Trump, at Ohio rally, says Democrats would have leaked Soleimani attack plans

  
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Trump, at Ohio rally, says Democrats would have leaked Soleimani attack plans
 

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Flush with campaign cash and facing down a possible Senate impeachment trial,  President Trump  headlined his first  major rally  of the election year Thursday in Ohio -- and almost immediately, the president capitalized on his order to  take out  Iranian commander Qassem Soleimani after the military leader was said to have orchestrated an attack on the U.S. Embassy in Iraq.

In unequivocal terms, Trump slammed House Democrats' nonbinding War Powers Resolution, which passed  earlier in the day  in a rebuke to the Soleimani strike. Trump went on to suggest that Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and "little pencil-neck" House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., would have tipped off the media about the operation had they known about it.

"They're saying, 'You should get permission from Congress, you should come in and tell us what you want to do -- you should come in and tell us, so that we can call up the fake news that's back there, and we can leak it,'" Trump said. "Lot of corruption back there."

The president added that it would have been impractical to have alerted Congress, given the "split-second" nature of the decision to kill Soleimani.

Separately, Trump said he hoped former Vice President Joe Biden would become the Democrats' presidential nominee, and pledged he would highlight what he called the Bidens' corruption all throughout the campaign.

"He will hear, 'Where's Hunter?',' every single debate nine times at the podium," Trump vowed, in reference to Biden's son, who largely has stayed out of public view after it emerged that he held lucrative overseas board roles while his father was vice president.

Republicans have accused Hunter Biden, who recently was determined to have  fathered a child  with an Arkansas ex-stripper, of selling access to his father.

Trump was speaking before a  packed crowd  in Toledo after apparently pulling back from the brink of war with Iran earlier this week, and just hours after officials announced that Iran  likely shot down a civilian airliner  carrying dozens of Canadians, apparently by mistake. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suggested the U.S. might bear responsibility, and he  declined to condemn  Iran.

For the most part, the rally focused on the Iran strike and the response to it from the political left.

"The radical left Democrats have expressed outrage over the termination of this horrible terrorist," Trump said. "Instead, they should be outraged by Soleimani's savage crimes and the fact that his countless victims were denied justice for so long."

Trump said he had acted swiftly after the earlier attack at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and essentially overruled a commander who said the military response would not arrive until the next day. The situation, Trump said, easily could have become "another Benghazi" -- a reference to the deadly 2012 attack at the U.S. consulate in Libya.

"I said, 'nope, get in the planes right now, have them there immediately!'" Trump said. "And, they got there immediately. ... If you dare threaten our citizens, you do so at your own grave peril."

Former President Obama, Trump added, had erred by giving billions to Iran as part of the mostly defunct Iran nuclear deal, including a massive cash payout loaded onto U.S. aircraft.

"By subsidizing Iran's maligned conduct, the last administration was leading the world down the path of war," Trump said. "We are restoring our world to the path of peace, peace through strength."

The campaign event offered Trump an opportunity to spotlight before a friendly crowd his decision to order the deadly drone strike against Soleimani, while keeping the U.S. -- at least for the moment -- out of a wider military conflict.

Trump also emphasized the booming economy, including a strong stock market and historically low unemployment rates.

"Unemployment has reached the lowest level in over 51 years," Trump said. "African-American, Hispanic American and Asian American unemployment have all reached the lowest rates ever, ever, ever recorded. Wages are rising fast, and the biggest percentage increase -- makes me happy -- are for blue-collar workers. Forty million American families are now benefiting from the Republican child-tax credit, each receiving an average of over $2,200 a year."

Trump added that getting rid of "job-killing regulations" had helped spur the industrial sector. He later invoked the destructive and widespread "yellow vest" protests in France, which had started out of frustration with high taxes on gas.


"If you dare threaten our citizens, you do so at your own grave peril." — President Trump

"America lost 60,000 factories under the previous administration ... They're all coming back," Trump said. "And, right now, just in a very short period of time, we've added 12,000 brand new factories and many more are coming in."

