FactChecking Trump’s Nashville Rally
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The Liar and, Chief really out did himself.
At a campaign rally in Nashville, President Donald Trump repeated a bushelful of false and misleading claims, and added a few new ones:
Trump said the individual mandate provision of the Affordable Care Act was “so unconstitutional.” The Supreme Court upheld the mandate. In June 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the penalty can be considered a tax that is within the power of Congress to impose.
The president also said the Senate’s failure to pass a bill that would have repealed and replaced the Affordable Care Act “cost our country $1 trillion in entitlement saving.” Congressional budget experts say it would have saved a net total of $321 billion over 10 years.
The president also repeated numerous false, misleading and exaggerated claims on wages, trade, immigration and world opinion of the U.S.
Affordable Care ActThe president held a “Make America Great Again” rally in Nashville on May 29. He touched on numerous topics, touting in particular passage of the “Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.” In addition to overhauling the nation’s tax code, the new tax law will repeal the tax imposed on certain people who do not purchase a qualified health insurance plan.
The tax, known as the “individual mandate,” took effect in 2014 and, under the new law, will be repealed in 2019.
Trump criticized the mandate as unpopular and unfair. But he then added “unconstitutional,” which isn’t true.Trump, May 29: Plus in the tax cuts what did we get? The individual mandate is out the window. That was the most unpopular part of Obamacare. So unconstitutional.
In fact, the Supreme Court ruled the individual mandate was constitutional. In a 5-4 opinion on June 28, 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts wrote that the “penalty” — as it was described in the Affordable Care Act — is actually a “tax” collected by the IRS, and it is within congressional powers to impose new taxes.
Trump can have the opinion that it should have been ruled unconstitutional, but it was not.
The Republicans included the repeal of the individual mandate in the tax bill, because they were unable to pass the Better Care Reconciliation Act of 2017, a Republican bill that would have repealed and replaced the Affordable Care Act.
Trump lamented the failure to pass the health care bill, which failed 49-51 after Sen. John McCain voted against it in the early morning hours of July 28, 2017, by signaling a thumbs-down. If McCain had voted for the bill, Vice President Mike Pence could have broken the 50-50 tie, and the bill would have passed.Trump, May 29: It was done, and then, early in the morning, somebody turned the hand in the wrong direction. That cost our country a lot. That was a very, very terrible thing that happened that night. That was a very terrible thing. That cost our country $1 trillion in entitlement saving that nobody would have known.
Trump is not telling the whole story when he says the bill could have saved the country “$1 trillion in entitlement saving.” In addition to reducing health care spending, mostly on Medicaid, the Senate health care bill would have repealed or modified tax provisions in the ACA that provide increased revenues to the federal treasury.
On balance, the Senate bill would have reduced deficits by a net $321 billion over 10 years, 2017 to 2026, when accounting for the lost tax revenues, according to a joint analysis of the bill by the Joint Committee on Taxation and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. (The analysis was based on the version posted to the Senate budget committee website as of June 26, 2017.)CBO and JCT, June 26, 2017: CBO and JCT estimate that, over the 2017-2026 period, enacting this legislation would reduce direct spending by $1,022 billion and reduce revenues by $701 billion, for a net reduction of $321 billion in the deficit over that period.
The biggest savings would have come from Medicaid spending. CBO and JCT estimated that Medicaid spending would have declined in 2026 by 26 percent in comparison with current law — a reduction of $772 billion over the 10-year period. As a result, about 15 million fewer people would have been enrolled in Medicaid by 2026, compared with what enrollment would have been under current law, the analysis said.
The savings, however, would have been offset by the repeal and modification of certain taxes. The Senate version analyzed by congressional budget experts would have, among other things, repealed a surtax on net investment income and annual fees imposed on health insurers. The repeal of the investment income surtax, for example, would have reduced revenues by $172 billion, budget analysts said.Repeating Himself
The president also repeated several claims that we have already debunked — sometimes more than once.
