Kavanaugh's high school yearbook page makes references some believe are sexual innuendos, and Michael Avenatti wants senators to ask him about them
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Kavanaugh's high school yearbook page makes references some believe are sexual innuendos, and Michael Avenatti wants senators to ask him about them
Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh at his Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing on September 4, 2018. Joshua Roberts/Reuters
Judge Brett Kavanaugh's alleged past as a hard-partying high schooler and college student are at issue after two women accused publicly him of sexual misconduct in the early 1980s.
Kavanaugh's high school yearbook page includes potentially sexually explicit references and mentions of an alcohol-soaked party culture.
He has been accused of sexually assaulting a girl in high school and exposing himself to a fellow female student in college. In both instances, the women claim he was intoxicated.
Kavanaugh denies the allegations.
Judge Brett Kavanaugh's alleged past as a hard-partying high schooler and college student are at issue after two women accused President Donald Trump's Supreme Court nominee of sexual misconduct during his years at Georgetown Preparatory School and Yale University.
Among the evidence some are pointing to that Kavanaugh and his friends at the elite all-boys high school participated in an alcohol-soaked party culture are references on Kavanaugh's senior class yearbook page, which includes a blurb mentioning "Keg City Club (Treasurer) — 100 Kegs or Bust" and "Devil's Triangle" — slang for sex between two men and a woman.
WUSA, a DC-area CBS affiliate, obtained a copy of the yearbook from an attorney representing a woman who brought it to light after Christine Blasey Ford publicly accused Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct.
—WUSA9 (@wusa9) September 18, 2018
Ford, now a professor of psychology, alleges that Kavanaugh forced himself on her, locked her in a room, groped her, and covered her mouth to mask her screams during a drunken house party when she was 15 and he was 17. Ford is set to testify in open court about her claim on Thursday.
On Sunday, The New Yorker published an allegation from a former Yale University classmate of Kavanaugh's, Deborah Ramirez, who claims he exposed himself to her without her consent at a dorm-room party during the 1983-84 school year.
Kavanaugh has categorically denied both Ramirez and Ford's allegations.
"This alleged event from 35 years ago did not happen. The people who knew me then know that this did not happen, and have said so," he said in response to The New Yorker story on Sunday. "This is a smear, plain and simple. I look forward to testifying on Thursday about the truth."
Attorney Michael Avenatti said in an email to the Senate Judiciary Committee on Sunday that he has "significant evidence" that Kavanaugh, his Georgetown Prep friend Mark Judge, and others plied women with alcohol and drugs "in order to allow a 'train' of men to subsequently gang rape them" during house parties in high school.
Avenatti elaborated to Politico later on Sunday that he represents a group of people, including one victim and multiple witnesses, who can corroborate allegations involving Kavanaugh and Judge. Judge had previously denied knowledge of Ford's allegation.
The attorney, who also represents adult film star Stormy Daniels in her lawsuit against Trump, suggested that another cryptic term on Kavanaugh's yearbook page is a sexually explicit reference.
"Brett Kavanaugh must also be asked about this entry in his yearbook: 'FFFFFFFourth of July,'" Avenatti tweeted Sunday night. "We believe that this stands for: Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them. As well as the term "Devil's Triangle." Perhaps Sen. Grassley can ask him."
While delivering remarks at a law school in March 2015, Kavanaugh made a jocular reference to his high school alma mater in a recorded clip that has recently attracted attention.
"We had a good saying that we've held firm to to this day, as the dean was reminding me before the talk, which is what happens at Georgetown Prep stays at Georgetown Prep. That's been a good thing for all of us," the judge said, chuckling.
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I hope and trust that the Democratic senators are going to ask Kavanaugh directly about the questions suggested by Avenatti.
"Did you ever attend any house party during which a woman was gang raped or used for sex by multiple men?"
God, you folks are increasingly insane. I would just refuse to answer questions about high school yearbook quotes. Are you even fucking serious?
Then he can just take himself back home. This is a fricken LIFETIME APPOINTMENT TO THE HIGHEST POSITION IN THE COUNTRY, ONE OF 9! If the republicans won't do an investigation (they all refuse) and continue to move forward before these multiple allegations are looked into, this guy will never be legitimate if he gets rammed through, and gop will have 2 men accused of sexual misconduct on the court. This is not bullshit stuff, this impacts all of us. The more that comes out, the worse he looks and more desperate the gop acts.
