Facts First? CNN Host Don Lemon Insists Biden "Misspoke" On Georgia Election Law . . . Repeatedly

  

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Via:  vic-eldred  •  one week ago  •  113 comments

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Facts First? CNN Host Don Lemon Insists Biden "Misspoke" On Georgia Election Law . . . Repeatedly
The White House is not the only outfit struggling to explain the false statements repeatedly made by President Joe Biden about Georgia's election law. Biden's false claims have been widely refuted, including by the Washington Post. Yet, CNN's host Don Lemon mocked those raising the false statements and insisted that Biden merely misspoke. The problem…

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The White House is not the only outfit struggling to explain the false statements repeatedly made by President Joe Biden about Georgia's election law. Biden's false claims have been widely refuted, including by the Washington Post. Yet, CNN's host Don Lemon mocked those raising the false statements and insisted that Biden merely misspoke. The problem is that he repeated the false claims after they were refuted and White House Press Secretary Jan Psaki has insisted that Biden was speaking truthfully in the Biden version of "alternative facts." What was also not explained on CNN was how the Georgia law is "Jim Crow on steroids" if these two objections are untrue and states like New York and Delaware (and Colorado where the MLB is sending the All-Star game) have stricter provisions. CNN ran the slogan "Facts First" throughout the Trump Administration, but it seems that facts are more fluid in 2021.

Lemon lashed out at critics of Biden as "incredibly dishonest and openly partisan" for his statements on the election law. Lemon mocked those raising the issue:

"Get this, Republicans have a new talking point, trying to turn Trump's big lie onto Joe Biden, saying Joe Biden is lying about what's in Georgia's new voting law that restricts ballot access. New GOP talking point: Trying to turn Trump's 'Big Lie' on to Biden for misspeaking about Georgia's voting law."

The problem is that Biden and the White House have continued to assert the statements as true.

During an interview on ESPN, Biden repeated his claim that the law is "Jim Crow on steroids" and added: "Imagine passing a law saying you cannot provide water or food for someone standing in line to vote, can't do that? C'mon! Or you're going to close a polling place at 5 o'clock when working people just get off?"

As we previously discussed, it is hard to "imagine" because it is not true and the White House knows that it is not true. I will not repeat the clearly false claim about closing polling places early. As the Washington Post noted, "the net effect [of the Georgia law] is … to expand the opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them."

Even CNN eventually called out the claims as untrue. CNN's fact-checker Daniel Dale noted that Biden's statement "is misleading for two reasons. First, the new law does not change Georgia's Election Day voting hours, which still end at 7 p.m. Second, while the law does set a default end time of 5 p.m. for early voting on weekdays and on Saturdays, counties were already allowed to end early voting at 5 p.m. under the previous law. The new law gives counties the option to offer early voting as late as 7 p.m. if they want to."

Biden and the White House have also pushed the claim that Georgia will not let voters receive water at polling places, which is demonstrably untrue. The law does not prevent people from giving water to those standing in line. The law allows "self-service water from an unattended receptacle" for voters waiting in line. It also allows anyone to give water or food to any voters outside of limited area around the polling place. The change in the language followed complaints in the last elections that campaigns were circumventing the rules by distributing water and food within the limited area. It makes no sense to bar people from politicking in the area if they can display the same political identifications in approaching people in line for the purpose of giving away free food or drink. Instead, it allows for non-partisan distribution of water in these receptacles. If the concern is truly for the waiting voters, it should not matter that the water is distributed without a political affiliation. States like New York ban any water or item worth more than a dollar. Period.

It is hard to maintain that Biden misspoke repeatedly when his Press Secretary is still trying to claim that he spoke truthfully. The first evidence that Biden misspoke could be Biden correcting his statements and saying that the Georgia law actually expands the guaranteed hours for voting and that voters can be given water while standing in line from non-political self-service bins.

Moreover, the claims on the hours and water were the primary reasons cited for claiming that the law was worse than the Jim Crow laws — laws that mandated racial segregation. The law does mandate voter identification but so do many "blue" states like Colorado. New polling shows that, even after this campaign, Americans continue to overwhelmingly support such mandatory identification rules with almost 75 percent in favor of such rules. Indeed, over 50 percent of Democrats support such voter identification rules. Some polling shows 63 percent of Democrats supporting such mandatory rules.

So if Biden misspoke about the hour and water changes, what in the law is worst than Jim Crow? If it is the voter identification, then blue states like Colorado are equally guilty as are most Democrats who support such provisions.

