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an article about respect on newstalkers

  

Category:  News & Politics

By:  321steve  •  9 years ago  •  128 comments

an article about respect on newstalkers

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                         Respect                               Freedom

 

Every article needs a picture. I thought about the Kennedy son saluting his father’s casket as a picture of respect but decided that was somehow perhaps too much respect and therefore kinda disrespectful so I chose these.            (Feel welcome to add yours)     

 

Someday I’m going to seed an article about respect on newstalkers.   

I’ll talk about how much I liked newsvine and how I had gone there for years, never even knowing newstalkers existed because I just saw NV thru NBC links.

Maybe I’ll say how I adapted to the changing “atmospheres” and changes at NV and started taking for granted that NV would always be there.

I’ll say how when I first came to NT to check it out I didn’t understand why adults needed “talking rules” here,  NV didn’t seem to.  I might mention how I recognized this site was much more sophisticated and allowed different mediums to be used in making comments. And how nice it was to have those options for the posters. Videos, audio, Pictures, nv didn’t have that !

I should say I considered not having a constant news feed and instead having members seeding the articles quite different and not as overseeing of what all is happening in the world, news wise though.

Because I had only went to NBC news and just commented on the linked articles thru NV I wasn’t use to “Seeding” anything. From what I saw at the time it did seem like there were more conservatives seeding articles than liberals were on here, especially after being at nv. I also soon understood this site had been up and enjoyed for years by many folks. Some/many of whom I understand are still here today.

Although I liked parts of what I was seeing I wasn’t so sure about other parts. I wrote and seeded an article stating my feelings and was quickly asked to stay and reconsider my  first impressions. I had committed myself to at least see the article out. I did and was won over to at least give Newstalkers more than a passing nod.

I knew I was going to miss nv and had actually thought about trying to start my own newschat site… lol

BTW: I have NO experience or training in doing so, I quickly thought otherwise !

That leads me to the whole point of all this. I realized what a f-ing nightmare setting up and maintaining a site would be.   It would be a  24/7/365 Nightmare.  

And that was before I saw how sophisticated this site is.

When I came here and saw this wonderfully functional and organized site that many had enjoyed for years some of my first thoughts were, don’t make waves and leave a small foot print.

I also gained a great deal of respect for the people who can and do set up a website like this and offer it to the public especially at no charge and then do all that is required to even maintain one. Let alone like here where Perrie along with others oversee it and try their best to keep everything civil.

Now I am somewhat disappointed seeing that some new people Do come here and do not seem to appreciate any of this. Some even going so far as to disrespect the mods and Perrie herself.

It would be my hope that an article like this would perhaps help bring a better prospective to others just coming here. And maybe even remind the folks who have been here a while what you/we, Perrie has here and maybe even give the mods and owner a break from time to time when we know ourselves we’re getting close to the line.  (Over worked mods can’t be a good thing.)

IMO … Respect the site, the members, the mods and the owner, or find the door quickly.  

To all: Thanks for all the welcome I have gotten and allowing me to join your wonderful site, Steve

(But don’t be surprised If I tend to disagree with everyone of you at some point on something someday.) …lol  

And I’m sure I’ve probably already not been as respectful at times as I could have been and may be again. So.

Sorry, but my best wishes to all and to all … have a good day/evening/night.  24/7

Hey …………Here’s an idea……………………..Lets all try to be nice(r) to each other and attack the politicians and media that are dividing us up for their own power and wealth instead.   

I am asking that everyone commenting on my (whatever the hell this is ) to keep it on topic and not make me have to watch over this seed too much, PLEASE, if you want to fight, do it elsewhere. Thank you. Steve

One last thought,  Thank you Perrie  (and others) without all your efforts and time and whatever all else you and others have invested and have done, without which none of this would even be able to be posted.  Respect....


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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     9 years ago

I've been trying to think of an attention grabbing comment so others would read this seed. But this is all I got… lol

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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2.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2    9 years ago

Give it time, those who get bored with the others seeds/articles will eventually come around, and if they don't they are the ones missing out...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2    9 years ago

This was pretty damn good. Kind of speechless. 

 
 
 
Uncle Bruce
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2.3.1  Uncle Bruce  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3    9 years ago

He just wants to be one of your pets.

Just Kidding.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Uncle Bruce @2.3.1    9 years ago

Bruce,

There is only one pet in my life........

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.2    9 years ago

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Spikegary
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2.3.4  Spikegary  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.3    9 years ago

What is that strange foot like growth coming out of the cat's neck?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.3.5  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.2    9 years ago

O but I'm so adoptable, housebroken, current rabies shots and I'm great wth cats and children too.

Surely a welcome addition to any home.

