Russia Reactivates Its Trolls and Bots Ahead of Tuesday's Midterms - The New York Times

  

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By:   Steven Lee Myers (nytimes)

Russia Reactivates Its Trolls and Bots Ahead of Tuesday's Midterms - The New York Times
Researchers have identified a series of Russian information operations to influence American elections and, perhaps, erode support for Ukraine.

Researchers have identified a series of Russian information operations to influence American elections and, perhaps, erode support for Ukraine.


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[Photo: The St. Petersburg building that is said to be the site of the Russian Internet Research Agency. Cybersecurity researchers have tied the agency to a new Russian misinformation effort.Credit...Mstyslav Chernov/Associated Press]

By Steven Lee Myers

Steven Lee Myers, who has reported from Russia and China, writes about misinformation and is based in San Francisco.

Nov. 6, 2022Updated 10:38 a.m. ET

The user on Gab who identifies as Nora Berka resurfaced in August after a yearlong silence on the social media platform, reposting a handful of messages with sharply conservative political themes before writing a stream of original vitriol.

The posts mostly denigrated President Biden and other prominent Democrats, sometimes obscenely. They also lamented the use of taxpayer dollars to support Ukraine in its war against invading Russian forces, depicting Ukraine's president as a caricature straight out of Russian propaganda.

The fusion of political concerns was no coincidence.

The account was previously linked to the same secretive Russian agency that interfered in the 2016 presidential election and again in 2020, the Internet Research Agency in St. Petersburg, according to the cybersecurity group Recorded Future.

It is part of what the group and other researchers have identified as a new, though more narrowly targeted, Russian effort ahead of Tuesday's midterm elections. The goal, as before, is to stoke anger among conservative voters and to undermine trust in the American electoral system. This time, it also appears intended to undermine the Biden administration's extensive military assistance to Ukraine.

"It's clear they are trying to get them to cut off aid and money to Ukraine," said Alex Plitsas, a former Army soldier and Pentagon information operations official now with Providence Consulting Group, a business technology company.

The campaign — using accounts that pose as enraged Americans like Nora Berka — have added fuel to the most divisive political and cultural issues in the country today.

It has specifically targeted Democratic candidates in the most contested races, including the Senate seats up for grabs in Ohio, Arizona and Pennsylvania, calculating that a Republican majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives could help the Russian war effort.

The campaigns show not only how vulnerable the American political system remains to foreign manipulation but also how purveyors of disinformation have evolved and adapted to efforts by the major social media platforms to remove or play down false or deceptive content.

Last month, the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency issued an alert warning of the threat of disinformation spread by "dark web media channels, online journals, messaging applications, spoofed websites, emails, text messages and fake online personas." The disinformation could include claims that voting data or results had been hacked or compromised.

The agencies urged people not to like, discuss or share posts online from unknown or distrustful sources. They did not identify specific efforts, but social media platforms and researchers who track disinformation have recently uncovered a variety of campaigns by Russia, China and Iran.

Recorded Future and two other social media research companies, Graphika and Mandiant, found a number of Russian campaigns that have turned to Gab, Parler, Getter and other newer platforms that pride themselves on creating unmoderated spaces in the name of free speech.

These are much smaller campaigns than those in the 2016 election, where inauthentic accounts reached millions of voters across the political spectrum on Facebook and other major platforms. The efforts are no less pernicious, though, in reaching impressionable users who can help accomplish Russian objectives, researchers said.

"The audiences are much, much smaller than on your other traditional social media networks," said Brian Liston, a senior intelligence analyst with Recorded Future who identified the Nora Berka account. "But you can engage the audiences in much more targeted influence ops because those who are on these platforms are generally U.S. conservatives who are maybe more accepting of conspiratorial claims."

Many of the accounts the researchers identified were previously used by a news outlet calling itself the Newsroom for American and European Based Citizens. Meta, the owner of Facebook and Instagram, has previously linked the news outlet to the Russian information campaigns centered around the Internet Research Agency.

The network appears to have since disbanded, and many of the social media accounts associated with it went dormant after being publicly identified around the 2020 election. The accounts started becoming active again in August and September, called to action like sleeper cells.

