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Florida Principal Out After Viewing Of Michelangelo's 'David' Upsets Parents | HuffPost Latest News

  

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Florida Principal Out After Viewing Of Michelangelo's 'David' Upsets Parents | HuffPost Latest News
One parent reportedly called the masterpiece "pornographic."

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The principal of Florida's Tallahassee Classical School is out of a job after parents complained that their sixth-grade children were shown Michelangelo's 16th century "David" sculpture, with one parent calling it "pornographic," the Tallahassee Democrat first reported.

The now-former principal, Hope Carrasquilla, told HuffPost the situation was also "a little more complicated than that," noting that the usual protocol is to send parents a letter before students are shown such classical artwork.

Due to "a series of miscommunications," the letter did not go out to the sixth-grade parents, and some complained, Carrasquilla said.

One parent was "point-blank upset," Carrasquilla continued, and "felt her child should not be viewing those pieces."

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The board of the charter school decided Monday to give the principal the choice to resign or be fired after less than a year in the job. She was the school's third principal since it opened in the fall of 2020, per the Tallahassee Democrat.

The move comes as conservatives in Florida and elsewhere battle to step up their input in primary education.

Michelangelo's marble sculpture of the Biblical figure David was crafted between 1501 and 1504, originally commissioned for an Italian cathedral. It now resides at the Galleria dell'Accademia in Florence.

Carrasquilla said she had taught in classical education for a decade and knew that "once in a while you get a parent who gets upset about Renaissance art" — hence the letter. She was not surprised by the reaction from the school board chair, Barney Bishop, but the fact that other board members went along with him was unexpected.

In a call with HuffPost, Bishop emphasized that the nude sculpture incident was one of multiple issues with Carrasquilla. He declined to go into specifics, citing advice from the school's employment lawyers.

Bishop explained he was lobbying for legislation that would give parents even more input in primary education.

"Parental rights trump everything else," Bishop said. He added that the pandemic's remote teaching gave parents a clearer window into their children's education and prompted some to choose schools like Tallahassee Classical.

"They didn't like the woke indoctrination that was going on," he said.

Bishop accused Carrasquilla of trying to "gin up a lot of publicity" by sharing her experience.

Carrasquilla said many other parents and faculty members were upset about her ouster and have been reaching out with support.

The Tallahassee school is a public charter institution that focuses on classical learning, a teaching philosophy centered on a traditional Western liberal arts education that aims to impart critical thinking skills children can use throughout their lives. Classical learning is also popular within the Christian homeschooling movement.

The Tallahassee Classical School is affiliated with Hillsdale College, a conservative Christian institution that has sought to expand its influence over the last decade by helping set up public charter schools. Hillsdale briefly cut ties with the Tallahassee school in early 2022 for not meeting improvement standards, but it later regained affiliation.

Hillsdale has raised funds for the charter school network by pledging to fight "leftist" and "distorted" teaching of American history, such as the lessons about slavery contained in The New York Times' 1619 Project, the newspaper reported last year.

"We don't use pronouns," Bishop said. "We don't teach CRT and we don't ever mention 1619 — those are not appropriate subjects for our kids."


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JBB
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1  seeder  JBB    last year

This is what nonsense comes from the gop's stupid culture war...

original

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JBB @1    last year

I thought that he used a slingshot.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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1.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.1    last year

That would be what he has over his shoulder...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
1.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    last year

Perhaps JBB thought he needed an additional weapon.

 
 
 
MonsterMash
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1.1.3  MonsterMash  replied to  Split Personality @1.1.1    last year

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Vic Eldred
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1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  JBB @1    last year

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Kavika
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2  Kavika     last year
The Tallahassee Classical School is affiliated with Hillsdale College,

That pretty much says it all.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.1  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @2    last year

...and that it is close to the seat of power in Florida....

Is this really an issue, or is it, like so many other political ideas, just ginned up to make people have an opinion?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.1  CB  replied to  Thomas @2.1    last year
"We don't use pronouns," Bishop said. "We don't teach CRT and we don't ever mention 1619 — those are not appropriate subjects for our kids."

