Look at These Cheap Bastards With Their Miserable Plan to Take Your Relief Money

  

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Via:  john-russell  •  4 weeks ago  •  51 comments

By:   Charles P. Pierce (Esquire)

Look at These Cheap Bastards With Their Miserable Plan to Take Your Relief Money
No Republican Covid relief proposal can be trusted as long as Mitch McConnell is a living, breathing congressional leader.

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No Republican Covid relief proposal can be trusted as long as Mitch McConnell is a living, breathing congressional leader.

By Charles P. Pierce Feb 1, 2021 SAUL LOEBGetty Images

So it seems that 10 Republicans are visiting the White House today so that the president can tell them that they're all miserable skinflints who want their fellow citizens to die gasping and broke. That's how it seems to me, anyway. From the AP:

The Republican group's proposal focuses on the pandemic's health effects rather than its economic toll, tapping into bipartisan urgency to shore up the nation's vaccine distribution and vastly expanding virus testing with $160 billion in aid. Their slimmed down $1,000 direct payments would go to fewer households than the $1,400 Biden has proposed, and they would avoid costly assistance to states and cities that Democrats argue are just as important.

There's also no provision for raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, so, it's nice of y'all to come by, and make sure to stop by the gift shop on your way out, but, no, this is a non-starter. And this is arrant nonsense.

"We recognize your calls for unity and want to work in good faith with your Administration to meet the health, economic, and societal challenges of the COVID crisis," the 10 GOP senators wrote to Biden. "We share many of your priorities."

The overture from the coalition of 10 GOP senators, mostly centrists, is an attempt to show that at least some in the Republican ranks want to work with Biden's new administration, rather than simply operating as the opposition in the minority in Congress. But Democrats are wary of using too much time courting GOP support that may not materialize or deliver too meager a package as they believe happened during the 2009 recovery.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 290 times, shame on me. No Republican proposal on anything can be trusted as long as Mitch McConnell is a living, breathing congressional leader. Democrats—and this president, especially—have been down this road so often that they should buy a home on the cut de sac that is its inevitable end. The Republicans can intone the conjuring word, "bipartisan," as often as they want. There are no buyers across the table for their magic beans anymore. If the president wants to have the gang over so he can turn them down personally, I have no problem with that.

The problem with the Republican proposal is not that their congressional leadership can't be trusted. (Pro tip: It can't.) It's that their proposal doesn't remotely meet the needs of the country which is in the middle of the worst public-health crisis in a century, and the worst economic slump in at least half that time. These two crises are feeding off each other with unprecedented destructive energy and the Republicans came to the White House on Monday bearing a mop and a bucket. White House press secretary Jen Psaki came right to the point in her briefing that preceded the meeting.

I appreciate the opportunity to give more comment on their proposal. I think if they put their ideas forward, that's how the president sees it, he felt it was an effort to engage on a bipartisan basis. And that's why he invited them to the White House today. But his view is that the size of the package needs to be commensurate with the crises we are facing—the dual crises we are facing—hence why he proposed a package that is $1.9 trillion...

He outlined the specifics of what he would like to see in the package in his primetime speech just a few weeks ago. There are some realities as we look to what the American people are going through. One in seven American families don't have enough food to eat. We will not have enough funding to reopen schools. We don't have funding to ensure that we can get the vaccine in the arms of Americans. There are real impacts that he will reiterate, as he he has publicly and privately in many conversation. They have put forth some ideas and he is happy to hear from them. He also feels strongly about the need to make sure the size of the package meets this moment and feels the American people expect that of their elected officials as well.

It appears as though there is a new sheriff in town. In Congress, the slim Democratic majorities on both houses are preparing to pass Biden's package through reconciliation, if that's what it takes, bipartisanship be damned. (Expect an ensemble of scalded cats bellowing about things being rammed down throats etc.) But it seems that the White House is planning to take advantage of the fact that its proposal is actually popular out in the country beyond the green rooms of the Capitol studios. In addition, over the weekend, the administration sent an unmistakable shot across the bow of two Democratic "moderates" who have been inclined to make mischief in the past.

