Easter-deniers vs. Easter’s Reality
Expect the anti-Christian left to go all giddily gleeful over the April Fool’s Day date of Easter this Sunday. What a juicy opportunity for the God deniers to amp up their full-throated mock-fest against Christians as gullible morons. Deluded idiots who believe against all reason in a God who callously sacrificed his own Son in order to arrange a heavenly reunion with His followers. All we Christian fools have got is faith, they scoff, and faith is nothing but empty, irrational hope.
These deep thinkers have their own faith that they insist relies on the holy writ of reason and science. Reason and science lead them to their catechism: that life began from primal stirrings of an inorganic hot mess that through lucky trial and error “evolved” itself into complex critters like tarantulas and lobsters and elephants and, eventually, human beings. Just don’t ask where the hot mess originally came from. Their version of reason is to believe by faith that a whole lot of something can come from absolutely nothing. And they call this science?
To be fair, there are some God-deniers who do have an explanation of the origination of life on Earth. Sort of. Celebrated DNA discoverer and Pulitzer Prize winner, the late molecular biologist Francis Crick, along with his colleague the late biochemist Dr. Leslie Orgel among others, argued that life developed from seeds spread here by extraterrestrials from an advanced civilization possibly via spaceship. So the entire planet is an experiment in horticulture.
And more recently British professional atheist, evolutionary biologist, and self-anointed “brilliant” Richard Dawkins, joined them in promoting this theory, called “panspermia,” which is Latin for “we’ll go to any wacky lengths to avoid the obvious truth of God the Creator.” It takes a real genius these days to tell science fiction from science. And these are the very same high-forehead gang as the “scientists” who every Easter pen their splendidly-articulated trashing of Christians as hopeless optimists hooked on an elaborate mythology of a God who loves them.
But as outlandish as the Easter story may seem -- God coming down to earth in a man-suit as Jesus Christ to reconcile us fallen humans with Him -- that panspermia theory certainly beats Christianity for sheer wild-eyed fiction. Bigtime.
Christianity-bashers are also fond of dismissing the Bible as elaborate fairy tales with no basis in fact or history. The marvelous science called archaeology has proved them wrong. Excavations validating the Biblical text have identified hundreds of artifacts, events, ancient place names, and the historicity of individuals such as Herod and Pontius Pilate who figure in Jesus’ story, as well as Jesus of Nazareth Himself. The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible by Joseph M. Holden and Norman Geisler is a fascinating trove of these discoveries.
There is a factual foundation on which Easter and thus Christianity rests; that the Biblical account is true of Christ’s death as a willing sacrifice by God Himself (as Jesus) so that we could enjoy eternity with Him in Heaven. The philosophical foundation of Christianity is much harder for some to believe than the resurrection miracle itself: that the God who created the heavens and the earth is so crazy about humanity that he arranged this reunion with us at great personal expense and physical pain.
But how do we know that the miracle of Easter actually happened? How do we know the disciples weren’t just inventing a sensational tale that the man they had followed for three years and seen murdered on the cross, after being entombed had conquered death by rising again to life? How do we know that Jesus appeared to them 12 times in the weeks after his “death,” and ate with them, and made them breakfast on a Galilee beach – how can we believe?
The most convincing proof, apart from the first-person accounts of the disciples at the time, may be the dramatic change in His followers who had fled the gruesome scene of Jesus’ crucifixion, their world and their hopes torn apart. But afterwards, when they had seen him, they were instantly transformed from sniveling cowards to bold evangelists.
As they walked and talked with the risen Christ, ate with him and examined the wounds on his hands and side, their emotions turned from despair to overwhelming joy.
His last instructions before he ascended into Heaven were to preach the gospel to all the world. This fragile band of believers became a determined, courageous army that traveled to take Christ’s message throughout the ancient world. The Word would ultimately spread until even in our era, Christianity is the leading religion on the globe with more believers than any other.
Their faith was rooted in reason, as ours is today. All of the disciples except John were eventually murdered by the brutal pagan despots of the time. Many will give their lives for a lie, but who will risk death for a lie they know is a lie?
No, their reason and the miracles they had seen convinced them that Jesus was the Son of God and His parting words were truth: “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teach them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” ( Matt. 28:18-20.) https://townhall.com/columnists/joyoverbeck/2018/03/29/easterdeniers-vs-easters-reality-n2465777
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Can't you celebrate your saviors resurrection without bashing those who do not share your faith?
One would think so.
I believe the seeder thinks that a greater amount of time is spent by non-believers concocting ways to mess with those of faith than is actually so. The majority (if not all) of my acquaintances spend zero time on this notion, they have greater concerns than the beliefs or non-beliefs of others, as it should be.
