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The 2021 Malaise and the week that was

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  5 years ago  •  213 comments

The 2021 Malaise and the week that was
The symptoms of this crisis of the American spirit are all around us. For the first time in the history of our country a majority of our people believe that the next five years will be worse than the past five years.

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In the summer of 1979 Jimmy Carter gave his infamous "Malaise" speech. In that speech Carter told Americans that they suffered from a crisis "that strikes at the very heart and soul and spirit of our national will. We can see this crisis in the growing doubt about the meaning of our lives and in the loss of unity of purpose for our nation. The erosion of confidence in the future is threatening to destroy the social and political fabric of America." Today, not even a year into the Biden presidency, I think Joe Biden would be willing to deliver that same speech. Unfortunately, Joe can't articulate very well.

The week:

The story which may be most important was the release of Mollie Hemingway's new book Rigged , which is the first expose of the 2020 election.

The opening paragraph from the Prologue:

"If questioning the results of a presidential election were a crime, as many have asserted in the wake of the controversial 2020 election and it's aftermath, then much of the Democratic party and media establishment should have been indicted for their behavior following the 2016 election. In fact, the last time Democrats fully accepted the legitimacy of a presidential election they lost was in 1988.
After the 2000 election, which hinged on the results of a recount in Florida, Democrats smeared President George W Bush as "selected, not elected." When Bush won re-election against then senator John Kerry in 2004, many on the left claimed that voting machines in Ohio had been rigged to deliver fraudulent votes to Bush. HBO even produced and aired the Emmy-nominated Hacking Democracy, a documentary claiming to show that "votes can be stolen without a trace," adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire that the results of the 2004 election were illegitimate. But nothing holds a candle to what happened in 2016 after Donald Trump's surprising defeat of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.


Yesterday we heard what smart people already knew:

"The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research  on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

In a  letter to Rep. James Comer  (R-Ky.) on Wednesday, a top NIH official blamed EcoHealth Alliance — the New York City-based nonprofit that has funneled US funds to the Wuhan lab — for not being transparent about the work it was doing.

NIH’s principal deputy director, Lawrence A. Tabak, wrote in the letter that EcoHealth’s “limited experiment” tested whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.”

https://nypost.com/2021/10/21/nih-admits-us-funded-gain-of-function-in-wuhan-despite-faucis-repeated-denials/#:~:text=The%20National%20Institute%20of%20Health%20has%20now%20stunningly,insisting%20to%20Congress%20that%20no%20such%20thing%20happened .


Yesterday we also witnessed the the embarrassing performance of Biden's woke AG:

"On Thursday, Rep. Mike Johnson (R-LA) grilled Biden administration Attorney General Merrick Garland over a possible conflict of interest from the memorandum  Garland issued following the letter for the National School Boards Association to President Biden in which they  stated , “As these acts of malice, violence, and threats against public school officials have increased, the classification of these heinous actions could be the equivalent to a form of domestic terrorism and hate crimes.”

Johnson pointed out a federal regulation dealing with rules of impartiality for executive branch employees and officials in reference to Garland’s son-in-law, who reportedly founded a company that publishes and sells materials sympathetic to Critical Race Theory and so-called “anti-racism” ideas to schools across the country."

https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-garland-grilled-wont-commit-to-ethics-inquiry-over-memo-to-fbi-about-school-protests

That wasn't all. Garland also admitted that he had no evidence, other than a letter from a left wing group, that there was any systemic violence going on at school board meetings. That raised the question of why the DOJ got involved. The other ethical question raised came via a FOIA request which showed that that same group had been in contact with the White House before they sent the letter to Garland. Garland also refused to put the assault on the Department of the Interior building last week with the Jan 6th incident. We all saw the AG's bias exposed.


There were a few minor stories as well. The House, as expected, voted to hold Steve Bannon in contempt. That move from Pelosi's get Trump committee is bound to be tied up in the courts right up until the Republicans retake congress next year.

Remains found by investigators were identified as those of Brian Laundrie

The Biden administration promoted a transgender male to the rank of four star Admiral.

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I'm sure every member of the US Navy is proud.

The closer for the week was the New York Post poll that shows 62% blame Biden for inflation:

"Sixty-two percent of Americans said President Biden is somewhat or very responsible for increasing inflation — the same number who believe the country is on the wrong track, according to a new poll released Wednesday."

https://nypost.com/2021/10/20/us-majority-say-biden-policies-responsible-for-inflation-poll/


What have we learned?


First we are quickly learning what must be done. ORGANIZE! In every school district in America, local committees of patriotic community activists must organize, as some are already doing. Among other things, they should get involved in virtually every aspect of local public education. We can no longer leave the education of our children and the well-being of our community to the "professionals." As we have learned, especially since the pandemic, the educational bureaucracy does not have the best interests of our children in mind.

In addition, right here, we still have people who think they can construct insulting commentary that will avoid the Coc. I can assure them that it won't happen in 3 of the NT groups. Also noted is that Saul Alinsky's rule # 13 still seems to be in use.


Honorable mention:

Our own Jefferson gets the credit for posting the NIH story as soon as it broke. (one of the most important new stories of the week).

Kyrsten Sinema for standing firm against the full fury of the woke mob.

Mollie Hemingway for her second important expose.