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Senators Joe Manchin of West Virginia and Kirsten Sinema of Arizona looked up and saw vice-president Kamala Harris all over the local media in their respective states, pushing hard for the administration's relief plan. At the very least, Manchin got the message. From WSAZ:

"I saw [the interview], I couldn't believe it. No one called me [about it]," Manchin said. "We're going to try to find a bipartisan pathway forward, but we need to work together. That's not a way of working together."

The vice-president doesn't need Joe Manchin's permission to talk to anyone anywhere. I realize that it's been a long time since a Democratic president played this kind of hardball, but a little touch of LBJ is what's needed right now. In a proper, bipartisan manner, everybody should get used to that.

Charles P Pierce is the author of four books, most recently Idiot America, and has been a working journalist since 1976.


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JohnRussell
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1  seeder  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

I saw a news story yesterday about the number of Americans that are dipping into their retirement savings in order to pay current bills. It is a considerable figure. 

I'm not sure why the Republicans want to nickel and dime stimulus money in the name of keeping the national debt down, but hopefully it will boomerang on them in future elections. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

Nickel and dime John????  They cut the guts outta the Dems "Hey, let's pay for EVERYTHING and screw the people who really need it" - ya know, like the small businesses who have gone out of business, the Mom and Pop stores who got burned down by the Dem/Lib riots during a 10 month period, stopping payment to Pakistan to conduct Gender Studies, etc..

There is nothing bipartisan about the Dem plan when the Dems/Libs are only talking to 10 out of 262 Repubs - NOT EVEN 10%.  

Yeah, that's gonna work really well.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  1stwarrior @1.1    4 weeks ago

Hardly.  The small businesses/Mom and Pop stores were 'burned down' by Supply Side Economics which shifted manufacture and even much of the Service Sector overseas which purposely increased the profits of the economic upper tiers by hundreds of per cents.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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1.1.2  gooseisgone  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
The small businesses/Mom and Pop stores were 'burned down' by Supply Side Economics

No,  they were burned down by BLM and Antifa. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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2  Texan1211    4 weeks ago

Leave it to the Biden Admin. to alienate some of the very members they need to get things done.

Not too smart!

Don't they realize that the Senate is evenly split?

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3  Ronin2    4 weeks ago
There's also no provision for raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, so, it's nice of y'all to come by, and make sure to stop by the gift shop on your way out, but, no, this is a non-starter. And this is arrant nonsense.

Idiotic Democrats that think raising the minimum wage during a recession is a good idea. That will make businesses want to go out and hire more people during a depressed economy. Nothing like giving businesses the big kiss off; and then getting mad when they reduce the number of people they employ.

Biden must have gone to the Obama school of "Never let a good crisis go to waste".

Bipartisan means give and take; it does not mean capitulate- which is what the Democrats want. Biden is proving that with every EO signed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Ronin2 @3    4 weeks ago
Idiotic Democrats that think raising the minimum wage during a recession is a good idea. That will make businesses want to go out and hire more people during a depressed economy. Nothing like giving businesses the big kiss off; and then getting mad when they reduce the number of people they employ.

You do understand that he is only increasing minimum wage for federal employees, not private businesses, don't you?  I mean, otherwise your little rant would look amazingly foolish.

Nothing like giving businesses the big kiss off

Oh, wait........LOL

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    4 weeks ago
You do understand that he is only increasing minimum wage for federal employees, not private businesses, don't you? 

someone might want to tell Bernie and AOC that , because thats not whats being told to their voters and  thats not whats being understood by many people.

 besides most federal employees already make more than whats being stated .

 if it actually is a federally mandated min wage it would affect everyone who gets a paycheck , not just fed employees

 a fed min wage goes for everyone with very few exceptions allowed.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.1    4 weeks ago
besides most federal employees already make more than whats being stated

Then why all the right wingers on NT in such a tizzy?

if it actually is a federally mandated min wage it would affect everyone who gets a paycheck , not just fed employees

It's not.  Normally I'd suggest you look it up for yourself, but if you haven't looked yet it means you are afraid to look and are working on being willfully ignorant.

a fed min wage goes for everyone with very few exceptions allowed.