And currently he's got a fricken LIFETIME APPOINTMENT to the 2nd highest court in the country, the DC COA. I really hope he gets impeached or resigns as a result of all this.
How far back should the inquiry go, ya think? 11th grade? Middle School? Kindergarten? First words? Aren't there some things we excuse in a minor?
At least as far as his first rape attempt. Or are you saying that at some point sexual assaults no longer matter?
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You mean like.....rape? I dunno....do you really want a rapist on SCOTUS even if he wasn't quite 18 when he tried to rape somebody? Or maybe the rape attempt should be excused because she didn't scream loudly enough?
I would definitely say that many acts committed by someone so young are not important enough to end the career of that person 35 years later. A drunken teen copping a feel should not be equated with rape or even copping a feel committed by a grown sober adult who should definitely know better.
We have become a very sanctimonious and judgmental society. I think it would have been wonderful if he had actually done the thing, admitted to it, apologized to Dr. Blasey, and acknowledged that it was wrong, but also insisted he was a different person now. And then how wonderful it would be if the American people, who always profess to being forgiving (but aren't!) actually respected his honesty and approved him to the court.
I have a dream . . .
I know, right? Who imagined that a mere attempted rape could derail an appointment to the highest court in the country?
Especially when you are completely innocent and didn't do it .
Not really, guilty people deny that every day, in fact it's the go to statement. We know Kavanaugh lied about drinking, plenty of witnesses have come forward to contradict his choir boy bullcrap. The hearing is a sham and I hope victims take a public stand by Thursday night and create an event to show the disgusting way republicans are trying to shut these women up to ram this guy through Friday. I don't think he will pass.
So why do Kavanaugh and the GOP oppose reopening the FBI investigation? If he's innocent he would want that to clear his name.
it is interesting how "her civic duty" to keep him off the bench did not include filing formal charges with the proper authorities.
the first we should have heard about this should have been when kavanaugh was arrested and charged by the police.
the fact that all she did was make this political? is all you really need to know.
she is full of shit. end of story.
Another Biden Rule:
“The next person that refers to an FBI report as being worth anything, obviously doesn’t understand anything,” Biden said. “FBI explicitly does not, in this or any other case, reach a conclusion. Period...The reason why we cannot rely on the FBI report — you wouldn’t like it if we did because it is inconclusive. They say, ‘he said, she said, and they said.’ Period”
Also, I don't if you are aware but the nominee, Kavanaugh, doesn't control the FBI. All he can do to clear is name is testify under oath, which he's already done and has been asking for the opportunity to do again. It's the accuser who doesn't want to participate.
There is no "Biden Rule". Do some research
In his interview on Faux News, Kavanaugh was directly asked several times whether he supported an FBI investigation and he changed the subject each time rather than answering the question.
Actually I agree with that point to an extent. A shame then that Grassley and the WH refused to ask for the FBI to investigate when they first learned about Ford's allegations - which was before they were made public.
the shame is she did not go to the police... she made it political all on her own.
as for blaming the fbi and whitehouse for her lack of common sense? shame on you.
there can be no formal investigation without signed statements being made under penalty of perjury...
where is the police report? so this can be investigated by the fbi?? which was exactly my point.
my bet is she does not even show as lying under oath exposes her to legal liability.
on a side note:
I assert that our slander and liable laws will made much stronger as the result of this bs.
and that will be a good thing
That's a moronic claim. This isn't a prosecution of a crime, it's a background investigation to determine the character of a nominee.
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LOL. Please describe exactly how that will work. Will rape victims be stoned to death if they didn't scream loudly enough, or will they merely be prosecuted if a court can't convict their rapist? Or do you merely want the victims of pedophile priests to be prosecuted for libel?
I'm not sure I could find my HS yearbook. WTF is going on with people?
I guess huge numbers of liberals are now Millennials, whose maturity issues are well documented. High school yearbooks may still important to some of them.
First, it's "huge numbers of millennial's are now liberal" (which isn't surprising considering the state of conservatives today), and second, what supposed "well documented" maturity issues? It's insincere to make such a claim and then not back it up with even a shred of any evidence.
Which part of it do you dispute? And if you actually dispute it, which I highly doubt, where have you been for the last 10 years?