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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2.3.6  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Uncle Bruce @2.3.1    9 years ago
Just Kidding.
Respect... I get none.
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Paula Bartholomew
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2.3.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.2    9 years ago

What a beautiful face, both of you.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Spikegary @2.3.4    9 years ago

You mean my hand... or his soul patch? Yes folks I have a cat with a soul patch. He's one cool cat. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.3.9  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.3.7    9 years ago

Awww.. thanks... Wally is a handsome boy. 

 
 
 
nightwalker
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2.3.10  nightwalker  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.3.3    9 years ago

Is that a "I'm putting up with this for your sake and you're gonna pay for it later" look, or a look of disapproval for the camera itself, or the rare "it's a lot harder to take selfies then I thought when you have paws" look?

I have two cats, one just like yours and the first thing I learned is never trust their "I'm completely innocent" look.

 
 
 
96WS6
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2.4  96WS6  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @2    9 years ago

Steve,

I seldom agree with your comments but appreciate that we can debate in a civilized manner as I do with most other members.  After all, that is what the site is designed for.  I am looking forward to more discussions with you.   I think it is important to take in consideration opposing views in all situations, and that we are all better for it and I must admit I have learned a thing or 2 over the years from taking this approach.

 
 
 
Kavika
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3  Kavika     9 years ago

Good article steve, happy that you decided to stay on. 

IMO, this is a pretty good site with upgrades being done on a regular basis. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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3.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Kavika @3    9 years ago

Thank you Kavika, I am enjoying coming here. I read more than anything, Seeing different points of view opens up the thinking process and keeps a person growing.

"this is a pretty good site with upgrades being done on a regular basis."

I agree, like I said I recognized and appreciated the sophistication of this site right away and yes the fact that it is a "alive" growing, changing site is great, I also see that it seems to be IMO pretty well fairly moderated. 

I know I wouldn't what to oversee some of the shit as an observer I'm able to scroll past. 

After observing and some participation I also have come to appreciate Perries contributions and also like I said IMO people should have respect for what is here and the people that make it possible including  the Mods too of course.

Nothing is easy and I'm sure a great deal of time, work and money has gone into setting up and running this site.  

I couldnt and wouldnt do it and I sure appreciate having it here. 

To me it was the elephant in the room. So I wrote about it.

Thanks again, Steve

 
 
 
Kavika
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3.1.1  Kavika   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @3.1    9 years ago
After observing and some participation I also have come to appreciate Perries contributions and also like I said IMO people should have respect for what is here and the people that make it possible including  the Mods too of course.

Perrie works very hard to improve the site and with non bias moderation. IMO, the mods do a great job and are a fair as can be. It's really time for some on the site to quit complaining about bias moderation. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @3.1.1    9 years ago

Some who were the greatest complainers of the biased moderation have already left the site.  I know for a fact that Perrie regrets when ANYONE leaves the site, as one can see that being banned is a very rare event, which means that there is much toleration in the hopes that all of us will also be tolerant and civil, and not overreact.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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3.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.2    9 years ago

This is very true Buzz. 

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4  Nowhere Man    9 years ago

Glad you decided to stay, I came left, came back left came back again left again.....

It can get frustrating sometimes.

At times it appears all conservative and others all liberally slanted, in reality it isn't either.

This is a unique site......

Both side are not only tolerated but desired.....

Some have seen and understand, others do not.

All are welcome unless they decide by their behavior that they are not.....

It is difficult to put up a site like this especially when it is all privately established and not built on the back of some system.

And one hell of a lot of work and expense......

what makes a site like this work is the people that bring a desire for more than the usual and have the patience to see it....

Welcome aboard my friend.....

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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4.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Nowhere Man @4    9 years ago
Both side are not only tolerated but desired.....

Bingo

America needs a mix of all ideologies also, I wish more of us recognized that.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @4.1    9 years ago

I concur. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @4    9 years ago

@ Nowhere Man

In my opinion you have so much to offer for the benefit of the site and its members, besides common sense comments, it always disturbed me when you announced an intention to leave.

 
 
 
magnoliaave
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5  magnoliaave    9 years ago

Hi.....I have been on NT for several months now.  I really enjoyed NV until Dave became moderator and things took a turn for the worse IMO.  I am a Conservative and things got rough.  One of the gang leaders came over here and last week she really was on a roll.  I stayed clear. 

Perrie is awesome.  It is a job that I hope she realizes is truly appreciated.  She is, also, someone you can talk to about situations on here. 

For whatever it is worth, I hope your experience on here continues to be one you are comfortable with.

Cheers!

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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5.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  magnoliaave @5    9 years ago
"Perrie is awesome.  It is a job that I hope she realizes is truly appreciated.  She is, also, someone you can talk to about situations on here."

"For whatever it is worth, I hope your experience on here continues to be one you are comfortable with.

