"A Bridge Too Far" For Trump Supporters?

one could give many examples... but let's start here.

when trumps admin uses the federal govt: IRS to target liberals and the  FBI / DOJ to target liberal candidates for office??  you let us know.

until then? you have nothing but hot air.

Cheers

Both sides got scrutiny, as they should. I don't know why I try as you all won't believe it anyway.

Audit indicates liberal nonprofits also got extra IRS scrutiny

Ways and Means Chairman  Kevin Brady  (R-Texas) said, "Democrats should be outraged."

"The IRS targeted Americans based on their political beliefs. Both parties. They targeted heavily on the conservative side, but the point being — the IRS not only had no protections for taxpayers, they actively targeted Americans based on buzzwords,” he told reporters.

The 17 criteria that the inspector general examined in the new report came from a group of 259 criteria that the IRS used to potentially single out applications for more scrutiny over about a decade, from August 2004 to June 2013. Benchmarks examined in the new report include “ACORN successors,” “progressive,” “green energy,” “healthcare legislation,” “medical marijuana” and “we the people.”

“We can’t say all 259 over time were good or bad,” Kutz said.

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Audit indicates liberal nonprofits also got extra IRS scrutiny

Now, in the third  audit  of how the tax-exempt application process went off the rails, the Treasury Department's inspector general overseeing the IRS has found the agency targeted not just conservatives but also scores of groups with words like "progressive" in their names.

The Treasury inspector general for tax administration, or TIGTA, did the report at the request of a bipartisan group of senators.

"The far right has been beating a drum for years now that there was a partisan attack on them," said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., one of the requestors. He said the new report shows "that's just not true."

But the TIGTA audit didn't absolve the IRS. Wyden said the overall picture was "equal opportunity mismanagement and equal opportunity bedlam."

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The real IRS scandal has more to do with budget cuts than bias

Conservatives have been seething since 2013 over what they say was an unfair effort by the IRS to scrutinize right-leaning organizations more closely than other groups seeking nonprofit status.

As a report from the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration released in 2017 shows, the IRS did flag some conservative groups. But it also paid the same kind of extra attention to liberal organizations with words like “occupy” and “progressive” in their names between 2004 and 2013.

Even so, as the report shows, groups with terms like “occupy” or “progressive” in their names, in some cases, waited three years or longer for the IRS to process their applications for nonprofit status. This slow-walking wasn’t partisan.

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There was problems with the IRS, just not what conservatives claim.

The real IRS scandal has more to do with budget cuts than

There were no budget cuts. It appears they had all kinds of loose change available with which to attempt to intimidate this woman....

thenewamerican

Even before Congress began revising the tax code, the I.R.S.   was struggling   to keep up with an expanding workload. Since 2010, its budget has been cut by $900 million — or 17 percent, after adjusting for inflation — and its staff reduced by 21,000, or 23 percent. In the meantime, it has had to process roughly 10 million more individual returns.

The agency has been a favorite target of Republicans, who have complained that it unfairly investigated conservative organizations and reveled in irritating taxpayers. (A recent   inspector general report   showed that the I.R.S. had scrutinized both liberal and conservative groups.)  

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Making the job more difficult, the IRS's budget has been slashed by $900 million since 2010, resulting in 21,000 fewer employees. Koskinen, an Obama appointee who stepped down from the agency in November, worries the IRS could find itself in a disastrous spiral.

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Trey Gowdy: FBI’s Use of Informant for Trump Campaign Was Appropriate

Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), the chairman of the House Oversight Committee, said on Tuesday that the FBI’s use of an informant for the Trump campaign in 2016 was appropriate, joining top Democrats in disputing President Donald Trump’s characterization of the informant as a spy.

“I am even more convinced that the FBI did exactly what my fellow citizens would want them to do when they got the information they got, and that it has nothing to do with Donald Trump,” Gowdy said during an interview on Fox News.