Nora Berka's account on Gab has many of the characteristics of an inauthentic user, Mr. Liston said. There is no profile picture or identifying biographical details. No one responded to a message sent to the account through Gab.

The account, with more than 8,000 followers, posts exclusively on political issues — not in just one state but across the country — and often spreads false or misleading posts. Most have little engagement but a recent post about the F.B.I. received 43 responses and 11 replies, and was reposted 64 times.

Since September the account has repeatedly shared links to a previously unknown website — electiontruth.net — that Recorded Future said was almost certainly linked to the Russian campaign.

Electiontruth.net's earliest posts date only from Sept. 5; since then, it has posted articles almost daily ridiculing President Biden and prominent Democratic candidates, while criticizing policies regarding race, crime and gender that it said were destroying the United States. "America under Communism" was one typical headline.

The articles all have pseudonyms as bylines, like Andrew J, Truth4Ever and Laura. According to Mr. Liston, the website domain was registered using Bitcoin accounts.

ImageElectiontruth.net lists a cafe in Cotter, Ark., as its contact. The cafe has closed, replaced by the Cotter Bridge Market. The market's owners said they knew nothing about the website.Credit...Trent Bozeman for The New York Times

For its contact information, electiontruth.net lists a cafe inside a converted gas station in Cotter, Ark., a town of 900 people on a bend in the White River. The cafe has closed, however, and been replaced by Cotter Bridge Market, a produce shop and deli whose owners said they knew nothing about the website. No one at Election Truth responded to a request for comment submitted through the site.

Mr. Liston said that links to electiontruth.net appeared to be closely coordinated with the accounts on Gab linked to the Russians.

In another campaign, Graphika identified a recent series of cartoons that appeared on Gab, Gettr, Parler and the discussion forum patriots.win. The cartoons, by an artist named "Schmitz," disparaged Democrats in the tightest Senate and governor races.

One targeting Senator Raphael Warnock of Georgia, who is Black, employed racist motifs. Another falsely claimed that Representative Tim Ryan, the Democratic Senate candidate in Ohio, would release "all Fentanyl distributors and drug traffickers" from prison.

The cartoons received little engagement and did not spread virally to other platforms, according to Graphika.

A recurring theme of the new Russian efforts is an argument that the United States under President Biden is wasting money by supporting Ukraine in its resistance to the Russian invasion that began in February.

Nora Berka, for example, posted a doctored photograph in September that showed President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine as a bikini-wearing pole dancer being showered with dollar bills by Mr. Biden.

"As working class Americans struggle to afford food, gas, and find baby formula, Joe Biden wants to spend $13.7 billion more in aid to Ukraine," the account posted. Not incidentally, that post echoed a theme that has gained some traction among Republican lawmakers and voters who have questioned the delivery of weapons and other military assistance.

"It's no secret that Republicans — that a large portion of Republicans — have questioned whether we should be supporting what has been referred to as foreign adventures or somebody else's conflict," said Graham Brookie, senior director of the Digital Forensics Lab at the Atlantic Council, which has also been tracking foreign influence operations.

The F.B.I. and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency did not respond to requests for comment about the Russian efforts. Mr. Brookie called the revived accounts "recidivist behavior." Gab did not respond to a request for comment.

As before, it may be hard to measure the exact impact of these accounts on voters come Tuesday. At a minimum, they contribute to what Edward P. Perez, a board member with the OSET Institute, a nonpartisan election security organization, called "manufactured chaos" in the country's body politic.

While Russians in the past sought to build large followings for their inauthentic accounts on the major platforms, today's campaigns could be smaller and yet still achieve a desired effect — in part because the divisions in American society are already such fertile soil for disinformation, he said.

"Since 2016, it appears that foreign states can afford to take some of the foot off the gas," Mr. Perez, who previously worked at Twitter, said, "because they have already created such sufficient division that there are many domestic actors to carry the water of disinformation for them."


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Revillug
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1  seeder  Revillug    3 weeks ago

In case you are wondering why you are suddenly seeing some characters online again.