Agreed. Those confident in their mastery over death would logically spend zero time hating on non-believers...
Unless, of course, those believers were trying to inject their fantasy beliefs into every facet of secular society, from our government, laws, public spaces and public schools. We have religious freedom in America which means whether you believe or not, you have the same rights as any other citizen, there is no religion that should get a special position in society.
If one religion was trying to push its agenda in our government, laws, public spaces and schools then it would only be logical for non-believers to challenge such undeserved privilege.
Believers (at least as represented by the vast majority of which who show up on discussion sites like this) reap what they sow.
If religionists didn't have an effect on our lives, we would ignore you.
I think the non-believers ask tough questions that believers aren't able to answer with anything other than "Well that's what I believe and you can't change my faith!" which isn't really a valid argument for a position. The non-believers only get "high fives" and praise when they make valid cogent arguments for their position. If the non-believers simply claimed that all that had to support their belief in evolution or the big bang theory was faith and not an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment, then they would be the ones who felt ridiculed and vilified.
If you took some of the all time best adult Jeopardy contestants and pit them against your average 8th grader, the 8th grader might feel "ridiculed and vilified" for not being able to compete on any real level considering they would most likely get destroyed. To try and pit educated non-believers against believers who felt their faith was more important than learning facts, believers who likely had higher education ridiculed by their parents and peers, why be surprised that they get the stuffing knocked out of them every time they try and enunciate their faith based reality that has little to do with facts based reality? You might know everything about Jesus and his ministry, but that won't help you on an actual science or geology test, in fact, it may hinder you rather dramatically.
The USA, demographically , is about 70% Christian, 6% non-Christian religion. The remainder are the irreligious and those not answering.
I doubt this site is so askew of the basic US religious demographics.
As a long time paramedic, I'm pretty sure that nobody has an agreement with death.
"As a long time paramedic"
Oh Wow so now your also a paramedic in addition to being a medical professional, scientist, and golf course owner. In the last two days you've listed four different professions that you claim to be, I can't wait to see what you are tomorrow and the following days to come. At this rate by this next Friday you'll eighteen different professions, I find that amazing, amazing as in BS
Not at all. You are free to believe as you see fit, just don't expect others to believe as you do. As a deist, I can believe in God, but also accept that there is no proof of a god, or many gods. Nor do I believe that if there is a "God", he or she has any influence on humans at all. Believe as you see fit, just do not ever force it on others, or expect our secular government to allow you any more than your constitutional right to believe in whatever you wish, Your religious freedoms end where someone else's civil rights begin... deal with it.
Absolutely right Mr Frost. I never see it as non-believers ridiculing believers in this site as much as I see it as believers showing up here with a real "Fuck You" attitude. They post articles that are are really believe in them or not and then are unwilling to discuss alternatives like agnosticism or atheism which they immediately attack and dismiss. If the "believers" want the be treated more fairly (and I think they are treated as fairly as they deserve now) then they need to cut the confrontational attitude a bit. The come here proselytizing (and they shouldn't bother denying the obvious, because that is exactly what they do) and then expect people to greet them as friends. They expect people to immediately believe as they do, without giving them any reason to, beyond just demands that that's how their holy books says it has to be. I mean what do they expect from their aggressiveness?
Most of the paramedics where I live do it on a volunteer basis so they hold down regular jobs too. A friend in Colorado is a FWS ranger and a paramedic on the side, and also does both mountain rescue and S&R with her dog.
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Actually that would be Larry Robinson the esteemed pastor, theologian, tax accountant, astronaut, submarine commander, underwear model and international businessman.
So you only do one thing? I enjoy doing many things. Many of them coincide.
What is so odd about that? I've had many different careers during my lifetime. I've worked since I was 12 years old, and each different work experience was a step into a different world that was both enlightening and enjoyable. It helped me grow as a person and in my own knowledge, from Dairy Queen carhop to professional fashion and photography model to owning and operating my own business, to working as a paralegal to being a medical secretary to executive administrative assistance to computer and software technical beta tester to Instructor of computer and software applications at two community college to again owning my own business to Secretary of the Board Of Directors for a technology organization. And during that time I earned a Masters degree in Business Management and became a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP). So what is so odd about having many careers?
Some people like doing only one type of work in their life, but, some of us like doing different things as our life moves forward and as necessity dictates.
Actually, it might be against the CoC for someone to challenge something like that .. just as it is if I doubt someone who claims they served in the military, when their behavior in here shows they have no respect for our Constitution. I'm still not allowed to bring it up.
Personally, I think .. it's the Internet, I take everyone's personal claims with a grain of salt, but in here we're not allowed to challenge them.
