SUPREME COURT SCOTUS Sides With Pro-life Pregnancy Centers Against California Law
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The Supreme Court has decided in favor of crisis pregnancy centers in NILFA v. Becerra by a tight vote of 5-4. Justice Clarence Thomas wrote the opinion, explaining that the California law forcing pro-life centers to advertise taxpayer-funded abortion violates the First Amendment.
The California Reproductive Freedom, Accountability, Comprehensive Care, and Transparency Act required licensed pregnancy centers to notify women that California provides free or low-cost services, including abortions. That mandate, Thomas wrote, "likely violates the First Amendment" and "unduly burdens protected speech."
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The California Legislature included in its official history the congratulatory statement that the Act was part of California’s legacy of “forward thinking.” App. 38–39. But it is not forward thinking to force individuals to “be an instrument for fostering public adherence to an ideological point of view [they] fin[d] unacceptable.” Wooley v. Maynard, 430 U. S. 705, 715 (1977). It is forward thinking to begin by reading the First Amendment as ratified in 1791; to understand the history of authoritarian government as the Founders then knew it; to confirm that history since then shows how relentless authoritarian regimes are in their attempts to stifle free speech; and to carry those lessons onward as we seek to preserve and teach the necessity of freedom of speech for the generations to come. Governments must not be allowed to force persons to express a message contrary to their deepest convictions. Freedom of speech secures freedom of thought and belief. This law imperils those liberties.
If he were to retire, that would be a great valedictory statemet.
E.A You mean not unlike this SITE, that now bans WORDS??
If in Doubt go to My Blog and see what WORDS are banned because of TOS
E.A LOL " The Thought Police are HERE " LOL
Ahmm, have a look a Post on a Blog has been removed because it is " Meta " I mean from a BLOG!! not an article not a seed not a Thread, a BLOG!! :-)
I think he is wrapping up his career soon. In the meantime I would expect the usual loons to have him thrown out of restaurants and demonstrate at his home.
Well this puts the lie that conservatives believe in 'freedom' to bed forever. Forcing every woman to adhere to a religious philosophy they don't believe in. Allowing incomplete and false information to be passed on to women in crisis. And I hope women will be the reason conservatives go down. Taking longer than I would hope, but its coming.
I absolutely do not believe abortion is murder any more than miscarriage, illness, accidents or no reason. Fucking patronizing for a bunch of men and politicians to make decisions for us.
E.A Pardon?
Woman do now know that they fall pregnant?
Woman do not know about " The Birds and the Bees? "
Woman do not know about Vaginas and ……..
Woman do not know if the OVA is " living "?
Woman do not know what a " Living Ova Plus a Sperm =?
WOW, they do need some education!!!
Pardon?
Must be nice to live in such a simple black and white world.
E.A YES I am sure they DO, so care to show as the statistical DATA and why would a 0.01% make it OK to kill the Other 99%?
So you say that if 0.01% of a town has a Deadly contagious Virus " all must be put to death " is that your logic?
E.A so a LIE from a " Male Stud " ( Place any @#@# You Like for the Male ) means the Killing of the Innocent Child, wow what " Logic we have HERE"??
E.A Like Kill or live with your choice?
Are you being intentionally thick? I'm saying that if .01% of a town has a Deadly contagious Virus they should all have the CHOICE to see the doctor, you're the one requiring them all to do one thing or another.
E.A some one is indeed " thick " so did YOU bothered to look up what percentile of ABORTIONS are for the Purpose you claimed?
And so the 99% Murdered are used as a?
Do take the time to get something right after all it is a " Mater of LIFE or Death "
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Pardon? Conservatives do not know of rape? Conservatives do not know of incest? Conservatives do not know of failed birth control? Conservatives do not know of "He promised he wouldn't finish there"? Conservatives do not know of simply ooops?
Skirting the CoC And the very reason why this is fucked up. As if there were one reason not to complete a pregnancy. Sweeping Generalizations .
E.A Is it... ok Thank You for the Clarity and the logic of the amazing clarifying articulate topical insight.
So now that that is put aside, is the Ova Living?
Nah. Conservatism nicely covers itself because it has 'No Memory, Honor or Soul.
Ova whatever only lives if the 'host' continues to live.
E.A Whatever? so you do not know what an Ova is and if it is living?
Take the time and get some information, for your benefit!
Have a piece of watermelon.
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Define "living".
How does a doctor determine if a patient is "alive"? What type of measurement is used?
E.A Sure I'll make it easier for you, see Court cases about Ovum, and also Scientific Papers about " Ovum Refrigeration " then come back to US with the data you have scrapped together, then we will MELD it ok?
E.A WOW what " educated language "
See:: 4.1 Eagle Averro replied to lib50 @4 5 minutes ago
Just a Question::
" politicians to make decisions for us."
Above is a quote from you, so who would YOU like to make " decisions " for ALL of us?
You are aware of the " Constitution " right? What is it all about?