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Ryan Says There's 'No Evidence' The FBI Informant Spied On Trump's Campaign

Speaker Paul Ryan disputed President Trump's attacks on the Justice Department and their handling of an ongoing investigation into his 2016 presidential campaign, telling reporters he's seen "no evidence" to back up Trump's claims that his operation was spied on by the federal government.

Ryan said he concurs with House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy's assessment that the FBI acted properly and within the law when it used an informant to meet with Trump campaign operatives in 2016.

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You can try to call it something else, but it was spying...for no valid reason.

Papadopoulos is the Trump foreign policy adviser who   sparked the FBI’s investigation in the first place  when he told an Australian diplomat in spring 2016 that Russia had damaging information on Clinton in the form of thousands of emails, months before WikiLeaks released its batch of damaging messages.

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If you think a hostile foreign government meddling in elections is nothing... 

when trumps admin uses the federal govt: IRS to target liberals and the FBI / DOJ to target liberal candidates for office

That already happened during the Obama Administration. 

IRS to target liberals

The IRS targeting scandal wasn't much of a scandal considering BOTH conservative and progressive/liberal 501c4's were targeted by the key word references which included  words such as " Tea Party ", "Patriots", or " 9/12 Project ", " progressive ," " occupy ," "Israel," " open source software ," " medical marijuana " and " occupied territory advocacy " in the case file.

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At least 88 IRS agents were involved in the targeting scandal. ** At least one conservative Hispanic group was targeted. Today the Inspector General confirmed that 292 conservative groups were targeted by the IRS. Only 6 liberal groups were targeted.

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Yes, they tend to leave that part out. The number of conservative groups as compared to liberal groups targeted. 6 can be explained away under normal IRS operating guidelines. 292 is a concerted, targeted effort to make sure that as much  money was sidelined for the right as possible.

292 conservative groups were targeted by the IRS

How many were denied their tax exempt status?

Answer: Zero. " no one was officially denied tax-exempt status" - Scott Horsley Morning Edition NPR

" Of the nearly 300 groups singled out for extra scrutiny, just 89 actually  had  to apply."

" Eighteen percent of those groups showed no signs of political activity and thus shouldn't have gotten any scrutiny. But that also means means a full 82 percent of them displayed enough political activity to warrant additional screening by IRS agents."

"Last month the IRS released   a list   of   176 organizations   it says were pulled aside for further review because of potential political activity and ultimately granted nonprofit status. 501(c)(4) groups are allowed to lobby and do issue advocacy and even some campaign activity, but helping candidates get elected can't make up a majority of their work.

According to an analysis by the publication Tax Analysts, 46 of the approved groups on the list had Tea Party or patriot in their names, 76 were otherwise conservative-leaning groups and 48 were non-conservative or progressive."

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When Trump has political opponents and journalist monitored and spied on using government resources.

When Trump has political opponents and journalist monitored and spied on using government resources.

Does secretly obtaining the phone records of a journalist count? 

I guess it doesn't if it happened to be the Obama administration.

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I guess it doesn't if it happened to be the Obama administration.

Oh that one counts too, I assure you. 

Does the forced separation of children from their parents at the borders seem to be a crime against humanity? Does this action remind you more of Auschwitz than America?

No,  but places such as Manzanar and Tule Lake were and guess who started those. 

Does the forced separation of children from their parents at the borders seem to be a crime against humanity? Does this action remind you more of Auschwitz than America?

Last I checked If you commit a crime while with your children you will be arrested and your children detained until appropriate custody can be established. What makes a illegal immigrant get special privilege?

If you commit a crime while with your children you will be arrested and your children detained

facts are weird like that.

Cheers

Last I checked If you commit a crime while with your children you will be arrested and your children detained until appropriate custody can be established.

Last I checked when a child is 'detained' that child is assigned an advocate to ensure that the best interests of that child are protected. 

What makes a illegal immigrant get special privilege?

Obviously nothing, nor are their children ensured that their best interests are protected. 

Happy? 

The kids are being well taken care of, according to the pictures.

Pictures can be made to promote false information. It happens all the time. 

The kids are being well taken care of, according to the pictures.

Which refutes my comment in no way. 

