More Treachery from the New York Times
The New York Times recently claimed via unnamed sources that the President had been briefed by US officials in February about Russia's payment of bounties to Taliban linked militants to kill US troops in Afghanistan. The President immediately denied he was briefed on this information and the story has immediately gone to page 1 status, above the riots and the pandemic.
Late Monday the Department of Defense issued this statement:
“To date, DOD has no corroborating evidence to validate the recent allegations found in open-source reports. Regardless, we always take the safety and security of our forces in Afghanistan—and around the world—most seriously and therefore continuously adopt measures to prevent harm from potential threats,” Jonathan Hoffman, the chief Pentagon spokesman, said in a statement.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pentagon-says-no-corroborating-evidence-to-stand-up-nyt-report-on-russian-bounties
Robert O’Brien, the national security adviser, said in a statement that since the allegations in the report were not verified by the intelligence community, Trump has not been briefed on the matter.
The question here is not whether there has been unverified intelligence indicating that Russia had offered this blood money, it is whether the President was briefed about it. You see, that is the way the New York Times framed the story. The idea of Russia doing such a thing is reduced to being the bludgeon or hook, so to speak. The Times story was framed around Trump and as we have seen so often in the past 3 years with Times stories about Trump, it is most likely a blatant lie.
It is after all barely 4 months to the election.
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Because we know that there are so many people who are willing to lie for Trump, or because they are afraid of Trump, and because Trump is a habitual and constant liar himself, I think it is likely we will never know if this story is true or to what extent it is true. Unless we have an Alexander Vindman type whistleblower. And after seeing the GOP stonewalling after Vindman came forward, such whistleblowers may now think it is not worth it.
John, there are records kept of briefings!
I don't mind our resident progressives running with this, but shouldn't the Times have the responsibility to prove a claim?
Just because you "know" something doesn't make it correct.
I have seen lots of people "know" incorrect stuff.
There is another so-called story out there today about a St Louis couple pointing guns at "peaceful protesters". The story shamefully left out the fact that the protesters tore down a chain link fence and were on private property!
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and just because you don't, does make it correct,
"There is another so-called story out there today about a St Louis couple pointing guns at "peaceful protesters". The story shamefully left out the fact that the protesters tore down a chain link fence and were on private property!"
You need to get your 'facts' straight Vic.
They didn't tear down a chain link fence.
They opened a gate.
They were indeed peaceful protesters.
XMdm9m whoever even posted a video on a seed, that I've since taken down, showing the protesters, going through an open gate, NOT TEARING DOWN A CHAIN LINK FENCE.
If this is what you consider "opening" a gate.
Let us know where you live so we can come over and "open" one of your gates or doors.
I was just about to share that too. Seems a lot of people are ok with these peaceful (my ass) protestors as long as it doesn’t happen where they live. IMO the ones supporting this would be the first ones to shit themselves if it actually came to their yard.
That picture isn't very clear. I don't see a chain link fence.
They must have broken the gate themselves after the peaceful protesters went on their way.
Yeah, that's what happened ..... /S
Tess only goes by what's in the picture, actual reports don't count!
They try that shit at my place ... citizens arrest. They resist that and persist? All bets are off for them.
I just wish these two would get a little gun safety/handling training. They are both scary looking when it comes to that. Especially the lady.
Y'all haven't proved otherwise, so I'm sure that's what happened.
Thanks, that photo has become the only evidence to be accepted!
Present the facts and they dance around!
"Tess only goes by what's in the picture, actual reports don't count!"
The actual reports don't say anything about a chain link fence or anyone tearing down a gate.
You have shown one blurry picture which really doesn't show anything.
Which facts?
Just doing her normal trolling thing ..... SOSDD.
She definitely could use a few lessons in proper weapon handling.
He ain't a lot better, he's flagging her big time.
I gave you the facts. Notice your friends aren't saying anything - because they know it too!
You know, the ones you keep ignoring!
"I just wish these two would get a little gun safety/handling training. They are both scary looking when it comes to that. Especially the lady."
They're idiots.
The dumb bitch stumbled and could have shot someone.
The dumb asshole was pointing his penis extension at her for a while also.
I don't care how many pictures you post of it. It's still blurry. It still doesn't show the peaceful protesters tearing it down.
After the fact. I'm sure the McCloskey's did it themselves.
I certainly don’t give a fuck what you think!
The feeling is mutual dear.
Not as dumb as the idiots breaking down wrought iron gates and trespassing on private property when the owners are armed.
Now there's some really stupid bitches and bastards. Very, very shallow gene pools there ..... all around
Thats what they all say, lol.
Why didnt they just go back into their multi million dollar house and have a sandwich?
From what I see of this video, none of the protesters even stepped foot on their lawn.
