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US national debt nears $31T: What it means and why it's a concern

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  vic-eldred  •  4 years ago  •  147 comments

By:   Aislinn Murphy (Fox Business)

US national debt nears $31T: What it means and why it's a concern
The U.S. national debt is approaching a record $31 trillion, according to data released by the Treasury Department, and it could have ramifications for the economy.

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The U.S. national debt is steadily approaching $31 trillion, according to the data released Friday by the Treasury Department.

The federal government's total public debt outstanding sits at about $30.9 trillion as of Friday, with roughly $24.3 trillion of it being held by the public and $6.6 trillion in intragovernmental holdings, which include federal trust funds and other accounts. The U.S. national debt previously hit a milestone in February 2022, when it surpassed $30 trillion for the first time.

The national debt is the "accumulation" of the federal government borrowing money by selling marketable securities to pay its deficits and the "associated interest owed to the investors who purchased these securities," according to the Treasury Department.

The Treasury Department releases the fix interest rate for Series EE bonds every May and November. (iStock / iStock)

A deficit occurs when the government spends more than it collects in revenues in a given fiscal year. The national debt gets larger as the U.S. racks up more deficits, the Treasury Department said.

The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) warned in its latest long-term budget outlook that the rising debt could have ramifications for the U.S. economy.

Debt that is high and rising as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP) would "raise borrowing costs throughout the economy, reduce private investment, and slow the growth of economic output over time," the CBO said in its July report. Increased interest costs related to the debt would "drive up interest payments to foreign holders of U.S. debt, decreasing the nation's net international income," the agency added.

With "persistently rising" debt, investors could lose confidence in the federal government's ability to pay off its debt, which could result in interest rates or inflation suddenly rising, according to the CBO.

The CBO said other potential risks include creating widespread expectations of higher inflation, reducing confidence in the U.S. dollar or making securing financing for public and private activities in foreign markets more challenging. It could "cause lawmakers to feel more constrained in their policy choices" as well, according to the agency.

The federal debt could rise to 185% of GDP in 30 years, the agency projected in its report.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    4 years ago

Somebody tell Joe Biden  ...in a rare moment when his brain is functioning

Donald Trump is off topic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    4 years ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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1.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @1.1    4 years ago

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Sunshine
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2  Sunshine    4 years ago

Yesterday I had a person running for State Rep show up at my door.  I have to say I was surprised.  I don't ever recall a candidate canvassing showing up at my door.  He said the top two concerns are inflation and abortion.  People tell him that they are highly concerned about the future of their financial security and others tell him that they are seriously suffering under Biden's economy.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @2    4 years ago

I had a similar experience. A person showed up at my door running for the US House version. He handed me his campaign card & spoke of inflation and crime. Before he spoke, I had two enormous clues that he was a Republican:

1) He properly listed the two main issues on most people's minds.

2) There was no party affiliation listed on his campaign card.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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2.1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    4 years ago
1) He properly listed the two main issues on most people's minds.
2) There was no party affiliation listed on his campaign card.

Same here.  I had to ask him what party he was running on and he said he hated that question...lol.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sunshine @2.1.1    4 years ago

Old habits die hard. That was the old GOP.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2  Split Personality  replied to  Sunshine @2    4 years ago

It's a natural occurrence here, I am beginning to think it's just because people want to see my back yard.

Doesn't matter which party, they always knock, introduce themselves and ask for a photo op "out back".

Texas is just special that way.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Sunshine @2    4 years ago

Eileen Filler-Corn is my state delegate.  She was the first Jew and first woman to be speaker of the Virginia House of Delegates.  She didn't knock on doors, but on the weekends and early evenings she would walk her neighbor hoods and engage others out walking and those walking pets.  It was a friendly, non-obtrusive way to campaign.  I always enjoyed our conversations.