It does not bother me in the least if someone here does not believe me on what I have done in my life. I am good with how my life has turned out, in spite of the many tragedies that I have faced along the way. I feel they have made me stronger and more understanding of others. I don't need to explain jack to anyone, nor do I owe anyone one. I am proud of the accomplishments I have made in life, and have enjoyed the wide variety of learning curves and challenges they have provided as well, as they have made me the person I am, and I make no excuses for who I am.
Whether or not challenging someone's career choices is a CoC violation or not is up to the Mods. As we don't all know the various people here on a personal basis, or are intimate of their private life, it is not our call to sit in judgement of anyone.
Just my own take on it.
I have twin uncles on my father's side (or had, one passed away) and both of them worked for 40 plus years as fork-lift driver for GM in Grand Rapids, Michigan. And I mean that is all they did for their entire working life. The same job. Driving fork-lifts. Every day. Year after year. Now granted they were really great paying UAW jobs and they had great benefits for them and their families, with health, dental, increasing paid vacations, regular raises, job security, employee discounts on new cars, great retirement pensions and health benefits, etc., the whole union gluttonous ball of wax. But all they did for the whole nearly 40 years was drive fork-lifts moving the same type of materials from one part of the production plant, in the same production plant to be made into various car seats for various GM cars and trucks and nothing else. I would have gone out of my fucking mind!
When I was discharged from the Air Force my dad and I got into a big fight because my Uncle Bob and Dick had pulled some strings with the Union and they had said that they could have gotten me on as a fork-lift driver just like them in a few weeks and in the Union in a few months. You know that was 1977 and that was 40 plus years ago and that GM plant is still there in Grand Rapids and still making various car and truck seats for various GM cars and trucks and if I had taken that job I could have been a fork-lift driver there for the whole past 40 plus years, with the same great pay, benefits, etc. And all I would have had to do was to spend my whole working life driving a fork-lift from one end of the same production plant to the other, hauling basically the same production material, to be made into various car seats for various GM car and truck seats day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, for 40 plus years (and maybe have joined a bowling league) until I retired to Florida.
When I refused and also then refused my dad's offer to get me on with the Teamsters as a Truck Driver like him, he wouldn't talk to me for months because he said I was insulting his and his brother's and his father's (his dad was a working truck driver too) way of life.
Maybe I was?
I don't think you were. You simply realized that you had a different calling in life. Both my Mother and Father worked different types of work over their life, as did both sets of my Grandparents. Perhaps that is where I got my need for occupation challenges. The more things I learned the more I wanted to learn. In return for the various knowledge that I gathered along the way, I did my best to share it with others who I could help do better in their own life.
We each have our own path in life, and it may not be one that everyone else would choose. And that is truly one of the beautiful parts that makes the world such an interesting place to be.
I blame my mother's father. Grandpa Ranta always said to try to take the chance to experience as many things as you could because when you got old you would be happier remembering the memories you had then the memories of the things you had a chance to do and didn't. So I did things like when I was in North Dakota and we had a storm and it got down to minus 31 degrees with a minus 105 wind chill when it gusted, I got my gear on and went outside because I wanted to know what it was like to be outside in a blizzard like that and I figured I'd never get another chance to find out, so I grabbed the chance. It was a very strange, incredible and not to be missed sensation.
An old girlfriend of mine when I first came out West to the L.A area to live 27 years ago told me about a place above the San Fernando Valley, up Topanga Canyon Road and then a hike where you could see the whole valley from at night and that it was an incredible sight, so of course I had to go up there that night. We drove up as far as we could and walked for about 1 and 1/2 hours and I was pretty disappointed until were reached a small ledge and then it was something I never thought was possible to see. We were way up and the lights below were like a spray of different colored jewels spread out for dozens of miles below. I was awe struck! I didn't want to leave. I sat there and smoked a joint and just marveled at it for hours. I am glad that I did, because I know that now at my age I could never climb up there again, but I have the memory of it stored safely away.
Then again I also remember being in Minneapolis, Minnesota one day in 1975, stoned out of my gourd, at a White Castle Restaurant and sitting on the curb in front of it. I was eating Turkey sliders with a very, very, very wicked case of the munches and they were going down one right after another. However about three feet away from me was the Red driver's side fender of a Minnesota State Highway Patrol car with two officers sitting in it watching me pretty closely (or so I thought) as I kept eating at a pretty good clip. In my very buzzed conditioned I ate 23 Turkey sliders, one small order of fries and drank one regular Coke. I used to wear a a green golf style beret cap back then that looked like it was made out of an old piece of ratty carpet and I tipped it to the officers as I managed to stand up and walk back to our car on the other side of the restaurant. I guess that qualifies as a remembered experience too. The didn't come after us, so I guess they thought I was OK. LOL.
