Summing up the Summit

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  2 months ago  •  52 comments

Summing up the Summit
"We will be continuing to negotiate. And I promised that for at least the time being, we are not going to be lifting tariffs on China, and we won't be adding an additional, I guess we have $350bn left which could be taxed, or could be tariffed. And we're not doing that. We're going to work with China on where we left off to see if we can make a deal," Trump said at a news conference at the end of the two-day G20 Summit.

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Last week the President left for what was perhaps the most consequential trip of his Presidency. The 2019 G20 Summit was the fourteenth meeting of what is supposedly 20 key economies (the EU counting as one). This year the event was held in Osaka Japan on the 28th and 29th of June. The topics ranged from the global economy to the environment.

Nineteen of the G20 members pledged their commitment to the “full implementation” of the Paris Agreement. The US was the only member not included. Maybe the nineteen others will now be able to catch up to the US. 

At first glance the President seemed to be flaunting his prerogative. First he had a friendly meeting with the Saudi prince, Prince Mohammed, praising him for opening up Saudi Arabia.  Later the President said he asked the Crown Prince abut the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, one of the Prince's harshest critics. The President said “He’s very angry about it,” he said. “He’s very unhappy about it.” That put the US media in an ugly mood to start with, then came another meeting with Putin. As usual a reporter asked the President to openly call out the Russian leader for election meddling. The President evidently felt that if they could troll him, he could troll them. “Yes, of course I will,” he said, turning to Putin. “Don’t meddle in the election, President.” Then to rub a little salt in their wounds the President said to Putin “Get rid of them. Fake news is a great term, isn't it? You don’t have this problem in Russia, but we do.”.......Putin then said (in English) "We also have"!

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I am sure that sensitive issues such as Iran and Venezuela were discussed but there was that initial moment of Trump vs the media.

The more daunting agenda came with China. The President and Xi Jinping were able to agree to halt new trade tariffs for 90 days to allow for talks.

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"The US says China agreed to "purchase a not yet agreed upon, but very substantial, amount of agricultural, energy, industrial, and other products from the United States to reduce the trade imbalance between our two countries".

Both sides also pledged to "immediately begin negotiations on structural changes with respect to forced technology transfer, intellectual property protection, non-tariff barriers, cyber intrusions and cyber theft", the White House says.

President Trump said earlier this year he wanted to stop the "unfair transfers of American technology and intellectual property to China".

According to the US, China has also signalled it will allow a tie-up between two major semiconductor manufacturers which Chinese regulators have been blocking.

The White House statement said China was "open to approving the previously unapproved Qualcomm-NXP deal".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46413196



Then came the unexpected final act. Donald Trump would travel to South Korea and walk across the DMZ to meet with Kim Jong Un. President Trump became the only sitting President to set foot on the soil of North Korea. The two leaders then agreed to resume talks within the coming weeks.

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It has been 4 months since President Trump walked out of the Hanoi meeting. Perhaps this time the working level negotiators can get a verifiable deal on paper that will set up a plan for the de-Nuking of North Korea. The agreement most likely would take a year. The actual de-Nuking might take a decade! Maybe they could formally end the Korean War. It remains to be seen. We have come a long way from early 2017, when we were on the brink of war. In the meantime the President has reminded everyone - the sanctions will continue.



Before heading back to the US, the President made a stop at Osan Air Base, South Korea.

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"You have a presence like no other, like no others. So, as President, I have no greater honor than to serve as Commander-in-Chief of the greatest fighting force on the face of the Earth, the United States military."


They won't say it, I will - Well done Mr President!


 

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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

Potential success

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago

No link to the story?

 
 
 
Heartland American
1.1.1  Heartland American  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    2 months ago

There was a link to the part that was quoted.  The rest appears to be Vic’s own words as he seeded here. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @1.1    2 months ago

Those were my thoughts on the summit

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.2    2 months ago

Ok Vic, sorry.

 
 
 
Dulay
1.2  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    2 months ago
The more daunting agenda came with China. The President and Xi Jinping were able to agree to halt new trade tariffs for 90 days to allow for talks.

The agenda was 'daunting' Vic? it was SO 'daunting' that you posted a link to the events of the 2018 G 20 in Buenos Aires?

Those '90 days' blew past Vic. MORE sanctions were imposed by both sides since then.

Potential success? 

Really? It was SO 'daunting' that you cite the FAILED 'agreement' they made in 2018 as 'potential success'? 

