The distinction between Barr and Bee
This past week saw a few explosive comments from what sadly passes for "comedians" is this day and age. The first came from Roseanne Barr who made a vile racist tweet, Tuesday:
In a response to a comment about Jarrett, Barr had said: "Muslim brotherhood & planet of the apes had a baby=vj."
http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/30/media/roseanne-barr-tweets/index.html
ABC was quick to cancel her show, the highly profitable "Roseanne".
That was followed by wanna be comedian Samantha Bee who used her show "Full Frontal" to call out Ivanka Trump. “You know, Ivanka, that's a beautiful photo of you and your child but let me just say, one mother to another, do something about your dad's immigration practices you feckless c***,” Bee said. “He listens to you. Put on something tight and low cut and tell your father to f****** stop it. Tell him it was an Obama thing and see how it goes, OK.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/samantha-bee-ivanka-trump-apos-090430196.html
"TBS also released a statement: “Samantha Bee has taken the right action in apologizing for the vile and inappropriate language she used about Ivanka Trump last night. Those words should not have been aired. It was our mistake too, and we regret it.”
There are those who see a double standard in the way the two incidents were handled. Both women had made obscene remarks yet one had her show immediately cancelled and the other got off with an "apology";
Samantha Bee apologized for using the offensive word on Thursday afternoon. In a statement, she said: “I would like to sincerely apologize to Ivanka Trump and to my viewers for using an expletive on my show to describe her last night,” Bee said. “It was inappropriate and inexcusable. I crossed a line, and I deeply regret it.”
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/samantha-bee-invanka-trump-c-word-164012040.html
At first glance, it does seem to be the old double standard of liberals controlling the media and imposing higher standards on Conservatives. I think there is a bit more at play in this case. Each of us has a view of what is intolerable and we rate each transgression by severity. I suppose for most murder would be at the top of the list with genocide being most egregious. From there we go down the list until we come to vile insults such as these. One involving racism, the other a heinous insult of a man's daughter, which went on to imply incest. Tough call on which was most disgusting.
On the other hand, I think I understand why ABC took such immediate action and TBS let it go with an apology, which came a day later. It's not necessarily that old liberal double standard. Nope, it is the way progressives rate such offenses. To a progressive there is nothing worse than racism. That would include what Joseph Stalin did to his own people. Nope, there is nothing worse. When you see yourself as the defender of equality, which you perceive to be a constant daily battle, it becomes very reasonable that Barr crossed the brightest of red lines, while Bee fell short.
Do you doubt it?
Just listen to the liberal rhetoric and judge for yourself
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Chris Matthews response to the Tea Party: "Do they still count blacks as 3/5ths?"
Probably closer to 1/5 in the eyes of most tea trash.
I could explain to you how the abolitionists and the Republicans before the Civil War actually wanted black slaves to not count as people at all for census purposes and how slave owning Democrats wanted full recognition of their non voting slaves to inflate the Souths representation in Congress, but I don't want to be here all day.
We don't want to sit here and remind you all day that all those racist democrats of the last couple of centuries are now republicans either. But if I need to post links about our history, consider it done.
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George Wallace and Robert Byrd became Republicans? Who knew?
No, they're actually not. And the reason is that being Democrat or Republican is not primarily about race. It's more about philosophies of governing. What has been absolutely true over the last five decades is that the Democrat party has employed racism (identity politics) as a political tactic. In spite of bipartisan legislation like the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (supported by over 80% of Republicans but only 2/3 of Democrats) and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (again supported by a greater percentage of Republicans compared to Democrats), the Democrat party has had good success convincing people of color that Republicans hate them. How? For one thing, Republicans have almost always opposed things like welfare, socialized medicine, and federal control over local programs - things the Democrats like to sell to minorities. They even managed to convince black people that it was Republicans who were drafting them into Vietnam - even though it was Democrats who blew that war up and a Republican who ended it.
But have Democrat policies lifted up people of color? When you consider crime and poverty rates in Democrat controlled areas, it's hard to make that argument.
And spare me the myth of the Southern Strategy. The truth is the racist South continued to be reliably Democrat well into the 1990s. Only as the 21st century dawned and racism finally began to decline in the South has the Republican party started winning elections there. Don't believe me? Check the history of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s and see who the South voted for in presidential and congressional elections. See who they voted for in state elections. It's almost solid Democrat all the way through.
Sure. That's why the most conservative justice on the Supreme Court is a black man. That's why the HUD Secretary is a black man (and former Tea Party candidate for president). That's why the first black Secretary of State was appointed by a Republican. That's why the first black National Security Advisor was appointed by a Republican. That's why the junior Senator (and House Rep before that) from the southern state of South Carolina is a black man (and proud Tea Partier). Go ahead tolerant leftists: Show us how anti-racist you are and call them all Uncle Tom!
