Trump takes action in the case of George Floyd

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  4 months ago  •  104 comments


Trump takes action in the case of George Floyd
“At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation,” he later tweeted. “I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!

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President Trump called for the immediate investigation of the death of George Floyd, while in the custody of Minneapolis Police officers. A video surfaced yesterday showing that officer Derek Chauvin pressed his knee into Floyd’s neck for about six minutes. Floyd was already handcuffed and pinned to the ground and could be heard pleading with police that he couldn't breathe. Three other officers stood by while the bizarre scene took place. All four officers have been fired and now face charges. Floyd happened to be black and the black community of Minneapolis is calling for murder charges to be filed.

The President was in Florida yesterday when he got the news, which had gone national from Monday to Tuesday, and immediately called on the FBI and DOJ:

“At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation,” he  later tweeted . “I have asked for this investigation to be expedited and greatly appreciate all of the work done by local law enforcement. My heart goes out to George’s family and friends. Justice will be served!


Another thing the black community of Minneapolis will now have to deal with & account for is the rioting and looting taking place over night and into today.

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"A group of unruly protesters wreaked havoc in Minneapolis over the death of George Flody — setting fire to a store and looting another — and vandalizing a Minneapolis police precinct for the second day in a row.

Protestors once again targeted the city police department’s 3rd Precinct — where it’s believed the four officers involved in Floyd’s arrest worked — breaking the building’s windows despite a heavy police presence.

Dramatic photos from Wednesday’s protest show one man chucking a medal barricade toward the boarded-up entrance of the precinct.

Other demonstrators hurled rocks at windows, shattering them.

Police in riot gear tried to stem the mayhem by firing tear gas into the crowds, footage shows.

Chaos also unfolded at a number of nearby stores on Wednesday night.

Protesters looted a Target, vandalized a Wendy’s restaurant and set an Auto Zone ablaze, according to video footage posted on social media by reporters at the scene."

https://nypost.com/2020/05/27/minneapolis-protesters-trash-police-precinct-over-george-floyds-death/



Former NYPD Commissioner Bernard Kerik said that "It defies common sense. It defies training. It defies arrest policies and procedures. There was no resistance," Kerik said. "They took him out of the car. They sat down. Then all of a sudden, he winds up in this position with his [Chauvin's] foot on his neck, his knee on his neck. Why? How did he get here? Why did he get there? Why did they keep his leg on on his back as long as he did?"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/bernard-kerik-george-floyd-death-atrocious-abusive

 


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Vic Eldred
1  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Would there be a death penalty in Minnesota?

Benjamin Crump Esq has once again been hired and is on the case:





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KDMichigan
1.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 months ago

Wow ten hours this photo has been up. The 1st thing I thought of was all the people that triggered when a white guy was yelling at a cop at the Michigan capital without a mask on. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    4 months ago

Here's something else to ponder:

On Thursday morning, the  Justice Department  said that it has made the federal investigation into George Floyd's death a " top priority " and assigned experienced prosecutors to investigate the killing.

foxnews.com/media/mercedes-colwin-george-floyd-police-charges-death

 
 
 
Suz
1.1.2  Suz  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    4 months ago

Please do not be insulted, but so many times you smart people on NS speak in cryptic tongue.

Why should we ponder the "top priority" order?  

Thank you.

 
 
 
Suz
1.1.3  Suz  replied to  KDMichigan @1.1    4 months ago

This is horrible to admit, but just now I saw what people are upset about.  I had not seen the whole picture but now that I have, I wish I hadn't.  It's repulsive.  Do we know if he has handcuffs on at this point?  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Suz @1.1.2    4 months ago
Why should we ponder the "top priority" order?  

Because aside from what the state of Minnesota does with these officers, the Justice Department could determine that George Floyd's Civil Rights were violated and/or they could determine that based on officer Chauvin's history that this was a hate crime and/or they could take a close look at the Minneapolis PD history of dealing with minorities.

It is a big deal that they are also investigating this matter.

It was the President who assigned them to this case. Instead of "triggering" anyone, that move has brought most Americans together. We all want Justice here.


Thank you.

