This helps explain to me why Mrs. Clinton is hated by so many people.  Hatred that goes beyond common sense into the gray area of bat poop crazy.

Mr. Trump sells hatred.  Including hatred of 50% of our population-- women.  Even this guy feels that he is misogynistic!

So does Hillary and her democrat followers.

She also does a pretty good imitation of the school yard bully.

Thing is, Trump is an idiot, a very intelligent idiot but an idiot none the less, Hillary is not an idiot.

So the only logical conclusion is what she is and does is a knowing choice.

And that is a serious lack of personal integrity.

She called Richard Nixon a crook like many of you do, if Nixon is a simple crook, she is the criminal mastermind.

And we know she is a crook, the proof is being revealed weekly!

And her followers, believers and supporters are ignoring it.

That is called being willfully blind.... (or if you do not like the "willfully" application, it is then called being duped)

Trump has a certain kind of intelligence, but it does not translate to what he is doing now. 

He is a terrible public speaker. Terrible. One of the great myths of this whole thing is that he is a great communicator. He constantly repeats things he said two seconds ago. His speaking style is choppy and extremely disjointed. When he reads his speeches he looks stiff and robotic. 

Whom has she bullied?

College students, who didn't get their diploma?  Renters who couldn't get an apartment?  Bill?

Please...  She stuck by Bill, even though he publicly cheated on her-- honored her wedding vows.  She is a Christian, just as much as many of us, who profess to be Christian, are.  She is being painted as a liar and witch.  

We happen to be in the middle of an election, where BOTH candidates lie, where BOTH candidates are not the "ideal".  But, who is?  No one seems to have come forward, except for perhaps Bernie, that has integrity.  And he screwed himself when he said he was a socialist.  

Even this fellow, Mr. Schoenfeld, a republican, who worked on Mitt Romney's campaign, thinks that this pillorying of her has gone too far.  

Have you all lost any sense of reason?  It's one thing to constantly publish jokes and meme's about her lack of physical fitness to serve, but this has gone way beyond that.  It has gone into insanity.  

That we are polarized as a country can be seen here, in spades.  Can't we all take a deep breath, push back from the table, and stop this terrorizing of each other?  Can we all stop painting each other with broad brushes?  Can we somehow reach an agreement to tolerate each other?

I just want peace in my valley.  Period.  I had the, obviously misunderstood, idea that even the republicans would like an article from someone respected in their own party!  Can you all not put aside your hatred for one moment?

"Whom has she bullied?"

OMG Dowser are you frigging kidding me !?!?!?!?

Drew Pinsky’s six-year-old HLN show, “Dr. Drew On Call,” has been canceled by CNN, effective Sept. 22.   The decision came eight days after Pinsky’s comments on a radio show  on Aug. 17 questioning the health and medical care of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president. After looking at bits and pieces of Clinton’s health-care records she made public in 2015, he said he was “gravely concerned not just about her health, but her health care.”

Hillary Clinton was a willing partner in her husband's attacks. She always defended her husband politically and never gave any of her husband’s accusers a shred of sympathy or credibility. Jackson concludes that Hillary Clinton’s preference for her own political career over the well being of her husband’s victims make her a poor choice for feminists, the Democratic Party, or the American people. The nation’s voters will not soon forget these harrowing tales of victimization – and the role Hillary played in enabling them all.

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Hillary Clinton has ‘hit list’ spreadsheet of people who crossed her

Don’t believe it? During the closing of her 2008 campaign, two of her closest advisers created what Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes dramatically term a “political hit list” in an excerpt from their new book. The spreadsheet documented not only which Democrats had and hadn’t endorsed her, but any favors they’d done, extenuating circumstances, and, at one point, a betrayal rating on a 1-7 scale.

Here are some of the known sevenss:

• Claire McCaskill — “ Hate is too weak a word to describe the feelings that Hillary’s core loyalists still have for McCaskill,” Allen and Parnes write. The Clintons supported her in 2006 (as did Obama), but she coordinated her endorsement of Obama with two other women for maximum effect.
• Ted Kennedy — Delivered perhaps the most important endorsement to then-Sen. Barack Obama right before Super Tuesday in 2008. Years later, an aide joked about the fate of Hillary’s foes saying, “Bill Richardson: investigated; John Edwards: disgraced by scandal; Chris Dodd: stepped down. Ted Kennedy: dead.”
• Also on the list: John Kerry, Patrick Leahy, Bob Casey, Chris Van Hollen and Jay Rockefeller.

Most are well aware that politicians keep track of their allies and enemies — it’s the scope of the Clintons’ sphere that makes it unusual.

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Charles Ruff – Clinton lawyer – Died: 11/20/00

Charles Ruff was one of Clinton’s attorneys during the impeachment trial and was known to have inside infomration on the White House emails scandal as well. Original reports were that he died in an accident in his home although no details were given. Then the report changed to claim that he was found in his bedroom unconscious, then declared dead on arrival at the hospital. The authorities will provide no details other than the usual (and quite premature) assurances that there was no foul play involved.

Tony Moser – Anti-Corruption Journalist – Died: 6/10/00

Tony Moser, a critic of the Arkansas Democratic Party political machine, was killed as he crossed a street in Pine Bluff 10 days after being named a columnist for the Democrat-Gazette newspaper and two days after writing an article which exposed the looting of programs designed to obtain money from “Dead beat” parents to then give to their children.

The police declared that no crime had been committed since the anonymous driver of the 1995 Chevy Pickup truck that struck and killed Moser was not intoxicated nor was he speeding. In Arkansas, that apparently makes it legal to run down a politically unpopular journalist.

James McDougal – Crook – Died 3/08/98

Jim McDougal was serving his 3-year sentence for bank fraud at the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center in Texas, a facility operated by the federal Bureau of Prisons for inmates who need medical attention.

Just prior to another round of testimony before Kenneth Starr’s grand jury, and while the reporters who were covering that story were two hours away covering a standoff situation in Waco that just “went away”, Jim McDougal suffered a heart attack while in solitary confinement. Left alone for too long, when Jim McDougal was taken out of solitary, instead of attempting to defibrillate his heart with equipment on hand at the facility, he was driven over to John Peter Smith hospital. Not the closest hospital to the Fort Worth Federal Medical Center, John Peter Smith hospital is a welfare hospital, where (in the words of one local) ,”They let interns practice on deadbeats”.

NEW! The Fort Worth Star-Telegram acquired the official report of the McDougal death via a Freedom Of Information Act request, and report that doctors ignored McDougal’s signs of imminent death.

John Millis – Staff Director of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence Committee – Died: 6/4/00

Millis had just helped the HPSCI complete it’s “investigation” into alleged CIA cocaine smuggling which predictably (given that Millis was himnself a long time CIA agent) concluded that the CIA was innocent of all allegations of wrongdoing. Fairfax, Virginia police were tipped off by an anonymous phone call claiming that “a man” was threatening suicide in a motel room. Police arrived to find Millis dead of a gunshot wound. As was the case with Vincent Foster and Sandy Hume, the death was immediatly declared a suicide.

Ron Miller – Witness – Died 10/12/97

Ron Miller, investigated by authorities over the sale of his company, Gage Corp. to Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. was the man who tape recorded Gene and Nora Lum and turned those tapes (and other records) over to congressional oversight investigators. The Lums were sentenced to prison for campaign finance violations, using “straw donors” to conceal the size of their contributions to various candidates. Indeed, Dynamic Energy Resources, Inc. had hired Ron Brown’s son Michael solely for the purpose of funneling $60,000 through him to the Commerce Secretary, according to Nolanda Hill’s testimony.

Reportedly a healthy man, Ron suddenly took ill on October 3rd, and steadily worsened until his death 9 days later. (This pattern fits Ricin poisoning.) Owing to the strangeness of the illness, doctors at the Integris Baptist Medical Center referred the matter to the Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office.

The Oklahoma State Medical Examiner’s Office promptly ran tests on samples of Ron Miller’s blood, but has refused to release the results or even to confirm that the tests were ever completed.

Sandy Hume – Journalist – Died 2/22/98

On Sunday, February 22nd, 1998, Sandy Hume, the 28-year-old son of journalist Britt Hume, was reportedly found dead in his Arlington, Virginia home. Aside from the statement that this was an “apparent” suicide, there remains in place a total media blackout on this story, possibly out of concern that the actual facts will not withstand public scrutiny. Indeed, it was reported in Associated Press that the Arlington Police were not responding to any inquiries.

Hume was a reporter for The Hill magazine, newspaper about Congress for Congress, and had broken a major story in 1997 regarding the friction between House Speaker Newt Gingrich and a faction led by Representative Paxon (who announced his resignation just 24 hours after Hume’s death).

In addition, Sandy Hume had just joined the staff at Fox TV News and was just three weeks into a job that represented the pinnacle of his young career. Oddly enough, aside from echoing the one Associated Press story, the Fox News website has ignored the death of its newest commentator.

Sandy already had a reputation for getting the story that nobody else wanted to look at. It is worth noting that his death came hard on the heels of reports that “a reporter” was about to break a story confirming the White House’s use of investigators to dig up dirt on critics.

It has recently been confirmed that the man who performed the as-yet-unreleased autopsy is none other than Dr. James C. Beyer, who has a record of concealing homicides behind a ruling of suicide.

Kenneth Starr’s “suicidologist” Dr. Alan L. Berman has waded in again and as he did in the Foster death ruled it “100% certain that this is a suicide and can be nothing else”.

Daniel A. Dutko – C-chairman of Leadership 2000 – Died: 7/27/99

Daniel A. Dutko, 54, was the co-chairman of Leadership 2000, the Democratic National Committee’s main fund-raising effort. He held many other high-level political positions, including vice chairman of finance for Clinton-Gore in 1995; finance chairman of the 53rd inaugural ball; and vice chairman of finance for the DNC in 1996 (when the Chinese money poured in). Attributed to a bicycle accident in which it’s claimed he struck his head on the concretetwice.

THE MOST FAMOUS

John F. Kennedy Jr. – Potential Candidate for Senator from New York – Died: 7/16/99

Within days of an NBC Dateline story hinting at a possible run for the Senate seat currently assumed to be the property of Hillary Clinton, JFK Jr. and his wife and sister-in-law died when the Piper Saratoga II TC JFK Jr. was piloting crashed in to the ocean just short of Martha’s Vineyard. The NEWSWEEK issue for the following Monday, which NBC Dateline had reported would announce JFK Jr’s candidacy, was yanked from distributors and destroyed.

Even before the wreckage of the plane had been found, the media was saturated with news stories declaring the weather to have been very hazy (the weather was VFR conditions, and 8 mile visibility, plus weather radar and witnesses on Martha’s Vineyard all reported clear skies) making it impossible for JFK Jr. to know which way was up (he also had working instruments in the aircraft).

As was the case when TWA 800 was shot down, the United States Navy took control of the crash site, ordering an unprecedented 5 mile wide no-fly zone while the wreckage of the aircraft was recovered and taken to a military base.

Reporters Cindy Adams and Andrew Goldman have documented the planting of false information about JFK Jr. in the media in the days following his crash. The feeding of false information to the press proves there is a cover-up. The existance of a cover-up is why JFK Jr. gets an entry on the Dead Bodies List.

According to some reports, Mrs. Kennedy was pregnant.

Mary Mahoney – White House Intern – Died 7/7/97

An attractive 25-year-old woman, Mary was a former White House Intern for Bill Clinton working as the Assistant Manager at a Starbuck’s Coffee shop in Georgetown.

In the pre-trial publicity surrounding Paula Jones lawsuit Mike Isikoff had dropped hints that a “former White House staffer” with the initial “M” was about to go public with her story of sexual harassment at 1600 Pennsylvania. Just days later, gunmen entered the Starbuck’s while the crew was cleaning up after closing.