Cheers!"

Thank you I appreciate that. And I fully agree with your first statement. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  magnoliaave @5    9 years ago

Mags,

That is so kind of you to say. Thank you.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  magnoliaave @5    9 years ago

You and I didn't always get along on NV but I really am glad you are here on NS.

 
 
 
Bluestride
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6  Bluestride    9 years ago

Dilly Dilly!!

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Bluestride @6    9 years ago

I'll second that pickle. winking

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1    9 years ago

Are they Gherkin?

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.2  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    9 years ago

Kosher - only - right Enoch???

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @6.1.1    9 years ago

They are both, Kosher and, Gherkin. Kosher for Enoch and, Gherkin for you.

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.3    9 years ago

Apparently you are  unaware that Enoch and I invented the Kosher Winnebagel. We have a patent on it and it's served at Jay's Diner upstate NY. Chief Chef Boiling Water Goldstein is the head chef at Jay's. 

You are welcome to stop by for some of Chief Chef Boiling Water Goldstein internationally famous, Toe Main Soup.Laugh

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.5  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @6.1.4    9 years ago

Absolutely awesome soap - er soup.  Clean ya out in a heartbeat or a fart, whichever comes first.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.6  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @6.1.4    9 years ago

confused I'd like a Rueben with my soup or, is it soap, I'm so cornfused!!! crazy

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.7  Raven Wing   replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.5    9 years ago
Clean ya out in a heartbeat or a fart, whichever comes first

Yeah....but, ya gotta remember...if the fart comes first, the other is not that far behind. (grin)

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.8  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Raven Wing @6.1.7    9 years ago

Isn't that why every table is near a restroom? winking

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.9  Raven Wing   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.8    9 years ago

There, or next to an emergency exit. chuckle

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.10  Kavika   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.6    9 years ago

Generally Lady Fingers are served with the Toe Main soup/soap....

What can I say, it's close to the Bates Motel.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.11  1stwarrior  replied to  Raven Wing @6.1.7    9 years ago

"the other is not far behind" - hopefully - oh fer shure - hopefully.  

Now, if we could only get Jay to change from corn cobs to Sears or JC Penny's - make the stay in the house behind the house a little more pleasant - so we could go back for another beating - er serving of that wonderful soap - er soup.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.12  1stwarrior  replied to  Kavika @6.1.10    9 years ago

Sure that's not Bait's Shop???

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.1.13  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.12    9 years ago

A bait shop and restaurant ? 

I'll pass.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.14  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @6.1.10    9 years ago

Hmmmm, like this?

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=psycho%2c+shower+scene&view=detail&mid=B09FF1FDA375D71D189BB09FF1FDA375D71D189B&FORM=VIRE

Darn it, I can't find the scene from Police Academy 3, were Zed gave his roommate a scare in the shower.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.15  1stwarrior  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.1.13    9 years ago

Where else are you going to get squid and octopus in NY?????

 
 
 
Kavika
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6.1.16  Kavika   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.14    9 years ago

Hold on, my cousin Luther Walks The Horse owns and runs a bait shop and restaurant. It's been in the family for decades. Nightcrawlers are a big seller on both sides of the shop.

It's so popular that Jay's has made an offer to buy it.

This is a very true story. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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6.1.17  Raven Wing   replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.11    9 years ago

Indeed.....and the catalogs would decompose much faster than the corn cobs, thus, taking up less space. But.....Sears and/or JCP have not out a catalog in some time. winking

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.18  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  Kavika @6.1.16    9 years ago

Wow, you can go fishing and, have brown spaghetti all at the same time. laughing dude

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.1.19  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Kavika @6.1.16    9 years ago
This is a very true story.

Well you know what they say, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.   

It does bring a new meaning to "Waiter there is a fishing fly in my soup"   

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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6.1.20  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.1.19    9 years ago

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.1.21  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.20    9 years ago

LOL

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Buzz of the Orient
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6.1.22  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.1.13    9 years ago

You mean you would never eat here?

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.1.23  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Buzz of the Orient @6.1.22    9 years ago

I do eat and occasionally get gas but the worms I can do with out. Thanks anyway.

 
 
 
Spikegary
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6.1.24  Spikegary  replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @6.1.6    9 years ago

One Pee-Wee Herman with Soap up!

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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6.1.25  1stwarrior  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.1.19    9 years ago

Yeah, but if it's a fishing fly, A-Mac can handle that for us.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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6.1.26  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  1stwarrior @6.1.5    9 years ago

Yes, but can it trigger a burp snart?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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7  Dean Moriarty    9 years ago

I agree Perrie has done a great job and her efforts are very much appreciated. I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes and listen to the complaining day after day. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
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7.1  Freefaller  replied to  Dean Moriarty @7    9 years ago

Completely agree, from what little I've seen Perrie and others are doing a great job here and having moderated elsewhere I know how difficult it can be.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Freefaller @7.1    9 years ago

Free,

First, thank you very much...

