America responds/ the week that was

  

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By:  vic-eldred  •  4 weeks ago  •  67 comments

America responds/ the week that was
On PBS James Carville, after the election, blamed “stupid wokeness” for the party’s losses. It went beyond Virginia and New Jersey: “I mean, this ‘defund the police’ lunacy, this ‘take Abraham Lincoln’s name off of schools,’ . . . People see that.” It had a “suppressive effect all across the country on Democrats. Some of these people need to go to a woke detox center or something.”

The Week:

Tuesday's election results were a repudiation of the radical policies of Joe Biden.
There had been increasing resistance to the woke cultural regime in Washington D.C., yet the media has missed it. On Wednesday morning reality finally struck. It was a repudiation of a president who campaigned as a moderate but ruled as an extremist . It was a repudiation of those in the professional classes who say, “I believe in science,” as they contradict what little data the science has provided. It was a repudiation of of unions and school boards that act as if they own the schools while holding parents in contempt. On Tuesday night, all over America the people responded.

It was also the week when Joe Biden attended the climate summit. Biden spoke at the opening of the COP26 U.N. climate summit on Monday, stressing the need for "action and solidarity" while also apologizing for the the last administration's pull out of the Paris accord. China did not attend the summit and recently took the opportunity to mock Biden:

"Beijing-backed news outlet the Global Times published a piece the following day that ridiculed Biden’s "noble" apology. The report highlighted the discord between American voters, noting some comments online from "netizens" who "cannot wait until 2024 when the Republican Party, or even Donald Trump himself, apologizes for Biden’s apology. 
China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon dioxide and has pledged to begin reducing that output by 2030 and obtaining carbon neutrality by 2060. The U.S. and others have urged Beijing to make bigger commitments, but Xi's administration has strongly implied those will only come in exchange for political concessions."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/china-mocks-biden-climate-summit-apology

Then came the discovery of negotiations quietly going on between the ACLU, representing migrants, and Biden's DOJ supposedly representing the US:

"WASHINGTON—The Biden administration is in talks to offer immigrant families that were separated during the Trump administration around $450,000 a person in compensation, according to people familiar with the matter, as several agencies work to resolve lawsuits filed on behalf of parents and children who say the government subjected them to  lasting psychological trauma . The U.S. Departments of Justice, Homeland Security, and Health and Human Services are considering payments that could amount to close to $1 million a family, though the final numbers could shift, the people familiar with the matter said. Most of the families that crossed the border illegally from Mexico to seek asylum in the U.S. included one parent and one child, the people said. Many families would likely get smaller payouts, depending on their circumstances, the people said. 

The American Civil Liberties Union, which represents families in one of the lawsuits, has identified about 5,500 children separated at the border over the course of the Trump administration, citing figures provided to it by the government. The number of families eligible under the potential settlement is expected to be smaller, the people said, as government officials aren’t sure how many will come forward. Around 940 claims have so far been filed by the families, the people said.

The total potential payout could be $1 billion or more."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-in-talks-to-pay-hundreds-of-millions-to-immigrant-families-separated-at-border-11635447591

 On Wednesday Biden denied the WSJ exclusive that his administration was looking to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to immigrant families who were separated at the border under the Trump administration, calling the reports “garbage.”

 Fox News correspondent Peter Doocy asked Biden whether such payments would incentivize more migrants to try to cross the border illegally.

"If you guys keep sending that garbage out, yeah," the president said. "But it’s not true."

"So this is a garbage report?" Doocy then asked.

"Yeah," Biden replied. "That's not going to happen."

It turns out that Biden's deputy press secretary had to correct him - it is true! Biden's DOJ, which is willing to regard American parents as "domestic terrorists" is prepared to pay huge settlements to foreign migrants who broke US law.


On Thursday one of the primary sources of the Steele dossier was indicted. Igor Danchenko, a key source for British ex-spy Christopher Steele, has been arrested. Danchenko is being charged with five counts of making false statements. The indictment circles around an unnamed figure called PR-Executive-1 who was a close Clinton adviser who held high positions in the Democratic party and prior Clinton campaigns. This marks Durham's third indictment and suggests that the Durham investigation still has a long way to go.


What have we learned?

Two months ago an education activist told a small group in Virginia that people don’t yet understand that Americans’ relationship with public schools changed during the pandemic. For the first time ever, on Zoom, parents overheard what is being taught, how, and what’s not taught, and they didn’t like what they heard. Some are trying to deny what was being taught, but it's real and courageous parents took a stand. In congress, Nancy Pelosi is once again forcing House democrats to walk the plank, but after Tuesday night it's much harder. The extreme left of the democratic party, which rules with an iron fist is up against moderate democrats who are taking a stand. Thursday night's vote has been moved to early Friday morning.
San Francisco will require children as young as five to provide proof of vaccination. The OSHA mandate is going into effect on January 4th and is already facing numerous legal challenges.