Mary’s two associates, Aaron Goodrich, 18 and Emory Evans, 25, were taken to a room and shot. Mary herself had five bullets in her, from at least two different guns, most likely with silencers.

A total of ten shots were fired; none of them heard by neighbors in the densely populated Georgetown section. Mary was shot in the chest, her face, and in the back of the head. Someone wanted her very dead. Or to send a message. Even though more than $4000 remained in the store, the police have categorized the triple murder as a robbery, even as they acknowledge the “execution style” killings.

There was no sign of forced entry, which means that either Mary of one of the employees let the killers in (at least one hour after closing). That means that the killers included at least one person known to the victims. One report is that the Starbuck’s was still locked when the bodies were found the next morning. Robbers don’t bother locking doors. George Stephenopolis, Monica Lewinsky, and Chelsea Clinton were all regulars at the Starbuck’s.

UPDATE: On August 1, 1998, yet another young female government intern with the initial “M”, Christine M. Mirzayan, was murdered, beaten to death with a heavy object near Georgetown University.

Eventually, Mike Isikoff’s “former White House staffer” has finally surfaced and its NOT Mary Mahoney, but Monica Lewinsky. If the killing of Mary Mahoney was to silence a “bimbo eruption”, they got the wrong woman! (Just how many of the interns was Clinton getting oral sex from anyway??)

Carl Cooper, the man charged with the Starbuck’s murders on the basis of a confession has now recanted that confession, claiming that it was obtained under coercion (not unlike that of James Earl Ray).

A recent affidavit filed by NOAA’s Sonya Stewert, confirms that the Department of Commerce was selling trade mission seats in exchange for campaign donatations, and illegally blocking FOIA requests. Named in the affidavit as the White House staffer directly connected to this obstruction is Doris Matsui. Doris’s assigned intern during this period was Mary Mahoney.

The Washington Weekly continues to investigate this case. Anyone with information on the case is encouraged to contact the Washington Weekly by email at editor@dolphin.gulf.net . Confidentiality is assured.

THE STRANGE DEATH OF VINCE FOSTER:

Vincent Foster – White House Counsel – Died: 7/21/93

Found dead in Ft. Marcy Park in Washington, DC, of a supposed suicide by gunshot. A suicide note was supposedly found a few days later, torn into several pieces, in his briefcase, after his office had been entered by white house staff and materials removed.

The gun which he supposedly used to kill himself was reported to be still in his hand, but the person who first found the body reports that there was no gun at that time. Many irregularities surround the death and the investigation of it.

Foster was also from Hope, Ark., like Clinton, and also worked for the Rose Law firm. Foster had intimate knowledge of the Clintons’ personal finances. Foster was involved in an investigation of their finances, and reportedly made a phone call to Hillary Clinton, in Los Angeles, just hours before his death.

Recently, the signed report of M.E. Dr. Donald Haut was uncovered at the National Archives, proving that Foster had a previously unreported gunshot wound to his neck. Finally, an FBI memo has surfaced dated the day after the date of the official autopsy, in which the autopsist informs the FBI that there was NO exit wound. The “suicide” note, (leaked despite official efforts to keep it from view) has since been revealed to be a forgery.

Admiral Jeremy Boorda – Chief of Naval Operations – Died 5/16/96

Boorda supposedly went home for lunch and decided to shoot himself in the chest (by one report, twice) rather than be interviewed by Newsweek magazine that afternoon. Explanations for Boorda’s suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two “Valor” pins he was not authorized to wear.

Former CNO Admiral Elmo Zumwalt said on the May 17 Larry King Live show that Admiral Boorda was not only authorized to wear the “V” on his medals, but that had personally authorized him to do so when he was serving as Commander Naval Forces Vietnam.

When it turned out that Boorda was entitled to those decorations, blame shifted to stresses over the down sizing of the Navy, and even (Washington Times) the adverse affect that feminism was having on the Navy’s morale.

Boorda supposedly left two suicide notes, neither of which was released. On Thursday, June 25, 1998, Navy Secretary John Dalton formally acknowledged that Boorda had been entitled to wear the decorations. So, like Brown, and like Foster, the proximate cause for the “suicide” turns out to be fraudulent.

William Colby – Director of CIA – Died 4/27/96

William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA’s secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. George Bush replaced him.

According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who “recovered” his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby’s house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby’s home.

Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing.

Colby at 76 was still a world-traveler and consultant to many corporations. He recently became an editor of an important financial newsletter, “Strategic Investment,” which covered the Vince Foster “suicide” in detail. Its editors hired three renowned handwriting experts to investigate Foster’s suicide note, which hadn’t been found when his briefcase was first searched, but later materialized, torn into pieces, with no fingerprints on any of the pieces. Upon comparing this document with others of Foster’s writings, these experts declared it was a forgery, and a not very good one at that.

Colby had old enemies as well as new, with plenty of motives for his extermination. He was in charge of the infamous Operation Phoenix during the Vietnam War, in which more than 20,000 South Vietnamese citizens — supposedly Vietcong sympathizers — were rounded up, tortured and executed. In the 1970s he opened some of the secrets of the CIA to Congress: “Colby insisted on going public about the agency’s role in tapping the telephones and opening the mail of Americans; plotting the assassination of Fidel Castro, and using human guinea pigs for mind-control experiments involving LSD,” the Times reports.

On Monday, May 6th, Colby’s body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly searched several times by helicopters and search teams.

Most notable about the body was the absence of a life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water.

As has since been proven to have happened in the JFK Jr. case false stories were being deliberatly planted in the media, including one quoting Mrs. Colby herself as having been told by William Colby by phone that he was going canoeing. Mrs. Colby denied any such story. The week that he died, Colby was scheduled to meet with the Disclosure Project.

DEAD BODYGUARDS

Maj. Gen. William Robertson,Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe

Col William Densberger,V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans

Col. Robert Kelly,V Corps Chief of Intelligence

Spec. Gary Rhodes, Crew Chief

Died: 2/23/93 – All were killed when their Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Wiesbaden, Germany. No cause was ever determined. – V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men, and 8 others associated with Clinton’s visit to the Roosevelt all died within 4 months of each other.

Steve Willis, Clinton bodyguard

Robert Williams, Clinton bodyguard

Conway LeBleu, Clinton bodyguard

Todd McKeehan, Clinton bodyguard

Died: 2/28/93 – “executed” by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. – All four were examined by a “private doctor” and died from nearly identical wounds to the left temple, so-called execution style. According to Linda Thompson, videotapes and other evidence indicates that none died from guns fired by Branch Davidians. In his address to employees of the Treasury Department in the Cash Room on March 18, 1993, Clinton said: “My prayers and I’m sure yours are still with the families of all four of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms agents who were killed in WACO — Todd McKeehan and Conway Le Bleu of New Orleans; Steve Willis of Houston, and Robert Williams from my hometown of Little Rock. Three of those four were assigned to my security during the course of the primary or general election.” However, the Little Rock, Arkansas office of the ATF confirmed that all four had at one point been bodyguards for Bill Clinton, three while he was campaigning for President, and while he had been governor of Arkansas. In the videotape by the American Justice Federation, “WACO II, the Big Lie Continues,” Linda Thompson demonstrates that 15 shots were fired from six separate weapons into and out of a room into which three of the four agents had entered through a window. Four of these shots were fired from an overhead helicopter, an agent outside the window, firing an MP5 submachine gun, who also threw in a concussion grenade, fired at least two shots into the room. In the autopsies of these agents, three had virtually identical wounds to the left temple that exited through the rear of the head, execution-style. A “private physician” treated all four.

Alan G. Whicher

Oversaw Clinton’s Secret Service detail. In October 1994 Whicher was transferred to the Secret Service field office in the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City. Whatever warning was given to the BATF agents in that building did not reach Alan Whicher, whom died in the bomb blast of April 19th 1995.

Cpl Eric S. Fox.

Died 3/22/99. Crewman for Marine One, the Presidential Helicopter. Shot in the head, and declared a suicide.

Five Navy aviators, Clinton bodyguards/escorts

(names not determined) died: 3/26/93 – all died in a crash of an E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was “waved off” from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt, due to a “foul deck”. – All five men had been Clinton’s escorts during Clinton’s visit to the Roosevelt 2 weeks prior. Three other men, who had flown Clinton to the Roosevelt for that visit also died later in a helicopter crash.
Staff Sgt. Brian Haney, Clinton bodyguard

Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel, Clinton bodyguard

Maj. William Barkley, Clinton bodyguard

Capt. Scott Reynolds, Clinton bodyguard

Died: 5/19/93 – All four men died when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va. – Reporters were barred from the site, and the head of the fire department responding to the crash described it by saying, “Security was tight,” with “lots of Marines with guns.” The Marines seized a videotape made by a firefighter. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths.

Aldo Franscoia, Secret Service Agent

Cpt. Kevin N. Earnest, Aircraft Commander

Cpt. Kimberly Jo Wielhouwer, Pilot

2Lt. Benjamin T. Hall, Navigator

SSgt. Michael J. SmithJr., Loadmaster

Sr. Airman Rick L. Merritt, Flight Engineer

SSgt. Michael R. York, Loadmaster

Sr. Airman Billy R. Ogston, Crew Chief

Airman Thomas A. Stevens, Loadmaster.

Killed when the C-130 carrying the Presidential Limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming. August 18, 1996. All nine people on board a White House support plane were killed late Saterday (10:48pm MDT), when it crashed into Sheep Mountain (also known as Sleeping Indian Mountain) near Jackson Hole Wyoming. The aircraft was en route from Jackson Hole to John F. Kennedy International airport. The Air Force Lockheed Martin C-130 Hurcules transport aircraft was carrying a presidential vehicle and many pieces of luggage, all related to the president’s vaction (50th birthday celebration in the Grand Tetons). President Clinton said Sunday afternoon that he was told the pilot was attempting to return to the Jackson Hole airport when it crashed (CNN news report). The Air Force reported finding no evidence of an in-flight mechanical emergency after examining the flight data and flight voice recorders and could not find evidence that the pilot radioed mechanical trouble before crashing into the mountainside as reported by the White House. The victems included 8 crew members and one Secret Service agent. The aircraft and crew were stationed out of Dyess Air Force Base.

Four Marine Pilots, Marine One Presidential Helicopter pilots.

Died: 4/8/00 – all died (with 15 others) in a crash of a V-22 Osprey near Tucson. Witnesses reported the craft burst into flames in mid-air, then crashed.

DEAD FUNDRAISERS

Victor Raiser II, National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign

Montgomery Raiser. Son of C. Victor Raiser II

Died: 7/30/92 – Both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition. The crash was blamed on the pilot, who survived. Five others not connected to Clinton died in the crash. – DeeDee Meyers described Raiser as a “major player” in the Clinton organization. Victor raiser was also chairman of Mobile Telecomm Technologies Corp., whose subsidiary, SkyTel Corp. is an international paging company used by federal police agencies such as the FBI.
Victor Raiser was a Washington lawyer and he was counsel to the Washington law firm of Jones Day Reavis & Pogue until 1991. At his death, he was the national finance co-chairman of the Clinton for President campaign. The campaign’s press secretary, Dee Myers, described him as a “major player” in the Clinton organization. He and his wife had been friends of the Clintons for ten years. He was the past national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. He served on the boards of the Democratic Business Council and the Center for National Policy and the board of advisers of the Democratic Leadership Council.

On May 29, 1993, President Clinton announced that he had selected Raiser’s widow, Molly Raiser, 50, former Democratic co-chair of the Women’s Campaign Fund, to be his protocol chief and stated that he planned to nominate her for confirmation as an ambassador.