The proof is in the pudding. Her comedy is weak.
Bee’s show has been struggling, falling ratings for the better part of a year. Now after this stunt she is losing even more advertisers. Her gambit and that’s all her c word stunt was, a planned stunt to gain relevance, failed. Her show is in a death spiral and this last screwup is the final turn before it gets sucked down the drain permanently.
On the other hand I wouldn’t be surprised to see Roseanne back at some point. Time will tell.
She'll be the new diversity expert on FOX News.
Ooooo, sorry for you:
ROSEANNE' REBOOT DISCUSSIONS Centered Around Sara Gilbert
A picture is worth a thousand words:
If ABC decides to have "Roseanne" without Roseanne then they are more incompetent than I thought.
I'm going to dress up in drag and play her, my agent almost has it finalized!
Well, I guess then at least you'll be employed...
I'm sure they'd welcome your programming advice----
Cancelling a high rated show over a tasteless comment vs TBS keeping a show nobody watches and is losing sponsors over another tasteless comment? I don't think I have to be a programming genius to see the difference there.
You mean cancelling a show over a RACIST comment, while keeping another show over a TASTELESS comment. You do understand the difference between the 2 don't you???
1 was a comment addressing a race of people, while the other was addressing 1 particular person. Before you pull more deflections out, you have to realize that Rosanne has used that "comparison" before towards other black people, making it more than a simple insult.
The show is not called "Darlene."
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The fact remains Roseanne has legs, Full Frontal doesn’t. Bee reminds me of Triumph the insult dog ..... mildly amusing in small doses but no legs ..... just a sock puppet.
They don't. You summed it up perfectly.
Racism has no socially redeeming quality, it has ZERO benefit.
Bee's comment, while uncalled for, crude and disgusting was still just a comment made for comedic value.
It truly is sad that the right wing is defending Barr's clearly racist comment, while slamming Bee at the same time. Bee deserves the criticism, no doubt of it, but to say that her comment is somehow worse than Barr's blatantly racist comment is absolutely stupid.
When Barr made her comment, trump didn't say a word, and STILL hasn't said that she was wrong, but within 5 minutes of Bee making her comment, trump was all over her for it. Ranting and raving, saying she should be fired and her show canceled...
But......people say trump isn't a racist? Pfffftttt LOL
So using your logic HBO should have immediately fired Bill Maher for his insidious racist comments and use of the "n word".
No mainstream conservatives defend Roseannes comment. Plenty of liberals however are knocking themselves out in the defense of sexism.
Who is defending sexism? Grab'em by the pussy" guy?
Misogyny?
Changing the subject? The title of this article is:
The Distinction Between Barr And Bee
You want to compare Maher? Start another article.
OMG!!!!!
I actually agree with you on this one thing.
.....I feel a little ill now......
And Samantha Bee would say the same about Ivanka.
Double standards much?
Not saying Trump was right or anything, but fathers do react that way to protect their children. That is the ONLY reason I would cut Trump a break in defending his daughter.
Although he has never shown any paternal instinct toward his children, I know that I would react with anger first upon hearing my daughters getting attacked like that. Again, not saying his reaction was correct or justified, just that it may have been a knee jerk reaction like any father may have toward protecting his family.
Tell it to Norman.
That was the point of my post. Sorry you seem to have missed that.
Well the cunt Ivanka isn't so smart, she doesn't even know what the word complicit means.
Isn't it grand watching all the misogynist republicans getting their knickers in a twist about an insult they actively used for years!
I remember when calling any woman a C***t instantly identified one as a misogynist.
Well the cunt Ivanka
But I see we have "progressed" past that. Foward, every forward comrade!
I'm shocked, SHOCKED your not a fan.
One insult not enough? Had to get a second one in there eh? Must be a slow day on the home front.
The only real difference to the media is if the person is a conservative Trump supporter or not. Bee can be as demeaning to women as she wants, Joy Reid can be homophobic and lie about her own words and Bill Maher can drop the "N word" with little complaint. It seems the only line you can't cross is to emulate Isis and hold up the bloody head of the President. Even then you get to have your career back after a few months.
While your crying in your cheap beer might want to consider your Scumbagogarbage "president's" pardon of the horrible fascits, racist slug Dinesh D'Souza. Life sooooo unfairrrrrrrrrrrr, right?
Yeah, I'm sure a legal immigrant from India and a person of color like D'Souza would have been right at home in Nazi Germany....
Why do you dishonestly put words in people's mouths?
I detest racist, fascist scumbags regardless of skin color. Skirting the CoC [ph]
That's the first true thing you've ever said. Well done.