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Honorable mention:

The Wall Street Journal - for breaking the migrant settlement story

The American people - for handing the left a major defeat

 

 


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"New York Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez should continue to call for far-left policy positions following Virginia Republican's win in Tuesday's election according to radio host and producer  James Golden . "[W]hat you have is a radicalism that can’t be hidden from the American people anymore, and just today AOC went on the launch pad that the reason they lost the election was that they were too moderate – so she wants more," he said."




And don't forget to boycott AT&T


 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

Good advice for AOC.

I am sure there are any number of fools who still think she is smart and a leader.

Best to let them know now before she does something even more stupid in the near future.

The Democratic Party seems to be imploding. They refuse to pass their President's signature legislation, and won't even pass the real infrastructure bill Pelosi keeps promising a vote on, only to renig EVERY time on it.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 weeks ago

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Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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1.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 weeks ago

I was suspended because one of the right wing clowns on this forum kept on, over the course of many comments,  insisting that slavery in America was not based on race. 

I dont let such incredible dishonesty and stupidity go without response, and for my responses to him I was punished. I wasnt "nice" enough to someone who was claiming that slavery was not a racist institution. 

And I never will be. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

Good, I'm glad to hear that. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    4 weeks ago
I wasnt "nice" enough to someone who was claiming that slavery was not a racist institution. 

Perhaps if you had said "You are just plain wrong in your thinking" and backed it up from places other than your opinion, you wouldn't have been You called said poster a moron.........at least twice. Thank your lucky stars it was only one day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

I am not going to waste time "backing up" the fact that slavery in America was based on race.  Anyone with the slightest tiniest bit of knowledge on the subject knows that. Originally American Indians were also enslaved but eventually it was written into law that slaves in America were Africans and descendants of Africans. 

There are thousands of historical documents that reference this fact. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.6  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 weeks ago

And Vic, you lie about Trump all the time. I have seen you repeatedly say that the only reason people object to Trump is because of his "tweeting" and his personality. 

That is a lie. 

Your knowledge of Donald Trump outside of your adoration of him could be written down on your little fingernail. 

On November 8 2016 , Trump was already a known pathological liar, crook, bigot, moron and cheat. People like you voted him in anyway. Nothing to do with "mean tweets". 

After 2016 he lied to the American people thousands of times, tried to bribe/extort the president of another country , for his own personal benefit, and later tried to overthrow his own government. He was impeached for cause twice and was not removed from office only because of the political cowardice of the Republican Party. He also had the most scandal filled administration in history.  

He also deliberately downplayed the seriousness of the covid pandemic and encouraged his cult followers to defy mask and social distancing directives from the nations medical authorities. Undoubtedly thousands of Americans died because of misinformation people got from Trump while he was president. 

Trump also encouraged millions of Americans to believe bizarre conspiracy theories. 

You gaslight and bamboozle like a Trump wannabe should. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.7  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2    4 weeks ago
Vic, seemingly you deleted this comment after you made it, but I had already copied it. 

No, John, I never took it down. I suspect someone else did, probably because there was a lot of whining. It appears to be an attempt to keep everyone happy.

Shall we find out who removed it?  


You have never , ever, beat me in an argument, and I am entirely confident you never will. 

You have never had a defendable argument. I never really had to do much. If you had a defendable argument you wouldn't need the personal attacks.


Lies and gaslighting never win, they just bamboozle. 

As John Durham is proving.


If the day ever dawned when I thought you could win an argument against me on a forum, I would have to kill myself out of shame and embarrassment. 

Don't do it John.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.8  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

Hey, let's let others rehash history and discuss endlessly slavery and racism.

We can concentrate on winning elections, like we saw on Tuesday.

Seems far more productive to me, and talking about that stuff doesn't change anything.

Being "woke" is so last year now.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.9  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.6    4 weeks ago

If it's all about me, why didn't you address that to me?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.2    4 weeks ago
insisting that slavery in America was not based on race. 

They did?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.2.9    4 weeks ago
If it's all about me, why didn't you address that to me?

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Nowhere Man
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1.2.12  Nowhere Man  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.8    4 weeks ago

Yeah, but don't lose sight of the why... We can go about just winning elections and have our own bill of sycophant's put in office which would be just as bad... 

The voting for someone just because they have an "R"  or a "D" next to their name has to end as well... (remember "Newt")

We have to reestablish that working in the government is not a political job....

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.14  Texan1211  replied to    4 weeks ago

Talk all about it as long as you want. When talk changes anything, let me know. 

Tuesday's elections may be a harbinger of things to come next November.  Just remember your comments then.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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1.2.15  Nowhere Man  replied to    4 weeks ago
Until we, as a collective, come to terms with the continual impact racism had and has on our society; educationally, economically, and judicially,

And it will not go away with the continual bombardment of racist hate the "progressives" are putting forth... Yeah we know hate, re-education and judicial activism, the hallmarks of socialist progressivism....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.16  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 weeks ago
Hey, by all means relish in your micro victory this week.