You are very welcome. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
1.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Suz @1.1.3    4 months ago

I don't want to answer for KD, but I want the info out:

"Security footage from a restaurant near where George Floyd was taken into custody by Minneapolis police officers on Monday shows him turning around to look at his handcuffed wrists and grimacing in pain."

https://www.insider.com/surveillance-video-george-floyd-minneapolis-police-arrest-death-2020-5

In addition, it seems this type of behavior was not the first time for one of these officers:

https://news.yahoo.com/officer-involved-george-floyd-death-181627259.html

 
 
 
JohnRussell
2  JohnRussell    4 months ago

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Vic Eldred
2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    4 months ago

We are all on the same page on this one John. I'm proud to be first.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Answer:

Between 1860 and 1906, 27 people were executed by  hanging  in Minnesota. Following the botched execution of murderer  William Williams  in 1906, public opinion in the state turned against the death penalty. In 1911, an abolition bill was signed into law, outlawing the death penalty in Minnesota.

Since 1911, there have been 23 attempts to reinstate the death penalty in Minnesota, with the most recent being in 2005, but none of these bills passed the state legislature. [1]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_Minnesota



Will Derek Chauvin even make it to trial or will he be killed?

How fast can the wheels of Justice turn?

At least the President acted swiftly......within hours!

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3    4 months ago
Between 1860 and 1906, 27 people were executed by  hanging  in Minnesota.

That is totally incorrect. December 26th, 1862, 38 Dakota Indians were hung in Mankato MN. There is a memorial ride every year in December which ends in Mankato on December 26th. It's known as the 38 + 2. As two more Dakota people were hung after the 26th. 

The FBI was called in by the Chief of Police a few days ago.

The cops claimed that he was resisting arrest, a new videotape from a security camera at a nearby store shows that he never resisted arrest. 

Police brutality against minorities has been part of the Minneapolis police department for decades. The American Indian Movement started in Minneapolis in 1968 to fight against cops for the exact same reason that we saw in this murder of a black man.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1    4 months ago

I believe the Wikipedia article refers to those who were sentenced to hanging as opposed to lynchings.

So, it is you who are incorrect.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 months ago

No, you and Wiki are incorrect. The mass execution of Dakota Indians was a legal hanging by the state of MN and with the concurrence of Abraham Lincoln President of the US. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1.2    4 months ago
The mass execution of Dakota Indians was a legal hanging by the state of MN

For what reason was it legal?

And how about a link?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.4  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 months ago

And Wikipedia is your go to source????

Probably right - we Indians just don't know our history.

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.1    4 months ago

They were not "lynched" as opposed to "hanging".

They were POWs executed by hanging.

https://www.usdakotawar.org/history/aftermath/trials-hanging

https://www.startribune.com/dec-26-1862-38-dakota-men-executed-in-mankato/138273909/

Now you can split hair all day about hanging, lynchings, which courts ordered it,

but they were hung, they are dead, and Kavika was correct.

It's just another inconvenient thing not taught as part of history "written by the winners".

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2017/06/08/mankato-hangings-an-uneasy-topic-for-minnesota-schools

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.3    4 months ago
or what reason was it legal?

They were war criminals. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.5    4 months ago

Thanks for the links.

"To-day has been an eventful one for this hitherto quiet little town; and a scene has been here enacted the like of which, those of us who witnessed it, desire to see again nevermore. I allude to the execution of thirty-eight of the condemned Indians, ordered by President LINCOLN to be executed for participation in the late massacres in this State."

So in other words they slaughtered some people in Minnesota?


And Kavika is calling that " brutality against minorities"




 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.8  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    4 months ago
And Kavika is calling that " brutality against minorities"

WTF are you talking about? Where did I say this was brutality against minorities. I pointed out to you that you were wrong and so was Wiki on the number of hangings in the state of MN. Don't try to put words in my mouth.

As for the massacre, it would actually be best if you actually read the history of this instead of spouting off about something that you have no knowledge. Or better yet the history of the US government and Indians if you want to talk about history.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.9  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    4 months ago

Don't think so Sean - they were killed because of race - period.