 
 
 
Diablo Imperius
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1.1  Diablo Imperius  replied to  Revillug @1    3 weeks ago

As if any of this has any impact whatsoever on the election unless you’re a dimwitted ass douche then yeah you could probably run into a Russian Botan find yourself manipulated like oh I don’t know most of the population that has no freaking clue whatsoever about what’s going on.

but then again they’ve already been completely freaking brainwashed and if you’re wondering where is the evidence for that take a look around and be aware have some self-awareness.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.1.1  Ozzwald  replied to  Diablo Imperius @1.1    3 weeks ago
As if any of this has any impact whatsoever on the election unless you’re a dimwitted ass douche

So you're saying that the misinformation is aimed at MAGA people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @1.1.1    3 weeks ago
So you're saying that the misinformation is aimed at MAGA people.

Have someone explain what he actually wrote so you won;t need to ask asinine questions like that one.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.1.4  Texan1211  replied to    3 weeks ago
There are millions of Putin puppet conservative trolls online because Drump colluded with Putin and wanted them to attack the poor Ukrains too. Putin is scared of trans freedom in Ukraine and here. So sad to see Moscow controlling bigots online.

Them damn Russkies are sure savvy, eh?

 
 
 
Diablo Imperius
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1.1.5  Diablo Imperius  replied to  Texan1211 @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

That was just a courtesy he did fior me to prove my point.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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2  Drinker of the Wry    3 weeks ago
A National Security Agency memo this month said the Chinese hackers scanned more than 100 U.S. state-level political party domains altogether. The memo said the hackers are suspected to be the group formerly known as APT 1. In 2013, cybersecurity firm Mandiant publicly revealed the existence of the espionage outfit, its connections to the government of the People’s Republic of China (PRC) and the fact that it had stolen hundreds of terabytes worth of data from at least 141 companies.

A pro-China influence campaign pushed messages on social media seeking to discourage U.S. voters from casting ballots in the midterms, security researchers said Wednesday.

The group, nicknamed “Dragonbridge,” has criticized U.S. society before, but “its targeting of the U.S. political system through attempts to discourage Americans from voting shows a willingness to use increasingly aggressive rhetoric,” according to Mandiant, a cybersecurity firm Google acquired last month.
 
 
 
Revillug
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2.1  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @2    3 weeks ago

I saw this on Newsy the other night:

TikTok Has Been Hiring Former CIA, FBI, and NSA Officers

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3  Gsquared    3 weeks ago
there are many domestic actors to carry the water of disinformation for them

In other words, the Republican Putinites have their talking points.

 
 
 
Revillug
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3.1  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Gsquared @3    3 weeks ago
In other words, the Republican Putinites have their talking points.

When I wandered back into this place a couple of months ago I was like, "omg..is everyone left in this chatroom a Russian spy?"

Nah, the social contagion of disinformation has just spread far and wide.

 
 
 
shona1
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3.1.1  shona1  replied to  Revillug @3.1    3 weeks ago

Gotta watch those Russians.. they keep getting their Hemispheres mixed up..

Vlad kept thinking I was in the Northern Hemisphere, bit of a worry when they have a finger on the button..😬

 
 
 
shona1
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4  shona1    3 weeks ago

Arvo...well a couple of months ago I did ask if some were Russians in disguise..

I got a penalty...I wore it with pride.. my first I didn't even get one on Newsvine..even after bagging out Vlad the bad..

Oh the joy!! We have got State elections in two weeks time...feel free Russia, China... anyone!!

Sigh...it's more than a Koala can bare..

 
 
 
Revillug
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4.1  seeder  Revillug  replied to  shona1 @4    3 weeks ago
I did ask if some were Russians in disguise..

From what I hear FoxNews might as well be a Russian in disguise these days.

I don't have a cable TV package so I really don't know first hand. 

 
 
 
shona1
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4.1.1  shona1  replied to  Revillug @4.1    3 weeks ago

Arvo revi.. don't watch fox news or any other news other than whats on the normal commercial channels... that's enough for a laugh..

I look at it...no news is good news...just have to sieve the crap from the crap..

I am off, the sun, sand and surf is calling.. ripper first swim for Spring...🦈

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @4.1    3 weeks ago
From what I hear FoxNews might as well be a Russian in disguise these days.

