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The Left Is Reaping the Whirlwind of the Culture They Made

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  8 years ago  •  260 comments

The Left Is Reaping the Whirlwind of the Culture They Made

"For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." Hosea 7:8
It was after a school shooting near Spokane last September that Spokane Sheriff Ozzie Knezovich addressed a clutch of reporters:

When I was in high school, every one of those rigs in the high school parking lot had a gun in the gun rack. Why? We went hunting on the way home. None of those guns ever walked into a school, none of those guns ever shot anybody... Did the gun change or did you as a society change? I'll give you odds it was you as a society. Because you started glorifying cultures of violence. You glorified the gang culture, you glorified games that actually gave you points for raping and killing people. The gun didn't change, we changed.
It seems clear to me the sheriff was speaking about rap music with its hateful, violent and misogynistic lyrics, and video games like Grand Theft Auto, where you can have sex with a prostitute then strangle her or pull an innocent person out of a car, beat him, then steal his vehicle.

I am a First Amendment purist and don't want to see expression censored in any way. And I don't argue that there's a straight line between any specific cultural creation and bad acts. But surely, a culture in which those in authority approve of and argue for things like gangsta rap and GTA — and indeed for the use of violence to silence speech that offends them — well, such a culture becomes a machine for transforming madness into murder.

It reminds me of some wisdom from another two sheriffs, the fictional sheriffs from the Coen Brothers movie of Cormac McCarthy's novel No Country for Old Men discussing the mindless violence that has taken over society.

"Once you stop hearing 'sir' and 'ma'am' the rest is soon to follow," says one.
"It's the tide, the dismal tide," says the other. "It's not the one thing."

The left wants to defend gangstas and "transgressive" art and antifa thugs — but when the shooting starts, they blame the guns.

The left wants to get rid of feminine modesty and masculine protectiveness and social restrictions on sex — but when the abuse and rape and harassment rise to the surface, they start whining about toxic manhood. Perhaps they should have listened to the Catholic apologist G.K. Chesterton, who wrote about the difference between reforming society and deforming it — a passage that was neatly paraphrased by John F. Kennedy: "Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up."

Now the left wants to legitimize disrespect for the flag and for Christianity. They want to ignore the rule of law at the border and silence protests against Islamic ideas that are antithetical to every good thing the west stands for. They should look to Europe where all that's been accomplished. And now, when European women are molested in the public square, the gormless authorities advise them to behave more modestly lest immigrants get the wrong idea. When Islamic knives come out and Islamic bombs go off, the police rush to harass — who? Those who question the dictates of the Koran.

The left wants us to reel in shock that Donald Trump chased women or praised Russian strong men? Who was it who defended the infidelities and possible rapes of Bill Clinton? Who was it who turned a blind eye to Barack Obama consorting with terrorists and hate-mongers like Farrakhan?

For fifteen years and more, I have been complaining that the right is silenced in our culture — blacklisted and excluded and ignored in entertainment, mainstream news outlets, and the universities. But the flip side of that is this: the degradation of our culture is almost entirely a leftist achievement. Over the last fifty years, it's the left that has assaulted every moral norm and disdained every religious and cultural restraint.

The left owns the dismal tide. They don't like the results? They're looking for someone or something to blame? Maybe they should start by hunting up a mirror.    https://pjmedia.com/andrewklavan/left-reaping-whirlwind-culture-made/


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The Magic 8 Ball
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2  The Magic 8 Ball    8 years ago

the progressive left is losing influence rapidly.

their anti american bs under the guise of being patriots has been fully exposed

traffic to leftwing sites has fallen off a cliff and still heading south

they will not be making a comeback until they support secure borders, sovereign country and fair trade deals.

in other words...  when the dems kicks the progressive socialists/communists from their party they will be electable again.  knowing the left, it will be a decade until they figure that out.

Cheers :)

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2    8 years ago

the progressive left losing power looks like this...

funny how all those traffic patterns look the same. (going down fast)

meanwhile?

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/drudgereport.com 

 again... very similar traffic patterns  (going up)

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and 7 million democrats / obama voters straight abandoned their party on election day

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the democrat party will have to  have their own version of a tea party take over or continued irrelevance be thy name

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to    8 years ago
America turns against them ... fast.

the result was 7 million obama voters who voted trump. 

because yes, some on the left support secure borders, fair trade deals, low taxes, and such. but those are not progressives and they will not return to the progressive leftwing fold. that split is permanent while progressives remain in control of the dnc

more mayberry / less fallujah  :)

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.6  epistte  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1    8 years ago
the progressive left losing power looks like this...

I'm about as far left as is possible, a democratic socialist, a Bernie voter and I don't read any of those sites.  I don't like Arriana Huffington and Daily Kos are partisan Democrats.  I don't need a website to tell me what to believe and how to vote. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  epistte @2.1.6    8 years ago

Yes, epistte, it's best that you DON'T read any opinions save for those certified to meet your personal beliefs.