That was actually sarcasm and if you believe the Nazis would've accept D'Souza then you really need to brush up on your history.
It's all they've got, Sandy. And it's a game that can be turned back on them. You'd think they'd have learned something by now but learning doesn't seem to be in their wheelhouse.
Based on what?
What opposition did he forcibly suppress with his dictatorial power?
It's a question along the lines of "when did you stop beating your wife?" The question contains a malicious lie.
Nazis had/have all sorts of sympathizers/collaborators of various colors all over the planet. The ethnic Slavs of the countries the Nazis seized were considered inferior people suitable for enslavement by their Aryan superiors but before doing that Nazis many were more than happy to be useful to them by helping exterminate Jews in those countries.
Being vulgar is equal to being a racist trumpster?
Misogyny is merely vulgar to you?
Being a misogynist is equal to being a racist trumpster?
It wasn't misogyny. Nobody said all women were cunts. Samantha Bee said Ivanka was. One woman. I'm not fond of the use of that word, but it was applied to one woman, because of Samantha Bee's perception of her behavior, not all women, just because they're women.
Calling a person of African descent an "ape" is an insult to their race, just because they're of African descent, not because of their individual behavior.
Exactly what behavior justified calling Ivanka the c word and insinuating incest with her father? The fact she sent out a photo of her and her child? Do images of motherhood trigger liberals that badly?
The photo didn't bother me, and I think people are overreacting.
Playing innocent and pretending to advocate for women while pandering to her father's misogyny might earn her the name among people who use it. Playing persecuted when her father uses his position to benefit her businesses might, too, as might her use of sweatshop labor while pretending to be the kind, gentle Trump. Looking the other way when her father calls anti-semitic white supremacists "fine people" when her own husband and children are Jewish might, too.
Just a few ideas why some people might not see her in a positive light.
As for the incest thing - that's Trump's problem, really, the fact that he has said disgusting things about his own daughter. I probably wouldn't have gone there, but Ivanka doesn't seem to awfully upset by her father's statements, just by others pointing out how creepy they are. That's a bit sad, really, that neither she nor his supporters see a problem there.
The Trump family is a crime family. They have conned and cheated and bribed people all over the world. Ivanka is right in the middle of it. They are lucky that such immoral activities are considered "part of doing business" and so white collar crime is rarely prosecuted and when it is the penalties are "fines" usyally and not prison sentences.
The one thing Ivanka has going for her is her looks, she is an unusually good looking woman. Other than that she reminds me of Gwyenth Paltrow, another beautiful young woman of privilege who eventually gained notoriety for marketing her self-centeredness and upscale lifestyle as a brand to be admired and emulated.
I prefer to admire people who are more in touch with the real world.
Might possibly be her scumbag father's own words. He's said publicly that he think she's hot and would have "dated" her and even told Stormy that she reminded him of Ivanka right before he fucked her. No wonder you thinks he's a "greeat" man.
Trump was hiring women in management positions in the eighties when other companies still had glass ceilings. The mysogyny thing has been so overplayed by the left while they still defend the bad behavior of the Clintons and the Kennedys. So has the "fine people" remark. Trump was obviously referring to the 66% of the entire country that said Confederate monuments should be left alone. If Trump had really meant neo Nazis were fine people everyone from Jared Kushner to Netanyahu would've abandoned him and Alan Dershowitz wouldn't be on tv defending him.
So? He has no problem hiring women who can bring in a profit. Doesn't mean he likes or respects them.
I don't see anybody defending misogynistic behavior by the Kennedys or Clintons. Consensual sex is not misogyny. Seeing women as objects whose genitals one can grab without consent if one is rich enough is misogyny.
And yes, there are Trump supporters who have still stood with him, despite his support for white supremacy and anti-semitism, same as some still stand by him after he refused to lease to black tenants. They stand something to gain from doing so. Kushner benefits from nepotism. Ben Carson, for example, benefits by being placed in a job for which he was completely unqualified. They're sycophants. That means they'll put up with a lot, so long as they think they'll benefit in the end.
I seriously doubt Mary Jo gave her consent to be left to die when Ted Kennedy drove her off a bridge or Paula Jones actually wanted Bill Clinton to expose himself to her. So far we have absolutely no proof Trump ever did anything to any woman without her consent. Even the Access Hollywood tape (which isn't proof of anything anyway) had Trump saying "they let you" have sex with them if you're a celebrity.
Did Ted Kennedy leave Mary Jo because he hated women? No.
And the Paula Jones thing - well, that's a he said, she said. Clinton was a horndog, but I've never heard any proof that he was engaged in sexual assault.
"I just start kissing. I don't even wait." Doesn't sound like consent to me, or like the women "letting" him do anything.