Your 'opinion piece' is founded on bullshit and an utter misrepresentation of the events in G 20 in Japan. 

We have come a long way from early 2017, when we were on the brink of war.

If we were on the brink of war in early 2017, Trump took us there. Trump is an arsonist that wants credit for putting out the fire he started. 

Then of course Trump had to LIE about Obama wanting to meet with Kim. 

Ya, well done Trump, and well done Vic. You both need to misrepresent the facts to make Earth 2 look like a GREAT place to be. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @1.2    2 months ago

Your liberal talking points are duly noted. Environmentalism was not a priority of the President's at the G20 summit. If that is what you want to discuss, there are many other places to discuss it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Trump is succeeding , with about 35-40% of American adults, in turning the US presidency into a reality tv show.  Lately almost everything he does seemed to be based on getting it on tv. 

We are entering the age of ultimate stupidity on the part of a rather frighteningly large number of Americans. 

 
 
 
Heartland American
2.1  Heartland American  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

Well done Mr. President!  You did a great job at the summit and after and the markets will reflect well on your success.  

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
2.2  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
in turning the US presidency into a reality tv show. 

trumps reality show is much better than obamas, the clintons, or either of the bush's by far. 

am lookin forward to season two :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @2.2    2 months ago

May he never be cancelled!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago

The show will continue tonight when the President sits down for an interview with Tucker Carlson of Fox News at 8:PM EST

 
 
 
WallyW
2.4  WallyW  replied to  JohnRussell @2    2 months ago
We are entering the age of ultimate stupidity on the part of a rather frighteningly large number of Americans. 

Somewhere north of ~60 million of patriotic Americans agree with Trump's brilliant foreign policy successes.

The stupid ones are his critics.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.4.1  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @2.4    2 months ago
Somewhere north of ~60 million of patriotic Americans agree with Trump's brilliant foreign policy successes.

Somewhere north of 60 million is less that 50%. 


The stupid ones are his critics.

Trump loves uneducated people, he said so...

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago
 President Trump became the only sitting President to set foot on the soil of North Korea. 

awesome. another first for the books.    funny how every president before trump failed to do that.

fun fact:  Trump was also the first president to eat lunch in the forbidden city.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/07/politics/trump-forbidden-city-beijing-china/index.html


if hillary and today's lunatic left had won in 2016 we would now be at war in syria, nk, iran and russia all at once.  with millions of illegals pouring into our country at the same time.  lord knows we dodged a bullet on that nov 8th.

 
 
 
Heartland American
3.1  Heartland American  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3    2 months ago

We certainly did.  I thank God daily for that.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3    2 months ago

I may not have had lunch there, but I am standing in front of the main palace in the Forbidden City.  I wonder how many other members have had the occasion to be there.

512

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2    2 months ago
I wonder how many other members have had the occasion to be there.

I'm sure many more would like too than will ever actually have the chance.

your lucky to have seen it.      nice pic.     as a builder, I admire the architecture.


I wonder how many other members have surfed every ocean on the planet.

 but as I know the answer is none... why bother asking?  (rhetorical)

so are ya trying to make some kind of point or what? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.1    2 months ago

No, just looking to see if anyone else had been there. I know that the NT member USA1 who is no longer active on NT was most likely there.  We spent time together (with our wives) in Kaifeng, Zhengzhou and Luoyang (all former Dynasty capitals).  As well there are a few other members of NT who have been in China with whom I have had discussions about places and events there.  Just wondered if there are any more.

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.2    2 months ago

 the forbidden city is one place I would love to see.   I would probably spend hours just looking up at the joinery.  my neck would get sore.

didja know one of the main nazca lines points straight to the forbidden city?  how did they know about china back then?  yepp, interesting stuff.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @3.2.3    2 months ago

I didn't know what nazca lines were - had to look it up, and yes, it is either coincidental or interesting that one points directly to the Forbidden City, which is also known as the Palace Museum.

Yes, your neck would sure as hell get sore here. I have said on some of my photo-essays of China that you should never forget to look up - the ceilings are magnificent, and here is an example of the carvings under the eaves of a building in Kaifeng.

512

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2    2 months ago

Nice pic Buzz. Have you become proficient with chop sticks?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.2.5    2 months ago

LOL.  Yes, I can use them, and do every day although I'm not as good at it as a 4 year old kid here.