A few days ago I read in a posted article this particular sentence:

"This kind of civil discourse is obviously important at law schools like mine, because law schools are dedicated to teaching students how to think about and argue all sides of a question."

On my first day in law school, we were addressed first by the Dean, whose first words were:

"Each one of you, look to your left, then look to your right. Only ONE of you will graduate this course. (He planted the challenge.)"

The second thing he said was:

"The first thing you are going to have to learn is that there are at least two sides to every story, and you are going to have to understand and be able to argue your opponent's side just as well, if not better, than the argument for your side. What you may discover is that your opponent's side may be even more convincing than yours, but of course you have no choice but to represent your client competently."

So the sentence I read in the posted NT article was already familiar to me, but I felt it was very unfamiliar to many of the members who are absolutely and irretrievably convinced that they themselves are right and the "other side" HAS to be wrong. Well wake up. Folk singer Joni Mitchell is smarter than that, and I know she never went to law school. She composed this in the early 1960s:

The failing of those so dedicated to THEIR side of the story is that they remain only 2-dimensional, and will never allow themselves to see the total picture of anything.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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2.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.8    8 years ago
One can play devil’s advocate but one is still advocating for the devil.

Yet where would we be with no one challenging conventional wisdom? We'd still be the center of the universe, and flat to many, so would we ever have made it to the moon? I doubt it. Progressives move us forward, conservatives hold us back, like a seat belt, which can be good at times but is still far too restricting. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.11  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.8    8 years ago

How can anyone be sure about what is right, when they have no idea what is wrong?  Both sides now, as Joni sang.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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2.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @2.1.9    8 years ago

Progressives move forward, perhaps, but what happens when one moves too far forward, too fast - then that seat belt can save their life.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.5    8 years ago

Has it ever occurred to you that some of us, even conservatives, don't want to live in a country ruled by fear and anger? That we don't want a theocratic state where only the privileged have any rights at all?

I think that is what some of you are pushing for. The days of Mayberry are over and they are not coming back

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.14  Michael_Knight  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.2    8 years ago
voters who voted trump.

Lets not forget this started 4 years before the election of Trump. Obama made history by losing millions upon millions of voters his second time around. 

You could start to see a shift in the way America wanted to go then.  Also another shift is when he lost Congress.. His famous words.. I am not on this ballot, but make no mistake, my policies are...  and guess what .. America spoke LOUDLY.. Not once, not twice, but three times...   Congress, his second election, and the 2016 Presidential election of Trump and the thumping of Hillary.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.15  Michael_Knight  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.13    8 years ago
That we don't want a theocratic state where only the privileged have any rights at all?

We are no where even remotely close to such a thing. Even if the Bible were being taught again like it used to be in our schools since the beginning of the nation until more recently in the past century, we still were never a theocratic anything...

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.16  Skrekk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.15    8 years ago
Even if the Bible were being taught again like it used to be in our schools since the beginning of the nation until more recently in the past century, we still were never a theocratic anything...

Actually we're still ridding our legal system of the theocratic crap your ilk keeps enacting.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.17  Michael_Knight  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.16    8 years ago
Actually we're still ridding our legal system of the theocratic crap your ilk keeps enacting.

Oh yes, the ilk word...Its too bad you and YOUR ilk are incapable of being rational and know truth and facts. There has been nothing theocratic about this nation ..  and incase you havent looked this nation of Christian people has been falling apart because of YOUR ilk who are so hostile toward Christians taking away a guiding light for our kids. So reap the chaotic america we live in today, reap kids not respecting each other, and killing each other.. reap people being assholes to each other... that is the America you want.. skirting the CoC [ph]

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.18  Skrekk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.17    8 years ago
There has been nothing theocratic about this nation

That's an obviously false claim give this country's long history of anti-gay laws, anti-miscegenation and Jim Crow laws, coverture laws, blasphemy laws, blue laws, laws prohibiting atheists from running for public office, and even laws mandating the teaching of Cretinism and other Christian superstitions in our public schools.   None of those laws ever had any legitimate secular purpose and they were all deeply rooted in Christian superstitions.

Society advances every time your ilk loses.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.19  devangelical  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.17    8 years ago

Sounds like you think the US has become a shithole because of non-xtians. Bullshit. We're not a xtian nation and never will be.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.20  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.8    8 years ago
One can play devil’s advocate but one is still advocating for the devil.

ummmm no... LOL

playing devils advocate is merely taking the other side of an argument and in no way assigns credibility to either side of the argument.

however when it comes to compromise?

  no deal with the devil is the best deal you can get.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.22  Michael_Knight  replied to  devangelical @2.1.19    8 years ago
Sounds like you think the US has become a shithole because of non-xtians. Bullshit. We're not a xtian nation and never will be.

Skirting the CoC [ph]

nation definition- a large aggregate of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory.