These issues have been rallying cries for seeking the unprecedented federalization of elections, including a preemption of state voter identification rules. The campaign was successful in prompting companies like Delta and United Airlines (which require photo identification to fly) to condemn the law as well as the MLB (which requires photo identification to enter the game).

There are legitimate issues to debate on these election laws. Let's debate them but, as CNN once said, "Facts First."


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    one week ago

Instead of correcting his false claim Biden is tripling down.  Lemon tried to offer cover, yet this attempt at justifying the H.R. 1 bill is beginning to backfire. The new GA voting law changes how an absentee ballot is verified. There is no reason for all the progressive outrage, other than to use the new law to promote the H.R. 1 bill which is nothing more than a democrat power grab. The constitution grants state legislatures the right to make voting laws, not the federal government or judges.


Trump and his supporters are off topic
I am off topic

 
 
 
Ronin2
Senior Quiet
2  Ronin2    one week ago

Who didn't see this coming? The media using words like "Misspoke"; Mislead"; "Biden's version of the truth"; or anything else except what it really is, a blatant lie.

The media have been less than forth coming calling out China Joe for his lies. Those few voices on the left are easily drown out by the Biden false (liar) narrative that the media picks up and airs.

Four years of this BS to go. Expect it to get much, much, worse.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2    one week ago

"It included an ESPN interview; he said he would “strongly support” pulling the All-Star Game out of Atlanta to protest new voter laws in Georgia. It ended with an extended rundown, caught between angry fans and legislators. The White House now insists, contrary to fact, that Biden never weighed in on where the “Midsummer Classic” should or should not be played.

Like most Democrats, Biden opposes the new voting law, which requires a photo ID to cast a ballot, sets limits on absentee voting, and reduces the number of ballot drop boxes. But the president erred when he said during his first press conference that the law “ends voting early” at 5 p.m. (it actually extends early voting hours and keeps Georgia’s 7 p.m. Election Day voting hours intact). He called it “un-American.” The Washington Post fact-checker gave his claim “four Pinocchios.”   The error has not been acknowledged, let alone corrected, and corporations have started making business decisions in response to public pressure on the issue."




As they say in a certain section of Boston... "He done fucked up!"
 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.1  JaneDoe  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one week ago

The decision to move the game is only hurting the people of Atlanta. The stadium workers, vendors and numerous small businesses in the area. It’s a shame!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.2  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.1    one week ago

As will all of those same people and businesses across the county by the GOP endorsed boycott of ALL MLB games, Delta, Coke, et al.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    one week ago

No, republican Kemp is restricting voting hours and passing restrictive, voter suppressing laws, those laws only restrict people of color though and Democrats.  

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.4  JaneDoe  replied to  Dulay @2.1.2    one week ago

IMO it’s not the same thing. Atlanta and it’s people have lost the All star game and any money that those people and businesses were counting on. 
A call to boycott MLB games, Delta, Coke etc... doesn’t stop any of those things from happening in a certain area. The games will still be played where scheduled,  the planes will still fly and people will still drink coke. Maybe fewer people, maybe not. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.5  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.4    one week ago
A call to boycott MLB games, Delta, Coke etc... doesn’t stop any of those things from happening in a certain area.

Exactly, it stops or reduces the profit for all of those entities EVERYWHERE. 

BTW, the GOP is also proposing repealing MLB's antitrust exemption. Cancel culture?  

The games will still be played where scheduled,  the planes will still fly and people will still drink coke. Maybe fewer people, maybe not. 

So is it your posit that the GOP boycott is pure theater? 

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.6  JaneDoe  replied to  Dulay @2.1.5    one week ago
Exactly, it stops or reduces the profit for all of those entities EVERYWHERE. 

I don’t really care if MLB, Delta or Coke lose some profit. The people who work these venues and have restaurants etc nearby will still be able to go to work, do their jobs and earn money. 

So is it your posit that the GOP boycott is pure theater? 

you can take my statement anyway you wish but my point is we have no idea how or if it will effect any of those corporations or their profits. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.1    one week ago

That's what happens when Corporate leaders bow to the left. Republicans need to know that the radical left has now poisoned Corporate boardrooms as well as the Pentagon. They are no longer GOP allies.

As for the people & businesses of Atlanta, they will suffer the consequences. The All Star Game has been moved from a city that was about 56% Black to a city that is only about 9% Black.