I guess that’s what you would have done, huh John?
Still no proof of the peaceful protesters breaking down the gate.
Would you have stepped foot on the lawn belonging to people holding guns? Hell John, you don't even have the balls to leave your dwelling to protest with the mobs you support.
John wouldn't have had enough balls to step foot out of the house
I sure hope that made more sense before you wrote it.
Still no empirical evidence of intelligent life from the people who believe they did it to their own property but that’s just SOSDD considering the source.
There is absolutely no credible evidence that this story is true. The leftists and their co-conspirators in the mass media have put out too many allegations that have been proven to be false, that they now have lost all credibility.
Russia, Russia, Russia !
That's all the TDS "Leftists" need !
They Loves Russians !
AND OTHERS TOO !
That horse left the barn long, long, long ago.
Can you find any of those photos post Crimea invasion? For a long time the US had been hoping Russia would adopt a democratic government and many Democrats and Republicans tried to work with them to further free and fair elections. Then Putin started assassinating journalists and political opponents, attacking and invading Ukraine, stuffing ballot boxes to ensure his own win and changed the Russian constitution to allow him to effectively remain leader for life, and on top of it all they hack State voter databases, hack US political party emails and weaponize them to make sure they get a say in who becomes the American President. Because of that Democrats and most Republicans backed off of trying to be so neighborly, but of course that's right when Trump started to cozy up to Putin. Now Putin is paying bounties on American soldiers because he has always been a vile piece of shit snake and only slimy treasonous Republicans who he aided in the 2016 election continue to give him any benefit of the doubt.
It doesn't matter !
They're all for it, until they're not, until they're for it, until they're not again !
They feel that " Red Crayon drawn Lines" (Talk) are enough to show they care, before they don't.
"Now Putin is paying bounties on American soldiers"
Verified ?
Or did you just like "The Story" ?
Vic your repeated and constant efforts to portray Trump as an innocent victim of something or other have fallen into the category of self satire.
A false accusation before an election would make him a victim, wouldn't it?
Or are you of the Harry Reid mindset that any lie is fair play if it defeats an opponent?
Isn't that the new Republican motto? Republicans continue to support a President who has lied to the American people over 18,000 times in the last 3 years, they obviously have no problem with liars and serial adulterers.
I'm sure you stood up and demanded right wing media stop reporting that Hillary was somehow tied to a pizza parlor child sex ring, right Vic? You wouldn't want anyone to victimize a candidate before an election with false accusations now would you?
I did call it out right here. That one was easy to knock down since it originated on Twitter. You will note that major newspapers and news organizations didn't rush out to spread that nonsense like they did with the Russia Collusion hoax. BIG DIFFERENCE!
Well, the facts showed, and still do, that Russia did in fact want Trump elected in 2016 and used government resources to help him win. They hacked 22 State voter databases, hacked private citizen emails and illegally released them in an effort to sabotage one of the US political parties, they spent $1.25 million a month on targeted media ads pretending to be domestic which reached up to 122 million Americans. None of that is a hoax, and that was what most media networks were reporting. The only thing that was never proved, likely because of all the liars Trump surrounded himself with, was proof of criminal conspiracy where Trump coordinated with the Russians or offered repayment for their timely illicit support. Personally, the fact that Putin desperately wanted Trump to win, and still does, is enough for me to oppose his nomination. Only sniveling treasonous pieces of shit would want to give Putin exactly what he wants instead of doing what's in the best interest of America and western democracy. I think the big difference is that I would enlist and take up arms to defend my fellow conservative Republicans if they were targeted and killed by Putin and his sick regime, whereas it seems that some Republicans would rather be Russians than Democrats so I don't see them standing up for their fellow citizens simply because they hate liberals, progressives and democrats more than they hate a vile dictator paying bounties on American soldiers lives.
Actually that is in dispute. There is growing evidence that John Brennan promoted that theory.
and used government resources to help him win.
It seems that Russia supported protests of both candidates. They did play upon our divisions.
They hacked 22 State voter databases, hacked private citizen emails and illegally released them in an effort to sabotage one of the US political parties, they spent $1.25 million a month on targeted media ads pretending to be domestic which reached up to 122 million Americans.
Why don't you document that, like I always have to? Did the FBI prove it? How about the CIA?
None of that is a hoax, and that was what most media networks were reporting.
Lol...They were "reporting" a good deal more than that!
The only thing that never proved, likely because of all the liars Trump surrounded himself with, was proof of criminal conspiracy where Trump coordinated with the Russians or offered repayment for their timely illicit support.
They ended up discrediting themselves for promoting that lie for 3 years. Now few believe them.