Perhaps it is time for you to expand your "news" sources. 

Yours appear to be feeding you a line of bull.

 
 
 
Revillug
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4.1.3  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
Perhaps it is time for you to expand your "news" sources. 

Trust me, if I wanted to watch a "news" source, Fox"News" would be the first one I would check out.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  Revillug @4.1    3 weeks ago
From what I hear FoxNews might as well be a Russian in disguise

They hardly try to hide it.  Some of the most vocal Russian shills are Fox mainstays.  Fucker Carlson is a committed Putinite fascist.  Russian media was even instructed by Putin's propaganda department to use Carlson's Fox broadcast clips.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @4.1.3    3 weeks ago
Trust me, if I wanted to watch a "news" source, Fox"News" would be the first one I would check out.

Well, what news source informed you that Fox must be a Russian in disguise then?

 
 
 
Revillug
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4.1.6  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
Well, what news source informed you that Fox must be a Russian in disguise then?

That's a reasonable question. 

The topic has been discussed in the press. Here's one example:

Tucker Carlson, downplaying Russia-Ukraine conflict, urges Americans to ask, ‘Why do I hate Putin?’

Bill Maher sort of asked his roundtable in the second part of his show, "what's going on with Fox News these days. It's like the whole network is taking Russia's side on everything these days?" I think he's funny and often "not wrong." He was the inspiration for "FoxNews is a Russian in disguise."

I no longer have access to Fox, CNN, or MSNBC because I went shopping around for a cheaper streaming package than YoutubeTV. And to be honest, I don't miss them. But if I had access to Fox I would check it out for a day or so to see what they are up to.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.7  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @4.1.6    3 weeks ago

I still am waiting on which source told you Fox was Russian.

I would like to see and verify that for myself if you tell me which one it was.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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4.1.8  al Jizzerror  replied to  Revillug @4.1    3 weeks ago
From what I hear FoxNews might as well be a Russian in disguise these days.

Trump is Putin's #1 fanboy, butt Trump's stranglehold on the Retrumplican party has been slipping.  There is a new “conservative” who is now seems to be more popular than The Donald.  Fucker Carlson, the most poopular personality on Fox Noise, seems to be the new de facto leader of White-wing knuckle draggers.

The Donald was an obvious Russian asset (probably because of Kompromat).  Carlson seems to be even more pro-Putin (probably because of his stupidity).  Carlson, like many conservatives, is a chicken hawk.  Even though Carlson avoided military service, he criticizes US generals and other combat veterans.  Carlson has also praised Hungary's prime minister Viktor Orbán, who has suppressed civil liberties and intimidated the media. Orbán opposes a "mixing of races" and advocates "White Christian values". Orbán was the first speaker at CPAC and he got many standing ovations.  Fucker Carlson dedicated a week to praising Orbán on Fox "News".

Then there are Retrumplicans, like Senator RonAnon Johnson of Wisconsin, who have read Russian propaganda into the Congressional Record.  Before Trump, the old school Republicans used to criticize Russia.  Today's Retrumplicans seem to love Vladimir Putin.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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4.1.9  al Jizzerror  replied to  Revillug @4.1.3    3 weeks ago
if I wanted to watch a "news" source, Fox"News"

Faux Noise is a comedy channel.

Sometimes it's fun to watch because it's an unintended parody of actual news.

512

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 weeks ago

So this article gave me a healthy dose of worry, so I was checking our bots, and we are fine. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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5.1  pat wilson  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 weeks ago

Hope so.

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 weeks ago

The thing that bugs me is the NYT finally gets to writing about it on the Sunday before the election on a Tuesday.

For an institution that is supposedly worried about the end of democracy, that is an awful lot like being a day late and a dollar short.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.1  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2    3 weeks ago
For an institution that is supposedly worried about the end of democracy, that is an awful lot like being a day late and a dollar short.

Maybe they really aren't afraid of the end of democracy because they know they are just pushing bullshit for the Democratic Party.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.2.2  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.1    3 weeks ago
Maybe they really aren't afraid of the end of democracy because they know they are just pushing bullshit for the Democratic Party.

