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Ben Carson Removes Anti-Discrimination Language From HUD Mission Statement

  

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Via:  jwc2blue  •  8 years ago  •  239 comments

Ben Carson Removes Anti-Discrimination Language From HUD Mission Statement

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hud-mission-statement_us_5a9f5db0e4b002df2c5ec617

It will no longer reference “inclusive” communities “free from discrimination.”

WASHINGTON ― Housing and Urban Development Secretary Ben Carson is changing the mission statement of his agency, removing promises of inclusive and discrimination-free communities.


In a March 5 memo addressed to HUD political staff, Amy Thompson, the department’s assistant secretary for public affairs, explained that the statement is being updated “in an effort to align HUD’s mission with the Secretary’s priorities and that of the Administration.”


The new mission statement reads: 


HUD’s mission is to ensure Americans have access to fair, affordable housing and opportunities to achieve self-sufficiency, thereby strengthening our communities and nation. 

“An organization’s mission is never static,” Thompson wrote in the memo, which was shared with HuffPost by a HUD employee. “A mission statement describes an organization’s purpose, what it intends to do, and whom it intends to serve. Most importantly, an organization’s activities must be embodied in its mission.”


She said the mission statement had been developed with input from both Carson and his deputy. It’s not clear whether the new language is final. Thompson asked the political staff to send along any “comments or suggestions.”


The Carson mission statement is quite different from the current one, which is still up on HUD’s website . That one promises “strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.” It also says these communities will be “free from discrimination”:


HUD’s mission is to create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all. HUD is working to strengthen the housing market to bolster the economy and protect consumers; meet the need for quality affordable rental homes; utilize housing as a platform for improving quality of life; build inclusive and sustainable communities free from discrimination, and transform the way HUD does business.

HUD did not immediately return a request for comment on the change. 


HUD is not the only federal agency changing its mission under President Donald Trump. The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services director recently informed employees that it was removing the phrase “ America’s promise as a nation of immigrants ” from its mission statement. 


Are you at a federal agency that is changing its mission statement as well? Email us at scoops@huffpost.com . 


Under President Barack Obama, HUD made advancing lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer rights a priority . Shaun Donovan, who served as Obama’s first HUD secretary, was the first sitting Cabinet official in history to publicly support marriage equality.


The agency worked to prohibit discrimination by HUD-funded housing authorities, recognized state and local laws that are more LGBTQ-friendly than federal ones and raised awareness of resources available to the LGBTQ community.


Carson has a long history of making comments  opposing equal rights for the LGBTQ community. New York Magazine recently reported that under Carson, HUD has  pulled projects meant to help the LGBTQ community , which included online training materials for homeless shelters to ensure equal access for transgender people.


“Self-sufficiency” has been a major focus of Carson’s. Last year, he said he didn’t want low-income Americans receiving federal assistance to feel too “comfortable” in their housing because it might make them say, “I’ll just stay here. They will take care of me .” 


In December, he announced an new initiative that would put “ EnVision Centers ” near federal housing developments that to help train people in character and leadership, educational advancement, economic empowerment, and health and wellness.


Carson recently came under scrutiny for the revelation that his office was set to be redecorated with a $31,000 dining room set . The secretary has claimed he knew nothing about the order . 




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Dean Moriarty
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2  Dean Moriarty    8 years ago

"Last year, he said he didn’t want low-income Americans receiving federal assistance to feel too “comfortable” in their housing because it might make them say, “I’ll just stay here."

 I don't think there is a better man for the job he really hit the nail on the head. 

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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3  Colour Me Free    8 years ago

Under President Barack Obama, HUD made advancing lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer rights   a priority . Shaun Donovan, who served as Obama’s first HUD secretary, was the first sitting Cabinet official in history to publicly support marriage equality.

The agency worked to prohibit discrimination by HUD-funded housing authorities, recognized state and local laws that are more LGBTQ-friendly than federal ones and raised awareness of resources available to the LGBTQ community.

Carson has a long history of making comments  opposing equal rights   for the LGBTQ community. New York Magazine recently reported that under Carson, HUD has  pulled projects meant to help the LGBTQ community , which included online training materials for homeless shelters to ensure equal access for transgender people.

