Sheriff: Multiple deaths in shooting at Texas church
UPDATE: SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas (AP) — County official tells CNN he was told more than 20 killed and 20 wounded in Texas church attack, but it's unconfirmed.
EARLIER: SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Texas (AP) — A man opened fire inside of a church in a small South Texas community on Sunday, killing multiple people and wounding others before being "taken down," authorities said.
Very sincere condolences to the immediate and extended families of all the victims, those killed and those wounded by this insane individual.
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why didn't he use a knife?
Sutherland Springs Shooter Devin Kelley Was Dishonorably Discharged, Court Martialed in 2014...
Supposedly, his mother in law attended the church??
Merry Christmas!!!
Thank "GOD" he was able to get assault weapons to protect himself.
Merry Christmas!!!
My thoughts exactly - I'm glad we live in a country where even the dishonorably discharged have no difficulty obtaining assault weapons. Freedum!
Nice detective work. I do think this is a another case of Monkey See Monkey Do. The mentally ill eat up the press and want the same kind of attention of the previous murderer. This over and over mass killing was very rare 20 years ago so WTF happened to our society to breed such monsters? Too much welfare, no work, and then JimBob decides to wage Jihad in his town of 1000. Somehow this is all Oblunders fault................
Uhhh, no.
I agree, notoriety may play a part in this copy cat world of mass murdering.
IMO the name(s) of mass murders should not even be released.
"an anonymous monster opened fire" is good enough for the press,
As it is we hear more about the murder than we do the victims each time within minutes. That should change.
Actually the 1980s & 1990s were some of the worst years for mass shootings . One big change is that we now have a 24/7 news cycle which loves drama.
In 1999 there was a mass shooting in Ft Worth at a Baptist church, I think the shooter was named Ashley or Ashbrook or something like that.
And then there was the Luby's Cafeteria case several years, and then the shooter in the tower, both in Texas I believe.
The schizophrenic brother of my old business partner was stopped before he replicated Austin's clock tower shooting.
Despite being banned from doing so by federal law.
Exactly. It shows how easy it is to get these weapons on the private market.
We really need to do what Australia did.
seriously, there is zero chance of that.
regardless how many people die or how anyone feels about guns they will not be banned in the usa like they did in australia.
Evil breeds evil. Atheism has removed God from schools, public places and look for ways to cause a stir...then wonder why God has removed his hand of protection. THEY kicked him out! THEY caused this evil and hatred! Yes, Oloser increased the hatred and divide but in end, what do they expect when they enabled the devil to do his dirty deeds??? Hollywood glorifies guns as long as they are able to make money on them (Gun Woman, Top Gun, Die Hard, The Dark Tower) then they bitch about gun control! The hypocrisy is astounding!
Yep, smuggled in by illegals that the digressive left insists on letting in....dont bitch when you enable!
Very sincere condolences to the immediate and extended families of all the victims, those killed and those wounded by this insane individual.ag
Agreed
I wish this didn't feel so familiar. America needs to do some deep soul searching. Condolences to everyone.
Just awful news. My heart goes out to the families and friends involved. Another sad day in America.
Can't go to CA on the I-10 without going through Stockton which is just a little way from this small town.
We have some deep troubling problems going on in the U.S. It is not about guns and mental health, it goes deeper. We seem to have lost our focus on the basics. The guns are a means to an end and, for sure, mental illness takes over when a person feels there is no reason for existence and takes out innocents who he blames for his inability to become one of them.
These people are good people and my heart breaks for them.
Being reported now that the pastor's 14 year old daughter was also killed.
That is so sad......!!!! I cannot quit crying over this...!
They say the shooter is David Patrick Kelly.
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The Know Nothing party was right.....we need to stop these Irish immigrants!
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Why are you posting this?
He posted 'this' because Alex Jones has a track record on matters like this.
Comment removed for skirting the CoC [ph], every time someone says something you don't like hearing, they are 'trolling' or 'clickbaiting' or 'disrupting,' or something bad like that. Grow up.
ARGH.....I am formally requesting a waiver to be able to refer to you as X.
X - I never knew you on the other site. My request has nothing to do with past or present reputations. It's just .......how do I say this......it's Palin....
I'd rather not say anything derogatory since you clearly are fond of her. If I can't have my waiver then I guess I just won't address you by user name.
You think people from Newsvine came here and badmouthed you behind your back? Really?? You have a real persecution complex, and get all worked up over the smallest things, even imagine things to get worked up over. You need to relax and not take everything so seriously. You should try marijuana.
We can't mock Alex Jones??
Live Coverage see for yourself.
Checked out a bit of it. The atomic iodine toothpaste?
Inappropriate timing for that one, John.
Nope. Don't agree.
When would the appropriate time be, Sister?
Doesn't really scream out, "Muslim terrorist" does it.