I guess you missed this article I posted 6 months ago:

https://thenewstalkers.com/community/discussion/44023/culture-insider-chopsticks-dos-and-donts

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
3.2.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.2.4    2 months ago
and yes, it is either coincidental or interesting that one points directly to the Forbidden City,

the two main lines in nazca form a "cross"    (like a busy intersection)

if you extend and follow both of those two lines ya land dead on every major ancient civilization of the time.

 and here is an example of the carvings under the eaves of a building in Kaifeng.

simply mind blowing :)

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4  The Magic Eight Ball    2 months ago

oops...  :)

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @4    2 months ago
awesome. another first for the books. 

He can put it next to his worst president in history award! YAY!!!!

 
 
 
Heartland American
4.1.1  Heartland American  replied to  MrFrost @4.1    2 months ago

That award went to Barrack Hussein Obama who claimed the dubious honor from Janes Earl Carter.  Hopefully America will never have a President who replaces Obama as our worst ever.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Heartland American @4.1.1    2 months ago

Show me ANY poll that says Obama was the worst president in history.... We'll wait. Even fox news had him in the top 15. 😂😂😂😂

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
4.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.2    2 months ago
Show me ANY poll that says Obama was the worst president in history.

 Obama Is First As Worst President Since WWII, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; More Voters Say Romney Would Have Been Better

https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2056

here is another fun fact:

Obama Has the Worst Supreme Court Record in History

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2017/06/27/obama_has_the_worst_supreme_court_record_in_history_414078.html

but we expected that from a constitutional hack/

when history is written, obama is not going to be remembered very well.

 
 
 
MrFrost
5  MrFrost    2 months ago

So....another photo op so trump can tell himself how great he is. Pathetic. Trump giving away the farm to NK for literally...nothing in return. The first two summits were disastrous failures, this one will be no different. I admire the effort, but trump is slow to catch on, there is a reason other world leaders have not tried to negotiate with NK, they know it's pointless. Lil kim wanted recognition on the world stage, trump gave it to him and at the same time, Lil kim played trump like a fiddle, giving up nothing, going back on his word and resuming his nuke program. Also...trump's ego demands that he is always the center of  attention; the dem debates upstaged his G20 meeting, so trump needed to get the light back on him. What better way than offering up a third failed summit. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @5    2 months ago
the dem debates

ahh yes. those magical nights. the gift that will keep on giving... LOL technical difficulties, lunacy and all.

any chance the left had of winning just up and flew out the window.

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/decriminalizing-border-crossing-democrats-2020-040007413.html

that one issue alone = game over for the left.

 

 
 
 
Heartland American
5.1.1  Heartland American  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1    2 months ago

Trump 4EVA!  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.2  Raven Wing  replied to  Heartland American @5.1.1    2 months ago
Trump 4EVA!

To quote your favorite come back......."Only in your dreams"

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1.3  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.2    2 months ago

oh relax... no one actually believes trump will be president forever... LOL

but nationalism, love of country and our god given rights is not going away any time soon  - speaking of...  are ya ready for the 4th of july? 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
5.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1.3    2 months ago
oh relax... no one actually believes trump will be president forever... LOL

I know........I was just having a bit of fun with XX

are ya ready for the 4th of july? 

Yup! Gonna have an old fashioned East Texas BBQ, with a vinegar based BBQ sauce for the ribs, potato salad, baked beans, and Frey Bread to go with. Then home made pecan pie for dessert. 

You?

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @5.1    2 months ago

Looks like you already forgot the epic beating you took in the mid-terms. Lol

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1.6  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.4    2 months ago

a lot like that... LOL  but no pecan pie for me.   I'm already a mixed bag of nuts... LOL

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
5.1.7  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.5    2 months ago
Looks like you already forgot the epic beating you took in the mid-terms

yer funny...

in order to stop the leftwing bs, the plan was simple.  secure the senate and judiciary  

and we did just that :)

 

the plan worked perfectly with nothing but epic fail for the left to follow.

lemme give ya a hint:

if ya want to slow down or stop legislation, ya need the house.

if ya want to remove a president by impeachment, ya need the senate.

 

the left is now stuck behind the eightball with no shot on the table  :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5    2 months ago
Trump giving away the farm to NK for literally...

That would be Bill Clinton.

the dem debates upstaged his G20 meeting

How is that?