Will it change their votes?   NO

Maybe it will get Georgia Republicans to come out and vote this time.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    one week ago

7AM - 7PM.  Biden is a liar

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.9  JaneDoe  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    one week ago
That's what happens when Corporate leaders bow to the left.

It’s always the little guys that suffer. MLB will still make their money without a second thought of how their decision screwed the people of Atlanta.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.9    one week ago

I am left wondering why MLB has never took a stance about states which allow pot sales when MLB strictly prohibits its use.

Surely the Commissioner should have been outraged at those state laws, too!

BTW, has the Commissioner given up his membership at Augusta National Golf Club yet, since it is in the same state?

Or is he a hypocrite?

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.11  JaneDoe  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.10    one week ago

I’ll go with hypocrite!! He is only concerned with his own pocketbook. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.12  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.6    one week ago
I don’t really care if MLB, Delta or Coke lose some profit. The people who work these venues and have restaurants etc nearby will still be able to go to work, do their jobs and earn money. 

If MLB, Delta or Coke lose revenue, THEIR employees are effected too. As are all of ancillary businesses that supply those companies and service their employees, such as the restaurants at the airport, concessions at the ballparks and restaurants outside of the ballpark. 

you can take my statement anyway you wish but my point is we have no idea how or if it will effect any of those corporations or their profits. 

Well by that standard, 'we' don't know if the MLB moving the All Star Game will effect any of the businesses in Atlanta or their profits, do we? 

 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.7    one week ago
Maybe it will get Georgia Republicans to come out and vote this time.

Maybe by the next election, Republicans in Georgia will come to their senses and recognize that their elections were indeed fair and they should ignored the former guys lies. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.14  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    one week ago

9 AM - 5 PM. Truth. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.15  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.10    one week ago
BTW, has the Commissioner given up his membership at Augusta National Golf Club yet, since it is in the same state?

No more than the former guy gave up Diet Coke. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.14    one week ago

9-5 MINIMUM.

7-7 if the county chooses.

Biden lied.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.17  JaneDoe  replied to  Dulay @2.1.12    one week ago
If MLB, Delta or Coke lose revenue, THEIR employees are effected too.

If, being the key word. I guess time will tell.

'we' don't know if the MLB moving the All Star Game will effect any of the businesses in Atlanta or their profits, do we? 

So it is your posit that moving a major sporting event out of Atlanta will have no effect on the people who work in that venue, the vendors or the small businesses in the Atlanta area?  Do you honestly believe that someone saying boycott this has the same effect as actually removing it? Come on man. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.18  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.15    one week ago

Aw, another deflection to your former President?

What a shocking surprise!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.19  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.14    one week ago

DISHONEST!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.20  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.14    one week ago

"9 AM - 5 PM. Truth"

Ya!  TRUTH!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.21  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    one week ago
TRUTH!

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.22  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.17    one week ago
 Do you honestly believe that someone saying boycott this has the same effect as actually removing it?

Someone? The GOP and the former guy called for the boycotts.

Do your think K street lobbyists will take heed and cancel their sky box corporate palm greasing at the Washington Nationals games? Will they want to be seen violating the paleo-conservative call to arms? I'm pretty sure that we can count Rubio out. How about the rest of the GOP Congressman and Senators? 

That effect will last ALL season [if the GOP is to be taken seriously]...Looks like DC could have much harsher 'lasting' effects. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    one week ago

How so Vic? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.24  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.23    one week ago
How so Vic? 

You have attempted to equate an option with a hard rule. I really don't know how many times it has to be pointed out.

It's DISHONEST.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.25  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.23    one week ago

9-5 MINIMUM.

7-7 if the county chooses.

Biden lied.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.26  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.24    one week ago
You have attempted to equate an option with a hard rule.

That is EXACTLY what YOUR 7AM - 7PM post did Vic. 

I really don't know how many times it has to be pointed out.

Ditto. 

It's DISHONEST.

The SO is yours. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.27  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.25    one week ago

He lied and others are trying to conflate the choosing with closing at 5. 

I'm not letting anyone get away with it.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.28  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.25    one week ago

[removed

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.29  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @2.1.26    one week ago
The SO is yours. 

It's you, just like when you told us that Michael Cohen was in Prague. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.30  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.28    one week ago
For over 4 years, the POTUS LIED at a galactic level and you and yours blew it off as if was merely an acceptable 'character trait'.

