Warren releases DNA test showing 'strong evidence' of Native American ancestry
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In an unprecedented effort to diffuse lingering questions about her heritage ahead of a possible presidential bid, Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Monday released the results of a DNA test that the Massachusetts Democrat said proves she has a Native American in her ancestry.
The test — conducted by Stanford University professor Carlos D. Bustamante, a leading authority on genetic ancestry — showed “the vast majority” of Warren’s ancestry is European, but also “strong evidence” that Warren’s DNA sample reveals a Native American in her family tree “six to 10 generations ago.”
Warren has said that, according to family lore, her great-great-great-grandmother O.C. Sarah Smith was at least part Cherokee Indian.
Cherokee genealogists say there are no records to support the claim , and Warren has acknowledged she has no proof. DNA tests can detect Native American ancestry but cannot distinguish among tribes. But Oklahoma, where Warren’s family has lived for generations, is the home of the Cherokee Nation.
Bustamante’s six-page report was included as part of the launch of a campaign website showing the “truth” about Warren’s Native American heritage . Warren, who had long rejected calls to submit to a DNA test, also posted a YouTube video featuring her family in Oklahoma discussing the test results.
“My family (including Fox News-watchers) sat together and talked about what they think of @realDonaldTrump’s attacks on our heritage,” Warren wrote on Twitter . “And yes, a famous geneticist analyzed my DNA and concluded that it contains Native American ancestry.”
During her Senate campaign in 2012, Warren was dogged by questions about listing herself as a minority in past professional directories. During his 2016 presidential run, then candidate Trump frequently brought up the issue to discredit Warren, a prominent opponent. He nicknamed her “Pocahontas.”
“She made up her heritage, which I think is racist,” Trump told NBC News in June of that year . “She used the fact that she was Native American to advance her career. Elizabeth Warren is a total fraud.”
Trump has continued those attacks as president. At an event honoring the Native American Code Talkers at the White House last fall, Trump revived the “Pocahontas” refrain.
“You were here long before any of us were here — although we have a representative in Congress who they say was here a long time ago,” Trump said from a podium inside the Oval Office, where he was flanked by Navajo Code Talkers, who served as radiomen in World War II. “They call her ‘Pocahontas.’ But you know what, I like you, because you are special.”
And at a July 5 rally in Montana, Trump went on an extended riff about Warren, saying he would challenge her to a DNA test if she ever became the Democratic nominee.
“I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian,” Trump said.
Warren, who said she is considering a run for president in 2020, released the results to the Boston Globe, which published them in a front-page story Monday . She cited the findings, and Trump’s pledge, in a tweet directed to the president.
By the way, @realDonaldTrump : Remember saying on 7/5 that you’d give $1M to a charity of my choice if my DNA showed Native American ancestry? I remember – and here's the verdict. Please send the check to the National Indigenous Women’s Resource Center: https://t.co/I6YQ9hf7Tv pic.twitter.com/J4gBamaeeo
— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) October 15, 2018
Asked about Warren’s test results by reporters on the South Lawn Monday morning, Trump was dismissive.
“Who cares?” the president said.
Trump also said he never pledged a million dollars to Warren’s charity of choice if she could prove her Native American heritage.
“I didn’t say that,” the president said. “You better read it again.”
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Trump: “I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you’re an Indian,” Trump said.
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“I didn’t say that,” the president said. “You better read it again.”
The sad part is that his base will completely believe he never said that, even with video proof. Trump truly is a cult leader.
Yep. I was talking to someone the other day about trump. I brought up the pussy grab comments and he said, I don't believe trump ever said that, I need more proof.
All I could do was shake my head. They enable him.
Really?
What actually did you bring up?
Did you say Trump grabs them by the pussy? Because He never said that. It is a Lie perpetrated by the triggered snowflakes on the left.
What he said is, when you are famous they will let you do anything, grab them by the pussy.
He did not ever say he grabbed them by the pussy.
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Wow, you can really spin things to suit your POV.
He wouldn't know that "they let you do it" if he had not done so. The fact is he said it and several people have come forward claiming he sexually assaulted them.
Spin away.
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Hey wait....
Oh wow you was there?
You should take your story to Anderson "Fake News" Cooper. He loves running stories that get the triggered snowflakes jimmes in a bind.
"They let you do it." If he has their consent, it can't be assault.
Wonder if if could still be considered sexual harassment though ?
Yeah we have done this before, Where does it say he grabs women by the pussy?
Come on trump, you can do better than that.