The United States–Mexico–Canada Agreement [USMCA], Trump said, would improve the economy further and make the U.S. automobile industry in particular more competitive.

The Democrats' policies, Trump argued, have produced chaos and poverty. Trump specifically ripped Pelosi, D-Calif., for living in a mansion in San Francisco, even as her "disgusting" district filled with homeless people defecating on the streets.

Trump additionally touted the  recent appellate court ruling  that green-lit funding for his border wall, slammed "late-term abortion and ripping babies right from the mother's womb right up until the mother's womb," and highlighted Obama's broken promise to ensure Americans could keep their doctors under his health-care plan.

"We will protect patients with preexisting conditions, and we will protect your preexisting physician," Trump vowed.

The president's reelection campaign already had used Facebook ads to highlight Trump’s decision to strike Soleimani, regarded as Iran’s second-most-powerful official.

"We caught a total monster, and we took him out, and that should have happened a long time ago,” Trump said before departing Washington earlier in the day.

Last week’s killing of Soleimani brought long-simmering tensions between the U.S. and Iran to a boil. Iran, in retaliation, fired a barrage of missiles this week at two military bases in neighboring Iraq that have housed hundreds of U.S. troops. But, with no reported injuries to U.S. or Iraqi troops, Trump said he had no plans to take further military action against Iran and instead would enact more sanctions against the Islamic Republic.

The Iran crisis, which momentarily overshadowed Trump's looming impeachment trial, also has opened a new front in the 2020 presidential campaign for Trump, who in 2016 campaigned in part on a promise to end American involvement in "endless wars."

Trump entered the election year flush with over $100 million in campaign cash, a low unemployment rate and an unsettled field of Democrats seeking to challenge him. Yet, polling showed he remained vulnerable.

Back in December, an AP-NORC poll showed Trump's approval rating at 40 percent. No more recent major polls have emerged to gauge support for the president in the wake of the targeted killing of Soleimani, though opinions of Trump have changed little over the course of his presidency.

Trump has never fallen into historic lows for a president’s approval ratings, but Gallup polling showed his December rating registered lower than that of most recent presidents at the same point in their first terms. Notably, approval of Trump and Obama in the Decembers before their reelection bids was roughly the same.

For Trump to win reelection, securing Ohio's 18 electoral votes will be critical. He won Ohio by eight points in 2016, after Obama held the state in 2008 and 2012. The visit to Toledo marked Trump's 15th appearance in Ohio as president.

Trump has anchored his reelection messaging around a solid national economy with an unemployment rate of 3.5 percent. But, people in parts of the industrial Midwest have said they've been left behind, especially as the manufacturing sector has struggled over the past year in response to slower worldwide economic growth and trade tensions with China.

Labor Department figures showed construction and factory jobs slumping in Ohio. In nearby Michigan, manufacturers were shedding workers as well, but so were that state’s employers in the health care, education and social assistance sectors.

But, the Toledo area pointed at an even more alarming trend in an otherwise healthy economy. The Glass City has shedded over 6 percent of its white-collar jobs in the professional and business services sector over the past year, causing the total number of jobs to slump slightly from a year ago.

As an incumbent, Trump has been able to use his position to build a massive campaign cash reserve at a time when Democrats have been raising and spending theirs in a competitive primary. Although many White House hopefuls, most notably Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and former South Bend, Ind., Mayor Pete Buttigieg, have pulled in massive sums, there has been no clear front-runner, and many party officials have been girding for a protracted contest that could further bleed the eventual nominee of resources.

Trump, meanwhile, raised $46 million in the final quarter of 2019 and had over $102 million cash on hand at the end of the year. The Republican National Committee [RNC], which hasn’t faced as strict a set of contribution limits as the candidate, raised even more. Under the current rules, the RNC won’t have to release its December fundraising numbers until the end of the month.