There are many opportunities given to us in life, whether or not we take advantage of them is up to us. I can never say that my life was boring.
My dad had several occupations over his life. When he left home, he went to Ohio and worked in a mental hospital. Then he went to Delaware and did the same thing there. Then he got a job working at textile mill. Then he worked for Chrysler putting in the seats. Then he bought a half interest in a dairy farm and was a dairy farmer for 3-4 years. Then he worked in the coal mines until he retired, so he spent probably 30 years in the mines. His last job was township supervisor. That was an elected position and I was very proud that he got elected.
My dad was a wanderer and I think I got some of that from him. There's nothing wrong in changing jobs or interests over the course of your life.
Where was the bashing?
Blue laws, DOMA laws, repealing Roe v.Wade, teaching religious ideas in public schools. Discrimination based on your conservative interpretation of the bible.
Why do you think that we have the separation of church and state in the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution? That idea isn't there by accident. It is there to prevent the creation of religious beliefs being enforced by the state that happened in Europe.
Apparently, you failed to read the first two paragraphs of the article.
I am not a denier of Easter. Or, in fact, of God herself (Peace Be Upon Her!).
But cute 'lil 'ole Bunny Rabbits laying Easter Eggs-- that's a bridge too far (to coin a phrase).
So yes, I am a "Bunny Rabbits Laying Easter Eggs" Denier.
I just thought of Robin Trower when you were talking about bridges.
It's interesting how Christianity co-opted the festivals of all kinds of different religions and pagan traditions, in this case the Germanic fertility goddess Eostre. If that's that's where "estrous cycle" comes from then it explains why they kill the rabbit.
The resurrection .. the trinity .. all of these myths were taken from older myths. Noah's Ark is the most famous one, since we have an amazing written record of Gilgamesh. But facts can't thwart fanatics who are emotionally attached to their myths.
I enjoy it as a fun day and will help with an Easter Egg Hunt for kids
I know it is a big day for the religious and hope they have a good time
It's always been one of my favorite holidays, right behind Thanksgiving. It's a day to relax and wait on that ham to be cooked. I'm gonna take a nap, too
So, I did as you asked and reposted Celestina's Elevenish Ways to Kill a Peep. While I was googling to find her blog site, I noticed several news sites with 10 ways to kill peeps ... copycats! I'm guessing they read hers, otherwise why would they say 10? Hmm.
So do I but I get a very strong impression that the ones we meet here just sulk more and use the day to try to devise new strategies to impose their superstitions onto the rest of us.
Yes, instead of going out and doing work of their faith that could really do some good for those who need help. But, I guess even then it would only be for those that were Christians and agree with their own ideology.
I think you're right. Many of my friends are devout, and they're out and about, getting along with pretty much everyone, being good people, not attacking everyone and being all hateful (even to those of their own religion, such as the Catholic vs Protestant, mainstream Protestant vs fundamentalist, creationist vs young earther stuff we see from them when there are no atheists for them to attack) and having bullshit persecution complexes. But then, they're not young earthers or literalists, so their brains haven't shut down.
That's what TRUE Christians do. They are secure in their own faith and have no need to question that of others, whatever their own faith may be. It is only those who do not have faith in themselves or their own belief that feel the need to question or threaten others due to their choice of religious faith, or chastise those who so not believe.
They live their own life and walk their own path in life and let others do the same. They are the true believers, whatever their faith may be.
That's what my mom was like. She wouldn't recognize the religious freaks here.
Christians are called by Christ to spread the gospel. It's not intended that they be mean about it, but if you think Christians are supposed to be quiet and not broadcast their beliefs, you're wrong.
why would Christ need so many advertisers ?
To keep the holy Ponzi scheme from collapsing.
Because God wants us to be social and live as a community. Plus TVs were still very primitive in those days.
Nah, you're called by Paul to spread the gospel. Not by Christ. Have you really not even read the bible, and read the differences in what Jesus and Paul said?
It's sad, how few Christians have actually studied what they spout off about.
Yet when anyone else wants to broadcast their beliefs, and get the same consideration as the Christians, the fundies screech about persecution and the war on their religion, and threaten those who disagree with them. It's not that we intend to be mean about it - we just value the Constitution, and your myths have no more value than anyone else's (such as Zeus, Atum, Isis, Krishna, etc.)
Fundies are called by their churches to brainwash people for money and power. I watched the live show of Jesus Christ, Superstar, this evening .. and they nailed the fact that it was all about the power of the Roman government, and the clash with the church. The church ended up winning, and now we've had centuries of mass murders and genocides due to religion.