It is against the law to discriminate, correct?  So why does the mission statement need to reflex what is already against the law?  I am not a fan of Carson nor his religious beliefs etc .. yet is this not just another 'the sky is falling' moment?  Does not the LGBTQ community have the same resources available from the federal government as everyone else?

In December, he announced an new initiative that would put “ EnVision Centers ” near federal housing developments that to help train people in character and leadership, educational advancement, economic empowerment, and health and wellness.

Ben is such an evil bastard, how dare he ... From the link:

HUD Secretary Carson launches centers to drive households to self-efficiency

Carson announced HUD will launch its new EnVision Centers, which will be located on or near public housing developments. HUD explained these centers will be hubs for what it calls the four key pillars of self-sufficiency: character and leadership, educational advancement, economic empowerment and health and wellness.

The centers will form partnerships with federal agencies, state and local governments, non-profits, faith-based organizations, corporations, public housing authorities and housing finance agencies. EnVision Centers will utilize public-private resources to impact the community.

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One of Carson’s main initiatives is establishing “envision centers” of learning, especially for teenage mothers who, more often than not, end their educational trajectory once they give birth. New York City is seen as a potential spot for one of the first such centers where young, low-income parents can access day care while learning to code and “balance a checkbook or unclog a toilet,” the secretary told me. The project remains far from being piloted, especially considering recent cuts to HUD’s budget. 

“balance a checkbook or unclog a toilet,” - seems that some people do not understand, these are real issue for some.  I do not volunteer my time to teach 'unclogging a toilet' .. yet I do volunteer my time educating young, low income individuals (couples mostly) how to make a budget, balance a check book, make a grocery list and even shop in order to stay within a budget .. these EnVision Centers sound wonderful to me, an excellent use of tax payers money!

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @3    8 years ago
It is against the law to discriminate, correct?  So why does the mission statement need to reflex what is already against the law?  I am not a fan of Carson nor his religious beliefs etc .. yet is this not just another 'the sky is falling' moment?  Does not the LGBTQ community have the same resources available from the federal government as everyone else?

Please cite the federal law which you're fantasizing about, particularly a relevant one regarding sexual orientation or gender identity.

FYI there are no federal laws which prohibit discrimination on that basis in regards to housing, employment or public accommodation.     The Republicans in Congress have refused to allow any such laws like ENDA to be passed.   There were only a small handful of administrative policies which were enacted during the Obama administration, something which our new Fuhrer and his anti-LGBT appointees have been actively revoking.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.2  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.1    8 years ago

Sorry but you cited no federal laws, you merely cited a few court rulings in relatively liberal circuits.    Perhaps you should check out what the 11th Circuit ruled on the same kind of employment discrimination issue?    None of these involve housing discrimination anyway.

The GOP-controlled Congress has refused to pass any such laws, and it's a guarantee that our bigoted Fuhrer would veto them if they did.   Such is the nature of Republican party today.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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3.2.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Skrekk @3.2    8 years ago

How many specifically written laws are needed - discrimination is against the law .. and sex is a part of said law, seems like a no brainer to me .. but then I already treat individuals as I would like to be treated, therefore I do not judge based on 'gender identity and ones sexual orientation' race, colour, religion etc etc ......................... sorry if you see that as fantasizing - but discrimination is against the law ... [exclamation point!]

LGBT Job Discrimination Is Prohibited by Civil Rights Law, Federal Appeals Court Rules

A federal appeals court in Chicago ruled Tuesday that long-standing federal civil rights laws prohibit discrimination on the job against lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender employees.

It was the first ruling of its kind from a federal appeals court.

The decision, from the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals in Chicago said "discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is a form of sex discrimination."

Federal law forbids workplace discrimination on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin, but it does not explicitly mention sexual orientation, and the U.S. Supreme Court has never ruled on the issue.