"It" doesn't say. (Whomever it is (?).
It was not It but rather Trump who said that, Macho Man hisself. On the "Hollywood Access Tape" (He didn't realize he was being recorded!)
Is this another instance of Hashtag_Donald_Trump-acting-presidential? Hashtag hashtag making America even greater again?
In case anyone missed it-- here's the tape. Yet another great opportunity to Get Smarter Here (to coin a phrase).
Its quite clear what he said:
(Well, he didn't actually make any lewd remarks-- all he was is that they let you do anything you want-- even grab them by the pussy (whatever that means?)
Probably. There was a story last week about a college student who was reported to the dean for asking a girl out on a date. Once.
If he thinks they have their consent doesn't mean that he really does. His ego is so over-inflated he really does think he can literally get away with murder and everything in between
The lack of women lining up to complain that he grabbed them there is a good indicator, though.
The lack???? The lack????????? Did you really write that?
What pray tell, do you consider 19 as far as a number?
LOL, I saw the damn tape several times. There's no need to spin it, so my question is why do it?
Anyone can "Claim" anything. Melissa Milano was hit three times.....three times in her vagina at a body to body packed concert......so she claims. It was sexual harassment.
By the way….Were is "Christine Ford" now ?
Oh.....and the Lefts bestest friend ever, "Stormy", just got thrown out of court costing her bunches. She should throw her attorney a going away party, on HIS dime......Literally.
19 isn't enough?
I see you're going to cherry pick too. That's sad, I had thought better of you.
He said he just starts kissing them, its like a magnet, just kiss don't even wait. If he is going to do that he sure as hell isn't being allowed to grab them by the pussy. That's not consent and you know it.
And where are they? <crickets>
19 who said he grabbed them there? uh huh.
And where are they now that the election is over? hello? anyone? Bueller?
I think you're assuming that I take this more seriously than I do.
Waiting for trump to sue them, like trump said he would? Oh wait..
So she's invoking the "one drop rule" to claim she has a tiny bit of Native American blood in her veins?
Who the heck cares and what difference does it make?
She, like most American, probably has more Neanderthal DNA than Native American.
The point is that she busted Trump over it whether it be 80% or 1%. Now that she has proven herself, Trump in his usual fashion is denying he ever offered the one million when it is on tape that he did. The only charity Trump believes in is himself.
You do.
LOL… True.
My dad would have had a cow if I pulled that, he’d have paid me but he sure wouldn’t have been happy about it !! …LOL
My dad taught me probably one of the cheapest lessons ever learned when I was about 9 years old about gambling. I had bet him.. MY BET… He won ! He took every cent I had in savings, that was my bet.
And told me sone "Don't bet if your not sure what your betting on and if your not darn sure you are right....OUCH
LOL possibly the cheapest lesson of my life. LOL
More important is what the Cherokee Nation had to say:
" The Cherokee Nation called Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s use of a DNA test to justify her claim of Native American ancestry “inappropriate” on Monday.
“A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship,” the Cherokee Nation said in a statement released Monday. “Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation.”
They added, “Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens.”
What's hilarious to me is that the Daily Storm'troop'er (fucking racist website) lies in their first paragraph.
"The Cherokee Nation called Democratic Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s use of a DNA test to justify her claim of Native American ancestry “inappropriate” on Monday."
But they didn't say that did they. They said “A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship, Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation.”
So they said that it's "inappropriate and wrong" to use DNA tests to try and claim tribal citizenship. They have NO problem with people using DNA to find out whether they have Native American ancestry.
So thanks for proving once again how enormously dishonest conservative Republicans are, where truth is always less important that the lie of the day they're wanting to spin.
“Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong,” Chuck Hoskin Jr, the Cherokee Nation Secretary of State, said in a statement.
“It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven.”
Trump is on record saying many things that are "alternative facts":
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But it doesn't matter to him-- even if its disproven beyond any shadow of a doubt, his loyal base is extremely gullible and believes anything and everything he says.
(Heck-- I bet that even if he shot someone in the street-- say, for example,on 5th Avenue-- it certainly wouldn't diminish support from his loyal groupies!)
You really should !