Is this what God told you ? Do you regularly speak to God or have you heard this from one of his public relations employees like Paul ?
nobody knows 100% for sure what God does/wants/looks like/feels etc. - unless you think you do and can give us a clear and distinct definition for everyone ?
Plus, since God is supposed to be all-knowing, he should have put a clause in that stated "keep spreading the word until TV and Computers are everywhere, then you don't have to do it anymore".
Matthew 28:19-20 New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.
Mark 16:15-16 New King James Version (NKJV)
15 And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
God and Jesus didn't speak to people in the Bible about material things that had no knowledge of, what would have been the point? That would have been Isacc Newton saying after he proved the law of gravitation " Gravity can not be escaped until rocket ships can leave the earth.
We will do as we always do, celebrate the life, death and resurrection of Jesus the Christ. No Easter eggs, in fact we don’t even mention the word Easter
we speak to each other as the early church (prior to the cult of the Church of Rome)
greeting one another with “He is risen” and the response being “He is risen indeed”. We will worship Him in songs and spiritual songs, bring a teaching from the Word of God, have communion as He commanded, pray for one another, and then share a meal in the fellowship of the body.
sometimes we celebrate at a park so we can share food and His love with others
This has been my style of ministry for nearly 40 years
You speak Aramaic?
Nope. never.
Even my knowldge of latin is laughable.
How else am I supposed to interpret this statement? Livefree' isn't a Gnostic or Eastern Orthodox Christian so the only alternative translation of that statement is that he speaks Aramaic or possibly Greek.
The language of the early (Roman) Catholic church was obviously vulgar and then classical Latin.
As an old medical professional had to learn a bit of Latin. Too bad it is classified as a dead language.
Et tu, Brute?
I learned the little bit of Latin that I know of was from Catholic teachings and then terms for physics, upper-level math and some philosophy. I know a little greek from my philosophy classes but I wouldn't consider myself to be even passable as a tourist.
I tried to learn Latin from a serious of DVDs but it wasn't a success.
Yes, indeed. And then there are the smart-asses like episette. And thank Zeus for that.
Everyone needs a hobby and an outlet for my stress.
It seems you aren’t happy unless you really extend yourself to find a way to denigrate Christians
the obvious context to any rational person was “in the same manner or custom”
in the meantime may you discover the love and hope that is in Jesus
I am only asking questions of the most obvious of your illogical statements. If you don't like my questions then stop being illogical.
Exhibit A.
Rome was beautiful before it adopted Christianity and made it the official religion of the empire. Shortly after that Rome collapsed, no doubt in part due to Christianity and the horrors it caused.
I don't let anybody near my back anymore. Especially not good friends.
I learned medical and scientific terminology, but speaking any other language than English is problematic. English is the language of pilots.
Or family.
Skirting the CoC [ph]
And did God die and you got named to judge others in His place? How would YOU know if she or anyone else has any "Good Friends"? And how do WE know that YOU have and any "Good Friends"?
Don't pretend to stand In God's shoes to judge others. Concentrate on your OWN life and try to see how much better YOU can be.
Wow, that tells us more about you than all of your other comments combined. And it didn't improve anything.
I expect Tom Hanks will star in the story of his life.
Sean Penn or Mel Gibson would be more amusing.
Fundies apparently hate all other Christians as much as they hate atheists. Very strange.
I am not a fundamentalist nor have I ever hated anyone
Your comment about Catholics implies otherwise ... at the very least, it shows an arrogance towards other Christians who don't share your interpretation of the Bible. Considering the number of people who have been murdered because of Protestant vs. Catholic faith, even though they all worship the same god - as if their god isn't enough above humans to have different approaches to it, and as if any human could possibly know for certain what it thought - I find that comment to be pretty hateful.
Go read about Henry VIII, then Bloody Mary, then Elizabeth (or, more recently, the Irish "troubles") if you think it's acceptable to pretend Catholics are any less Christian than you are. It's not helpful with the 33,000 different Christian sects in existence when you turn on others as if you are somehow a prophet who can somehow fathom the mind of God, and they're not true Christians.
LOL.
Your Christian views are quite fundamentalist. Maybe you have a different definition of what a fundamentalist is.
Does hating reality count?
Are you truly that ignorant about your religion? The Protestant religion was formed because Henry VIII wanted to divorce Catherine and marry Anne Boleyn. The Pope wouldn't allow it, so he formed his own religion. Then, his two daughters murdered hundreds of people as they went from Papist to Protestant and back.
Geesh. I cannot believe this. Well, actually, I can. Most fundies are ignorant about their own religions, from what I've seen in here.