Asked how much he was willing to spend on his reelection, Trump said, "I literally haven't even thought about it." He added: "I will say this: Because of the impeachment hoax, we're taking in numbers that nobody ever expected. You saw the kind of numbers we're reporting. We're blowing everybody away."

Fox News' Andrew O'Reilly and The Associated Press contributed to this report.



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MAGA
1  seeder  MAGA    9 months ago

In unequivocal terms, Trump slammed House Democrats' nonbinding War Powers Resolution, which passed   earlier in the day   in a rebuke to the Soleimani strike. Trump went on to suggest that Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and "little pencil-neck" House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., would have tipped off the media about the operation had they known about it.

"They're saying, 'You should get permission from Congress, you should come in and tell us what you want to do -- you should come in and tell us, so that we can call up the fake news that's back there, and we can leak it,'" Trump said. "Lot of corruption back there."

The president added that it would have been impractical to have alerted Congress, given the "split-second" nature of the decision to kill Soleimani.

Separately, Trump said he hoped former Vice President Joe Biden would become the Democrats' presidential nominee, and pledged he would highlight what he called the Bidens' corruption all throughout the campaign.

"He will hear, 'Where's Hunter?',' every single debate nine times at the podium," Trump vowed, in reference to Biden's son, who largely has stayed out of public view after it emerged that he held lucrative overseas board roles while his father was vice president.

Republicans have accused Hunter Biden, who recently was determined to have  fathered a child   with an Arkansas ex-stripper, of selling access to his father.

Trump was speaking before a   packed crowd   in Toledo after apparently pulling back from the brink of war with Iran earlier this week, and just hours after officials announced that Iran   likely shot down a civilian airliner   carrying dozens of Canadians, apparently by mistake. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suggested the U.S. might bear responsibility, and he   declined to condemn   Iran.

For the most part, the rally focused on the Iran strike and the response to it from the political left.

"The radical left Democrats have expressed outrage over the termination of this horrible terrorist," Trump said. "Instead, they should be outraged by Soleimani's savage crimes and the fact that his countless victims were denied justice for so long."

Trump said he had acted swiftly after the earlier attack at the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad and essentially overruled a commander who said the military response would not arrive until the next day. The situation, Trump said, easily could have become "another Benghazi" -- a reference to the deadly 2012 attack at the U.S. consulate in Libya.

"I said, 'nope, get in the planes right now, have them there immediately!'" Trump said. "And, they got there immediately. ... If you dare threaten our citizens, you do so at your own grave peril."

https://thenewstalkers.com/vic-eldred/group_discuss/7489/trump-at-ohio-rally-says-democrats-would-have-leaked-soleimani-attack-plans

 
 
 
MAGA
2  seeder  MAGA    9 months ago

Trump is right.  Democrat congressional leadership is not to be trusted with intelligence and national security issues much less top secret time sensitive military missions vs enemy combatants.  

 
 
 
katrix
2.1  katrix  replied to  MAGA @2    9 months ago
Democrat congressional leadership is not to be trusted with intelligence and national security iss

But it's just fine with you if Trump gives classified information to Putin.

"Party over country" people disgust me. I can't understand how anyone can be so anti-American.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago
"Party over country" people disgust me.

Tell it to the Dems in the House. It's been party over country for over 3 years and one could almost go back even farther for an exhibition of "ideology spoiling the view" Thanks to my friend Hallux for the phrase.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago

Trump is President. Part of a President's job is deciding what is classified and what is not. 

If the information that Trump received from Putin (of course we don't know what that was, because the leaker was only interested in 1/2 the story) was of equal value; then it was worth it.

If you want "party over country" then look no further than the Democrats in the House and Senate. Talking impeachment before Trump even took office. Then conducted a very biased one sided investigation restricting the Republicans from calling witnesses, and even asking questions. We have elections for a reason; but it seems the Democrats aren't willing to abide by a fair and open election deciding things.

