathom why anyone else would even care in the least.

You've probably noticed the IQ level in this room is substantially higher than most.

Only because you're here cobalt jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.3.4  cobaltblue  replied to  Gordy327 @11.3.3    4 months ago
I can't fathom why anyone else would even care in the least.

I'm sapiosexual and intellect is my turn-on. Intellect and people secure with their own sexuality, which makes them stand out among those who judge others' sexuality. Those who worry about what consenting adults do behind closed doors show they've got issues of their own that they're not willing to admit. 

I reiterate. You're hot, Gordy.  

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.3.5  Gordy327  replied to  cobaltblue @11.3.4    4 months ago
I'm sapiosexual and intellect is my turn-on.

I appreciate and admire intelligence as a quality. Willful ignorance or plain stupidity is a major turn off, and just plain annoying.

I reiterate. You're hot, Gordy.  

Thank you. You are too kind. :)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gordy327 @11    4 months ago
What does it matter whomever identifies as gay, straight, trans, ect.?

Because it means they belong to something.  It may be irrelevant but they belong.

 
 
 
Gordy327
11.4.1  Gordy327  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4    4 months ago
Because it means they belong to something.  It may be irrelevant but they belong.

So? Belonging is fine. But that's not my point. Why does anyone care if someone identifies as gay, straight, trans, ect.? If I see someone on the street, I could care less how they identify. It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. But some people clearly want to make an issue of it, even going so far as to criminalize certain aspects, as we've historically seen with attempts to criminalize homosexuality or prohibit same sex marriage, just to name a couple examples.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.4.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gordy327 @11.4.1    4 months ago
Why does anyone care if someone identifies as gay, straight, trans, ect.?  If I see someone on the street, I could care less how they identify. It's a non-issue as far as I'm concerned. 

That's exactly what I've been wondering.  I really don't care what they identify as.  Like I said, it doesn't effect how I treat them.

But some people clearly want to make an issue of it, even going so far as to criminalize certain aspects, as we've historically seen with attempts to criminalize homosexuality or prohibit same sex marriage, just to name a couple examples.

That is where the real problem is.  I think, honestly, much of the country could care less.  But because these people THINK they should be treated differently it becomes a problem.  They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as.

It's really a distraction.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4.2    4 months ago
They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as.

What "special treatment" are they receiving?

 
 
 
Split Personality
11.4.4  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4.2    4 months ago
But because these people THINK they should be treated differently it becomes a problem.  They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as. It's really a distraction.

"Special treatment" my ass...

FFS JRNC, they only complain when that entity you say is "much of the country' passes laws discriminating against them to the point of where they should go to the bathroom or where they can or cannot work or which MOS they can have.

It isn't special treatment they seek, it is special treatment they do not deserve and wish to avoid from those that make the laws and those who read from pulpits deriding them.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.4.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.3    4 months ago
What "special treatment" are they receiving?

From me;  NONE.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.6  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Split Personality @11.4.4    4 months ago
It isn't special treatment they seek, it is special treatment they do not deserve and wish to avoid from those that make the laws and those read from pulpits deriding them.

Well put.

They deserve equal protection under the law (14th Amendment).

They should be able to get married and even (gasp!) be able to buy a wedding cake.

And, obviously, they should NOT be hassled about using the bathroom.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.7  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4.5    4 months ago
They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as.

Please explain why they're "upset".

And what is this "special treatment" you're talking about?

 
 
 
Ender
11.4.8  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.6    4 months ago

I can only shake my head at some arguments.

Like with the cake thing, they say, well you wouldn't make a Muslim or Jewish business make a cake that they are against.

It is almost like they don't understand the difference. One cannot make a business sell something they do not offer already. When they offer something to some and not others is the problem.

Sometimes I think some are really that dense.

The marriage thing...like someone else getting married somehow makes their marriage less and not sanctioned.

I swear, I don't think they even hear themselves at times.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.9  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @11.4.8    4 months ago
Like with the cake thing, they say, well you wouldn't make a Muslim or Jewish business make a cake that they are against.

Good timing on that comment.

There was a right-wing evangelist (who is featured on White-wing talk radio) bitching about cakes today on CNN (Chris Cuomo's show).  His ridiculous example was that you shouldn't force a Jewish bake to bake a "swastika cake".  

I doubt any baker has swastika cakes butt most bakers do sell wedding cakes.  I bet they would even sell a wedding cake to a Nazi.  They should also sell wedding cakes to be used in same sex weddings.