 
 
 
JBB
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3  JBB    4 years ago

original

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @3    4 years ago

2 years of fucking stupid Democrat policies have caused high gas prices; inflation; recession; high crime by releasing criminals and defunding the police (violent crime in the case of Democrat bastion of stupidity cities); record setting illegal immigration; record setting drug deaths for US citizens and profits for the Chinese and Mexican drug cartels; a market it flux; and weaponizing the IRS, FBI, and DOJ against their political opponents.

Everyone saw this coming. Everyone is affected by it. 

But Democrats expect to be reelected at midterms. Proving just how stupid and out of touch with reality they really are.

 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1    4 years ago
2 years of fucking stupid Democrat policies have caused high gas prices; inflation; recession

Right, let's just pretend a global pandemic didn't happen, environmental disasters aren't surging due to global climate change, oil and gas never reduced production in response to the pandemic and that the massive political divide hadn't culminated in an attempted insurrection by right wing conservative extremists determined to violently install their Dear Leader in power. Sure, sure, blame everything on the Democrats because it's way more convenient than the truth.

 
 
 
dennissmith
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3.1.4  dennissmith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.1    4 years ago

Every POTUS has issues to deal with. Most have done it without blaming and whining, but not Biden

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  dennissmith @3.1.4    4 years ago
Most have done it without blaming and whining, but not Biden

Are you seriously claiming rightwing conservatives aren't "blaming and whining"? It seems that's all I've heard from conservatives since November 2020.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1.8  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.6    4 years ago
he specifically mentioned the President, so why are you twisting his words?

Are you saying the former President wasn't "blaming and whining" after the election results in 2020? Not only was he "blaming and whining" then, he's still "blaming and whining" two years later.

 
 
 
dennissmith
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3.1.12  dennissmith  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.5    4 years ago

My response was about the POTUS not anyone else. 

 
 
 
dennissmith
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3.1.13  dennissmith  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.9    4 years ago

You are spot on again.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.15  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.14    4 years ago

Pot meet kettle.

Oh the irony.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.17  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.16    4 years ago

No, I caught that in your post accusing others of what you do quite regularly.

Thanks

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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3.1.19  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.11    4 years ago
Are you seriously claiming rightwing conservatives aren't "blaming and whining"?
He claimed nothing of the sort. Why even ask that dumb question when it is quite clear he didn't?

So, are You, claiming rightwing conservatives AREN"T...?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.21  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.20    4 years ago

Words.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.23  Split Personality  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.22    4 years ago
Got those quotes of mine yet?

There's clearly no point in engaging with that nonsense.

I've witnessed too many of your pointless "arguments" that lasted three days or more

playing word games and just being downright disagreeable for no gain.

Just like in this article, you interpret the same words differently from many, many other

people; hopefully it's deliberate and nothing else.

 
 
 
JBB
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4  JBB    4 years ago

Cutting taxes while spending like crazy on the military did not produce the promised growth to pay for it...

Voodoo Economics resulted in our massive debts.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @4    4 years ago

"Bush added $4.9 trillion to debt. Former President Obama left office having added $9.3 trillion to the national debt, according to numbers from the Treasury Department."



That's how it began. It had everything to do with spending.


Biden has taken it to a whole new level. It will hurt us all.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 years ago
Former President Obama left office having added $9.3 trillion to the national debt

In 8 years. Trump added $7.8 trillion in 4 years. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.1.2  Ronin2  replied to  Dulay @4.1.1    4 years ago

Trump had to deal with the start of the Covid pandemic. 

We can compare how much Brandon will have increased the national debt in 4 years. Ukraine alone will blow anything Trump did out of the water. Not to mention the trillions in unfunded Democrat spending on green energy and social engineering projects.

But at least Brandon has ended Covid like he promised./S

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.2    4 years ago
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Obama had to deal with a global financial crisis. 

BTFW, that 'Brandon' bullshit is childish. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @4.1.4    4 years ago

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Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.9  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    4 years ago
only children refer to presidents by "pet names".

I'm sure 'Brandon' would agree with your sentiment.