"I shouldn't tell you because I like to not give away secrets. But let's say I'm debating Pocahontas. I promise you I'll do this: I will take, you know those little kits they sell on television for two dollars? ‘Learn your heritage!’ … And in the middle of the debate , when she proclaims that she is of Indian heritage because her mother said she has high cheekbones — that is her only evidence, her mother said we have high cheekbones. We will take that little kit -- but we have to do it gently. Because we're in the #MeToo generation, so I have to be very gentle. And we will very gently take that kit, and slowly toss it, hoping it doesn't injure her arm, and we will say: ‘I will give you a million dollars to your favorite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian.’ And let’s see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no. But we’ll hold that for the debates . Do me a favor and keep it within this room, because I don’t want to keep any secrets."
So Trump did say he would give $1 million to a charity of Warren’s choice, but he said he would do it while engaging with Warren in a political debate.
TRUMP WAS "CORRECT" AGAIN !
Trump's too stupid to know how to work the two dollar "kit".
It's gotta be ruff,ruff,ruff….woof...….. when the "Actual" wording comes to light....huh John.
I suppose she didn't "prove" it, but this test, by a credible authority, definitely gives credence to what Warren has said all along, that her family oral history recounted American Indian heritage in the family's past. She is vindicated and Trump looks like an idiot again. What else is new?
Actually, she and the university both look like idiots for trying to pretend that a 1% connection is significant. There is nothing in Elizabeth Warren's life experience that has any connection to living as a native in this country. That's been the whole point all along.
Actually, 1/1023rd or 1024th is less than 1%.
Would that be North or South American Indian Heritage?
Whoops!
IT went from "my parents had to elope because my grandmother was native american," to "well, like pretty much every white person in America, there's a chance that one of my 1,024 GGGG etc grandparents was native american."
Good thing Harvard listed her as a minority professor.(at least until she got tenure, then she forgot about her roots).
That whole post is pretty much a misstatement.
When did it got from that? Please post links of her making those quoted statements.
Take away from this, trump is an asshole and lies constantly. His proponents cheer him on. Nothing new.
I may be mistaken, but I am pretty sure that was settled quite a while ago.
Ha. True. My bad.
"And I think I'm guarded anyway. But I'm not saying I trust everybody in the White House. I'm not a baby. It's a tough business. This is a vicious place. Washington, DC, is a vicious, vicious place. The attacks ... the bad-mouthing, the speaking behind your back. But, you know, and in my way, I feel very comfortable here."
Elizabeth Warren is still whiter than Ivory soap
Go to heated discussions. I will tell you exactly what I think of you.
I knew he would renege on his earlier word
He should pay $976, or 1/1024 of a million dollars, since that's all she can maybe prove.
At least that would be something. I don't think he'll even send a dollar
What you call proof and the rest of the world calls proof are two different things.
What's YOUR proof?
I read the material. Try it sometime.
Trump now says that he will give her the million dollars if she allows him to conduct a DNA test on her himself.
No joke.
Since he cheats on everything he does, she would be crazy to make him the tester. No doubt he would contaminate the sample.
Warren relied on family oral history, she certainly isn't the first or the last to do so when it comes to claiming NA heritage.
Since all the experts on NT seem to know what she has and hasn't done to address this you should be giving her a bit of credit for addressing it with real Indians, face to face and taking some pretty serious questions. That is something that the Liar in Chief can't or won't do.
Since attacking Warren seems to be the ''in thing'' for claiming native heritage perhaps you should be attacking the Liar in Chief for the constant use of the insulting term of calling Warren ''Pocahontas'' or when he commented on her dog, ''Sniffing Bull''.....I guess that's ok since it's only insulting natives.
Trump is a liar of the highest order.
My wife grew up with almost the exact same 'family story' as Warren except that she has a picture of her grandmother and she sure as hell looks like she has NA blood. Her brothers, sister and all of her cousins have been telling that story all of their lives. Half of them have dreamcatchers and other NA décor in their homes.
She wanted to get a DNA test to see just how much NA blood she had so I got her a test kit for Xmas. She came back as just about the whitest white woman in America. All of their bubbles were burst that day and I kind of feel guilty for being a part of it.
I probably have NA blood since my peeps on Mom's side have been here since the 1500s.
For those of you who seem to be overly concerned by Warren's blood quantum it's interesting to note that Bill John Baker the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah OK. is 1/32 Native blood that works out of 3.1 %.....If you have a problem with the percent of native blood that Warren has perhaps you should bring it up with Chief Baker or forever [deleted]
It quite common for oral history of families to claim Native blood, some do some don't. It's not a huge deal and if it's an honest mistake by the family/person I really don't seen any great harm as long as when they find out it's not true do not carry on the story.
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Now if I could only get the GIANT [2'] dreamcatcher out of my guest BR...it's a pain in the ass to dust.