Again, you are trying to make a false dichotomy by pushing a knowingly false narrative.  If you have to lie to support your argument, your argument isn't worth much.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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3.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ozzwald @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

as for why are the righties in a tizzy, you would have to ask them , not me , like i posted earlier i dont give a rip because it wont affect me , and if im right ,prices will go up on everything shortly after , if your right , there is gonna be a lot of really pissed off voters that were counting on that raise in the min wage that wont apply to them  so their stuck slinging the hash for the same pay, dont think they will forget that come time to vote . like i said its going to be fun to watch either way.

 how you keep getting off ignore i have no clue , but one more time into the breach for you 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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3.1.4  Ozzwald  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @3.1.3    4 weeks ago
how you keep getting off ignore i have no clue , but one more time into the breach for you

My dropping off your "ignore list", in no way forces you to reply to anything I say.  That was your choice entirely.

 
 
 
gooseisgone
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3.1.5  gooseisgone  replied to  Ozzwald @3.1    3 weeks ago
You do understand that he is only increasing minimum wage for federal employees, not private businesses, don't you?  I mean, otherwise your little rant would look amazingly foolish.

Really...........I guess Newsweek looks foolish then:

If the bill passes, by 2025, the minimum wage would be $15 for most workers, including workers with disabilities. By 2027, untipped and teenaged workers would also be paid a minimum of $15. The  federal minimum wage is enforced in 21 states , including Georgia and Texas, which either don't have a state minimum wage or have one under $7.25. The  minimum wage in most states is already higher  than $7.25, like Massachusetts, where it is set at $13.50. The legislation claims that it would give nearly 32 million workers a raise, with the average affected year-round worker seeing an annual pay increase of around $3,300.

Who Does the Federal Minimum Wage Apply To? Raise the Wage Act Seeks $15 an Hour (newsweek.com)

WOW !!!!! 32 milliion federal employees making under 15 bucks an hour, who knew. 

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    4 weeks ago

384 Is it any wonder that the once Grand Old Party of Abraham Lincoln is now known merely as the gop?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4    4 weeks ago

 The only wonder is why anyone would call it the Party of Lincoln like we are back in the 1850's and 1860's when everyone else has only ever referred to it as the GOP.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    4 weeks ago
ike we are back in the 1850's and 1860's

Well, they are democrats...and we all know what they supported in the 1850s and 1860s....

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.2  JBB  replied to  bugsy @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

You have amnesia about the gop since 1964!

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

And yet, he refers to it as the GOP--like every other person besides you does.

Gee, I wonder who is wrong--every other person in America or you?

LOL!

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  JBB @4.1.2    4 weeks ago

Correct.  The Ku Kluxers left the D's and fled to the R's when the D's picked up the Civil rights and Voter Rights Mantra in 1964.  And lo and behold less than six years later the R's proudly brought forth and implemented The Southern Strategy which continues to breath on this very day.

As far as McConnell-------he loathes any money or relief for The Middle Class, much preferring any economic mechanism to enable more wealth to be pushed into the control of the elites.  This is what it is, folks.  This is what he is.  And this is the only thing that has kept him in his position.

 
 
 
bugsy
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4.1.5  bugsy  replied to  bbl-1 @4.1.4    3 weeks ago
The Ku Kluxers left the D's and fled to the R's when the D's picked up the Civil rights and Voter Rights Mantra in 1964.  And lo and behold less than six years later the R's proudly brought forth and implemented The Southern Strategy which continues to breath on this very day

Nothing more than leftist socialist revisionist history.

 
 
 
FLYNAVY1
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4.1.6  FLYNAVY1  replied to  bugsy @4.1.5    3 weeks ago

Right  Bugsy....

And I take it those were civil rights leaders breaking into Congress on 6JAN21, not Trump supporting white supremacist's?  Along side of them were "Rule of Law" GOP supporting QAnon types that were beating cops with the American Flag, and killing cops?