 
 
 
afrayedknot
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4.1.11  afrayedknot  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.10    4 years ago

Equally childish. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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4.1.13  Jasper2529  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.6    4 years ago

Children repeat the propaganda they are taught to believe. In this case, Biden, the "Unifier-in-Chief", has taught his spineless adult followers to meekly follow him by vehemently accusing 74+ million US voters as:

  • MAGA Republicans
  • A threat to democracy
  • Fascists
  • Extremists
  • And Biden's dumbass dud ... Trumpies

In my many decades of voting, I've never seen a POTUS so deliberately and hatefully attack his fellow Americans who didn't vote for him.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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4.1.14  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Jasper2529 @4.1.13    4 years ago
In my many decades of voting, I've never seen a POTUS so deliberately and hatefully attack his fellow Americans who didn't vote for him.

So I take it falsely accusing the 81 million Americans who didn't vote for him of election fraud and declaring that they were trying to "destroy our country" shouldn't be considered a "deliberate and hateful attack"?

ORLANDO, Fla. — President  Donald Trump accused Democrats of trying to "destroy our country"  as he officially kicked off his re-election campaign with a packed-house rally at the Amway Center here Tuesday night.

"Our  radical Democrat opponents are driven by hatred, prejudice and rage  ," "  They want to destroy you and they want to destroy our country as we know it. "

Trump, launching re-election bid, says Democrats 'want to destroy our country' (nbcnews.com)

Not only did he accuse them of fraud after he lost, and continues to accuse them without a lick of evidence, he spent much of his time on the campaign trail pre-convicting them of election fraud.

" T he only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged " - DJT

Trump: ‘The only way we’re going to lose this election is if the election is rigged’ | The Hill

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.15  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @4.1.14    4 years ago
So I take it falsely accusing the 81 million Americans who didn't vote for him of election fraud

I didn’t vote for Trump in either election and I don’t believe that there was any significant voter fraud.  I don’t think anyone that believes that there was significant voter fraud is accusing 81 million Biden voters.  Where did you get that idea?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.1.16  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.1.15    4 years ago

Then who are you and what have you done to the MAGA Drinker of the Wry we all know?

Because, that fella is a 100% Pure MAGA...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.18  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.1.16    4 years ago
Then who are you and what have you done to the MAGA Drinker of the Wry we all know?

That's just your biases running away with you again, jbb.  

Because, that fella is a 100% Pure MAGA...

You can't find a single instance were I supported Trump, that's all in your head.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.19  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 years ago

If you are going to flag my comment as off topic because I cited, he who shall not be named, you've a crap load of other comments to flag in this seed Vic. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.1.20  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @4.1.16    4 years ago
Then who are you and what have you done to the MAGA Drinker of the Wry we all know? Because, that fella is a 100% Pure MAGA...

You just haven't paid attention.

It's worth noting that a refusal to get carried away with brainless Trump fearing hysteria does not actually equate to support for the man.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1    4 years ago
The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president. Donald Trump Built a National Debt So Big (Even Before the Pandemic) That It’ll Weigh Down the Economy for Years — ProPublica

45 added $7.8 trillion in just 4 years, thankfully we did not get to see what 8 years would have been.

And please don't bother to flag.

Trying to make this solely about Biden, but allowing comments about other former Presidents, then making comments about other former Presidents yourself makes Mr. Trumps performance fair game.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.1.25  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.24    4 years ago
45 added $7.8 trillion in just 4 years, thankfully we did not get to see what 8 years would have been.

No surprise there, his business model was based on continued borrowing.  In that sense he fit into DC well and continued the norms of the modern presidency.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.1.26  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @4.1.24    4 years ago
then making comments about other former Presidents yourself makes Mr. Trumps performance fair game.

You're the boss.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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4.1.37  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @4.1.26    4 years ago

The rest of this thread was removed for off topic. Get back on topic, only warning.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4    4 years ago
Voodoo Economics resulted in our massive debts.