Nation and Government are not the same thing. Our Federal Government = secular.  Our nation = Christian as long as the majority are Christian and it remains a common descent, history, culture.. etc..

And before you go off on a tangent about Treaty of Tripoli, it doesnt matter. Article 11 when read in full context, makes those words the left likes to use so much null.. Also Treaty of Tripoli that did say those words, is null and void by the following treaty of tripoli that came out a couple years later.  Also those words were not said by anyone in our nation, it was a treaty written by the Muslims who hated the US, and killed our men and destroyed our ships over off the Barbary coast.  There are many other instances said by our government people stating it is a Christian nation.

You can say not a Christian Federal Government. I am fine with that. I dont want our Government to decide which religion, but as for this nation as a whole, it is a Christian nation.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.23  Michael_Knight  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.13    8 years ago
Has it ever occurred to you that some of us, even conservatives, don't want to live in a country ruled by fear and anger? That we don't want a theocratic state where only the privileged have any rights at all?

Then why dont you leave this nation and all that hate, fear and anger would leave along with you, and the rest of the left wing intolerant most hating people I have ever seen .

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.24  Michael_Knight  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.18    8 years ago

That's an obviously false claim give this country's long history of anti-gay laws, anti-miscegenation and Jim Crow laws, coverture laws, blasphemy laws, blue laws, laws prohibiting atheists from running for public office, and even laws mandating the teaching of Cretinism and other Christian superstitions in our public schools.   None of those laws ever had any legitimate secular purpose and they were all deeply rooted in Christian superstitions.

Society advances every time your ilk loses.

No, it was the intolerant left democratic liberal ilk and their slime that was in support Jim Crow laws. You can thank the GOP once again bring this nation out of a dark evil place and once again into a beautiful light, by running the hateful Democratic Jim crow people out.

You may not accept it, but its the truth. Its hard to swallow, but normally a truth pill is pretty big when it comes to the Leftist mindset. They have small heads with small throats, and swallowing the pill of truth chokes them every time.

The majority of the ACRU study focuses on the horror of Jim Crow, which at its core was a system of state-enforced laws that relegated blacks to inferior status. When police enforcement wasn’t enough, lynchings were used to keep Jim Crow in place. At least 3,500 blacks were lynched during the Jim Crow years, and people were murdered right up through the mid 1960s.

But the political enforcement of Jim Crow was entirely in Democratic hands. The Ku Klux Klan functioned as the paramilitary wing of the Democratic party, and it was used to drive Republicans out of the South after the Civil War. Before he took up the cause of civil rights as president, Lyndon Johnson acting as Senate majority leader blocked the GOP’s 1956 civil-rights bill, and gutted Eisenhower’s 1957 Civil Rights Act. Democratic senators filibustered the GOP’s 1960 Civil Rights Act.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.25  devangelical  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.23    8 years ago

Thumpers ain't seen nothin' yet.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.1.26  devangelical  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.22    8 years ago

I don't gaf about how ignorant and gullible teavangelicals are. I choose not to be. Your screed neglects to mention how the southern dixiecrats switched to the republican party after the civil rights bill was passed. Get off that cross before it catches fire.

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.27  Kavika   replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.23    8 years ago
Then why dont you leave this nation and all that hate, fear and anger would leave along with you, and the rest of the left wing intolerant most hating people I have ever seen .

You should look in a mirror.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.29  Skrekk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.24    8 years ago
No, it was the intolerant left democratic liberal ilk and their slime that was in support Jim Crow laws.

LOL.   The only thing that's changed about southern conservatives and southern bible-babblers in the past 150 years is their party affiliation.    Otherwise they're the same dumb bigots they always were.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.30  Michael_Knight  replied to  devangelical @2.1.26    8 years ago
I don't gaf about how ignorant and gullible teavangelicals are. I choose not to be. Your screed neglects to mention how the southern dixiecrats switched to the republican party after the civil rights bill was passed. Get off that cross before it catches fire.

Sorry, only one person changed sides. I am ready to debunk your party switch BS anytime sweetheart. 

Who has ever heard of parties just swapping sides and beliefs.. That is the most ridiculous thing ever thought of.  But then again it comes from leftist views, liberal false history , that teaches BS, distorts truth.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.31  Michael_Knight  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.29    8 years ago

You are so wrong Shrekk, like usual, I will have to give you all a history lesson and keep awake you might actually learn something.

The Left loves to smear the Right with cries of racism, but when the Right points out that it's the Democrats who are the party of slavery, segregation and Jim Crow, the Left always reverts to the claim that both parties "switched" following the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and uses the fact that the South is now consistently won by Republicans somehow as "proof."

The South is now a Republican voting bloc — but not because of the mythical party switch.

Vanderbilt University Professor Carol Swain explains in PragerU's latest video that there are three myths behind the myth that both parties switched after the Civil Rights Act passed.