Last but not least, Parents Defending Education for getting the info on communications between the White House and the leftist National School Boards Association.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    5 years ago

Another week for all those living with the results of the 2020 election.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1    5 years ago

No malaise in my circles and no problem with Biden. 

Too bad that you're so miserable, Vic but that's on you. 

I'll enjoy life and you can piss and moan. 

Carry on you're doing a great job of it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Kavika @1.2    5 years ago
No malaise in my circles and no problem with Biden.

[Deleted] I'll tell everyone the good news at the gas pump this morning.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.1    5 years ago
[Removed for context] I'll tell everyone the good news at the gas pump this morning.

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devangelical
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1.2.3  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @1.2.2    5 years ago

trumpsters are stoking the little back fires they've set in the hopes of providing distractions from the raging inferno headed for federal courtrooms across this country.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @1.2.3    5 years ago

It's amazing to see the level of intimidation that has gone on here.

That's two that I am disapointed with.

 
 
 
Kavika
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1.2.5  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @1.2.2    5 years ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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2  Just Jim NC TttH    5 years ago

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JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    5 years ago

What have we learned?

We have learned that the Republican Party and conservatives have devolved into a  group whose sole purpose of existence is to whine, gripe and try to claim victimhood.  Their ideologies offer nothing to the American people, and the right doesnt even try to offer programs that will help the middle class, working poor, and poor.

No one can even remember the last time Republicans suggested a government program to make regular peoples lives better. Their suggestions are entirely oppositional. They oppose teaching honest history of racism. They oppose equal rights for EVERYONE. They oppose taxing the wealthy at a higher rate. They oppose vaccine mandates. They oppose the social safety net. 

Their mantras are '1776'  as if the world from 250 years ago is the cure all for todays ills. 

As I posted a few days ago, 100 years ago the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan wrote a manifesto that could pass for a MAGA speech today, the only difference being the somewhat archaic language used a hundred years ago. 

Go back , go back, go back...... that is the spirit of the right today. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
and the right doesnt even try to offer programs that will help the middle class, working poor, and poor.

We offer FREE ENTERPRISE, not HANDOUTS!


No one can even remember the last time Republicans suggested a government program

Why would we?  That's democrat shit. We don't look to build dependency on government. Even Bill Clinton tried to wean people off welfare!


No one can even remember the last time Republicans suggested a government program

BULL SHIT! They want to TEACH RACISM!


As I posted a few days ago, 100 years ago the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan wrote a manifesto that could pass for a MAGA speech today,

Haven't you learned yet, John.....Only Racists claim Racism!


Go back , go back, go back...... that is the spirit of the right today. 

We'll glady take you forward, as Ronald Reagan did. Remember what Obama said about Reagan changing the Trajectory?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.3.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.3    5 years ago

I'll give you one thing. You get pounded by the facts and truth on this forum every week and you still keep coming back with these "week that was" screeds week after week.  It's a shame your arguments are so non existent or poor.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.3.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @4.3.1    5 years ago

LMAO!  Thanks John, I needed a good laugh today.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @4    5 years ago
We have learned that the Republican Party and conservatives have devolved into a  group whose sole purpose of existence is to whine, gripe and try to claim victimhood.  Their ideologies offer nothing to the American people, and the right doesnt even try to offer programs that will help the middle class, working poor, and poor.

A group of Republicans whose sole purpose of existence is to whine, gripe, and try to claim victimhood would be a description of Critical Republican Theory.  That invites comparison to the other CRT that is currently in vogue.

Their mantras are '1776'  as if the world from 250 years ago is the cure all for todays ills. 

And, yet, 1619 has become a mantra for the cause of all today's ills.  CRT is as CRT does.

As I posted a few days ago, 100 years ago the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan wrote a manifesto that could pass for a MAGA speech today, the only difference being the somewhat archaic language used a hundred years ago.

100 years ago the Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan was a Democrat.  Democrats in elephant suits are still Democrats.

 
 
 
JBB
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5  JBB    5 years ago

The Dow Jones Industrial Average is above 35,000.

Malaise? My Ass!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
5.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5    5 years ago

Is that all you have to cling to?

You, who used to post Biden's poll numbers right after he was elected.

You, who told us that Hunter Biden had yet to get a big offer for a painting, let's wait and see.

You, who thought anything was better than mean tweets.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.1  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago

All I have to cling to? No. Andrew McCabe was cleared of any wrongdoing and got his pay and benefits back plus Steve Bannon was charged with Contempt of Congress. So, No Malaise!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.1    5 years ago
Andrew McCabe was cleared of any wrongdoing

How was he cleared?


plus Steve Bannon was charged with Contempt of Congress.

So was Eric Holder and Lois Lerner. What should be different?

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.3  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.2    5 years ago

Difference? McCabe is innocent. Bannon isn't!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @5.1.3    5 years ago
McCabe is innocent. Bannon isn't!

You haven't told us anything about McCabe. What is he innocent of?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.5  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JBB @5.1.3    5 years ago
Difference? McCabe is innocent. Bannon isn't!

Sorry, does'nt answer this.

plus Steve Bannon was charged with Contempt of Congress.

So was Eric Holder and Lois Lerner. What should be different?

Train of thought cross the tracks?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.6  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1    5 years ago
You, who thought anything was better than mean tweets.