Angelique EagleWoman, a Sisseton-Wahpeton Dakota professor of law at the University of Idaho College of Law criticized the actions of Lincoln. She previously told Indian Country Today, “I think he should have followed general military practice at the time. They should have been released. He made a political decision, made based on the racial hatred … Lincoln was a lawyer, knew that this was improper.”

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/the-traumatic-true-history-and-name-list-of-the-dakota-38-3awsx1BAdU2v_KWM81RomQ

When five Indian men kill 4 white men, 303 Indians are convicted of murder and sentenced for execution.  Jeeezzzz - white math sure is weird, eh?

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    4 months ago

Let me know when you stop digging.

You jumped the shark, own it.

And Kavika is calling that " brutality against minorities"

Where?  I don't see that any where...

Wow...

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.9    4 months ago

How many men were required ?

512

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.12  1stwarrior  replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.7    4 months ago

they slaughtered some people in Minnesota?

You really do need to read/LEARN some history Vic - 'specially from RELIABLE sources, which Wiki ain't.

The people/men of Minnesota BEGAN the Dakota War because the Dakota would not/could not stay on their reservation that had shrunk 90% in two years.  What land they were left with could not sustain the people.  The Dakota kept asking Congress and the President for their lands back or relocation to a larger land base.  AS USUAL, Congress and the President ignored their requests which forced the tribal members to go outside the rez boundaries to hunt, fish, gather crops, go to the "Federal" stores for goods GUARANTEED by their existing 1858 treaty which they weren't receiving.

Really interesting how this phrase keeps on coming up and getting reused - "It's a massacre if Indians kill whites, but it's a great military victory when whites kill whole villages of Indians..Sand Creek etc etc etc"

My recommendation again - read/learn some White/Indian history and quit using Wiki.  Remember - Wiki is a self/open editing platform and you get all kinds of incorrect shyte.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.13  1stwarrior  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.11    4 months ago

Gee, there were only 4,000 witnesses to the hangings, so, surely they didn't need that many troops, eh?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.6    4 months ago

So were the confederate soldiers Sean. He didn't hang them:

D ecember 26, 1862: thirty-eight Dakota Indians were hanged in Mankato, Minnesota, in the largest mass execution in US history–on orders of President Abraham Lincoln. Their crime: killing 490 white settlers, including women and children, in the Santee Sioux uprising the previous August.

The execution took place on a giant square scaffold in the center of town, in front of an audience of hundreds of white people. The thirty-eight Dakota men “wailed and danced atop the gallows,” according to   Robert K. Elder   of   The New York Times , “waiting for the trapdoors to drop beneath them.” A witness reported that, “as the last moment rapidly approached, they each called out their name and shouted in their native language: ‘I’m here! I’m here!’ ”

Lincoln’s treatment of defeated Indian rebels against the United States stood in sharp contrast to his treatment of Confederate rebels. He never ordered the executions of any Confederate officials or generals after the Civil War, even though they killed more than 400,000 Union soldiers. The only Confederate executed was the commander of Andersonville Prison—and for what we would call war crimes, not rebellion.

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/largest-mass-execution-us-history-150-years-ago-today/

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.15  Kavika   replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.12    4 months ago

When the Dakota were starving and begging for food and monies that were due to them they were told by the traders and Indian agent ''let them eat grass''...

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.9    4 months ago
on't think so Sean - they were killed because of race - pe

They were killed because they participated in the rape, murder and mutilations of hundreds of civilians.  

The Feds didn't simply decide to go out and hang some Indians on a whim because they were Indians. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.14    4 months ago
So were the confederate soldiers Sean. He didn't hang them:

The Indians were not hung for rebelling. They were hung for rape, murder and mutilating civilians, not soldiers. 

Lincoln hung Union soldiers for those  crimes, let alone Confederates. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
3.1.18  1stwarrior  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.17    4 months ago

"Lincoln knew well that the lust for Dakota blood could not be ignored; to prevent any executions from going forward might well have condemned all 303 to death at mob hands.  Lincoln asked two clerks to go through the commission's trial records and identify those prisoners convicted of raping women or children.  They found only two ."

Lincoln then asked his clerks to search the records a second time and identify those convicted of participating in the massacres of settlers.  This time the clerks came up with the thirty-nine names included in Lincoln's handwritten order of execution written on December 6, 1862.

http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/dakota/Dak_account.html

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.19  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.4    4 months ago
And Wikipedia is your go to source????