If you had no problem with Obama not telling Congress, our allies, or even Pakistan when he sent in Navy SEALs to take out Bid Laden- then why do you have a problem with Trump do the same for a known terrorist.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.4    9 months ago
If you had no problem with Obama not telling Congress, our allies, or even Pakistan when he sent in Navy SEALs to take out Bid Laden- then why do you have a problem with Trump do the same for a known terrorist.

Good call. That should leave a mark but instead, I am sure that any response other than mine will be filled with "but Obama" bullshit when indeed it is pretty damned equivalent..

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.1.6  KDMichigan  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago
But it's just fine with you if Trump gives classified information to Putin.

Is this along the same lines of Russia Russia Russia?

I'm not even asking you for proof of your claims. I'm sure it was on a episode of the dingbat Rachel Madcow. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.1.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  KDMichigan @2.1.6    9 months ago

Here is what the panties in a wad brigade is referring to............

“The president and the foreign minister reviewed common threats from terrorist organizations to include threats to aviation,” H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser who participated in the meeting told paper. “At no time were any intelligence sources or methods discussed and no military operations were disclosed that were not already known publicly,” McMaster insisted. In his meeting with Lavrov, Trump boasted about having access to the intelligence.
“I get great intel. I have people brief me on great intel every day,” Trump said, an official with knowledge of the meeting said.
Trump, the paper said, didn’t reveal how the intelligence was gathered, but told them how ISIS was plotting an attack and how much damage such an attack could cause.
He also revealed the city in ISIS territory where the US intelligence partner discovered the threat.

The city may not have been a very good idea but, if we know of operations that should concern other countries, wouldn't we want the same courtesy from another country to reciprocate? No one, as far as I know, is exempt from the fury of ISIS and their ideology.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
2.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to    9 months ago
That's not true

It's not true that you're fine with it? Or not true that he did it?

"This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. Trump "revealed more information to the Russian ambassador than we have shared with our own allies."

https://www.npr.org/2017/05/15/528511980/report-trump-gave-classified-information-to-russians-during-white-house-visit

 
 
 
katrix
2.1.9  katrix  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.4    9 months ago
why do you have a problem with Trump do the same for a known terrorist.

When did I ever say I had a problem with Trump taking this guy out? Hint: Never.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
2.1.10  gooseisgone  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago
Trump gives classified information to Putin

That's all I have to read to realize what's wrong with the Democrat party.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.1.11  igknorantzrulz  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.10    9 months ago

yea. stick your fingers in your ears, that'll change things.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.12  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  gooseisgone @2.1.10    9 months ago

But all is okie dokie if a Republican discloses to Putin though.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.13  seeder  MAGA  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago
 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
2.1.14  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  katrix @2.1    9 months ago
But it's just fine with you if Trump gives classified information to Putin.

Still waiting on proof of that.  

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.15  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.1.12    9 months ago

Discloses what to Putin exactly?  

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.16  arkpdx  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.8    8 months ago

""This is code-word information," said a U.S. official familiar with the matter, using terminology that refers to one of the highest classification levels used by American spy agencies. "

Are you talking about the same classification that was found on Hillary's unsecure and unauthorized server? 

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.17  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.16    8 months ago
Are you talking about the same classification that was found on Hillary's unsecure and unauthorized server? 

No. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.1.18  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @2.1.17    8 months ago

My mistake. She must have had some other code word classification on her emails

 
 
 
Dulay
2.1.19  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.18    8 months ago
My mistake.

Yep.

She must have had some other code word classification on her emails

Again, NO. There was NO code word classified information in Clinton's emails. 

 
 
 
squiggy
2.2  squiggy  replied to  MAGA @2    9 months ago
After Schitt knew who the whistler was - everybody knew.
 
 
 
MAGA
2.2.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  squiggy @2.2    9 months ago

Eric Ciamerella.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @2    9 months ago

Tell you what Xx. How about you post some EVIDENCE that a Democrat in the gang of 8 ever leaked intelligence or national security information. 