Micro victory?  It was a total disaster for democrats. Virginia is a red state this morning. Murphy was clinging for dear life in a state the Monmouth poll predicted he'd win by 8 points. All the defund candidates got wiped out and the mayor of Seattle didn't even bother to run for re-election.

Democrats are going to lose BIG in 2022 and 2024 AND THEY KNOW IT!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.12    4 weeks ago
Yeah, but don't lose sight of the why...

DING!!!

We have a winner.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.20  Texan1211  replied to    4 weeks ago
When talk changes nothing we are already lost. 

Lost we are then.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.2.21  author  Vic Eldred  replied to    4 weeks ago

LMAO....The GOP only loses big when there is a housing crisis (caused by democrats) or an expensive war (brought on by democrats) or some natural disaster like a pandemic.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.22  Jack_TX  replied to    4 weeks ago
Until we, as a collective, come to terms with the continual impact racism had and has on our society; educationally, economically, and judicially, it will not go away because VA elected a GOP governor whose name will be forgotten in a matter of daze. 

It's not going away, period.

Liberals use the phrase "come to terms" to mean that the whole country must agree with them, validate their guilty feelings, and then do some sort of completely symbolic penance that does absolutely nothing but assuage their consciences.

That doesn't actually do anything about racism.  It simply helps silly white people "feel" better.

Renaming a school doesn't matter if the kids in the white school across town still learn 3 times a much.  Replacing a statue in the park doesn't matter if black families still earn 3/5ths of what white families do.  Reparations don't matter if the people getting them don't know how to invest.

So the choice at the polls is "vote R and do nothing about racism" or "vote D and do some really silly shit that still accomplishes nothing about racism".

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.23  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.15    4 weeks ago

Should students be taught to be anti-racist, or should they be taught to be racist? 

When they are taught about racism , who should they be told are the historical perpetrators of racism in the US ? 

I have to laugh at people who say they want true history taught and then behave exactly like they want it taught without mentioning white people. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.24  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.22    4 weeks ago
Liberals use the phrase "come to terms" to mean that the whole country must agree with them, validate their guilty feelings, and then do some sort of completely symbolic penance that does absolutely nothing but assuage their consciences.

If you want to pretend that we should pretend racism doesnt exist because the "real" problem is black schools, that is your choice. 

Half of this forum is sick of your "explanations". 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.25  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @1.2.15    4 weeks ago
And it will not go away with the continual bombardment of racist hate the "progressives" are putting forth...

Why is what white parents want taught to their children in school more important or more persuasive than what non white parents want taught? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.27  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.23    4 weeks ago
When they are taught about racism , who should they be told are the historical perpetrators of racism in the US ? 

The Democrats.  And even today their supporters, claiming the opposite, reinforce the Democrat tactics used as far back as the Reconstruction.  But let's nevermind true history and push your agenda.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.28  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.27    4 weeks ago

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Nowhere Man
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1.2.29  Nowhere Man  replied to    4 weeks ago
The discussion must occur in human terms…and that will only occur outside the political sphere. Change will happen when enough people reject the status quo and a fresh generation of leaders; those that are willing to listen, willing to accept our differences, but are still willing to look forward as opposed to clinging to the failures of the past take the reins. 

And that is what your guys have control of the education system for, to train a new set of leaders that believe the way you do and ignore any other voice of reason...

Your side offers the future and then trains the future to repeat the mistakes of the past....

Really intelligent there... The past tells us what we did wrong, but it also serves as a reminder of the destruction that can be wrought by ignoring it... And if we don't know what we did wrong, how will we know how to do it right?

Your side wants us to ignore the lessons of the past so you impart different lessons that have nothing to do with what was done wrong...

Your side ever hear about two wrongs don't make a right?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.31  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.28    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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1.2.32  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.31    4 weeks ago

You claimed, that because some blacks were slaveowners, that race and racism was not the basis for slavery in America. I absolutely showed you are wrong. 

You just kept babbling the same nonsense over and over. Dont you have any shame? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.33  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.32    4 weeks ago
I absolutely showed you are wrong.

What you gave me was bullshit that activated your TDS and you made it about an ex-POTUS.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.2.34  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @1.2.33    4 weeks ago

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Jack_TX
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1.2.35  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.24    4 weeks ago
If you want to pretend that we should pretend racism doesnt exist because the "real" problem is black schools, that is your choice. 

In what universe is the systemic failure to educate black kids not racist?  Please explain how we get to that level of batshit.  How do you not see ongoing, current, active, oppressive racism happening right under your nose????

So you're OK with black kids going to inferior schools and getting fewer if any opportunities, as long as you get to implement whatever symbolic nonsense will make you "feel better"?  WTF??

Are you actively trying to make my point?

Half of this forum is sick of your "explanations". 

Are you "half the forum" now?  Is that the newest version of lefty math?