I only sought to know if Minnesota had the death penalty. They don't!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.20  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1.8    4 months ago
Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I didn't! I let you have your say and I didn't move any goal posts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.16    4 months ago

There were atrocities committed on both sides during the Indian wars.  The idea seems to be simply to contradict a link I posted in order to challenge everything in the article.

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.22  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.20    4 months ago
And Kavika is calling that " brutality against minorities"

That is an outright lie as I called you on it and asked you to point out where I said that. You can't because I never did. 

And you didn't allow me to do anything this is a discussion site so unless this is a private group I can and will comment anytime I see fit. If you don't like it talk to a moderator.

So I'm calling BS on your comment. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.16    4 months ago
They were killed because they participated in the rape, murder and mutilations of hundreds of civilians.  

You left out the word "white"...

The Feds didn't simply decide to go out and hang some Indians on a whim because they were Indians. 

Sure they did, for the same reasons that thee Feds broke treaties and failed to provide the tribes food.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.24  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1.22    4 months ago
That is an outright lie

There is no outright lie, Kavika. I used Wikipedia as a source. Stop calling people liars and talking about people behind their backs!


And you didn't allow me to do anything

No?  If it didn't have a racial component to it I would have ruled you off topic. You had your rant, I let you go all the way!


So I'm calling BS on your comment. 

Your'e not calling anybody on anything, certainly not to their faces!

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.25  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.17    4 months ago
The Indians were not hung for rebelling. They were hung for rape, murder and mutilating civilians, not soldiers.

Sure they were. but only if the victims were white.

Lincoln hung Union soldiers for those  crimes, let alone Confederates. 

I'm sure you can provide links proving Lincoln was involved with any other hangings during the Civil War.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
3.1.26  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.17    4 months ago
The Indians were not hung for rebelling. They were hung for rape, murder and mutilating civilians, not soldiers. 

Confederate and union soldiers did the same thing, yet they got a pass. 

https://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/rape-and-justice-in-the-civil-war/

and what you are calling murder, was an uprising for another treaty that was broken. 

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.27  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.24    4 months ago

I pointed out the comment you made and it was a lie. It had nothing to do with Wikipedia. It was not rant it was pointing out that comment was full of shit and a lie.

Deal with that. 

Your'e not calling anybody on anything, certainly not to their faces!

LOL, really!!! your comment is BS. So there you go, to your face.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.28  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1.27    4 months ago
I pointed out the comment you made and it was a lie.

No it wasn't. The point was that Minnesota has no death penalty!


It had nothing to do with Wikipedia.

It had everything to do with it. That was the source. Maybe you should take it up with them?


It was not rant it was pointing out that comment

It was nothing short of a social activist rant and an obvious attempt to derail the seed!



So there you go, to your face.

Nice try, but that's not what you do!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.29  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @3.1.26    4 months ago
ate and union soldiers did the same thing, yet they got a pass. n. 

What are you talking about? Your own link points out that rape by a soldier was punishable by death.

ate and union soldiers did the same thing, yet they got a pass. 

acknowledge and protect, in hostile countries occupied by them, religion and morality; strictly private property; the persons of the inhabitants, especially those of women” (Article 37); that “all robbery, all pillage or sacking, even after taking a place by main force, all rape, wounding, maiming, or killing of such inhabitants, are prohibited under the penalty of death” (Article 44);

I notice you skipped the part about murdering civilians. Whoops!

t you are calling murder, was an uprising for another treaty that was broken. 

Imagine justifying the murder of children. Wow!  

Of course intentionally killing children is murder and unjustifiable. At least I thought it was. 

So in your world, Palestinians in an "uprising" are justified to walk into schools and murder  Israeli kids.  And none shall call it murder. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.30  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.25    4 months ago

Sure they were. but only if the victims were white

Really? which black civilians were US Army troops allowed to murder in cold blood without punishment? 

can provide links proving Lincoln was involved with any other hangings during the Civil War.