The claim: “And wages, for the first time in many, many years, are finally going up.”
The facts: It is not “the first time” that wages are going up. The upward trend in wages started under President Barack Obama and has continued under Trump. The average weekly earnings of all private-sector workers, in “real” (inflation-adjusted) terms, rose 1.1 percent during Trump’s first 15 months, after going up 4.0 percent during Obama’s eight years. Those figures include managers and supervisors. The real average weekly earnings of rank-and-file production and nonsupervisory workers have gone up 1.4 percent so far under Trump, after rising 3.7 percent during Obama’s years.
The claim: “I say it, and I say it all the time, we are so respected again. I can’t even tell you — really, the degree to which people respect our country again. It’s amazing. It’s amazing.”
The facts: As we wrote, the Pew Global Attitudes Project last year found that citizens in 35 out of 37 countries have less confidence in Trump than they did in Obama — significantly so, in some cases. The decline in confidence in the U.S. president has been “especially pronounced among some of America’s closest allies in Europe and Asia, as well as neighboring Mexico and Canada,” Pew found. A more recent Gallup World Poll survey, released in January, found similar results. “Median approval of U.S. leadership across 134 countries and areas stands at a new low of 30%,” Gallup found.
The claim: “So they go and they take this man, right? And he got here and he’s got 22 people that came in — his mother, his father, his grandmother, his uncle, his brother, his sister. He got — 22 people come in for this one guy. That’s called chain migration — 22 people.”
The facts: Trump is talking about Sayfullo Habibullaevic Saipov, an Uzbekistan-born immigrant charged with killing eight people in New York City on Oct. 31. But, as we have written, there is no evidence that Saipov brought 22 people with him to the United States. In fact, as a green card holder, Saipov could not have sponsored anyone other than a spouse and children, and he married and had children in the United States — so he could not have been responsible for bringing in the relatives cited by Trump.
The claim: “Think of it, a lottery. You pick people. Now, let me ask you. So these countries that are sending people in — do you think they are sending us their finest?”
The facts: Trump is again distorting the Diversity Immigrant Visa Program, which uses a computer lottery system to randomly issue up to 50,000 immigrant visas each year to qualified applicants from countries with low rates of immigration to the United States. Countries aren’t “sending us” anybody. Individuals submit applications, and those eligible must meet certain requirements and pass a security background check. Stephen W. Yale-Loehr, who teaches immigration law at Cornell Law School, told us: “Among other things, the consular officer must make sure the individual is not ‘inadmissible.’ This means that the person has not committed a crime, doesn’t have a serious health problem, isn’t a terrorist, hasn’t committed fraud, and hasn’t overstayed in the U.S. before.”
The claim: “We lose with Mexico over $100 billion a year with this crazy NAFTA deal.”
The facts: Census Bureau data show that the U.S. trade deficit in goods and services with Mexico was $69 billion in 2017, up from $63 billion in 2016 and $58 billion in 2015.
The claim: “We passed the largest tax cuts and reform in American history. Larger than Ronald Reagan, many years ago.”
The facts: The tax bill that Trump signed into law in December is not the largest tax cut in history. It is estimated to reduce tax revenues by $1.46 trillion over 10 years, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. It needed to cost roughly $6.8 trillion over 10 years to beat the 1981 tax cut under President Reagan, which was 2.9 percent of GDP, according to the nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.
The claim: “So, instead of spending $1 billion and not having it for 20 years, we spent four-hundred-thousand bucks and it opened up in a few months. Is that good? Is that a good story?”
The facts: In discussing moving the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Trump conflates the alleged estimated cost ($1 billion) of building a new U.S. embassy in Jerusalem with the actual cost (less than $400,000) of renovating existing space for the interim embassy that opened in May. The interim embassy will be temporary; the State Department still intends to build a permanent facility.
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This man cannot resist a good lie.