Donald Trump is not a disgraced figure because of mean tweets. Your bizarre insistence that only his mean tweets kept him from office again is a good example of why your political recaps cannot be taken seriously. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.6    5 years ago
Your bizarre insistence that only his mean tweets kept him from office

No, that is not all. The media was successful in blaming him for the pandemic. Trump also listened to Dr Fauci (who signed on to the funding of that dangerous research) and shut down the great economy he created. Last but not least, we are finding out via the Hemingway expose that the 2020 election was bought by the elites.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    5 years ago

Those are all facts. You say no?  

Prove they are false.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.11  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.10    5 years ago

Here's another:

Joe Biden already spent $2 trillion on the American Rescue Act and all we have to show for it as an economic crisis, an inflation crisis, and a supply chain crisis.

 
 
 
GregTx
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5.1.13  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.12    5 years ago

It's odd when people reply to themselves, don't you think?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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5.1.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.8    5 years ago

Which ones? Should be easy if right there in front of your face. Please expound for the readers.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.11    5 years ago
and all we have to show for it as an economic crisis, an inflation crisis, and a supply chain crisis.

there is no economic crisis on my street, typical retirees with motorhomes and 2 income families going to work every day.

inflation isn't a crisis, it's just a 13 year high.

the supply chain crisis is a gift from Donald, you should embrace it.

As it is sorted out, inflation should come back down to it's lifetime average

With the exceptions of Nixon and Carter's highs 11 and 14%

inflation over the years has been between 5.4% in 1990

and 2% since the with the exception of the 2010 and 2015.

The country obviously survives these periods without a declaration of a crisis.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.16  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @5.1.10    5 years ago
They are not facts.

So, instead of just babbling that they are not facts, how about explaining what you believe are lies.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.1.17  bugsy  replied to  GregTx @5.1.13    5 years ago

Especially when they tell themselves they have no facts.

At least that is the first true thing some of them have said on here.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.18  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.15    5 years ago

No crisis here either. Stores are full of people.

Was on the road today and there were so many trucks on the road.

More than I usually see.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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6  Jasper2529    5 years ago
Last but not least, Parents Defending Education for getting the info on communications between the White House and the leftist National School Boards Association.

Asra Nomani and her colleagues have diligently and successfully worked to expose American Marxism in US schools.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    5 years ago

As I say, we need more organizations just like it. Concerned parents in every state and every community should form committees.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.3  JBB  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    5 years ago

original

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.4  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @6    5 years ago

Asra Nomani and her cohorts did their best to cause the TJPTSA to be decertified by the Virginia PTA. They are now on probation and required to meet Association standards, which they violated.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7  Jasper2529    5 years ago
Also noted is that Saul Alinsky's rule # 13 still seems to be in use.

Indeed it is:

13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    5 years ago

Yes Sir, you can see it here every single day!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1    5 years ago

Sir? I think she's a Ma'am

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.1.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.1    5 years ago

Who is?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.2    5 years ago

the person you replied to

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.4  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.3    5 years ago

Jasper?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.1.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.4    5 years ago

comment 7? duh!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.4    5 years ago

I assume that's today's effort to contradict Vic.

That's the thing about online discussions. Vic could be a female name, but Iv'e always used male avatars. It's never clear as to the race/ethnicity/gender of people unless they tell us. In a way I think thats kind of refreshing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.1.5    5 years ago
comment 7? duh!

It took you all that time? duh!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.1.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.1.7    5 years ago

Don't pull that shit with me, Vic. You knew perfectly well you and what I was talking about but I guess you feel the need to troll today.

Well go find somebody who gives a fuck

 
 
 
Gazoo
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7.1.14  Gazoo  replied to  Texan1211 @7.1.13    5 years ago

That trout dude puts up some really bizarre posts. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    5 years ago

Jasper, I never knew you were a female. I hope I was always respectful with you.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.1  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    5 years ago

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Some very old shit just hit the fan.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.1    5 years ago

Lol, I'm sure I always was. I just want to hear her say it.

I now have a new & improved vision of Jasper!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.2    5 years ago

ewww...

besides I can't speak the name...My sainted mother would wash my mouth out with soap

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.2.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.2    5 years ago

(shhhh ... it is a secret)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.3    5 years ago

It would have been easy to say Jasper.

I believe that was the name of Dana Perino's dog.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.2.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.4    5 years ago

Evidently

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.5    5 years ago

I don't want my mouth washed out with soap so not easy

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.8  Jasper2529  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2    5 years ago
Jasper, I never knew you were a female.

Vic, after the past months of male-only urological issues I've had, I can assure you that I am not a female! But, for some strange reason, there is a small group here who periodically continue to spread the bizarre lie that I'm a female. They've also tried to associate me with the KKK and QAnon. Perhaps they do it to impose Alinsky's # 13? Whatever their reasons, it doesn't bother me in the least, and I always ignore their ridiculous accusations. In fact, I find them humorous.

I hope I was always respectful with you.

You've always been respectful, Vic, and I thank you. That's why I prefer your groups over others.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.12  Jasper2529  replied to  Kathleen @7.2.11    5 years ago

Thank you for your kind words, Kathleen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.13  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.8    5 years ago

I should have known better.

Talk about lies being spread. NT shouldn't allow it.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.3  TᵢG  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    5 years ago
13. Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.

A target like Fauci and the NIH.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.3    5 years ago

The man who positioned himself with the right people?  I'd say he covered himself well. If he lasts as Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, it will only be until the next Republican President is elected, which I am sure will be 2024. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.3.2  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.1    5 years ago
... only be until the next Republican President is elected ...