Surprisingly, neither Clinton nor Obama fixed this, when will Biden fix it?

 
 
 
JBB
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4.2.1  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.2    4 years ago

Clinton cut the deficit to zero.

Bush blew it up to two trillion.

Obama cut Bush's deficit in half.

Trump had three trillion dollar deficits.

Biden's deficit this year will be one trillion.

What is up with that? The gop always blows up our deficit and Democratic Presidents cut it. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    4 years ago
Obama cut Bush's deficit in half

Oh bullshit. President Bush   took office in 2001. He racked up $3.293 trillion in deficits during his two terms, a 57% increase.

President Obama had the largest deficits . By the end of his final budget, FY 2017, his budget deficits totaled $6.781 trillion over his eight years in office. That's a 58% increase from President George W. Bush's last budget.

[EDITED - OFF TOPIC]

President Biden's end result is set to be much higher with the $58 Billion sent to the Ukraine, several "stimulus packages".  Sadly we are only 2 years into Biden's term.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.3  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.2    4 years ago

It was true in 2014 when Obama claimed that.

Has it really been cut in half?

The White House Office of Management and Budget pointed us to a chart prepared by that office in 2013 as proof of Obama's claim.

It compares the yearly deficits under Obama, expressed -- as they often are -- as a share of the nation’s entire economy, which is measured by the Gross Domestic Product.

At the start of Obama’s term, the chart showed, the figure was 9.2 percent. The latest figure was 4.1 percent.

That appears to back Obama's statement.

But let's examine this in detail.

To do that, we reviewed figures published by the Congressional Budget Office as well as the White House’s Office of Management and Budget . We also consulted with independent fiscal experts.

The baseline year for comparison is fiscal year 2009, which ended Sept. 30 of that year. This was the last budget from President George W. Bush, as Obama took office in January of that year.

The most recent complete fiscal year is 2013.

Those are the same years Obama's chart showed.

Our analysis showed the drop easily topped 50 percent, and was actually somewhat higher than Obama's chart would indicate.

PolitiFact | Obama says he has cut national deficit in half

Perhaps if you had provided the link to your quote everyone could continue to read why during a Depression Obama and Congress approved such measures to pull us out of the economic nosedive Bush left us with.

Or how Trump came in #2 when handed a solid, but lethargic economy.

U.S. Budget Deficit by President (thebalancemoney.com)

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.3    4 years ago

My source for that information is in YOUR link.  jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif But you would know that if you read it.

during a Depression Obama and Congress

A "depression"?  Really.  When was the recession changed to a "depression"?  Oh, wait, it was done to in a failed attempt to make the person whose budget deficits totaled $6.781 trillion look good.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.2.1    4 years ago
Clinton cut the deficit to zero.

Did the huge gains in the stock markets, and the dot-com bubble, bring in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue?  If we only had Al Gore inventing the internet every couple of years or so.

How much did of the budget surplus have to do to the Social Security tax on payrolls.  If that surplus was for future recipients, should it have been counted as a surplus?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.3    4 years ago

I sit corrected, the article calls the recession, the "Great Recession",

not a depression.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.8  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.4    4 years ago
My source for that information is in YOUR link.  But you would know that if you read it.

I did read the link I provided for your article, thanks for the sarcasm.

  My point is that accurately quoting a snippet of text that you think makes some sort of partisan victory is just the lowest form of keyboard warrior chickenshit on social media.

The article clearly points out that Obama tallied $6.781 Trillion in 8 YEARS.

The article further points out that Trump tallied $6.6 Trillion in just 4 YEARS.

during a Depression Obama and Congress
A "depression"?  Really.  When was the recession changed to a "depression"?

Already addressed, thanks.

  Oh, wait, it was done to in a failed attempt to make the person whose budget deficits totaled $6.781 trillion look good.

Ironic coming from a die hard Trump excuser.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.8    4 years ago
My point is

Your point is that you tried and failed to make me look the fool.  