Why don't we talk about actual math?

  • White students are almost 3 times as likely to pass the basic language skills test in Illinois and almost 4 times as likely to pass the math test.  
  • In Texas, a white 3rd grader is almost twice as likely to be on grade level in math than a black 3rd grader. 
  • Nationwide, black students average 19% lower SAT math scores than white students. 
  • Of kids who make 700 or better on the math section of their SAT (where all the scholarship money goes), 45% are white, 43% are Asian, and 1% are black .  

One.

Percent.

But John says this isn't racist.  Move along folks, nothing to see here....

For fuck's sake.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.36  Jack_TX  replied to    4 weeks ago
Good comments, Jack, but in gazing through my rose-colored glasses, I believe we can and will eventually address the issue as adults.

I feel like I'm kinda just pissing all over any optimism you might have had.  Sorry about that.

The discussion must occur in human terms…and that will only occur outside the political sphere. Change will happen when enough people reject the status quo and a fresh generation of leaders; those that are willing to listen, willing to accept our differences, but are still willing to look forward as opposed to clinging to the failures of the past take the reins. 

I agree.

I think change will start to happen when enough of us get brave enough to reach across the race divide and connect with people who don't look like we do.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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1.2.37  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @1.2.34    4 weeks ago

Give it a rest already.  Quit you crying, prove me wrong or STFU.  It's that simple.

 
 
 
GregTx
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2  GregTx    4 weeks ago
With all that's happened this week, some have noticeably lost their fortitude. The resident wordsmith is absent. The expert on all things Trump and "racism" is AWOL. Those who crafted thinly veiled insults seem long gone. Sometimes it gets hot in the kitchen and this was one of those weeks.

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Buzz of the Orient
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3  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

I agree with what James Carville said at the top of this page.  As Santayana said, it is a big mistake to hide your history, and defunding the police will make things worse rather than better - it's just better to train the police better and to get rid of the bad eggs.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4  Nowhere Man    4 weeks ago

Lets not forget the recent history...

The reason we got Donald Trump as a president is because the Republican Establishment gutted the true peoples choice Ron Paul....

The Reason we Got Joe Biden as president is because the Democrat Establishment gutted Bernie Sanders the true peoples choice...

There is no doubt if one want to remember, the people wanted political outsiders cause they were (and still are) tired of the political establishment....

With the gutting of Ron Paul we got the Tea Party and OWS both populist movements with big (at the time) influence in Congress.... With the gutting of Bernie we got Antifa and BLM, (progressive to the point of being communist with huge influence in Congress)

The Tea Party locked up congress for quite a while and still has considerable influence, the progressive wing that came in the last election of rage is now locking up congress....

The establishment republican party, in the way they believe, had ostracized the tea party, and distanced themselves from it... The republicans do not like populist movements, remember that famous quote? "No more Ronald Reagans"...

The establishment democrat party, in the way they believe, has embraced antifa, BLM and the progressive wing in their inclusive ideal in the idea that they can control it and manage it...

Both movements had and have placed key people into key positions in their respective parties and while in power, the government...

What we now see today is those people and taking actions using their government granted powers and could care less what the establishment of their party say...

The unfortunate thing is the philosophy of the democrats is to be "All Inclusive" the party of the people... Which makes them ripe for a hostile take over... And yes the Democrat party has been taken over by the progressives... The Tea Party was unable to take over the Establishment Republican party but they got enough people in place to influence the direction of the party...

The Progressives of the democrat party, using the beliefs of the party against them, have taken over the democrat party and as a result have a lot of people in very high places in the government... Their only problem is Congress, the way the elections work they can't just PUT their people into elected offices, hence they cannot turn their agenda into law directly, they still need their establishment brothers.. (and are exerting their power now by holding up the establishments economic packages even though they have a lot of their own progressive garbage in those packages, they want more)

What we are seeing is the effect of those highly placed progressives in government doing their thing without regard to the establishment or how things are usually done... Using their authority they are just implementing their programs without any oversight.... We see this with the 450K to illegal immigrants policy through the AG's office and the presidents cluelessness about it... It's plain that the president has control of nothing... He doesn't even know what is going on in his own party or administration. But by their decades of "all Inclusiveness" party policies "One Big Tent" mantra, they think they need all those progressives at the voting booth to keep power.... so they let it happen....

Question is, do the rank and file Democrats, in their slide over the last few decades towards the left, have enough sense of freedom left in them to take their party back from the elitists and progressive socialists the elitists love? Do they still have control of their party?

Yes my friends the old political struggle still goes on, power and the struggle for power... We are witnessing it on a grand scale today in the democrat party... The Republicans recognizing this have stepped back and will let this struggle unfold in full view of the people... And the result may very well be some very distasteful laws being passed that will take a while to correct... 