Paul Tully, Democratic National Committee Political Director

Died: 9/24/92 – Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock Arkansas of “unknown causes.” No autopsy allowed. – Described by Clinton as a “dear friend and trusted advisor. Tully authored several key strategies for Clinton and the party. Paul Tully, 48, Democratic National Committee political director and architect of a strategy to make the party competitive again in presidential elections, was found dead in his hotel room on September 24, 1992, in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. Authorities speculated his death was from a heart attack or stroke. In a press release, then-presidential candidate Clinton called Mr. Tully “a dear friend and trusted adviser.” He said he was “deeply saddened by the loss.” Tully devised a strategy of targeting states based on their value in the Electoral College, and coordinating the presidential campaign with state and congressional races.

Ed Willey, Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser

died: 11/30/93 – Died of a shotgun blast to the head. Body found in deep woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide, no note was found. Died on the same day his wife was sexually assaulted in the White House by Bill Clinton. – Intimately involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Hershell Friday, Attorney and Clinton fund raiser.

Died: 3/1/94 – Killed when his plane exploded. Cause unknown.

Duane Garrett, Radio Host and Al Gore fund raiser.

Died: 7/26/95 – A lawyer and a talk show host for KGO-AM in San Francisco, Duane was the campaign finance chairman for Diane Fienstein’s run for the senate, and was a friend and fundraiser for Al Gore.
According to Garrett’s lawyer, Garrett was under investigation for defrauding investors in Garrett’s failed sports memorabilia venture. There was talk of a deal to evade prosecution. On July 26th, Garrett canceled an afternoon meeting with his lawyer because he had to meet some people at the San Francisco airport.

Three hours later he was found floating in the bay under the Golden Gate Bridge.

Daniel A. Dutko, C-chairman of Leadership 2000

Died: 7/26/99 – Daniel A. Dutko, 54, was the co-chairman of Leadership 2000, the Democratic National Committee’s main fund-raising effort. He held many other high-level political positions, including vice chairman of finance for Clinton-Gore in 1995; finance chairman of the 53rd inaugural ball; and vice chairman of finance for the DNC in 1996 (when the Chinese money poured in). Attributed to a bicycle accident in which it’s claimed he struck his head on the concretetwice.

DEAD WITNESSES

Luther Parks, Head of Clinton’s Gubernatorial security team in Little Rock.

Died: 9/26/93 – Gunned down in his car at the intersection of Chenal Parkway and Cantrell Road, near Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car. The assailant then pulled around to the driver’s side of Park’s car and shot him three more times with a 9mm pistol.
His family reported that shortly before his death, unknown persons were following them, and their home had been broken into (despite a top quality alarm system). Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton’s illicit activities. The dossier was stolen.

When news of the discovery of Vincent Foster’s body came over the news, Parks is reported to have said, “Bill Clinton is cleaning house”.

John Wilson, Former Washington DC Council member

Died: 5/18/93 – Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide. Claimed to have info on Whitewater and was threatening to talk.

Bill Shelton, Arkansas state trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson

Died: 6/94 – allegedly committed suicide by shooting himself at the grave site of his fiancée – Officer Shelton was the fiancée of Kathy Ferguson, who was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy Ferguson also committed “suicide” 6/94 when she shot herself in her living room. Oddly, next to the body were her packed bags, as if she was expecting to be going somewhere. Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paula Corbin Jones’s sexual harassment suit. His ex-wife was reported as a corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.

Kathy Furguson, Ex-wife of Trooper Danny Furguson

Died: circa 5/94 – Died of a supposed gunshot suicide in her living room. There was a suicide note found by the body. However, friends were surprise at having noticed nothing wrong previously. And even more curious, found nearby were several packed suitcases, as if she expected she was going somewhere. She was the former wife (since changed her name) of Trooper Danny Ferguson, who is the Arkansas State Trooper alleged to have escorted Paula Corbin Jones to the hotel room for her alleged episode of sexual harassment by then-Governor Clinton. Ferguson’s wife was reported as a possible corroborating witness for Ms. Jones.

Gandy Baugh, Attorney representing Mr. Lassater in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct.

Died: 1/8/94 – Died in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. – Mr. Lassater was a close associate of Gov. Clinton, and was later indicted on drug related charges, among other things. Baugh’s law partner was “suicided” one month later on 2/9/94

Dr. Ronald Rogers, Dentist from Arkansas Killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a “London Sunday Telegraph” reporter to reveal some Clinton dirt.

NBC and freelance cameraman John Hillyer

Hillyer passed away in a Dentist’s office from a suspected heart attack, despite being very health-conscious and in good physical condition. Was working on an investigation into Mena and assisted with the “Clinton Chronicles.” Some time after his passing, his widow recalled her husband saying he felt he could be in danger.

Stanley Huggins, Partner in Memphis law firm

Investigating Madison Guaranty. Reported to have succumbed to viral pneumonia (See attack on Russel Welch). His 300-page report has never been released. Stanley had been at a Cotton Carnival Party on a Friday night. He was supposed to escort his wife all week during the 7 day event, but told her he couldn’t as something important was going down. He has recently left the law firm in Little Rock where Hillary C worked and set up a small office in Memphis. On that Friday night I saw Stan and spoke to him briefly. He seemed extreemly nervous & about to jump out of his skin. The word circulated throughout the party that he had been involved in some secretive issue that was under the microscope. Soon after that we were told by his wife that he had flown up to a NE University to give a speech on a Saturday. He checked into the provided dorm room, by the university employees that said he looked fine. When they called up to his room later in the day he didn’t answer the phone, so they went to check on him and found him dead. His wife has tried to get the hospital records, but they were sealed by JAnet Reno under presidential orders of Clinton. Over that weekend his Memphis office was broken into and the only noticable thing taken were his files.

Florence Martin, Accountant subcontracting to CIA

Related to the Barry Seal case. Dead of three gunshot wounds to the head. At the time of her death she had the account numbers and PIN for a bank account in the Cayman’s in the name of Barry Seal which held 1.4 million dollars. Immediately followi9ng her death, the money was moved to someplace in the Virgin Islands.

Calvin Walraven

24 year on Walraven was a key witness in Jocelyn Elder’s son’s drug case. Ten days after Elder’s son was convicted of trafficking in cocaine, Walraven was found dead in his apartment with a gunshot blast to the head. Tim Hover, a Little Rock police spokesman says no foul play is suspected.

Neil Moody
Died Aug. 25, 1996
Following Vincent Foster’s murder, Lisa Foster married James Moody, a judge in Arkansas, on Jan 1, 1996.

Near the time Susan McDougal first went to jail for contempt, Judge Moody’s son, Neil died in a car crash. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something very unsettling among his stepmother’s private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. He was alleged to have been talking to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post about a blockbuster story. Witnesses said they saw Neil Moody sitting in his car arguing with another person just prior to HIS CAR SUDDENLY SPEEDING OFF OUT OF CONTROL AND HITTING A BRICK WALL.

Johnny Franklin Lawhon, Jr.

Died March 29, 1998
In the spring of 1997, a tornado ripped through some junked cars at Johnny’s transmission and opened up the trunk of a car that proved to have a box of Whitewater records in it, including a copy of a $27,000 cashiers check drawn on Madison and payable to Bill Clinton. Johnny Franklin Lawhon, Sr. realized what he was looking at and turned the box of documents over to the FBI.

According to police, Lawhon Jr. (the son) and a friend hit a telephone pole at a high rate of speed after their car had become airborne and left the road. They had driven less than 1/4 of a mile at the time of the accident.

This manner of death is similar to the single vehicle accidents that killed Paula Grober, and Neil Moody.

Ron Brown, Former Chairman, DNC; Commerce Secretary

Died: 5/3/96 – Ron Brown died along with 39 other people when the T-43 (a converted 737 used by the Air Force) carrying the group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching the Dubrovnik airport. On the verge of being indicted and having stated publicly his willingness to make a deal with prosecutors, Ron Brown’s death brought to an end his ability to testify.
As of this writing, Judicial Watch has petitioned for the investigation into on Brown’s dealings to be expanded to include his death. (NOTE: Also belongs under dead fundraisers)

Barbara Wise, Commerce Department Staffer

Died: 11/29/96 – As the scandals continued to swirl around the John Huang, one of Huang’s associates, Barbara Wise, was found dead in her locked office on the fourth floor of the Department of Commerce, partially nude (by one report completely nude) and covered with bruises. No cause of death has ever been announced even though an autopsy was conducted (prior to next of kin being notified). Calls to the D.C. autopsist, Dr. Jaardemal have gotten an assurance that the bruises were not from being beaten but nothing else. Despite claims of ongoing illness, no record of a hospital visit in the months leading up to her death has surfaced. Oddly enough, following the discovery of her body, Bill Clinton made an unscheduled return to the White House from Camp David, claiming he needed a book of poetry in order to complete his inauguration speech.

Charles Meissner, Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy.

John Huang was placed on a Commerce Department contract that allowed him to retain his security clearance by Charles Meissner. Charles Meissner died on the plane with Ron Brown.

MISC DEATHS/NEAR MISSES

Stanley Heard, Chairman, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee

Steve Dickson, – Counsel to Mr. Heard

Died: 9/10/93
Both died in a plane crash outside Dulles airport, after their aircraft, rented after Heard’s personal craft developed troubles, crashed while attempting an emergency landing after reporting a fire on board. Let’s repeat that. They took off in a plane. It developed problems. They got it back to the airport. They rented a new plane. They took off in the new rented plane and IT developed a problem. On the way back to the airport it crashed. – Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council, also personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather, and brother.

Carlos Ghigliotti, Thermal Imaging Expert

Carlos Ghigliotti: 42, was found dead in his home just outside of Washington D.C. on April 28, 2000. There was no sign of a break-in or struggle at the firm of Infrared Technology where the badly decomposed body of Ghigliotti was found. Ghigliotti had not been seen for several weeks.
Ghigliotti, a thermal imaging analyst hired by the House Government Reform Committee to review tape of the siege, said he determined the FBI fired shots on April 19, 1993. The FBI has explained the light bursts on infrared footage as reflections of sun rays on shards of glass or other debris that littered the scene.

Don Adams

Died Jan 7 1997 – Long before Whitewater’s land flips made the Clinton’s circle of friends rich, many of the same players had been involved in a similar land swindle in Branson. Don Adams was a lawyer in Arkansas who got involved trying to help the people who were being swindled out of their life savings.

Jim Wilhite, Vice Chairman, Arkla, Inc.

Died: 12/21/92 – Died in a one-person skiing accident. – Wilhite had extensive ties with Clinton and Mack McLarty, with whom he visited by telephone just hours before his death.

Theodore Williams, Jr., Bettie Currie’s brother.

Died: 12/16/97 – Traffic accident.
A passing car hit the brother of Presidential Secretary Betty Currie after his own car had somehow run off the road. Bill Clinton called Monica Lewinsky at 2:00 AM the next morning to tell her of the death and alert Monica that her named appeared on the Paula Jones witness list. Betty’s brother had also been beaten shortly before Betty testified in a previous matter.

Sadly, this is only a FRACTION of the full list of people who have died under mysterious circumstances while related to the Clintons . For the full listing, click here. – source

whatreallyhappened

 Newest addition to the body count READ THIS

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Murder is technically no bullying but I thought it was pertinent to your question. 

Sure no one can convict her of any of these murders but if Email gate didn't prove to you she is above the law, nothing will, and it probably wouldn't matter anyhow.  

Read the full list including the circumstances and let me know if you honestly believe they are ALL coincidences.   (The law of average of this many coincidences around the same person involving people who did something she didn't like is 10x the odds of winning the powerball lotto.   Just sayin.)