Obviously I'm disputing your unfounded opinion that there are "well documented" maturity issues among millennials, issues that previous generations at the same ages didn't exhibit. And as to the rest of your comment, try making a point I can actually address if you have one, just asking where I've been is sad and disingenuous. Or better yet, provide the supposed "well documented" evidence of your claim.
I'm laughing. OK. Fine. BTW, a quick Google search of "millennial immaturity" yields 222,000 results, while "millenials won't grow up" yields nearly 7 million. So how many of these do you want, exactly?
Previous generations didn't use the verb "adulting", as though being an adult was either optional or required effort.
Most importantly, previous generations left the things written in their high school yearbooks where they belong....back in high school.
Yes, and "horse tuxedo" yields over 30,000,000 results, what exactly does that prove?
Here's a quote from the first link you provide:
"Mr Poltrack says an adult is defined as 'someone who has moved out of their parents' home, has a job, and pays their own bills.'"
Oh, so it's not about mental maturity, it's about the financial crisis many millennials find themselves in brought about in no small part by irresponsible Republicans killing Glass Steagal and starting two unfunded wars leading to the great recession.
The second link:
"Disclaimer: This article is written as an observation of other millennial college students whom I have met nationwide. They should not be assumed to represent the entire population of college students."
So no actual study of millennial mentality. How about your third link?
"Some have blamed this Peter Pan phenomenon on millennials as the coddled generation. Others say it’s a sign that millennials enjoy fun and care less about social norms than previous generations. Neither story is complete. The real reason we don’t want to grow up? Our generation is watching as the “real” adult world goes to crap due to mistakes of older generations — and we want none of it.
We’re the first generation that will have a lower standard of living than our parents. We collectively have $1.3 trillion of student debt, largely due to the cost of college increasing by 1,100 percent in the last 30 years."
Still no study, just the opinions of a millennial who is pointing to the real problems such as the ridiculous inflation of education costs, the inability to find reliable work, the cost of housing, insurance and everything else it takes to "move out of your parents home". What it doesn't address is any sort of "mental immaturity" as you have claimed.
Riiiiight. Because 28 years olds living with their mom are always mentally mature.
The "full employment" financial crisis?
By irresponsibly forcing massive numbers of Democrats to vote for the repeal and irresponsibly forcing a Democratic president to sign it. Yeah. That happened.
You quoted examples of mental immaturity. I'm amused you didn't notice.
Out of curiosity, are there other obvious social trends you want to deny? Are we going to pretend hipsters aren't real next?
If video evidence of Kavanaugh and Judge running a train on a roofied teen came out, the right wing morons on this site would attack whoever shot the video while demanding a vote on Kavanaugh.
if you play with your imagination that much you will grow hair on the back of your hands.
just a heads up
here is # Kavanaugh yearbook entry for all with " FFFFFFFourth of July .": Find them, French them, Feel them, Finger them, F*ck them, Forget them and "Devil's Triangle."
did you say something? all i see is nothing.
Wally is a self-admitted troll. When he admitted it, I kinda admired his naditude.
"I was focused on academics and athletics and going to church every Sunday at Little Flower, working on my service projects and friendship" source
And the "Renate Alumni" is an order of nuns, and "kegs" is the term we used to describe rosary beads. What a scumbag. It's clear what Trump sees in this piece of shit.
I heard it in the 80's when I was in school as well. Must be a late addition, but true none the less.
I would LOVE some video evidence! But there isn't any, is there. Stop pretending that what we have heard so far is anywhere close to something as compelling as video evidence.
VCR's were barely invented back then, and recording camera's were a lot to carry. How old are you?
You can't be very old if you think people carried that heavy shit around with them, especially kids. We needed dimes to use public phones to call home, FFS.
Just a little first hand knowledge of the area.
I competed against those guys in the early/mid 70s. I knew the area. I had 2 brothers in law who had that equipment in the late 70s and early 80s.
I would wager just about every family in the Georgetown Prep, Bullis and BCC, etc school areas had video equipment by the very early 80s.
The equipment size and weight was manageable, especially for anyone in good physical condition, otherwise no one would buy it.
That comment is only for first hand understanding of that area at that time.
This has nothing to do with LWN or RWN BS. I thoroughly dislike both extremes to to no damn end.
I'm not the one who brought up video evidence. I'm responding. Read the thread.
Actually (I guess I'll continue to ride the derail train), I had a video camera in the early 80s. It was big, but I recorded stuff I did with my friends all the time. Although for us, it was usually waterskiing, not gangbangs.