But, at least we will know one thing that will come out of this struggle... the enemy has come out of the closet, not all the way into the open yet but has got the door open and is half way through it... As typical of all socialist movements they can't operate in an organized manner when they have power and are leaderless so many of the people in various positions in government are putting forth their little piece of the paradigm... 

The real enemy will soon surface... then we the americans still free, Conservative and Liberal can get to work... Like we always have....

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Nowhere Man @4    4 weeks ago
"Yes my friends the old political struggle still goes on, power and the struggle for power.."

A view of a non-American from afar is that the struggle isn't limited to the Democrats, and what seems to be more important to ALL the lawmakers is getting themselves re-elected, rather than getting things done.  

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4.1.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    4 weeks ago

Yes Buzz, that is one of the outward signs of the disease... This is why Socialists and Fascists love Autocracy, once they have power they don't have to give it up... Nobody can take it away...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.1.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    4 weeks ago
what seems to be more important to ALL the lawmakers is getting themselves re-elected, rather than getting things done. 

Their sole job is getting re-elected.

That's how we the represented notify our representatives that we are happy or unhappy with whatever they're doing.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Nowhere Man @4    4 weeks ago
The reason we got Donald Trump as a president is because the Republican Establishment gutted the true peoples choice Ron Paul.... The Reason we Got Joe Biden as president is because the Democrat Establishment gutted Bernie Sanders the true peoples choice...

You're joking, surely.

With the gutting of Ron Paul we got the Tea Party and OWS both populist movements with big (at the time) influence in Congress.... With the gutting of Bernie we got Antifa and BLM, (progressive to the point of being communist with huge influence in Congress)

We have the OWS, Antifa, BLM, and Trump because the American educational system has been complete shite for decades. Nobody who can do even basic math and read past an 8th-grade level is likely to support any of that nonsense.

The rise of the Tea Party is a direct response to the Affordable Care Act, which was badly written by people without a clue in hell what they were doing and who ignored basic math in favor of "feelings".

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4.2.1  Nowhere Man  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2    4 weeks ago

No Jack, I'm not joking...

We cannot lose sight of the big picture in the fight to stop bolsheviks.... And yes there are radicals on both sides....

What's happening in America today is the exact same thing that happened in Russia in 1917-18 and Germany in 1932-36... A small minority taking control of one side of a society and once ensconced in the system, using the system to gain control of the entirety...

The twists and turns are strange yes, and the fact that it can come from both sides is a truth we cannot afford to miss or forget...

I was an elector for Ron Paul at the convention and observed the beginnings first hand...

There is always a division In all societies since humans started creating societies, the establishment and the people... As long as the establishment does what it is supposed to, (support and work for the people) society hums along.. when the establishments STOP working for the people and start working for themselves, people will try at first to make other establishments... (The tea party was just such an attempt) These usually fail... but it also allows other establishments to come in from another direction to attempt to create their own hegemony over the whole... The Bolsheviks did it in Russia, the Nazi's did it in Germany, and the Progressive Socialists are trying to do it here now...

Right now we are seeing the genius of the Founders in action... Our system slows this process down, it creates the time for the people to see what is happening and force a change of direction....  No outside establishment can come in and take over in one fell swoop like the Bolsheviks did in Russia...

The real issue is how long is it going to take before all Americans, (both liberal and conservative) see what is being lost and make the decision to stop it...

At this point ALL free Americans should start being able to see the danger and make the decision to put aside our petty animosities and save the whole...

This attack isn't as in your face as Pearl Harbor or 9-11 but it is an attack on America just as serious.... And the method is much much more insidious...

It's going to take all of us to defeat this.... and we need to start thinking this way before it is too late...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Nowhere Man @4.2.1    4 weeks ago
No Jack, I'm not joking...

Well....in no way that I ever saw were Ron Paul or Bernie Sanders ever "the people's choice".  They were nutters with terrible ideas.

The Bolsheviks did it in Russia, the Nazi's did it in Germany, and the Progressive Socialists are trying to do it here now...

I get the historical references, but I think we have some of our own.  We're basically reliving the 1970's, minus those horrible leisure suits. 

The list of common themes is extensive.

  • Protests....Viet Nam to BLM
  • Disgraced POTUS with months of hearings...Nixon to Trump
  • Black swan economic event that we couldn't control but had lasting impacts on our society....oil embargo to Covid
  • Generation gap...young Boomers to young Millennials
  • Grandfatherly, feeble president not doing much until we work out a new direction....Carter to Biden
  • Inflation.... rampant in 1978 to ramping up in 2021

I see this as growing pains. I see us doing what we do, and reinventing ourselves as new generations come forward.  It's uncomfortable sometimes, but we'll work through it....largely because of the genius of those Founders.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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4.2.3  Nowhere Man  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Well, that's fine Jack, whatever you or I thought about their policies, they had the numbers to get elected, that is a fact that no one can deny...

And because of that fact, both establishment parties felt the need to politically gut them... By doing it the parties set forth a revolution of sorts and because of that, the age old insidious forces are trying to take advantage of the rage and hate those two acts brought forth...