Half of the problem is that everyone seems to think all the seperate laws need to be written - enforce the laws already on the books ... anti discrimination laws say 'sex' does not even state male or female - so orientation and identity are covered under 'sex' ... my opinion of course

(wish I knew how I was messing up the font in my comments)

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.4  Skrekk  replied to  Colour Me Free @3.2.3    8 years ago
How Many Specifically Written Laws Are Needed - Discrimination Is Against The Law

As I've pointed out there is no such law at the federal level.   The GOP refuses to allow such a law to be passed even though there are likely enough votes to pass things like ENDA.

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Https://Www.Nbcnews.Com/Feature/Nbc-Out/Lgbt-Job-Discrimination-Prohibited-Civil-Rights-Law-Federal-Appeals-Court-N742751

Half of the problem is that everyone seems to think all the seperate laws need to be written - enforce the laws already on the books ... anti discrimination laws say 'sex' does not even state male or female - so orientation and identity are covered under 'sex' ... my opinion of course

Ummmm......that federal appeals court ruling only exists BECAUSE there is no federal law which prohibits this kind of discrimination.    And of 11 federal court circuits only 2 have found that "sex" under the 1964 CRA covers sexual orientation and gender identity.     While I think that it's logical and inevitable that the same will eventually be found by SCOTUS and by other liberal circuits, so far all the conservative federal circuits have determined that it does not (most recently in the 11th Circuit).

In fact even in the liberal circuits like the 2nd and the 7th the doctrine until very very recently was that it was not covered.   The ruling you cited was a reversal of the existing court doctrine.   Until 2017 all the federal courts allowed that kind of discrimination despite the passage of the CRA in 1964.

And once again there is no federal law which explicitly prohibits this kind of discrimination being common throughout the country, especially in the red states and in all the states in conservative federal circuits.     Most conservatives erroneously assume there is such a law.

Moreover the Trump regime is fighting AGAINST the interpretation these two federal circuits have adopted and which the Obama admin had adopted.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.7  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.6    8 years ago
gee, didn't the DEMOCRATS PASS THEM WHEN THEY HAD CONTROL?

In fact they have.   That's the only time these bills have passed one chamber or the other, when the Dems control that chamber.    Every time these bills have come up virtually all the Republicans vote against it, making passage in the Senate more difficult than the House.   When the GOP is in control they usually kill the bill in committee and never allow a floor vote.   As a consequence of Congressional gridlock due to the GOP's bigotry and their efforts to insert poison pills into the bill, Obama enacted a version of ENDA which impacts only federal contractors......and Trump revoked that shortly after he was inaugurated. 

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.9  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.8    8 years ago

Those votes are on the Congressional record and prove the GOP for the party of bigots it truly is.   It's not a surprise that the only Republicans to have ever authored such legislation were two classic Rockefeller Republicans in the north east, and usually only one or two Republicans ever signed on as cosponsors of any version of ENDA or the Equality Act, despite hundreds of Dems signing on regardless of the author's party.   Given how extreme and theocratic the GOP has become it's no surprise that no Republican has authored one of these bills since 2004.

On a very fundamental basis Republicans today simply don't believe in equal rights or non-discrimination laws.   That explains everything about why a dumb bigot and racist like Trump became the party's nominee.......hatred of minorities and special rights for straight white Christian men are a core part of the GOP's platform.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.11  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.10    8 years ago

The bigoted Republican voting record and the GOP's bigoted platform speak for themselves.    Seriously, your party platform freely admits that it seeks to deny equal rights to LGBT folks and to harm them.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.13  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.12    8 years ago
Perhaps you should take the advice of a famous Democrat and win some elections and rid yourself of the GOP.

That would explain why the GOP wins any elections at all, the fact that conservatives are so willing to believe obviously false statements like the one you made at # 3.2.1.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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3.2.16  Skrekk  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.14    8 years ago
Not false. Educate yourself.

So why is it perfectly legal in the 5th Circuit to fire someone because they're LGBT?    Are you saying that federal laws don't apply in the confederate states?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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3.2.17  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.12    8 years ago

You are getting tiresome. 

um.. you do realize this is in the 2016 Republican Platform, right ?