Second... Did I hear you moderated? If you ever get the urge again, please let me know. 

 
 
 
Freefaller
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7.1.2  Freefaller  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.1    9 years ago

Perrie I certainly will let you know if the urge strikes again, though at a minimum I'd wait till I retire in 3(ish) years.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8  Raven Wing     9 years ago

Steve,

I have truly enjoyed reading many of your comments here on NT. We each have our own perspective on the various topics that are posted, and as a community should all be willing to respect everyone's right to express their own views, beliefs and opinions as much as we expect others to show the same respect for our own. Nowhere is it written that people must accept disrespect, insults or be a whipping post to anyone else here on NT.

Harmony, respect and civility in discussions or debates is not that difficult to attain if all parties are willing to do so. Deliberately using political labeling and pejoratives is done for the sole intent to insult, inflame, denigrate other Members and cause a hostile environment.

You have posted, IMHO, a very thought provoking article, and I also glad that you are going to remain here with us on NT. (smile)

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Raven Wing @8    9 years ago

Thank you for taking the time to respond and your kind words.

I have also enjoyed reading many of your posts. And I'm still getting to know who is who here. I agree about wanting to get along instead of wanting to be disrespectful and fighting. Too bad many of our leaders dont see it the same.  

And yep I calls em as I sees em...

lol

sometimes my vision isn't so good though, hey but at least I'm still alive.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.1.1  Raven Wing   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.1    9 years ago
sometimes my vision isn't so good though, hey but at least I'm still alive.

I think we all have days when our vision may not be at its best. (grin)

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.1.2  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Raven Wing @8.1.1    9 years ago

I figure the first day I dont make mistakes and have problems is the first day I'm dead.

Till then I'm doing great.  lol

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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8.1.3  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.1.2    9 years ago

I never make mistakes, heck, I'm perfect. crazy stunned goofy laughing dude

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.1.4  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.1.3    9 years ago
I never make mistakes

See now that's your first mistake. telling others, now they expect perfection.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.1.5  Raven Wing   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.1.2    9 years ago

I agree, Steve. And if there were not problems for us to overcome, how boring would our world be? It is the challenges that bring out the best in me and help me grow in tolerance and understanding, and I think there are a good many other people in the real might think the same.  LOL!

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8.2  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Raven Wing @8    9 years ago

The only way to achieve “harmony” in today’s political climate, is to either enter an echo chamber or not discus politics at all.  No thanks.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2    9 years ago

I disagree Hal. It does not take much to create Harmony among people, only the will to do so. There will always be those who will do all they can to prevent that from happening, but, there are many, many more who are willing to promote it.

Just my own thoughts on it. 

 
 
 
Capt. Cave Man
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8.2.2  Capt. Cave Man  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.1    9 years ago
It does not take much to create Harmony among people, only the will to do so.

Unfortunately, in many people "the will to do so" means you either need to have the same opinion as me, or, there will be no harmony between us.

Plenty of perfect examples right here on this site.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.3  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2    9 years ago
in today’s political climate,

I agree, so maybe it's time we demand that change. 

I research every candidate from every party and vote for the most qualified I can find for each office I get the chance to. People run the country, elect just anyone and well ya see what we have. division for profit and power.

Voting RRRR or DDD just doesn't cut it any more, both parties have too many crooks. 

IMO Vote for the most qualified People and soon maybe we could have a better government and a better country. 

Or keep voting straight party line and encourage more of the same... our choice.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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8.2.4  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.3    9 years ago

It may be wrong but, I've always voted for the person I thought would do the least damage, if someone was more qualified they got my vote as well, same difference to me, least damage, most qualified.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.5  Raven Wing   replied to  Capt. Cave Man @8.2.2    9 years ago

While it is true that there are those who have no interest in engaging in civil, respectful and harmonious discussions, I have found that there are a good many here on NT who do, even if we don't agree on a topic. We are able to present our POV or belief in a manner that does not devolve into denigrating one another or throwing caustic political labels and/or pejoratives at each other. Disagreeing with another person leaves a lot of room to learn from each other if both parties are willing to keep an open mind. I enjoy discussing other people's beliefs and views, as it helps to broaden my scope of how others see the world we share. 

Those here on NT who have known me for a long time know what I am about, and that I can engage in discussions with opposing views without using a flamethrower to try to get my point across. Some are not interested on dealing with anyone in a civil manner, and think using the flamethrower is the only way to win their side. These are the people I will ignore.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.6  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.4    9 years ago
least damage, most qualified.