Now, you're correct about the doctrinal issues of the original Christian religion. It was all about politics, and they picked and chose which gospels they wanted to include in the bible, and corrupted any possible meaning that Jesus had in favor of Paul, assuming either of them existed. And yet this is the bible you base your hatred on - the very bible assembled by the church you so disdain.
Comment removed for CoC violation [ph] to know Henry VIII started the Chruch of England. Protestantism originated from work of several theologians starting in the 12th century, although there could have been earlier cases of which there is no surviving evidence.
The English church renounced papal authority when Henry VIII failed to secure an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon in 1534.[9] The English Reformation accelerated under Edward VI's regents, before a brief restoration of papal authority under Queen Mary I and King Philip. The Act of Supremacy 1558 renewed the breach and the Elizabethan Settlement charted a course enabling the English church to describe itself as both catholic and reformed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England
So, I'm curious - you mentioned communion on this Sunday. Does your church practice communion every Sunday, or once a month, or just on special occasions? I'm curious because to my Mom (she was an Episcopal deacon for years and a chaplain), it's not church without communion. That's the part that makes her feel closest to God, and her joy when she became a deacon and gave communion to her congregation (and her atheist daughter) was amazing (although having to finish up the consecrated wine afterwards since it couldn't be thrown out was a minor issue since she doesn't like the taste of alcohol, lol). I've talked to her former priest back in CO and he's arranging for someone to bring her communion each Sunday as a shut-in, as she did back in her day for others. Other Protestant faiths such as Presbyterians celebrate communion only once a month, and some consider it almost blasphemy and ritual cannibalism and Papist tripe. Anyway, I'm just curious, I always find it interesting to learn how others worship and why.
Also, why don't you mention Easter - is it because of the pagan origins? Or something else?
I think Mom would enjoy your way of celebrating .. song, worship, and communion. Especially if it were held outside. And I don't think she'd give a hoot if Easter wasn't mentioned; not because she takes offense with the pagan origins, but rather because to her it's just all about the resurrection, and is the holiest day of the year, and what it's called doesn't matter at all.
Dipping hard boiled eggs in dye was always my favorite part of easter.
I colored 3 dozen eggs this Easter.
"He is risen" Sounds like a dog whistle for the teavangelical church elders to meet outside the Sunday school classroom.
Knuckle dragging thumper bullshit splattered all over the front page again.
How The Grinch Stole Easter? Small c christian fundies surely are a bunch of whiny full time victims. While those who truly believe in Christ's resurrection will celebrate those with no real faith sit in the dark trolling all those who refuse to be as miserable as they are...
Do you think HA is upset about my Easter/April Fool's fun article?
Pissed enough not to use any Jergens lotion until monday.
Lots of angry conservatives on Good Friday.......
So what. Funny how they get all militant defending the Prince of peace. Hypocrites. F'em.
I don't want to hurt the widdle snowflakes feelers.......
somebody thinks you're angry. Show 'em that you're not
Show them your funny side
it does seem that God needs a lot of advertisers and can't ever have enough of them
I thought we were talking about his kid. You know, the one born after the spiritual molestation of a 14 year old girl, who was a descendant of some incestuous family fuckfests 3982 years before.
Most successful and longest running Ponzi scheme in history.
I disagree. If there were a god it'd need defending from its most fanatical believers.
No more than unicorns do. But doesn't your "god" need his gullible followers to carry out his dirty work? No one else will do that for him.
You mean she wasn't a virgin??!?!?!?!?
Tell me which part of my comment isn't true according to the thumper version of the bible.
ummm... nobody knows who/what God is since we have no proof of existence nor non-existence, remember ? if you think you know who/what God is for 100% sure - then please share that with everyone since we'll finally have clear and distinct definition.
but we do know that God needs lots of people to advertise for him/her/it (spread the word, right ?) and can't seem to have enough since God is constantly trying to recruit more and more people
This comment was made earlier on this article:
so you are telling me that Christ doesn't need advertisers but yet calls on all of the believers to "spread the word" (which is advertising... ever hear of "word of mouth" advertising ?) anyway ? sounds like the only one with "complete bs" is you if you believe that to "spread the word" isn't advertising. Plus, on top of all the needed advertising, Christ is constantly trying to recruit more people into believing, and thusly commanding them to advertise as well, correct ?
Also, since you stated my last statement was "complete bs." that must mean you have a clear and distinct definition of who/what God is and you will now share it with everyone to stop all the confusion on who/what God is, correct ?
if any of this is wrong - please feel free to correct the record.
Spiritual rape of a chile, and ritual cannibalism, and zombies .. what's not to like?
Now there's a war on Easter?
Did the Easter Bunny eat all your chocolates again?
I like it. If my Photoshop or Maya skills were better I would create a graphic in honor of your literary brilliance.