I find it amusing, but unsurprising, that you take Paula Jones' words as proof of Clinton's alleged crimes, but don't accept Trump's own words about himself as similar proof.
Are Franken and Weiner still holding office?
Is Harvey Weinstein still making films?
She said.
His misogyny is manifested in other ways. Pussy-grabbing, for example. His being willing to profit from women's work is not proof that he isn't a misogynist, as it was offered up to be.
Nice spin. Nonetheless, you are wrong. They were both personal insults based on sex or race.
One insults one's race. The other insults one's behavior. I'm not surprised that some people would rather not see the nuance.
Being female is behavior now? I'd say that gender is as much of a basic identity as race is, if not more so. And Paula Jones isn't he said/ she said because he paid $850,000 dollars to make her go away.
No. Being complicit is.
Settlement money paid to Paula Jones is not an admission of guilt. Still he said, she said.
Careful, Norman, or you'll open up the door for anybody who ever had a problem with a black POTUS to be considered racist because they were hateful toward just one black man.
I was against Obama's Bushian 'surge' in Afghanistan without being called a racist.
I STRONGLY opposed his caving on letting the Bush tax cuts expire, and was calling him 'Oballess' for months after that without being called a racist.
And if their disagreement was based in his policies, that was wrong.
Same as calling Samantha Bee a misogynist based on her opposition to Ivanka Trump's behavior. It was vulgar, and IMO uncalled for, but it was not misogynistic. It wasn't because she's a woman.
Had Stormy filed a lawsuit before she had the check in hand?
Frankly, I don't care if he had sex with Stormy Daniels. I do care if he broke campaign finance laws, and I care if Russia provided the money. That's pretty close to bribery in my book.
We both know that it's used as an insult against one race in particular. To pretend not to know that is just that - pretense. Deliberate obtuseness.
I see. You didn't personally know them, so they didn't exist.
Mmmhmmm.
Is it? I suppose doing it in public is a crime no matter who sees it but is taking off your clothes in a private space a crime--as long as no attempt at physical contact or attempt to bar the exits really a crime? Show us the legal source you used to make that determination.
There is no double standard. What there is, is a realization on the left that you have to fight fire with fire. The Democrats now understand that they can no longer fall on their swords but rather they need to pick it up and be prepared to use it.
Taking the high road or doing the right thing for the good of the country no longer works when you are dealing with a faction of people who are the worst of the worst. These supporters are not interested in doing the right thing. They are only interested in winning. They no longer believe in truth, they believe in consipiracy theories. It's pathetic how stupid our country has become.
We need to split the country up. I'm pro Civil War 2.0.
Still the party of secession
You must think you're invisible or that we've never met you.
The Democrats have NEVER taken the high road. They just don't like Trump because they know he acts like a liberal but supports conservative causes.
Republicans wouldn't even know where to look for that road. They're out in the swamp of their own making and couldn't find their way out if they were led.
what the hell does that mean?
I'm sick of the Democrats never fighting back too, and Ivanka Trump IS a feckless cunt.
What we're learning about Ivanka is she is very much her father's daughter. She talks a big game and presents herself as an advocate for women but she's merely a fictional character on her father's reality show.
The outrage on the right falls short. They don't have a moral platform to stand on when they've cheered and applauded the man in the White House.
The Trump supporter is the epitome of the saying "When you stand for nothing, you fall for everything". They refused to make him accountable time after time so now they have no credibility when they may have a point.
The best criticism of that remark is that Bee used "feckless" incorrectly. Although Sally Field (yes! the Flying Nun) had this criticism:
Why don't you just call her feckless? Why do you need to use the other word? And why that word in particular? You're literally attacking her for her sex.
Very good PJ, but what do you really think, lol.
In a nut shell - I blame every single President Trump supporter for the tone in the country and the policies coming out of this White House.
They're refusal to hold him to certain standards and common courtesies is the reason why this outrage and condemnation is laughable. They've allowed the tone to reach this level through their blind acceptance of EVERYTHING said and done by this White House.
This is soley the Trump Supporter's fault.
You are ABSOLUTELY correct PJ.
Trump is a problem. Frankly, he is worthless as a human being. That he is also president of the United States is horrifying.
But the basic problem is his supporters. They are the lifeblood of the plague of Trumpism, and they have to be defeated. That is all there is to it.
Trump is merely the spoiled child that get's whatever he wants and the Trump supporter is the parent that makes excuses for his bad behavior.
Children always push the limit to see what they can get away with. The parents are supposed to set guidelines and be "examples" of what is acceptable.
What's most frightening to me is that these Trump supporters have been breeding. You know what they say - ignorance breeds ignorance.
The Trump supporter is who I blame.