Just curious Dowser, are you aware of how much bullying BO has done?   (number of whistle blowers prosecuted under his watch are more than all other presidents COMBINED!!!)

Does it matter to you that there is no "transparency"?

Sad part is Hillary makes him look like a kitten.

OMG Dowser are you frigging kidding me !?!?!?!? . . .

You can smell Hillary a mile away but, if you like turds, what difference does it make?

Good point.

I think you are all thinking that Dowser is giving Hillary a pass here. The point of the article is that both candidates are terribly flawed. The only difference between the two, is that Hillary has a long history in politics and Trump has a long history in business and neither is good. 

"The only difference between the two, is that Hillary has a long history in politics and Trump has a long history in business and neither is good. "

Good point.  So do you vote for the known shitty politician for the position of most powerful politician or the known shitty business man?   The smart folks won't vote for either.  The stupid ones will have to live with themselves.   Hope y'all can sleep at night.

I hope you can, too!

How many fucking times do we have to debunk this shit? 

I myself have posted the debunking material three times in the past two months. 

Do you ever fact check anything you post 96 ?  Anythting?

You nutcases are turning this site into an absolute joke. 

"How many fucking times do we have to debunk this shit? "

Probably hundreds more because they just keep popping up don't they?   BTW    The best you have done is site inconsistencies on a few of the cases.   Like when you all said the DNC chair that had evidence against her wasn't on his way to testify.   Facts still are that He had evidence/dirt against Hillary and mysteriously ended up dead shortly after, just like a lot of other folks.   Does where he was headed when he was murdered prove her guilt or innocence?  Of course not.  Just because you find one little inconsistency, doesn't mean you throw all the evidence away....unless you are investigating Hillary.

People like you give the truth a bad name. 

Gullible. Believe every conspiracy you hear, don't fact check yourself. Repeat ridiculous rumors. 

Donald Trump believes in dozens of conspiracies. Knowing that, should he still be elected president? 

Donald Trump believes in dozens of conspiracies. Knowing that, should he still be elected president?

You are hilarious. 

Hillary is INVOLVED in dozens of scandals, knowing this and given the constant conflict of interest with her slush fund, and that she is grossly incompetent, should she still be elected president?

What are you afraid of, that Trump may be as bad as Hillary?

No, worse.

I think he lacks understanding of complex issues, shoots from the cuff, and I don't trust him to be calm in a dangerous situation.  I think he is a narcissist.  The thought of him being president is downright scary!

Fabulous! 

There isn't a single hard fact in this litany. Not a single one. 

This is a perfect example of "Shout loud enough and long enough, and someone will be convinced. 

Sad and funny, both. 

you know?  Get real, here.

There were 495 people in my graduating class, and fully 1/3 of them are dead.  Did I kill them?  I was close friends with many of them.  The State Geologist died about 4 years back, did I kill him?  He happened to be in his early 90s, but, I'm sure something I did killed him.  Maybe it was my lack of hanging onto that sample of calcite I found in his home county.  Yep, that did it.

The more people you know, the more people die around you.  It's a lot like suddenly, I find myself in a large family.  My own family died out, and I guess I'm starting on my husband's family.  Let's see, he's lost his mother, father, aunt, uncle, another uncle, another aunt and uncle, a teenager who was killed in a car crash, etc.  I'm sure they are all my fault.  Obviously, I gave Uncle Bill a heart attack on the golf course.  Obviously, I managed to make Aunt Theresa's kidneys fail.  That's after I gave my own mother a brain tumor, and my father adrenaline cancer.  Not to mention both of my grandparents, and 1/3 of my high school class.

Helicopters are dangerous.  One of my best friends in high school was widowed when her husband went down in a helicopter while on a training exercise, along with 4 others.  Did I kill him?

This is a prime example of what I'm talking about.  The rumor mill.  It is just bunkum.  Just how many people do you think the Clintons know?  Thousands.  I know thousands, myself.  With all the people I've worked with, gone to church with, met at the band parent's association, college, sorority, fraternity, the county extension, the water company, drilling and other contractors, I can only think that they know a whole lot more people than I do.  Some of them are bound to die...

It is a load of bunkum. 

Forgive me, 96, but I'm a smidge confused.  Are you implying that the Clinton's played a part in the deaths of all the people on your list?

Yes, dear Sister, he is.

Not at all I am just pointing out how many coincidental deaths surround them.

You should have seeded this to the article on Hillary haters and the Alt right as well.  I cant seem to find it anymore. 

What an Idiotic list of dead people you are blaming on Hillary Clinton, I am just sad that there is not a Law of punishment against Libel and Defamation of Character beyond someone been sued...

(You might want to delete the other two copies of your Comment...      )

I think Six's list of dead people is significant. It is a demonstration of "six degrees of separation" -- everyone in the world is linked... so if anyone in the world dies, Hillary must be responsible.

And the most amazing thing is that Six actually believes this stuff. Which could lead to a conversation about alt-right thought processes. Oh, wait... 

I just want peace in my valley.  Period.  I had the, obviously misunderstood, idea that even the republicans would like an article from someone respected in their own party!  Can you all not put aside your hatred for one moment?

I'm not a Republican but I can't respect an article telling me that poop doesn't stink or that one pile of poop is better than the other. Both sides say they want someone who can work with the other side yet both have nominated the person that is completely unacceptable to the other. This is a recipe for conflict from day one, not peace. As an independent, I find both of these choices so ridiculously unacceptable that I refuse to even consider picking the lesser of two evils when my choice is between an incompetent lying conniving scoundrel and a loud-mouthed narcissistic ignoramus. These are two turds that belong in the toilet, not public office. 

So, are you going to vote for Gary Johnson?

So, are you going to vote for Gary Johnson?

If that's directed at me, I haven't decided yet. I could vote for him or Jill Stein. They don't really represent my views either but I could consider them if they're honest and support transparency in government. I could just write in "nobody."   

I once wrote in my husband...  I could then tell him that I voted for him for president, once...  

I once wrote in my husband...  I could then tell him that I voted for him for president, once...  

I'll put him on my list.

Thanks!  He will be pleased!

I once wrote in my husband...

I wonder if he received any votes besides yours.  Wouldn't that have been a hoot and a half!

It would have!!!!  But, I highly doubt it...

Magnum for President!  

Hey, he's been at the band president's barn/garage all week, building Moai...

This is for our band's show-- Apotheosis.  Don't ask me what it means-- something about going to a higher plane or something.  They're putting supports and handles on two of them tonight.

That's Magnum, on the left.  I've seen him for about 2.5 hours in total all week.  I miss my husband!  I've been a Moai widow!

Yet, if he can build this, with sporadic "help", in the heat, with bickering band parents, and too many Monday Morning Quarterbacks, Congress should be a wrap!

Their first show is tomorrow night, so, since few band parents on on this site-- this shouldn't be a big deal to post the picture here.  They're building 6 of them.  This is one of the 8' tall ones.  They will have 3 8' tall ones, 2 10' tall ones, and a 12' tall one.

My hope:  That we all survive the band season.  Period.  

Love you!!!

I was leaning Johnson but his campaign has veered hard left and isn't even libertarian anymore.  I'm going with either Castle or Mc Mullin.

I'm going with either Castle or Mc Mullin.

How about Bob Smith?

Who is that?  

I could just write in "nobody."   

So many people really,  really dislike both Trump and Hillary-- this may be the first presidential election where "nobody" wins!

Both sides say they want someone who can work with the other side yet both have nominated the person that is completely unacceptable to the other. 

Wow-- that's pretty shocking! After all, as everyone knows, politicians never lie...

(Must be some other explanation...)

I think they are both equally bad choices though I believe that as an individual, Hillary is the more evil of the two.  I won't be voting for either of them.  

Thanks for your comment, XX!

Good article.

Thanks.

Thanks for coming to see me!

Yes.  What happened to yours?  I was going to add a comment and couldn't find it anymore. 

Perrie moved my article to Heated Debate. Apparently the CoC forbids direct quotes from members, regardless of how politely they are presented.

I am not a member of Heated Debate. 

Bob,

As I told you, I would be glad to resurrect your article, so long as you removed any reference of the member. It also doesn't reside in HD either, since you said you would prefer not to be a member. 

So it's gone. OK. 

No, it's not gone. That is what I am trying to tell you.

So it's gone. OK. 

We should have a (virtual) funeral service for the article.

Kinda sorta off-topic, don't you think?

 Now that's a funeral everyone can laugh at. 

Wow!  Talk about painting with a broad brush...

I have long said, "give me a republican candidate I can vote for."  Trump is not it.

This article was written by a man who worked on the Mitt Romney campaign-- he is definitely a republican-- and even HE thinks that these conspiracy theories are nuts.  So, if the republican party hasn't gone completely nuts to put forth such a candidate, what does that say about them?  (i.e. say they're not nuts-- is this the best the republicans can do?)

Politics is dirty-- always has been.  Even our founding fathers dealt with dirty politics.  (Thinking of the Jefferson/Adams thing...)

So, why do you hate all democrats?  Many of us can't stomach Trump, in any way...  Voting for Mrs. Clinton because she is the least worst choice and the most qualified and less likely to fire off a nuke seems to be a prudent idea.  Tell me, as a woman, why I should vote for a man who wishes to curtail my rights, and relegate me to 2nd class citizenship.  Tell me, why I should vote for a man who has a senior advisor that has been accused of sexually harassing women?  Tell me, again, why I should trust Mr. Trump, who has several divorces under his belt, is a known womanizer, and has openly cheated on his wives?  Who defrauded thousands of people who enrolled in his fake university?  Who openly discriminated in renting his own apartments?  Who can't string together a coherent sentence using words that are a little higher than a 4th grader's? 

Tell me why I should vote for the school yard bully.  Please.

Voting for Mrs. Clinton because she is the least worst choice ... 

No. She is not "least worst". She may not be "great", but she is at the very least "pretty good". Tons of experience in both the legislative and executive branches. Considerable mastery of most of the horribly complex topics that a President must address. (Let's shudder a moment, thinking about Donald and "horribly complex"...) 

We mustn't concede even an inch on this. The right has thrown everything including the kitchen sink at her, on the presumption that if they shout loud enough and long enough some listeners will be persuaded, even if nothing is true. 

Hillary has has been in the media spotlight for thirty years. If there was ever any proof of wrongdoing, it would have been in the public record for a long time already. The vultures picked over Whitewater for twenty years without finding anything. They spent a zillion taxpayer dollars rehashing Benghazi with no results. 

I am not a Hillary fan. I am way more left. But contending that she is "evil" is just plain silly. She may not be the "best possible" candidate, but she is a "good" candidate. We must not allow the crazies to trick us into agreeing to a "least worst" label. 

You are right!

I will vote for Mrs. Clinton because she is the best candidate-- the most qualified, the ablest, the most intelligent, and, best of all, NORMAL.

You are right!

I will vote for Mrs. Clinton because she is the best candidate-- the most qualified, the ablest, the most intelligent, and, best of all, NORMAL.

As I said, Bernie Madoff was the most qualified to run a brokerage firm over thousands of other stock brokers, but you see where he is.

I liked Buzz comment that maybe he should have made a donation to the Clinton Foundation.

There is always an end to a Ponzi scheme, isn't there?  I mean some day, there is a day of reckoning...

Perhaps he should have!  If he had been as slick as all of you think she is, he would still be up, running around, bilking more millions.

Dowser, what happened to all the moderate independent approach and looking for a third option?  Hillary is further to the left than Trump is and both are horrible choices.  I know you wouldn't consider Castle or Mc Mullin but why not Stein who is as left as Hillary but honest or a real centrist fiscally conservative socially way liberal Johnson - Weld ticket?  How can you expect change going with a party establishment crony as a lesser of two evils?  It seems Johnson Weld would be exactly what you are looking for. 