The first myth is that the Republican Party only began to win the South when they started to pander to Southern white racists in the 1960s, when in fact Republican presidents Herbert Hoover and Dwight Eisenhower won Southern states prior to the 1960s. And, just as a reminder, the Republican Eisenhower is known for sending the 101st Airborne Division to Little Rock, Arkansas, to uphold the Supreme Court's decision to de-segregate schools, against pushback from Democrats. The truth is Republicans were able to win over many Southern voters prior to the '60s without "pandering to racists."

The second myth is that segregationist Democrats bolted to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act was passed. In actuality, 20 of the 21 Democrats who voted against the Civil Rights Act remained Democrats and their seats remained in Democratic hands for over 20 years. (PragerU breaks down all the specifics in the "Facts and Sources" section .)

The third myth is that the Republican Party has maintained a stronghold on the South with their use of the so-called "Southern Strategy."

"Richard Nixon, the man who is often credited with creating the Southern Strategy, lost the Deep South in 1968," said Swain. "In contrast, Democrat Jimmy Carter nearly swept the region in 1976 — 12 years after the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And in 1992, over 28 years later, Democrat Bill Clinton won Georgia, Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, Kentucky and West Virginia."

Swain added, "The truth is, Republicans didn't hold a majority of southern congressional seats until 1994, 30 years after the Civil Rights Act."

Rather than the offensive allegation in the Democrats' convenient, racially-charged narrative, the Republican stronghold in the South today is grounded in the fact that over time, racism has dissipated in the South while conservative values have gained more and more traction.

"In short, history has moved on," said Swain. "Like other regions of the country, the South votes values, not skin color. The myth of the Southern Strategy is just the Democrats’ excuse for losing the South, and yet another way to smear Republicans with the label 'racist.'"

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.32  Skrekk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.31    8 years ago

So in other words conservative southerners are the same bigoted bible-babblers they've always been but the GOP is now their true home today.......as David Duke and his KKK buddies realized when they gleefully endorsed Trump.

By the way one of the leaders at CPAC said that the only reason Michael Steele was hired as RNC chairman was because he's black.    I suspect that's quite true.    No wonder there are so very few black Republicans today.   Steele must be quite embarrassed that he's surrounded by a party of white supremacist morons.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.1.33  epistte  replied to  Skrekk @2.1.32    8 years ago

Michael Steele only lasted at the GOP until the TEAbags gained control of the party after the 2010 midterms.

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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2.1.34  A. Macarthur  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.17    8 years ago

Its too bad you and YOUR ilk are incapable of being rational and know truth and facts. There has been nothing theocratic about this nation ..  and incase you havent looked this nation of Christian people has been falling apart because of YOUR ilk w

Here's some facts; enjoy them lovers of rationality, truth and facts.

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Ahhh, Christianity in America. Or should I say, the single greatest cause of atheism today. You know who I’m talking about, right? The type of people who acknowledge Jesus with their words, and deny him through their lifestyle. The ones who preach the importance of traditional family values, all while holding a rally and offering standing ovations for a man who preyed on 14-year-old girls. The ones who look to excuse the despicable allegations directed at Roy Moore by literally quoting the bible, comparing his molestation to Joseph and Mary. I give you the most hypocritical religious group in America, Evangelical Christians.

First of all, for the record, I grew up Catholic in Scotland. I went to church, and greatly respected the community in which I was raised. I truly believe that religion can help instill wisdom, guidance and a sense of belief when all else seems hopeless. So I get it... to an extent. But what I have never understood is why someone feels the need to impose their beliefs on another. Especially in America. Especially with regard to evangelical Christians. Aside from preaching anti-LGBT rhetoric and abstinence to the world, evangelical Christians have proudly touted themselves as righteous do-gooders doing the Lord’s work. Until you insert politics into the mix. Then “the Lords’” work means about as much to them as consent means to Donald Trump.

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USATODAY.COM

In 2016, 72 percent of evangelicals reported that immoral leaders could still govern ethically, which was validated when 81 percent of white evangelicals who voted last year cast their ballot for Donald Trump. They were happy to shelve their morality in order to justify electing a thrice-married, casino mogul who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy and rarely goes to church ― but yeah, thanks Jesus. And now they’re ratcheting up the hypocrisy even further with the stern defense of alleged child molester Roy Moore.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.1.36  Trout Giggles  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.23    8 years ago

Your comment makes 0 sense

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
2.1.37  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.36    8 years ago

He'll fall off his cross, take his bible and go home by the end of the week. Then come back a couple months later with a new cross.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.38  Michael_Knight  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.1.36    8 years ago
Your comment makes 0 sense

Good, that means its the truth because the leftist mindset cant comprehend it :D

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
2.1.39  Trout Giggles  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.38    8 years ago

Please go back and read what you responded to. Then maybe you'll see why I said you make 0 sense.

I'm not the one who lets fear and anger guide me....

