Sussman Not Guilty - More Failure For Barr, Durham
Ron Filipkowski
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Hahahahahahh
!!!!! John Durham goes down to defeat as Michael Sussman is acquitted today. A trial that Trump and MAGA have followed daily arguing it was going to lead to the prosecution of Hillary Clinton. 
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Lawyer Sussmann, who worked for Clinton, acquitted of lying to FBI in 2016
A jury cleared Michael Sussmann, a lawyer for Democrats, of lying to the FBI at the height of the 2016 campaign -- a defeat for Special Counsel John Durham.
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same old same old
Maybe members of the jury are pedophile , socialist, God and gun haters.
What else could it be?
Three were Clinton donors, one an AOC donor and another's daughter played on the same team as Sussman's daughter. Even if a miracle happened and Sussman was convicted, the Obama judge would have given him zero prison time.
Now you know why they didn't bother to prosecute James Comey, who had a criminal referral.
The next trial will be much different. It will be held in Virginia.
Tell yourself that if it makes you feel better.
The right has been saying that for the last 25 years.. "Hillary will be arrested ANY DAY NOW!!!!"..
/yawn
Johnny Depp/Amber Heard trial has lasted much longer than ten weeks - and it still ain't over. Sussman's trial, at the hands of his friends/colleagues, only lasted two weeks.
Reality???
So no blame gets put on Durham himself? Seems to me he has as much a part of how long the trial lasts as anyone.
Rigged jury.
So again, Durham gets a pass? Seems to me he was there for jury selection.
Goes along with the last rigged election? Can't you come up with something new?
Why are Trump's decades long Russian connections, finances and who knows what else so desperately in need of protection?
Besides, if you really want to 'jail' anybody for Russian connections why doesn't Durham relitigate Manafort, Flynn, Gorka and the Trump kids?
And the daughter that played on the same team as Sussman's daughter is also a criminal? Gee, sounds like 'The Kraken' has hemorrhoids, don't ya think?
What is the annual salary and budget of a 'Special Council'? Is a Special Council appointed by a MAGA entity a life-long appointment or vehicle of employment on the Taxpayers dime?
Based on your partisan ideology, your hopes for Virginia being a better venue for Durham's BS are baseless. The jury pool voted 80% Democratic in 2020, UP from 76% from 2016. Seems like it's a pretty good bet that there are a pretty percentage of Clinton and Democratic House donors still in that pool.
While the Judge IS a Bush appointee, it's unfair to assume that he is a partisan hack.
BTW, Durham is pulling the same BS that he did in the Sussman case. Durham bitched about alleged 'conflicts of interest' of Danchenko's attorneys, just as he did with Sussman. Durham then files motions to adjourn discovery, over and over again causing the defendants time to object to those documents to be conflated in order to keep the trial date. Durham will now do another last-minute document dump and Danchenko gets 15 days to review them.
The trouble is that it the type of jury they want. They can't win, they just want to be able to point to the jury and claim that the jury was biased. Just like they are doing now.
A few legitimate questions:
Did Sussman claim in text messages that he was not representing a client?
Was he representing a client?
Did his firm bill time to a client for his little trip to the FBI, and charge his client for a thumb drive to transfer the info to the FBI?
I didn't think they were going to get by that jury even with overwhelming evidence. At least the people know, regardless of what one thinks of Donald Trump, that a terrible scam was perpetrated on the American public and the FBI & the media were willing participants.
No they dont.
You bet they do!
No they don't!
You are right.
Many people don't recognize what happened, and probably never will.
Sure, he was working for clients when he went to the FBI, and lied about that specifically. Hell, records show he billed the clients for his time and a flash drive for the info he passed to the FBI.
Some will never see that simple truth.
Gee, what a shocker that the investigation of the investigators has all added up to nothing!
The ones without mile wide blinders on certainly do.
The terrible scam perpetrated on the American public was trumpturd and his enablers/supporters.
Trump is no longer in office. Deal with the present.
You know that won't happen. If they do that then they would have to face up to the fact that they put Biden in office. They would have to accept responsibility for the train wreck.
Very true.
Yeah, it's not a surprise. The evidence is bulletproof. He lied in his text to Baker (no he said/she said defense) and the billing records show he charged Clinton for his work. The FBI agents all said the lie was material.
But it's a DC Jury.
Yup, totally bulletproof. Hillary will be locked up in jail any day now.
Nice dodge.
He didn't say anything about your Goddess Hillary being locked up.