Forcing every woman to adhere to a religious philosophy they don't believe in.
What alternate reality or fictional planet are you discussing? It'd be nice to know the novel you seem to be discussing so I can follow this apparent random digression.
Oh BS...Quit making stuff up, you know that isn't a bit true.
Interesting read , and comments , but predictable , I am just glad I don't have a horse in this race.....
E.A You mean like Sex = Babies
But some prefer Sex = Murder?
let me know what " Race " does the Unborn have its " lifestake " at?
No what I meant by predictable was that there will always be 2 factions that believe that their position is correct, and the comments from some are rather predictable .
Like I said I am glad I don't have a horse in this race to bet on.
Gee wiz, you can't force people do do stuff against their beliefs...even if you disagree with them!!.... and now you cant FORCE advertisement for free abortions???? OMG what's a Lib to do in this country anymore?/s
all this law says is that pro life clinics don't HAVE TO ADVERTISE for abortion clinics....if a woman wants one she can find out which ones do them without pro lifers telling her--not that hard to find the baby killers..
Who's killing babies exactly? Or is that just some attempt at a jab?
From the standpoint of the "compelled speech" doctrine this ruling makes sense.
What the state should do in response is have an index of abortion providers on the state's web site, and within 500' or so of each of these fraudulent "crisis pregnancy centers" have a sign indicating the names and addresses of real clinics in the area. In other words while the state can't compel another to carry the state's speech the state is perfectly free to present its own. It doesn't even have to mention these fraudulent clinics or label them as bible-babbling hoaxsters, it merely has to refer to the legitimate clinics which do provide abortion services.
Now that's a sensible compromise
You know of someone killing babies, you should call the police immediately. I am sure they could use a good laugh.
Nice looking horse.
I will explain WHY I don't have a horse in this supposed race.
First off I am male so I will never have to worry about giving birth , so that is a choice I would have very little say in .
even when I WAS married and having my family , the choice I thought and felt was suppose to be a joint one , turns out my spouse didn't think of it the same way, so I came to accept that.
Secondly, and most likely the main reason I don't have a horse in the race , I voluntarily got sterilized 20 years ago, so for me , the issue of abortion is not one I particularly have to be concerned about .
Lastly , I am 56 years old , single and not in a relationship, though I will admit to an attraction, I am semi retired and have been for about 8 years , have my retirement and healthcare already saved and paid for and not by the military , SSI or medicare, And the way I have things set up , the only taxes that could be used is minimal and non consequential to me , meaning , I have things set up so that the principle I am retiring on does not earn a dime so it is non taxable.
what federal taxes I do have to pay is dependant annually IF I decide to get a job and I usually get it all back as a refund anyway.
And I will admit since my divorce , I have had one claim I was going to be a current baby daddy, which prompted a trip to the drs , and a swimmer count , second best $300 I spent was 20 years ago , see reason #2, it did of course make for a rather tense , awkward discussion after the tally was zero swimmers in my pool.
Like I said , no horse in this race.
I suppose if CA had its way they'd force posters encouraging vegetarianism in restaurants, public transportation in car dealerships and PETA ads protesting pet ownership at pet stores and dog pounds.
LMAO!!!! Wow, SPIN SPIN SPIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What about forcing Christian heterosexuals to marry homosexuals and/or animals in churches? Isn't that also on the agenda of the unsaved heathen?
The republican war on women marches on into the late 1880's.
There is definitely a war on women in the US and has been since its inception.
This is finally being recognized for what it is.
With rulings like this becoming the law of the land, I can see the US rising in the rankings in the near future as religious zealots continue their quest to oppress the rights of women within US borders.
Do the anti abortion centers advertise that they are anti-abortion centers so the women KNOW what they are dealing with upfront?
Of course they don't. These are religious zealots on a crusade to control the lives of women just as Jesus commanded. Glory Hallelujah and Amen!
I was orphaned because of this bullshit. I have zero tolerance for busybodies of any persuasion who are so egotistical that they believe that they have the right to make other people's medical, financial, emotional and reproductive decisions.
should be required to tell women upfront that they are a private entity and their agenda. No more and no less.
How about teaching children to be homosexuals via Common Core and promoting bestiality?
I wonder when state endorsed necrophilia will make the list?
I already stated they should not have to advertise for another institution.
I stated that the private institutions should have to plainly state/advertise/post their own agenda.
Full disclosure is the only ethical/moral way to go unless an institution is peddling snake oil.
Pot meet kettle.
It was in direct response to the the claim that you made.
Honesty should never be an issue when dealing with a follower of Yeshua.
Unfortunately, the numerous people with egotistical, authoritarian, and even sadistic personalities have learned to twist the words of Yeshua (or ignore them completely and follow Paul) and use Yeshua as justification for playing god, ruler, dungeon master in the lives of others.
I was raised as a Methodist. I have read the Bible. Yahweh and Yeshua would not approve of the egotistical, sadistic authoritarians abusing others in their name.
It is what it is.