Heck, he can't even resist a bad lie. He just lies all the time. He lies so much he does not have any idea what truth is. To Trump, the true is anything he wants it to be.
Most of his cabinet and Congress knows he is a endless liar and at some point it all all come back and sit on his head like a giant boulder, and the consequences will be monstrous. And that is why so many of the GOP Senate and House and even local office holders are bailing while the gettin' is good and they can save some semblance of their own reputation and integrity before the crap hits the fan.
It's all trivial minutiae that only a liberal could love. No one who matters gives a damn about what he says.
That is an extremely short sighted and ill thought out conglomeration of untrue words...
You should give a damn. One of these days he's going to promise you something and fail to deliver (once again) and your eyes will finally be opened. I hope
If so that would really be a damn shame. That would mean no one in the country really matters but trump.
To me all Americans matter. remember "We the people" you know the ones who hired this man trump to begin with.
IMO We do matter. And for more than our vote.
Whether you want to believe it or, not, I matter and, I give a damn, plus there are leaders of other country's that give a damn and, trust me on this, they do matter.
How can anybody not care that this president is a compulsive liar, that he is completely ignorant as to how to do his job and basic legal basics, that he behaves like a spoiled child in public, That he has hired the worst people possible for his cabinet, lawyers and judges, that he is a complete mysoganystic jerk who has cheated on all of his wives, that he cheated everybody he has ever done business with, that he is a very poor manager and has filed for bankruptcy many times, that he has been sued thousands of times, that he is a self confirmed racist, that he knows nothing of science and calls the reality of anthropogenic global warming a hoax, That he wants to sell off our National Parks to the mining and fossil fuel industries. Etc... etc... etc.
Worst president ever!
They don't care because they wanted someone to "shake up Washington and, 'drain' the swamp" but, what we got was a spoiled 5 year old.
A good example of what we got.
There's a simple rule for Trump and lies: "Whenever he vocalizes, assume it's a lie." The rule applies so often that it's safe to use it all the time.
"There's a simple rule for Trump and lies: "Whenever he vocalizes, assume it's a lie." The rule applies so often that it's safe to use it all the time."
That's been petty much the status quo sine day two of his Presidency. I gather he thinks that everyone believes everything he says, when in truth, it is only his base ans supporters that worship every word he spews as the Gospel truth. Those who are capable of thinking for themselves understand that everything he says is nothing but lies and empty rhetoric. Trump would not know the truth if it stung him in his bare azz. He's simple blame it on Obama.
I believe that is the classic Webster's definition of lying.
If Donald Trump claims "Fake News", you are almost certain that what was said was true. His claim of "Fake News" is an attempt to discredit the media when he is criticized.
Sharyl Attkisson in-depth at Hillsdale College the history of fake news, enlighting, well worth the time.
Do you understand the difference between a "mistake" and a "lie"?
Here's what Lesley Stahl had to say about why Trump attacks the media.
I think that might be the only time he ever told the truth
Do you understand the difference between a "mistake" and a "lie"?
I do, mistaking 500 for 1000 could be a mistake.
Mistaking 1,500 for 1000 could be an honest mistake. As could be mistaking 2000 for 1000
Once, however, you find yourself off by 4,500 it becomes a purposeful lie, in my opinion.
If a person's visual acuity is so poor that they are incapable of distinguishing 1000 people from 5,500 I question their ability to report anything needing eyesight to perform said task.
Furthermore, I would not be comfortable with said person sharing the road with me and would suggest a white cane and guide dog so as to help the person navigate daily life in a safe manner.
Maybe if Trump didn't need his ego massaged on a weekly basis by his voters he wouldn't need to schedule campaign rallies. If Obama would have done the same the TEAbags would have been in the streets with pitchforks and torches.
That he could only manage to attract 5000 people is laughable.
Reality is an evil mistress, she is especially cruel to those who would distort her.