Ouch, that TDS is manifesting itself again. Sigh.

Simple fact is that the county has the option of having polls open 7 to 7 if they choose, and HAVE to be open a minimum of 9-5.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.31  JaneDoe  replied to  Dulay @2.1.22    one week ago

I understand, you don’t want to answer.
My OP showed concern for the people and small businesses of Atlanta whom you don’t seem to care one bit about.  You do however seem concerned with corporations possibly losing profit and ranting about the GOP so I think we are done. Have a great day.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.32  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.31    one week ago

Miss Doe, that was a great question. I'm waiting too!

 
 
 
Ronin2
Senior Quiet
2.1.33  Ronin2  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    one week ago

I take it he is sleeping the rest of the time?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
2.1.34  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ronin2 @2.1.33    one week ago

Biden's hours?  Nobody seems to know for sure. After the morning Tapioca, he's good for at least a few hours. He manages to follow instructions and don't forget he carries that card with the number of covid deaths on him. That was a nice touch, don't you think?   It shows "empathy."

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.35  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.32    one week ago

You'll just delete it anyway.  Another drive by shooting Vic piece.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.36  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.26    one week ago

I know you are stating the truth here Dulay, as usual.  

 
 
 
expatingb
Freshman Quiet
2.1.37  expatingb  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.8    one week ago
7AM - 7PM.  Biden is a liar

You're about 12 hours short, but then he might be, likely is, napping or looking for Kamala to she has yet gone to the border or spoken with any of the leaders of the nations she wants to in order to eliminate the residents desire to leave.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
2.1.38  Kathleen  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.17    one week ago

Of course it will hurt the businesses in that area. I don't understand how anyone can't understand that.

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
2.1.39  Kathleen  replied to  expatingb @2.1.37    one week ago

Yes, what is she doing about the border crisis? Oh that's right... Laughing.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.40  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.29    one week ago
It's you,

Hypocrisy. 

just like when you told us that Michael Cohen was in Prague. It didn't work then and it won't work now.

Link? 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.41  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.30    one week ago
Ouch, that TDS is manifesting itself again. Sigh.

My comment isn't a critique of Trump so much as a critique of his hypocritical supporters. 

Simple fact is that the county has the option of having polls open 7 to 7 if they choose, and HAVE to be open a minimum of 9-5.

Wow Tex, it sounds like you are agreeing that my 2.1.14 comment WAS truth. 

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
2.1.42  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.6    one week ago

MMmmm Pepsi.

original

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.41    one week ago
My comment isn't a critique of Trump so much as a critique of his hypocritical supporters. 

Just pure TDS. Hope you make a full recovery.

Wow Tex, it sounds like you are agreeing that my 2.1.14 comment WAS truth. 

I don't care what you "think" it sounds like. My comment is correct. Polls HAVE to be open 9-5 and MAY open 7-7.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.44  Texan1211  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.38    one week ago
I don't understand how anyone can't understand that.

They understand that, but choose to ignore the facts.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.45  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.31    one week ago
I understand, you don’t want to answer.

Oh you want YOUR questions answered while ignoring mine. 

Fine let's look at them:

So it is your posit that moving a major sporting event out of Atlanta will have no effect on the people who work in that venue, the vendors or the small businesses in the Atlanta area?  

No and I have no fucking clue how you came to that unfounded assumption from anything I posted. 

Do you honestly believe that someone saying boycott this has the same effect as actually removing it?

BTW, I answered that question and posed some of my own.

I understand if you don't want to answer.

I also pointed out that the boycott has the potential of a long term effect while the MBL cancelation is a one time effect. 

Being from Indiana, I have some experience with stupid laws passed by stupid legislatures and signed by stupid Governors who failed to recognize the economic consequences. 

My OP showed concern for the people and small businesses of Atlanta whom you don’t seem to care one bit about.  

Oh I do care about the effects on them and as I said, I have some experience in being forced to absorb the consequences of stupid state government. 

You do however seem concerned with corporations possibly losing profit

I see you're conveniently ignoring my comments about their employees and the ancillary effects on those who service them. Well done. 

and ranting about the GOP 

There is a difference between ranting and making a cogent comment. Learn it. 

so I think we are done. Have a great day.

Bub bye...jrSmiley_43_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.46  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.43    one week ago

So 9AM - 5PM IS truth. Thanks. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
2.1.47  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @2.1.46    one week ago

As is 7-7.