Of course he was. He signed (or commuted)  every death warrant issued by a military tribunal

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.31  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.28    4 months ago
And Kavika is calling that " brutality against minorities"

That is your comment...Point out where I ever said that, you can't so it's a lie Vic, it's BS.

And your comment has nothing to do with Wikipedia. 

And here it is again, it's a fucking lie and that is to your face. 

Too bad that you can't admit that your comment is a lie and BS. But that seems pretty standard.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
3.1.32  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @3.1.31    4 months ago
Point out where I ever said that, you can't

I can't?

How about way back in post # 3.1

"Police brutality against minorities has been part of the Minneapolis police department for decades." 


Who was that?  Somebody impersonating you?



Too bad that you can't admit that your comment is a lie and BS. But that seems pretty standard.

As you call it "pond scum.'   How's this for "pond scum?"

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.33  Sean Treacy  replied to  1stwarrior @3.1.18    4 months ago

That just backs up what I wrote, First.

Unless you arguing that the US Army would not have hung troops for massacring  hundreds of civilians then you can't say they only punished the Indians because of their race.

Murder is murder. At a time when death sentences were handed down for falling asleep on duty, it's preposterous to argue that the cold blooded massacre of hundreds of civilians (including numerous kids) would not have gone unpunished by the Army. 

 
 
 
Kavika
3.1.34  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @3.1.32    4 months ago

too bad you can't differentiate between decades back to the '60s and centuries. 

In all your vast experience with Minneapolis, the Minneapolis police department, AIM and racism that has existed for decades please give me a rundown on it. 

Nice try but once again you fell flat on your face. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.35  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.30    4 months ago
Really? which black civilians were US Army troops allowed to murder in cold blood without punishment?

Anyone they damned well pleased.  please prove otherwise.

He signed (or commuted)  every death warrant issued by a military tribunal

Then there should be plenty of books full of examples of Lincoln's signatures on such documents.

Please produce them.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
3.1.36  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.35    4 months ago
Anyone they damned well pleased.  please prove otherwise.

Do you ever bother to prove your agitprop? No, of course not. Just the usual America is evil so I project whatever nonsense I want without recourse to facts or reality that usually provide. 

Maybe you should start with reading the article posted above detailing the punishment of a white officer for raping a black woman. 

Or, you know, prove an argument for once. 

d be plenty of books full of examples of Lincoln's signatures on such documents

Ah,  literally demanding books of millitary orders as "proof." on the internet.  I see desperation has set in. 

"During the Civil War, Lincoln reviewed over 1600 cases of military justice. The largest single topic that can be found in Lincoln’s telegrams is the reviewing and answering of appeals of military court martial decisions, especially the pardoning of scheduled executions (Wheeler, T. 2006). "

http://wiki.lincolntelegrams.com/index.php?title=Lincoln%27s_Justification_for_Acts_of_Clemency#:~:text=During%20the%20Civil%20War%2C%20Lincoln,1600%20cases%20of%20military%20justice.&text=and%20Daivd%20Kincaid%20of%20Northern,civil%20pardons%20while%20in%20office.

Admit you were wrong yet?

 
 
 
Split Personality
3.1.37  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.1.36    4 months ago
Do you ever bother to prove your agitprop? No, of course not. Just the usual America is evil so I project whatever nonsense I want without recourse to facts or reality that usually provide. 

Glad your power to read what is not there has not improved yet.

You asked

Really? which black civilians were US Army troops allowed to murder in cold blood without punishment?

I answered, " Anyone they damned well pleased.  please prove otherwise".

Then you stated

He signed (or commuted)  every death warrant issued by a military tribunal

Bravo!   You produced zero evidence that he signed any death warrants for Union or Confederate soldiers with your link/

In fact, almost every Union soldier or "galvanized" Southerner was converted to Federal troops transferred to the West for Indian control throughout the Civil War.  Another issue that contributed to the way the Indians were treated.