I've never seen a swastika cake.  What kind of event are swastika cakes for?  Maybe they're for Trump's inauguration?

Here's a cake that had Secret Service protection:

800

 
 
 
CB
11.4.10  CB   replied to  Split Personality @11.4.4    4 months ago

Here! Here! Everything in and out of reality has a classification. It is how we communicate. When you hear or see experience will govern one's reaction to it.

 
 
 
CB
11.4.11  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4.2    4 months ago
They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as.

Let's test your theory of the case. You are that young 21-ish transsexual pictured second in @12.2 and all your youthful life you have wanted to be two things as an established goal:

  1. A girl turned boy. Accomplished!
  2. A fighter pilot in service to your country. (?)

Now in the former president's America you could apply for military service and service to your country with an eye toward fly school. However, in the new administration you will answer a query on a form which seeks to know if you are or have ever been transsexual. It is a yes or no question.

You are this accomplished boy: What answer do you give?

This is the dilemma faced by the transsexual community. There classification is being IDENTIFIED for special treatment under the law. In the same manner there is no question generally ID-ing others. Questions don't often seek to screen out generally accepted people.

Of course! This young boy/man will be upset at having President Donald Trump 'rule' his life dream out of bounds. In the inverse,if your life's dream was snatched away from you by a powerful person without or with limited justification - you would be remarkably upset too.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.12  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @11.4.11    4 months ago
Now in the former president's America you could apply for military service and service to your country with an eye toward fly school. However, in the new administration you will answer a query on a form which seeks to know if you are or have ever been transsexual. It is a yes or no question.

The military used to accept transsexuals.  Trump has changed that and declared transsexuals unfit for military service.

If you have imaginary bones spurs you are also unfit for military service (Trump was 4-F) butt you can be the Commander-in-Chief.

 
 
 
Ender
11.4.13  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.9    4 months ago

Just saw that. Cuomo was easy on him.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.14  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @11.4.13    4 months ago
Cuomo was easy on him.

Cuomo should have laughed at the swastika straw man cake.

I like German chocolate cakes butt they're always round.

Butt I searched Google images and guess what?  There are a bunch of fucking swastika cakes.

800

 
 
 
Ender
11.4.15  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.14    4 months ago

Speaking of CNN, I want to see that Linda Ronstadt special. I love her.

Wouldn't it be ironic if that was chocolate cake.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.16  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @11.4.15    4 months ago
Wouldn't it be ironic if that was chocolate cake.

Did you notice the "101" candles on the cake?

George Lincoln was born March 9, 1918.

So that was his 101st birthday cake.

Shouldn't it have little burning crosses instead of candles?

 
 
 
Ender
11.4.17  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.16    4 months ago

Haha

From the looks of the cake they are not very creative.

Disgusting attire aside, the cake itself just looks absolutely gross. The red frosting looks like play-Doh.

The only talent I can see looks like it comes from drawing a swastika.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.18  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @11.4.17    4 months ago
the cake itself just looks absolutely gross.

It's a hate cake.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
11.4.19  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  al Jizzerror @11.4.7    4 months ago
Please explain why they're "upset".

How about you ask THEM why they are upset.  

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.4.20  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @11.4.19    4 months ago
How about you ask THEM why they are upset.  

That is YOUR bogus position.  YOU posted this statement ( 11.4.2   Jeremy Retired in NC ):

That is where the real problem is.  I think, honestly, much of the country could care less.  But because these people THINK they should be treated differently it becomes a problem.  They get upset when they aren't acknowledged for and receive special treatment for whatever they identify as.

"These people" do NOT want "special treatment".  They want to be treated like everyone else.

YOUR statement is totally ridiculous.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
11.4.21  cobaltblue  replied to  Split Personality @11.4.4    4 months ago
It isn't special treatment they seek, it is special treatment they do not deserve and wish to avoid

Bravo!!! Exactly!

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12  Paula Bartholomew    4 months ago

restricting transsexuals from using public bathrooms

Ten to one, they have been using them all of this time and no one even noticed.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
12.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12    4 months ago

Don't know anyone that would take that bet.

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
12.2  Ender  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12    4 months ago

That always gets me. Who the hell is looking at other people in the bathroom anyway...

Let's see, according to some these men should use the woman's room...

512

512

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @12.2    4 months ago

Are they transsexuals?

 
 
 
Ender
12.2.2  Ender  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.2.1    4 months ago

They are their true selves.

The top pic is the first trans-gendered man to be on the cover of Men's Health magazine.