Yes, Vic, I am aware that the Fauci attacks are partisan.  

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.2    5 years ago

But you are not willing to entertain the idea that Fauci may have been hiding the NIH (through various means) funding of gain of function research?

Do you recall his position on gain of function research?

Here:

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.4  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.3    5 years ago
But you are not willing to entertain the idea that Fauci may have been hiding the NIH (through various means) funding of gain of function research?

Of course I am willing to entertain that.   It is possible that Fauci is a lying sack of shit.   The difference here is that I follow the evidence.   I do not simply accept headlines and claims.   My comments are in support of truth and these incessant attacks on Fauci are all based on dishonesty.   That is something I do not tolerate.

It is easy to see how a grantee could violate the terms of the grant and sub-fund Wuhan without the NIH (and thus Fauci) knowing of this.    Fauci likely knew that such a practice is not something that the NIH supports and if he had no information about a violation by another organization then his testimony was accurate.   When one expects a human being to be omniscient, that is a sign that they are not being objective.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.4    5 years ago
Of course I am willing to entertain that.   It is possible that Fauci is a lying sack of shit.

Fair enough


The difference here is that I follow the evidence. 

And you will admit that we got a big delivery yesterday?


It is easy to see how a grantee could violate the terms of the grant and sub-fund Wuhan without the NIH (and thus Fauci) knowing of this.  

Do you remember the e-mails we examined on the last go around?  Fauci was warned.

I think it's hard to believe Fauci wouldn't know, just like I find it hard to believe that the Attorney General of the United States wouldn't know that the Department of the Interior building was attacked last week.

You see, even if Fauci knew it would be hard for him to admit it. It would mean that he has to be accountable in some part for 4 million deaths world-wide.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.6  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.5    5 years ago
And you will admit that we got a big delivery yesterday?

What?   Have you not read anything I wrote on this?   Yesterday's 'big delivery' was all spin.

I think it's hard to believe Fauci wouldn't know, ...

If you follow the facts thus far, the NIH never authorized any gain-of-function research at Wuhan and the research that did take place had no bearing on the pandemic — it is, per the experts, biologically impossible.   Thus when testifying regarding funding of gain-of-function research at Wuhan pursuant to the pandemic, it remains factually correct that the NIH did not directly and knowingly fund gain-of-function research and that no gain-of-function research that could possibly lead to the pandemic took place under the auspices of the NIH.

I think it is best to hold off on the 'beliefs' and instead focus on the facts.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.3.7  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.1    5 years ago
The man who positioned himself with the right people? 

What 'people' are those Vic? 

I'd say he covered himself well.

How so. Let's see if you can support your innuendo with some facts. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
7.3.8  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.6    5 years ago
Have you not read anything I wrote on this?   Yesterday's ' big delivery ' was all spin.

Where was the spin?  Here from MSM:

"The admission came in a   letter   addressed   Kentucky   congressman James Comer on Wednesday, in which NIH's principal deputy director Lawrence A. Tabak refers to a 'limited experiment' conducted to test if 'spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in   China   were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model,' at the Wuhan lab. 

According to Tabak, the mice infected with the modified bat virus 'became sicker' than those infected with the unmodified bat virus.
'As sometimes occurs in science, this was an unexpected result of the research, as opposed to something that the researchers set out to do,' Tabak said. 

While never using the term, Tabak essentially confirms that gain of function research, which looks at both transmitting disease between animals and humans and is a way for scientists to alter organisms and diseases to study how they could become deadlier or more transmissible, took place at the Chinese lab despite consistent denials from Dr. Fauci.

The letter shifts the blame to U.S non profit EcoHealth Alliance, which used NIH money to fund research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, for not being transparent about the kind of research they were doing. 

'EcoHealth failed to report this finding right away, as was required by the terms of the grant,' Tabak wrote in his letter. 'EcoHealth is being notified that they have five days from today to submit to NIH any and all unpublished data from the experiments and work conducted under this award.' 

In response to the letter, Paul, who has been widely mocked and dismissed for adopting the theory early on that COVID could have originated in the Wuhan lab and leaked from it, tweeted: 'I told you so' doesn't even begin to cover it here.'  

Fauci has testified on several occasions before Congress that American taxpayers never financed what is called 'gain of function' research in China - which would make a virus more contagious or deadly."



So what is it that you can't comprehand?  Last time when we had those incriminating e-mails, you said wait until facts are in. Well, they are in. Fauci is a liar. He blatantly lied to congress and you want to persist in this incredulous defense.



I think it is best to hold off on the 'beliefs' and instead focus on the facts.

It's clear who holds the beliefs and who now holds the facts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.3.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @7.3.7    5 years ago
What 'people' are those Vic? 

The radical lefties in the media.


How so. 

He tried to contradict the President and kept saying whoops, I don't want to get in the middle of this!


Let's see if you can support your innuendo with some facts. 

Oh, that's easy! Look at the way you and TiG kep trying to defend him after he's been caught lying!

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.3.10  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.8    5 years ago
Where was the spin? 

The spin is the claim that EcoHealth diverting part of its grant to Wuhan, violating the terms of its grant, without notifying the NIH (thus allowing Fauci and Collins to know about it ... and prevent it) means that NIH funded Wuhan.