Thanks.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.48  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @2.1.47    one week ago

Never said it wasn't. jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

You're welcome. 

 
 
 
gooseisgone
Senior Quiet
2.1.49  gooseisgone  replied to  Dulay @2.1.2    one week ago
GOP endorsed boycott

Are you telling us Democrats don't call for boycott's. 

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Expert
2.1.50  Hallux  replied to  Dulay @2.1.45    one week ago
There is a difference between ranting and making a cogent comment.

Ranting takes talent, making a cogent comment requires nothing more than staying within the lines.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.51  Dulay  replied to  Hallux @2.1.50    one week ago
Ranting takes talent, making a cogent comment requires nothing more than staying within the lines.

I agree, yet staying within the lines challenges those without talent to at least TRY to make a contrary point. As you can see, they usually fail miserably. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
PhD Principal
2.1.52  Kathleen  replied to  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka) @2.1.42    one week ago

I like coke better then Pepsi, but it looks like I will be changing my taste to Pepsi.

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.53  JaneDoe  replied to  Dulay @2.1.45    one week ago
Oh you want YOUR questions answered while ignoring mine. 

Your first question 

So is it your posit that the GOP boycott is pure theater? 

answered.

Your second question

we' don't know if the MLB moving the All Star Game will effect any of the businesses in Atlanta or their profits, do we? 

answered

My first question

So it is your posit that moving a major sporting event out of Atlanta will have no effect on the people who work in that venue, the vendors or the small businesses in the Atlanta area? 

unanswered until your last post which ignores half of the question.

My second question 

Do you honestly believe that someone saying boycott this has the same effect as actually removing it?

replied to with some hypothetical questions but not answered.

So who is the one wanting answers but not suppling any? 

No and I have no fucking clue how you came to that unfounded assumption from anything I posted. 

I came to that conclusion by reading your own words.

we' don't know if the MLB moving the All Star Game will effect any of the businesses in Atlanta or their profits, do we?

I think that most people realize there is no way that moving the All-Star game, where players, their families and fans are traveling from all over, utilizing hotels, restaurants, shops etc... would not affect their profits.

I see you're conveniently ignoring my comments about their employees and the ancillary effects on those who service them. Well done. 

No, I read your hypothetical comment about what if’s.

There is a difference between ranting and making a cogent comment. Learn it. 

I know the difference. IMO your comment was a rant, in your opinion it was a cogent comment. You know what they say, opinions can vary.

Bub bye..

That must be some Indiana slang.

Now I realize there are some people with over inflated egos that have to believe they are always right and get the last word or insult in. You can continue if you like. I won’t be responding anymore, so enjoy yourself.

Ciao

 
 
 
JaneDoe
Sophomore Silent
2.1.54  JaneDoe  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.38    one week ago

Me either Kathleen.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
2.1.55  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.45    one week ago
"I understand, you don’t want to answer."
Oh you want YOUR questions answered while ignoring mine." "TYPICAL!

 
 
 
MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)
Sophomore Principal
2.1.56  MsAubrey (aka Ahyoka)  replied to  Kathleen @2.1.52    one week ago

I adjusted pretty quickly.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Principal
2.1.57  Dulay  replied to  JaneDoe @2.1.53    one week ago
Your first question 
So is it your posit that the GOP boycott is pure theater? 
answered.

This is your 'answer' to that question:

you can take my statement anyway you wish but my point is we have no idea how or if it will effect any of those corporations or their profits. 

Non-responsive. 

Your second question
we' don't know if the MLB moving the All Star Game will effect any of the businesses in Atlanta or their profits, do we? 
answered

Nope, never answered. BTFW, why truncate my comment? 

You ignore the THREE other questions I asked. WHY? 

unanswered until your last post which ignores half of the question.

NO is the answer to ALL of that question. 

replied to with some hypothetical questions but not answered.

Well since we have already established that 'we' don't know the effect on Atlanta, HOW can I judge whether the GOP/former guy boycott will be 'the same'? 

I'm pretty fucking sure that the GOP/former guy WANT their boycott to have a BIGGER impact. 

So who is the one wanting answers but not suppling any? 

As I already said, you. 

I think that most people realize there is no way that moving the All-Star game, where players, their families and fans are traveling from all over, utilizing hotels, restaurants, shops etc... would not affect their profits.

Well since some of the players have already stated that THEY would boycott the game if it was held in GA, it's doubtful that their families and fans would be going either. 