Dowser, what happened to all the moderate independent approach and looking for a third option?

We already have a third option. And, in fact, even a fourth option. There is a Libertarian candidate and a Green Party candidate. (I think occasionally, in some states, there's actually a Socialist Party that runs Socialist candidates).

Dowser, what happened to all the moderate independent approach and looking for a third option?  Hillary is further to the left than Trump is and both are horrible choices.  I know you wouldn't consider Castle or Mc Mullin but why not Stein who is as left as Hillary but honest or a real centrist fiscally conservative socially way liberal Johnson - Weld ticket?  How can you expect change going with a party establishment crony as a lesser of two evils?  It seems Johnson Weld would be exactly what you are looking for. 

I'm not at all fond of his stance on Social Security.  I've pain in all my life, I expect it to be there when I need it, too.  Other than that, he may be just the thing...

Normal?! In what twisted, criminal universe? Does Spock have a goatee there?

even if nothing is true.

Of course not.  Now for your milk and bread Mr. Nelson.

C'mon, Six... 

If there's a hard fact somewhere in all that BS, post it, with a link to a credible source.  That's simple, logical, rational. 

It's kinda funny, really... So much passion about... delusions... 

She is not even the "least worse" .   BTW the reason you folks have to keep choosing the "least worse" is because you are silly enough to keep endlessly playing their game.

Someone calling Hillary a "good candidate" and implying those that don't think so are the "crazies".   Now I've seen everything.  BTW you have totally shot any shred of credibility you may have had.

For the bunch of us (the majority) who call ourselves independent, neither is a great candidate. In fact, I am shocked that it has come to this. That these two are the best this country has to offer is sad. But I am sick of the non factual garbage that comes out about Hillary from the Trump side.. I mean the really crazy stuff, like she is killing people and has medical problems. I don't argue over her true indiscretions, but the other junk drives me nuts. 

Sadly it has turned into who stinkith the least. 

yep.

But I am sick of the non factual garbage that comes out about Hillary from the Trump side.. 

Now we're talkin'. 

 That these two are the best this country has to offer is sad.

Damned sad, and I would venture to say a complete insult to everyone that came before....

 But I am sick of the non factual garbage that comes out about Hillary from the Trump side

I am sick and tired of the non factual garbage that comes out about anyone from the Hillary favoring side.

On the one hand claiming that both are bad, but one side is worse? And it isn't trump coming out with it.

The House of Representatives? I'm sure they would like Trump gone as well.

The FBI? I'm sure if it was their choice they would have recommended prosecutions and Covey said so when he said anyone else doing the exact same thing would be prosecuted. What would make him say otherwise? His Boss?

Assange, I'm sure he couldn't care less if we elect Trump or not.

Stop blaming Trump for things he isn't doing and you might have some credibility.....

He is a VERY SICK PUPPY! but he is not doing anything to Hillary, her actions are doing it to her, unless you agree that she above any other American not named Obama should get a pass. You all call Nixon a crook, what she has done is miles and miles beyond what Nixon did yet you all are more than willing to excuse her and elect her to the same office you wanted him out of.

WHY?

Cause she is a woman? Anybody else in this country do the things she has done and we would be in jail or under long term prosecutions/investigations.

WHY IS SHE ENTITLED TO A PASS?

Can anyone explain that to me?

 But I am sick of the non factual garbage that comes out about Hillary from the Trump side

I am sick and tired of the non factual garbage that comes out about anyone from the Hillary favoring side.

Excuse me NWM, but I haven't printed or endorsed anything from the Hillary side, so I have no idea what you are talking about. 

On the one hand claiming that both are bad, but one side is worse? And it isn't trump coming out with it.

Again, please find where I said Trump was worse?

Assange, I'm sure he couldn't care less if we elect Trump or not.

No he doesn't care if Trump gets elected but he does care if Hillary does. He is stuck in London because of her and would do anything to get even with her. It's call revenge.

Stop blaming Trump for things he isn't doing and you might have some credibility.....

Excuse me? What have I said that Trump has done, other than open his own mouth. Please find where I accuse him of anything.

He is a VERY SICK PUPPY! but he is not doing anything to Hillary... 

Oh come on now.. Do we need to list the ridiculous comments that he has made about Hillary? I'm not talking about the run of the mill politicking. I am talking about the outrageous. 

her actions are doing it to her, unless you agree that she above any other American not named Obama should get a pass. You all call Nixon a crook, what she has done is miles and miles beyond what Nixon did yet you all are more than willing to excuse her and elect her to the same office you wanted him out of.

Where did I say any of that? I never even said a word about Nixon. What comment were you reading?

Cause she is a woman? Anybody else in this country do the things she has done and we would be in jail or under long term prosecutions/investigations.

WTH? Where is that coming from?

Can anyone explain that to me?

Got me, cause your saying a whole lot of things I never said... please redirect.

Again, please find where I said Trump was worse?

Holy Bejeebus! Are you afraid to say Trump is worse?  Lord have mercy. 

First of all I didn't say you did. Your statement was a generic one, so was mine.

If your going to keep personalizing all responses to your comments as personal attacks, then there is no further point in posting is there.

Please remind me of this the next time I think of posting.

NWM,

When you start a comment with two of mine, so what am I supposed to think? Think about that in all fairness. 

Really?  Why is that?  Why not Johnson-Weld?  they don't make moderately liberal fiscally conservative socially liberal types better than that.  No one is forcing us to repeat the same old choices.  You especially like me really do have a choice.  We live in large urban controlled blue states where Hillary winning is a foregone conclusion no matter how we vote.  The nationwide popular vote us utterly meaningless and the electoral college vote is winner take all in both our states.  Your or my vote for a third party affects none of that and builds a third party for the future as if a candidate gets 5% of the vote they get federal matching funds and ballot access.  There is no cost for those of us not living in battleground or contested states to support a third party and vote our conscience rather than the lesser evil of the two evils.

I have long said, "give me a republican candidate I can vote for."

I bet it has been a long, long time. LOL

Dowser as sweet a person as I know you are, tell me, if you see a truly gay guy, can you not say with a fair amount of confidence he is gay?  Even though we have some similar beliefs, when the rubber hits the road.......

As President, Trump would only get what both parties agreed to pass.  Any of his executive orders would be vetoed, so to speak, if both parties could not agree on them.  He wouldn't be like Obama, who has been conniving doing his damage on Christmas eve and contrary to the Democrats always saying the Republicans have obstructed him throughout his entire two terms in office, they have actually appeased him and allowed him to, illegally in many cases, get most everything he wanted.  The problem is the Democrats have looked upon Obama as a ruler who should get everything he wants and if he doesn't it is not acceptable.  The media would be in full force against Trump the entire time he is president as well.

With Hillary it would be exactly the opposite.  She would go full force as the dictator she was when Bill Clinton became president.  She will finally have accomplished her goal of becoming ruler of this country.  There would always be scandals by the dozens, but the media would let every one of them slide into darkness.

One of her largest financial supporters is George Soros, who considers himself some kind of God, his own words.  He's a strong Globalist, wanting to eliminate borders around the world.  In his own words, he has said Americans would, under his plan, have to give up some of their privileges.  He not only has supported Hillary directly but by supporting other left wing groups who also support Hillary with the financial support he has given them.

Wall Street never suffered the illegal acts upon the American citizens nor the citizens of other countries.  The first thing Obama did was take these thieves and put them in his Cabinet.  Now we have Hillary, who has more financial support from Wall Street than all the other candidates put together.  What do you think she is going to do?  She said "Anyone who knows me knows I can't be influenced".  She also said she believes in marriage between a man and woman and so did Obama.  Says "I have a strong record".  She says she likes the Australian method of common sense gun control.  Do you know what the Australian common sense method of gun control was?

The email issue is just the last of a long line of corrupt and abusive practices coming from the Clintons.  The Clintons have probably cost the American taxpayers more money than any two people in history from the fines they have received for fraudulent campaign donations received and ruined the lives of more people than any other politicians in history from the perspective of corrupt politicians.

This is before the email scandal.  There are dozens more, but we have to accept racism is fading and sexism is the new free "Get Out Of Jail" card. 

10 Scandals Involving Hillary Clinton You May Have Forgotten

Hillary Clinton has been involved in scandals before. Here are some notable ones you may have forgotten.

Chinagate - The Clinton-Gore campaign in 1996 allegedly took bribes from Chinese banks and their government to help their dwindling poll numbers. The Chinese embassy in D.C. helped siphon funds into the DNC. Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown (who was killed in a plane crash), and  at Hillary’s instruction reportedly sold seats on department trade missions to China. Joint congressional hearings were canceled after Democrats threatened to bring up Republican campaign issues and then Monica Lewinsky actually saved this scandal from media attention. 

Travelgate Scandal - Catherine Cornelius, a 25-year-old cousin of Bill's was allegedly promised the position of director of the travel office. Hillary Clinton then ( indirectly ) fired seven employees from the United States travel office and replaced them with associates from Arkansas. Records were either nowhere to be found or incorrectly filed. And, there's a reported attempt to give a White House airline contract to friend. Hillary had the FBI investigate Billy Dale , the head of the travel office, ruining his career who was found to do nothing wrong, but was then audited by the IRS for three years after.

"Billy Dale and his family went through hell thanks to the Clintons, Attorney General Janet Reno, the FBI and the IRS," Irvine wrote. "Hillary's greatest crime was not perjury, it was trying to send an innocent man to prison to justify having fired him and his staff without cause."

“A memorandum by a former Presidential aide depicts Hillary Rodham Clinton as the central figure in the 1993 travel office dismissals, a politically damaging episode that the aide said had resulted from a climate of fear in which officials did not dare question Mrs. Clinton's wishes," wrote the NYT in 1996.

Whitewater Scandal - Hillary and her husband were partners in a shady real estate development firm called Whitewater Development Corp in Arkansas. Accusations of impropriety against the Clintons and others soon surfaced, regarding improper campaign contributions, political and financial favors, and tax benefits . Clinton’s friends and majority owners,  James and Susan McDougal were jailed for fraud, Clinton's successor, Governor Jim Tucker, was jailed for fraud along with municipal judges David Hale and Eugene Fitzhugh who worked with James McDougal. The Clintons walked away unscathed, having apparently done nothing wrong.

See  Whitewater Timeline .

Vince Foster Jr. Mystery - Questions cloud the suicide of Vince Foster , former colleague, friend, and White House aid  of Hillary’s who had connections to Travelgate, and the Whitewater scandals. Read the link above entitled "The Man Who Knew too Much. . ." 

Filegate Scandal - Craig Livingstone, director of the White House's Office of Personnel Security "improperly" accessed FBI files on several hundred individuals.

Mrs. Clinton called it a, " completely honest bureaucratic snafu ."

Many of these files were on people from previous Republican administrations. Hillary Clinton hired Livingston and is alleged to have looked at the files and requested this move. She was accused by Republicans of  violating privacy rights of individuals she viewed as political adversaries .

Cattle-Futures Miracle - Hillary’s first commodity trade was in cattle futures where she ordered 10 futures contracts which normally cost $12,000 dollars with only $1,000 dollars in her account. This turned into $6,300 dollars by the next morning and after 10 months totaled $100,000, with trading help from James B. Blair.

“Blair, who at the time was outside counsel to Tyson Foods Inc., Arkansas' largest employer, says he was advising Clinton out of friendship, not to seek political gain. . ."  reports The WashingtonPost . 

Robert L. "Red" Bone ran the Springdale, AK financial services company REFCO allowed the trades and later, after investigation, had to pay the largest fine at the time in the exchanges history and was suspended for three years. Hillary Clinton said she was able to make the successful trading because she read the Wall Street Journal for research.