 
 
 
CB
12.2.3  CB   replied to  Ender @12.2    4 months ago

Ender, I hate you. Just playing. (Smile.) Damn. Damn. Damn. When I think about my 'lost' years. . . .  The only thing that comes close to making me feel this way, to making me second guess, . .  ever posted on NT: Kavika ('way back when').

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
12.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @12.2.2    4 months ago

I think that is great.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
12.2.5  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @12.2    4 months ago
Who the hell is looking at other people in the bathroom anyway...

That there is gold, honey! Love it ... and you too. 

 
 
 
CB
12.2.6  CB   replied to  Ender @12.2.2    4 months ago

Okay Ender, I am on 'Day 2.' I HAVE to come back to this one. You need to tell us all about the second picture too! Wow!

 
 
 
CB
12.2.7  CB   replied to  Ender @12.2    4 months ago

For two days now a song has been rising up in my spirit, as I look at these two guys pictures. I think I want to be naughty and serenade the two of them. Okay. Time to cool down!

I will share the song. :

Caution: This video is highly romantic. It is mildly risque. No nudity. It is the song I am after. A tasteful production by a Youtube-r.

Going Down To Your River (Patti) LaBelle

Okay! Y'all know that I don't usually vote up my own stuff. But,. . .okay, I'm voting on this one #1.

 
 
 
CB
12.2.9  CB   replied to  Ender @12.2.8    4 months ago

“Not everyone has to show ‘signs’ to be transgender.

I'm speechless. (Fanning myself.)

 
 
 
CB
12.2.10  CB   replied to  Ender @12.2.8    4 months ago

Ender, I must admit, I would not believe it if I am not seeing it. It lends truth to a beautiful woman making a beautiful man! And, the narrow hips. . . is that testosterone? I don't know and wonder.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
12.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12    4 months ago
Ten to one, they have been using them all of this time and no one even noticed.

Perfect! Just like there's never been a gay man or woman in the military before 2015. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
13  author  al Jizzerror    4 months ago

I just noticed this (on the Front Page - Recent Groups):

We the People

123 members

666 discussions

I guess they're discussing some Satanic shit.  

That sounds interesting, butt, I'm still going to avoid their group.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
13.1  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @13    4 months ago
I'm still going to avoid their group.

Yeah. I'd like to think I'm smart enough to scroll past when I haven't the slightest inclination to or interest in stopping by. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
13.1.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @13.1    4 months ago
I'm smart enough to scroll past

Nothing to see there anyway.

I think someone may have noticed that they had 666 discussions and quickly decided to ruin it by starting a couple of new discussions.  They now have 668 discussions.

 

 
 
 
Ender
14  Ender    4 months ago

This song has been in my head ever since this article was written.

But I never thought that I'd crash so hard
Come undone fall apart
I didn't realize what I'd found
But it hit me right when I hit the ground
Screamed at me without a sound
Straight lie to say I'm surprised
Just totally stunned paralyzed
Emotionless hypnotized
Something inside of my head
Got way too good at being bad
Way too good at being bad
In place of hope
There should be fear
There's signs and signals everywhere
Transmutated
Information
Transmutating
The equation
Transmutate
No clue what exactly occurred
But the vision's fogged and the memory's blurred
I am hearing things I've never heard
Don't know how long it's been
But something new crawls under my skin
Something strange creeping in
In place of hope
There should be fear
There's signs and signals everywhere
In place of hope
There should be fear
There's signs and signals everywhere
Transmutated
Information
Transmutating
The equation
The world is eluding
The future is ruling
You are denying
Transmutation
Is consuming
Transmutate
Shape shift of a punished mind
Another broken heart beating overtime
 
 
 
CB
15  CB     4 months ago

Okay, now that I am all caught up on my commenting and reading all other comments, I want to may be get feedback on something I saw with my own eyes.

One day while shopping a transsexual male to female person came into the store I was shopping. I was in line as the individual arrived, shopped, and quickly got in line behind me. I turned acknowledged her, she me, and I turned back. No judgement.

As I made it out to the parking lot; got situated; turned on my car. A car crossed behind me, stopped at the corner side of the building, and she got out of the car, moved to the back tire, close to side of it —standing, and pulled "it" out and began to "whiZz." 

WhiZz.

I was taken aback. Not only because she had been in the store and could have used it facilities where I know are available to the public; but, moreso that she would stand and break the 'decorum' (illusion?) of herself. I was like 'Girl, please.' 