LOL So many times it comes down to that, you're onto something, we also need better choices to begin with.

 
 
 
Galen Marvin Ross
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8.2.7  Galen Marvin Ross  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.6    9 years ago

I do believe that taking money out of the process would be a good start.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.8  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Galen Marvin Ross @8.2.7    9 years ago
I do believe that taking money out of the process would be a good start.

I totally agree, that is probably where it all started downhill to begin with. When elections are so expensive only the rich can afford them we're all screwed. And it keeps getting worse.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8.2.9  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.1    9 years ago

Raven, my lady and I are good friends with another couple, but the husband has political and social views that we find morally and humanly repugnant.  We get together for mini vacations two or three times a year, and we can honestly only stand it for a maximum of 48 hours at a time.  This is because of the obtuse, Fox News talking points that he can’t stop himself from regurgitating.

His wife is classy and a dear friend, who never speaks of her politics or religion, but we find him to be just intellectually offensive.  I first learned this on a seven day cruise - imagine that.  By the end of the cruise we were intentionally avoiding each other, because there was nothing safe left to talk about with him in the conversation.  As long as the topic stayed clear if politics and religion, the conversation wasn’t so bad.  Otherwise it was just embarrassingly awkward.

Constant contentious debate is a stressful thing in real life, but this isn’t real life here.  You can turn this off at will.  It’s a good place to vent, and tell people what you think about their lousy politics, but venting rarely involves harmony.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.10  Raven Wing   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.9    9 years ago

Hal....I am truly sorry that you and the husband of your good Friend are not on such great terms. I can see your point in your feelings toward him. And I have run into a similar situation a couple of times in my life as well, so I do understand how you feel.

But, I don't let that influence me in how I interact with others, either in real life on here in the cyber world.  I can tell when someone is only interested in throwing hate bombs around, and those who would also like to engage in civil dialog to exchange our views on various subjects. I prefer to engage with people as if I am sitting across from them having a face to face discussion. It is easy to hide behind the computer screen and keyboard and pound out all sorts of stuff at each other, but, if we are sitting face to face we likely would be more conscience of what we say and how we say it to each other.  So that is how I prefer to interact with people on the Internet to bring a more realistic feel to the conversation. I think of them as real people on the other end, not just some faceless persona. And I find that a much more interesting way to learn from them. 

However, I know not everyone cares about such things, only about who agrees or disagrees with them and feel they have nothing worth learning from the other person. But, there is an old Native American saying,

"Listen, or your tongue will make you deaf."

And I try to apply that to all walks of my life.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.11  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.10    9 years ago
sitting face to face we likely would be more conscience of what we say and how we say it to each other.  So that is how I prefer to interact with people on the Internet

I agree, I try to be aware of the fact that there is always a person behind that screen operating that damn thing somewhere.. And I've also found some people I'm not going to like either way. Others I connect with. But it needs to be a two way street. Just like in reality.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8.2.12  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.10    9 years ago

It is easy to hide behind the computer screen and keyboard and pound out all sorts of stuff at each other, but, if we are sitting face to face we likely would be more conscience of what we say and how we say it to each other.

Face to face is the real world.  This is not the real world.  This is a forum for broad discussions with total strangers from a cross section of this country and other countries - not safe discussions between people who are intentionally avoiding select topics to maintain politeness.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.13  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.12    9 years ago
This is a forum for broad discussions with total strangers from a cross section of this country and other countries

"This is not the real world."

I'd say this forum is part of the real world. 

Even though for myself it's easy to negate the human behind the screen I am aware there is always one. One who like me has feelings. It's not a machine I'm talking to... Thank GOD not yet at least on here.

There's enough computers talking to me when I call a business on the phone these days and luckily I can still tell the difference (in most cases).

Besides that who really listens in a cat fight ? No one really wins anything. Just a waste of time and effort. unless yalie watching your hair turn grey for nada...lol

My main thing is I'm pissed our politicians and media have done this to America for their own gain both in power and profit. Divided america may be profitable for some but it is ruining our country as a whole.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.14  Raven Wing   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.12    9 years ago

Hal...you are assuming far too much about me that you know nothing about, as well as others that I interact with. And even though there may not be faces to the Members here on this board, they are indeed part of the real world we live in. They have real lives, real feelings, hopes, dreams, sorrows and happiness, just like all the rest of the people in the world. 

Not to see that is indeed your right, but, it is also my right to see it, feel it and try to understand it. And that is how I try to relate to them, as real human beings, not just lifeless cyber bots. Many of my Friends here are indeed like family to me, both figuratively and Spiritually, and those who are not Friends with me may one day be, so I try to treat them with respect and civility. 