Actually, it looks like YOU missed the part that Mexico, Columbia and Peru are in North, South or Central AMERICA and that there is a LARGE population of 'Native Americans' there. Sheesh.
KD - think you may need to back off a bit.
Chief Baker is a Citizen of the Cherokee Nation in accordance with their Constitution and By-Laws which is in accordance with the Indian Reorganization Act of 1934.
Each and every tribe has different tribal/nation membership qualifications. Some require 5/8ths, some 1/2, some 1/4, some require that a person can actually trace a relative to a roll as authorized by Congress/BIA/Tribe/Nation.
True - there is no collective Native American database, but a few tribes do have DNA databases, but they will not use that database for genealogical purposes. Instead it will be used for disease control - TB/cancer/hepatitis/etc.
"Indigenous Peoples" if you don't mind
I know just about every family in the northeast has had that situation of claiming some indigenous blood. Yes even mine. But I don't put much stock in it... (and no I don't claim it) I was born here, that makes me a Native American, just like most everyone else is...
Indigenous Native Americans have the right to protect their culture and honor their ancestors as we all do. Without interlopers. if Genetics was able to narrow down someone's heritage in anything but general/generic terms there would be political hell to pay.
I don't think anyone would like to be forced to include those who have no familial connection into their family....
We are all of one biological matrix, that is the human genome. So even in our differences, we are the same.....
Good to see you posting again my friend....
I absolutely agree 1st, NO ONE should have there genetics catalogued for political purposes.....
Since it seems to be a big deal with some on this tread pointing out that the Chief of the Cherokee Nation is 1/32 seemed to be quite germane to the comments. Sorry if you can't see that.
Didn't miss it at all, perhaps your having a difficult time comprehending the results.
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It obvious from your lack of understanding of bloodlines or more accurately blood quantaum is only one part of a of being Native American. Each tribe sets the rules for enrollment in that tribe. So the low bar that you brought up seems to be one that you trip over on a regular basis.
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Sorry if I offended your sensibilities MUVA, but after the reams of nonsense you've posted over the last few months STFU is quite mild.
Do you?
LOL, what are you talking about, I only point out the truth. Too bad you can't see it, but being full of it seems to be your forte.
Sure you do...LOL
Basically your the laughable one. But, please carry on, your inability to express a coherent thought is entertaining.
I'm sure that you think you do, but delusions of grandior seem to have a hold on you.
Say it again Sam.
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Seems to me that someone of your self professed caliber would be pissed at Warren, not defending her.
The Tribe has asked numerous times for Warren to quit exploiting them for her personal gain but it seems that partisan politics weigh in more for you than a specific tribes sovereignty.
So much for all that tribal oneness you proclaim.
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I would think that Trump would be the last person to question Warren on her heritage...His lying father claimed to be Swedish for decades and denied being German...
Liars run in the family.
They run from the IRS also.
The woman billed as Harvard Law's First Woman of Color proves she as much "color" as pretty much every other white american.
What a brave pioneer she was for the Native American Community.
I named my Jeep Elizabeth Warren, it is white and says Cherokee on the side
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The fact that this issue is so important to Democrats that Warren actually took a DNA test pretty much explains why Trump has lost zero supporters and why the blue wave is a joke. These are the things that matter to partisan Dems more than actual ideas.
Lol! It’s important to Democrats?! You guys haven’t shut up about it ever since you realized it’s literally all you have on Warren. Fucking pathetic.
Actually the fact that Warren is a far left socialist is far more important than any fake claims about her heritage.
That has nothing to do with the extensive oppo research Republicans ran on Warren, and only came up with one pathetic little issue that nobody even cares about. But Trump needed a nickname to attack her with, so he went with Pocahontas. He didn’t even get how degrading it was to the NA community when he used it right in front of them. He is truly the biggest moron this country has ever puked up.
The only time she comes up is when the [deleted] runs an article on her Native American qualifications. Not sure about you, but I don't spend much time at all thinking about her, while it seems to blow your blood pressure through the roof, basing this, of course, on reading your words.
Lol! Do you live under a rock? Trump brings it up at every one of his self-adulation rallies, and even brought it up at an event honoring Native Americans.
"He didn’t even get how degrading it was to the NA community"
From what I've heard it sounds like the Cherokee Nation is more offended by Warren and her cultural appropriation.
I suppose they would rather she roll over and let Trump continue to mock her in public forever, using their honor as a floor mat?