He did, just like all Presidents before him.
Year one of Obama's presidency
year two of Obam's presidency.
If Obama would have done the same the TEAbags would have been in the streets with pitchforks and torches.
That's some funny shit there yo. I'm reminded of Young Frankenstein. I'm sure it would have been exactly like that (LOL)
Don't forget about when he tweets.
Oh...
Yesssss.......
Lemme see...
"When he vocalizes, writes, types, ... ... thinks..."
Does he think before he vocalizes, writes, types?
The claim: “I say it, and I say it all the time, we are so respected again. I can’t even tell you — really, the degree to which people respect our country again. It’s amazing. It’s amazing.”
Oh, sure Donald. That's why tourism has dropped 16% since you took office. People are either too scared, too annoyed, or too unimpressed to bother.
The shame and embarrassment ex-pats have had to deal with even before you took office has increased exponentially.
And perhaps most importantly, Don, is that you have managed to alienate the leadership and citizenry of several of our allied countries with your inappropriate behavior, blustering buffoonery, straight-up idiocy, and off-the-chain lack of diplomacy.
Respected again? That you can even say it with a straight face makes us more embarrassed than usual.
Amen, Sister!! Well said indeed. And so very true. Even Lady Liberty hangs her head in shame at what Trump has done to our country's reputation.
When person states, " Words to me dont mean much, it's deeds that matter."
I believe them. I believe that is what they believe and how they operate.
Therefore NO I do NOT believe what trump says.. Ever. I do believe what he does, that's reality. Unfortunately, the only reality I see from trump is when he actually does something.
IMO: Believe this man at your our risk. I certainly don't, he gives me NO reason to believe him fact he shows me otherwise daily.
I never believe anyone who says "Believe me" a lot, and as much as Trump says it, there is no way I would believe him. Lying has been a part of his life for so many years that he lies so much without even giving it a second thought. He knows his base and supporters will believe anything and everything he says, so he does not even thing about the lies he tells.
He is become the biggest liar that has ever occupied the WH, bar none. And History will bear that out. And in today's world, history is not something anyone can hide from, and the bigger the spot light, the harder it is.
The worst part of it all may be that trump himself doesn't see of any of this as what we call liying. I dont believe in his world it is. From his prospective what he does is something else. seriously
perception or mental illness, or distorted thinking, lying or whatever ya want to call it, this behaviour IS TRUMP.
trust that... NO way ! I'd rather build my home on a pile of sand.
I disagree that they believe what Trump says. I think the large majority of his supporters know damn well that Trump is a pathological liar, they just don't care.
Some don't, some probably just overlook it because they want what he seems to want. for now
However you want to word it, his base and supporters will defend anything he says whether or not they believe it. which most will do, especially, when it is backed up by Fox News. Even those who may not actually like Trump will defend him to the death because they want a Republican in the WH so desperately they will take anyone/anything that can do the trick for them. I don't think that many really like him, or even believe in him, they just love the idea of being in control of the WH and all of Congress, thus, controlling the entirety of the whole country. They are living a dream right now and they don't care what Trump does or says. The real world and its consequences has no meaning for them, only their dream. At least while it lasts.
Agreed. It is a real shame that so many do. As it is not just them that will pay the price when Humpty Trumpty falls off their border wall.
ODS play a big role here. Trump's base loves him forever for his birtherism and irrational hatred of anything and everything Obama.
And that is proved here on NT everyday.
I would also like to add "and many other things" to the common Trumpisms. Trump uses the word 'things' a lot because he never has any idea what he's talking about.
I've heard him say 'thing' a lot too. That leaves a lot of room for people to guess what 'thing' he is talking about, as obviously he don't know either.
Well, don't ya know? Trump is talking about the thing that is over by the thing that is next to the thing that is around the corner from the thing that is over there.
And notices how he uses "many, many" a lot.