Pictures can be made to promote false information. It happens all the time.

Yes how true. Like the pictures that were paraded around by the left wing media showing how this administration treated "the children".

After the snowflakes got their panties in a wad over it the truth came out that the photographs were from 2015. 

Happy?

No I'm not. The rules for people illegally crossing the border need to be changed.

They need to expedite the court process for people illegally entering this country so they can send them back over the border with their children.

Does making the National Anthem a point of political divisiveness an appropriate use of Presidential influence?

The President is entitled to have a opinion. Just because it doesn't sit well with you that is your problem.

"You didn't build that....."

Obama, July 13: There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President — because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.

You trying to make a point?

Only that some people take things out of context to make a point that was never there.

Only that some people take things out of context to make a point that was never there.

E.A is that " One Sided " and who have the tendency to do MORE of it and why?

it is not out of context.  

Only that some people take things out of context to make a point that was never there.

I can understand how someone that has never made sacrifices to accomplish something would not take offense to the phrase "You didn't build that".

They probably have never sacrificed what it takes to build something for yourself and think they are entitled to what you have sacrificed for.

the phrase "You didn't build that"

E.A  But In Context, what it does, it  give CREDIT to the one that made as YOU said the effort to Built, with also taking into the account " We all stand on the Shoulders of … "

OR Can Anyone claim total unanimity of any " Built " action?

His point was, nobody does anything alone. People were taught in schools, people built the roads that lead to a business, people and companies built the water supply that supplies the business, people and companies built the phone lines and the phones that supply the business, the internet the business uses, the electricity the business uses, the banks the business uses, etc.

Nothing is possible by solely one individual.

it is not out of context.

E.A   It IS, if it only takes ONE side of a TWO sided example that is was used For!

Nothing is possible by solely one individual.

E.A Except " self exaltation " and we all know where that leads " Blowing ones Horn " :"-)

You took it out of context....

If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

If you have a business, you worked your ass off to get it, and the "help" along the way was compensated for it.  It wasn't done out of charity.

Obama wouldn't understand that though.

It wasn't done out of charity.

E.A  Sunshine, slow down and read the WHOLE of the Quote, that is only partly transcribed ,,,,

I have read it all, and it is quite clear the intention of the text.  Instigating class envy started right off the bat for Obama.

If someone has a business, they did build it.  

If someone has a business, they did build it.

E.A Nothing can be more wrong then that falsification of yours, First credit::

1) Parents

2) Community

3) Education

4) Teachers

5) Add infenitum!

∞ ) Self Glorification.

His point was, nobody does anything alone.

Yes we all know Obama is a socialist that hates individualism.

I can understand how a employee would not take offense to his comments.

employee would not take offense to his comments

E.A and Hence Most are employees, and it is with THEIR effort, that an Employers achieves  their Goal, what is WRONG with a " Thank YOU for your Contribution "??

Thank-yous are ok, EA, but raises and bonuses are better!

I have been down this road before.

Socialist hate to give credit to a business owner for his initiative to start a business.

Everyone has had a Teacher, a mentor, uses a freaking road. can use a freaking telephone. 

Then everyone should have a business right? Because you don't have to build it your friendly neighborhood government agent will give you one.

Someone changed your dippy, fed you, clothed you, loved you, educated you.  

Definitely means that they built that business. 

The entire quote is in context and exactly how Obama wanted it represented.  Only to divide, as he was so good at doing.

"Someone else did that",  No, they did it.

"Someone else did that",

E.A  This is the LAST. from me on this Thread::

 If YOU think  you are so self-sufficient so Self Enabled, Go Buy yourself an Island Stay Unattached from the Rest of Humanity, and in 50 Years come back and show us your Uniformed self created self Delusional " Creations "

Bye Bye now, have fun see you in 50!

Thank YOU for your Contribution "??

? And the employee has a job because someone started a business. If he is a good employee his employer pays him well to keep him around. 

I cannot recall how many employers I walked away from because they didn't pay what I wanted. 