Lootergate - Bill and especially Hillary started to ship White House furniture to their personal home in Chappaqua, N.Y.. The Clintons claimed they were donated, but at only some were proven to be donated and meant to stay in the White House after contacting the manufacturers. The Clintons returned some of the furniture after pressure was put on them to do so.

“GOP lawmakers and others criticized Hillary Rodham Clinton in particular for accepting many presents just before she joined the Senate and became covered by strict ethics rules that prohibit accepting gifts worth more than $50.”

Drug Dealer Donor Scandal - Convicted drug trafficker Jorge Cabrera apparently made such a big donation to the Clinton’s campaign that he was invited to the White house without Secret Service present.

Ponzi Scheme and Political Favor Scandal - Norman Yung Yuen Hsu was a convicted pyramid investment promoter, and major Democratic donor. He contributed an undisclosed amount to Hillary Clinton’s 2008 campaign. 

“He was sentenced to more than 24 years in prison in 2009 by a judge who accused him of funding his fraud by manipulating the political process in a way that 'strikes at the very core of our democracy.”

Benghazi - Just watch this

Here is an article posted in the New York Times in 1996 entitled “Blizzard of Lies” about Hillary Clinton.

The mega  Clinton Foundation  is also rife with cronyism and political favors.

For a larger list of scandals associated with the Clintons, check out The Clinton Crime Library . 

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As with Obama the unrelenting support for everything Obama has done whether it be right or not has angered many and now we have Hillary, who is carrying a lot more baggage than Obama brought into the White House, mostly because the media would never vet him as they are trying to continue the same tactic with Hillary today.

Oh, by the way, don't forget to click on the links in the article.  There's one where Hillary was called a congenital liar you don't want to miss. Here

Our feelings are warranted when we say we hate Hillary Clinton and if she didn't have so much support from the media, elites with power, Wall Street, FBI, CIA, and the Justice Department, there would be not doubt why, even by the most faithful of her followers.

Thank you for your comment and your long list of linked Clinton scandals.

Have you ever known someone who wasn't the paragon of integrity, yet they were your friend?  I knew a bank robber.  Does that make me one?

All the above just reminds me of politics, as usual.  I'm sorry, but you've never been here in KY politics-- this is normal.  

Should I call out Ernie Fletcher, our republican governor, who granted my position on the Geology Board to a republican?  He took a non-political position and turned it into a political appointment.  I mean, that's cronyism at its finest.  Yet, it is just the way things are.  To the victors go the spoils.  

I am also close friends with several ministers-- does that make me a minister?  Just because I park a fire truck in my garage, doesn't make me a fireman.  Or just because I can drive our ski boat, doesn't make me a Captain, either.  

Shady dealings are part and parcel of politics.  If Mr. Trump's business dealings were scrutinized, I'd bet you would have a VERY long list of "scandals", too.  Let's look at Mr. Bush-- why did gas go up to $5 a gallon under his dictatorship, when he owned so much oil stock?  Why did the oil business get taken out from under the Clean Water Act, under his leadership?  This is just a part of it.

I'm not wasting my time clicking on links to more innuendo, gossip, rumors, and crap.  I get all I need here, on this site.  And I'm tired of it.

Mrs. Clinton is not the perfect candidate, but she sure is a lot better than a lot of the others-- especially Mr. Trump.

"Have you ever known someone who wasn't the paragon of integrity, yet they were your friend?  I knew a bank robber.  Does that make me one?"

So you are saying just because you are voting for a lying criminal murderer that does not make you one?   Good God girl are you reading your own posts?!?   

IF YOU ARE VOTING FOR THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS IN THIS ELECTION YOU ARE STILL VOTING FOR GREAT EVIL!

Look I know Gary Johnson has no chance of winning but it he were to get 15% or more of the vote they have to let a new party in the next presidential debates. 

I have said it before and I'll say it again.  The only possible good that can come out of this election is a viable third party in future elections.

I have said it before and I'll say it again.  The only possible good that can come out of this election is a viable third party in future elections.

There I agree... and a do over for the other two. 

I would like someone to answer my question, so I will try you Perrie. 

Donald Trump believes in or has given voice to dozens of conspiracies. For example, he wondered if Antonin Scalia was murdered. He believed President Obama was born in Kenya. He said Cruz' father helped kill Kennedy. He has spread the conspiracy involving the death of Vince Foster. 

Should someone who believes in dozens of conspiracy theories EVER be elected president? In other words, isn't belief in so many conspiracies disqualifying? 

Donald Trump believes in or has given voice to dozens of conspiracies. For example, he wondered if Antonin Scalia was murdered. He believed President Obama was born in Kenya. He said Cruz' father helped kill Kennedy. He has spread the conspiracy involving the death of Vince Foster. 

Should someone who believes in dozens of conspiracy theories EVER be elected president? In other words, isn't belief in so many conspiracies disqualifying? 

Personally I don't think so. But I also have a problem with Hillary and her server. The only question I have about Trump, is if he really believes these things or not. If he does, then he's nuts. If he doesn't it just makes him another political tool. 

No.

Dowser were not Ford, Bush 41, Dole, Mc Cain, Romney not moderate enough for your support?  Did you really vote to re elect Carter over Reagan or for the very liberal Mondale who lost 49 states?   

I know that Reagan is your hero, so I will say nothing against him.  But, I voted for Carter, twice.  I did not vote for either Bush, but the elder was pretty good, and I could have voted for him.  He was a good man.  But, his "read my lips" stuff about no new taxes, right before he raised taxes sort of ticked me off.

So, no.  Looking back, they were moderate-- a LOT more moderate than currently.  Yet, I couldn't bring myself to vote for them.  Somewhere in there, I think the younger Bush, is when I wrote in my husband's name...  

"Should someone who believes in dozens of conspiracy theories EVER be elected president? In other words, isn't belief in so many conspiracies disqualifying?"

LMAO!!!  You are the most hypocritical person I know.

Someone involved in dozens of scandals should probably be disqualified.  Someone that breaks the law and then lies to congress, thereby breaking it again should defiantly be disqualified. 

Chew on that for a while, and think about what you are advocating.

Someone involved in dozens of scandals should probably be disqualified.  Someone that breaks the law and then lies to congress, thereby breaking it again should defiantly be disqualified.  

Chew on that for a while, and think about what you are advocating.

You dont have any proof.

We have proof Trump believes in conspiracies out of his own mouth.

There is proof she lied to congress and you know it.  It is so sad you constantly deny the truth.

Hillary has been talking conspiracy since midway through her being the First Lady.

Should I call out Ernie Fletcher, our republican governor, who granted my position on the Geology Board to a republican?  He took a non-political position and turned it into a political appointment.  I mean, that's cronyism at its finest.  Yet, it is just the way things are.  To the victors go the spoils.  

That's not quite the same. There are certain positions in government that are non-competitive appointments. Just because the governor can fill those positions as he sees fit (if that's what happened), doesn't mean that the entire government serves at his whim. And I know for a fact that is not how the federal government works.

Shady dealings are part and parcel of politics.   

Only if you let it be so. I want transparency and honesty in government and will settle for nothing less. 

Six,

Your laundry list is, once again, exempt of any actual facts. Look at the first entry, Chinagate. There was an investigation. None of your links lead to any negative conclusion to that investigation. 

You can go through every one of your "scandals" and you will find the same thing: accusations and innuendo... but nothing concrete. 

I might post an acticle asking "Is there any truth to the rumor that Sixpick is a spy for North Korea?"... and then suggest that since the question has been asked, there must be something... 

Is the rumor true, Six? You owe it to the public to produce proof of your innocence! And if you cannot produce proof that is satisfactory (and I will be the judge) then everyone may conclude that you are indeed a spy for North Korea. 

That's terrible, Six! Shameful! A spy for North Korea! 

Six,

Bob has a point. If even half that list was true, she would be in jail. I think too many of you have been watching "House of Cards". 

LOL I will play devils advocate here , ( Blame the Cuban cigar like I told dowser).

How about an example from history with at least 33 victims( more than likely there are more )  which led to zero convictions?

Alphonse Capone, never convicted of any murders ( was convicted on income tax evasion, the conviction that brought him down).

 how did he get away with it ? simple it was done by others at his direction while he had alibies established, (most famous being the St valentines day massacre, he was in Miami when that happened.)  a degree of plausible deniability was established and no real way to connect him to the events.

so it is plausible, even if it isn't probable , its all in how well one insulates themselves.

Six could be the ''Manchurian Candidate'' for all  we know. ''They'' said so.

Good one Kavika!

Times are a changin' ... The Manchurian candidate was a Soviet agent a few decades ago. I guess he had to change employers when USSR collapsed. So now he works for North Korea. 

Isn't it amazing how these puzzle pieces fit together to prove that Six is a spy? 

All we have to do is connect the dots....The evidence is right there for everyone to see...

Leave me alone!

Aha!

As good as a confession.

Never fear... this dangerous foreign agent (born in Kenya, of course) will be arrested shortly. Maxwell Smart is on the case!

I might post an acticle asking "Is there any truth to the rumor that Sixpick is a spy for North Korea?".

Well, people are saying that Sixpick is a spy for North Korea (so it must be true!).

Oh, my!

This is the second time I've read something about Six being a North Korean spy. There really MUST be something to it!

OH, Six, about the gay guy?  Don't bet on it.  I was the one that rushed a table full of them for my sorority, back in college.  I had never seen such beautiful women...  Of course, when I realized they were gay, I was mortified...  But they felt it to be very complimentary!

Come on SIx.  Don't you know by now the democratic candidates shady/criminal past doesn't matter to a liberal?

BRoad brush painting again?

96 the same could be said about Republicans. Anyone who holds on to a specific dogma despite evidence has their head stuck up their parties butt. 

And how many ex-wives?  And how many of them did he cheat on?

The entire democrat party is corrupt, including it's followers.

Yup. But OTOH, the entire republican party is pure as the driven snow. How can we account for that YUGE discrepancy? 

'Tis a mystery indeed!!!!!

Then, write his name in.  I like him, too.

BUT, I'm going to vote for the candidate most likely to keep Trump OUT of the White House.

Seems like I am forced into the same boat my dear...

I'm going to (be forced) to vote for the candidate most likely to keep Hillary OUT of the White House.

Maybe we could get adjoining cabins on that cruise, walk the veranda together and pine about how wonderful a world it would be be if only we were running it....

I really don't want to run the country.  I'd just like to live through marching band season!  Which, interestingly enough, coincides with the election cycle...  

But I would gladly take a cruise and stroll on the veranda!  

See my comment to Dowser.  I thought you had more sense than to play that game NWM.

As being of long acquaintance brother, (longer than my time on NT) I can forgive the occasional assumption given the subject matter.... {chuckle}

BUT, I'm going to vote for the candidate most likely to keep Trump OUT of the White House.

...and you will be the useful idiot you were designed to be.    This is not a bash on you Dowser.  Just the truth of what our election process has become.

You are a conspiracy fan. Which more than explains your choice of Trump, who believes in dozens of conspiracies. 

96, should the United States of America have a president who believes in dozens of conspiracies?   Doesn't that sound dangerous to you? 

96, should the United States of America have a president who believes in dozens of conspiracies?   Doesn't that sound dangerous to you? 

No, it's much better to have a president who was actually involved in dozens of scandals. 

Damn good point!

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If the truth hurts that much John, you should probably ignore reality and truth and stick to your Liberal news outlets that feed you all the shit you want to hear.   Oh wait, that's what you are already doing.  Well, try not to be such an ass about it then, eh?

You know damn well I don't support Trump John.  Why do you post this shit?  And why do you support someone who is ALREADY INVOLVED in dozens of scandals?  Look in the mirror dude.