She could just drop her ridiculous claim since it has become a punchline and absurd to the extreme. But I'm guessing the left will double down on misleading headlines and fake news.
Great great great grandmother - 1 generation
Great great grandmother - 2 generations
Great grandmother - 3 generations
Grandmother- 4 generations
Mother - 5 generations
Elizabeth - 6 generations
DNA result - Native American within last 6 to 10 generations.
Warren family story - Sarah (EW's great great great grandmother) was Native American . Likelihood she was , via the science AND the family history ? Substantial.
Do any of you disputing Warren ever think about what the hell you say? It doesnt seem like it.
Elizabeth Warrens claim (that she was told her great great great grandmother was Native American) is NOT AT ALL disproved by the DNA test. To the contrary, the DNA test makes it more likely Warren was right.
Why are the masses of Americans so damn proud of being ignorant?
Warren claimed her own mother was so obvious she was Cherokee and Delaware that her fathers family didn't want him to marry her. That is going back ONE generation. Her claim of going back to six generations is AT BEST. It could only go back to tenth generation- which puts it two hundreds years AT THE EARLIEST. Why are liberals so ignorant and insulting to others intelligence that they think 1/1024th counts as an officially recognized Native American?? She got caught in a lie and you guys on the left just can't let it go.
She did not lie about her heritage. DNA testing proved that. It is in the article.
Trump claimed Warren had no Native American blood in her and, he did say that he would give a million dollars to her favorite charity if she took a DNA test to prove her claim, he didn't say that she had to prove that she was full Native American, just that she had Native American blood, she did that, so, Trump is welching on a bet. Total loser.
Pay up or, shut up Trump. Of course I'd prefer the later choice.
Here's something I've kept secret for a long long time-- I myself am half Scotch and half Water!
LOL. We're supposed to be impressed that - at most - she's 1.5% native? And maybe as little as 9/100ths of 1%? Is that a joke? That's a big enough percentage that she felt it warranted being part of her bio? WHY?
Are we supposed to think she lived life as a native in any way? Trump probably has more native in him than she does. She doesn't get it. She's as white as anybody but she's trying to claim some kind of intersectional value (and the university was trying to give itself "diversity" virtue) by placing herself in a group of historically oppressed minorities. That's ridiculous.
I did the ancestry DNA thing and it says I'm 2% or 3% West African, but that doesn't mean I can reasonably go around telling people I'm black. I haven't lived life as black in any way. Although, I do tan well.
So, Warren's horrible transgression is leading people to believe she had a significant amount of native blood when she only had a little bit. I'm sorry, but BIG FUCKING DEAL! Anyone who accepts Trump has NO business criticizing anyone over something so trivial.
It's not an accident. That was her intent and the university's intent. Both did it to enhance their reputations. That's why it's deserving of the mockery.
I think yoiu should give Rachel Dolezal an official pardon too.
If Liz Warren is Native American, then everyone is; and if everyone is, then no one is. That's a much more serious threat of "cultural appropriation" than 99.9% of what the Left constantly complains about.
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You all miss the meaning of this story. Warren's family chose to emphasize that they had a Native American in the family heritage. Probably a lot of families wouldn't find much if any meaning in the fact that a great great great grandmother was partly of a particular ethnicity, but evidently this family did. I seriously doubt if they had evil intent in passing down this family lore.
In other words , it's not a big deal, and who gives a fuck? The political right tries to make hay off of it, but sensible people don't care, and don't care that Warren occasionally referenced her heritage in speeches and the like. No one fucking cares Sean, except Trump and his demented acolytes.
I think that it's much more entertaining that Fredie Trump passed himself off as Swedish and not the German that he was...Liar's really run in the Trump family...
I wonder why the lying POS did that, any guesses?
Racism was part of the reason behind why her parents eloped.
Many families claim to have an indigenous in their family tree. My father's family claimed that story all my life. Then I did a DNA test. I don't think you can find a whiter person in America than me
LOL...
Yep My grandmother said she had some native American so we did as well. How much it was or is I have no idea grandmas gone and I dont remember the percent she quoted but I knew even if true buy the time it reached down to me it wasn't much.
Funny thing is though although I can grow a mustache and bread I have no hair on the sides of my face, I 've never had to shave there, that's nice!
Whether there is any connection, again I dont know. But somehow even having or even believing I have some native american in me somehow makes me fee a little more connected to the land we call America.
It also makes me sad and kinda sick to think of what happened to the native Americans so we are Now inhabit here.
I know.. weird..