In my early 30's I started my own business. I sacrificed and bought my own tools. I paid the insurance and comp. I advertised and sold the jobs. I sold the quality of work. I made the job available for employee's.  

So yeah I take offense when some socialist prick like Obama tells me you didn't build that. 

I can tell you one thing I sure am no token like his ass was.

Now EA, you are being unfair.  Did I say I was self-sufficient?  What does that have to do with building a business?  

These are Obama's words and not out of context, if you built a business, you didn't do that.  Someone else built that.

So he is giving someone else credit but not the person building the business....it is his words not mine.  Plain English.

No reason to be snarky, have a nice evening.

I cannot recall how many employers I walked away from because they didn't pay what I wanted.

E.A So THEY along with those that PAID what you wanted, and the Knowledge and expertise THEY instilled in YOU... ahh ok, you do not think they " did anything " ahh you mighty self serving self centred is there a word arrogant ring a bell?

We built a family business from scratch so let’s see if I can answer this item by item.

1) Parents

Yes my parents decided to start it if at least one of us kids decided to help.    We all did and worked to build it while other kids our age were doing what kids that age usually do.   Playing grab ass and chasing Susie/jimmy rotten crotch around the park.    No other parents were involved.   Mine started it, mine built it.

2) Community

The community did help but only in that when we were low on a bid, we did the work they wanted done.    If we weren’t low, other contractors did the work which had NOTHING to do with us.    We built what other paid us to build.    They got what we built.    That’s as far as this one goes.    Certainly not built by our community like you intimate.

3) Education

My parents paid for every hour we were taught though HS.    I paid for every credit hour of my BS and MA degree.    No one did it for me.    No one paid for us.    True the schools were there through the interest of other people’s money as well but that same money educated others who did not pay their way.    We did build it for them through our money paid into the system.    They did not build it, we did.   We paid for it.

4) Teachers

Teachers get paid for their efforts.    Just like cops, grocery baggers, ditch diggers, etc.    They built nothing more than anyone else.    Certainly nothing like our business.     They were suspiciously absent during every hour we labored to make our business a success.

5) Add infenitum!

∞ ) Self Glorification.

To quote someone famous:  it ain’t bragging if you did it.    While things like infrastructure did help assist in some of this, it also supported all the people not building something as well.    Therefore your argument is really a non-sequitur.

what you wanted, and the Knowledge and expertise THEY instilled in YOU

Okay 1st off you assume a lot while ducking my point.

Who the hell pays someone a wage that represents what they hope they will learn? 

You have no clue as to how my knowledge was acquired.

I left a job because I felt they didn't pay me enough for my knowledge I brought to the table.

And it still doesn't negate the fact that I made the sacrifices to have a successful business. I didn't get it handed to me like a welfare check. 

So take your self serving  and self centered and shove it 

Who the hell pays someone a wage that represents what they hope they will learn?

E.A  Last comment here also::

 The Customer, and at times the Customer is the Relative and or family member of the worker, get real!! Get off that High Horse before you fall and break a neck!

IE: The Economy can not function without a Proper " Living Wage " to workers!

If they have no extra equity beyond a " Living Wage " then ALL the cheap products, all that Robots can produce will end up in warehouses!!

So yeah I take offense when some socialist prick like Obama tells me you didn't build that.

Wow.  You built the roads that you needed to get your work vehicle where it needed to go?  You built the utility lines that delivered electricity, phone and internet to your business?  You are so amazing.

You built the roads that you needed to get your work vehicle where it needed to go?

Well thru my taxes I pay I would have to say yes I did. But as I stated before a socialist thinks think they entitled to these things and to what I worked for. 

Would I be more entitled to use of roads than some socialist prick who has never worked a day in his life? 

Thanks for you comment though.

Would I be more entitled to use of roads than some socialist prick who has never worked a day in his life?

You sound a little jealous about Obama's extreme success compared to your own.  It's okay, this isn't a competition.

Should the President actively attempt to obstruct political investigations whether or not he agrees with them?

Who you talking about King obama?  