Fucking religious snowflakes... If you spent your time doing as Jesus commands you'd be too busy to write/seed articles about non-Christians.
Up from the grave He arose! Hallelujah!
Jah or Yah ( Hebrew : יהּ Yah ) is a short form of Yahweh
Hallelujah literally means "Praise Jah" or "Praise Yahweh".
I often find it interesting that the God of the Hebrews, who was so jealous and violent throughout the Old testament, even sending wild bears to devour children that had teased a prophet about being bald, is considered by many to also be Jesus, the turn the other cheek non-violent minister from the New testament. They say God is perfect and unchangeable, but you could not get two more disparate personalities than Yahweh and Jesus.
Mmmmm.......brains!
A bit of premature re-incarnation there.
Sounds like the plot to a zombie movie.
Why do you seed stuff like this if not to encourage religious debate?
Panspermia is not a religion, it is an hypothesis. The difference between a religion and an hypothesis is profound. Further, Panspermia is highly probable based on actual evidence. The author apparently has done no research on this hypothesis.
The claim of fact that God sent an hypostasis (read: Himself) to Earth to be tortured and murdered by His own creations so that He -by sacrificing Himself- could then forgive them and grant them everlasting life is not only extraordinary , but it does not even make logical sense. To spell it out: God (as defined by the Bible) is omnipotent and could thus forgive without engaging in a self-sacrificial prelude.
That's just it, TiG, he doesn't want to encourage religious debate. This seed is aimed at those of us who won't be going to church on Easter and will be having fun instead. This seed is designed to stir up animosity and get people slap fighting.
I think Jesus would be horrified at the attempt to start fights on the day Jesus himself was tortured and executed.
On behalf of a grateful NT Nation, the Academy of Rationality is proud to present you with it's highest accolade: The Medal of Understatement:
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This explains a lot.....Zombie Jesus must have eaten the brains of all the Christians.
Where exactly did your god come from?
HA continues his self-pity jihad. He wants to label his critics as "anti-Christian" when the truth is they're anti-hypocrite. Christianity isn't the target of the ridicule. Christianity if practiced as taught by its founder is admirable. Trouble is HA and the like who predominate on discussion boards like this, don't even come close. If I believed in god, I'd say it weeps every time of HA'S type claims to be a believer.
Spot on. IF he was truly the devout, pious Christian he and others here profess to be, they would be out doing the work of their faith, not here attacking those of other beliefs and denigrating those who do not agree in lock step with them. But, it is easier to talk the talk than it is to walk the walk.
If I also remember another part of the Bible, it says, "Judge not, lest ye be judged". However, following that part of the book they profess to adhere to seems to be more of the saying, "Do as I say, not as I do" sort of thing. Then they wonder why others do not capitulate to their beliefs.
They seem to conveniently ignore that other thing that their Bible taught about tolerance and acceptance of others. And that Christianity is not the only way to believe in the Creator, as the rest of the world well knows.
I find it amazing that non believers know exactly how a Christian should act, walk, and talk. I wonder how they know this. Was it introduced to them at home at an early age? That's how they claim Christians are indoctrinated. And, then, there are those who say......yes, you are right and they should, also, act like this. Perplexing!
Most non-believers in the US were raised in a Christian home or had it introduced to them by friends or at school. I may be an avowed secular humanist but I was raised in a very conservative Catholic home and I studied theology as part of my college minor. It is a fact that most atheists are better educated in religion than the believers. Being an atheist is the process of studying religion and then coming to the conclusion that it is a very ancient and illogical myth. People just don't wake up from a bad hangover at a Baptist wedding and claim to be an atheist.
We can (and have) read the Gospels. Haven't you?
Have you put anything you read into practice?
I do not need to believe in a god or a savior to live a moral life. Religious belief is more about the government keeping control of the people than it is about teaching them to live a moral life.
Organized religion has always been about controlling the people more than saving their souls. Inflicting fear in them of everlasting damnation as a tool to control them is a large part of their agenda.
The Creator I believe in is kind, loving and forgiving toward His children, and does not need to resort to fear mongering. He understands that mere mortals are fallible, as they are not created nor intended to be perfect. It is what is in our own hearts that matters most to Him, and how we live our lives here on earth and treat our Brothers and Sisters of all walks of live with tolerance and understanding that matters to Him.
There are many ways to prove our worth as a human being than simply belonging to some organized religious belief. Nor does simply belonging to some organized religious belief alone does not prove our worth as a human being.
Just my own belief and opinion.
Your statement isn't close to being true,
You are ignoring the obvious that majority of the current atheists were raised with some religious belief at home, by one or more parents. I am not surprised that some people who were raised without religion have now joined a religion. Nobody would expect otherwise.