However, that is just who I am, and I realize we are not the same people and you have your own opinions and views, and I respect that as well. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.15  Raven Wing   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.11    9 years ago
But it needs to be a two way street. Just like in reality.

Indeed, Steve. Just like in real life there will be those whom we may never connect with and that is just a fact of life. As you say, it is a two way street. Yet, I am always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If they prove that my trust in them is not returned then that is on them, not me. 

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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8.2.16  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.15    9 years ago
I am always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt. If they prove that my trust in them is not returned then that is on them, not me.

People meeting you are truly fortunate. I'm not quite so free with my trust or respect. Although I guess I do try to be respectful to all at first as well.  I get to know someone a little and then the trust and respect grows. If it appears it could or is a two way street. 

Some people I just do not want to know. Ever.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8.2.17  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Raven Wing @8.2.14    9 years ago

You take this place way too seriously.  This is the internet - trying to force it to be real life is a little crazy.  It reminds me of someone I used to know online years ago.  Her life seemed to be 75% online and only 25% in reality.  She was so embedded in and engaged with an online forum that we belonged to, that every so often she would open up a chat room and not give anyone the password to join it - “when she wanted to be alone”.  It didn’t occur to her that being alone is easier to do if you just log off your computer.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.18  Raven Wing   replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.17    9 years ago

We each find our pleasure where we like to be. I don't mind being alone, and when I feel the need for human companionship I have a few Friends that I can enjoy being with. I am now working on a new novel, as well as several graphic arts projects, and a couple of animated Kiosk projects for a local business. They all require a lot of concentration and being alone has its pluses in that way.  Thus, I stay busy and informed. 

I am a people person, but, I don't feel the need to be with someone all the time. NT is the only Internet forum I visit, and I have known people here since our NV days. So we have a history together as Friends, as well as the new Friends I have met since joining NT. And I do take my being a Member here on NT seriously, and many of the great people who are Members here as well. 

That's just who I am (smile)

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.2.19  Raven Wing   replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @8.2.16    9 years ago

Thank you for your kind words, Steve. I have spent most of my life working and being with people of all skin colors and ethnic backgrounds and heritages. There are good an bad in all areas of life. I have lived with prejudice because of my being Native American all my life, but, I don't try to judge others by such prejudices. We are all human beings, we are all related. (smile) 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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8.2.20  1stwarrior  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8.2.9    9 years ago

Absolutely beautifully said Hal.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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10  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu     9 years ago

Thank You Johnathon, You are as well. 

Although I do have my not so class moments....

many of them

tmi..lol

 
 
 
lennylynx
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11  lennylynx    9 years ago

Great blog Steve, we've known each other for a good number of years at NV and I sure was happy when you showed up here.  Even though we probably disagree more than we agree, your positions were always well thought out and you were always reasonable.  Speaking of the mods, I think you will find Perrie very close to your political positions; this site is perfect for you.  I can't say that I like NT as much as NV, yet, but there are many from NV here that I have always seen eye-to-eye with and their presence makes is hard to leave.  Your right wing leanings combined with your total rejection of Donald Trump speaks volumes to your fair-mindedness and integrity.  Welcome aboard, buddy, we need you here.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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11.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  lennylynx @11    9 years ago

Thanks Lenny, I had to laugh a little though at your comment about my right wingness. 

I think you may actually have that confused with someone else. I am mistaken more often than not as a lefty. 

However I try to and do consider myself center centered and logical. 

A moderate independant.

It's questioned a lot... lol

I am more liberal socially and more conservative fiscally and constitutionally. 

.................................................................

Yeah I remeber you from nv as well and I was also glad to see you had made it here. I think we both we're recommending this site to a few we wanted to see move here as well. You have also been open minded and fair in your postings as well even when we had disagreed on a few things.

It's kind of ice a few didn't make it here ... I won't mention any names but  d4d + MM are two I wasted two scroll buttons on...lol

As for Perrie, yeah I has seen that her ideologies seem much in line with many of mine as well. And to be honest , I didn't know If I would want to adjust/adapt to here after NV. ... "Talking rules"  .. "mods"  

Man I was used to street battles and matching wits with the witless. lol

Perrie was the one who helped me understand the importance of it all. I had respect for who ever had this site, it happened to be someone who deserves it as well. 

Thanks for taking the time to respond and for the kind words, I'll see ya around here I'm sure,

 
 
 
lennylynx
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11.1.1  lennylynx  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @11.1    9 years ago

The center today is pretty much what mainstream right used to be.  I hope to make you and Perrie see this one day, how insanely right-shifted this country is right now.  Interesting you bring up MM, I think he may be here, a nastier version this time.  Keep your eyes peeled, he he he.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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11.1.2  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  lennylynx @11.1.1    9 years ago
MM, I think he may be here, a nastier version this time.