Didn't get my first vcr til 1980, and it was had a detachable 'portable' part that you plugged a (rather large) camera into and together they weighed about 20 pounds (or more, we carried them in a backpack, totally filled it). We used that for years on trips or vacations only. No kids I knew carried that or other video cameras, they were all too big for kids to carry around. I NEVER used them as a young adult, barely had snapshots, we were busy living. I'm telling what WE owned. And they were NOT something you carried around all the time. So I don't know why people are suggesting that everyone could or would have been carrying cameras with them. And I never said anything about right or left, so what is that about?
What I pointed out is what folks in THOSE neighborhoods owned at the time. I should have included Churchill and Norwood as well.
Ownership of such equipment, especially the cameras with the "CCD" chip was not unusual.
As for the left or right comment, as this is a politically hot topic which is another one of these not so wonderful, politically divided discussions, I want it perfectly clear my statement was a matter of reality of THOSE neighborhoods and had zero to do with the left vs right chasm which is pulling our country apart.
Here's another example, a guy I knew whose family moved to the Norwood High School area in Potomac drove around in a Jaguar XJ12 at the at of 16.
That area was and still is a different world.
P.S. I'd say I got my first VCR in 1985.
What's a VCR?
j/k
We were just solid middle class, and when vcrs were first widely available I was a young adult, in my 20's and my husband and I bought that first vcr ourselves, it was considered top of the line at the time, at least in our circles. Personally I don't know enough about what else was available since we got what we could afford at the time, and we were both still in college. I never saw video or regular cameras on a regular basis growing up, they were something we had to think about and bring with us, and we just didn't do it unless there was a special reason, like almost never. Different times today for sure.
I am not sure I remember either.
Heck, I stopped watching tv in 2008. Well, to be honest, there are occasional times I have to travel and then i will try to catch episodes of Mythbusters, if they are still on.
When my daughter moved out in 2011 for NC, I told her to take the tv with her, because I bought it for her.
As I am typing I thing there is still a VCR in one of the cabinets here, but in addition to playing tapes I think it has some internal disc drive and plays DVDs too?
Maybe I should donate it to the Smithsonian?
I understand.
You know, I think 1985 was wrong. We got it after the rebuild I did on my Mach 1, which would have been 1986.
It was an odd and disappointing situation at first.
We initially bought one that was just a little bit better than the cheapest and had to return for repairs several weekends in a row.
The last time we returned it the salesman told us to go to the top shelf and pick out anyone you want.
It worked well and lasted a good long time.
Lol, I looked up our old model, this is it. I feel so old, the guy said it was his grandparents. Yikes. One side slides out and that is the portable part.
That's fantastic. I remember those.
I think my brother in law had one of those.
A piece of tech history.
Holy crap... Looks like an old betamax. I still have one in my dads attic. Checked it about 10 years ago, still worked.
College Girlfriend of Mark Judge says he told her about gang rape with young girl at prep school party culture of sexual assaults (see @ NewYorker article) he needs to be questioned by fbi
High School Yearbook detective.....
it is likely very instructive to this situation
sometimes the complete truth takes a little longer to materialize
Buried in the @ RonanFarrow @ JaneMayerNYer piece on Kavanaugh is an anecdote shared by Mark Judge's ex-girlfriend , who said that "Judge had told her ashamedly of an incident that involved him and other boys taking turns having sex with a drunk woman." https://www. newyorker.com/news/news-desk /senate-democrats-investigate-a-new-allegation-of-sexual-misconduct-from-the-supreme-court-nominee-brett-kavanaughs-college-years-deborah-ramirez … pic.twitter.com/FJwIBpXMmp
Now you know why Kavanaugh supporters dont want Mark Judge to testify at the hearing
Well at the risk of making the opposition look simple minded, I would just say that establishing that there was an ongoing environment where the attack Ford alleges would have been unremarkable if not commonplace would go a considerable way toward establishing the credibility of her allegation.
If I accuse someone of burglarizing my garage and it turns out that friends of his have been burglarizing other garages in the neighborhood, my allegation about him is no longer coming from out of left field. You dig?
It's all about context tex. Try to learn something about that when you get a chance.