"But the basic problem is his supporters. They are the lifeblood of the plague of Trumpism, and they have to be defeated. That is all there is to it."
Well, I guess if Hillary calling Trump supporters "deplorables" didn't work the first time, then why not recycle it for every future election? I myself look forward to seeing who will succeed Mike Pence in the 2032 election.
That is hilarious cooming from a supporter of the election loser and her other minions who have been whining and crying and throwing a hissy fit tantrums for the last 18+months about how it was everybody and everythings fault but the two time loser herself that she lost .Again.
You're speaking foolish. How do you know who I voted for? If you were around NT at the time of the election then you would know the answer to that rather than speculating and making false allegations.
Your post reinforces my claim that Trump supporters are more focused on making excuses for this President's bad behavior.
As I said in my earlier post, I blame Trump supporters for the tone and the policies coming out of this White House.
What does any of that have to do with this story?
I'm insulted!!!!
I would NEVER have voted for Bernie Sanders. He's a socialist. He wanted go give everything away for free.
I will choose what charities I will contribute towards. I work too hard for my money.
Are you envoking the Bart Simpson defense?
Your post has nothing to do with this article at all, not even close and you posted that same garbage on at least three other articles I have seen.
then why are gas prices rising again? I'm paying 50 cents more than I was last year at this time
I'll say what I tell my pack of dogs before I leave each day, "Don't tear up my house and dont kill each other, we all need to share this space and no one's going anywhere."
They listen and seem to understand. To bad some humans don't cause "United we stand, divided we fall" isn't just a cute old saying, it's the truth.
America has always been a great country , lets try to keep it that way shall we ? dividing us up weakens us as a nation. But politicians and the media profit and gain power from it.
As "we the people " We need to reunite ourselves but instead I see the opposite happening at this time. I wish America good luck because I think too many of us take this country and our freedoms for granted. All this in-fighting between Americans isn't strenthing America, its weakening us as the politicians and media profit and gain power over us. Divide and conquer... its working.
I research every candidate from all political parties and try to vote for the best qualified for each office. That's how I believe we get a better country by electing better qualified people to run the government.
Unfortunately, on this last election I saw NO candidate I wanted as my new president.
I disagree. We are not united so why pretend.
As far as the dog analogy. Let's not forget dogs are animals and they will attack if threatened. No matter what you tell them before you leave, add an outside dynamic to the mix and you can't predict what they would do.
I'm not advocating for anyone to "pretend" I think we should honestly make an effort to reunite as citizens for the good of the country.
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Add an outside dynamic to the mix (like another World War) and you'd see America unite rather quickly Id say.
For now, divide us to the point of a civil war and we open ourselves up to outside invasion like never before except for the last civil war.
All out Civil war in America... NO Thanks
We got along well enough for 241 years why trash the constitution and the country now ? This time shall pass.
It would be nice to think that almost all Americans are against corrupt, self-serving government, but, sadly, Trump has proven that only about 55% are.
I'm sorry Steve but I cannot compromise my principals. This country no longer stands for what I believe in. I'm okay with the country imploding.
That suggests moral bankruptcy.
Donald Trump embodies moral bankruptcy...like no other president before him, including Nixon.
Good afternoon C. I figured you'd eventually show up.
My position is a great example of what the republican position seems to be these days. I'm cutting my losses. Who cares who get's phucked over as long as I win, right? Isn't that the new republican.
I'm actually thinking about turning in my Independent voter status and going full out republican. Phuck the country. It's about ME ME ME ME ME.
The country became morally bankrupt at the election of this President.
Then Putin has indeed accomplished his purpose with his Trump puppet.
You'd have to be completely detached to not already see that. Trump supporters have allowed this man to tear this country apart by refusing to hold him accountable. If Trump is a puppet then his followers are the strings that Putin controls to manipulate this President.
Excellent analogy PJ.
One thing I think you're missing (in regards to whether civil war is a good idea) is that reactionary periods always follow periods of progress, so at least on that level even the fluke of Trump's election wasn't a big shocker. The fact that 40% support him isn't shocking either particularly given his racist, homophobic, misogynistic, Islamophobic and xenophobic views. But the reality is that the morons who support Trump have always been a part of America and in the end they've always been on the losing side of history. They'll lose again this time even without a war.....don't forget that these are the folks who are so marginal in job skills, in intellect and in self-esteem that they're threatened by women and minorities having the same rights they enjoy. These are the folks who are just barely smart enough to realize that they can't compete on a level playing field.
Trump was flirting with 45 just recently. We all knew these types were around us, but most of us had no idea it was almost half the country. I sure never did, thought it was about half the Republicans, 20-25% of the country maybe. How can almost half the country support a total basket case like Trump?