Well, I don't ask my neighbors to murder my son if he's disobedient, and if I had a daughter who was raped, I'd never sell her to her rapist, as commanded by the bible. I definitely don't want to put everything I read in the bible into practice.
But yep, if Jesus existed, he wanted us to be good to our fellow humans, and he absolutely spoke out against false prophets who claimed they knew what God thinks and wants, and who use their religion to promote hatred and to think they're better than everyone else. So I'd say I'm probably more "Christian" than most fundies. I'm certainly more moral, since I am able to behave decently without threats of eternal punishment or promises of eternal rewards - unlike the fundies who claim that without belief in their god, people can't be moral. I think it's a shame they can't behave decently without a crutch, but hey, that's their problem. According to the bible, Jesus won't know them after they die.
Okay, but did you release your slaves?
My buddy Jesus didn't require that, he merely said that you shouldn't beat your slaves so hard that they die the same day. It's OK if they die the next day.
Now Skrekk, be fair.
That was Yahweh (the Father hypostasis) who made that rule, not Jesus. And Yahweh said that it is okay to beat your slaves to death as long as they do not die within a couple of days.
Oddly, Jesus did not weigh in on slavery. He chose to not include guidance on one of the most immoral acts of humanity in his moral teachings. We can only presume that Jesus thought the 2 day grace period well reflected objective morality.
Indirectly he did by telling a number of parables about slaves......but then never saying anything like "slavery is a bad thing, so don't beat slaves or own slaves."
Is that not worse? He acknowledges slavery (the subject is on the table) yet does not go to the next step and provide objective moral guidance by denouncing it.
Exactly right.
I was raised as more of a "tribal" Catholic then anything else. In my family you were considered to have been born a Catholic, like people who were Jewish were considered to have been born Jewish. It wasn't so much how much you went to Mass or learned your Catechism, being a Catholic was just something you were. My grandparents were much more of the practicing Catholics then my divorced parents, though both of my parents became very devout in their later years, so when people asked me what religion I was, such as when I joined the Air Force to have it imprinted on my dog tags, it was to me much more a question of asking what race I was, so I said Roman Catholic.
The odd thing is that when I was in my late teens I seriously considered the Priesthood and honestly felt I had the calling. I had read the Catholic Bible from cover to cover and was being guided by a parish Priest and even had visited a seminary near Niagara Falls. Yet I just could not reconcile what I had read and was expected to teach others with the real world that I knew. It just did not fit. I looked strongly at the Jesuits who seemed much more of an intellectual order and much more free thinking, but even there there were restrictions that I didn't think I could handle. Also there was the whole being a member of the community that many people would look up you as a Parish Priest. Calling or not I just didn't feel that I was worthy of that status. At that point in my life Priests practically walked on water and I could not see myself in charge of a Parish being looked up to as a leader with the responsibility of people thinking I was holding their souls in my hands. I guess I chickened out. Surprisingly enough, even though I am now an atheist, I think I would have made a very good Jesuit Priest for the time I was still a believer.
Though I am absolutely certain I would have become an atheist as I am now no matter what.
I have cats. I'm the slave.
"I'm the slave"
I've just been freed....I think a coyote or a great horned owl ate the cat.
Simple common sense. Besides, many Christians also like to talk about how they should act, walk, talk, ect..
Many atheists started out as theists.
A person cannot make an intelligent and defensible statement that there is no god if you haven't put some research into the subject. Saying that God doesn't exist without knowledge of the subject is just as emotional as saying that God does exist because of a religious belief.
The more you learn about religion the more obvious that it is a myth.
With the exception of John (who was merely tortured and exiled) the apostles of Jesus lived in poverty and were murdered for sharing their beliefs. They sure didn't do much in the way of controlling anyone - nor did they have any hope of doing so.
Why are you ignoring the fact that Raven said organized religion? The original 12 disciples were not yet an organized religion.
Indeed. And as TiG has often pointed out, making claims of absolute certainty either way is logically indefensible.
The problem being that there is no evidence of his life or death other than the first council of Nicea hundreds of years later.
Did you just admit that Christianity is a pure myth with nothing factual to support it?
Follow the logical conclusion of your reply to CJcold's previous statement. You might know it better as reading between the lines.
Claiming that I am not honest is a personal attack.
Oh come on. That is just not true and you know it. Or at least I hope you know it.
What specifically is not true about his statement?
According to your faith. But not necessarily historically accurate. There doesn't seem to be any first hand accounts of Jesus
So you don't know about the divination?
And it should be located on the same shelf other myths that are also tied to people and places that really existed.
I am relocking this article. It is no longer relevant and no longer attended to.