I think the big difference is that I would enlist and take up arms to defend my fellow conservative Republicans if they were targeted and killed by Putin and his sick regime, whereas it seems that some Republicans would rather be Russians than Democrats so I don't see them standing up for their fellow citizens simply because they hate liberals, progressives and democrats more than they hate a vile dictator paying bounties on American soldiers lives.
Then you are an amazing individual. Iv'e never known a progressive who wasn't soft and gushy on leftist authoritarian regimes. Thank you for the thought, but it's not Russia who just killed over 125,000 Americans.
As for the bounties you talk about - Please note that information is still being verified by the Intelligence agencies. As soon as they verify it, the President will be briefed. Hopefully whoever leaked what is classified information will be prosecuted.
that was not a hoax. It wasn't then and it isn't now.
It's interesting that you seem to hold more anger and hate for the leaker than for the Russian government that very likely has been paying bounties on US soldiers. It is rather telling as to where your loyalties lie.
And how did you get that idea? Because I want leakers punished, just like Obama did?
No where in your comments do you condemn the Russians, and as more and more comes out it seems clear it's not a hoax and the President was briefed on it months ago. The only condemnation you make is wanting the "leakers" prosecuted because you know that their leaking hurt your dear Leader's image and may make him look bad before an election. That seems to be the only thing on your mind, circling the wagons around dirty dishonest Donald, the most incompetent inept moron ever to disgrace the oval office.
You mean the Clinton campaign conspiring with unknown Russian operatives via Christopher Steele?
I see.
It's not my view of Russia that has changed. I regarded that government as an enemy all my life. I didn't suddenly get all upset over a brutal regime when a false narrative linked it to this President - LIKE SOME AROUND HERE!
The only condemnation you make is wanting the "leakers" prosecuted because you know that their leaking hurt your dear Leader's
It is national security that they injured! It's not me that looks at it through a political lense - It's those who are so full of hate that they endorse any action that would do harm to this President.
As this Trump scandal unfolds it keeps getting worse!
You mean for the media?
No, I mean Trump knowing and doing nothing!
Did you read the Post story you just linked?
Here:
Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe in a separate statement also didn’t mention Russia and said the intelligence community was “still investigating the alleged intelligence referenced in recent media reporting and we will brief the President and Congressional leaders at the appropriate time. This is the analytic process working the way it should.”
Read???
LMAO!
Correct and as of yesterday we had two seeds out there portraying the Times claims as some kind of a bombshell!
IT is a bombshell!
John Ratcliffe would lie for Donald Trump in a heartbeat. He is a lackey.
That settles that!
Thanks for all the factual insight. So we should classify the scurrilous Times claims as "proven true?"
That would be spelled t R u m p . . .
You need to check your "facts" in your post 2.2.1.
You are incorrect.
"John Ratcliffe would lie for Donald Trump in a heartbeat. He is a lackey."
Of course. They can't say the turd in chief is a liar, they're spineless, they'd lose their job.
Oh dear! Should I post that story as well?
Very well:
"The gun-toting couple drew their weapons on nearly 300 protesters in St Louis, Missouri, on Sunday who had demanded the resignation of the local mayor Lyda Krewson.
This is the chilling moment a married couple pull guns on protesters during a peaceful Black Lives Matter demonstration in the US
The pair brandished a handgun and an automatic weapon at the gathering which took place in St Louis, Missouri, on Sunday.
Reports say that around 300 people had broken down the entrance of a gated community and had attempted to march past when the confrontation took place.
The gun-toting couple, named locally as lawyers Mark and Patricia McCloskey, angrily warned protesters to stay away from their home in the wealthy, predominantly white neighbourhood of Forest Park.
One video circulating on social media shows the woman holding her gun at a protester wearing a 'Hands up, don't shoot' t-shirt."
The truth is the protesters had broken down the couples gate and was on their property!
You had enough mud slinging. Address topics or the discussion or I start ticketing.
I don't see anyone pulling down a chain link fence Vic, because it is not there.
Please show where the chain link fence was pulled down?
These protesters were on the sidewalk and the street.
There was no chain link fence.
Do you think these white trash with money folks had a chain link fence in front of their McMansion?
Even the video XMwhoever showed an iron gate that people walked through.
You see Vic, you brought up the subject/topic. You cannot get the last word in and then say it's off topic.
They couldn't get in without doing it. It was a gated community.
Here Tess, just for you:
Reports say that around 300 people had broken down the entrance of a gated community and had attempted to march past when the confrontation took place.
Those are the facts Tess!
I brought in for our progressive friends who believe every lie the media tells them!
"Reports say that around 300 people had broken down the entrance of a gated community and had attempted to march past when the confrontation took place."