It's not up to anyone to decide that yet. Why can't you wait until the facts are in? I don't understand the rush to judgment. I don't know who's telling the truth and I won't know until I hear the facts. You don't know either. Why don't you just admit that and wait? I don't get it. It's a rush to judgment. You lose credibility by assuming to know the facts before they're in. Why don't you just admit that much.
That doesn't mean it DIDN'T happen. He just doesn't RECALL. He was probably wasted just like his sexual predator POS buddy Brett.
I actually agree.
On the other hand, we should also not ignore the statement from 65 women who knew him in those years and speak highly of the way he behaved. I'm afraid that in the end, we will end up with a lot of back and forth and we won't ever move beyond who we "believe."
So you've never been to a frat party? How naïve are you? This behavior is typical of the rightist elite.
Not unusual when you drink so much you black out.
Ford was NOT blackout drunk, she had had one beer. Kavanaugh and Judge were very drunk.
Ford remembers plenty. She remembers the laughter of Kavanaugh and Judge at her expense during and after the assault, and their drunken walk down the stairs.
Jesus, now the ass-hats are after what is written in his HS yearbook?
This is beyond the pale ..... even for those who are doing it.
This all may not be fire but it is smoke and Kavanaugh should be directly asked about it all at the hearing. I am pretty confident that one or more of the Democratic senators will.
So if we are going to talk about quotes in yearbooks are we going to ask ford about hers.
Seems that her little girls school was not so innocent after all.
Full of parties and keggers which is documented in the high school yearbook. I don't know about you but are yearbook was about the school, not the sluts parties on the weekends.
classy and respectful, just like most republican attitudes toward women. Let's make that part of the midterms, should help gop and their problem with us. or not.
Ironic, since KD got on my case one day for pretty much the same thing.
Ironic that you always make bullshit claims without backing them up.
Also you seem to have a penchant for talking about posters and not the post.....HMMMMM
It's what I do best.
Admit it, you get all twiddlepwated when someone like me uses words like slut or whore
I'm curious. Trump was somewhat appropriately quiet until the nine-hour meeting with Kavanaugh, then he lapsed back into childish rants. What took place in that nine-hour conference? Did Kavanaugh make an omerta promise of loyalty to Trump?
I'm also curious why you get the same guys claiming your articles aren't their cup o' tea showing up on ... your articles? Do you think they have defective mouses? You know, those renegade mouses that make them go to places they don't want to go to? I cannot tell you how many articles I simply scroll past because they're too stupid and too ludicrous for my time. Does it make sense that if they don't like your articles that they stop in? Isn't that the ultimate stupidity? You don't see me interjecting sanity into their insane articles. Good grief. I'll never understand absurd ridiculousness.
Avanatti for President! Damn, that guy's hot.
Ya might not understand it ...
but ya got a knack for it : )
Yeah, yeah.
Cite . Emphasis mine.
Now, I ain't sayin' he's guilty. But he ain't sqeaky clean either. So I'm going to wait. Like you all should instead of thinking you already know. Although some of you seem like "he could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue and speak often about fucking his own daughter and letting Howard Stern call her a piece of ass, and I'd still vote for him" types.
How many times you going to post this?
Who gives a shit, OMG he got drunk in college.
According to Christine Ford she was a drunken slut.
I got drunk at parties in high school and college but never molested a girl/woman. 1 of 9 should be held to high standards when it is a lifetime appointment.
Why is it that the GOP keeps picking moral degenerates for high office?
Well their leader is a pussy grabber who has multiple allegations of sexual harassment against him. I say it starts at the top.
What do you think comprises being a Republican? Misogyny and lack of empathy are key factors.
When I was partying in the 80's we called em bar whores.
Hmm seems like she had a thing for two guys at once.
That's not what that article says. It says 2 guys got into a fight over her not that she was doing them at the same time as in a 3-some
Get your head out of the gutter.
She once got caught in a romantic triangle
I didn't say she was doing two guys at the same time. You did.
No...you did. Do I have to spell it out for you? Again?
Keep up the slut-shaming. Suburban white women are watching.
Mark Judge's book recounts:
Cite . Emphasis mine.
Doncha you know, boys just being boys.
OH LORD!
Hr drank and passed out in high school! He's the devil!
Nice to see puritanism is alive and well in 2018.