Yes....and the biggest filer of that bankruptcy is the Party of Trump, formerly known as the Republican Party.
He has admitted he has cheated on all three of his wives, and you think he has the moral high ground? LMFAO!!!! "Praise Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Case closed. The Deplorables are at peak delusion.
For one, the discourse and tone of the country. I'm sure you're on here everyday. I don't come on here because I find it depressing trying to have a conversation with Trump supporters. I already know that there is nothing this President can do that will draw ire from his supporters. I'm really not trying to insult you but it's just the truth. You don't seem to care about morals and treating others with respect. Knowing this makes it impossible to respect or trust you.
wait... are those the same people who thought America was terrible and wanted Trump to make America Great Again because they thought America sucked and weren't proud of their country ?
You and I define "positive" differently. There is no success this President could acheive that is worth my soul. I am not for sale.
You celebrate short term wins and ignore the long lasting devastation they may cause.
I have to ask.....how do you decipher which lies are acceptable to turn a blind eye to? Does character no longer count?
What principals do you stand on?
Well if what you say is true then your principals are in direct contrast to your blind support of this President. You seem to be adopting the same communication style as this President and his Administration. I'll let you figure out what that style is ( hint: to mislead intentionally, to fabricate).
That's the spirit, PJ!
so are you admitting you were a non-patriot and hated America before Trump ? were you upset over the Michelle Obama "scandal" of her being proud of America ?
You don’t have the slightest fucking clue what you’re asking for. Not really.
Study up on the First Civil War before you make dumb comments like that. We lost almost 2.5% of our population to that one.
That would be about 8 million people today. Careful what you ask for.
Some liberals apparently want to wallow in the blood of their neighbors.
I know exactly what I'm asking for. Sometimes it takes a tragic event. We are at odds and we have no leadership that is interested in bringing us togther. Trump followers and supporters are not interested in co-existence.
Okay, taken at face value, perhaps there is no hope for you. Luckily most know better.
Funny how you didn't address my full comment. You are the reason why I have no hope.
Nah .....you only have yourself to blame.
Stop blaming others for your own failings
Why am I not surprised that a Trump supporter blames everyone else for Trump. No wonder you are so enthralled with him - he's a reflection of you. smh
Reference 6.8.5, rinse and repeat as required
Well - I gotta go workout so I'll have to catch up with you later. Cheers
Yeah I know ..... haters gotta hate though ..... that’s all they got
As long as they are conservatives, I am all for it.
Its comments like this that pretty much assure their will be no reasonable discussion on topics like this. And if that is how you really feel, i suggest you don't act on it, as you will lose.
Take it to the bank.
Rosanne's comments were obviously racist and critical of millions of mixed race Americans. Samantha Bee's comments were crass, but critical of only two people, Ivanka and her piece of shit father and his reckless immigration policy of ripping children away from their parents even when they are legally asking for asylum.
The other thing to consider is Samantha Bee is Canadian, where the use of the "C" word is far more prevalent much like it is in the UK. The Brits and likely many Canadians are thinking "What the feck is the big deal?". I thought the best part of her joke that was more stinging was the "Put on something tight and low cut and tell your father to f****** stop it." bit inferring what we all know about Trump and his desire to bang his daughter.
These two comments are worlds apart. Rosanne showed her nasty bigoted white supremacist Trump supporter side, while Sam Bee pointed out what an irresponsible weak sycophant Ivanka is for claiming to be a champion of women's rights but staying silent as children are torn away from their mothers.
It's just amazing the lengths liberals will go to justify sexism and other ills when it's one of their own accused. But this is the same mindset that considered sexual assault to be "mock groping" when it involved Al Franken.
When it's a photo of someone clearly NOT touching the other person and obviously done in jest, albeit poor taste, that is the very definition of "mock".
Mock: adjective - not authentic or real, but without the intention to deceive.
The right wing nut jobs lost their minds over an intentionally staged photo taken with multiple other people in the room. Should he have joked like that? No, it was certainly in bad taste, but to claim it was sexual assault is just mind-numbingly stupid.
Can you honestly say you'd have the same opinion if it had been Trump in the photo instead? I almost wish somebody had leaked that photo with Trumps face photoshopped in to get all the outrage from the left and then dropped the real photo on them. It would've been priceless.
And yet your vote helped to put a self-admitted sexual predator, racist scumbag, ignorant pig and all around POS into the WH.
"And yet your vote helped to put a self-admitted sexual predator, racist scumbag, ignorant pig and all around POS into the WH."
I'm pretty sure I didn't vote to make Bill Clinton the First Dude to Hillary.
I knew you'd try that worn-out old brain-dead stunt. It failed again as it has the thousands of times before.