No.... No revisionist history here.  Just you not wanting to admit to historical or even recent facts.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5  Mark in Wyoming     4 weeks ago

IMHO i think we are in for a very interesting next 2 years.

personally i cant wait to see what happens with that $15 an hr min wage , and im already hearing some on the left think thats not enough and it should be $20 an hr.

 it wont affect me since im semi retired and if i choose to work i make a hell of a lot more than that an hr.

what it does mean is i wont be going out to eat in fast food places and will gravitate to better and more upscale sit down places to eat. y'all know, a place where a host/hostess greets and seats you , and they have a beer and wine, cocktail list.

 of course what will actually be fun to watch is if and when this wage increase happens , the inevitable raise in rents , commodities and utilities goes up , just as it always does to correspond to any wage shift .

 
 
 
Snuffy
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5.1  Snuffy  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5    4 weeks ago

And what about all the stories we heard out of Seattle about some businesses installing more robotics in order to reduce staffing. Or some people actually cutting the  hours worked to reduce the costs to business or in one story to reduce the take-home pay so as to not lose childcare benefits.  You are correct, it's gonna be a very interesting next couple of years. I'm all for people making as much money as they can, but seems to me anytime the government gets involved it's the citizens who lose. But hey, what could go wrong. I'm sure they got all those bugs worked out of the system from the guaranteed student loans and how that messed up tuition costs for future generations.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Snuffy @5.1    4 weeks ago

All very true , even in the rural backwater where i like to live the addition of self serve kiosks are starting to show up in greater numbers , and the need for human counter parts are starting to be minimized  

we were told automation was the way of the future , many have been resistant , but once it dawns on people removing the human element that has to be paid ( and compensated in other ways)  the over all price of whatever is being purchased , either stays stable or goes down , but that comes with its own set of problems I wont bring up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @5    3 weeks ago
"and im already hearing some on the left think thats not enough and it should be $20 an hr."

Sounds like you're making that up.  Just like most everything else

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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5.2.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Tessylo @5.2    3 weeks ago
Sounds like you're making that up. 

will freely admit , the blurb i read a week ago stated that and has since also been advocated by some NT members concerned that that raise would just be a start if i understood them correctly , they do not feel that it is sufficient enough to bring things "in line" with the cost of living today., meaning that in order to give todays wages the same purchasing power as , say , 1968 , the min wage should be closer to if not higher than $20 an hr .

 made up no , just watching the conversasions and the realities , yes . no one is obliged to agree with observations and determinations.

 i will consider it that you disagree, and leave it at that.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Progressive speak:  It's "taking" money from citizens  if you  refusing to print the amount progressives demand and give it away, but it's not taking money from citizens  to literally take the money they've actually earned from them. 

 
 
 
evilgenius
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7  evilgenius    4 weeks ago
There's also no provision for raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour...

That's never going to fly unless the Dems jam it through by party only vote and since Manchin said he won't do it that way you guys are fucked. Dems better start working across party lines or they could lose the advantage in the mid terms and then they get nothing.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.1  Ender  replied to  evilgenius @7    4 weeks ago

One thing that bugs me is this all or nothing approach. I would say, just drop the 15 an hr and move on. That can always be worked on after. No need for it to have to be in the package, especially if it is going to kill it.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ender @7.1    4 weeks ago

Totally agree.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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7.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.1    4 weeks ago

Me too. That is the art of compromise. It can always be revised later. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.3  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @7.1.2    4 weeks ago

The reconciliation rule can only be used once per fiscal year. That is why they want to pack various things in it. 

As far as the 15 dollar minimum wage goes, by the time it is enacted even that will be behind the times. A 15 dollar an hour minimum wage law now probably won't completely take effect until 2024. 

Not having a minimum wage just means more social programs and more spending on social programs like food stamps.  It will be just be more of the taxpayer subsidizing business. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.1.1    4 weeks ago

It is apparent that both parties seem to love to introduce (often wholly unrelated) amendments to legislation for the sole purpose of making the "other" side look bad by voting against something. It would be far more effective legislation being passed if they only focused on what the actual bill is intended for. May even to get a bill that doesn't require hundreds of pages.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.1.5  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

A stand alone bill that would incrementally raise the wage would probably get some republican support.