If you can't, your comment is utter bullshit. 

 
 
 
cjcold
2.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Dulay @2.3    9 months ago

Does seem that Trump is the biggest leaker in his administration.

 
 
 
MAGA
2.3.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Dulay @2.3    9 months ago

Adam Schiff is a master leaker.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.3  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @2.3.2    9 months ago
Adam Schiff is a master leaker.

Another unfounded and unsubstantiated proclamation Xx.

You are on a roll. 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.3.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Dulay @2.3.3    9 months ago
 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.5  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @2.3.4    8 months ago

Unfounded, unsubstantiated and now irrelevant. 

The trifecta of BS, well done. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3.6  arkpdx  replied to  Dulay @2.3.3    8 months ago

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Everyone quit attacking each other--both directly and indirectly.

 
 
 
Dulay
2.3.7  Dulay  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.6    8 months ago

Your comment doubles down on it all by making it personal, well done. 

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  MAGA @2    9 months ago

It wouldn't surprise me if Ilhan Omar has a secret hot line to the Ayatollah. 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.4.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Freedom Warrior @2.4    9 months ago

It wouldn’t surprise me at all.  

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @2    9 months ago

8 members support that BS and not one of them can prove it. 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.5.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Dulay @2.5    9 months ago

It’s all true and actually it’s 10 members now. KAG!

 
 
 
Dulay
2.5.2  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @2.5.1    9 months ago

Nope, your comment is false Xx. You've had 2 days to post evidence and failed. No surprise. 

Oh and yes, I know you count your tulpa Xx. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    9 months ago

A rally?  Doesn't he have work to do?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

It's been a great week for the President.

He punished Iran without going to war (as progressives had hoped). He is placing new sanctions on Iran as well. (to be announced on Wednesday)

Speaker Pelosi will have to back down on her demands of the US Senate and she will hand over the Articles of Impeachment within 7 days.

On Thursday the President unveiled regulatory changes tied to the 50-year-old National Environmental Policy Act

The Bureau of Labor Statistics at 8:30 a.m. will  report on U.S. employment in December. The nation in November saw the lowest level of unemployment since 1969, and labor conditions are expected to look similarly upbeat as 2019 ended.

He had a lot to crow about last night!


Keep Winning!

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @4    9 months ago

As usual, this 'president' hasn't accomplished shit.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    9 months ago

That seems like an empty statement, yet I can see how provocative it is. How many would respond and get deleted?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
4.1.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    9 months ago
That seems like an empty statement, y

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MAGA
4.1.3  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @4.1    9 months ago

Liberals feed off of all that Trump has accomplished 

 
 
 
MAGA
4.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.1    9 months ago

how accurate and prophetic..  this is the NewsTalkers speak your mind way...

 
 
 
Tessylo
5  Tessylo    9 months ago

I wonder how this 'president' would feel if America's top general was assassinated?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5    9 months ago

Are you comparing American Generals to a terrorist?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    9 months ago

Another statement deleted by the author. It's hard to speak from the heart when you see what it sounds like?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.3  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    9 months ago

YUP!

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    9 months ago

Talking to yourself now?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.4    9 months ago

Just watching in awe as the comments go up and quickly disappear

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.5    9 months ago

So sorry that you have nothing better to do.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.7  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    9 months ago
So sorry that you have nothing better to do.

As somebody famously said only yesterday: "I'm not the topic here"

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
5.1.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.7    9 months ago

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Tessylo
5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.7    9 months ago

Which has what to do with my comment?

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.1.10  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    9 months ago
Are you comparing American Generals to a terrorist?

Sure is, state of lunacy when our soldiers are compared to terrorist.  Unfortunately it is what these people have become.  The terrorist sympathizers have come forward. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.11  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @5.1.10    9 months ago
The terrorist sympathizers have come forward. 

Correct, and they dare not express their true feelings!

“I think it is too soon to be drawing conclusions” and assigning blame, Trudeau says when asked if U.S. might be at fault for these deaths.