You HAD a point?
LOL.
Makes no difference to me whether Hillary Clinton goes to jail or not. Just knowing she will never be president is enough for me.
“Just knowing she will never be president is enough for me.”
So thanks be to Obama, eh?
He had nothing to do with it. She did it all herself.
Are the Las Vegas bookies placing odds on whether or not you will be changing your avatar?
Why should Vic do that? Durham got what he wanted, Sussman was ancillary, a conviction would've been great but not needed.
What do we now know, the Trump Russia connection was hatched in the Hillary campaign, it was then sent to the FBI by a concerned citizen, Sussman, which we now know was a lie, he was working for the Clinton campaign, Hillary signed off on the plot, the FBI investigation was leaked to the press, with Hillary acting all surprised when the story came out, and this all came out in court. Now, you having been a lawyer, know what this means.
I don't have knowledge of or experience in American political legal entanglements and I have never been able to comprehend this one.
Since it was brought out in court, Durham can now use what was admitted to, in front of a judge, in the next trial, he is still building his case and he just received more useful information.
Link?
Oh, facts please, not innuendo not proven in court.
My God this is too easy.
It is also from far left publication Time, so let's see you try and spin this, or get some other spin CNN or MSDNC told you.
"Clinton’s 2016 campaign manager Robby Mook testified on May 20 that Clinton agreed with the campaign’s decision to tell reporters about the potential Trump-Russia internet connection."
Does testimony from defense witnesses mean anything at all to you?
No because when testimony from someone on their side is damaging to their side, then that person is no longer credible, is now MAGA, and by default, a white supremacist.
From your link:
So it looks like that FBI had 'plenty of reason to believe' that there was a Trump/Russia connection LONG before Sussman went to the FBI. So it wasn't 'hatched' by Clinton, it was exhibited by Trump, Trump Jr., Manafort and Papadopulos and Flynn and Page.
WTF are you babbling on about?
Thanks for the info, bccrane. By the way, I've not practised law since about 2002 - getting pretty rusty.
That's an interesting question on an intellectual level. I believe it is up to a jury or a judge sitting without a jury to form an opinion as to the probablility and veracity of such testimony, which may or may not be accurate or true, not just from what is said, but from the demeanor of the witness. I don't think Dulay was sitting on the jury.
Gee, I don't think Dulay was sitting on the jury either.
I responded to this post:
It was CLEAR from testimony given by a defense witness that Hillary approved of the plan.
Hence my question.
Hope that makes it clear.
Funny thing is I have been called that before even on NT. They focus on my Anglo sounding name and conservative leaning views when I am in fact of multi ethnic background that includes Mexican/American and Chiricahua Apache on my mother's side. My paternal grandmother was of 1/4 Cherokee extract.
Actually, no it does not. It is far too easy to ignore truth and facts and rely on and try them in the kangaroo court of public opinion.
Maybe if you actually read what you cut and paste, it says "Trump himself gave voters plenty of reason" Does not say FBI.....and BTFW, Dulay, the voters the link is alluding to is loon leftists who had been, and still are, directed to believe Trump colluded with Russia.
You are no different, You follow orders well.
I've never practiced law, but it has been thrust upon me numerous times through lawsuits, interacting with lawyers through depositions, and being an expert witness in a negligent homicide case. It never crossed my mind that I would even be in a position of having to deal with the judicial system when I was young and now beyond 60 years of age looking back it's like "holy crap I went through a lot" for being out in the middle of nowhere.
One notable encounter with a lawyer during a deposition for a lawsuit against my company, this lawyer was one of the top personal injury lawyers of the state, at the 12th question he asked and I answered and he immediately told me that he had asked this question before and I answered differently and I told him he never asked this question before, my lawyer was starting to squirm in his chair and looking at me with the look of "Don't argue with him", I wasn't going to let it go because the lawyer wanted me to change my first answer, so I told him "I know you didn't ask this question before, because if you had it would've been the same answer as I just gave you". At this point I looked at the stenographer and asked her to go back to the third question and read it off, she did, now read off this question, she did, then I asked her was that the same question, she said the words were similar but not the same question, I asked my lawyer was it the same question, "No" he was now smiling, the lawyer relented, asked me a couple more questions, even though you could clearly see he had pages of questions to go, and ended the deposition. This is why I sympathize with Flynn when questions keep coming at you it's easy to fall into a perjury trap.