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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2.1.40  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.31    8 years ago
You are so wrong Shrekk, like usual, I will have to give you all a history lesson and keep awake you might actually learn something.

I'm sorry dear, but when one begins a post with such obvious grammatical errors, especially while boasting about giving everyone a history lesson, one tends to lose credibility before the next sentence is read.  

 
 
 
DRHunk
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2.1.41  DRHunk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.24    8 years ago

So what is the republican parties excuse today whom the KKK and other racists, narrow minded individuals, and homophobes are now full members of and elected officials of.  Should there not be a full effort to kick them out and let them create their own 3rd party. So the Republicans can continue their fight against inequality.

The answer is no, the Republicans need their votes and will not do anything to upset them. Bought and paid for. 

I think that the real difference between the right and left is one is will sell their soul and their beliefs to the highest bidder (aka Trump) whereas the other polices its own and is willing to cast out the bad apples when they are discovered.  (for the most part)

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.42  Michael_Knight  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @2.1.40    8 years ago
I'm sorry dear, but when one begins a post with such obvious grammatical errors, especially while boasting about giving everyone a history lesson, one tends to lose credibility before the next sentence is read.

AWESOME A Grammar Nazi.. I didnt know they still existed.. Check it... Is this you ?

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.43  Michael_Knight  replied to  DRHunk @2.1.41    8 years ago
I think that the real difference between the right and left is one is will sell their soul and their beliefs to the highest bidder (aka Trump) whereas the other polices its own and is willing to cast out the bad apples when they are discovered.

I would say one side , the Republicans, are the ones who are realistic, use logic and think long term about cause and effect. ,  while Democrats are more idealistic, use feelings, and think about the here and now more than long term future.

 
 
 
DRHunk
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2.1.44  DRHunk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.1.43    8 years ago

i see it exactly opposite, there is nothing long term about a majority of the policies republicans support Tax cuts and corporate pandering (short term). Dems policies revolve around securing the future of ALL people and the environment (long term) policies

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.1.46  Michael_Knight  replied to  DRHunk @2.1.44    8 years ago
i see it exactly opposite, there is nothing long term about a majority of the policies republicans support Tax cuts and corporate pandering (short term). Dems policies revolve around securing the future of ALL people and the environment (long term) policies

But see your being specific, focusing on just 1 or a couple things.. I am talking about Ideologies over all how the two views compare. 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2  epistte  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2    8 years ago
they will not be making a comeback until they support secure borders, sovereign country and fair trade deals.

Is this the reason why a House of Reps seat in Kentucky that voted overwhelming for Trump just went to a Democrat by a wide margin? 

Kentucky Democrats  on Tuesday  reclaimed a rural district in the state House of Representatives that went heavily for President Trump in 2016.

Linda Belcher (D), a former state legislator who lost her seat in the Trump landslide in Kentucky, reclaimed the Bullitt County district by a more than two-to-one margin, defeating  her GOP opponent Rebecca Johnson 68 percent to 32 percent.

The Democrat had lost her seat in 2016 by just 150 votes, or less than 1 percentage point, even as Trump carried the district with 72 percent of the vote there compared to Hillary Clinton 's 23 percent. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) also won the district in 2016 with 64 percent of the vote.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.2  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @2.2.1    8 years ago

It's already starting. And how many repubs are resigning/retiring from congress before the 2018 elections? 35? 40? Alabama? Did you forget that? Trump is an anchor made of lead for main stream republicans and they know it. 2018 will in all likelihood, be an EPIC beating for the right wing. 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.2.4  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.2    8 years ago
2018 will in all likelihood, be an EPIC beating for the right wing.

LOL

that is funny stuff  :)

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.2.10  Michael_Knight  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.6    8 years ago

dont forget independents are supporting the GOP more right now than the Democrats. 

I dont doubt that the dems will finally win again.. it depends on how many illegal people they can get into the country and get illegal votes..

Eventually if we keep letting the left get their way, it will be too late to ever get sane people back in congress and the white house.

If it ever comes to that where the GOP can never win again, its time to get out of the USA and find a more conservative country.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.2.11  Skrekk  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.2.10    8 years ago
If it ever comes to that where the GOP can never win again, its time to get out of the USA and find a more conservative country.

You could always move to Russia.    They seem to support your values more closely than our secular constitution does.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.2.12  Michael_Knight  replied to  Skrekk @2.2.11    8 years ago
You could always move to Russia.    They seem to support your values more closely than our secular constitution does.

Naw, I think I will stay here and keep electing Bible believing God fearing people in office who aren't afraid to express it in office, and who put people on the bench who will actually follow the Constitution and what it says. Not the BS words you make up trying to change it.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.13  epistte  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.2.12    8 years ago
Naw, I think I will stay here and keep electing Bible believing God fearing people in office who aren't afraid to express it in office, and who put people on the bench who will actually follow the Constitution and what it says. Not the BS words you make up trying to change it.