The whole process started with LBJ and how he connived to expand the Vietnam war and what he did to the civil rights movement to be honest...

Americans have had a deep seated distrust of government ever since...

There is never going to come a day where we can escape the establishment and live in peace... All we can do is prevent them from taking full control and perverting our free way of life.... Unfortunately, history teaches us it gets a lot worse before it gets better...

Manchin is proof that the establishment is also waking up to the danger...

Hopefully it is in time...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.2.4  Jack_TX  replied to  Nowhere Man @4.2.3    4 weeks ago
The whole process started with LBJ

My mother grew up near him.  Couldn't stand the bastard.

She swore to her dying day that he had Kennedy killed.

Manchin is proof that the establishment is also waking up to the danger...

I see Manchin as evidence that the system works properly.  He's holding out as the voice of reason because that's what his constituents expect of him.

I hope he runs for president.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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4.2.5  MonsterMash  replied to  Jack_TX @4.2.4    4 weeks ago
My mother grew up near him.  Couldn't stand the bastard. She swore to her dying day that he had Kennedy killed.

I agree with your mother

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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5  Nowhere Man    4 weeks ago

A lot of people need to re-read Lincoln's 1838 Lyceum address.....

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years.

At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide.

I hope I am over wary; but if I am not, there is, even now, something of ill-omen, amongst us. I mean the increasing disregard for law which pervades the country; the growing disposition to substitute the wild and furious passions, in lieu of the sober judgment of Courts; and the worse than savage mobs, for the executive ministers of justice. This disposition is awfully fearful in any community; and that it now exists in ours, though grating to our feelings to admit, it would be a violation of truth, and an insult to our intelligence, to deny. Accounts of outrages committed by mobs, form the every-day news of the times. They have pervaded the country, from New England to Louisiana;--they are neither peculiar to the eternal snows of the former, nor the burning suns of the latter;--they are not the creature of climate-- neither are they confined to the slave-holding, or the non-slave- holding States. Alike, they spring up among the pleasure hunting masters of Southern slaves, and the order loving citizens of the land of steady habits.--Whatever, then, their cause may be, it is common to the whole country.

It would be tedious, as well as useless, to recount the horrors of all of them. Those happening in the State of Mississippi, and at St. Louis, are, perhaps, the most dangerous in example and revolting to humanity. In the Mississippi case, they first commenced by hanging the regular gamblers; a set of men, certainly not following for a livelihood, a very useful, or very honest occupation; but one which, so far from being forbidden by the laws, was actually licensed by an act of the Legislature, passed but a single year before. Next, negroes, suspected of conspiring to raise an insurrection, were caught up and hanged in all parts of the State: then, white men, supposed to be leagued with the negroes; and finally, strangers, from neighboring States, going thither on business, were, in many instances subjected to the same fate. Thus went on this process of hanging, from gamblers to negroes, from negroes to white citizens, and from these to strangers; till, dead men were seen literally dangling from the boughs of trees upon every road side; and in numbers almost sufficient, to rival the native Spanish moss of the country, as a drapery of the forest.

Turn, then, to that horror-striking scene at St. Louis. A single victim was only sacrificed there. His story is very short; and is, perhaps, the most highly tragic, if anything of its length, that has ever been witnessed in real life. A mulatto man, by the name of McIntosh, was seized in the street, dragged to the suburbs of the city, chained to a tree, and actually burned to death; and all within a single hour from the time he had been a freeman, attending to his own business, and at peace with the world.

Such are the effects of mob law; and such as the scenes, becoming more and more frequent in this land so lately famed for love of law and order; and the stories of which, have even now grown too familiar, to attract any thing more, than an idle remark."

The mob is running government, with an even larger mob exhorting it along with the willing cooperation of the government....

History is repeating itself....

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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6  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

The road back began Tuesday night.

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devangelical
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6.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6    4 weeks ago

dumbass Qtard boebert didn't even carry her own county in her congressional win, because the citizens of silt colorado knew what kind of white trash she and her husband are. that teabag trollop should have added "this space for rent" right under the word brandon on her dress.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @6.1    4 weeks ago
dumbass Qtard boebert didn't even carry her own county in her congressional win,

Obviously not a requirement.

Was she on the ballot this past Tuesday?

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.1    4 weeks ago

nope. nope. any more dumb ass questions needing answers?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
6.1.3  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @6.1    4 weeks ago

Is that the way they talk in Colorado?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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6.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @6.1.2    4 weeks ago

Just wondering what the fuck she has to do with the post you responded to.

Oh, that's right, she doesn't have anything at all to do with it. Nice and usual deflection!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @6.1.3    4 weeks ago
Is that the way they talk in Colorado?

especially to mobile trumpster sperm banks...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
6.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.4    4 weeks ago
Nice and usual deflection

I yield to your expertise.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @6.1.6    4 weeks ago

Good, as I have lots of experience since reading your posts.