The article clearly points out that Obama tallied $6.781 Trillion in 8 YEARS. The article further points out that Trumo tallied $6.6 Trillion in just 4 YEARS.

Congratulations.  You CAN read.  And I was questioning your ability.  BTW, who the hell is "Trumo"?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4.2.10  Split Personality  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.2.9    4 years ago
Your point is that you tried and failed to make me look the fool. 

Don't worry yourself about that, you do just fine without any help from others.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4    4 years ago
Cutting taxes while spending like crazy on the military did not produce the promised growth to pay for it...

The portion of the federal budget for the military has significantly decreased from near 60% in the 50’s to around 13% today. Entitlement spending has significantly grown to over 60% today.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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4.3.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3    4 years ago

You get the A today sir!

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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4.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @4.3    4 years ago

And yet the Democrats tout government largesse and "freebies" for just about everyone...to be paid for by taxing the"rich" and corporations.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.3.3  JBB  replied to  Greg Jones @4.3.2    4 years ago

Government Largesse? As in cutting taxes on the rich and big multinational corporations? 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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4.3.4  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @4.3.3    4 years ago

No as in giving $10,000 dollars of US taxpayer money to those that choose not to repay their college debts by EO. So much for Congress holding "the power of the purse" when Brandon is in the White House.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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4.3.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @4.3.3    4 years ago

As in cutting taxes on the rich

Exactly, for 2018, the first year after Trump’s tax law, the top 10% earned 47.66% of the nation’s income and paid 71.37% of the federal income tax paid.  

We just want them to pay their fair share.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @4    4 years ago
Cutting taxes while spending like crazy on the military did not produce the promised growth to pay for it... Voodoo Economics resulted in our massive debts.

Replacing private wealth with public wealth is still trickle down economics.  Government taxes only transfers money to government and, supposedly, the money collected by government trickles down, too.

You do understand that Biden's student loan forgiveness is trickle down economics.  The tax incentives and subsidies in the Inflation Reduction Act is trickle down economics, too.  Just because the government transfers the money from the rich to its own coffers doesn't change how trickle down economics works.

Biden is spending money like crazy on the military, too.  Democrats only use the military to trickle down money to other countries.  

 
 
 
JBB
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4.4.1  JBB  replied to  Nerm_L @4.4    4 years ago

No, the only people for whom $10,000 in student loan forgiveness is life changing are the poor low paid workers. A semester at a state college costs that much. It is a drop in the bucket for most...

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4.4.3  Sunshine  replied to  JBB @4.4.1    4 years ago
poor low paid workers

Why are they poor with a college degree?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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4.4.4  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @4.4.1    4 years ago
No, the only people for whom $10,000 in student loan forgiveness is life changing are the poor low paid workers. A semester at a state college costs that much. It is a drop in the bucket for most...

And that money trickled down.  Those with student debt didn't do anything that was life changing; it was done for them.  The government acting as sugar daddy doesn't empower anyone.

You know, the government taxing the rich only transfers money to the government.  Democrats aren't demanding that the rich send money directly to the poor.  The government taking that money from the rich doesn't change anything.  The money still has to trickle down.

 
 
 
JBB
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4.4.7  JBB  replied to  Sunshine @4.4.3    4 years ago

Get Real! They generally don't have degrees. Most either dropped of flunked out before getting a degree. Ten grand will not even pay for one semester at most state colleges...

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.4.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JBB @4.4.7    4 years ago
Most either dropped of flunked out before getting a degree.

So what you are saying is we are paying for their failure.  

Ten grand will not even pay for one semester at most state colleges...

Mine cost me far less than 10 grand a semester.  I also was smart enough to get my degree in something useful.  I'm at zero balance on student loans but then again, I wasn't dumb enough to take out 10 grand for 1 semester.