Oh and since the game isn't scheduled until mid July, much of the damage COULD be mitigated. In fact, paleo-conservatives should all flock to Atlanta and make up the difference if they are so concerned. 

No, I read your hypothetical comment about what if’s.

The boycott isn't 'hypothetical' nor is the fact that the boycott is INTENTED to have an economic effect on the companies and through them, their employees. ALL those businesses you cited, the 'hotels, restaurants, shops etc' will be effected by the GOP/former guy boycott of the MLB in EVERY city they play, NOT just Atlanta. 

I know the difference.

You should review your own comment as a reference. 

That must be some Indiana slang.

Must it? 

Now I realize there are some people with over inflated egos that have to believe they are always right and get the last word or insult in.

That's quite self reflective of you. 

You can continue if you like. I won’t be responding anymore, so enjoy yourself.

I believed you the first time, this time, not so much. 

Ciao

Paalam

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.2  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @2    one week ago

You forgot to mention 'leftist brown shirts'

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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3  Greg Jones    one week ago

Bumbling Biden is morphing into Lying Biden. Lie after lie after lie after lie.....

And they tried to convince us that his predecessor was a master prevaricator jrSmiley_40_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one week ago
"And they tried to convince us that his predecessor was a master prevaricator"

Why would anyone try to convince anyone who lives in an alternate reality with their own alternate facts??

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @3    one week ago

Yeah, you still defend trump, your opinion o. This matter is less than meaningless. In truth, if you do t like something Biden says or does then it is most likely true or beneficial.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4  Tessylo    one week ago

So now you have two open 'articles' about President Biden NOT MIS-SPEAKING OR LYING?

 
 
 
Freewill
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4.1  Freewill  replied to  Tessylo @4    one week ago
So now you have two open 'articles' about President Biden NOT MIS-SPEAKING OR LYING?

Not sure about the author of this seed, but there is this one:

Biden falsely claims the new Georgia law ‘ends voting hours early’

Is the Washington Post and their 4 Pinocchio's rating suitable?  Granted he has quite a long way to go to matching Trump's 4-Pinnochio record.

And HERE is the actual text of the SB 202 Bill as passed in Georgia.  So we can determine quite easily that it does not restrict or shorten voting hours neither early voting nor on election day, just as was reported in the WaPo.  And we can see that it does not eliminate access to food and water in line, only those practices where such services were being provided by political operatives as a way to pander for votes in close proximity to the polling place. And last but not least, that it can in no way be characterized as a return to Jim Crow.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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4.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Freewill @4.1    one week ago
And we can see that it does not eliminate access to food and water in line, only those practices where such services were being provided by political operatives as a way to pander for votes

I just have to take issue with this right here, what a dumb thing to say. Who in the history of the world has been standing in line to vote and changed their mind because someone gave them a water bottle? What kind of retarded nonsense is that?

The fact that a person even shows up to the booth means they have already decided how they are going to vote, and if they are standing there and still don’t know then they probably shouldnt be voting in the first place. And what if it is a church group passing out water to everyone standing in line, you know helping their neighbor and all that? Gonna call in the cops to stomp on their religious freedoms? What if a friend calls and asks me to bring them some mcDonalds or some shit while they wait? Am I at risk of being arrested now? Will their vote be discarded? 

That provision is fucking dumb in the extreme and is only designed to discourage people from waiting in line to vote, because you know polling places won’t be providing shit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.1    one week ago
"I just have to take issue with this right here, what a dumb thing to say. Who in the history of the world has been standing in line to vote and changed their mind because someone gave them a water bottle? What kind of retarded nonsense is that?"

What else is new?

People are saying a lot of dumb shit in defense of these voter suppression laws that are being passed by republicans,.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
4.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Freewill @4.1    one week ago

It does end voting early in Georgia.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.5  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.4    one week ago

There is a new requirement for every county to offer two Saturdays of early voting instead of just one, with the option to add two Sundays. (The law doesn’t roll back early voting on weekends, despite that being proposed at one point.)

So, you see, it not only allows early voting and even extends it.

 
 
 
Freewill
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4.1.6  Freewill  replied to  Thrawn 31 @4.1.1    5 days ago
That provision is fucking dumb in the extreme and is only designed to discourage people from waiting in line to vote, because you know polling places won’t be providing shit.

I stand partially corrected. 