But you have to understand that if you do not post links from a far left website, the action never happened.
His own son is on record saying that Trump gets plenty of money from Russia.
Is that illegal--or even relevant to anything at all?
The funny thing is I posted a link from the far left site Time, and she refused to read it because it would have enlightened her.
Strawman.
More bullshit based on your bias, unfounded opinion. I leave it to members to judge your veracity based on their own interpretation of the article.
Are you suggesting that I somehow acquired the block quote I posted from your linked article via osmosis bugsy?
BTFW, I'm not the one misrepresenting it's content, you are.
No from outside, it looks like you are. The article clearly says "gave VOTERS plenty of reason" NAFT about the FBI. You are seeing things that aren't there.................
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"Trump himself gave voters plenty of reason to believe he welcomed Russian assistance in defeating Clinton. On July 27, 2016, during a televised press conference, Trump looked into the cameras and encouraged the Russian government to intervene to find emails allegedly deleted from Clinton’s personal servers and make them public. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing, I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” That same day, Russian actors sent phishing emails to accounts used by Clinton’s campaign and office, special counsel Robert Mueller found."
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"So it looks like that FBI had 'plenty of reason to believe' that there was a Trump/Russia connection LONG before Sussman went to the FBI".
I educated you that nowhere in that post does it say the FBI by educating you with this :
"Maybe if you actually read what you cut and paste, it says "Trump himself gave voters plenty of reason" Does not say FBI"
You doubled down on ignorance by going straight to insults when you know you have been proven wrong yet again
Not my fault.
The predicate [look it up] for this discussion was this comment;
Other members have tried and failed to support that statement, which BTFW includes Clinton signing off on 'the plan' which allegedly includes Sussman knowingly giving false information to the FBI . There was NO testimony to support that claim.
Sussman charged the Hillary campaign for his time spent at the FBI peddling his and her campaign's lies.
Pretending Hillary didn't know and approve is simply ridiculous when presented with the facts.
I hope certain members of NT can survive this calamitous news.
I'm sure they are celebrating and don't worry they know Sussman lied, but like you once said, they had to get Trump!
I'm confident we won't see pictures of any of them wearing stupid hats and screaming at the sky...
I think some of the "woke" left has a monopoly on that particular kind if stupidity.
You mean like these idiots?
Here are some good ones.
Or this screaming lunatic...
You must be taking lessons from another useless meme user here on NT. Your photoshop skills desperately need some work.
That image is neither a meme nor photoshopped. It's a screen shot from a documentary.
Your supercilliousness is noted.
Real......or meme?
Correct answer...
Both
False.
Bullshit like that is why people laugh at you.
Incorrect, we don't laugh at Dulay. That's on you all and your lack of understanding of facts and truth and reality.
Oh, don't feel bad Tess. We laugh at you too. Just for different reasons.
FUCK OFF
Here is a version posted by the AP in 2016:
Donald Trump looms as cloud in Marco Rubio's Sunshine State (floridapolitics.com)
Here's is the EXACT photo posted by St. Louise media:
'Unfit: The Psychology of Donald Trump' Diagnoses The President - KDHX
Here's one posted by Spanish media in 2020:
Donald Trump zginie? Jest nagroda za zamach na prezydenta USA! - Planeta
So, unless you are claiming that Gsquared 'shared' his creation with those media outlets since 2016, your claim is bullshit.
Bullshit like that is why I laugh at YOU.
LMAO. Is that supposed to convince me your meme isn't photoshopped? If it is, you failed miserably.
The picture that leads off post 4.2.2 is definitely photoshopped, trying to say otherwise is a fool's errand.
That picture MAY appear in some documentary that only TDS sufferers watched.
Still photoshopped.
As is yours.
Nothing calamitous about it. Just another example of our two tier justice system at work.
Judge and jury were already bought and paid for; verdict was predictable from the start.
Only TDS suffering morons are celebrating this victory of our broken justice system.
The only thing missing is what the Simpson jury gave us - honesty!
They at least had the decency to admit that they acquitted him because he was black!
These jurors don't have the integrity of a pig that they wish they were decent enough to be!
Just like the Trumpist morons think the election was stolen. What a bunch of feeble minded idiots.
How many of the jurors do you know?
Do you really hate the American people that much?
It's hilarious it's only broken when your guy loses.
Yes, quite obviously. Only those on the left/dems/progressives though.
You know the mouthpieces on the left will ignore all that.
Your proof of that? Or is that just another expression of reactionaries' hatred of the American people?