John has said I too will ultimately  vote for Trump and nothing could be further from the truth. 

It doesn't make any difference who Jefferson votes for.  He lives in California and we know the delegates will go to Hillary no matter how many people vote for Trump.  Same as it was with Bernie.

What, pray tell, do you expect me to do about it?  

Ranting and raving, pissing and moaning, does no good, at all.  Refuse to participate?  Not at all.  That's not my civic duty.

I can't fix the system, 96.   So why take all your frustration out on me?  This was my Daddy's favorite prayer:

This was my Daddy's favorite prayer . . .

I bet your daddy would have taken a stick to Hillary.

Probably.  I know he would have likely shot and killed Trump.  He had no time for people like Mr. Trump.  Maybe I'm glad, for once, that he's gone on and dead...  At least I don't have to face a national trial, etc.

I know he would have likely shot and killed Trump.

A psychic I know predicted that that would happen-- let's hope she's wrong!

My father has been dead since 1985.  I don't think he has anything to worry about.

If people on the Internet did that...most discussion sites would shut down!

Heh 

 God Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.....

Other people, places and things....

 The courage to change the things I can.....

Me, myself and I....

 And the wisdom to know the difference.

I am not the most important thing in the world to anyone else....

If people on the Internet did that...most discussion sites would shut down!

Especially the last part:

And the wisdom to know the difference.

(The wisdom to know the difference between the things they can change, and the things they can't... all the hours wasted trying to convince people with opposing views to come over to their side...)

(The wisdom to know the difference between the things they can change, and the things they can't... all the hours wasted trying to convince people with opposing views to come over to their side...)

Now that is the first intelligent thing I've heard you say.... no....just kidding!!!

If people on the Internet did that...most discussion sites would shut down!

Especially the last part:

And the wisdom to know the difference.

(The wisdom to know the difference between the things they can change, and the things they can't... all the hours wasted trying to convince peopleonline  with opposing views to come over to their side...)

(The wisdom to know the difference between the things they can change, and the things they can't... all the hours wasted trying to convince people with opposing views to come over to their side...)

Now that is the second intelligent thing I've heard you say.... no....just kidding again!!!

Wait a minute there 96... who are you voting for? If it's Trump you are also a useful idiot. THEY BOTH SUCK.

I don't like being a useful idiot so I will be voting for  Gary Johnson again, if he gets 15% libertarian party will be included in the next presidential debates. 

I know and I am hoping that he gets that 15%. I actually think the rule is stupid. It is a way for the other two parties to make sure that a third party could never make it. Talk about chronisim. They are both in on that one. 

"It is a way for the other two parties to make sure that a third party could never make it. Talk about chronisim."

 This is why I will vote third party until we get one in the debates.  I am tired of playing their game and being a useful idiot, sooner or later the rest of you will wake up and we will all be better off for it.  I just hope you all wake the hell up before it's too late.

PS stop thinking in the lines of two parties,  That's what dooms people to be useful idiots.  it seems you couldn't fathom how I was not a useful idiot because you couldn't think past the establishment parties..  Your brainwashed!

96, all of us are a "useful idiot" to someone.  

I'll have to be a useful idiot then, because I'm in a swing state where the Democrat Party has never closed any of their offices since 2008.  I can bear the thought of Geroge Soros in the White House.

Disaffected voters in both parties are calling for alternatives to Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in the race to the White House, but third-party and independent candidates face a steep climb to just get on the general election debate stage.

The Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) requires that candidates poll at 15 percent in five national surveys leading up to the three scheduled debates and that they garner enough spots on state ballots to chart a path to the White House.

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I wish them the best of luck!  All of us should at least hear what they have to say.

Maybe I'm missing something.

Read these two links.

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fivethirtyeight

People are basically good and I believe from long experience will do the right thing when given the choice.

But that's exactly the problem-- we are not being given a choice for president that allows us to "do good" this time around.

we are not being given a choice

Who "gives" you this choice? You sound a bit like a little boy whining about Mom not giving him the candy he wants.

If you want to get the candidate you desire, then you must get involved. If you don't get involved, then you are signalling your willingness to take whatever you are "given".

Krishna , I would add that both political organizations have within themselves elements that truly believe  the ends justify the means , so they will do anything to achieve the end they want , take it for what it is I guess. but neither is "clean" and that's the way its been for a very long , long time.

It's why GW (George Washington) detested anything to do with political parties and politics in general.

It brings out the worst in people.......

(much like religious dogma)

Mark, 

both political organizations have

"Both sides do it" is an intellectual cop-out. 

Of course  "both sides do it".  Everyone  does  everything . To some degree or other. Everyone lies. Everyone tells the truth. Everyone cheats. Everyone is honest. 

You and I sometimes lie and sometimes tell the truth. 

Human behavior is very rarely binary: does / doesn't. Human behavior is almost always "more or less". So... When you say, "both sides do it"... you are saying nothing more than "they're human". 

But! If you intend to come to some sort of conclusion, "they're both human" is kinda sorta useless. 

Human behavior isn't binary (on/off); it's a spectrum (1 to 10). And different people are at different points on the spectrum. You and I lie. I hope that my lying is limited to "little white lies", which would put me toward the "honest" end of the scale. There are people who lie massively about important topics; they are near the "liar" end of the spectrum. 

So we must not be satisfied with "both sides do it". We must ask "to what degree? ".

This could be a good topic for an article, but it would probably be deleted... 

For the system to function properly it HAS to have people with integrity in the jobs and positions.

Well, given your YUGE amount of knowledge about U.S. politics (actually your extremely YUGE knowledge about everything!) when in our history has that actually occurred? 

For the system to function properly it HAS to have people with integrity in the jobs and positions.

Well, given your YUGE amount of knowledge about U.S. politics (actually your extremely YUGE knowledge about everything!) when in our history has that actually occurred? 

Every day. Most people are honest and perform their jobs faithfully. Isn't that true of you and those with whom you work? 

 Well, given your YUGE amount of knowledge about U.S. politics (actually your extremely YUGE knowledge about everything!)

You know something, You can fill volumes with what you know, But others can fill whole libraries with what you don't know.

I fall into the same category as you do. I can only fill volumes.....

But I appreciate the compliment.....

Benefits of a classical education....

Hillary and her ameoba like followers/excusers have no integrity at all.

Bernie Sanders has more integrity in the tip of his little finger than HRC and her followers do in their entire mass of flesh.

It's not painting with a broad brush . . .

OMG! Do you realize you have a wonderful career ahead of you as a politician.

One of their typical tactics is to go on about something-- and at the end say they aren't that way. For example, go on and on bashing some minority-- inevitably followed by the statement: "I am not a racist".

You think it is painting with a broad brush?

How many amoeba like followers you think she has?

By your statement in response you obviously think she has some....

Much like saying that she is not the greatest candidate, but she is the best...

BTW How many amoeba like followers you think Trump has?

As far as politics, been there done that.... (30+ years worth)

This article makes more sense for those with amnesia. Hillary did nothing as a senator (other than vote for the Iraq war), was incompetent and dangerous as Secretary of State, and has a history of lies and scandals stretching 40 years back to watergate. In fact, she was probably involved in more scandals than all other prior presidential candidates combined (excluding Bill). Yet the author is befuddled by strong opposition to her. 

Yet, nothing has been proven against her.

Thanks for your comment!

Proving how corrupt and broken government is.  This is why Clinton and those like her need to be tossed to the curb. 

 This is why Clinton and those like her need to be tossed to the curb. 

Tossed to the curb.

Aaah-- a new political metaphor! (I guess we're no longer going to throw them under the bus anymore-- that's soooo yesteryear).

It's a "gentler" version of "Second Amendment Solution". 

Yet, nothing has been proven against her.

True. She's clever. If successfully evading the law were an Olympic event, she'd get a gold medal. 

Yet, nothing has been proven against her.

Are you kidding?  I guess it is futile.  Yuri Bezmenoz said there would be days like this.

Comey convicted her of every aspect of the law and still refused to charge her.

Since then all kinds of evidence of corruption has surfaced.

Comey convicted her of every aspect of the law and still refused to charge her.

Comey was making a recommendation; Lynch is the one who decides whether to prosecute. It's not everybody who has a spouse that can get on Lynch's private plane while it's on the tarmac. While there, he can congratulate her on her rise to Attorney General and simultaneously remind her that she got her start when he appointed her many years ago as US attorney. 

It is obvious evidence means nothing to a devout liberal my friend.

I am a moderate, my friend.  Y'all have just branded me a liberal.  But, I'm not.

"Yet, nothing has been proven against her."

WRONG.  There are mountains of proof.  She is just above the law.  Did she not lie to congress?  Is there not PROOF of it?

"Yet, nothing has been proven against her."

Your statement is total bullshit and I am most disappointed you believe that tripe.

 She broke the law with her email scandal but it didn't matter because she is above the law.  It was PROVEN SHE LIED TO CONGRESS and that is against the law, again it didn't matter.  It won't matter the next time she breaks the law either.  Don't you get it?

They haven't seen anything yet.  Wait until she gets in office.  Even the blind will see!!!!

LOL D, I'm feeling a little cantankerous( blame it on that Havana cigar I had last night, it got me riled up). I equate this subject akin to the argument of evolution vs creationism ( I follow the evolution  side) there are still certain missing links in the theory of evolution , but its widely accepted , and they are still looking for those missing links today , why? because creationist will continually point to those missing links that the chain of evolution is incomplete. will those missing links ever be found? do they even really exist? it lends a plausible deniability to the situation until it is definitively answered , same with the other situation , lotta theory and rhetoric , so people will keep looking until they themselves are satisfied..

You know how hard it is to become a fossil?

Possession of hard parts, rapid burial, mineralized water, being able to be undisturbed for millions of years...  We have yet to scratch the surface of the fossil record.  We just haven't found it yet.  

Not to mention that most humans are up and running around on erosional surfaces, not in depositional environments.  We're up on the ground, not at the bottom of a lake bed-- as a rule.  

yep , but you get the point , hard to get a difinative answer ( let alone a conviction in one case ) if some things are "missing " and may never be found.

That's why we have so many questions of history, I think.  We will never find and may never know some of the answers... 

Yet, I refuse to condemn someone over rumors.  There are those here who condemn others, just because they believe differently.  Paint them with names, call their integrity into question, or their intelligence, etc.

It's not right.  You who are so sure, what if you are wrong?  Would your world come crashing down around you?  Would the fabric of your reality tear?  (I don't mean you, ok?  That is a general "your".)

Let me tell you what my Daddy did in Wyoming, when he was leading a group of hunters in the Gros Ventre Mountain Range.  You'll get a kick out of this!  One of the guys on the trip was behaving like an arrogant ass.  So Daddy, soaked his saddle in the creek, the night before, and let it freeze outside, over night.  He put several extra blankets on the horse, so the horse wouldn't be uncomfortable, but he let the arrogant ass ride that icy saddle all day.  Every time the horse hit a 'bump', he would squeal!  

So, when I say that Daddy would shoot and kill Trump-- that is facetious.  He wouldn't.  But he would take him onto the fancy Dude ranch, take him on a hunt, and let him ride on an icy saddle all day...  

the gros ventre is some pretty country , I hunted shadow and sheep mnt( sleeping indian) for years just west of the gro ventre, spent more time down south in the greys river area , or north up in the pacific creek drainage in wilderness area hunting  less tourist and people , its grizz country to the max there.