The further spin is that the research by Wuhan from EcoHealth had anything to do with the pandemic.

See my posts for details.   It is all there.

Fauci has testified on several occasions before Congress that American taxpayers never financed what is called 'gain of function' research in China - which would make a virus more contagious or deadly."

And this is more spin by you and others.   You equate funds diverted from a third party grantee to mean that NIH directly and knowingly funded gain-of-function research under the context of this pandemic.

Based on the evidence thus far, the NIH did not directly and knowingly fund gain-of-function research at Wuhan.    Your spin attempts to blame the NIH for funding this research when the funding decisions were made outside of the knowledge of the NIH.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.3.11  TᵢG  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.9    5 years ago

I am responding to the falsehoods you, et. al. are promoting.   Unlike you, Fauci means nothing to me (although I will indeed defend Dr. Collins based on my years of following this scientist's career).   Truth, however, is a different matter entirely.    Follow the evidence to where it leads rather than spin facts into your desired reality.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.3.12  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @7.3.11    5 years ago

They hate Fauci because Fauci was seen as being oppositional to Trump. 

The nutcases will probably dog this man until the day he dies. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.3.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.3.9    5 years ago
The radical lefties in the media.

How did they further his 50+ YEAR career in the NIH Vic? 

He tried to contradict the President

Translation: Fauci shared information based on science rather than RW ideology. 

and kept saying whoops, I don't want to get in the middle of this!

Please provide a link for that statement. 

Oh, that's easy!

Yet you merely posted innuendo. WHERE is you PROOF Vic? 

Look at the way you and TiG kep trying to defend him after he's been caught lying!

That's deflection Vic. I asked YOU to support YOUR statements. You can't or won't. 

 
 
 
Hallux
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8  Hallux    5 years ago

Always nice to see a symbol of socialism (an arguable point) decorate your articles Vic. Alas the patina does not mask the lack of intellect and poetry in both word and thought.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @8    5 years ago

It would also be "nice" if you would learn to address comments to me.

 
 
 
Hallux
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8.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1    5 years ago

I did.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago
Don't pull that shit with me, Vic. You knew perfectly well you and what I was talking about but I guess you feel the need to troll today. Well go find somebody who gives a fuck

It's very simple. One uses the REPLY tab.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago

Hallux did not. Isn't that who you are defending?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    5 years ago
…just what are you defending, or even attempting to get at?

Post 8. It begins a new conversation. A post 7.3.2 would have been a reply.  I thought you, of all people, would understand it.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
8.1.8  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.5    5 years ago

But I did address you by name. Did Jasper at #6 or at #7? Just Jim at #2 or CMF at #9? Do they get preferential treatment?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @8.1.8    5 years ago

I expect more from you. You always demand perfection...so do I

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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8.1.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Hallux @8.1.8    5 years ago

Leave me out of it. I was applauding the  article............................

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
8.1.11  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.9    5 years ago

Sire,

Next time I will be sure to address my comments with Dearest Vic, or would you prefer Darling Vic?

Your unhumble squires

Hal & Lux.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @8.1.11    5 years ago

"Your Excellency" is good enough.

Have a good one.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
8.1.13  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.12    5 years ago

You will need to prove yourself for that to happen.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
9  Colour Me Free    5 years ago
"If questioning the results of a presidential election were a crime, as many have asserted in the wake of the controversial 2020 election and it's aftermath, then much of the Democratic party and media establishment should have been indicted for their behavior following the 2016 election. In fact, the last time Democrats fully accepted the legitimacy of a presidential election they lost was in 1988.

After the 2000 election, which hinged on the results of a recount in Florida, Democrats smeared President George W Bush as "selected, not elected." When Bush won re-election against then senator John Kerry in 2004, many on the left claimed that voting machines in Ohio had been rigged to deliver fraudulent votes to Bush. HBO even produced and aired the Emmy-nominated  Hacking Democracy,  a documentary claiming to show that "votes can be stolen without a trace," adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire that the results of the 2004 election were illegitimate. But nothing holds a candle to what happened in 2016 after Donald Trump's surprising defeat of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

It is interesting how this works .. the only free and fair election are won by the party of (D) ..?   all others are 'not legitimate' or 'Russia did it' ..?  I sincerely no longer know, the nation is so divided each side thinks they are right!

Last but not least, Parents Defending Education for getting the info on communications between the White House and the leftist National School Boards Association.

Regarding Critical Race Theory?  Interesting once again, in this case the party of (R) is accused of living in and denying the past, the party of (D) meanwhile thinks that CRT is some historic truth that needs to be told .. ?  I think the truth of all the discourse lands somewhere in the middle .. I have been digging through articles and definitions of Critical Race Theory so I can understand the hub bub .. I have come to the conclusion that most do not understand what they support or oppose.

I spent considerable time digging through this article I found in the Cornell Journal of Law and Public Policy - it is dated, written in 1998.  Difficult to copy and paste due to all the references supplied within, but I did take a clip of what is CRT .. not an easy read, but nonetheless worth reading, in my opinion that is....

What’s Wrong with Critical Race Theory?:
Reopening the Case for Middle Class Values

Daniel Subotnikt

One of the subtlest challenges we face . . . is how to
relegitimate the national discussion of racial, ethnic and
gender tensions so that we can get past the Catch-22 in
which merely talking about it is considered an act of
war, in which not talking about it is complete capitulation to the status quo .... 1

If engagement is the first step in healing, then the second
is pure unadulterated struggle.... We will never achieve
racial healing if we do not confront one another, take
risks ... say all the things we are not supposed to say in
mixed company .... 2

.....