Now we both know you deflected!!

 
 
 
devangelical
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6.1.8  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.7    4 weeks ago

word

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"W hat   happened on Tuesday to make Glenn Youngkin the governor of Virginia, and bring Jack Ciattarelli within two points of taking down supposedly safe incumbent Phil Murphy in New Jersey? Before we can fully understand   why   it happened, it is helpful to look at   what   happened.

Turnout

Let’s start with turnout. Votes are still being counted, particularly in New Jersey, and while that will not affect the final outcome, it is early to assess the final turnout numbers — especially in terms of comparing variations in turnout at the county level. Still, we can draw some preliminary conclusions.

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In Virginia, by any measure, turnout was very high. Over 600,000 more people voted in the Virginia governor’s race in 2021 than in 2017. Terry McAuliffe got 170,000 more votes in defeat than Ralph Northam got in victory four years earlier. That’s not just a by-product of population growth in the state. If you compare the gubernatorial turnout to the number of people who voted in the prior year’s presidential election, Virginia saw 73 percent as many people voting — the highest ratio since 1989, when Douglas Wilder was elected the commonwealth’s first black governor following a lopsided presidential election. This was the first gubernatorial election since 1997 to clear 70 percent of presidential turnout. By contrast, turnout fell off very sharply in the 2009 race won by Bob McDonnell and the 2013 race won by McAuliffe, undoubtedly in both cases due to the number of Barack Obama voters who did not show up at the polls when Obama was not on the ballot.

We can take away one obvious conclusion: For all the Republican mockery of his tepid rally crowds and all the progressive complaints about his unexciting campaign and the supposed depressing effect of not passing the mammoth reconciliation bill, McAuliffe did not lose this race for lack of turnout of Democratic voters.

New Jersey may be a different story. A lot of people voted there, too; an increase of over 300,000 voters compared with 2017. Murphy also got around 30,000 more votes in 2021 than in his lopsided victory in 2017. But as of the current numbers, turnout fell compared with the prior year’s presidential race for the sixth gubernatorial election in a row. New Jersey had consistently high gubernatorial turnout between 1949 and 1997, at least relative to its presidential turnout, but that has ceased to be the case in this century.

That falloff, however, is partly a feature of growing presidential turnout. The New Jersey presidential electorate was 3.01 million people in 1976, 3.07 million in 1996, 3.19 million in 2000, 3.66 million (probably suppressed by Superstorm Sandy) in 2012, but soared to almost 4 million in 2016 and 4.57 million in 2020. The gubernatorial races have not kept up. Still, if Democrats want to talk about the complacency or apathy of their base, they should look at progressive Phil Murphy rather than conventional liberal Terry McAuliffe as the guy who failed to excite.

The Swing

Statewide, both states swung significantly from the Democrats’ easy victories in the 2017 gubernatorial races: an 11.3-point swing in Virginia, and a 12.7-point swing in New Jersey. Bear in mind that I use “swing” here to compare the margins of victory: Thus, a swing from a five-point win to a five-point loss is ten points, although that actually represents just 5 percent of the electorate switching sides.

Of course, a partisan reaction against the party holding the White House has been a longtime trend in New Jersey, and an extremely pronounced one in Virginia, where McAuliffe’s victory in 2013 was the only time since 1973 that the party holding the White House won the gubernatorial race in Virginia.

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As you can see from this chart, the partisan swing of Virginia against the party in the White House was comparatively muted in 2013 and 2017; the 12.5-point swing in 2021 from the state’s own presidential vote was typical of the double-digit swings in every race between 1977 and 2009.

New Jersey’s swing against the party in power — 14.5 points this year — was actually muted in 2017, with Murphy merely duplicating Hillary Clinton’s margin of victory against Donald Trump. That was also true during the George W. Bush years. The state has tended to react more strongly against Democratic presidents in the post-Reagan era, with double-digit swings against the Republicans only once (in 1989) but against the Democrats now four times (1997, 2009, 2013, and 2021). Of course, the unique political talent of pre-Bridgegate Chris Christie made a big difference in the 2009 and 2013 races.

Where It Happened

Where did the voters turn against the Democrats? Was this just a matter of fired-up voters in Trump areas?   Joe Biden seems to think so . In fact, there was a big movement in the Republican direction in just about every corner of Virginia and New Jersey — red and blue, urban and rural, big counties and tiny ones. Virginia is a bit complicated because it has 95 counties plus 38 independent cities, which makes the counties look redder than they are. Compared to the 2020 presidential race:

  • Youngkin flipped seven counties and four cities that voted for Joe Biden: Prince Edward, Stafford, Northampton, Chesterfield, Montgomery, James City, and Surry Counties, and the cities of Radford, Hopewell, Virginia Beach, and Chesapeake. The counties are mostly adjacent to the bluest parts of the state in Northern Virginia or the Richmond area. Radford is a competitive island in the red west of the state, but the vote-rich Virginia Beach area by the southeast Atlantic coast includes both Chesapeake city and Northampton County.
  • Fifty-four of 95 counties and 28 of 38 cities saw a double-digit swing in the Republican direction, the largest being an 18.3-point swing in Radford.
  • Ninety of 95 counties and all 38 cities saw at least a five-point swing in the Republican direction.
  • The remaining five counties that swung only modestly to Glenn Youngkin — Carroll, Grayson, Bland, Dickenson, and Buchanan Counties — were all won by Donald Trump by margins of at least 58 points, so there was not much more blood left to be squeezed from those stones.