I didn't say that. What I'm saying is that he's not squeaky clean like everyone is trying to infer. Most right leaners here think that Dr. Ford is the devil. She's not. He may have been drunk and simply blacked out. He began by saying he had no memory of it happening. I don't doubt that since he was drunk often. What I AM saying is that you cannot say she's lying nor can I. We don't know until we hear testimony. I tend to believe her, but I can't say until I hear testimony. And his friend, Mr. Judge, spoke of Kavanaugh drinking to excess. That in of itself is not too bad, but if you are one whose alcohol consumption alters your behavior, then it's not outlandish to think that perhaps he behaved in a way that was not his norm. Quit minimizing his bad behavior while automatically assuming Dr. Ford is a liar. You don't know that. I don't know that. Anyone with a modicum of intellect would wait until all was in and all was heard.
No one's trying to ruin Kavanaugh's life. He'd still be a judge. But death threats to those who want their voice heard? That's just crazy.
I tend to believe her
Okay, and you believe that KAvanaugh was frequently black out drunk because a fiction writer said a character got drunk, threw up and fell asleep once..
The question is about minimum standards to punish someone. Take the Republican and Democrat out of it and no one would believe it's fair to label someone a sex offender based on a vague, unsupported allegation that is contradicted by every claimed witnesses to the supposed event. In no other circumstance would we take such an allegation seriously. But since it's a Republican nominee, suddenly fairness gets thrown out of the window.
I have no idea if she's lying. But given all the evidence against her and the vague and changing nature of her allegations, I think the odds that an event happened as she described are incredibly small. Assuming she testifies consistently with her letter, unless some corroborating piece of evidence emerges from nowhere, there's simply not enough evidence to believe Kavanaugh assaulted her.
No one's trying to ruin Kavanaugh's life.
Sure they are. Any number of people are calling him a rapist, sex offender etcet.. One liberal pundit, I can't remember who, was talking about how happy she was that every woman in his life will think of these allegations everytime he talks to them. Maybe you don't think being labeled a sex offender and having your reputation ruined on a national stage is a big deal. I do.
But death threats to those who want their voice heard? That's just crazy.
It sure is. So are death threats to Kavanaugh and his family, Senator Collins etc.
They have to leave their homes and go into hiding?
Unlikely. If the Senate is convinced the allegations are true, he will - and should be - impeached.
To be clear, I probably wouldn't vote to impeach him for being drunk and groping a girl as a minor. (Who supplied booze for these kids anyway?!). It seems a little harsh to judge a 53 year-old for something he did as an inebriated minor - especially since it didn't go very far.
Instead, I would impeach him for lying about it in 2018. Yes, it's embarrassing, and just like with Bill Clinton, I can understand why he would try to hide it. But we need integrity on the bench.
Normally that wouldn't be something that I would consider a deal breaker, so I kind of agree with you here, which is weird. The problem with Kavanaugh is that he LIED about it, is still lying about those old days. And the allegations against him are worse than some of the usual teen craziness. And it all feeds in to his proclivity to use his power over women, be it at a party or in a courtroom. You can't look at just one thing, it all goes together and gives a look at the way he views women and other issues. SCOTUS is not a normal job with a normal length of employment, and we don't deserve another tainted justice on the court for the rest of his life.
The senators should determine just how good of friends Kavanaugh and Judge were in high school, and since, for that matter.
According to an ex girfriend Judge participated in a gang rape of a drunk girl. This was in the exact time period of the Ford allegation. Not the same instance but in the same ballpark.
It should be investigated by the FBI and let the chips fall where they may.
One could already argue that enough doubt has been cast on Kavanaugh that he should withdraw.
I know you've heard this before but here it is again. I disagree, the FBI should not be involved here. The FBI has already done numerous background checks on Kavanaugh and that is really all they would do in this case. If there is going to be any investigation it should be handed to the Maryland Police as there is not a statute of limitations there. As for enough doubt, there are only accusations without any evidence that they are true. No named witnesses have confirmed anything of this. The only confirmation I have seen is from friends and family who heard from Dr Ford and say they believe her. That's not confirmation of the accusation, only confirmation of the person.
I don't think we will ever here all the truth on this matter but IMO I don't think that Kavanaugh should withdraw.
The doubt is cast by the fact that Kavanaugh hung with a crowd that engaged in heavy drinking and promiscuous sex. That comes from sources other than the doctor. In fact it comes from his friend and others who were close to his friend.
Kavanaugh may be innocent , but reasonable suspicion has been cast. Now let's see how he responds on Thursday.