If he is, I doubt he'll make it long. He'll get called out for the trolling quickly here over and over.

bengazi, bengazi,bengazi... 100 times a day

MY ASS ! 

 I told both of them I was sending them a bill for my damn worn out scroll button. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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11.1.3  lennylynx  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @11.1.2    9 years ago

Lol, he actually used to maker me laugh sometimes, he was so extreme I don't think he was even serious, just trying to get a reaction.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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11.1.4  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  lennylynx @11.1.3    9 years ago

Yeah, MM was .. d4d was insane.

I actually started working on a music collaboration with MM that didn't end up going far. 

But man he could get frickin annoying !!

 
 
 
lennylynx
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11.1.6  lennylynx  replied to    9 years ago

Lol!  You know, there still are one or two of the most backward banana republics on earth with a slightly worse income disparity than us, so I guess we can squeeze over to the right a tiny bit more if we try really hard.  Taking away healthcare from poor people and giving the money to the top 1% might have pushed us to number one, but the corporate thug party couldn't quite get it done.  Maybe next year!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.8  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @11.1.1    9 years ago

Who is MM and D4D.. email me. The only MM I know is Malamute Man and he's a good guy. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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11.1.9  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11.1.8    9 years ago

Different MM.  Email sent.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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11.1.10  Colour Me Free  replied to  lennylynx @11.1.1    9 years ago
Interesting you bring up MM, I think he may be here, a nastier version this time.  Keep your eyes peeled, he he he.

I do believe you are correct!

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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11.1.12  Colour Me Free  replied to  Kathleen @11.1.11    9 years ago

it is on its way :)

How are you B? 

I am glad you stayed, I know you were ready to walk .. loki and I tried to keep you here, it turns out, it is loki that left :(

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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12  1stwarrior    9 years ago

Steve - started out on the "Old" NBC blog 'back in '03.  At that time, you could bounce from one scene to another, no moderation, lotsa fights, great discussions.  Then in '08 when NBC put together Newsvine, I was asked to be an Administrator/Moderator and told Tyler and Sally - thanks but no thanks.  Joined many "Groups" that later turned into Nations and that's when the shit hit the fan.  'Member the max of 15 that you could belong too?  Well, I dropped mine down to eight - all of them with much easier attitudes and little to no back stabbing or throat cutting.  Then the "Moderators" began coming to our "Nations" and sticking their noses in when they didn't need to.  Fortunately, Perrie started The Newstalkers and I got invited by Kavika and the best elder I've ever known, Tsula, to step over here and give it a try.  Wouldn't leave if I had too - great people, great moderators, and, of course, our Perrie - the Queen of NT, the East coast and Long Island.

As mentioned above by others - we've got our good, bad and ugly - but, for the most part, we get along and don't try to cut anyone's throat.  Sure there's disagreements - some good - some bad - but for the most part, all flows well - thanks to the hard work of Perrie and the Mods.

I know/have seen some of the NV's who came to us that are having a hard time adjusting.  They are still trying to "run" things and still hate everybody and everything.  Hopefully, their attitudes will change so the flow of NT can continue on an even keel.

Welcome.  Don't be afraid to post/discuss/present new ideas.  They will be welcomed.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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12.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  1stwarrior @12    9 years ago

Thank you. As a newbie of sorts still myself. Thank you for the understanding. I wasn't too happy about it all myself, till I stuck around a while. With many words of encouragement and understanding I am adapting.  

I had been on Nv for years as well as I said and I didn't have much problem with the riff raff there my scroll button is super charged and my tongue was always being sharpened. Thats what was more of an adjustment for me than anything, walking away from the ass in myself for change.

I'll see if it lasts... lol

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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12.1.2  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to    9 years ago

Thank you 

trump doesn't rule the world yet I say we dont give up the ship. (or more importantly...the country )

trump has good intentions, its just pretty much everything else trump that I tend to disagree with in one way or another. 

There seem to also be a lot of other level headed folks here (of both ideologies) I say we enjoy it. I know I'm trying to and am.

IMO If we actually took the politicians and the media out of the picture Americans could and would get along much better. 

They are the ones dividing us up and pushing the idolicial device for their own power and profit. That's why I suggested we start verbally attacking them (their behaviour) and start being nicer to our own neighbors. A devided America can't be good for any of us.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @12.1.2    9 years ago
trump has good intentions

Did you fall down and hit your head or something?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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12.1.4  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.3    9 years ago
Did you fall down and hit your head or something?

yeah more than once. That's why I sold my motorcycle. lol

No seriously, from the beginning I truly have believed trump had good intentions. The way he talks about this country, it's in his intent. I dare say he intends to be one of the best presidents we've had. You can't tell me president trump would not love to go down in history as "The Greatest President" the country has ever known.