Only the Southern forces made it a habit of executing soldiers, mainly for desertion or a combination of deserting and switching sides.  Raping and pillaging just wasn't that high on the list unles the accused was Indian or black.

https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Military_Executions_During_the_Civil_War#start_entry

Although Lincoln promised "an eye for an eye " to protect Black Union troops, there is no evidence that he ever followed through with the threats,

https://slate.com/human-interest/2013/08/abraham-lincoln-the-president-s-general-order-to-protect-black-pows-from-confederate-punishment.html

Now if you cannot produce any death warrants the Lincoln signed condoning the execution of any Civil War soldiers

please move along.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
3.1.38  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Kavika @3.1.2    4 months ago
The mass execution of Dakota Indians was a legal hanging by the state of MN

Just because it was "legal" doesn't mean it was right.  Remember, slavery was "legal".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    4 months ago

I think it is probably fair to say that Derek Chauvin did not intend for George Floyd to die under his knee, he just wanted Floyd to suffer. Chauvin was torturing Floyd, pressing his head and face into the pavement with his knee and putting pressure on his neck arteries.  You would have thought Floyd was a terrorist who had just blown up a building with hundreds of people inside instead of what he was arrested for, trying to pass a bad check.  

Reports are that Floyd was handcuffed while he lay on the ground under Chauvin's knee, and thus could not be "resisting arrest" for those six minutes.  It seems that Chauvin, and the cops that watched this, literally don't have a defense. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 months ago
I think it is probably fair to say that Derek Chauvin did not intend for George Floyd to die under his knee, he just wanted Floyd to suffer.

Are you saying Chauvin should be charged with manslaughter?


Reports are that Floyd was handcuffed while he lay on the ground under Chauvin's knee, and thus could not be "resisting arrest" for those six minutes.

That is a fact!


It seems that Chauvin, and the cops that watched this, literally don't have a defense. 

No they don't, they just gave a black eye to the 99.9% of decent members of law enforcement

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 months ago

Manslaughter, but also whatever laws would relate to him torturing a suspect, which I'm sure would bring many years in prison itself. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.1    4 months ago

Fair enough, but would it satisfy the mob now burning & looting parts of Minneapolis?

 
 
 
r.t..b...
4.1.3  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 months ago
they just gave a black eye to the 99.9% of decent members of law enforcement

Totally agree, Vic.

It is a tough enough job, and when rogue officers cross the line, it only reinforces the verifiable abuses perpetrated by a small fraction of law enforcement officials. While some lament the influence of social media, when independent documentation of heinous abuses occur, it only confirms the need that the systemic abuses that have gone unchecked will thankfully, at the very least, finally be addressed.

Here's to those that put their lives on the line with every shift...with the understanding that those that cross the line do not represent the essential and critical role you play in keeping our society function, crazy as that may be these daze.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @4.1.3    4 months ago

You and I are on the same page AND it is also reasonable to look at it from the standpoint of Civil Rights violations and a possible "Hate Crime."

 
 
 
1stwarrior
4.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @4    4 months ago

There is only the "suspicion" for the check forgery.  Chauvin needs to get the full course of law and penalties against him.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
4.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  1stwarrior @4.2    4 months ago

Under Minnesota law.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  JohnRussell    4 months ago
NBC News
@NBCNews
· 9h
Minneapolis police officer at the center of George Floyd's death had been with the department since 2001. During his career, he was the subject of a dozen police conduct complaints; he was never disciplined, records show. https:// nbcnews.to/2TLWL1P
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This is probably the end of Amy Klobuchar's vice presidential hopes.  She evidently passed on charging Chauvin with any excessive force crimes while she was a Minneapolis area prosecutor. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 months ago
It seems that Chauvin, and the cops that watched this, literally don't have a defense. 

Amy Klobuchar's hopes were already dead.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  JohnRussell    4 months ago

Floyd was killed on Monday and it was national news on Tuesday. Trump tweeted about it late Wednesday afternoon

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
At my request, the FBI and the Department of Justice are already well into an investigation as to the very sad and tragic death in Minnesota of George Floyd....
5:39 PM · May 27, 2020 · Twitter for iPhone
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Lol. Vic do you know how many tweets Trump made since the George Floyd story broke in the national news Tuesday morning? 
Many dozens.  He has tweeted , endlessly, yesterday , about Obamagate, Flynn, Russia hoax, FISA, the media, Twitter, ....... and one measly tweet about what happened in Minneapolis, well more than 24 hours after it had become national news. 
He is bragging that HE asked the FBI and the DOJ to investigate the Floyd death.  It's not as if that wouldnt have happened without Trump's influence. Its just silly for this clown to take credit for anything related to this. 
 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

Oh, I see the title of this little piece has finally sunk in!