Traditional marriage and family, based on marriage between one man and one woman, is the foundation for a free society and has for millennia been entrusted with rearing children and instilling cultural values. We condemn the Supreme Court’s ruling in United States v. Windsor, which wrongly removed the ability of Congress to define marriage policy in federal law. We also condemn the Supreme Court’s lawless ruling in Obergefell v. Hodges, which in the words of the late Justice Antonin Scalia, was a “judicial Putsch” — full of “silly extravagances” — that reduced “the disciplined legal reasoning of John Marshall and Joseph Storey to the mystical aphorisms of a fortune cookie.” In Obergefell, five unelected lawyers robbed 320 million Americans of their legitimate constitutional authority to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The Court twisted the meaning of the Fourteenth Amendment beyond recognition

from 

what are your thoughts on this ? do you support the Republican Party ?

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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3.2.19  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.18    8 years ago
yes, I  support the GOP.

so you openly support the discrimination and advocation for denial of equal civil rights of Marriage to same sex couples as outlined in their party platform ? why do you support denying equal civil rights of Marriage to same sex couples ?

DO you support the Democratic Party?

i support neither party

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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3.2.21  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.20    8 years ago

I don't give a flying f&*^ who marries who. 

Doesn't matter at all to me.

ok... so you support the GOP for the most part then and not the part for advocating to deny equal civil rights of Marriage to same sex couples ? which parts of the GOP platform do you actually support ? (i'm just trying to get an idea, that's all, it's why i'm asking questions. Many people on here [on both sides] don't specifically state their stances on topics and like to remain ambiguous on purpose so they can catch others in those "aha ! gotcha ! i didn't say that !" moments in order to "win" their debates)

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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3.2.23  Phoenyx13  replied to  Texan1211 @3.2.22    8 years ago

ah, ok :) thank you for providing that information for me :) i appreciate it. I personally think we all could probably have more meaningful conversations if we actually communicated better with each other (even if we disagree, "understanding" is a key that seems to be missing with so many things in today's world), unfortunately there are many who would rather just engage in trolling etc, which doesn't help anything at all. once again, thank you, i do appreciate it !

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5  It Is ME    8 years ago

"It will no longer reference “inclusive” communities “free from discrimination.”

GOOD !

There is no such thing anyway. Was Gov. supposed to be policing speech in these communities too ?

"Accidents will happen in the best regulated families."
- John Dos Passos

 
 
 
luther28
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7  luther28    8 years ago

While I myself do not understand any need to remove this particular text from the statement, I also feel it may be time to have our supposed betters stop categorizing, sorting and slotting us into assigned pigeonholes.

HUD’s mission is to ensure Americans have access to fair, affordable housing and opportunities to achieve self-sufficiency, thereby strengthening our communities and nation. 
Americans, kind of covers all the bases in my opinion.
 
 
 
Skrekk
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7.4  Skrekk  replied to  luther28 @7    8 years ago
While I myself do not understand any need to remove this particular text from the statement, I also feel it may be time to have our supposed betters stop categorizing, sorting and slotting us into assigned pigeonholes.

The problem is that there are no federal laws which prohibit discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity.     There were only Obama-era administrative policies which Drumpf and his bigoted cronies are revoking.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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8  Skrekk    8 years ago

Oops....it looks like HUD needs to update another part of its website to remove a non-discrimination policy:

The federal Fair Housing Act prohibits housing discrimination based on race, color, national origin, religion, sex, disability, and familial status (i.e., presence of children under the age of 18 in the household or pregnancy). The Fair Housing Act does not specifically include sexual orientation and gender identity as prohibited bases. However, discrimination against a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender (LGBT) person may be covered by the Fair Housing Act if it is based on non-conformity with gender stereotypes. For example, if a housing provider refuses to rent to an LGBT person because he believes the person acts in a manner that does not conform to his notion of how a person of a particular sex should act, the person may pursue the matter as a violation of the Fair Housing Act’s prohibition of sex.

The reason I bring that up is because that was the position of the attorneys in the Obama administration based on several court rulings including the 1989 SCOTUS ruling in Price Waterhouse v Hopkins.