What (briefly) is CRT and where did it come from? CRT, reports Derrick Bell, one of the movement's two founders, embraces "an experientially, oppositionally expressed, and transformatively aspirational concern with race and other socially constructed hierarchies.""

Writes Richard Delgado, the other progenitor: "Virtually all of Critical Race thought is marked by deep discontent with liberalism, a system of civil rights litigation and activism, faith in the legal system, and hope for progress .... ," The reader is asked to recall these characterizations, because the way in which CRATs experience race, the manner in which they convey this experience, and the likelihood and nature of the change that they anticipate will receive considerable scrutiny here.

As for the history of CRT, Richard Delgado will be our guide. When he took his first faculty position in the early 1970s, Delgado tells us, a white male elite dominated civil rights discourse in our law schools.'  These "giants in the field," including some who were "strongly supportive of minority rights," published in the major law reviews and regularly cited one another's works in their efforts to build a civil rights discipline.  A few black academics were around, some of whom were writing in this area, but little, if any, effort was made to welcome them into the conversation.  Bell and Delgado, however, needed no invitation. Fervently arguing at the turn of the decade that whites did not-and probably could not-adequately represent minorities in these discussions, they helped crush the white civil rights cartel and encouraged a host of minority academics to enter the field.

At about the same time, a leftist oppositionist movement calling itself Critical Legal Studies ("CLS") was arising. It held that the law is not apolitical, neutral or determinate and that therefore the law and legal institutions, including law schools, necessarily reflected and sustained power relationships. This group of primarily white scholars (known as CRITs) gained considerable force at some of the major law schools. Scholars of color initially gravitated toward CLS. At a crucial point, however, rifts developed between CRITs and black scholars as the former criticized the academy's focus on legal rights, a perspective that black scholars were reluctant to abandon.

As an outgrowth of these two developments, a new school took root in the mid-1980s that subsequently called itself Critical Race Theory.  Within a few short years, in a remarkable turnabout, not only black, but also Latino/a and Asian writers were deeply engaged in race scholarship. Their works, appearing in all the elite journals, were regularly cited and the new school came to dominate race discourse.

How did CRT manage such a stunning reversal? The most successful campaigns result from drawing opponents away from the battlefield. The CRATs did this with a potent weapon. White males tempted to participate in the conversation were condemned in advance as interlopers, even imperialists.

What’s Wrong with Critical Race Theory: Reopening the Case for Middle Class Values (cornell.edu)

Peace!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Colour Me Free @9    5 years ago
What (briefly) is CRT and where did it come from? CRT, reports Derrick Bell, one of the movement's two founders, embraces "an experientially, oppositionally expressed, and transformatively aspirational concern with race and other socially constructed hierarchies.""

Very good. It starts right there.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    5 years ago

The next step would be to find out more about Derrick Bell.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
9.1.2  Colour Me Free  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.1    5 years ago

I have not gotten that far Vic .. was just trying to understand the origins of Critical Race Theory .. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Colour Me Free @9.1.2    5 years ago

You are going to find it all very interesting.

I always enjoyed Thomas Sowell's assessment of Bell.

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
9.2  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @9    5 years ago
One of the subtlest challenges we face

Is the choice of descriptives and their 'subtleties'. The author you quoted uses "major law reviews" and "elitist journals" where simply 'A-journals' would have sufficed.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
9.2.1  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @9.2    5 years ago

Hmmm interesting observation .. anything else you would like to add .. like your actual thoughts on the article beyond critiques of the authors choice in how he identified journals?

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
9.2.2  Hallux  replied to  Colour Me Free @9.2.1    5 years ago

Not really, academic theories are fleeting, CRT will be replaced by the 'post-neo-elite' of tomorrow and that 'New Wave' will be just like the 'Old Wave', both are wet and you cannot breathe. The current brouhaha is just a sad ideological Punch and Jody shitshow unworthy of the price of admission.

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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9.2.3  Colour Me Free  replied to  Hallux @9.2.2    5 years ago

Aww okay

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Colour Me Free @9    5 years ago
"If questioning the results of a presidential election were a crime, as many have asserted in the wake of the controversial 2020 election and it's aftermath, then much of the Democratic party and media establishment should have been indicted for their behavior following the 2016 election. In fact, the last time Democrats fully accepted the legitimacy of a presidential election they lost was in 1988.


After the 2000 election, which hinged on the results of a recount in Florida, Democrats smeared President George W Bush as "selected, not elected." When Bush won re-election against then senator John Kerry in 2004, many on the left claimed that voting machines in Ohio had been rigged to deliver fraudulent votes to Bush. HBO even produced and aired the Emmy-nominated Hacking Democracy, a documentary claiming to show that "votes can be stolen without a trace," adding fuel to the conspiracy theory fire that the results of the 2004 election were illegitimate. But nothing holds a candle to what happened in 2016 after Donald Trump's surprising defeat of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton.

It is interesting how this works .. the only free and fair election are won by the party of (D) ..?   all others are 'not legitimate' or 'Russia did it' ..?  I sincerely no longer know, the nation is so divided each side thinks they are right!

Its nice to see that Vic's incessant claptrap has at least one fan here. 