I haven't read anything that anyone claimed that the murderer was a "Muslim terrorist". Murderers come in all races, religions, and ethnicities. Other than trying to inflame something that doesn't exist, what's your point?
He doesn't have a point and he is getting on my last nerve!
Don't take the bait, Mags. There are several of them -- same thing happened on NV.
It is tough when needled with this shit.
Ok. I am out of here. Have a good evening. Be tuff!
Yep, don't take the bait, there is enough time later to address this.
You mean harassing me. At least you admit it.
Are you disappointed?
I am disappointed that these people are dead and no one ever wants to address the GUN problem this country has. I keep hearing that more guns means less crime, but with 320 MILLION guns in the hands of my fellow American's, the mass shootings keep happening more and more frequently. Last year 104 people died in mass shootings in the month of June alone.
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A mass shooting is classified by the FBI as 4 or more victims. Following that criteria, do you know how many mass shootings we had in 2016?
477. Think about that for a second. But, "more guns means less crime"? No, it really doesn't.
This shooting today? Marks #377 for THIS year. Put that into perspective? We have more mass shootings in a month than Australia has had since 1628.
We don't have a gun problem. We have a hate problem.
Voted you up. Your point is solid.
Naw, it’s a gun problem.
How many mass shootings would there be if people didn't have free access to guns?
No worries there then since there have been low life criminals since before the first human ancestor fell out of its tree.
I know
Who's asking you to give them up?
Are those things made with the sole purpose of killing someone or something? Again, you are comparing apples to bowling balls.
Nope, rather poor guess. Let ME guess. You want to start arming babies the minute they are born because you actually believe more guns means less crime. Hey, putting words in people's mouths sure is fun.
No. Stop spreading lies please. Rude and a CoC violation. That's twice on this article you have personally attacked me. Enough. I do own several guns, probably a lot more than you do.
477 mass shootings in one year, and it has nothing to do with guns. That's some next level spin you have going there.
Fine, prove me wrong? We'll wait.
477 mass shootings last year...and gun crimes are DECREASING? LMAO!!!!!
A/noon XD....Turned the radio on this morning..Headlines "been another mass shooting in the States"..I hold my breath, how many this time??...thank goodness (if you can say that) it is not as bad as Vegas...No idea what the answer is over there, or even if there is one. But there is one thing I wish they would stop doing is comparing Australia with the USA. We are not even in the same ball park when it comes to guns, we have a completely different mentally and mind set. Yes our history is similar is some aspects back in the 1800's and 1900's, but that is where it ends. You went down one road and we went down another. It annoys me we get dragged into the mire, and no before anyone starts, guns are not banned here!!....We have our shootings, our murders, our robberies..we are no different to you there..But for us, one devastating mass shooting was enough..It rocked the country to the core and yes legislation was brought in to try and stop it happening again. No, we are not naive to think it will NEVER happen again, but we hope it is few and very far between. People are worried in the US about foreign born terrorists. But time and time again, it is your own, White, Black US born and breed citizens pulling the trigger. Why???..It really is quite astounding...Feel for the lost souls, their family and friends, the first responders and the residents of this tiny town...An unbelievable tragedy, that unfortunately will be repeated again and again...
The real tragedy here will be the 'adnauseam thoughts and prayers' as the guns sales record a positive bump.
You would think that all the thoughts and prayers from the Las Vegas massacre would have prevented this - but not only didn’t they help, but this time it happened in God’s house!
No. It is the reality of truth in these matters that are classless. The Capital in Stock Sales of the weapons manufacturers will increase.
Merry Christmas!!!
And nothing but crocodile tears from the gun freaks
Merry Christmas!!!
Another mass shooting in America. How boring. I wish some new things would happen here.
Only 25 or so, too, nowhere near high score!
But it did make a new record - highest gun related body count in a church in American history. Suck it Dylann Roof.
Hal, you and Mr Frost seem rather cold. Have you checked with your cardiologist lately?
Hal, you and Mr Frost seem rather cold.
It must be from the never ending stream of chilling mass shootings. I’m fucking numb to it anymore. I don’t even know why people care anymore, since nothing ever gets done to address it. It’s just a fact of life in the US - people love guns enough to tolerate mass shootings.
Is Islamic radical terrorism a thing in the US?
If it is, then so is white guys with "assault rifles" shooting up public places, a thing.
Thank goodness a good samaritan with a gun prevented this scum bag from killing more people......
Our thoughts and prayers go to everyone that was effected by this senseless act of Pure Evil.
Yes TAP, what would it be like if all the guns were in the hands of the criminals and murderers? We'd really be sitting ducks. Remember the Tennessee shooting in the church? If the church usher, Robert Engle, after being pistol whipped, had not ran out to his car and gotten his gun and held the gunman until the police arrived he would have gone on killing.
Just what we need, take all the law abiding citizens guns and make us sitting ducks. How many of these killings have happened in places where guns aren't allowed? Nearly all of them, correct?