However our new Fuhrer and his Department of "Justice" have explicitly taken the opposite view in several current court cases , including such recent cases like Zarda v Altitude Express.     The official policy of Drumpf and his cronies is that neither gender non-conformity nor "sex" as defined under the CRA has any implications for sexual orientation or gender identity.

 
 
 
Rmando
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9  Rmando    8 years ago

"Self sufficiency"

The two most hated words in the English language to liberal ears. How dare the unwashed masses think they can survive without massive, bloated, wasteful and expensive big government guiding them throughout their dependent lives.

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
10  Tacos!    8 years ago

It seems like it should go without saying that any government agency is inclusive and free from discrimination. The new mission statement is on-point and free from unnecessary distractions. This is what a truly post-racial government should look like.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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11  Tacos!    8 years ago

Carson recently came under scrutiny for the revelation that his office was set to be redecorated with a $31,000 dining room set . The secretary has claimed he knew nothing about the order . 

The Department of Housing and Urban Development has over 8,000 employees and a budget of over $32 billion a year. I just can't even the fathom the depth of stupidity/lunacy required to genuinely believe that the cabinet secretary, who oversees it all, has any direct involvement in purchasing the  furniture . crazy

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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11.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @11    8 years ago

He ordered it didn't he?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to    8 years ago

got it

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
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11.1.3  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1    8 years ago

You would be surprised how expensive furniture is these days. 

Before I actually occupied my office, I was told what previous secretaries did when they redecorated. I was asked what I wanted to do.
I visited the basement where previously used furniture was kept and my wife visited as well. We selected some chairs and made some minor changes. Additionally drapes that had previously hung in my office were brought back and blinds were put on the windows. The total redecoration cost was less than $3500. This is considerably less than the historical norm.
Dining room redecoration:
The secretary's dining room is used for business luncheons with a wide variety of people and groups. The furniture is 30 to 50 years old and is very worn. It has also been characterized as unsafe.
I did not request new furniture, but asked if it could be remediated. I was subsequently told that it was beyond repair and needed to be replaced.
I briefly looked at catalogs for dining furniture and was shocked by the cost of the furniture. My wife asked if used furniture was an option. Our acquisition process did not allow for that.
We were told there was a $25,000 budget that had to be used by a certain time or it would be lost. I indicated that they needed to take care of the needs of the deputy secretary out of that money too. My wife also looked at catalogs and wanted to be sure that the color of the chair fabric of any set that was chosen matched the rest of the decour.
I made it known that I was not happy about the prices being charged and that my preference would be to find something more reasonable.
I left this matter alone to concentrate on much bigger issues. I was as surprised as anyone to find out that a $31,000 dining set had been ordered. I have requested that the order be canceled. We will find another solution for the furniture replacement.
Benjamin S Carson Sr MD
 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @11.1.3    8 years ago

so?

My office furniture was built by prisoners. And it cost less than $500. Why don't government people look at those options?

Do I have to do everything myself?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Silent
11.1.5  Dean Moriarty  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1.4    8 years ago

I like that idea and bringing back chain gangs. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dean Moriarty @11.1.5    8 years ago

It's good solid oak and the workmanship is outstanding. I would rather prisoners learn a skill than sit around dreaming up new and different ways to break the law. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
11.1.7  Tacos!  replied to  Trout Giggles @11.1    8 years ago
He ordered it didn't he?

No, of course not! Someone else does it. And, as a matter of fact, when it was brought to his attention, he's the one who canceled the order.

Still, I understand they are trying to replace furniture that is over 50 years old and said to be beyond repair. If you want quality furniture that's going to get used every day (or close to it) by a lot of people for 50 years, you are probably going to be spending several thousand dollars for the table and chairs.

It's typical for a simple conference room chair in an office to cost $1000 or more. I think it's also typical that when these stories break, there is no context supplied as to use and actual costs. People compare the cost of something like this to the piece-of-crap kitchen table they bought at IKEA or Target and are horrified at the disparity. 

It's possible that HUD can find a table and chair set for less money, but it will still be several thousand dollars.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.7    8 years ago

So somebody just ordered his dining room table....riiiiggghhhhtttt.....