You need to pay attention to who you are quoting and asking questions of.
Since you quoted the same thing and commented on it, he's asking you of course or are you that obtuse.
Seems that some leftists either don't give a damn; or just can't read.
It was all over the news. The judge and jury were both tainted.
Last I checked it either the prosecution or defense wanted to dismiss a juror the judge could do jack shit of nothing about it. So already judge is tampering with the jury pool by allowing a Clinton donor and supporter on it that prosecution didn't want seated.
So two Democrat donors. Neither of which should have been seated.
Why not just have the Clinton campaign and defense team be the jurors. They would have been just as impartial.
Already a stacked deck by having the trial in DC; but the judge ensured the verdict he wanted.
Also, the judge barred evidence; and greatly limited the scope of what Durham could use.
Then there is the POS judge himself.
Yeah, nothing to see here. Move along. Democrats would be screaming bloody murder if the positions were reversed and it was a Bush appointed judge with a history of cracking down on Democrats; and several Trump donors the judge forced onto the jury.
“These jurors don't have the integrity of a pig…”
Would these be the feral pigs that require AR-15s to exterminate? Should you ever go to trial, one wonders just what a jury of your peers would look like…
…on second thought, just read the commentary hereabouts to determine the pool… but you know it does not, should not, and cannot meet the Constitutional requirements.
Glad we agree that bias opinion isn't worthy.
Wow, then why did they come to a unanimous opinion to acquit Sussman?
Nice failed block quote
Here is the actual full sentence
"Democrats would be screaming bloody murder if the positions were reversed and it was a Bush appointed judge with a history of cracking down on Democrats; and several Trump donors the judge forced onto the jury. "
Hypocritical that you would do the exact same thing you bitch and moan about daily.
Animal Farm characters comes to mind.
Yet BOTH block quotes are equally BULLSHIT so your comment is moot.
Deflect alert
When all else fails, tell people you inserted yourself into and were arguing about something that was bullshit to begin with. Not a good look.
Nope....you lose once again.
Like your normal MO, You tried to parse his words to argue something totally different than what was commented on,. It is dishonest, at the very least.
BTFW, Dulay, his comment was right on. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it because EVERYONE knows that whatever the left accuses the right of doing, the left damn sure is doing it themselves....and doubling down on it.
But with some...
fully exected
I think you may want to reword your comment Jim...
Not a good look.
My argument is that his implication that the judge forced donors of ANY persuasion onto the jury is utter bullshit.
Fuck off bugsy.
Damn Dulay...didn't figure you as the triggered type.
We all have known that giving you truth over and over gives you the want to try and argue something not posted, hoping to argue whatever you want and try and declare victory.
But telling someone to fuck off?
If you want to talk about it, give me a ring, ya hear?
No, that's bullshit.
You need to reread what you posted in. Here..let me help you
"Wow, then why did they come to a unanimous opinion to acquit Sussman?"
Just admit it, Dulay...you fucked up.
Take your supercilious bullshit to someone who respects your opinion.
It takes some intellect to recognize irony. I can't help you with that bugsy.
OK since you won't do it, I'll do it for you..
You fucked up.
Own it.
You'll be better for it.
Or maybe not
Yep......triggered.
Sorry to see it s/
At least there are people that respect yours. Triggered is quite correct.
Awarding yourself a participation trophy. Well done. /s
Unsurprisingly, you mistake unimpressed with triggered bugsy.
Oh, I forget that thumbs up buddies are all important to you and yours. I see by 'people' you mean yourself.
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A certain member is most likely wearing a black arm band because his idol got his ass handed to him in court.
Lol..
Suddenly this case is news? Strange how proud you were this was being ignored by the MSM and now, amazingly, the MSM has made it a front page story and already two seeds on this site.
Weird how that works.
Durham proved his case. The jury, unsurprisingly, failed to follow where the law and facts led them.
But the important thing is the record is made. There's no escaping the history once the partisan fervor dies down. History knows what the Clinton and the FBI did. There's no running away from that.
This seed is about the acquittal of Sussmann for lying to the FBI.
History knows that Clinton has been accused ad nauseam for DECADES and NEVER indicted for a fucking thing.
No shit. Are you familiar, at all, with the trial? I'm referring to the admitted evidence.
hat Clinton has been accused ad nauseam for DECADES and NEVER indicted for a fucking thing.