Yes, without a doubt I would have said the same. It's obviously a joke photo where he's not touching her. I would have said it was in bad taste, but certainly not proof of any sexual assault like his own words were claiming he doesn't "even wait" for consent and just grabs women "by the pussy". The supposedly morally superior conservative right elected a sick pervert and sexual predator who has at least 19 credible accusers and has verified some of their accounts himself such as the six underage girls at the Miss Teen Universe confirming he walked in on them while they were undressing. What Franken did was inappropriate, what Trump did was sick and criminal. In fact I happen to believe the woman who says he raped her when she was 13 along with Jeffrey Epstein who was a close friend of Trump and was running an underage prostitution ring. Just because the judge dismissed the case because she didn't have any physical evidence 17 years later doesn't mean it didn't happen. Trump got away with the rape of a child and is a demented sick fuck. He's even said on multiple occasions he'd be dating his daughter if he weren't her father. As a parent of two daughters his words were outrageous and reprehensible, no father talks about their daughters body that way.
"Trump has called his eldest daughter “voluptuous”. He’s said it’s OK to describe her as “a piece of ass”, though she is a senior executive in his business empire. And he’s said that, if she wasn’t his daughter, “perhaps [he’d] be dating her”. He bragged to Howard Stern about his then-22-year-old daughter’s body, saying: “You know who’s one of the great beauties of the world, according to everybody? And I helped create her. Ivanka." “My daughter, Ivanka. She’s 6 feet tall, she’s got the best body." “Let me tell you one thing: Ivanka is a great, great beauty. Every guy in the country wants to go out with my daughter. But she’s got a boyfriend.”
Trump: “My daughter is beautiful, Ivanka." (notice he clarifies he wasn't talking about Tiffany? What a douche)
Stern: “By the way, your daughter…”
Trump: “ - she’s beautiful"
Stern: “Can I say this? A piece of ass.”
Trump: “Yeah.”
But he's the champion of the right wing and all his white supremacist supporters agree with him, they want to bang his daughter as much as he does. Frankly I'm almost saddened that there is no hell for these pieces of shit to burn in.
Poor norman.. LOL
As Meghan mccardle wrote in the Post, It’s not principles, it’s tribalism.
Under no circumstances would the same people who are falling over themselves to justify bee calling a woman a cunt have accepted a host using their national television platform to call Chelsea Clinton that.
Anyone who pretends otherwise is just demonstrating their lack of principles.
Does anybody ever admit to being a sexual predator?
Didn't he brag about walking into the dressing rooms at a teen beauty pageant, knowing the girls were undressed?
I'd say a peeping Tom is a sexual predator.
Roseanne's comment..
Where is the criticism of 'millions of mixed race Americans' …..? The Muslim Brotherhood is a political / faith based group that for all practical purposes are supporters of terrorism and the planet of the apes does not exist … the comment can be interpreted as racist, yet only insults one individual ... Valerie Jarrett ...
I am only acting as devils advocate to show that both women made vile comments and neither needs be defended as the lesser of evils (in my opinion) …
I am so looking forward to the next shiny object to catch the medias attention .. this subject has been beat to death!
On the basis of her race, which lumps all other individuals of the same race into the target of the insult.
No. She wasn't calling all women cunts. Just Ivanka, on the basis of her behaviour.
When you insult someone based on their race, that implies that all members of that race are deserving of the insult, on the basis of race, rather than behavior.
Which as I stated in my original comment, is an interpretation of Roseanne's comment … is being Muslim a race or a religion? AS for apes well, we all get it - yet still becomes subject to each individuals interpretation...
I never said anything about Muslim.
If you get it about apes, then what don't you get? If everything is always open to "interpretation", nobody can be held accountable for anything. I know that suits some people just fine, but those same people would then need to STFU about Samantha Bee. Maybe she interprets "cunt" as a term of endearment.
I guess it wouldn't be, to you, but based on past conversations, I'll accept my own assessment of the logic over yours.
Most black people recognize that when one black person is compared to an ape just because they're black, that is an insult to the black race in general.
Most women recognize that when one woman is called a cunt because she behaves in a manner that invites criticism, women in general are not being insulted. That one woman is, and the basis of the insult is her behavior, not her sex.
Never said a word about S Bee .. she may very well interpret cunt as a term of endearment - as Roseanne's may interpret Planet of the Apes as a great movie...
As Samantha Bee is not being held accountable?
Whether or not I 'implied or admitted' that I understand an alleged meaning .. it is still open to individual interpretation, and that interpretation may not be what one intended to project .. intent of these 2 women's comments are being interpreted and blamed placed per that interpretation … it is rather hard to prove ones intent...
As I stated in my original comment..
Interpret my words as you will...
Have a nice day
The spin is strong in this one.