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Silent
11.1.9  lib50  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.7    8 years ago
It's possible that HUD can find a table and chair set for less money, but it will still be several thousand dollars.

Where the fuck are republican standards here?  That table was fine, the department he runs is GETTING BUDGET CUTS!  While HE AND HIS STAFF order a NON-ESSENTIAL piece of furniture that costs TENS OF THOUSANDS!  Somehow, you defend this.  Before we continue debating all these republican lapses of propriety, can you all please explain to everyone why you have no standards or different standards for your party?  Think Benghazi, emails, Clinton Foundation,  deficit, the original healthcare plan of the GOP, straight from the Heritage Foundation, that became Obamacare.  Golfing.  Spending on trips out of WH.  Family working in WH. No security clearances.  Breeches of security by Trump himself.  A liar.  A cheater.  Trying of PROFIT OFF THE OFFICE.  So many, and more.  Explain.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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11.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.7    8 years ago

It was for the dining room in his office suite

He tells everyone

(no reason to disbelieve him)

that he eats in the cafeteria - to be with his people - to boost morale.

About a month before it was ordered, Helen G. Foster, a former top HUD official, filed a complaint with the Office of Special Counsel, a federal whistle-blower agency, claiming that she had been demoted and transferred after resisting Mrs. Carson’s attempts to get around the $5,000 redecoration law.
The pressure began in January 2017, before Mr. Carson was even confirmed, when HUD’s interim secretary, Craig Clemmensen, told Mrs. Foster to help secure redecorating funds for Mrs. Carson, a frequent visitor to the department’s Washington headquarters who serves as an informal adviser to her husband, the complaint said.
Mr. Clemmensen, acting on Mrs. Carson’s behalf, told Mrs. Foster to “find money” to purchase better furniture for the office — and he quipped that “$5,000 will not even buy a decent chair,” according to the complaint, which was reported by The Guardian newspaper.
Mrs. Foster refused to comply, and said she then sent HUD officials the text of the law requiring congressional approval for the purchases. After she was removed from her position as the department’s chief administrative officer, she was made head of the agency’s unit overseeing Freedom of Information Act requests, which she viewed as an act of retribution.

So most of this was done without Mr.Carson's "input".

He would have to be dense not to have been aware of Mrs. Foster's complaints and demotion.

But Mr. Carson has finally indicated that he wishes to cancel the as yet undelivered new furniture.

The question now, is,  can the contract be voided.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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11.1.12  Split Personality  replied to    8 years ago

Interestingly, last week's stories all said he cancelled it.

This week's stories said he's 'trying' to cancel the order.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Participates
11.1.14  Split Personality  replied to    8 years ago

Since Mrs. Carson picked it out and insisted on it

it would be nice of her to pay the balance over $5,000.00 ( from Ben's salary ) then donate it to HUD.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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11.2  Split Personality  replied to  Tacos! @11    8 years ago

(duplicate comment deleted)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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12  JohnRussell    8 years ago

Ben Carson is a bizarre individual. Does everyone forget his sleepy, incoherent, answers at the Republican presidential debates? He has a large painting in the foyer of his house of Jesus looking down approvingly on him (Carson). It is strange, at best. 

He may have been a great surgeon, but he is inappropriate for any other activity. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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12.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @12    8 years ago

Considering his multiple (6) mal practice suits, I don't think great is a word to describe him as a surgeon.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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12.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @12.1    8 years ago

He was a decent surgeon who made himself famous by taking on risky projects that no other surgeon would attempt.

His team attempted to separate 5 Siamese twins conjoined at the head.

Only one pair of twins was truly successful.

The original pair were both institutionalized.

In total 5 died, 2 were normal, 2 were institutionalized and one was brain damaged but functioning.

The average success rate of all such surgeries since 1920 is 50%.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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12.2  Skrekk  replied to  JohnRussell @12    8 years ago
Ben Carson is a bizarre individual.

The part I like best is that he's a black guy who belongs to a racially segregated cult which was originally started as a white supremacist cult.

According to his cult's founder, black folks like him are the product of sex between humans and non-humans.

 
 

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