The "Democratic" complaints about 2000 and 2004 are like ant turds in comparison to the Mt Everest of lies Trump and his army of lackeys and jerkwads have told about the 2020 election. Not even in the same universe. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.3.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.1    5 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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9.3.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9.3    5 years ago
Vic's incessant claptrap

I see I'm moving up in the world!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Texan1211 @9.3.4    5 years ago

In their case they are right - I am the enemy of that terrible ideology.

I'm right here.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.3.6  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @9.3    5 years ago
The "Democratic" complaints about 2000 and 2004 are like ant turds in comparison to the

Mollie's finish to that was in comparison to the complaints about the 2016 election. The one Russia supposedly stole!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
10  Jasper2529    5 years ago
But nothing holds a candle to what happened in 2016 after Donald Trump's surprising defeat of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Hillary is still on camera flapping her gums.


Yesterday we heard what smart people already knew:

"The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to  funding gain-of-function research   on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

Damn funny that Fauci's/Collins' own organization threw Fauci under the bus and exposed that he lied under oath this past summer.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
12  TᵢG    5 years ago
"The National Institutes of Health has stunningly admitted to funding gain-of-function research  on bat coronaviruses at China’s Wuhan lab — despite Dr. Anthony Fauci repeatedly insisting to Congress that no such thing happened.

The NIH did not admit that they directly and knowingly funded gain-of-function research.   They reported based on new information that EcoHealth went against the terms of the NIH grant to provide funds to Wuhan and that the research conducted had nothing whatsoever to do with with the pandemic:   

The NIH issued a correction admitting EcoHealth Alliance , which received a grant from the NIH, did violate the terms and conditions of the grant to fund gain-of-function research.  

...

Unfortunately, in the absence of a definitive answer, misinformation and disinformation are filling the void, which does more harm than good. NIH wants to set the record straight on NIH-supported research to understand naturally occurring bat coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, funded through a subaward from NIH grantee EcoHealth Alliance. Analysis of published genomic data and other documents from the grantee demonstrate that the naturally occurring bat coronaviruses studied under the NIH grant are genetically far distant from SARS-CoV-2 and could not possibly have caused the COVID-19 pandemic. Any claims to the contrary are demonstrably false.


 
 
 
Colour Me Free
Senior Silent
13  Colour Me Free    5 years ago

WOW!  Happy Friday everyone ... is this National Insult Day ..?  Even people that I respect above all are stooping to the level of 'not' veiled insults ..   Is this not a community of individuals that share different points of view .. each individuals demands respect towards themselves, but do not owe others the same respect?

Anyways Peace ... delete me Vic!

 
 
 
bugsy
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14  bugsy    5 years ago

white-supremecist.jpg

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
Professor Quiet
14.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bugsy @14    5 years ago

Here Biden is demonstrating the view that most Trump supporters have of the world from inside Donald's rectum.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.1    5 years ago

Gee Kathleen, maybe you don't think that the 16 bills that Biden signed into law that were sponsored by Republicans are 'accomplishments' but I bet that the Republicans think they are.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @14.1.2    5 years ago

Gee Dulay:

The 16 bills were detriments. ABSOLUTE NEGATIVES.

It might have been better if he enforced the Constitution and protected our southern border.

The 2022 midterms will be the 1st semester report card. That will tell us all "how he's doing."

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.3    5 years ago
The 16 bills were detriments. ABSOLUTE NEGATIVES.

Really Vic? Let's hear your argument for just how detrimental and negative the following bills are:

  H.R.1448 - Puppies Assisting Wounded Servicemembers for Veterans Therapy Act

  H.R.1318 - Alaska Tourism Restoration Act

  S.957   — DUMP Opioids Act

  S.189 - Veterans' Compensation Cost-of-Living Adjustment Act of 2021

Come on Vic. Show me just how well informed you are about the HORROR of those bills 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @14.1.4    5 years ago

List the entire 16 bills, Dulay.

Come on Dulay, show us how sharp you are..

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.5    5 years ago

You're deflecting Vic.

I GAVE you links to the bills, ALL of which YOU insisted are detriments and ABSOLUTE NEGATIVES. 

If you are unwilling and/or unable to argue those 4 bills on the merits, WTF will a list of the other 12 accomplish? Hint: Not a fucking thing. 

Oh and BTFW, I am NOT your personal research bitch. The links that I ALREADY provided takes you where you need to go. Look that shit up for yourself.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @14.1.6    5 years ago

You showed 4 bills out of 16. You're afraid to show the other 12?  Why would that be?

How can we ever take you seriously?

Enjoy the day.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.8  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.7    5 years ago

You showed 4 bills out of 16.

Yes, with LINKS. 

You're afraid to show the other 12? 

Why would that be?

Yes why WOULD  I be afraid to show them Vic? 

Are you assuming that just because I refuse do YOUR research FOR you? 

What's abundantly clear is that YOU are devolving to form and trying to avoid addressing my post by attacking ME instead. You should know after all this time that doesn't work with me. 

 How can we ever take you seriously?

I don't give a fuck how you 'take' me Vic. 'Our readers' can decide for themselves which one of us is 'serious'. 

Enjoy the day.

It's always a good day when I nail one of your comments. Today has been especially good so far. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
14.1.10  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @14.1.8    5 years ago

Why is it that when a conservative makes a claim, you demand to see everything they are talking about, but when you make a claim, you can't deliver, or deliver a portion of what you claim.