For what should Samantha Bee be held accountable? Insulting someone? Like that never happens. None of the Trump family has ever insulted anyone, and if they did (surely they didn't, though), they have always been held accountable, right?
Maybe not.
Insulting one person's behavior, even with a pretty vulgar word, is, to most people, a lesser evil than insulting an entire race, repeatedly.
I don't try to explain away Samantha Bee's insult as open to "interpretation". It was a vile insult, better not used. But I think it's disingenuous to try to explain away Rosanne's insult of an entire race as open to "interpretation".
Yeah okay … yet, your whole comment is based on either your interpretation, or the medias interpretation regarding a comment .. if it is not interpretation, then it is something akin to justification of ones view or perception that Samantha only insulted Ivanka … As opposed to Roseanne insulting Valerie Jarret (?) which then became a sweeping generalization that the insult was 'intended' to encompassing a whole race of people....?
I surrender, somedays I forget when something is viewed a certain way, it then becomes some kind of 'fact' to be run with -
My flowerbeds are screaming my name … once again have a nice day...
Creatively and dishonestly editing my quote, Norman?
Her problem was that the insult she chose has a very long history of being used to demean an entire group of people and justify mistreating them. I don't know if she meant it that way or not, I am not a mind reader, but if she didn't realize it would be interpreted that way immediately then she should have been fired for being so fucking stupid. There is no good way to defend Barr here, the best you can say is she is a moron. When that is the best defense someone can give you, you have really fucked up.
It's no surprise that PigidentScumptyDumpty has been very fond of the C-word for a long time:
Forget Samantha Bee—Donald Trump Has Called Women ‘C*nt’ for 30 Years
[What I love about that pic is that it's also reminiscent of the Three Stooges except this is just One Stooge at various stages of his despicable life]
As they say, context matters a lot There's some very good analysis here (the entire article at the link is worth reading):
Ok, I guess I have a confession to make here. I routinely refer to MSNBC's Kasey Hunt as Tasty- well, you know!
The distinction is this, Barr's tweet was racist and corporate America has become rather sensitive to that sort of thing. Bee was basically calling Ivanka a bitch for supporting her father as he has families split up and children taken from their parents at the border while parading around her relationship with her son. Even if Barr wasn't trying to be racist, she is a fucking idiot for not realizing that tweet would of course be interpreted that way.
Some folks either know and won't admit it, or are so blinded by their biases that they'll never know.
I don't like what Samantha Bee said, and I really think people are overreacting to the picture which seems to have brought it about. But Ivanka does engage in some pretty unethical and tone deaf behavior. Calling her out on it is in no way an insult to all women, though.
People got pretty sick of being called racist for their opposition to Obama. Those who opposed his policies were right to be offended. Those who couldn't come up with a truthful policy-based reason to oppose him were just protesting too much.
The reason for the hate matters, but some will only agree with that when the target is one of their own.
Bingo!! But, for them, it is not whether or not they know the truth, it is the insults, hate and divisiveness they can inflict upon others here that counts most with them. It is more than obvious that is their only reason for being here now that their other place of free wheeling vile and venom spewing is no longer in existence. So they now hand out here in order to try to do to NT what they managed to do to the other place. It is more than obvious that engaging in productive dialog and discussion is not their intention, just attacking, insulting and demeaning others as much as possible is their only objective in being here on NT.
Any ex vine members remember when calling a political person etc the dreaded C word was immediately punished? That was a fun stretch of time. Amazingly it seems more acceptable now
I remember that conversation.
As the Author has launched this 22 hours ago and only graced us once with his presence 11 hours ago to participate with his second comment
and has apparently ignored the slap fights and off topic comments by almost everyone, this article is locked.
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You may want to take that up with Perrie since she asked me to leave the articles open. I guess there are complaints from various entities here that I'm not around or I close 'em too soon. BTW I'll be gone for a few days, so you can close them all if you'd like - without the sarcasam
Don't know about Russian bots or idiots but i do know there are a number of people here who try to purposely sow seeds of discontent in attempt to censor people/comments they don't like. With some it appears to be their main purpose here. Some of the same people did the same thing over on NV and openly bragged that was what they were doing. Pretty fucked up!
I say ..... don't give the bastards the satisfaction .... keep being be the hair in their soup, the fly in their ointment ... stay the course. Thats one of the main points of blogs like this. Open, respectful discussion of all sides of a debate without censorship.
That is actually a tactic in political activist groups that want to "control the narrative" on social media. Flood a comment that you don't like with so many replies people don't bother looking at the chain, swarming a negative comment as a group, and if necessary make a discussion so toxic the mods lock it or delete it entirely. Along with slide seeds that bury negative seeds in the timeline
Yup, i know.