Enough to reach a sixty threshold, I doubt, but it would be a great platform for a progressive candidate to run on. Every year I have put forth a minimum wage bill...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.6  seeder  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @7.1.5    4 weeks ago
The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage peaked in 1968 at $1.60 ($12.00 in 2019 dollars). [8] [9] [10] If the minimum wage in 1968 had kept up with labor's productivity growth, it would have reached $19.33 in 2017. [11 ] In 2019, the Congressional Budget Office released a report which estimated that incrementally raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025 would benefit 17 million workers, but also cause 1.3 million people to lose their jobs. [12] [13] [14] An Ipsos survey in August, 2020 revealed that support for a raise in the federal minimum wage had grown substantially during the COVID-19 pandemic, with 72% of Americans in favor, including 62% of Republicans and 87% of Democrats. [15]

Beginning in the mid 1970's , and boosted in scope in the mid 1980's , the government program EITC (Earned Income Tax Credit) has served as a way for low wage people to make ends meet (in lieu of a higher minimum wage) . This bs effectively serves as the US taxpayers subsidizing low wage industries and employers. 

The government pays the low wage earner so the companies don't have to.  This has now been going on for decades, and one can see the effect of it by the fact that the minimum wage has not kept up with what it should be according to productivity increases. 

If the minimum wage in 1968 had kept up with labor's productivity growth, it would have reached $19.33 in 2017.
 
 
 
JBB
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7.1.7  JBB  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    4 weeks ago

In the mid 1970s when I was in my very early twenties young men could earn about five dollars an hour for hard unskilled labor in my rural western Oklahoma hometown. Wages were going up along with the minimum wage at that time. To equal the buying power of $5.00 an hour then it would take $40.00 an hour today. The problem is that those same jobs only pay about $10.00 an hour there now. 

Yes, many of the hardest of those 1970s jobs local people did then are now being done by immigrants today. Partly because the people who used to live there left for better paying jobs in cities.

Also, about that time, the OPEC oil embargo affected everything economically.

That was all over forty five years ago. America has changed a lot since then. People cannot begin to live on $3-400 a week before withholdings today. 

 
 
 
Ender
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7.1.8  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.6    4 weeks ago

Preaching to the choir there.

I still say, if the whole of the bill can pass without this one thing, so be it.

The whole thing could go down in flames and then they would start again. Which Imo is bullshit. Just get the thing done and be able to move on to other things.

Besides, I heard the wage was only for government employees.

That is not going to help a majority of regular people.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.1.9  bbl-1  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

Except this year it can be used twice, seeing as how the congress failed to have a budget in 2020

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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7.1.10  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.9    4 weeks ago

Reconciliation bills can be passed on spending, revenue, and the  federal debt limit , and the Senate can pass one bill per year affecting each subject. Congress can thus pass a maximum of three reconciliation bills per year, though in practice it has often passed a single reconciliation bill affecting both spending and revenue.  Policy changes that are extraneous to the budget are limited by the "Byrd Rule", which also prohibits reconciliation bills from increasing the federal deficit after a ten-year period or making changes to  Social Security .

 Sorry but reconcilliation does not carry over from year to year and accrue or can be saved up , its a use it or lose it rule year to year dealing with spending revenue  and the federal debt . .

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.1.11  Split Personality  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @7.1.10    4 weeks ago
Sorry but reconciliation does not carry over from year to year and accrue or can be saved up , its a use it or lose it rule year to year. .

Partly true, but apparently the majority believe it stays with the budget year. process. Hence since Trump did not bother to pass a 2021 budget, that has to be finalized with or without reconciliation,

and then we return to passing a 2022 budget, and another reconciliation opportunity, in the same year.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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7.1.12  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Split Personality @7.1.11    4 weeks ago

agreed , its tied to the budget year being discussed ,  it is still a use it or lose it  rule per budget/ fiscal year, unless im wrong the fiscal budget year runs from oct to oct and that is different than a 365 day calendar year that begins jan 1st , there have been years it hasnt been used at all, dang if i can say when , but the rule was  only created in the 70s by act of congress.