PS: I've never had a DNA test and am leary of the ones I see advertised on TV. I saw a article where they sent the same DNA sames to numerous TV advertised DNA testers and came back with different results. Whose gonna prove em false ?
IF I do ever have a DNA test I'll be sure it's thru an accepted reliable source after seeing that news story. Ya get what ya pay for... If your liucky !
As I got older and gained more knowledge about where the different tribes were located, I started questioning my family's claims. The claim was Cherokee. LOL! My family has never been further west than the Allegheny River. If they had claimed any of the Iroquois Nation tribes, I might not have been as skeptical.
LOL.... I have no idea what tribe we were supposed to be from any more. I'm horrible with names including names of anything . Bands, sports teams, people. It kinda sucks but it does lead me to treat em all with respect cause I treat em all the same most of the time. My music, my baseball team and my family and my friends. My best friend says "That's fucked up man!"
I agree.
Hi Trout,
Cherokee of the Eastern Band didn't make the march out west, although they are typically found a few hundred miles south of Pennsylvania.
I saw my paternal Grandfather when I was young. He was as dark as any of the famous Chiefs and Warriors in the old photos.
My paternal Grandmother also thought she was part Cherokee but some genealogical study in the '80s pointed to Algonquin, which one would think was Canadian, She never lived there.
They met in Ohio of all places.
Well, since my family's claims were all bogus, it doesn't really matter but I would think that if the family never moved westward beyond the Alleghenies or south towards the Mason-Dixon Line, one can't say the tribe was Cherokee. That just makes no sense to me since if I remember my PA history correctly, there were many different tribes in Western PA but definitely not Cherokee. More like Mohawk and Algonquin.
Cherokee are Algonquin.
Yep, pretty much everybody you bump into on the east coast, except Florida, has a relative from back in 17 ought 6 who was half Cherokee. It's a popular tribe. Maybe Cher caused that popularity? She was pretty hot you know.
I could be mistaken, but I thought the umbrella was Iroquois for both?
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I really don't know shit
Just my two cents on here.
The Iroquois and the Algonquin are the two umbrella tribes in the eastern area. In fact, historically, they didn't like each other very much. Both are in NY.
I always thought that the Iroquois was actually a "nation" of different tribes. And that the nation extended all up and down the east coast. Is that correct?
The Iroquois Confederacy is believed to have been founded by the Peacemaker in 1142, bringing together five distinct nations in the southern Great Lakes area into "The Great League of Peace". ... From east to west, the League was composed of the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, and Seneca nations. In the 1700's, after the Cherokee chased them out of the SE, the Tuscarora were added as the sixth nation.
Great stuff 1st.
As we are talking, I thought there was a tie in between the Mohawk and Cherokee as well. Do you recall any of that?
Been there...re-visit the place sometimes too...
At the time of the first European settlements in North America, Algonquian tribes occupied what is now New Brunswick, and much of what is now Canada east of the Rocky Mountains; what is now New England, New Jersey, southeastern New York, Delaware and down the Atlantic Coast through the Upper South; and around the Great Lakes in present-day Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Indiana and Iowa. They were mostly concentrated in the New England region. The homeland of the Algonquian peoples is not known. At the time of the European arrival, the hegemonic Iroquois federation, based in present-day New York and Pennsylvania, was regularly at war with Algonquian neighbors.
The Algonquian Native Americans are the most extensive and numerous North American groups with hundreds of original tribes speaking several related dialects of the language group, Algonkian. They lived in most of the Canadian territory below the Hudson Bay and between the Atlantic Ocean and the Rocky Mountains. There are presently approximately 8,000 Algonquian living in Canada, organized into 10 separate First Nations; nine are in Quebec and one in Ontario. The Algonquian included also the Delaware, Mohican, Montauk, Munsee, and Wappinger and were centered in the Hudson Valley and on Long Island.
Dave - believe this "may" be where there "could" be a tie/link of Mohawk and Cherokee -
Unlike most other Indians in the American southeast at the start of the historic era, the Cherokee spoke an Iroquoian language. Since the Great Lakes region was the core of Iroquoian language speakers, scholars have theorized that the Cherokee migrated south from that region. However, some argue that the Iroquois migrated north from the southeast, with the Tuscarora breaking off from that group during the migration. Linguistic analysis shows a relatively large difference between Cherokee and the northern Iroquoian languages, suggesting a split in the distant past. Glottochronology studies suggest the split occurred between about 1,500 and 1,800 B.C. The ancient settlement of Kituwa on the Tuckasegee River, formerly next to and now part of Qualla Boundary (the reservation of the Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians), is often cited as the original Cherokee settlement in the Southeast.