Yeah, waiting for the expose of Ford's yearbook and the condemnation of her for being a 15 year old going to drinking parties.
Going to a party at 15 where is beer is served is, according to progressive thought, solid evidence that you commit violent crimes..
Not going to happen, They tried to scrub everything about her drunken slut behavior during High School and college.
Probably because you and the gop also think this:
If gop were truly interested in finding the truth, they would be begging for an investigation, they LOVE investigations (geez, Benghazi was the motherlode, and the gop couldn't quit them for years). This refusal to have the FBI investigate makes it impossible for Kavanaugh to be confirmed. What are they afraid of?
Right. Begging her to testify under oath and answer questions is what exactly?
The first step of an investigation is having the accuser tell their story under oath. Everything proceeds from there. To claim she wants an "investigation" and then do everything possible to avoid telling her story under oath is simply hypocritical.
Why did Feinstein sit on the letter for 6 weeks?
Seems she didn't give it much credibility either except to use as a last ditch effort to stall the confirmation.
She's free to swear out a complain with the proper authorities. I don't know why she doesn't. At this point, she hasn't sworn to anything, but what evidence she has offered as been refuted by statements submitted to the Senate committee. Lacking any other evidence to pursue, I'm not sure what the FBI would do at this point.
According to her lawyer and the Democrats, it's "bullying." How's that for a head-scratcher?
I'm not trying to be mean, but I feel like you didn't read what I wrote. I made the case that there was nothing to investigate - and I gave reasons. If want to argue differently, I'm open to that, but don't just shout "INVESTIGATE!" It doesn't mean anything.
I was thinking this is probably not a precedent Democrats want to set. Opening all democrats to to having their careers destroyed by vague allegations of wrongdoing premised on guilt by association from high school.
But then, what do they care? It's not like they would apply the rules to themselves.
This is the party whose vice chairman is Keith Ellison.
This is the party who celebrates Senator Hirano as some sort of champion of women. The same protege of Senator Inouye who say silently while her mentor serially molested women, now publicly claims someone is guilty just because they are a conservative, and is cheered for it.
The Democrats are sick party, lacking any principles but political expediency.
Republicans try this tactic, but Democrats weren't all douchebags growing up (like they were/are). Consequently, all Republicans can come up with is "this guy says cuss words and was in a PUNK BAND (gasp!!), and that lady said she has Native American somewhere in her bloodline (double gasp!!)."
No, Republicans come up with:
This Democratic senator gave his wife a black eye.
This Democratic senator was so violent his wife had a restraining order placed against him..
and the Democrats respond: Hell yeah! Keep electing them....
What does any of that have to do with this story?
Damage Control Plan for Kavanugh:
Get drunk with a young girl, drive her in an Oldsmobile off a bridge and leave her to die.
The Democrats will adopt him and fete him as the "Lion of the Supreme Court."
Feeble.
Republican Party leader Paul Ingram would be adopted by the republicans and fete him as the "Lion of the Supreme Court" if endorsed by Trump.
Who is Paul Ingram and did he just get elected to lead8ng the Republican Party today?
Well usually republicans are happy when the white guy gets off. And I guess one could call Laura Bush a killer too by those standards.
Note to Michael Avenatti- I believe the Devils Triangle is a region in the Atlantic Ocean where ships and planes have been reported to disappear with regularity.
Glad I could help....
Yeah, rarely but sometimes it's called that. The most of us here on earth call it the BERMUDA trangle.
Gotta give ya points for clever...
Glad I could help.
just curious.... how many points do they get?
I did say it was the lessor known name hence the clever...
Then ya screwed it up with the Japanese reference which would be the PACIFIC ocean.
(Tweaking your nose....)
You mean the earthlings? None, they're expected to learn that in school...another thing we have here on earth you might find interesting.
"japan is in the pacific. did i ever imply it wasnt?
I brought that up because I thought is was kinda interesting that our "devils triangle has a counterpart in the "devils sea. (did not mean to bust your brain.... my bad.)
I graduated high school when I was 15
but some say, I was such a pain in the ass that they could not wait 3 more years to get rid of me
What were the odds that trump would support yet another sexual predator/deviant? I am just so shocked! /yawn
Dr. Ford is like so many other women that have been sexually assaulted by a prominent republican and is expected to STFU and never speak of the abuse. [Removed]
[deleted,] you claim facts for which there is ZERO evidence.