The Bible or your God are not part of the US Constitution, despite your claims.

These are the words of Thomas Jefferson, about the false claim of the US being a Christian nation. 

Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.2.14  Michael_Knight  replied to  epistte @2.2.13    8 years ago
These are the words of Thomas Jefferson, about the false claim of the US being a Christian nation.

Yes I seen your quote there, but I think there is much more too it.  I was just reading something interesting about it in this book I found .

Religious Scandals

Chapter 5

It has the quote you said, but then it goes on to talk about , but as Jeffersons words suggest, the idea of protecting those who were not Christian troubling.

Many people felt Jefferson and Madison view scandalous. 

To them the First Amendment meant simply that the federal government could not favor one Christian denomination over another. Their country was and was forever meant to be a Christian nation, and for over 150 years the Courts agreed.

I am going to have to read this book in its entirety, sounds more realistic.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.15  epistte  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.2.14    8 years ago
To them the First Amendment meant simply that the federal government could not favor one Christian denomination over another. Their country was and was forever meant to be a Christian nation, and for over 150 years the Courts agreed.

There is no evidence by the SCOTUS that the US is a Christian nation or that our laws out founded on Biblical ideas.  The Abrahamic God, Jesus or Christ are not found anywhere in US law.

Reynolds v. US

Engle v. Vitale

Everson v. Board of Ed.

Abington v. Schempp

Lemon v. Kurtzman

Christians have the very same constitutional rights to worship as they choose and to believe in god but they do not have the right to use their religious belief to trample the religious rights of others or to weaponize the state so that others must live by their religious beliefs. Why is it that conservative Charians in the US are horrified at the prospect of Islamic Sharia law in the US but seek to legislate their own conservative religious views in the very same way? If Sharia law is wrong then so is Christian law.  Anything else reeks of religious hypocrisy.

Jefferson was not a member of any orthodox Christian religion and Madison, while likely being a Presbertarian, was a strong believer in the strict separation of church and state as witnessed by the essay Memorial and Remonstrance against Religious Assessments. Read paragraphs 1-11.  Jefferson wrote the Virginia state for religious freedoms during his time in the Virginia state legislature. There is no evidence that even suggests that the US was created on Biblical ideas or that religious rights in the US are given more toward Charians than other religious or those who are not believers. David Barton and others are lying to you so stop reading that dominionist idiocy.

You are correct that Jefferson was accused of being a heretic when he ran for POTUS.

Do you expect others to ignore the fact that you cannot prove that your god exists to people who refuse to take part in your religious self-delusion of blind faith and belief? The Bible is the obvious work of an ignorant group of bronze age men seeking to enforce patriarchal ideas. 

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.17  epistte  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.16    8 years ago
The USA government is officially secular but that doesn’t mean we can’t elect people who think and believe as we do to fill those positions and act on our behalf.

Those politicians cannot pass laws that support one religion over another or endorse religious belief over non-belief.  That is why we have the concept of judicial review to keep both the legislative and executive body in check for the protection of the rights of all people and not just the majority or the politically powerful.

Why is it that conservatives claim that they have read and understood the US Constitution but in practice, their knowledge of civics wouldn't allow them to pass a  high school civics midterm or the US citizenship exam? 

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.2.18  Michael_Knight  replied to  epistte @2.2.17    8 years ago

Those politicians cannot pass laws that support one religion over another or endorse religious belief over non-belief.  That is why we have the concept of judicial review to keep both the legislative and executive body in check for the protection of the rights of all people and not just the majority or the politically powerful.

Why is it that conservatives claim that they have read and understood the US Constitution but in practice, their knowledge of civics wouldn't allow them to pass a  high school civics midterm or the US citizenship exam? 

And remember the Judicial branch is the weakest branch of Government.  Our fathers intended for it to be that way because they knew how dangerous a few select judges could be to this nation.

Also SCOTUS can have their rulings overturned if enough states agree to an amendment change.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.19  epistte  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.2.18    8 years ago

Why is it that conservatives are so uninformed on basic constitutional ideas?

The judicial is not the weakest. It is the slowest and the most reactive branch, but it has the very same power as the legislative and executive. It can only be that way if we have 3 equal branches as a check and balance to the other two. 

The SCOTUS is just a small part of the judicial branch of the federal government. Those judges are appointed for life for a very good reason., If they were elected and had to be re-elected on a regular basis then they would not be able to make the constitutionally correct but unpopular decisions that they are required to do. 

Do you understand the Marbury v. Madison decision?

It is very difficult to pass a constitutional amendment because of the number of states involved.