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2    2 months ago

I was unaware Clinton was still in office or the subject of the article.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MrFrost @5.2.1    2 months ago

When you talk about giving away the farm to North Korea, you are talking about the Clinton policy

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.2    2 months ago

"At least one foreign-policy expert said he traces North Korea’s current saber-rattling to a nuclear deal made two decades ago by President Bill Clinton.

On Oct. 18, 1994, Clinton approved a plan to arrange more than $4 billion in energy aid to North Korea over the course of a decade, in return for a commitment from the country’s Communist leadership to freeze and gradually dismantle its nuclear weapons development program, according to The New York Times.

The “complex” deal was to de-escalate the situation on the Korean peninsula, where the two Korean nations never negotiated a peace treaty after the Korean War ended in armistice in 1953.

“This agreement is good for the United States, good for our allies, and good for the safety of the entire world,” said Clinton in 1994. “It’s a crucial step toward drawing North Korea into the global community.”

The drawing-in never happened. North Korea has become more isolated and dangerous. And after years of furtive activity in North Korea, attempts to placate the Communist state seem to have only encouraged its dangerous leaders."

https://www.lifezette.com/2017/03/bill-clinton-paved-way-nuclear-north-korea/

 
 
 
pat wilson
6  pat wilson    2 months ago

Wait ! This isn't locked yet ??

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
6.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  pat wilson @6    2 months ago

since it does not include the trump and kim lookalikes kissing? I was sure it would have been shut down by now as fake news... LOL      

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  pat wilson @6    2 months ago
the dem debates upstaged his G20 meeting

Ah, If only you could!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7  author  Vic Eldred    2 months ago

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    John Bolton
    @AmbJohnBolton

    "I read this NYT story with curiosity. Neither the NSC staff nor I have discussed or heard of any desire to “settle for a nuclear freeze by NK.” This was a reprehensible attempt by someone to box in the President. There should be consequences."


    NEWS ANALYSIS

    In New Talks, U.S. May Settle for a Nuclear Freeze by North Korea

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/30/world/asia/trump-kim-north-korea-negotiations.html
 
 
 
lib50
8  lib50    2 months ago

Since Trump began his love affair with Kim, who has gained what?   Kim has gained worldwide recognition, something NK leaders have sought.  He's got all the photo ops he needs to show his repressed people how important he is in the world.  Meanwhile his nuke program goes on.    Since all the world knows Trumps ego, they speak directly to it,  no deep discussions.  Trump's invite to meed Kim sounded like a boy in jr. high, FFS.  Trump creates chaos and then tries to take credit when it dies down.  What exactly has he accomplished with NK's nukes?   Besides making Kim into a bigger player than he ever dreamed. 

 
 
 
lady in black
8.1  lady in black  replied to  lib50 @8    2 months ago

The POS in the whitehouse just LOVES his dictators.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lady in black @8.1    2 months ago

Just Nuke em?  I hear ya.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @8    2 months ago

The other option to sanctions & diplomacy is what?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
9  JohnRussell    2 months ago

Trump doesn't give a rats ass about Korea, or whether or not they have nukes.  He needed a "foreign policy achievement" to brag about after he took office and he thought North Korea could fit the bill.  They rarely give news conferences or interviews, so there wouldnt be much out there to contradict Trump's spin.  

The only think NK has done in response to Trump is stop testing missiles. This could simply mean that they already have missiles that can reach what they want to reach. They already have something like 40 or 50 workable nukes, from what I have read, they really dont need more than that for a deterrent. 

So what is all this about, since it will never end with NK surrendering its nukes?  A freeze on new weapons? We are going through all this dog and pony show just to get back to where things were at on the day Trump took office? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9    2 months ago
He needed a "foreign policy achievement" to brag about after he took office and he thought North Korea could fit the bill.

Then it was a great choice, since the outgoing President told him it would be his greatest problem as North Korea threatened all it's neighbors, as well as and in particular the US.

The only think NK has done in response to Trump is stop testing missiles.

Which is a good thing since a good deal of them were going into the Sea of Japan. They also have stopped threatening everyone, released 3 American political prisoners and returned the remains of US military personnel from the Korean War. As I said, we were at the brink of war when Obama left office. In the meantime, sanctions remain in place!

So what is all this about, since it will never end with NK surrendering its nukes?  

Maybe establishing a change in the attitude of North Korea, so that it can at least partake in the civilized world. What is interesting is that you seem to be against everything & anything this President has done on the issue. If there was a need for criticism it should have gone to his predecessors.

 
 
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