Well, you might want to make up your mind about them, then. They are either a liberal paper or they are not.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.3  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.2.2    3 weeks ago
Well, you might want to make up your mind about them, then. They are either a liberal paper or they are not.

I have made my mind up about the Times. I do believe they are pretty liberal.

I think the point even Revillug was making is that they sure came to the party late about the death of democracy.  Remember that even the Times has advertisers and if they are too blatant about being left-leaning, it may backfire on them.

They can certainly be liberal and not believe democracy is dying if the GOP wins the midterms.

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2.4  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.3    3 weeks ago
I think the point even Revillug was making is that they sure came to the party late about the death of democracy. 

The New York Times has been beating the drum about Jan 6 and election deniers since Jan 7.

But somehow they let the Russian disinformation problem go without additional coverage after everyone got embarrassed by believing everything in the Steele Dossier was true. (The pee tape thing sure does sound in character but it was probably BS.)

I remember talking to people on Newsvine back in 2013 (or so) who had refined talking points about how the USA was backing a west leaning fascist party in Ukraine. (They made you feel that you were uninformed about US foreign policy and needed to read more.) Then in 2016 it turns out that Trump has a campaign manager who was previously helping Russian leaning candidates in Ukraine.

Russia has been playing a long game while the open societies in the west have simply been getting played.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.5  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.4    3 weeks ago
The New York Times has been beating the drum about Jan 6 and election deniers since Jan 7.

I'll take your word on that, but that isn't the same thing as claiming democracy is dying.

But somehow they let the Russian disinformation problem go without additional coverage after everyone got embarrassed by believing everything in the Steele Dossier was true.

Considering what we now know about the Steele Dossier, who funded it, who attempted to verify it, and what authorities found out early on about it, it makes it seem as though they were hoping it was true, which would help Democrats immensely.  Some of the media got played with the Steele Dossier.

(The pee tape thing sure does sound in character but it was probably BS.)

No doubt at all about it being BS.  In this day and age, and considering who the alleged subject was, not a snowball's chance in hell of it not having been made public by now,

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2.6  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.5    3 weeks ago
I'll take your word on that, but that isn't the same thing as claiming democracy is dying.

You are splitting hairs here.

People storming the Capitol to reverse an election result and people running for office to put themselves in key positions to overturn the next election result that they don't like is part of the same problem. And Russia supporting that same political party makes it even worse.

It's not just Russian trolls that show up on all the social media websites (except for this one, of course) that we have to worry about. It's the gazillion dollars Russia has been able to move into the west in order to influence our system. Russian oligarchs make a lot of friends in high places when they start buying luxury apartments in cities like New York and London.

When you start following the money, it's shocking how much Russian money has found its way to American politicians. It's probably harder to identify media personalities who are getting enriched by Russian dollars.   

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.7  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.6    3 weeks ago
You are splitting hairs here.

No, I am saying that there clearly is a difference between democracy dying (as is claimed) and reporting on January 6 events.

unning for office to put themselves in key positions to overturn the next election result that they don't like

Mere speculation, fed by much of the media, and it looks like you have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

Personally, I think folks put way to much stock into this Russian nonsense.  Been doing it since the first false claims of Russia/Trump collusion.

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2.8  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.7    3 weeks ago
Mere speculation, fed by much of the media, and it looks like you have bought into it hook, line, and sinker.

I think you are the one that needs a better media diet.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.8    3 weeks ago
I think you are the one that needs a better media diet.

Why? Because I refuse to go along with ignorant group-think about Russia, Russia, Russia?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.10  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.8    3 weeks ago

Okay, I will read a link you provide where someone claims they are running to overthrow elections they don't like the results of.

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2.11  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.10    3 weeks ago
Okay, I will read a link you provide where someone claims they are running to overthrow elections they don't like the results of.

Where Republican election deniers are on the ballot near you

What's keeping democracy experts up most at night? An overturned election Analysis: Amid all the voting changes in state laws, giving more power to partisan officials to overturn an election is at the top of the list of concerns.

And for God's sake, some elected officials already tried to overturn the LAST presidential election.

While people were breaking into the Capitol elected members of congress were objecting to slates of electoral college delegates.