I assure you the people involved in this tragedy today aren't thinking about giving up their guns and neither am I.
I don't know seems like it's working out better in Britain than it is in the U.S.
Tragic.....and there's no end in sight.
There doesn't seem to be, does it? Today marks another tragedy in this country and a lot of people who lost their loved ones, not to mention all those who were injured, something we tend to overlook.
Pretty fucking sad people. Pretty fucking sad. The brass isn't even cold and we have dumasses in Congress who want to blame the gun, crying out that there is too much bloodshed because of GUNS. Kiss my ass.
And for those of you here that agree with them, at the risk of a CoC violation, you can line up right behind them
Before you even THINK about attacking our Constitutionally protected right, before you start whining that America has a GUN problem, you better make sure that this wasn't avoidable. And I mean that there isn't already a law that could have prevented this. Because it's beginning to look like there was:
While all the facts are not in yet, it appears, based on news reports, that this dip shit was Court Martial-ed, and received a Dishonorable Discharge. So that begs the question, how the fuck was he able to get a gun, since the LAW SAYS HE IS PROHIBITED?
So before you bleeding hearts start talking about laws to limit my right, make sure the current laws are being enforced. I flat will reject as utter fucking stupidity any call to limit our right any further when the current laws are not being enforced.
So if that shoe fits you, lace that fucking Hush-Puppy up and walk the fuck on.
It's probably because guns are ubiquitous in our society and thus very easy to get privately.
We're also talking about Texas were you can go to any gun show and buy what you want, no checks.
Doesn't change the fact that the law (possibly) was already broken.
Only from a private seller.
Sorry Bruce sometimes it is about the gun
Bullshit. Pure fucking Bullshit. It's about him. The gun didn't kill those people by itself.
E.A JR I know that some Robotics are set up to Aim and Fire without any " Human interface " but are you saying that this Gun had that Option?
OR:: If a Gun was not available that this " Person " would have not come up with an equaly if not more devastating alternative?
So lets take this Gun Plus Human = Death Human. Or Human Plus ( Fill Options )
Now, what one has to be removed to stop death, is the GUN, would not the Human find an alternative? so why avoid the realism?
There are people who have an abnormal and even sick fascination with guns.
The society needs to discourage that. Instead, we seem to encourage it.
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He is obsessed with guns, what does he care about an alternative?
E.A Why can YOU not see the " Alternatives "?
Here are some what IFS::
If he is the ONLY one with a Gun, who can stop him>?
IF some one else had a Gun and was willing to USE it, could this have had Fewer Fatalities?
Which of the above would have had a better finish, and as I asked earlier, would the KILLER have been deterred, if he did not have a Gun, Let me rephrase it,......
Killer with NO Gun, he is willing to KILL anyone and all .. so how would a Killer like that attain their Goal,::
A To Get a Gun?
B To Commit a Massager?
What have we see with Cars, Trucks, Chainsaws, Chains and Fire?
E.A I see here another Obsessions with " Guns " but I wonder, is the Gun the Obsessions or something else?
I've never understood you gun enthusiasts lamenting that current laws are not being enforced, as if it's some kind of argument in your favor. Do you think people who want to bring in gun restrictions do NOT want the current ones enforced? Of course they do, how could anyone possibly think otherwise? Since we all agree, why do you angrily demand to know why these laws are not being enforced? Who are you mad at, law enforcement for not enforcing them?
According to Joe Biden, yes.
Apparently, he beat the shit out of his wife and baby, spent a year in the pokey, and was then dishonorably discharged. He has also been arrested at least once for possession. Another interesting story that has come out, though I haven't been able to confirm it, is that his mother-in-law lives in Sutherland Springs and attends that particular church.
Sounds like this was another "perfect storm" scenario.
Mental illness, military training and a gun.
Those three don't mix and when they do many in times like it seems many die.
No blame throwing, just my observation. that this is a really bad combination.
Also no answer to the problem given either, because I dont have one.
May the dead rest in peace and the living have a fully quick recovery.
right wingers have honorable discharges
the shooter was a leftwing antifa supporter who converted to islam and was a day late for the antifa nov 4th uprising
Ok, I would like to ask you gun, er, enthusiasts [I guess I shouldn't use the n word here at NT!] a couple questions...regarding these bump stocks. The first answer seems obvious but you gun enthusiasts don't always admit the obvious so here it is:
Do you think the Vegas killer got off more shots and very likely killed and injured more people because he had them? And
Would you consider discussing banning or controlling them? Even the NRA is willing to talk about it.
Yes and Yes.
Here are two questions you need to ask about ANY new regulation you may want to support:
E.A How many Guns ,,, were Used... so that means what about the Excess number?
Are you aware that he was aiming to Blow up Fuel tanks? So lets remove " Guns " and replace with ------ for exploding the Fuel Tanks, what would have been the end result?
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