The man's vocabulary would shame the Spelling Bee contestants
Why do you think his folks sent him off to military school as a child? Trying to break him of the habit? Didn't work.
Shame what a fool and a thief will deliver too fools and thieves.
Well you are correct on the people that do dislike president trump for his agenda. That's a given. However, not every person is going to like every other person to start with and mr trump has some pretty outspoken and rash ways about him which does turn many folks off right from the beginning. You're gonna have that bunch as well. and then there's stuff like this for many of us others:
I had an employer one day tell me to lie to a elderly lady customer about an full exterior paint job I was doing on her home. The employer told me that if she asked I was to tell her I was putting on the second coat of paint when in reality I was putting on the first (and evidently the ONLY coat she was getting).
I looked this man in the face and said "Do Not Ask ME to Lie For You Unless You Want Me to Lie To You". ... He never asked me to lie for him again.
Trump may have not used his ways Against You... Yet, HE may never use HIS ways against You. But HIS WAYS MAY last long after he is gone.
Winning at all cost... has it's cost.
His lips are moving therefore he's lying.
Not quite, Trump did say one thing that was 100% true. See post 6.
OK, one thing that he said is true...1 out of 1 billion...
Trump himself said it best: he could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot someone... and not lose a single supporter.
He is the leader of the tribe, and all members of the tribe must agree with whatever the Leader says or does. Truth and reality are utterly irrelevant.
And that has certainly been proved to be the case here on NT every day.
I've given up wasting my time discussing... anything at all... with our Trumpist members. They are impervious to reality.
Indeed, and they make it almost impossible for anyone else here to have any kind of meaningful conversation or discussion. It seems they are only here to stir the pot and insult others, a they sure don't contribute anything of any value anywhere. Nothing but insults and attacks.
They are on a mission: to control America forever. Destruction of political conversation is an important element of their strategy.
There are 3-4 people on NT who have no interest in a meaningful conversation or debate. Their goal is to disrupt and to attack others.
And yet most of us voted for Hillary. If the election were held today, Hillary would win in a landslide because she is experienced and sane and Trump has proven himself to be neither.
So far right wing hate filled, ignorant, uneducated fascists are what you think this country needs? The Kochs think so which is why they took over the Vine and why the same far right wing corporate shit is happening here. The Kochs and the Heartland Institute can sure afford to hire a few fascists to take down this site as well. Tired of it.
Can refute anti-reality propaganda all day long and then they come back the next day dealing with the same old, long debunked lies.
NT sucks as much as the Vine did at the end, due to poor moderating and allowing the paid Koch bots to take over and ruin it for those of us who would enjoy having a real conversation instead of dealing with the same old Heartland Institute propaganda that we've been dealing with for many years now.
I'll be quitting NT for the same reason I quit the vine.
I agree with you 100%. What I would like to say would likely get me sent to the time-out chair until July 4th, so I won't say it.
The moderators aren't a problem, except to those people who want to ignore the rules and be disruptive.
So where are you going on vacation? Going to leave your computer at home and take a break from the war?
I am so sick of the constant slap fighting. Think I'll be hanging out with NASA NOAA and other science sites where Far right wing propaganda is not allowed.
It's one of the odd things about NT. It's OK to be an asshole, but it's not OK to say of a member who is being an asshole, "You're being an asshole!"
The CoC does not deal with behavior. It is a ritual dance.
So the scientists at NASA and NOAA are rubes?
Yeah....and while you're at it, make sure you can find an echo chamber of like-minded Republican rubes that will applaud everything you say.
History will be unkind to all those stand up for the King of Vulgaria and all his damn stinking lies...
Nope, history will be remember him as one of best presidents of all time. It's not what he says, it's what he gets done.
If you believe that bullshit there is a big olde bridge in Brooklyn NY you must consider buying...
Yep you are correct as long as you dont care what this man says to get his way, and are willing to accept his way of accomplishing it I don't doubt you will follow and support him.