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.4.11  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @4.4.3    4 years ago

Less than half of those with student loans graduate with a college degree. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.4.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @4.4.12    4 years ago

Frankly I think that graduating with a degree or at least a certificate of some sort, should be a prerequisite if this program goes through. Period.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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4.4.15  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.14    4 years ago

But that would mean there would have to be some personal accountability.  These people know nothing of that.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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4.4.16  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @4.4.15    4 years ago

What was I thinking LOL

 
 
 
Sunshine
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4.4.17  Sunshine  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @4.4.14    4 years ago
Frankly I think that graduating with a degree or at least a certificate of some sort, should be a prerequisite if this program goes through. Period.

Absolutely! 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.4.18  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @4.4.7    4 years ago
Ten grand will not even pay for one semester at most state colleges...

No, but it will more than cover two years and an entire Associate's Degree at the vast majority of community colleges.

The forgiveness plan is simply people who made responsible decisions subsidizing those who didn't.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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4.4.19  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @4.4.11    4 years ago
Less than half of those with student loans graduate with a college degree. 

It's actually just over 60%.

Still, it's a very problematic number, and addressing that should certainly be central to any long term student loan reform.

 
 
 
Dulay
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Jack_TX
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4.4.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Dulay @4.4.20    4 years ago

Interesting.

They both say they're using DoE figures, but neither article links to them.

I think the difference may be the 60% number I cited (used by Elizabeth Warren) includes kids who finish (or don't) within 6 years.  It appears the OneClass number simply records any kid who discontinues classes as a drop-out.  But there isn't really any way to tell without the actual data.

Regardless, either figure is damning.  At some point we need to start talking about the predatory practices and complete lack of accountability among of some of our previously hallowed institutions.  

 
 
 
Hallux
Professor Principal
5  Hallux    4 years ago

Trickle down? Money defies gravity and flows uphill.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Hallux @5    4 years ago

Biden’s Student Debt Relief uses trickle down, otherwise why would the eligibility ceiling be set at $250,000 per household?

 
 
 
Hallux
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5.1.1  Hallux  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @5.1    4 years ago

It uses the terminology, both parties play that game. Sip carefully Wry, folks will soon be calling you 'woke'.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    4 years ago
Why It's A Concern

I see little evidence that anyone in Washington is concerned about it.

 
 
 
JBB
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6.1  JBB  replied to  Tacos! @6    4 years ago

It is a fact taught in every ECON 101 Class in the world that governments only have two ways of stimulating economic growth.

One - Cut Taxes.

Two - Increase Spending.

Either party could balance the budget at any time given the will and the determination to deal with a non-stimulated economy for the length of a down cycle and a temporary recession. Staying in power is motivation enough to spend and borrow. Good governments use restraint, unlike Trump's gop did. 

We spent and borrowed like drunk sailors during good economic times. Now, when the economic cycle changes, we cannot afford to do very much.

It truly is a conundrum. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.1    4 years ago
It is a fact taught in every ECON 101 Class in the world that governments only have two ways of stimulating economic growth.

One - Cut Taxes.

Two - Increase Spending.

Where did you take Econ 101?

There is also Monetary Policy and                      Regulatory Policy.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
6.1.2  JBB  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @6.1.1    4 years ago

Money policy and regulatory policy are just different words for taxing and spending...

They are about tax policies and regulations.

And, my personal information is off bounds.

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Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
6.1.4  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @6.1.2    4 years ago
Money policy and regulatory policy are just different words for taxing and spending...

That's not how that works.

And we haven't even mentioned regulation.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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6.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @6.1.2    4 years ago
Money policy and regulatory policy are just different words for taxing and spending

No:

  • Fiscal policy = government spending and taxation to influence the economy
  • Monetary policy = actions of central banks to achieve objectives i.e. price stability, full employment, and stable economic growth
  • Regulatory policy = the use of regulations, laws, and other instruments to meet economic and social outcomes 

Undergrad at Ohio State University, grad school at Clarian University.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7  JohnRussell    4 years ago

It's highly unlikely that the national debt will ever be an actual problem for the United States, even if it keeps going up. There are a number of online articles explaining why this is so. 