I mean, seriously, don't watch FOX all day and then think it's other people who have been brainwashed.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.11    3 weeks ago

Your WP link is a list of names. Not what I asked for and doesn't address your claim about people running for office to put themselves in key positions to overturn the next election result that they don't like. Maybe a different source could possibly support your claim.

Your NBC link talks a lot about various laws and presents some doomsday predictions, but doesn't support your claim either.

I mean, seriously, don't watch FOX all day and then think it's other people who have been brainwashed.

I don't but find it mildly amusing you seem to think I do when you don't watch Fox and don't really know one damn thing I watch!

 
 
 
Revillug
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5.2.13  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.12    3 weeks ago
Not what I asked

To paraphrase Baldwin, I'm not your short order cook.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.2.14  Texan1211  replied to  Revillug @5.2.13    3 weeks ago
To paraphrase Baldwin, I'm not your short order cook.

No, you are not.

Nor are you exhibiting any ability to answer or supply anything to back your claim up,.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.15  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.5    3 weeks ago
Considering what we now know about the Steele Dossier, who funded it,

The Steele Dossier was initially funded by one of Trump's Republican primary opponents (Marco Rubio).  Then a legal firm sold it to a backer of Hillary Clinton.

The Trump Dossier: What We Know and Who Paid for It

Who paid for it?

During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon , a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Mr. Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016, as Mr. Trump was clinching the Republican nomination .

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.16  Sean Treacy  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.15    3 weeks ago

ele Dossier was initially funded by one of Trump's Republican primary opponents (Marco Rubio)

How many time are you going to repeat that lie?  Try and understand your own link for starters. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.17  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.16    3 weeks ago
How many time are you going to repeat that lie?

Derp.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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5.2.18  Sean Treacy  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.17    3 weeks ago
Derp.

Lol. Don't be so hard on yourself.  So you've embarrassed yourself by repeating a debunked lie from 5 years ago and then didn't understand your own link.   

That's okay!  Tomorrow's a new day and the more you read, the better you'll get at it! 

 
 
 
George
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5.2.19  George  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.17    3 weeks ago

I felt the same way when I read the lie you posted and that anyone would still try to pass that bullshit off as fact.

For those that are still interested in the truth.

The opposition research conducted by Fusion GPS on Donald Trump was in two distinct operations, each with a different client. The first research operation, from October 2015 to May 2016, was domestic research funded by The Washington Free Beacon . The second operation, from April 2016 to December 2016, was funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign . Only the second operation involved the foreign research that produced the dossier. [48] [49] From April 2016 into early May, the Washington Free Beacon and the Clinton Campaign/DNC were independently both clients of Fusion GPS.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.20  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.2.18    3 weeks ago

DERP.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.21  al Jizzerror  replied to  George @5.2.19    3 weeks ago
The opposition research conducted by Fusion GPS on Donald Trump was in two distinct operations, each with a different client. The first research operation, from October 2015 to May 2016, was domestic research funded by The Washington Free Beacon .

The Washington Free Beacon is a conservative website.  It was funded by Marco Rubio.  You called it "the first research operation".  I said, it "was initially funded by one of Trump's Republican primary opponents (Marco Rubio)."

I did NOT lie.  I also added the link to the site that published the material I quoted.

You plagiarized your paragraph from Wikipedia.  You didn't even to use quotation marks.

Fuck off.

DERP!

 
 
 
George
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5.2.22  George  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.2.21    3 weeks ago

Sure you did, the article clearer stated the dossier was no part of the original group and solely funded by the Clinton campaign. 
and what you wrote was this.

The Steele Dossier was initially funded by one of Trump's Republican primary opponents (Marco Rubio)

and that is a lie. Do fuck off!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
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5.2.23  al Jizzerror  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.7    3 weeks ago
Personally, I think folks put way to much stock into this Russian nonsense.  Been doing it since the first false claims of Russia/Trump collusion.

Russians have a long history of election meddling.  Putin's buddy just admitted to interfering in US elections.

A Putin Ally Says Russia is Interfering in the Midterms

Yevgeny Prigozhin, a prominent businessman who founded a private mercenary force closely linked to the Kremlin, posted a sardonic statement about election meddling.