...............................BUT.....................................

Like I said: its just pretty much everything else trump that I tend to disagree with in one way or another. 

I dont care for his personality and never did, I dont think he thinks things thru well enough and I believe a leader of men should have that quality, I also have many other non qualifying believes about the new president but I dont care to get into them here. 

Thanks

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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13  Perrie Halpern R.A.    9 years ago

Steve..

What do I say? Wow.. I am gone a few hours and all this happened and I am speechless. It is not often that meta is good, but this... this was totally unexpected and so pleasantly so.  I know you were dubious from the get go, I am so glad that you decided to stay on.. 

I read each and every post and was very touched by the interaction. It is what I had hoped NT would always be; give and take.. agree and agree to disagree. 

I realize that losing your home was very hard. I know that because it was my home once and I was terrified when I left. I wasn't sure how it would end up.. not sure how long we would last. As you mentioned, we are not a grand enterprise, but we do have heart. As you can see, the members are a true community. That is a tribute to them. I only facilitate. 

I wanted to bang this out before I made some comments in the article. I wanted you to see this. 

I wanted to say... thank you. I say that from the heart. It's moments like this, that it makes all the hard work worthwhile.  

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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13.1  author  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @13    9 years ago
As you can see, the members are a true community. That is a tribute to them. I only facilitate.

You are quite welcome You deserve much of the credit. I just put it into words. Words long over due I'd say from the reaction. 

Every community needs a leader, you are this ones. you with the help of others is what makes any and all of our interaction on here both possible and sets the "mood" for what is tolerated. 

Many people dont understand tolerances have boundaries. You do. That is part of what makes this a great place to come to and discuss some of these very divisive issues. 

Someone earlier said, here Both side are not only tolerated but desired.....

I agree and I'd say that is a result of your understanding and tolerance with boundaries in action and your desire for inclusion and fairness. 

Thank you for having this site and allowing us in. 

PS: I doubt many of us also have the slightest idea of what all physically, mentally or emotionally is also involved in doing this, Both financially , time wise, and a host of other BS I'm sure you go thru to keep this suite up and not only functioning but growing and evolving. (Not to mention civil enough people actually come here) lol

So, IMO Kudos and respect are warranted. I'm just glad I could voice my opinion on it. (Somehow...lol)

I hope you have a very nice rest of your evening,

steve

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14  JohnRussell    9 years ago

Perrie has the right combination of perseverance, judgement, sense of fairness, tenacity, patience , and heart, to be the great leader of this forum. 

I have gotten to know her, and her even keel in the face of such divergent and aggressively promoted opinions is extremely impressive. 

She is the calm in the storm. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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14.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  JohnRussell @14    9 years ago

Hi John,

Thanks for your kind words. 

 
 
 
agent provocateur
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15  agent provocateur    9 years ago

I must agree with the general assessment.  this site is a breath of fresh air coming from the Wild West of Newsvine.  Although a newbie, I can see that the Members are polite, respectful, and enjoy sharing different perspectives.  Ms. Perrie sets the tone and provides a pleasant atmosphere based on adults acting like adults.  Imagine that!  The site is run very professionally and is a welcome environment where all political views are entertained.

Thanks for this wonderful tool that allows a platform for personal expression.

 
 
 
Dowser
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16  Dowser    9 years ago

I've been here for a few years, and can only say that Perrie deserves her due and our thanks!  It is home, here, and I'm glad you're staying Steve!

As a moderator, I get frustrated, at times, and I know that Perrie has to be frustrated with some of our more recalcitrant members...  I know there are days when I shudder to open the flagged items list, and can easily get lost in post after post of snarkiness.  It really ruins my day!  I come here to read interesting articles, meet new people, share viewpoints, and generally socialize.  I'm worn out with the regular political snark, the name calling and the skirting.  For Pete's Sake, let's just all be nice/polite to one another!

Thank you, Perrie, for the site and all the effort you make to insure that we have a good experience!  Thank you, fellow mods for doing your duty, and for doing the best you can to tame the snark.  Thank you, members, for your varied viewpoints, and the fun we have together!

Much love to all here!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Dowser @16    9 years ago

I agree 1000%! 

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Dowser
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16.1.1  Dowser  replied to  Raven Wing @16.1    9 years ago

Thank you, sweetie!  

I think that some  , fortunately not many, of the people on this site are like Harry Potter's Dementors...

LINK

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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16.1.2  Raven Wing   replied to  Dowser @16.1.1    9 years ago

I agree. But, like those before them who tried their best to bring NT to the dark side of cyber space, they will not last long. The will of the good here is too strong for them to bend, and they will soon either leave on their own for better hunting grounds on the dark side of the ether world, or be banished. 

 
 

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