Then they should have video/pictures of them actually breaking down the entrance of the gated community (not a chain link fence on the shyster lawyers McMansion property) (you said chain link fence) and since I don't see any actual video or pictures of these peaceful protesters tearing down any gate, I don't believe you.
At least I finally got you to read it! Getting you to believe something you don't want to believe is beyond my control.
Yes, isn't that odd? They had two stories up yesterday discussing the Times claim as if it was a proven fact. We have all these officials denying it.
All 'which' officials?
The ones I've already named for you. Sorry, your'e going to have to go back and read the comments
She not only believes it, she knows it's true. She's too bias to admit it.
Don't speak for MM.
You are incorrect.
Vic, why would the president of the United States post a photograph of two white people pointing guns at a group of black people?
John that's a news story. Let me ask you WHY DID THAT GANG OF THUGS TEAR DOWN A FENCE TO A GATED COMMUNITY AND CONGREGATE IN MENACING FASHION ON PRIVATE PROPERTY?
Because they didn't tear down any fence, and they weren't congregating in a menacing fashion. They were walking down the street to the DINO mayors' McMansion who doxxed those people.
Then the nasty DINO bitch took down the video and apologized for being a nasty bitch.
They certainly did - I highlighted it for you. It is in many other news reports. Can't you ever admit to a simple fact?
Highlighting what's in a report doesn't mean anything. I've seen a lot of video and saw no menacing, just people walking by the shyster couples McMansion.
No !
It was " IN/ON " the peoples property, not "BY IT" !
BS, they didn't tear down any fence/gate nor did they congregate in a menacing fashion. They simply opened the gate and walked through.
That was a different gate - take a look at Sparty's picture in Post # 2.2.20
Nice to know your'e always trying and right now you are on the side of the mob - a mob that was trespassing. You still want to defend them?
Thanks Kavika for the truth!
Do you see any chain link fence in front of the people's property being torn down?
I don't either.
Nope, same gate, after the fact.
Nope, walking by . . .
oh...forgot.... Reading ?
Still blurry.
After the fact.
I think Bonnie and Clyde broke it, after the fact.
Actually it's the same gate.
Always trying what Vic, just pointing out the facts something that you don't seem to want to acknowledge.
A mob? I saw people walking down the street and a couple comes out of their home with weapons. No one was on their property or threatening them...
Where they trespassing, seem they were on a private street. So now we shoot people walking down a private street, brilliant.
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There are definitely two gates. One on either side of the car access gate.
Prove it!
Always trying what Vic
Trying to contradict me. For what ends? Even if that was the only gate - they were trespassing!
A mob? I saw people walking down the street and a couple comes out of their home with weapons.
Aren't you the tolerant one! Except on certain occasions! Just like when the Covington kids supposedly got up in the agitators face.
No one was on their property or threatening them...
You a tiny piece of film and your'e fine with everything the mob did?
Where they trespassing, seem they were on a private street.
NO THEY WERE NOT - THEY WERE IN A PRIVATE GATED COMMUNITY!
So now we shoot people walking down a private street, brilliant.
They weren't shot, but again if it were me - I may have shot them!
That's so cute.
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So, am I now a lover of low life scum bag thugs (your description). But what does that say about a tough guy like you.......LOL
Yes, I'm sure a tough guy like you would have, but you'd now be in jail.
He wasn't directing it at you personally, don't do it to him.
You want to defend these "peaceful" protesters, right? Stick with that.
At my age I wouldn't mind it one bit! And let's stop getting personal.
Second and final warning
Let him respond for himself, Vic. He's certainly capable of answering, you don't need to carry his water.
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Hey man, when you're safe and sound in your own protected gated community, far, far away from lawless protestors, why worry right?
Of course there would be. The gate that was torn down/smashed was a small gate. I suspect they entered that way and opened the larger gate for their comrades.
The right to be safe & secure in your own home? No way! People who are upset about some issue come first/s
So show us dear where that fence on the other side was torn down.
We'll wait.
Well dear, It’s in all the pictures on this thread that you refuse to believe. Now, as you said, you don’t care what I think, so go stuff some twinkies in your big pie hole and leave me alone with your hate filled self.
Until I see video of the peaceful protesters destroying the gate, there is no reason to believe your version of the truth.
I'm sure that you do know what you're capable of it's the rest of us that have no idea except your comment/version of the event that may or may not have happened.
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Why not read what the President said:
"Almost every word a lie. In fact, the mob was not "black," whatever that means. And it definitely wasn't peaceful. It was murderous."
Why would we believe what the 'president' said?
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Media = PUT IT OUT THERE !
Reader = IS IT TRUE ?
Media = WE WILL FIND OUT AND TELL YOU ...... "LATER" ..... MAYBE !
The feeling is mutual dear.