Like we haven't seen your comments baked, broiled and basted in bullshit.
Show us a single piece of evidence
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"some believe"
"Some" still believe the symbol # means pound.
I wonder if the #metoo movement thought about that.
Jesus, John. What a crapload this seed is. Here is something for you:
Renate - definition of Renate by The Free Dictionary
I have only one question for you - have you lost your mind?
I will leave it for you to look up, but "Renate" is indeed the name of a specific girl who was known to the boys at Georgetown Prep.
What was the purpose of your ill thought out harangue against me , anyway?
All you did was prove you are not at all careful about what you say.
Renate is one of 65 women who signed a letter of support for Judge Kavanaugh beliving he was the fine person he portrays himself to be.
Renate found out. pretty quickly after that, about Judge K's High School yearbook page and has since, along with several others asked that her signature be redacted/withdrawn.
Catholics aren't into that whole "born-again" bullshit so I tend to think "Renate" is more about a girl than some esoteric religious nonsense
Seeing those "calendars" brings up more questions than it answers. It is very clear he is focused on "Beach Week" where most of these drunken parties took place. There are also several days where it is literally redacted in heavy pen so what happened there? He lists various names of girls on certain days and he was "grounded" by his parents on multiple occasions. So did he sneak out to party anyway? The guy is a total jerk.
Of all the nominees the GOP could have picked this one is the worst.
That's why trump picked him, birds of a feather and all.
That's why Trump thinks Kavanaugh is SCOTUS material because he's the sleeziest possible nominee.
A scumbag just as every other Trump nominee.
do to the contrarian nature of the lefts universe, soon we will be able to thank the democrats for providing reason to strengthen our slander and libel laws.
the bonus is:
MSM will hate that
And here I thought that slander and libel was the only thing that far right wingers had going on.
Here is what is bugging me about this... Brett says he has calendars from that time in his life, but does he have calendars from say 5 years ago? 10? Or did he JUST keep calendars around the time the accusations were made? If he has them all through his life, thats fine, but if all he has is calendars from THAT specific time???? I call BS.
Probably. I know people like that (top of their class, etc.). They super organized - like in a kind of psychotic way. His calendars now are probably electronic, though.
What? He was keeping false calendars just in case someone accused him of something 35 years later? That sounds like the accusations that Obama's parents faked his birth announcement just in case he ever ran for president.
Same thing as saying Obama faked his birth certificate at birth because someone knew he would run for president some day and there are still those that believe exactly that.
Also, what I was implying is that the calendars were made recently, not many years ago, in an effort to create ambiguity.
Some folks are just anal that way, others are hoarders.
However the WaPo just used his calendar, Ford's testimony and tidbits from Mark Judge's book to dramatically narrow the time range for the rape attempt......with a possible date of Thursday, July 1st 1982:
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Also this was interesting:
And that's a question should be asked, but evidently not even the Democrats thought the calendars were fake.
Possibly, or they just didn't think to ask about it.
Excellent info, thanks for that. I had heard a few snippets about that, but wasn't sure about the whole story, thanks for filling in the blanks.
Apparently it was the discussion of that July 1st date which caused Graham to go of the rails. From that point on all the "questions" came directly from the GOP senators - none came from their proxy.
Great background article here about the drinking and rape culture at Georgetown and nearby Catholic prep schools , I might seed it:
I cannot even imagine the rights reaction if this was Obama appointing a left leaning judge. Holy shit, the investigations would have started WEEKS ago...and would last for the better part of this millennium. The right does love their investigations....as long as they are on a democrat. Never....ever....EVER...one of their own.
That actually would have been the appropriate action. I wish Democrats had done that. Instead, their actions have been more about delays and political tactics than justice. It has hurt the credibility of all the accusers as well as the Democratic senators.
Not sure why this is an issue... Garland was stone walled for just over 300 days. He never even got a hearing nor was he even accused of any wrong doing. Yet now we have Brett....who HAS been accused and the GOP cannot slam this guy through fast enough. Please tell me you can see the hypocrisy in this.
It was a smart move by McConnell. It paid off big time both with the electorate supporting the Republicans at the voting booth and he achieved his desired results.
So you agree that it's hypocritical.
I wasn't thinking of Kavanaugh, although that's certainly a reasonable consideration. I was actually thinking about timely and fair justice for Dr. Ford.
I agree, but this wasn't a trial.