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In other words, Trump  is at fault because Iran shot down an airliner over their own territory.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.12  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.11    9 months ago

"A professor at Babson College was fired Thursday after sharing a Facebook post that suggested that Iran should make a list of American cultural sites to bomb."

"The Massachusetts college announced the termination of adjunct professor Asheen Phansey Thursday."

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/477647-massachusetts-college-fires-professor-over-facebook-post-saying?rnd=1578629736

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.1.13  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    9 months ago

Good for the college, but I am surprised he didn't get a promotion.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @5.1.13    9 months ago

Babson is a small college right down the lane from Wellesley College. Babson is the less egregious, more modest of the two.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.15  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.6    9 months ago

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cjcold
5.1.16  cjcold  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    9 months ago

One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

 
 
 
TTGA
5.1.17  TTGA  replied to  cjcold @5.1.16    9 months ago
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Correct.  Which term is applied depends on which side the speaker is on.  If you're on the American side, Solemani was a terrorist.  If you're on the Iranian side, he was a freedom fighter.  Which side are you on?

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.1.18  Kathleen  replied to  TTGA @5.1.17    9 months ago

Can’t wait to hear the answer to that.

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.1.19  Sunshine  replied to  cjcold @5.1.16    9 months ago
One man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter.

Yeah it takes a brave freedom fighter to oppress women and literally shoot dead hundreds of unarmed Iranians in their streets.

Are these the people you admire?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.20  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    9 months ago

So it would seem.  

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.21  cjcold  replied to  TTGA @5.1.17    9 months ago

I tend not to 'take sides'. Not even sure what the sides are anymore. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.22  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.1.19    9 months ago

What do you think George Custer was famous for?

I guess history has to be viewed from multiple perspectives before there is a teachable moment, eh?

 
 
 
Sunshine
5.1.23  Sunshine  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.22    9 months ago

So the Iran regime assassinating their own people is a teachable moment to you.

Good grief.

 
 
 
Kathleen
5.1.24  Kathleen  replied to  cjcold @5.1.21    9 months ago

Ohhh come on!  What a cop out!

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.25  igknorantzrulz  replied to  TTGA @5.1.17    9 months ago
Which term is applied depends on which side the speaker is on.

what if i have stereo speakers...?

From what ive read and watched, he was a terrorist that deserved to die.

But

do you think we are some sort of picture of innocence in this mess...? Cause i can assure you, we, as in the United States, certainly are not.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.26  Split Personality  replied to  TTGA @5.1.17    9 months ago

Which side was Custer on?

When I was a child he was a hero.

When I was educated and became schooled by an AI I began to see their point of view that he was an inhuman terrorist

who killed women and children as a tactic.

The British promised to hang the Founding Fathers as traitors.

Good thing the terrorists like George Washington & Frances Marion prevailed in that war eh?

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.27  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    9 months ago

As the seeder I have flagged nothing on this seed.  For the record.  

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.28  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.5    9 months ago

If you see something you think is nefarious, don't be shy about reporting it to TiG or Perrie.

While I did not observe any thing amiss here ( so far) I did see a whole block of 27 comment disappear yesterday from a

different seed and if there is something afoot, TiG needs to know where to look as soon as possible.

This site only works if we cooperate and report glitches.

Thanks in advance.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.26    9 months ago
the terrorists like George Washington

I guess I outgrew moral relativism after high school but please provide evidence that the English considered George Washington a terrorist and what they based it on. 

Here's a good article summing up what the English actually thought of Washington:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/3491639?seq=1

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.30  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.29    9 months ago
I guess I outgrew moral relativism after high school

Good for you Sean.

but please provide evidence that the English considered George Washington a terrorist and what they based it on. 

Why?  I did not say that did I ?

Here's a good article summing up what the English actually thought of Washington:

Thank You. Nice snippet of an obscure 18 yer old scholarly paper, Troy's written two books since, but Washington was not the topic of either one.