To out readers:  President Trump has the FBI and the once infamous DOJ's Civil Right's Division on the case!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    4 months ago

I took about 10 minutes to scroll through Trump's last 75 or so tweets. 

ONE of them is about George Floyd. 

2 or 3 of them are peripherally about the coronavirus epidemic in the US. (mocking Joe Biden wearing a mask, and something about china)

the other 70 are about Mueller, Flynn, FISA, conspiracy theories about "Obamagate" ,  and how badly he is treated by the media and twitter. 

Your boy is going down in flames and has no idea how to stop it. The more he does this stuff, the lower his approval goes. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    4 months ago

384

Keep it up John - don't let a single thing slide by.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.2    4 months ago

NO ONE is going to stop criticizing the worst president in American history. 

You are the one beating a dead horse. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    4 months ago

You need black Americans to follow you. You should fear this article!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.3    4 months ago

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Greg Jones
6.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    4 months ago

Why does there need to be more than one?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
6.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

With Ahmaud Arbery, Trump faced criticism for suggesting that something could have happened off-camera that contributed to the shooting in Brunswick, Georgia.

"You know, it could be something that we didn’t see on tape," Trump said during a Fox News interview.

He added that he trusted the State of Georgia to investigate properly.

His concern with George Floyd is entirely self-motivated.

On a personal note, I hate that Mr. Floyd's friends and family are having to go through such a tragedy.  Protesting peacefully is appropriate.  However nothing justifies the looting and burning of businesses.  The 4 officers were fired immediately and will be facing a slew of indictments, including murder.  The people that are there to loot and burn businesses don't give one flying fart about George Floyd.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.2    4 months ago

I'm surprised to see you here.  You've interpreted the President's "motives" once again.

I think black Americans might just think he did the right thing.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
6.2.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.2.1    4 months ago
You've interpreted the President's "motives" once again.

Trump's motives need no interpretation.  He wears them like a MAGA hat.  Don't forget, he coined the phrase, "There are good people...on both sides."

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
6.2.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @6.2.2    4 months ago

Sounds like you are "all in" again.

Black Americans all over the country are watching and they are standing with this President. Let's see if this is a "hate crime?"

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
6.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago
do you know how many tweets Trump made since the George Floyd story broke in the national news Tuesday morning? 
Many dozens. 

Oh, we know.  We've heard you freaking out over ever last one of them. 

and one measly tweet about what happened in Minneapolis, well more than 24 hours after it had become national news. 

And now you are freaking out over this.  

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8  Paula Bartholomew    4 months ago

A bunch of protesters swarmed the 101 freeway yesterday and attacked two police cars.  One of those morons jumped on the hood of the first car.  The officer sped off, the protester falling off.  The second car attempted to get to the man to make sure he wasn't injured badly but was attacked, a skateboard thrown through the back window.  The actions of the crowd also delayed medical treatment for the potentially badly injured protester.  Once the crowd became violent, they lost any support I might have had for them.  Now with people using this as an excuse to burn and loot, they have totally disrespected  Mr. Floyd's memory.  BLM should stand for Burn Loot Maim.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
8.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8    4 months ago

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
8.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8    4 months ago

Holy shit.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
8.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @8    4 months ago

For clarification: This isn't we the sheeple - It's We The People. I just want everyone to know.


 BLM should stand for Burn Loot Maim.

I agree and I agree with the rest of your commentary.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
8.3.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.3    4 months ago

Thank you.  I appreciate that.

 
 
 
Kathleen
9  Kathleen    4 months ago

All the officers involved should be investigated and let the law handle what will be appropriate.  

Condolences to the family of Mr. Floyd.

As for the looting and damage to property and people getting hurt. Peaceful protesting is fine, but not all this violence and destruction.  It never solves anything and it only hurts innocent citizens.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @9    4 months ago
BLM should stand for Burn Loot Maim.

The rioters who can be identified on video should also be prosecuted to the full extent of Minnesota law.