On April 10, 2016, President Obama publicly stated that Hillary Clinton had shown “carelessness” in using a private e-mail server to handle classified information, but he insisted that she had not intended to endanger national security (which is not an element of the relevant criminal statute). The president acknowledged that classified information had been transmitted via Secretary Clinton’s server, but he suggested that, in the greater scheme of things, its importance had been vastly overstated.

Obama told Steve Kroft of 60 Minutes the following back in 2015 as well:
I don’t think [Hillary's private email server] posed a national security problem... This is not a situation in which America’s national security was endangered.

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Who you talking about King obama?

That's funny because the IG report actually address that very comment. NO ONE testified that they felt that Obama was attempting to obstruct the investigation. 

You just tried to use that ONE statement to prove that Obama obstructed an investigation, so tell us what Trump's DAILY talk of 'WITCH HUNT' and "HOAX!" prove? 

NO ONE testified that they felt that Obama was attempting to obstruct the investigation.

If someone has testified that they felt President Trump was attempting to obstruct the investigation let me know.

Funny that obama can voice his opinion on something and the bobble head left just nods away.

The George Zimmerman Prosecution. While the Attorney General was investigating the Zimmerman shooting of Trayvon Martin, President Obama stated, “I’m the head of the executive branch, and the attorney general reports to me, so I’ve got to be careful about my statements to make sure that we’re not impairing any investigation that’s taking place right now.” But then Obama went on to impair that investigation: “When I think about this boy, I think about my own kids. And I think every parent in America should be able to understand why it is absolutely imperative that we investigate every aspect of this…If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon.” The DOJ promptly deployed its Community Relations Service to Sanford, Florida, to expend thousands of taxpayer dollars facilitating marches, demonstrations, and rallies. The DOJ would go on to set up a tip line for people to call in with stories of Zimmerman’s racism, and Obama would later suggest that Zimmerman was a racist. He concluded, “if a white male teen was involved in the same kind of scenario…from top to bottom, both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different.”

The Firing Of AmeriCorps Inspector General Gerald Walpin. On June 12, 2009, Obama fired Walpin. Walpin had been appointed by President Bush in 2007, and stepped on the toes of one of Obama’s friends, Sacramento Mayor Kevin Johnson. In April 2008, Walpin took charge of an investigation into allegations that a California nonprofit headed by Johnson had received a grant of $850,000, which was diverted for nefarious purposes, and that AmeriCorps staff had been used to recruit for Johnson’s charity. Walpin recommended suspension of Johnson from AmeriCorps. Walpin refused to lift the suspension. So the US attorney’s office, led by Lawrence Brown, decided to go around Walpin and lift the suspension after allowing Johnson to pay a fine. Walpin wrote a report to congress. Less than two months later, Norman Eisen, special counsel to the president for ethics and government reform, allegedly called Walpin and told him, “The president wants me to tell you that he really appreciates your service, but it’s time to move on.” The Wall Street Journal reported, “the evidence suggests that [Obama’s] White House fired a public official who refused to roll over to protect a Presidential crony.” An investigation from Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) and Representative Darrell Issa (R-CA) found that Walpin had uncovered alleged sexual misconduct by Johnson.

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I don't like to copy and paste a bunch of BS but why'll you are sticking up for king obama you must have skipped my other link.

If someone has testified that they felt President Trump was attempting to obstruct the investigation let me know.

Consider yourself informed. 

Funny that obama can voice his opinion on something and the bobble head left just nods away.

Deflection. 

I agree with all on our list. They are all a "Bridge Too Far" for ANY President. Never at any time in history has our country sunk so low and been so disrespected. 

What would it take for the people who support Donald Trump to admit that the President has crossed a "bridge too far"?

If he took up obama's Liberal policies.

ya nailed that one... Ha 

What Would Constitute "A Bridge Too Far" For Trump Supporters?

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At one time I would have thought what Edwin Edwards had to say would have worked.

"The only way I can lose this election is if I’m caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy."