Moral relativism, lol.

To the British all rebels were traitorous scum not deserving the treatment of POWs.

https://www.americanheritage.com/patriots-or-terrorists#4

To the Americans they were patriots & heroes

That is indeed relative.

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.31  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @5.1.23    9 months ago

Good grief indeed,

It is only a teachable moment for the Iranian regime.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.32  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    9 months ago

I see wha you mean.  5.1.1 is missing  and it’s author may have deleted it in the 10 minute window while you were typing a reply to it.  I’ve had that happen before.  

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.33  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Kathleen @5.1.24    9 months ago

Otherwise known as moral relativism.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.1.34  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.30    9 months ago

Why?  I did not say that did I ?

did you not understand what you wrote? Or is your own personal opinion that  George Washington was a terrorist.

of an obscure 18 yer old scholarly paper,

do you want me to dumb it down for you? some click bait site with flashing lights? 

Troy's written two books since, but Washington was not the topic of either one.

that might be the irrelevant response to a source I’ve ever seen. Do you imagine  that somehow makes what he wrote wrong?

if you have am actual substantive response to the article, please make it,  but attacking it as scholarly and written by an author who wrote book about other things might be the weakest ad hominem attack I’ve ever seen,

To the British all rebels were traitorous scum not deserving the treatment of P

I provided specific evidence , the English didn’t think Washington was a terrorist. Your source doesn’t rebut that. Try again. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
5.1.35  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.1.34    9 months ago

You provided an 18 year old opinion Sean.

it certainly doesn't make it right , does it?

Yes the British press loved Washington because he was  a French & Indian War hero, gentleman and landowner.

The Brits actually have a small bust of George in Trafalgar Square, no mean fete back in the day.

Most of the internet references I can find in English that declare George a terrorist are by nut cases like the BLM or Bill Ayers

but they all point out one thing.  He fits the current FBI profile for a terrorist,

and people around the world in different cultures see him as either a traitor/terrorist or a patriot/hero.

Have a great weekend, friend. CheersjrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Tessylo
7  Tessylo    9 months ago

I take comfort int he fact that Iran doesn't blame the U.S., they blame tRump.

Whoever resides in any tRump properties should vacate, including the White Trash White House Mar-A-Lago.  It would be the wise thing to do.  Iran did say they were going to target tRump properties.  

They should really hurt his wallet.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7    9 months ago
they blame tRump.

You mean progressives blame Trump, right?

 
 
 
Tessylo
7.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    9 months ago

Sane people blame tRump.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    9 months ago

Your definition of what is sane differs from mine. Tell us, since you know what is sane, what the President should have done when an American was killed by Iranian proxies?

 
 
 
Texan1211
7.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    9 months ago

Why, many on the left believe we should have done what we have done before--ignore it and "hope and pray" it doesn't happen again?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
7.1.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.3    9 months ago

Remember what Kerry said when they grabbed American sailors?

"Secretary of State  John Kerry  thanked leaders in Iran on Wednesday for what he called a “quick and appropriate response” to  return 10 American sailors  back to the United States."

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/265730-kerry-thanks-iran-for-care-of-us-sailors



When they were kids, these are the ones who paid the bully on the corner the 25 cents to get to school.

 
 
 
Split Personality
7.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    9 months ago
what the President should have done when an American was killed by Iranian proxies?

Fly his body home as if he was an active duty service member and make damn sure Lockheed fulfills the contract he signed and make sure his family gets his SS survivors benefits in days not years.

That would be a decent start.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1.6  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    9 months ago

No, sane people as in real Americans blame the Iranian regime.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1.7  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    9 months ago

insane people blame Trump.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @7.1.1    9 months ago

You mean the whining left blame the President.  That seems to be the only ones blaming him.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1.9  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @7.1.8    8 months ago

They blame him for wage increases, low interest rates, low inflation, low unemployment, stock market records, and so much more..like killing three terrorist leaders.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
7.1.10  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MAGA @7.1.9    8 months ago
They blame him for wage increases, low interest rates, low inflation, low unemployment, stock market records, and so much more.