 
 
 
Kathleen
9.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    4 months ago

Yes they should.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kathleen @9.1.1    4 months ago

Let's see if that happens.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    4 months ago

Some have, both there and here according to my local news.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
9.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.3    4 months ago

Really?  Could you show us?

 
 
 
MAGA
9.1.5  MAGA  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    4 months ago

I hope all these protesters are using social distancing and using precautions...other than masks to hide their identity.  

 
 
 
shona1
9.2  shona1  replied to  Kathleen @9    4 months ago

A/noon...Once the footage was shown here it was a forgone conclusion what was going to happen next...The powder keg was lit. Seems to be something amiss in this Police Force. They shoot an Aussie dead for calling the cops and a black man who is already handcuffed dies...Here the general verdict is straight out murder and I hope the cop is charged with such. All he had to do was remove his knee...had the distinct impression he was enjoying his 15 minutes of fame while the life of a fellow human ebbed away...at his own doing...Never saw any footage of once the cops realised he was not breathing what were they doing and how were they acting...But all to late...However It is a sad reflection that people both black and white use this as an excuse to burn and loot and I assume it is their own neighbourhood..In the cold light of day it will be the honest folk who once again live there, pay the price for the feral minority. Such a preventable death and one that should never of happened in the first place....I had thought why doesn't someone push the cop off him, but they would probably have been shot dead...Feel for the family and friends of Mr Floyd...and the people who filmed it they must have felt so helpless knowing their lives were at risk if they intervened...What a horrible situation especially Mr Floyds family when they saw the footage...

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
10  author  Vic Eldred    4 months ago

Be back in 5

Group mods take charge

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11  JohnRussell    4 months ago

For two whole days there were no articles on NT about George Floyd. 

I was waiting to see if anyone would seed anything. 

When anti -police protest "riots" developed, an article was finally seeded. 

Sounds about 'right'. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
11.1  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @11    4 months ago
For two whole days there were no articles on NT about George Floyd. 
Why didn't you post on?. Where is your outrage over this obvious murder?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11    4 months ago

Aren't you glad it was a Conservative?

And it wasn't the riots that garnered my interest - It was the President standing up for black America!!!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2    4 months ago
- It was the President standing up for black America!!!

you have a vivid imagination

 
 
 
GaJenn78
11.2.2  GaJenn78  replied to  JohnRussell @11.2.1    4 months ago

[deleted] Everyone here is having a decent convo about something serious and you are pissed because of how it was seeded????? I guess, since you couldnt find anything negative to seed about Trump on this you have to spout BS..... You are pissed because it took too long for someone to seed something about it? Where the hell were you? You always seem to be the first in line for things like this. And seriously, dont "@" me....I will not respond.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
11.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  GaJenn78 @11.2.2    4 months ago

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GaJenn78
11.2.4  GaJenn78  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.2    4 months ago

Damn......Someone is stomping feet, holding breath kinda mad.....Kinda like my girls use to try on me. 

As my girls would say to me now "He mad.....He's BiiiiiiG mad"

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
11.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  GaJenn78 @11.2.4    4 months ago

Funny how that works. All I know is that most Americans are united in demanding justice. I was proud of the President, proud of whoever fired the 4 cops and I was even proud of the Minneapolis mayor. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
12  Nerm_L    4 months ago

George Floyd was murdered, in public, by police officers.  When a badge becomes a license to commit murder then law enforcement has lost legitimacy.  

The only valid question is whether the perpetrators committed 1st or 2nd degree murder.

 
 
 
It Is ME
13  It Is ME    4 months ago

Diversity !

Officer Derek Chauvin
Officer Thomas Lane
Officer Tou Thao
Officer J Alexander Kueng

Not always a "Good Thing" !

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
13.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @13    4 months ago

The other 3 stood there!

It was hard to watch!

 
 
 
It Is ME
13.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @13.1    4 months ago

Yep !

"Alfred E. Newman" comes to mind with those cops. 

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Buzz of the Orient
14  Buzz of the Orient    4 months ago

I was watching the videos of the rioting today - looked a lot like Hong Kong.  National guard being called in?  Maybe the CCP should pass a resolution supporting the Minneapolis rioters, sort of like "tit for tat".  

 
 
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