So what? The same can be said about Trump. Doesn't change what she's done
But everybody knows what she did and gotten away with.
Nope.
Tell you what Greg, cite the laws or statutes violations that you claim Clinton 'got away with'. I'll wait...
Then WHY are you flapping your gums about Hillary Clinton and the FBI? What evidence was admitted to prove that Clinton or the FBI violated any laws Sean?
*everybody deluded by Qanon conspiracy theories, horse shit right wing propaganda and those who are high on the fumes from leaving their heads stuck up Trumps ass too long...
The teflon is strong with that one.
The ignorance is strong in that comment.
You made a statement but as usual, you can't support it.
They have Clinton Derangement Syndrome.
Yes, as usual.
Pot meet kettle...
Left over from Teflon Bill.
Further proof of the contempt some reactionaries hold for the American people.
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Sussman lied too
And Clinton knew
Turk 182
Oh well, there's always Danchenko ...
The reactionaries are claiming that the verdict doesn't mean anything, the jury was corrupt and whatever other excuse they can think up.
If the verdict was guilty we can know for a fact that they would be screaming at the top of their lungs what a great victory it was.
What a bunch of hypocritical phonies.
The FBI treated Sussman's allegations the same as all the other reports (plural) of Trump's secretive dealings with known agents of Russian State Intelligence Services while running for President.
Yes, the FBI and CIA were investigating Trump's Russian dealings in the lead up to the 2016 election. How could they not? Interpol and MI6 were also...
You should stop making thigs up and read the Mueller report.
. How could they not? Interpol and MI6 were also...
Why not add the justice league? It's not like reality has anything to do with your claims.
Now you are being ridiculous. The Sussman verdict is the end of John Durham's Folly...
Still another trial coming up.
And the results of those investigations?
NOTHING.
Absolutely fucking NOTHING.
Even YOU who parrot the same shit over and over have NEVER been able to say what Trump did illegally.
So WHAT if Trump was "investigated?
We who can think and see clearly know that Sussman lied.
They who can think disinterestedly know that you have an opinion.
I'll ask you the same questions which have been ignored:
Did Sussman claim in text messages that he was not representing a client?
Was he representing a client?
Did his firm bill time to a client for his little trip to the FBI, and charge his client for a thumb drive to transfer the info to the FBI?
If you can truthfully answer these questions, we can talk about my opinion.
The trial was not covered up here other than an article or 2 in newspapers of various partisan leanings which makes it a case I would never comment on as to guilt or innocence. Any comment/opinion I may have made would have been directed at the entirely partisan 'jump the shark' desire to find guilt.
I never asked you if he was guilty in your eyes or not. Since you commented on the case, I just naturally assumed you were interested enough in it to have kept up with it a little.
The questions I asked didn't call for any opinion, just an honest look at the facts, and honest answers.
If facts are considered "jumping the shark", color me guilty.
There is only one 'fact' of any importance, the jury was unanimous in its finding.
It is very apparent to me you aren't really interested in any facts regarding the case.
Thanks anyway.
Another trial coming up in October except this is with a witness for the prosecution that is unsure of what he thought he heard.
You've been parroting that for quite a while now. And yet you have yet to provide anything to back it up. No evidence, no charges, NOT A GODDAMN THING. And yet you expect to be taken seriously.
Well, yeah, but................he has memes!
All that shows is he's good at making shit up. But then again his comments do that too.
Yet, a unanimous verdict showes I was right!
Will you answer just one question?
Why do you keep repeating the same old tired crap about Trump being investigated when you know damn well NOTHING came of ALL these investigations from around the whole world?
At a glance maybe. But then again even a broken clock is right at least twice a day.
I think he should smile
He's so ugly. Normally I don't give a shit about looks but I'm sick of looking at that ugly mug all the time on NT. Especially such a loser and a drain on our taxpayer dollars!
I thought he was.
But this is SO much better s/
He looks like a mud fence with tadpoles squished all over it.
At least he identifies as a he, and not pretending to be something else.
Perhaps Durham's next move, and smartest move, would be to open an investigation of the jury?
Or should Durham refer back to Barr for a clearer understanding of what he's supposed to be accomplishing?
Or should Durham just move to Belarus?
Swamp jury and swamp judge...... is it any surprise this verdict stinks?
Not to thinking people.
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An interesting poll would be to go to a park and ask 1000 people if they knew the results of the Depp trial? Then ask them if they knew the results of the sussman trial? You might learn what the average American cares and doesn't care about.