Because he is taking away their base.  He's coming through on promises that they have failed to do for decades. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    9 months ago

Iranian Presidential Adviser Hints At Attack On Trump’s Real Estate Empire

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One of Iranian President Hassan Rouhani’s suggested this week that retaliation against the United States for the killing of the country’s top military general could come in the form of attacks on President Donald Trump’s personal properties, according to   The Daily Mail .

Hesameddin Ashena shared a link on social media to a Forbes article highlighting Trump’s properties across the globe, including those in New York, Florida, and the UK.

In particular, Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach was mentioned in the article — the place the president was staying when he ordered the hit on Major General Qassem Soleimani.

Ashena also issued a tweet insisting that Iran does not have a problem with the American people in general, noting that deals had been reached with previous administrations, but that Trump is the county’s “sole problem.”

“In the event of war, it is he who will bear full responsibility,” Ashena wrote.

Tehran previously promised to pursue “forceful revenge” following Soleimani’s death.

Likewise, the American president has issued similar threats, suggesting that the U.S. might target sites of cultural significance to Iranians if the country retaliates.

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @8    9 months ago

When tweets like this are repeated on other social media sites, it shows how much the left is hoping and praying that Iran carries out attacks on Trump properties.

I can guarantee that if that happened, loony leftists in this country will be rejoicing, no matter how many people might be killed.

Even though the 3 days of official liberal mourning are over for the dead terrorist, they still are holding onto their own form of mourning.

 
 
 
Tessylo
8.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  bugsy @8.1    9 months ago

They should vacate the tRump properties to be safe.

They should target tRump properties.

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.1    9 months ago

Why do you give aid and comfort to the enemy?

 
 
 
Sunshine
8.1.3  Sunshine  replied to  bugsy @8.1.2    9 months ago

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MAGA
8.1.4  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.1    9 months ago

People will be injured or die if Trump properties were destroyed or seriously damaged in an attack by Iran or its terrorist proxies.  Why advocate for them being attacked?  

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.5  seeder  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @8.1.2    9 months ago

Any enemy of Trump foreign or domestic is no enemy to American progressives.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9  Vic Eldred    9 months ago

Evidently there are certain questions that can't be answered. 

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @9    9 months ago

And some that can’t be asked...

 
 
 
bugsy
10  bugsy    8 months ago

I decided to do a little mini research assignment for myself.

I googled the same question twice, but in each search, I simply switched some names.

In the first search, I asked "Media and Republicans enraged Obama killed bin Laden".

The only thing that popped up that would remotely support this search is an article by the NYT on McCain and Romney saying Obama approved the operation simply for a photo op of a photo of Obama and part of his cabinet in the situation room watching the raid go down. Everything else focused on how the country, for a brief moment, came together to support the decision.

In the second question, I asked, "Media and Democrats enraged Trump killed Soliamani (sp).

There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of pages of democrats, liberals and the media fully criticizing, if not hating, on Trump for his decision.

This is what supports the correct notion that democrats, and the media by default, mourned the killing of the terrorist.

Absolutely anything to hate Trump pops up, you can be sure democrats and the media will be in unison with that hatred.

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1  seeder  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @10    8 months ago

And now that the protests in Iran are directed at their own regime instead of President Trump the democrats except Biden and Klobuchar are silent .  No messages of support for the Iranian demonstrations from congressional Dems either.  If the Oranian people won’t blame Trump, the Dems don’t care about them or their protests.

 
 
 
bugsy
10.1.1  bugsy  replied to  MAGA @10.1    8 months ago
No messages of support for the Iranian demonstrations from congressional Dems either.

Because by showing support for the Iranian people, they default show support for Trump and what he tweeted.

Can't have that, now, can we?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.2  seeder  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @10.1.1    8 months ago

Here’s what we can have!  

 
 
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