If the claim about the law is along the lines of,

" You don't need anything else to know that this is nothing but punitive, designed to keep people from voting . You can't provide water for people about to vote . Give me a break ."

as President Biden has suggested, then that is not entirely true, especially the underlined parts.  Water can still be provided outside of 150 feet from the polling place and more than 25 feet from the voter line, or from inside those boundaries by poll workers.  If someone wanted/needed water it could still be available just outside those boundaries (as it happens, the same boundaries that disallow electioneering within close proximity of a polling place), or by poll workers inside that boundary, and they could always bring it themselves.  So, my claim that.  " And we can see that it does not eliminate access to food and water in line " is still true.

Now if the opposite claim is made along the lines of, " A Georgia law has not “criminalized giving people bottles of water.” It pertains to political organizations ," as many supporters of the law contend, then that is not entirely true either.  As written, the law is not particularly clear as to the intent only to prevent electioneering in the form of gift-giving (although that may have been the intent as some claim, but I agree with you that is not a strong claim given the actual language of the law), and it does appear to make it a misdemeanor for anyone to give away food or water within the 150' and 25' boundaries. However, as explained HERE , the following is also true:

The only kernel of truth is that the law has a sentence which allows poll workers to make available "self-service water from an unattended receptacle to an elector waiting in line to vote." But just because poll workers can make self-service water available, doesn’t mean they are required to come up with a way to make water accessible to voters in every line at every polling site. Also, people could hand out water or food to voters outside the 150-foot and 25-foot boundaries .

The underlined part of course supporting my claim that it does not eliminate access to food and water in line...

You said the following:

Who in the history of the world has been standing in line to vote and changed their mind because someone gave them a water bottle? What kind of retarded nonsense is that?
That provision is fucking dumb in the extreme and is only designed to discourage people from waiting in line to vote

By the same token, who in the history of the world was " kept from voting " or was " discouraged from waiting in line to vote " because they had to walk 25 feet to get a bottle of water?

And what if it is a church group passing out water to everyone standing in line, you know helping their neighbor and all that? Gonna call in the cops to stomp on their religious freedoms?

Nope - Just ask them to back off the line about 25', and not set up within 150' of the polling place.

What if a friend calls and asks me to bring them some mcDonalds or some shit while they wait? Am I at risk of being arrested now?

Nope - They could just ask you to leave it 25' from the line, ask you to hold their place, and go retrieve it.  And "... McDonalds or some shit... "?  Certainly a valid comparison, but eeewww!  jrSmiley_82_smiley_image.gif

Will their vote be discarded?

Of course not, why would you assume that?

 
 
 
Hallux
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6  Hallux    one week ago

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Vic Eldred
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6.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @6    one week ago

We stop beating the dead horse when all our members man up and admit that BIDEN LIED!

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    one week ago

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Ender
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6.1.2  Ender  replied to  Dulay @6.1.1    one week ago

All this pearl clutching is laughable. Four years of lies and only defence of lies.

Now pouncing on anything they can grasp their tiny hands around.

Hypocrites be thy name.

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Dulay @6.1.1    one week ago

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pat wilson
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6.1.4  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    one week ago

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pat wilson
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6.1.5  pat wilson  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.4    one week ago

The comment referred to the subject of your article. How is that off topic ?

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
6.1.6  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    one week ago

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Vic Eldred
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6.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu @6.1.6    one week ago

Nicely done, Stevie. We can all see who is on now. It's ok Stevie, another hour or so and we'll get it all straightened out.

That must be how Joe Biden feels?  People in power take good care of him, don't they?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @6.1.5    one week ago

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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6.1.9  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    one week ago

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Thrawn 31
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6.1.10  Thrawn 31  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1    one week ago

Nah, he didn’t lie, you are spreading fake ass fucking news and Biden tells the truth all the time about everything. Good for the goose good for the gander bitch.

Did Biden  exaggerate, yeah, of course he did, and he probably shouldnt have said voting hours but specified shortening voting periods, but dont expect me to treat you with anything but scorn when you whine about someone else lying. Not after your and Trump’s fucking bullshit over the last 4 years. You are like a pedophile talking about how bad child abuse is.

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Tessylo
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6.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  Thrawn 31 @6.1.10    one week ago

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321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
Sophomore Principal
6.1.12  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.7    one week ago
Nicely done, Stevie.

MY NAME IS STEVE Please do not try to slight me again VICKY 

............................................................................................................................................................... Thanks Vic

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
7  Texan1211    one week ago

Biden flat out lied.