However I think Trump supporters are so besotted that they would be OK with a dead girl in his bed, (would clam the FBI planted her there or some other made up shat), but because they're so horrified at the very thought of equality for gay Americans finding a live boy in Trumps bed MIGHT be shock enough to snap them back to reality.

well Kennedy was caught with a dead girl, and he was highly praised by Democrats.  

but you choose to condemn Trump or his supporters for something that has never happened 

but you choose to condemn Trump or his supporters for something that has never happened

That is a typical tactic of the left. 

Create a false scenario then get all butt hurt about it. You constantly see the used by them.

Dear Friend Doc Phil: Kindly accept our most sincere condolences over the loss of your dear wife, life partner and centerpiece of your existence for 51 years.

May the memory of the good times you shared console and soothe you.

May the good deeds she did, the support and kindness she imparted inspire you to keep going her legacy of such and more, in her honor. 

If desired, contact me through site private notes, then in private emails for such Pastoral Care services as you need.

As always, all contact remains confidential.

Services provided are free.

They respect your values, goals, hopes, wishes, beliefs, culture and feelings.

From me you get only what you need, as you wish it for as long as you want it.

May the Source of All Healing, Meaning, Comfort, Adjustment, Motivation to Get On With Life In Time Remaining Grant You These Things and More.

I am here to help when as and if needed and wanted.

Enoch.

Dear DocPhil,

It is hard to lose a loved one, but, even harder to lose one that has been such a constant partner in ones lie for a long as you and your wife were together.

May the Creator guide her gently to the next steps of her own eternal journey, and may her path bring her the peace she so well deserves. 

Sorry about your loss, Doc, and I doubt you are the kind of man who can be consoled with superstition.  I would suggest reading the first chapter of Richard Dawkins' book  'Demon Haunted World' where Dr. Dawkins explains, as only he can, how lucky we all are to have lived at all.  I hope you manage to fight back to the point where you can enjoy life again, and you owe no apologies, especially to the right wing liars.

Ooops, the book was 'Unweaving The Rainbow'  

My sincerest condolences on your loss Sir. I lost my wife of 42 years suddenly in December of 2016 and then my only son four months later in April of last year just as suddenly. I will not even attempt to tell you I know how you feel, because only you know that. I will only go so far as to say I sympathize and have a idea how rough it can be. It took me until just recently to decide I needed some grief counseling to try to put the train wreck that my life became back together. All I can say is stay strong and do what you have to do to go on. I wish you the best. If you should need somebody to talk to who has been through it, please keep me in mind. I may not have a lot of answers, but I can be a good listener when need be and sometimes that helps more.

Dear Friend Ed-Navy Doc: Please see my post to our good friend Doc Phil (15).

I am here for you when, if and as needed.

Site private notes, then private emails are communication venues of choice to preserve confidentiality. 

Peace, Healing, Comfort, Motivation to Move Forward and Abundant Blessings Now and in Future.

Enoch.  

I'm very sorry for the loss of your wife and son

Our sincerest condolences Phil.

I am only sorry that most here ignored your personal message of loss, only to engage in partisanship nonsense.

You are quite correct. This is a matter which transcends politics of any nature.

only to engage in partisanship nonsense.

Gee Didn't he post the issues he thought should be discussed.

Nice that you have nothing to say but engage in partisan digs.....

You are correct and I was a part of it. At times like these I sometimes just draw a blank and think that there is nothing worthwhile that I could say.

To Phil, my heartfelt condolences.

Does the forced separation of children from their parents at the borders seem to be a crime against humanity?

E.A  I will start with a need for a " correction " Any separation  can be deemed as " Forced " especially if it involves Offspring of any species from " Parents ".

  The Question should be more like " For the Protection of Minors, should they be separated from " Individuals " that their Identity and relationship is Unknown, and how should they be so treated?

Doc, I'm very sorry to hear about your loss.    I've never experienced anything quite like that but I hope you can regain your balance and your center before too long.

Doc, my condolences on the loss of your wife...

Sadly some choose to ignore the part of your commentary that described the loss of your wife. For that I'm truly sorry. 

My condolences on the loss of your wife. No one is ever ready for such a loss. 