 
 
 
Michael_Knight
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2.2.20  Michael_Knight  replied to  epistte @2.2.19    8 years ago

It is the weakest because it cant make laws or change laws. It is only a check..  The fact the the other two branches can bypass the Judicial court shows that the other two are stronger.  As I said they can bypass the court by getting the states and the president to pass an amendment..   Think about Dred Scott.  SCOTUS was trumped by an amendment. Their ruling becomes invalid.  It is a passive branch of government.  It has no power of sword nor money. It can only decide if laws are constitutional or not and even then not all the judges agree on matters.

Many of our founding fathers recognized it as the weakest branch. But they see it as weak because it can only judge, not legislate law and enforce them.  So in essence SCOTUS  has limited powers on what it can do, and it can be bypassed by Congress / States super majority, and the President making Amendments.

 
 
 
epistte
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2.2.21  epistte  replied to  Michael_Knight @2.2.20    8 years ago
Many of our founding fathers recognized it as the weakest branch. But they see it as weak because it can only judge, not legislate law and enforce them. It is the weakest because it cant make laws or change laws. It is only a check..  The fact the the other two branches can bypass the Judicial court shows that the other two are stronger. 

The SCOTUS can change laws when they can rule a law unconstitutional. The legislative or executive cannot bypass the judicial without committing a crime. Those decisions are laws unto themselves and cannot be ignored by the other 2 branches. They are also very difficult to overturn.

As I said they can bypass the court by getting the states and the president to pass an amendment..   Think about Dred Scott.  SCOTUS was trumped by an amendment. Their ruling becomes invalid.  It is a passive branch of government.  It has no power of sword nor money. It can only decide if laws are constitutional or not and even then not all the judges agree on matters.

Dredd Scott was a horrific decision that led directly to the Civil War. It might be their worst decision.

It is irrelevant if a decision is unanimous. The Supreme Court only needs a majority.  You are very uninformed about the government and the Constitution. The POTUS does not write Amendments.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3  Dismayed Patriot    8 years ago

"Now the left wants to legitimize disrespect for the flag and for Christianity." Total nonsense. Taking a knee during the anthem isn't disrespecting the flag and pointing out Christianity is just another religion with the same rights as any other faith such as Islam isn't disrespecting them.

"They want to ignore the rule of law at the border and silence protests against Islamic ideas that are antithetical to every good thing the west stands for." More nonsense. If you refuse to accept religious freedom you reject one of the cores of our secular constitution.

"They should look to Europe where all that's been accomplished." Where? Europe is not one unified behemoth that's rejected Christianity and embraced Islam. Quite the contrary.

"And now, when European women are molested in the public square, the gormless authorities advise them to behave more modestly lest immigrants get the wrong idea." Total BS, the extremists are tracked down, arrested and brought to justice.

"When Islamic knives come out and Islamic bombs go off, the police rush to harass — who? Those who question the dictates of the Koran." Again, just a bunch of fact-less hyperbole. When extremists attack they are hunted down no matter where they are hiding.

This author is trying to distract from the responsibility of gun owners by claiming people are just more violent today because of video games and "gangsta rap". What utter ignorance, what shameless deflection. To them the culture that has brought us 300,000,000 guns has nothing to do with the mass shootings, it must be the music and video games.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4  bbl-1    8 years ago

Conservatism has no memory, honor or soul.  This is why it fear liberalism so much.

 
 
 
Randy
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4.1  Randy  replied to  bbl-1 @4    8 years ago

Conservatives are only comfortable with the status quo or even the past. Progressives want to move forward, to progress. Conservatives are terrified of the future. They want Sheriff Taylor and Aunt Bea and Ozzie and Harriet and Father Knows Best, etc. They want to back to a B/W TV world. They want to go back small towns like Mayberry where there were no Black people or Hispanic people or Gay people or Native Americans that never really existed outside of a back-lot at Desilu Studios.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5  Vic Eldred    8 years ago

Thank you Andrew for telling it like it is.

The usual response for liberals who hate hearing it like it is. Liberalism is the ideology of race, retribution, victimology and hate.

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5    8 years ago
Liberalism is the ideology of race, retribution, victimology and hate.

Tea Party Conservatism is an ideology of nationalism, authoritarianism, cronyism, hypocrisy, dirty dealing and hate. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.2    8 years ago

Is that why the IRS disabled the "Tea Party" before the 2012 election?

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.3  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    8 years ago
Is that why the IRS disabled the "Tea Party" before the 2012 election?

It must not have worked there snowflaking everywhere online.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.2.4  Vic Eldred  replied to  evilone @5.2.3    8 years ago

It worked very well. Obama got a second term

 
 
 
evilone
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5.2.5  evilone  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.4    8 years ago

Sure, the IRS who never closed down any Tea Party group is responsible for the second term of Obama. s/ Did they have secret meetings with the FBI in the basement of the pizza restaurant that was selling baby parts to fund his re-election?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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5.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  evilone @5.2.5    8 years ago
Did they have secret meetings with the FBI in the basement of the pizza restaurant that was selling baby parts to fund his re-election?