Not misspoke.

Don Lemon is nothing more than a shill.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
8  Texan1211    one week ago

Thank you, 60 Minutes and CBS, for exposing the media bias.

Heck, even Democrats are speaking out about the lies in CBS' reporting on this.

You know it's bad when Democrats actually defend a Republican Governor!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Participates
9  Sean Treacy    one week ago

CNN is everything progressives claim fox news is. 

 
 
 
Ender
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9.1  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @9    one week ago

Except fox won a lawsuit where they said they lie and said that people watching should know that. Basically calling their viewers stupid if they don't know what they are peddling is bullshit.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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9.1.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ender @9.1    one week ago

Bah, facts. Who needs’em?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
11  Perrie Halpern R.A.    one week ago

Thread 10 deleted totally off topic

 
 
 
Hallux
Freshman Expert
11.1  Hallux  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    one week ago

Drat, did I miss the best part again?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12  JohnRussell    one week ago

How does Jonathan Turley , an allegedly independent and moderate legal and political commentator , always end up siding with the right ?  I can't remember the last time he wrote an article attacking a conservative, and he has regularly defended Trump on various things. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12    one week ago

Maybe it's because the woke fucking left needs an intervention?

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    one week ago

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JohnRussell
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12.1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    one week ago
Maybe it's because the woke fucking left needs an intervention?

And Trump and his flock don't? ROFL. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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12.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @12.1.2    one week ago

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r.t..b...
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12.1.4  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1    one week ago

‘the woke fucking left’

...let that comment sink in for a moment...

The level of desperation is demonstrated by the level of invective. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.4    one week ago

True, the anger and the animosity gets worse by the day.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.6  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.4    one week ago
The level of desperation is demonstrated by the level of invective.

It happens to be a well earned critique.

Haven't they deployed the race card against their opposition (most notably over post-pandemic voting legislation.)  ? 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
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12.1.7  r.t..b...  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.6    one week ago

Interesting response.

Complaining about those whom ‘deployed the race card’, while vociferously supporting legislation that is motivated by racial discrimination at best, and racial exclusion as the subversive intent. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.7    one week ago
while vociferously supporting legislation that is motivated by racial discrimination.

Prove that ridiculous slander!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
12.1.10  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.8    one week ago

It's the truth.  Someone would have to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to understand that.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
12.1.11  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @12.1.10    one week ago

Neither of you have any proof?  Do either of you know what the law is?

Those who know nothing of the law shouldn't be charging "racism."

Thanks for playing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
12.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @12.1.8    one week ago
Prove that ridiculous slander!

If they COULD, they already would have.

Biden, Harris, Pelosi, CNN, and MSNBC told them the new GA law was racist and Jim Crow and suppressed voters, so of course they never bothered to read what was in the law.

That is why you can stump them just by asking what in the law is suppressive.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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12.1.13  Colour Me Free  replied to  r.t..b... @12.1.4    one week ago
The level of desperation is demonstrated by the level of invective. 

Desperation? in the choice of words?  'Jim Crowe on steroids' is not a 'desperate' attempt at being 'woke' - a desperate attempt to fire people up and disregard the facts .. and the crap continues flow down hill ... personally I thought 'Jim Eagle' was just adorable.

It has always been interesting to me how lies are qualified .. once again 'we' view things by degrees . it is okay to do this, just do not do that .. i.e alternative facts are fine, just as long as 'they' come from the 'correct' side of the aisle.. ?

Is anyone actually woke ...?  I do not know any longer - the defense in the George Floyd trial blames COVID for the rioting and demonstrations after Floyd's death / murder .. interesting alternative fact for sure, yet some will believe it - just hopefully not anyone on the jury 

Peace my friend - off to get my second Pfiser shot  : )

 
 
 
Texan1211
PhD Principal
12.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @12    one week ago
How does Jonathan Turley , an allegedly independent and moderate legal and political commentator , always end up siding with the right ? 

So, nothing you just wrote has anything to do with the substance of what he wrote.

So it appears you are just griping about the source--again.

Sigh.

Must be another day ending in a "y".

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Principal
13  sandy-2021492    one week ago

Thread @6 locked - it had more purple ink than black.

 
 
 
321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu
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13.1  321steve - realistically thinkin or Duu   replied to  sandy-2021492 @13    6 days ago
it had more purple ink than black

LOL 

Funny but I know it makes it harder on the moderators. Sorry

 
 
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