BTFW, Dulay, four bills mean nothing. This country is going to shit for the POLICIES this dumbass president has implemented.

If you don't see it, then that is your problem, not ours.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.9    5 years ago
Well gee Dulay, YOU are the one that made the claim about the 16 bills first. So you should back up that claim so that I can ‘seriously’ consider those bills. I could not find the 16 bills you were referring to. No one made that claim but you and Vic did have the right to ask you about them. 

I posted 4 links to the website Kathleen. If you are incapable of maneuvering the Congress.gov website, that's on YOU. It's one of the easiest government websites to use. 

BTFW, bills or no bills, gas prices, the border crisis and what happened in that evacuation will not make him one of the best presidents. 

So holding your hand though the links would be a waste of my time since you admit that you have no intention to 'seriously consider those bills'. Thanks for at least admitting that much. 

Oh and your 'best president' BS is a strawman.

YOU implied that Biden had 0 accomplishments 'so far'. I'm sure that the Republicans who sponsored 16 the bills that Biden signed would disagree. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.12  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @14.1.10    5 years ago
Why is it that when a conservative makes a claim, you demand to see everything they are talking about,

Why is it that you are intent on making shit up about me bugsy? 

but when you make a claim, you can't deliver, or deliver a portion of what you claim.

I 'delivered' all ANYONE who actually wants the information needs. If 4 links to the website isn't enough for you, tough. 

BTFW, Dulay, four bills mean nothing.

Actually, the TOTAL 'so far' is 51 bills, 16 sponsored by Republicans. 

Oh and BTFW, ANY bill refutes Kathleen's claim that Biden had 0 accomplishments 'so far'. 

This country is going to shit for the POLICIES this dumbass president has implemented.

That's your opinion. I cited facts. 

If you don't see it, then that is your problem, not ours.

I don't have a problem bugsy. 

 
 
 
bugsy
Professor Participates
14.1.13  bugsy  replied to  Dulay @14.1.12    5 years ago

Bottom line, Dulay...you claimed 16 bills.You linked 4.

As I said before, if a conservative linked 4 out of 16 claimed, YOU would be one of the first saying that since only 4 were linked, we must have been lying about the rest.

Oh, and BTFW, you don't need to deflect to Kathleen's post. She can hold her own against you...and quite handily.

Your problem is you think you are always right...but proven wrong over and over.

Also BTFW, Dulay, this country is going to shit because of your president's POLICIES. Those bills you can't produce may be positive, but help a limited number of people. Your president and those leftists like him are hellbent on destroying this country.

Thank GOD republicans will once again take control of Congress next year. Sanity will be restored.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.14  Dulay  replied to  bugsy @14.1.13    5 years ago
Bottom line, Dulay...you claimed 16 bills. You linked 4.

Which is 4 MORE that ANY of you have addressed.

As I said before, if a conservative linked 4 out of 16 claimed, YOU would be one of the first saying that since only 4 were linked, we must have been lying about the rest.

That is false bugsy. At MINIMUM, I would have address the 4 already posted. I would have also searched the linked site for the others. 

Ask Vic. I rarely fail to shove facts from his own links in his face. I'm sure you've seen it happen for yourself. 

If y'all are too lazy to do that, so be it, but get off my ass about refusing to be your research bitch. 

Oh, and BTFW, you don't need to deflect to Kathleen's post.

I didn't 'deflect shit bugsy, Kathleen's post STARTED this thread. Try to keep up. 

She can hold her own against you...and quite handily.

That'll be the day. 

Your problem is you think you are always right...but proven wrong over and over.

There's 3 of you in this thread and not ONE of you has proven a fucking thing. Stop with the delusions of grandeur and get to it. 

Also BTFW...

Irrelevant to this thread bugsy. 

Kathleen made a claim and I called her out on it with FACTS. Neither you or Vic or Kathleen have refuted that fact with FACTS. 

Those bills you can't produce may be positive, but help a limited number of people.

You mean the bills y'all are too fucking lazy or inept to look up for yourselves. 

I find it hilarious that all 3 of you are whining about me not handing you all 16 bills on a silver platter while all 3 of you insist that NONE of them matter anyway because jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif .

ALL while desperately refusing to acknowledge the accomplishment of bills like the Puppies Assisting Wounded Servicemembers for Veterans Therapy Act.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.17  Dulay  replied to  Kathleen @14.1.15    5 years ago

Really Kathleen? 

I challenged YOU and you bailed. 

It's pretty fucking ironic that you finish your rant with: 

I am not answering back, I said my piece.

Yet y'all INSIST that I 'answer back' to each and every one of your demands. 

You guys have had me laughing all day. Thanks. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.18  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @14.1.8    5 years ago
It's always a good day when I nail one of your comments.

One day maybe you will, but for now all you have is your friends

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Participates
14.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.18    5 years ago
One day maybe you will, 

I do on almost daily basis Vic. 

but for now all you have is your friends

What friends are those and WTF would anyone else have to do with ME nailing YOUR comments? 

 
 
 
bugsy
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14.1.22  bugsy  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.18    5 years ago

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bugsy
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14.1.23  bugsy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @14.1.21    5 years ago

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GregTx
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14.1.24  GregTx  replied to  bugsy @14.1.22    5 years ago

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