As for your question, “What would constitute a bridge too far for Trump supporters”, I suspect the answer is “nothing” because the question assumes that there’s a viable alternative. I don’t support Trump but Democratic policies are so extreme and ridiculous that I can’t support them either. 

DocPhil, I did not know.  My thoughts are with you.

'Is There A Bridge To Far For Trump Supporters?'

I do not believe there is a bridge for them to cross anymore.  They burned that bridge at Charlottesville.

I'm sorry for your loss, Docphil.

I don't think Trump supporters are any different than Bush supporters or Reagan supporters or Nixon supporters.

They vote Republican no matter what and will rationalize any policy, any behavior and anything that comes from a Republican.

As long as the "R" is next to the name, they will vote for it. They could have released Charles Manson from prison and if he decided to run for office as a Republican every single solitary last Republican voter would embrace him.

It truly has become a cult, they were sold the idiotic lies of WMD and unpaid for wars, they embraced it. They never look back only to carry grudges of everything that happened since the Civil War.

They twist it, rationalize it, make excuses for it and embrace anything a Republican does or says. If a Republican is a KKK, or Nazi, or pedophile or sex abuser or woman hater, or gay hater or any kind of hater they jump on that bandwagon and ride it because these are the candidates the Republican party allows.

They are like addicts on a drug, they cannot get enough, like the lies they were told about the fake "tea party' being a grassroots movement and their primary platform was against taxes.

Now we see that Republicans scammed their constituents in the biggest scam ever perpetrated against the American people in a tax grab for the wealthy and the voters won't know what hit them until they begin filing 2018 and 2019 taxes.

Now they see all the American companies hit hard by Trump policies from farmers to steelworkers and companies like Harley Davidson and the companies Trump and Pence used for photo ops like Carrier and a few others who are going down and still losing jobs to China and Mexico with Trump's blessing. 

Words fall short in expressing my sorrow for your loss.  My condolences.  

The answer to your question can be found on this site every day.   There is no vile, corrupt or inhumane act that this President could do that would impact the support of his followers.  I've decided that I am no longer going to refer to them as supporters because supporters have the ability to decide what is worthy of support and what isn't.  These people are part of a warped cult, incapable of weighing facts or believing anyone other than their cult leader. 

I see you received the latest talking points.  

No, what I've done is listen to multiple discussions including those on FOX and realize that anyone who cannot figure out lie from truth is choosing not to figure it out intentionally.   I did hear the term cult introduced by a Republican recently and I took his words seriously.  I think he is describing the situation as accurately as it can be described.  

It gives me no pleasure to acknowledge that there is an evil that has spread through the country.

It gives me no pleasure to acknowledge that there is an evil that has spread through the country.

No matter how much you say it, I refuse to believe that you’re evil. 

No matter how much you say it, I refuse to believe that you’re evil. 

Okay - thanks for the stimulating discussion.     

Maybe if audio is released of Donald Trump telling Melania that she needs to get another abortion … but probably not.

I'm very sorry for your loss, Doc. My only words of comfort and I hope they are comforting is that you had 51 years with the love of your life. Remember her and the great life you had together and hopefully healing will come

Too far?

if Trump started embracing the Marxist statist ideology of the Dems and Establishment Republicans 

if he stopped standing up for America and started acting like a globalist appeaser

I'm terribly sorry about your wife.  No one is safe form the winds of fate-I hope your pain eases and you find some peace in your heart.

I would challenge you, intelectually, to post the same thought abot the other side of the line.  A Briddge Too Far?  When is too much from the Liberal side of things?  Can you see over your dislike of our president to see that the other side of that fence is pretty bad also?

No one in the history of the United States, that was a national figure from a major political party, has lied like Donald Trump lies.  skirting the Coc [ph] 

That is extremely simple minded.  Comparing Trump's honesty to that of a typical politician is like comparing the seediness of a kiwi to an apple.

For me, it would be saying something along the lines of calling rural Pennsylvanians and Mid-westerns gun-toting religious zealots...oh, wait, that was Obama in 2008.

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