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    The shifts are different, but the basic story is the same:

    • Youngkin flipped five counties and four cities that voted for Ralph Northam, which overlap with the places flipped from Biden: Northampton, Montgomery, Surry, Prince Edward, and Chesterfield Counties, and the cities of Radford, Chesapeake Virginia Beach, and Hopewell.
    • Sixty-four of 95 counties and 13 of 38 cities saw a double-digit swing in the Republican direction compared with 2017, the largest being a 20.8-point swing in Radford and a 20.7-point swing in Bath County.
    • Ninety-two of 95 counties and 31 of 38 cities saw at least a five-point swing in the Republican direction.
    • Three counties and six cities swung only modestly to Glenn Youngkin compared with 2017. Henrico and Albemarle counties got slightly less blue; James City County remained slightly red. Smaller swings were in solidly blue cities (Petersburg, Charlottesville, Fairfax), one solid-red city (Colonial Heights), and two cities that were competitive in both races (Hopewell and Staunton).
    • In just one city, Emporia, McAuliffe performed better than Northam. Notably, Emporia also had the second-largest swing toward Youngkin compared with the presidential race. Thus, the city clearly has a fair number of Gillespie-Biden-Younkin voters, or at least voters who sat out Trump.

    New Jersey has fewer and larger subdivisions than Virginia, being divided into 21 counties.

    • Ciattarelli flipped four counties won by Biden: Atlantic, Cumberland, Morris, and Gloucester Counties. Three of these are smaller counties in the southern, less urbanized part of the state. Morris County is a textbook example of the kind of suburban county that Trump alienated; Mitt Romney won it by nearly ten points, and it’s Christie’s home county, which he won by 29 points in 2009 and by 40 in 2013.
    • Eighteen of 21 counties saw a double-digit swing in the Republican direction compared with 2020, the largest being swings of more than 18 points in Somerset, Atlantic, Morris, and Cumberland Counties.
    • Twenty of 21 counties saw at least a five-point swing in the Republican direction compared with 2020.
    • In just one county, Hudson (dominated by Jersey City), Phil Murphy performed better than Biden, stretching the Democratic margin from a 46.2-point win to a 47.4-point win. Perhaps not coincidentally, with Jersey City, Hoboken, and Weehawken, Hudson County tends to have a lot of young, new residents and refugees from New York City. It’s the most densely populated county in the state.
      • Ciattarelli flipped three counties won by Murphy in his first race: Cumberland, Gloucester, and Atlantic Counties.
      • Thirteen of 21 counties saw a double-digit swing in the Republican direction compared with 2017, the largest being eye-popping swings of more than 20 points in Cumberland, Atlantic, Salem, Gloucester, and Passaic Counties. Passaic is one of the suburban counties along the border with suburban New York.
      • Eighteen of 21 counties saw at least a five-point swing in the Republican direction compared with 2020. Mercer County had a smaller swing.

      Notice what is missing: Not one county or city in Virginia or New Jersey was flipped to the Democrats from 2020 or 2017.

      This was a big red wave. It washed all over two states that have been blue for a while. It proved that the enduring dynamics of politics — persuasion of swing voters, reactions against the party in power — have not somehow been rendered irrelevant by polarization, Donald Trump, changes to voting procedures, January 6, or any of the other factors that we sometimes hear cited as reasons why “everything is different now.” The more things change, the more we see which things remain the same.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
8  author  Vic Eldred    4 weeks ago

"This train is moving so fast in the House. They have blown by hearings and they have blown by bipartisan markups. They don’t even have a score from the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), which is required in the Senate. " Lindsey Graham

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Thrawn 31
PhD Guide
9  Thrawn 31    4 weeks ago

Defund the police is indeed retarded, and most people don’t actually want that. I honestly don’t personally know anyone that thinks we shouldn’t have police.

Demanding that people’s name or statues be taken down because they weren’t perfect is equally retarded.

Confederates are different, they were fucking traitors and fought in the name of a horrid institution that humanity is better for leaving behind.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
10  Sean Treacy    4 weeks ago

Emerson has the Republicans up +7 on the generic congressional ballot. If that's true in a year, it will be a generational wipeout for Democrats in 2022.

Keep  doubling down on calling everyone racists, dems.  I'm sure those numbers will be sure to turn around. 

 
 
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