 
 
 
dennis smith
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7.1.13  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.3    4 weeks ago

Why the urgency to raise the minimum wage to $15.00 right now instead of years and years ago? 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.1.14  bbl-1  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @7.1.10    4 weeks ago

False

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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7.1.15  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  bbl-1 @7.1.14    4 weeks ago

care to elaborate? or is that just " feeelings , nothing but feeeelings, whoa whoa whoa feeeelings" about how you think things should be ?

If what i said is actually false , please do explain in detail how so?

* disclaimer , currently enjoying a quaint bourbon out of kentucky called buffalo trace( hell 3 or 4 so far) whilst enjoying  an olivia nub nuance single roast cigar, thus i may not be suitable for mixed company, nor am likely to tolerate ignorant dumb fucks wanting to play games, fair warning is given. * 

* better buckle up buttercups , your a daisy if you dont*

 
 
 
evilgenius
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7.1.16  evilgenius  replied to  Ender @7.1    4 weeks ago
One thing that bugs me is this all or nothing approach.

But it really isn't a all or nothing approach even though they are trying to say it is. I know they announce that if it doesn't pass as is the sun will burn out and the universe will be extinguished. Then various parties attach all their hopes and dreams as amendments. They wrangle with each other on the floor and in the press. It rarely turns out as is. Those times it does, it has repercussions like lost votes during the next election and/or changed later down the road. 

I wish there were more honesty in politics... Never going to happen, but it's an ideal we should hold on to.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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7.2  bbl-1  replied to  evilgenius @7    4 weeks ago

There aren't any 'party lines'.  The only lines in existence now are those who are dependent and support the 'Wealth Class' and those who believe the 'Wealth Class' do not fairly contribute to the economic system which has enabled them to become the 'Wealth Class' in the first place.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9  Perrie Halpern R.A.    4 weeks ago

You just have to laugh (or cry), when you think about things like this. They are trying to tell the American people to get buy on $1,000, while this is what our reps are getting right now:

1. A base annual salary of $174,000

2. Free airport parking

3. A free, on-site gym for House members

4. Weakened insider trading restrictions

5. Up to 239 days off

6. Congress receives health-care subsidies under Obamacare

7. A better retirement plan

8. Members of Congress fly free

9. Death benefits

10. A $1.2 million to $3.3 million allowance*

You just gotta love #10

And you think that any of them get how hard it is for the rest of us to get by?

 
 
 
bbl-1
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9.1  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9    4 weeks ago

Fair point.  Except why ignore the benefits afforded the captains of Industry, Finance or Insurance to name a couple?

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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9.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  bbl-1 @9.1    4 weeks ago
Except why ignore the benefits afforded the captains of Industry, Finance or Insurance

sounds to me like your complaining about someone being able to negotiate  what their skills are worth and being able to expand whatever business it is while continuing to make a profit to an interested party that needs it .

cry me a freaking river....

 I can see that coming from those that actually do not have the nessisary skills for the job those people  have applied for .

i can also see it coming from someone that has not put their money into building something that has found a niche market plan that everyone uses but no one is actually forced to use  due to the open market , people that do that deserve what they can get others to pay for the service they provide , screw those that think they are being screwed because they didnt come up with it first or couldnt pay to get it done.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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9.1.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  bbl-1 @9.1    4 weeks ago

They are not there to serve us. Our reps are. That is the difference. 

And I doubt any captain of industry, is taking 236 days off. They didn't get there by being lazy asses. 

 
 
 
bbl-1
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9.1.3  bbl-1  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

Sure.  A Hedge Fund Manager making $800 million a year--shifting 80% of it off shore while claiming the 20% as loss of capital.  

And yes, they are to serve us, our economy and our nation.  The super rich are not an entity apart from the rest of America or Americans.

And many of them are 'lazy asses' and you know it.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Junior Principal
10  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

Joe Biden's plan is as much stimulus as relief.  It's too soon to stimulate the economy and those stimulative provisions aren't needed at the moment.

Another package will be needed later this year to stimulate the economy as vaccination brings the pandemic under control.  There really is a risk of going too big, too soon.  Another $2 trillion package to stimulate the economy later this year will be a harder sell after this $2 trillion relief package has been pushed through.

 
 
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