    • Nov. 7, 2022

With alarm over foreign manipulation of the U.S. midterm elections swirling ahead of Tuesday’s vote, an influential Russian businessman and close associate of President Vladimir V. Putin sardonically boasted on Monday that Russia was interfering in the election.

“Gentlemen, we have interfered, we do interfere and we will interfere,” the businessman, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin , known as “Putin’s Chef,” said in a statement posted by his catering company in response to a question from a Russian news outlet. “We will do it carefully, precisely, surgically as we are capable of doing it. During our targeted operations, we will remove both kidneys and liver at once.”

RIA Novosti, a Russian state-owned news agency, described the comments as ironic. But Mr. Prigozhin — the founder of a shadowy mercenary force closely linked to the Kremlin — has been accused of being deeply involved in such operations. In 2018, he was indicted by the United States in a case involving the troll factory that spearheaded Russian efforts to meddle in the 2016 elections in the United States.

Last year, the F.B.I. also put Mr. Prigozhin on its most-wanted list and the U.S. Treasury placed him under sanctions for organizing disinformation campaigns in elections in Asia, Europe and Africa. The U.S. government imposed additional sanctions on Mr. Prigozhin in March, shortly after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

A U.S. State Department spokesman, Ned Price, called Mr. Prigozhin’s comments “a bold confession.”

“If anything, it appears to be just a manifestation of the impunity that crooks and cronies enjoy under President Putin and the Kremlin,” he said during a briefing Monday afternoon in Washington. He added that it was clear that a person of Mr. Prigozhin’s stature would not be in a position to make such claims unless “the Kremlin, at some level” didn’t approve.

In late September, Mr. Prigozhin acknowledged that he was the founder of the Wagner Group , the private military force that has fought on Russia’s side in the war in Ukraine. Its fighters have also been deployed in support of the Kremlin’s military campaigns in Africa and the Middle East , occasionally doing battle against U.S. forces.

Researchers have detected a new, though more concentrated, campaign by Russia to try to influence Tuesday’s midterm elections . They said that the goal, as in previous U.S. elections, has been to empower angry conservative voters with the aim of undermining faith in American democracy. And, at a time when soaring energy prices and inflation threaten to dent support for the war, the campaign also appears intent on undermining the Biden administration’s extensive financial and military support for Ukraine in the face of Russian aggression.

The campaign — using accounts that pose as enraged Americans — has specifically targeted Democratic candidates in the most heated races, including the Senate seats being contested in Ohio, Arizona and Pennsylvania. The calculation appears to be that a Republican majority in the Senate and the House of Representatives could dent American support for the war in Ukraine.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.3  Texan1211  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5    3 weeks ago
So this article gave me a healthy dose of worry, so I was checking our bots, and we are fine. 

That will be mighty disappointing to a few who insist there are Russian bots here!

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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6  Jeremy Retired in NC    3 weeks ago
The account was previously linked to the same secretive Russian agency that interfered in the 2016 presidential election and again in 2020, 

Wait!  The left has been telling us there was no interference with the 2020 election.  Maybe that should be investigated like it was in 2016...

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7  Right Down the Center    3 weeks ago

Seems like the liberals are getting their excuses ready for the red wave coming. After all if they don't have their excuses they may be forced to look in the mirror.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @7    3 weeks ago

If there is a red wave it will be because of the stupidity of MAGA and the submissiveness of the mainstream media. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.1.1  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 weeks ago

It will be because of the 2 years of far left radical policies.

 
 
 
Nowhere Man
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7.1.2  Nowhere Man  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 weeks ago
If there is a red wave it will be because of the stupidity of MAGA and the submissiveness of the mainstream media. 

John remember that famous line issued for a political favorite of yours?

"It's the Economy Stupid"

Remember that?

what has happened over the last two years is the democrats took our economy which was growing at a rate that hadn't been seen in 40 years, and turned it around to where it the worst in the last 40 years... And it took all of a year to do that and everything they are claiming to have done is only deepening it...

This election is a referendum on liberal democrat economic policies... we went from one of the greatest economies we had ever seen to one of the worst in the space of a year...