The national debt as an issue is basically a way for conservatives to say we have cut back on social safety net spending. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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8  Drinker of the Wry    4 years ago
It's highly unlikely that the national debt will ever be an actual problem for the United States

In 2021, interest on the debt the government almost $400 billion dollars, as debt grows and interest rates increase, that cost will grow. That's about 8% of all federal revenue collections and roughly $3,055 per household.  Is half a trillion in annual interest costs an "actual problem", is $600 billion a problem??  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8    4 years ago

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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8.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @8.1    4 years ago

Advice on the US National Debt from a British comedian is well, funny.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.3    4 years ago

I thought comedians were supposed to be funny?

His humor is as bad as the old crew's on [removed]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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8.1.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.3    4 years ago

I didn't say that you shouldn't listen.

Did you hear John say, "“But right now, most economists actually agree that with interest rates at historic lows,"  I didn't hear him address inflation and rising interest rates.  Maybe it was pre-recorded before rates began rising.

"the question shouldn’t really be ‘How much debt are we taking on?’ as much as ‘What is the value of what we are getting for it in return?’”

I agree and while he called it an obsessions, the infrastructure bill passed as did the COVID bills with bipartisan support.

Oliver implies that growth rates in the economy will always be greater than interest rates, so no need to worry about the debt, or a continual rise in the debt-to-GDP ratio. I remember when the Fed Fund Rate hit 20% in 1980.   That year US GDP dropped to -0.3%.  

The long term concerns on national debt aren't about an investment like the infrastructure bill, it's about structural deficits that are annual and growing.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.6    4 years ago

See 8.1.4

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9  Drinker of the Wry    4 years ago
The national debt as an issue is basically a way for conservatives to say we have cut back on social safety net spending.

Is the CBO a conservative group"

Debt that is high and rising as a percentage of GDP could slow economic growth , push up interest payments to foreign holders of U.S. debt, heighten the risk of a fiscal crisis, elevate the likelihood of less abrupt adverse effects, make the U.S. fiscal position more vulnerable to an increase in interest rates, and cause lawmakers to feel more constrained in their policy choices.

Deficits. At 3.9 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), the projected deficit in 2022 is much smaller than those recorded in 2020 and 2021, because federal spending in response to the coronavirus pandemic has waned and revenues have risen sharply. Nevertheless, in CBO’s projections, federal deficits over the 2022–2052 period average 7.3 percent of GDP (more than double the average over the past half-century) and generally grow each year, reaching 11.1 percent of GDP in 2052. That projected growth in total deficits is largely driven by increases in interest costs: Net interest outlays more than quadruple over the period, rising to 7.2 percent of GDP in 2052. Primary deficits—that is, deficits excluding net outlays for interest—grow from 2.3 percent of GDP in 2022 to 3.9 percent in 2052.

Debt. By the end of 2022, federal debt held by the public is projected to equal 98 percent of GDP. The rapid growth of nominal GDP—which reflects both high inflation and the continued growth of real GDP (that is, GDP adjusted to remove the effects of inflation)—helps hold down the amount of debt relative to the nation’s output in 2022 and 2023. In CBO’s projections, debt as a percentage of GDP begins to rise in 2024, surpasses its historical high in 2031 (when it reaches 107 percent), and continues to climb thereafter, rising to 185 percent of GDP in 2052.
 
 
 
Jack_TX
Professor Quiet
9.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9    4 years ago
Is the CBO a conservative group"

They use "math".  The bastards.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
10  Kavika     4 years ago

In 1981 the national debt crossed the one trillion mark. And here we are 31 years later crossing the $31 trillion mark. Seems that both parties have done their fair share of spending.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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10.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Kavika @10    4 years ago

You got that right, both Parties care far more about re-election that helping the American people understand the pros and cons of investment and debt decisions in the long-term.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Expert
10.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @10.1    4 years ago

Servicing the debt will be $400 billion this year. 

 
 

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