What say you all to this kind of activity? Is it "confusion" or just being real?

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
15.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  CB @15    4 months ago
What say you all to this kind of activity? Is it "confusion" or just being real?

To be fair, I've seen many either drunk or just stupid straight people pee in public, either because they were about to wet their pants (or had in fact already started pissing themselves) or because they were such an idiot they just didn't care. So removing the "trans" part of it out, it's still rude, crude and likely illegal within city limits. Being lgtbq doesn't preclude one from being a total idiot or asshole, idiots and assholes come in every flavor.

 
 
 
CB
15.1.1  CB   replied to  Dismayed Patriot @15.1    4 months ago

LOL! I get your point and of course I have seen this in real time across the board. My confusion is why is this trans-female standing and whiZzing like a man? Why not squat in a suitable manner conducive to females? It would be less confusing to onlookers (and little children) who happen by.

 
 
 
CB
16  CB     4 months ago

At my local store, there is a clerk who is female to male transformation. I saw it over the years myself. He now has the most beautiful sideburns to mustache to beard combo. Also, he is in a relationship with another male! Curious, I researched this phenomenon on the web and up pops a type of gay porn involving transsexual woman to man having vaginal sex with a  homosexual man. Here is my question:

  1. Are some transsexuals doing this for cash to complete their sex transformations?
  2. Will some transformations halt or stop; while some transsexuals enjoy this experimentation indefinitely?
  3. Is it any of my "bees-wax"?

Is this "confusion" or just being real?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
16.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @16    3 months ago
I researched this phenomenon on the web and up pops a type of gay porn involving transsexual woman to man having vaginal sex with a  homosexual man.

I used Google to do some research for this article.  I too encountered porn.  I heard a few years ago that porn was the topic that people searched for more than any other topic.  I think UFOs/aliens was the second most popular search topic.  Butt that was before the 2016 election.  I wonder what the "hot" topic is now.

 
 
 
CB
16.1.1  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @16.1    3 months ago
  • Are some transsexuals doing this for cash to complete their sex transformations?
  • Will some transformations halt or stop; will some transsexuals enjoy this experimentation indefinitely?
  • Is it any of my "bees-wax"?

Further comment desired.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
16.1.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @16.1.1    3 months ago
Are some transsexuals doing this for cash to complete their sex transformations?

I did some more research.  Yes, some transsexuals do porn to pay for the expensive procedures.

  • Will some transformations halt or stop; will some transsexuals enjoy this experimentation indefinitely?

I don't know, butt I doubt they would characterize transitioning as "experimentation".

  • Is it any of my "bees-wax"?

Some transsexuals have written about (and posted videos about) their "journey" so we can research it.  Butt threre are probably some transsexuals who consider it very private.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
16.1.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @16.1.1    3 months ago
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CB
16.1.4  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @16.1.3    3 months ago

No, I do not mean the transformation is experimentation, I am asking if 'discovery' of the acceptance of an external male appearance and female genitalia exciting enough to stop right there for a period? Not knowing how often or how much you know about this subject; I pose the question to any and all hoping for some sufficiency.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
16.1.5  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  CB @16.1.4    3 months ago
I am asking if 'discovery' of the acceptance of an external male appearance and female genitalia exciting enough to stop right there for a period?

Sorry, that's above my pay grade.

 
 
 
CB
16.1.6  CB   replied to  al Jizzerror @16.1.5    3 months ago

Understood, my friend. Understood. I don't cross paths with many transsexuals and the question is "super-sensitive" even if I do.  So, I thought I would reach out in an innocuous setting.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
17  author  al Jizzerror    3 months ago

Yesterday someone posted an anti-transsexual seed (probably in response to this positive article about transsexuals).

I clicked on the link to the seed.  The source article was published on extremely sketchy site.  When I attempted to return to the NewsTalkers seed it had magically disappeared.

I guess the seeder wanted to disparage transsexuals.  It's strange that the seeder has not commented on this article.  I just want to say that his comments are welcome on this article.  I am always happy to hear from people whose opinions differ from mine.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
17.1  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @17    3 months ago
I am always happy to hear from people whose opinions differ from mine.

Oooh. Me too!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
17.1.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @17.1    3 months ago
Oooh. Me too!

Isn't it strange that someone was motivated to publish a seed about transsexuals butt hasn't bothered to post a single comment on this article about transsexuals?

I doubt if that seeder is afraid of me.

He may be afraid that you'll fillet him with your sharp wit. 

 
 
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