The best part of that is that the pizza parlor in question didn't even have a basement. And those retards STILL bought it. 

 
 
 
Unchained
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5.2.8  Unchained  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.2.1    8 years ago

The IRS targeted Liberal groups as well.  The notion that they only went after Conservative groups has been thoroughly debunked.

 
 
 
Randy
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6  Randy    8 years ago

The best part of that is that the pizza parlor in question didn't even have a basement. And those retards STILL bought it.

Proving you can fool about 30 some percent of fools most of the time...and one of the idiots actually showed up and shot up the place! To quote the great Bugs Bunny "What a maroon!" He's going to prison because of a completely ignorant conspiracy theory that anyone with an I.Q. above double digits could have seen through!

 
 
 
MrFrost
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6.1  MrFrost  replied to  Randy @6    8 years ago

It shocks me really....people like that will believe some outlandish story like that, that no sane person would believe, (considering the source), but these same people REFUSE to believe, even with the mountains of proof, that Russia tried to influence our elections. It truly is astonishing that people like that really live in this country. I would say they have the IQ of a turnip, but turnips....are much smarter. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2  Skrekk  replied to  Randy @6    8 years ago

The frightening part is that some of those gullible folks who fall for all these right wing myths are in the Trump regime, or were in key positions.    Mike Flynn would have been national security adviser, and Trump believes everything he hears on Fox.

 
 
 
Randy
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6.2.1  Randy  replied to  Skrekk @6.2    8 years ago

I know. I drop in on Hanniety once in awhile and I can not believe the obvious lies he tells? Now granted he says he is an advocate and not a news man, but still!

Oh and Alex Jones is pushing the idea that the school shooting last week was all an act, just like he said that Sandy Hook was a fake too.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Randy @6.2.1    8 years ago

Remember the nutty right wing professor in Florida who was fired because he was moonlighting as a "Sandy Hook Truther" and harassing the families of murdered kids?    I wonder what ever happened to that moron.    Where is he now that the gun huggers need him?    Or maybe he's already working for Alex Jones.....

 
 
 
Randy
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6.2.3  Randy  replied to  Skrekk @6.2.2    8 years ago

It just blows my mind that there are actually people who believe that shit. I put them on the same level as people who believe that the Earth is flat, except that they are despicable in the pain that they cause people who lost their children that day.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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8  Thrawn 31    8 years ago

The posts here are exactly why I have given up on the US. The population is, honestly, just too fucking stupid for a functional democracy to survive. Virtually no one posting here knows what the "isms" they are using actually mean. We will descend into an autocracy, and of course it will be the ones who demonize liberalism who will lead the way. Not because they actually hate liberalism but because they are fucking retards and have no idea what it is.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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8.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    8 years ago
they actually hate liberalism but because they are fucking retards and have no idea what it is.

we know what liberalism was and what it has become  which is why the left has lost so much power over such a short time/

just curious here... what is it like to have your arse handed to ya by retards?

 
 
 
Unchained
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9  Unchained    8 years ago

If Conservatives had their way:

We'd continue to live under the British monarchy.  The Loyalists were conservative.

Slavery would continue to exist.  The Confederacy was conservative.

Workers would continue to work in sweatshop conditions.  Conservatives opposed workers' rights.

Jim Crow laws would still be in place.  Conservatives implemented and supported them.

Any many more.  Conservatives have almost always been on the wrong side of history.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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9.1  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Unchained @9    8 years ago

awesome reply...

except for the part where everything you said is complete BS

Historian Eric Foner observed: "In effect, the Klan was a military force serving the interests of the Democratic party , the planter class, and all those who desired restoration of white supremacy. Its purposes were political, but political in the broadest sense, for it sought to affect power relations, both public and private, throughout Southern society. It aimed to reverse the interlocking changes sweeping over the South during Reconstruction: to destroy the Republican party's infrastructure, undermine the Reconstruction state, reestablish control of the black labor force, and restore racial subordination in every aspect of Southern life. [61] To that end they worked to curb the education, economic advancement, voting rights , and right to keep and bear arms of blacks. [61] The Klan soon spread into nearly every southern state, launching a "reign of terror against Republican leaders both black and white.

In 1871, President Ulysses S. Grant (republican) signed Butler's legislation. The Ku Klux Klan Act and the Enforcement Act of 1870 were used by the federal government to enforce the civil rights provisions for individuals under the constitution.

Jim Crow laws were state and local laws that enforced racial segregation in the Southern United States . Enacted by white Democratic -dominated state legislatures in the late 19th century after the Reconstruction period , these laws continued to be enforced until 1965.

 

 

 
 
 
Unchained
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9.1.1  Unchained  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @9.1    8 years ago

At the time of the things you posted, those were done by Conservatives, who were in the Democratic party.

Throughout the Civil Rights era and especially the Southern Strategy, the parties essentially switched (particularly in regard to the Dixiecrats) to what they are today.

 
 

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