Winning at all cost has never been OK with me. There is too much damage done to others doing things that way most of the time for me to approve of that type of moving forward.
I was raised to say what you mean and to stand behind what you say. That type of interaction is becoming more rare each day IMO with a leader doing the opposite that will increase.
What kind of perplexes me is just how many conservative people are seemingly willing to abandon their own principles enough to follow a person with these characteristics. I guess many justify it by "Winning at all costs,"
To each their own
It seems, to this essentially independent voter, that the Democrats are willing to do whatever it takes to regain power or relevance. No one is displaying more evidence of "win at any and all costs" than all the left wingers these days. They are still trying to overturn the last election rather than win any in the future. They are in the process of destroying themselves and their party and alienating their long time supporters. They are succeeding very well at this.
I agree so the democrats dont really concern me at this point. I'm more concerned with those who currently have the power and how they use it.
In fact I figured out some time back that if the democratic party doesn't come up with some new upcoming "superstar" politicians soon and instead keep trying to run the same old reruns they were in serious trouble.
At this time the liberals and democrats have very little power to do any "damage" to either myself or the country as I see it. So they dont concern me.
That's not the case with trump. His "win at all cost." attitude scares me for the long term future of our country. I've always said I dont doubt trumps intent to help America, I just dont agree with his ways or means of achieving much of anything. That hasn't changed. I don't expect for me that it will.
That is an apt description for both parties, realistically. Both parties are fracturing. Which is actually not such a terrible thing. It's been long overdue.
History is written by the victors
- Winston Churchill
And Trump is winning bigly
Yup... which means America is losing bigly. But hey!
Trump's lies? I assume we have all disregarded the realism of 'alternative facts' already?
We are in a brave new world where courage is discouraged, truth is an opinion and an opinion by a huckster is more convenient than truth.
An aside and off topic. The investigations into 'this guy' has surpassed a year. I honestly thought it would take a week to hang him on money laundering or something. A year has passed and he still stands. I fear the opportunity has slipped away. The Putsch was the Electoral College. Live with the consequences. "You will bow and kneel," the Omarosa. Acquiesce. Admit that a Democratic Republic and The American Constitution always possessed a fatal flaw.
American democracy has been dead since Citizens United. But the zombie of American democracy is still shuffling along, so most folks still haven't figured out that the awful thing that stinks like death is indeed... dead.
You have exposed one of the fatal flaws. Citizens United and its approval by The Supreme Court.
Your opinion on this subject, and all others, is so-o-o-o precious to me!
Given GOP control of Congress that was overly optimistic. But if the GOP gets walloped in November things could turn around fast once Trump becomes a liability to them.
Unfortunately, if the congress changes control in the Fall and legitimate indictments are warranted for Trump-----it is very likely that Trump will seize the opportunity to invoke martial law and foment violence through his supporters.
Trump is this evil. His heart is hate. His mind is fear. His soul is deceit.
What's the old Chinese curse? Something like "May you live in interesting times"?
Seriously though - would you want to miss out on the greatest impeachment trial in the history of the universe, followed by martial law, anarchy, and flesh-eating zombies?
Oooops,
Got a better one. When will this 'current GOP' reach the point where it is------( just one Russian oligarch too many? )
Came from Alex Jones InfoWars. See, you never pay attention.
What ever. Trump likes him. And believes him too. Has even spoke with Jones on the Oval Office telephone on several occasions. Yep, ( Rubes ) does indeed have a nice fit in some situations.
Trump likes him.
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It's bad enough that trump has told over 3,000 lies since taking office, but, even worse is the fact that most of his supporters believe every effing word that trumptard says.
In other words he is a fucking retard, but what else is new?
Article locked in the absence of the seeder for the last 48 hours and the preponderance of flagged comments,
due to slap fights and lastworditus contests.
Thanks SP, I'm back and, am dealing with it now. I'll lock it again when I go offline.