Ive only got 3 reasons why I have written off the democratic nominee, (hold on to your shorts for the shitstorm). first was her dismissal during Watergate for unethical behavior by her boss, now I grant she was young , and may not be the same person today than she was in the 70s , hell I'm not the same person I was back then either , but the charge still remains and she was basically fired.

 second , now this is dependant on what you believe , I feel looking at the transcripts she lied to congress, some people don't think she did , or that it was a lie of omission or a little white lie so to speak , sorry to me , a lie is a lie is a lie , white or otherwise, its still a lie. but that's MY call.

 the last and most important to me reason is a matter of trust, based on the above 2 reasons , I cant trust her . all the rest is merely smokescreens and so much clutter and distraction. if they cant be trusted , they don't deserve a vote , least not mine.

 these are all things she did , verified , and only she is accountable for , not underlings or anyone else can be blamed . she had direct control so it was and is all on her.

and remember I'm the guy who during the Clinton Dole race , wrote in his ex wifes name , she was a current wife at the time though, still glad she didn't win.

My daddy went there for years and years, leading hunts of elk for a bunch of rich people-- some of them famous...  We, the family, got to go several times, and it was a lot of fun!  Although one time, Morgan, the cowboy, once told my father, "Bud, you don't have to kill your womenfolk to have a good time..."  This was one of our earliest excursions, when we rode from sun up to 10 pm.  Man, I had to be pried off that horse.  

They put me up on a horse that had obviously been sired by an elephant, and kept telling me to grip with my knees...  Grip WHAT with my knees?  The saddle horn?  I'm a very small person, and that horse was HUGE.  I could rest my chin on his back...  Then, they gave me a smaller, more dainty horse.  Named Lady.  She wasn't.  She turned around and tried to bite my knee off.  Then gave a good imitation of Trigger, standing up and pawing the air...  I hung on, somehow.  After that, she settled down, but it was iffy at first...

The view from the ranch was down one of the valleys of the Gros Ventre ranges, with the Tetons at the end.  Wow!  Talk about picturesque!  The ranch, (Goose Wing Ranch), was a 2 hour drive, over the terrain, from the main road that runs from Yellowstone to Jackson Hole.  I well remember the sleeping indian mountain, and the town.  It was so beautiful there!  At that time, herds of antelope would cross the road at any given moment, running on their free range...  I'm sure it has changed-- everything does.

There were mountain goats and moose and elk, and all kinds of wonderful animals, that you could see off the "road".  They only had 30 days of frost-free weather every year.  4th of July, it snowed-- a LOT.  I was used to the hot and humid KY summers, so that was a shock!

I know , or of the goosewing ,the valley your likely talking about is out by Kelly , and up by slide lake , formed by massive landslides in the early 1900s theres a paved road goes through there now, there are still antelope out on the flats by the tetons , but the reintroduction of the non native wolf , has brought the elk deer and moose populations down some . I am on the east side of the divide now between the divide and the snowy mnt range to the east on the wind river indian reservation. I have the opposite problem with horses , cant find one tall enough for my 6'4" frame without dragging my feet, was told a Clydesdale or percheron was what I really needed if I wanted to ride.

A paved road?  Holy Cow!!!  When we went there, you just took off cross country, trying to avoid the sage brush...  It started like a gravel driveway, and was just about as long-- 30-50', then, you were on your own...  

The people that owned the ranch preferred the snow, because they could get to town in about 1 hour on their snowmobiles.  It just about tore up our camper, driving it cross-country...  

Truly a beautiful area, I must say!  I don't remember seeing a lake there, but it could have been there, and we just didn't see it.  Once there, I had no idea where we were, or where we went.  It was surely gorgeous!  I loved it, but don't want to live there-- too far away from people.  

Have you ever heard of a man named Jim Gay?  He was an internationally known taxidermist that lived somewhere in Wyoming-- I can't remember where exactly...  We went up the west side, and came home via the east side, through Sheridan, etc., hitting all the "hot spots", and he and his wife had a "pet" lynx.  What a beautiful kitty!  The lynx didn't like men, and they had rescued her from an abusive situation-- but she let me love on her, carefully...  She was like a giant house cat, about the size of our dog.

We rode our horses into areas that were only accessible via horseback.  Beautiful area!  

BTW, we have tons of Percherons here, if you want me to look for one for you!  They are HUGE, but very nice horses...  I'm only 5' tall, so it's hard to find a full grown horse small enough for me to be comfortable...

sad to say I think the bulk and majority of my saddle days is behind me , I have friends that loan me horses as need, just don't have room for them anymore since I downsized ,that and taking trips into the backcountry have dwindled  so I really don't have a need for one anymore , but thank you for the generous offer. but at least now you get an idea of how tall I really am.

Yep.  Tall!!!!  Everyone can imagine how short I am at 5'.  It comes in handy for measuring pipe lengths, like on the drilling rig.  10', 15', or 20' sections-- is it 2 of me, 3 of me, or 4 of me?  

I could probably walk under your outstretched arm and never touch my head...  You would have fit on that horse perfectly...  Not me!  It was like riding an elephant!

Hillary did nothing as a senator (other than vote for the Iraq war), was incompetent and dangerous as Secretary of State, and has a history of lies and scandals stretching 40 years back to watergate.

Links?

Hillary did nothing as a senator (other than vote for the Iraq war), was incompetent and dangerous as Secretary of State, and has a history of lies and scandals stretching 40 years back to watergate.

Links?

www.google.com

After Clinton wins the presidency I expect to see a lot of applications for Canadian residency from the right wingers.

Perhaps you can get Buzz to act as your legal representative...Eh.

I doubt it.  I don't recall anyone moving when Obama was elected.  "Safe Place" is a consequence of the mainstream Democrat party.

There are some on here that have expressed the thought that they don't want to live under a Clinton presidency.

This is the opportunity to move..Canada and Mexico being the two closest foreign countries.

If you don't live in a safe place, than move Six...

I think Six's reference of "safe place" went right over your head there Kav.

Probably, cuz most everything that Six posts goes right over everyone's head. Conspiracy theories tend to do that.

It's my understanding that Six lives on a collage campus, in a safe place, 96.

Quite a few things go over Liberals heads since they usually have their heads stuck up their great leader's ass.

Do you know the difference between "then" and "than" Kavika or did somebody cut your middle finger off?

Come on, Six...  Be nice!  

Six when you speak of groups with their heads up their ass, it's C before L....The C's lead the way in that category. C is for conservative if you have trouble with the alphabet.

Now you've gone from the conspiracy master to the grammar expert. Congratulations on the promotion.

My middle finger is fine and pointing at people that have nothing to contribute.

Kavika, I have no intention of moving.  I didn't move during the Obama regime and will stay and be the loyal opposition to any Clinton regime.  Just like I don't leave California even though it is by far the worst state in the country.  Why leave when we can have part of it form a new state and we stay where we are in God's country?  Jefferson, America's 51st state.  Again, no reason to move.  Its better to be a thorn in the side of Washington DC and Sacramento than to move and have no voice. 

"I doubt it.  I don't recall anyone moving when Obama was elected."

That's because we were all fooled at the time. We saw Oprah crying, we heard Bush say he has a front seat to watch history being made, we all BELIEVED at the time.  It took a while to realize our mistake once we saw where his innate loyalties laid.

If you ever look at anything from something other than the Jewish perspective I may drop dead from shock. 

That's funny, the last time I looked in a mirror I didn't see long earlocks, a beard and a wide-brimmed black hat. But then John, if you ever look at anything from something other than an ultra-liberal I may drop dead from shock.

John seems a little bigoted there.

John, a really low blow.  Attacking him over his religion because of a political comment about Obama? 

"Perhaps you can get Buzz to act as your legal representative...Eh."

I only act on retainer - a substantial deposit is required. Send me a private note and I will provide my bank particulars for the transfer.  LOL - I'm going to get rich!!!

After Clinton wins the presidency I expect to see a lot of applications for Canadian residency from the right wingers.

I hope a kid from Kansas drops a house on her but that probably won't happen either.

My, my... More Second Ammendment Solutions... 

My, my... More Second Ammendment Solutions... 

Yep . . . under the right to use houses as airborne weapons clause. 

And then... making a joke of proposing to kill political opponents. 

You're a Republican, right? 

 he could be muslim Bob , they are notorious for taking out their political opposites like that,  amongst other things like believing women have no rights and gays should be hanged... just the bedfellows a certain political party is currently in bed with.....

Hey! Cool... 

Let's derail to Muslim-bashing! 

not bashing bob , just stating observed facts , what? truth hurts? and no worse than your attempted 2nd amendment derail.

And then... making a joke of proposing to kill political opponents. 

You're a Republican, right? 

Nope, just not one of the flying monkey Democrats. 

That's remarkably dense of you, bob.

Not really.  More a reference to Hillary being a wicked witch.  Which she is. 

My EX wife made the mistake of bragging about being able to drive a stick (manual transmission)to one of my daughters friends that complained that they couldn't , in front of me, I concurred and said she could indeed drive a stick , and suggested she get inside before someone dropped a house on her...(was around Halloween) we have no such luck with Hillary since its been said she hasn't driven any vehicle in years.

we have no such luck with Hillary since its been said she hasn't driven any vehicle in years.

Does flying on a broom count?

Does flying on a broom count?

Would you say that about a man?

I think men wave their "sticks" around (warlocks) and the stick is a metaphor....... 

teddy Roosevelt was into the "big stick " policy........

"Would you say that about a man?"

Of course not. Warlocks don't use brooms.

Warlocks ride witches and witches ride brooms. 

Every time I see you 1ofmany, you're holding your stick.   Hmmmmm........I'm not sure if you're afraid someone is going to steal it or you're just showing it off. 

Every time I see you 1ofmany, you're holding  your  stick.    Hmmmmm........ I'm not sure if you're afraid someone is going to steal it or you're just showing it off. 

I can show my stick off and give it away at the same time.

Dunno , but I can say I haven't seen Hillary take the ice bucket challenge yet either....

"Does flying on a broom count?"

Does flying on a broom count?

Would you say that about a man?

Did you see a man flying on a broom in my movie reference?

No, that is a special power reserved for women...  Or Harry Potter...

I read this today and the comments on this article and I must say there are those who are completely void of any critical thinking and then there are those who would like to know the truth.

If someone lies about important details, how do you start sorting out what's lies and what's not lies?

All of the scandals I put up are valid and it is obvious it doesn't make any difference to the hardcore Democrats.  Although Bill and Hillary Clinton have had to return money from donors, not discovered by them but others many times, fined on several occasions for campaign fraud while others involved with them went to prison waiting for their pardon by Bill Clinton, the Democrats think all of these are conspiracies or they refuse to investigate them to know the truth.

After listening to many people involved with the Clintons, reading many situations, it has become evident if it quacks like a duck, swims like a duck and flies like a duck, it probably is a duck.

I don't know how they have avoided all these scandals over the years except it is becoming more evident even when they are proven to be guilty the FBI refuses to recommend charges while a young sailor with a family takes a few photos to show his son and parents where he works, admits he know he did wrong and not will be serving two years in prison after receiving a dishonorable discharge for breaking the law and putting the country in far less danger than Hillary Clinton has done. 

And with the evidence mounting about the corruption between the State Department and the Clinton Foundation, the duck example of all the previous examples may finally be accepted. 

Not all of these scandals would put the either Bill or Hillary Clinton n jail, but some of them would and somehow they have managed to escape charges or have only had to pay a fine.

But these are scandals they have been involved in and there are many more than these and no one can deny this as not being fact.  Some say just because my minister ran off with the secretary that doesn't make me guilty.  That is true, but that is not even related to be a fair comparison.

1996 United States campaign finance controversy

en.wikipedia

White House travel office controversy

en.wikipedia

Whitewater controversy

en.wikipedia

Hillary Rodham cattle futures controversy

en.wikipedia

The Jorge Cabrera Scandal

whatreallyhappened

2012 Benghazi attack

en.wikipedia

If you have investigated this as much as I have along with the links above you know it is a Duck!