This discussion makes an easy mental map of some of the trade routes we have surmised.
We have found arrowheads made of a type of chert found in areas in the north east, like NY and north and into Canada. These were found in areas along the Patuxent that may have been occupied by either the Patuxant or Piscataway.
1st, Fascinating.
Now you've given me another research project.
Of course, I'll have to figure out trade routes to the Cahokia.
Thank you.
Thanks for the history lesson, 1st. I got a little smarter today
Hi Perrie, just my 2 cents as well.
It is my understanding, if we back up further in time, we find that languages of the Cherokee and of the Algonquin tribes are Iroquoian. Of course, I could be wrong, but this tells me the Iroquois was more of a root for both.
Then the more I learn there is most likely something or many somethings that came even earlier.
Like I said, I could be wrong.
You all miss the meaning of this story
It's almost as if you don't understand the story. It's not about her telling stories about having Indian decent. Certainly, if she falsely called herself Irish no one would care.
I can't believe you aren't aware that there are legal ramifications and benefits from claiming Indian decent. In case you weren't aware, there's this whole legal regime in place that allows universities (where she wanted to work) to racially discriminate in favor of native Americans. This isn't about her family stories, its about lying about her ethnicity to advance her career. She always described herself as white until suddenly, when it became advantageous to her career, she suddenly started advertising herself as a minority. Harvard gets criticized for lack of diversity and voila! a woman and minority to hire. A twofer! And then, when she achieves tenure, she's white again.
Jesus John, can you not tell the difference between informally telling people you have Indian ancestors and representing yourself as the first woman of color professor at Harvard Law School?
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It is REMARKABLE that people who excuse every lying sack of shit thing Trump says on a daily basis, can get so worked into a frenzy over someone's claim to an ethnic background based on family history stories. Remarkable and inexplicable.
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It's not the claim that Warren made of having some Native American blood in her, it's that it was a Progressive Democrat who made the claim that has these folks so worked up, if Trump had made that claim then the Right would be up in arms against anyone who said it wasn't true.
Us humans do see what we want to see where we want to see it that’s for sure.
Seeing what I don’t want to see sometimes isn’t quite so easy for me.
I kinda doubt I’m alone.
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I know when I find out I was wrong on something I get pissed... LOL It sucks, but I figure its still better than moving forward believing something wrong. ... it still sucks ....lol
I think that's why I dont look to hard to see what I dont want to see though.
Elizabeth Warren came to believe that she had a native American portion to her ethnic makeup. Whether she exaggerated it or those who told her the stories exaggerated it, or were simply misinformed, hardly matters.
What today's news does do is prove that neither she or her family members were completely making it up. There was at least one American Indian in their heritage.
No one outside of the easily inflamed political right cares about this non-story.
This is your seed, right?
yes it is
I would assume that based on your posts that you're not a member of the "easily inflamed political right". So does that mean this "non-story" seed is one of those red meat seeds I've read about?
So, what you are saying is that she is smart enough to be a Law Professor at one of the most esteemed universities in the United States, if not the world, but she wasn't smart enough to verify the tales she had been told as a kid, until now?
Understood.
Warren claimed that she had "no idea" how or why Harvard Law listed her as their "first woman of color". Hmmm...
From left-wing Politico, 2012:
In 1986, Warren started calling herself a minority in legal directories. The same year, this movie came out
Coincidence?
Yes.
I don't know, perhaps Sean is on to something. Hollywoods apparent endorsement of cultural appropriation might have encouraged her. I'll have to do more research on the matter, now I'm curious as to when "The Jerk" was released.
Link? Still waiting for you to support your BS.
Seeing that you posted an internal error message, how do we know if it is coincidence or not because we have no idea what movie. Surely you saw the error yet still posted it.
I think youtube just took a dump. i was in the middle of an anthropological lecture and youtube died.
Then I tried other youtube vids and they all have the same problem.
I came here just now to see if the youtube vids would process here better. Looks like not.
Just went to Youtube and no videos are available.
This proves these special hire and acceptance programs are a waste
Charger, this claim has been proven wrong twice on here today, once by me and, once by John so, why do you all keep making it?
Because they make filling a quota more important than being best
Because I have personally been cheated by special hire programs
WTF does that have to do with Warren? There is OVERWHELMING evidence that Warren was hired by Harvard because of her OUTSTANDING qualifications. Every single person that was on the board has stated that FACT.