E.A WOW, someone Quoting, or better misquoting, what they are avowed ANTI, is otherwise called? is it hypocrisy?
Who is Yahweh and Yeshua, without the Bible?
What Authority do they have in the American ( US of A Constitution ) "?
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The SCOTUS should have required the private organization to be upfront about its qualifications, services and agenda. NO MORE and NO LESS.
If a woman walks into a business that poses as a secular women's health clinic then it should be a secular women's health clinic.
Truth in advertising.
Apparently when conservatives scream, "Smaller government!!!!!!!!!! More personal Freedom!!!!!!!! Keep the government out of our lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!!", then mean for men only. Then they wonder why they get called misogynists all the time.
Don't like abortions? Don't get one.
If men, especially 'white evangelical men,' were incubators, Abortion would have been safeguarded by an Amendment in The Constitution.
The Don't like slaves? Don't get one argument straight from the 1850s...
E.A Ahh the simplicity of REAL life, but wait, what about the Criminals?
Yes, because abortions and guns are literally the exact same thing.. LOL And I like guns, I own many..
So cons, if you get abortions banned, (it won't happen, but anyway..), how many unwanted babies are you going to take in? 1? 10? 100? 1000? Hope you got some deep fucking pockets because your own party cuts any kind of aid for babies they can.
E.A WOW some are very Productive, you do know that universities and Science lab pay for the " left overs " right?
You might have a " Gold Mine " there and not in the " Western Movies " way :-)
Did you know there is more than 1 woman in the country capable of having a child?
E.A really? what I am sure of, is if some have their way we be like Ants and Bees, one Queens Many Drones, which would you choose to be?
But that Aside, you mentioned 1000s that was what?
Keep your stick on the ice EA.
E.A " Fear Not about MY Stick, Fear what …. " befall all the Ignoramuses and....
well I would have to ask the question , "How many did I personally , and biologically father?" If the answer is ZERO, that's how many I would take in , or abortions I would pay for.
And since I am pro womans choice , and have personally chosen for myself not to contribute to the gene pool with my own actions , I am financial responsible for none of them.
besides , this ruling comes no where close to banning abortions. so that aspect is a non starter , and as you said , banning abortions isn't going to happen anyway.
But when we talk about illegals, the right always asks, "how many are you willing to take in???!!!", so, I ask the same question, using kids instead of illegals. Get it?
Point taken and understood , well my feelings on ILLEGAL immigration are not hard to understand , if they are not patient enough to go the prescribed legal route , then those gaining illegal entry should be offered a choice , they can self deport in leu of charges being brought , or take their chances of being charged tried and convicted of illegal entry and deported .
This country DOES have a method of legal immigration and entry , and it simply needs to be followed , not sidestepped or circumvented because the individual has a blatant disregard for what IS established.
And to me as I said am pro choice , I am just anti paying for someone elses fuck ups when I am not responsible for their situation .
Is that hard to understand?
I will say I do not disagree with you, but it's pretty far off topic. So I will drop it there.
So I am. That's why I think abortions need to stay safe and legal because I don't want more welfare babies
God is the ultimate abortion doctor. 31% of all conceptions do not last to term. God be killing lots of "babies".
E.A You got THAT right, Just one thing, who IS the God of this World, and what relationship is that with Jesus Christ God?
E.A Gen 3 3 but God said, ‘You shall not eat of the fruit of the tree that is in the midst of the garden, neither shall you touch it, lest you die....
So death was a condition of disobedience, so whom did Adam and Eve chose to " Follow " as THEIR God?
E.A so your choice is" Kill them ALL " is that right?
Key word there is "choice."
E.A BINGO!!!!
Yes to be a Murderer or Not!
Abortion isn't murder so your statement is disingenuous BS !
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"lacking in candor," 1650s, from dis- "opposite of" + ingenuous. Related: Disingenuously; disingenuousness.
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adj insincereE.A So Your Almighty God, Evolution, why does it do what it DOES do?
First off, I don't have a god. Second, evolution is a scientific theory, not a "god." Third, what relevance does that have to the issue? I hope that clears up your confusion.
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Fear Not your God, so tell me Evolution has chosen to keep the A,D at 4% and Lower for what reason?
Trying to obfuscate god with evolution Is just intellectually dishonest, and also irrelevant to the discussion. So I'm not sure what your point is. Other than an attempt to be willfully obtuse.
Making abortions illegal or just hard to get does nothing zero zip to reduce the demand for termination services. The cause of demand for terminations is unwanted pregnancies which can be practically eliminated by doing three relatively simple, morally neutral and inexpensive things.
1. Provide all children comprehensive sex educations prior to puberty.
2. Provide easy access to all forms of birth control to all sexually active persons.
3. Provide easy access to women's health services such as those provided by Planned Parenthood.
Why do those most opposed to legal abortions oppose what is known to nearly eliminate demand?
No law ever has or ever will stop a woman determined to terminate. We tried that. I did not work.
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