The result of economic policies between the two sides is stark and vivid and cannot be sluffed off on the other side...

And the people are about to decide which side they like better...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Nowhere Man @7.1.2    3 weeks ago
what has happened over the last two years is the democrats took our economy which was growing at a rate that hadn't been seen in 40 years, and turned it around to where it the worst in the last 40 years... And it took all of a year to do that and everything they are claiming to have done is only deepening it...

Delusional. When Joe Biden took office unemployment was over 6 percent and the GDP was dead in the water. That is what the pandemic did to the economy, during Trumps last year. Wasnt Trumps fault but what Biden was handed, which was terrible, wasnt his fault either. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1    3 weeks ago

Excellent. Keep up that narrative. I am sure it will help in 2024.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Right Down the Center @7.1.4    3 weeks ago

Do you want me to lie for MAGA? Not gonna happen. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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7.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @7.1.5    3 weeks ago

I thought I made it clear. I want you to do exactly what you are doing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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7.2  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @7    3 weeks ago
Seems like the liberals are getting their excuses ready for the red wave coming.

Of course they are.

What else can they do--run on their records? LOL!

It will always be the media's fault, or stupid voters' fault, or a messaging problem, or people not buying Democrats' bs fault. 

The only things it will never be is a Democrat's fault for shitty handling of the border, immigration, crime, or inflation.

 
 
 
independent Liberal
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7.2.1  independent Liberal  replied to  Texan1211 @7.2    3 weeks ago
he only things it will never be is a Democrat's fault for shitty handling of the border, immigration, crime, or inflation.

To be fair a Republican Congress under Donald Trump did not a thing about the border. Republicans have no desire to do anything about it because they want the cheap labor, they want you to think they care and you believe them. The joke is on the Republican voter.

Inflation? Republicans and Democrats were largely unified during the lockdowns, the inflation is in part supply issues and various other issues that resulted from poor decision making.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.2.2  Ender  replied to  independent Liberal @7.2.1    3 weeks ago

I am one of those people with my own beliefs about the border.

Imo it cannot or will not ever be 'fixed'.

People will come here as long as their lot in life is in a bad place. Until that is fixed people will continue to leave their homelands.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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7.2.3  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  independent Liberal @7.2.1    3 weeks ago
Republicans have no desire to do anything about it because they want the cheap labor

Why do Dems not do anything about the border, what do they want?

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
7.2.4  devangelical  replied to  independent Liberal @7.2.1    3 weeks ago
Republicans have no desire to do anything about it because they want the cheap labor, they want you to think they care and you believe them. The joke is on the Republican voter.

that same trope has worked on texas dipshits for the last 100 years at election time...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.2.5  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  devangelical @7.2.4    3 weeks ago
that same trope

Are you sure that you know what trope means?

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
7.2.6  seeder  Revillug  replied to  independent Liberal @7.2.1    3 weeks ago
various other issues that resulted from poor decision making

It's worth acknowledging that some of those poor decisions were made in the private sector.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
7.2.7  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.5    3 weeks ago
trope a recurring theme or motif

Close enough. I think it's correct.

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
7.2.8  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.3    3 weeks ago
Why do Dems not do anything about the border, what do they want?

They may want future Democrats (but they might want to rethink their bet on that).

They probably fear backlash.

They probably fear backlash from both the left and the right. Immigrant enthusiast and immigrant non-enthusiast voters get worked up when anything definite is proposed.

    

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
7.2.9  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Revillug @7.2.7    3 weeks ago
trope a recurring theme or motif as in literature or art
the trope of motherhood;
the heroic trope.

Yea, devangelical is a real artist of literature. 

 
 
 
Revillug
Freshman Guide
7.2.10  seeder  Revillug  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @7.2.9    3 weeks ago

If Republican politics isn't performance art, nothing is.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
8  Drinker of the Wry    3 weeks ago

You think that devangelical is a repub?

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
Junior Expert
8.1  al Jizzerror  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8    3 weeks ago
You think that devangelical is a repub?

Dev is far too intelligent to be a Retrumplican.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
8.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  al Jizzerror @8.1    3 weeks ago

The question was what Revillug thought.

 
 

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