Cry me a river...
So, why did she have to make an extra claim to up her odds?
And, that has to do with the Rights claim about Warren how?
You think I should let stuff like that slide?
What extra claim?
the special preference should not have been there in first place
that she had Indian blood and that made her extra important
Read carefully, Harvard law school did not, d.i.d. n.o.t., use her reference of having Native American blood in her to decide if she was qualified for the job at Harvard,
Now, you can bitch and, moan about not being selected for a job but, don't try to say that Warren used that to get her jobs because, unless you are blind, you can read for yourself she did not do that.
Read 25.1.14
Where did she claim it made her "extra important"?
But Harvard listed her that way and acted like that made Harvard somehow better
just by doing it, otherwise what was point of claiming it?
Harvard, aren't they currently in the middle of a discrimination lawsuit?
That sounds more like Harvard's problem than hers, she never put on her application for a job any claims that she was a minority, if Harvard made that mistake that is on them, not her.
I don't see where Warren ever claimed it to be somehow more "special", that seems to be your claim that she made that claim and, you are doing it without any proof.
I don't know, ask them.
I don't know, are they?
Sounds like a personal problem to me. As Cher would say, "Get over it".
" Harvard's problem than hers"
Harvard acts like it is the smartest place there is and they just can not be wrong about anything.
"Get over it" WHAT ain't I as important as the ones you like?
Logic would also tell you that when the hiring board says that only her qualifications as a law professor were considered then that is what was used to hire her.
Well, gee wiz Charger, don't ya know that Harvard is full of something called humans? Some of them ain't too smart.
Yeah. It would be surprising to hear anyone with affiliations to admit to making any decision based on ethnicity, gender, etc. at this point.
Hell, Charger, I got into college on my own intelligence and, got my jobs on my own merits, I never had to claim anything that wasn't true. You keep trying to say that Warren was claiming something to get her jobs, she never did, as I have shown you but, you keep trying to claim it anyway so, as I said, "Get over it". So you missed out on a few jobs that you might not have been as qualified for as the person who beat you out for it but, you want to claim they somehow "cheated" to get that job, it seems to me you can't accept the truth that you might not be as qualified in some areas as other people are. Get over it.
That is a problem all over
Just Harvard wants rest of us to think they is real smart ain't never been wrong and anybody ever associated with Harvard just can't be wrong 'bout nothin. Specially anything bout their law school
(but I am just an old Virginia hillbilly)
Are you saying that a Republican would lie about such a thing?
But ain't Harvard the greatest, most best, super duper University that would only have the very best? How could they have a regular or normal human working there?
And where exactly would they get that idea from? Harvard Staff/Faculty is not known for their stupidity.
look at her source:
"Daily Caller"
And yet they still felt the need to tell the world they had hired a Native American.
Did you read the quote I provided or, did you just stop at the comment I made about the person being a Republican who made the quote? Nice try at deflecting.
Can we get back to what Hillary eats for breakfast ?
Nah, everyone knows its kittens for breakfast, puppies for lunch and babies for supper.
No one told you to read the article or comment on it.
Speaking of Hillaryious Hillary, did you here her latest reason for losing to President Trump? Because her hair was messed up and her clothes were wrinkly.
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Provide the quote and source please.
It's only Cheerios, but somebody pees in it.
Too bad She did not opt to ignore the Idiot in Chief, now She as many before Her has been sucked into Mr. Trumps web of idiocy.
More kabuki theater, He will never let this go, just as He kept the birther nonsense and previous blither blather alive, He will keep this going for eternity. Her best option is to tell Mr. Trump respectfully (as He is the President) to go f#$k himself, if nothing else it will keep Him occupied in the attempt.
So she does a bogus test (that does not include US native American indians, and that she came up 1/1000th of a percent on...and that is columbialn and paruvian indian ....6th generation at the absolute best.) and now you think Trump should pay her a million LMFAO!!!!! Are you chanting "we beleive women" right now too?
Warren doesn't seem to get that the act of getting the test and making this video is an offensive cultural appropriation for the purpose of political gain. She has actually made things worse for herself and her party.
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No one but trump's base paid any attention to trump's stupid comments about Warren. All she did was bring this issue to the forefront and give trump's comments validation.
Warren should have kept her mouth shut but she's so arrogant that she had to prove trump wrong.
This is the danger of being "dead" right.
Exactly ! What ever happened to the ability to just keep one's mouth shut ??? It's often the best response.