There it is! Some conservatives are 'policing' educational formats and the classics neat to beware! Because some conservatives are 'coming for the classics' now! Can anyone see how repressive Florida is becoming? 

What I want to know: Can any member living in Florida feel the repression blanketing the state (yet)?

BTW, my opinion, of pornography and obscenity is it is an item or a thing which has not been known to be acceptable in this country without age limit requirements, not artwork on display for protracted periods of time and accessible to our generations (who can no longer wash it out of their minds o unsee it).

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.2  CB  replied to  Thomas @2.1    last year

It is conservative over-reach. Put another way, this is a form of conservatives 'backlash' for losing confederate statutes recently.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
2.1.3  CB  replied to  Thomas @2.1    last year

BTW, Thomas! Thomas! Thomas!  Is back! :) :)  :)

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2.1.4  Kavika   replied to  Thomas @2.1    last year

Hi Thomas, good to see you again. 

It is close to the seat of power and it seems another example of the bizarre path that Florida is heading.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
3  JohnRussell    last year

The nude human body is not pornography. Pornography is a media depiction of sexual acts. 

Even dumbasses know that. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @3    last year

I’m surprised that liberals aren’t bemoaning school children being shown religious artwork created by a white, male European.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    last year

Italians weren't considered to be white at the time of Michealangelo and his portraits suggest strong Mediterranean lineage other than what we now consider to be "white European".

I understood this to be true after finishing historian David R. Roediger’s  Working Toward Whiteness , a book about how new immigrants became white. Between 1886 and 1925, 13 million new immigrants came from southern, eastern and central Europe. Up until that point, people considered white generally hailed from England, the Netherlands, Ireland, Germany and Scandinavian countries. Roediger, a professor at University of Illinois, argues that new immigrants, until they were fully brought into the white family, lived in a state of in-betweeness, meaning they were placed in a racial pecking order below whites but above people of color. White immigrants weren’t always considered white — and acceptable (andscape.com)

 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.2  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    last year

Your link is about the late 19th and early 20th centuries, not when Michelangelo lived or today.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Guide
3.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1.2    last year

Here, one about the birth of whiteness and it's relevance to African slavery

and justification of caste systems in White Nations like the English French & Dutch.

The invention of whiteness: the long history of a dangerous idea | Race | The Guardian

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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3.1.4  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.3    last year

Yes, I’ve read similar articles and think that they are accurate.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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3.1.5  Thrawn 31  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3.1    last year

The work is a masterpiece if not for the image, but the sheer time and dedication that went into it. The multiple disciplines one had to have mastered in order to create that are beyond most people. The David is truly a Human treasure. 

Fuck anyone who takes "offense" to it. 

But this "parents choice" in action. Parents are fucking idiots, hence why most of them are not teachers. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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3.1.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Thrawn 31 @3.1.5    last year
Fuck anyone who takes "offense" to it. 

Interesting that many people feel the same way about people that take offense when people don't want to call them their gender of the day.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    last year

Charlie Sykes told his podcast audience yesterday that this was the plot of an episode of the Simpsons long ago. 

Claim:
In a 1990 episode, "The Simpsons" predicted future real-life campaigns to censor and cover up replicas of Michelangelo's "David" statue.
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The episode in question did show a campaign to censor and cover up the male figure's genitals in Michelangelo's "David," and the show did air in 1990, years before several real-life campaigns to similarly censor replicas of the statue.

What's False Michelangelo's "David," and replicas of it, have been covered up, and been the subject of censorship campaigns, ever since the statue was first unveiled in Florence in the early 16th century. The show's writers didn't so much "predict" such campaigns, as satirize previous ones, which happened to be replicated in the years since the episode aired.
 
 
 
Snuffy
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4.1  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @4    last year

I do believe the Simpsons lifted the idea for that episode from the Vatican's "Fig Leaf" campaign.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5  Split Personality    last year
One parent was "point-blank upset," Carrasquilla continued, and "felt her child should not be viewing those pieces."

Just guessing that this woman could not pick her husband's genitals out of a lineup. /S

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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5.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @5    last year

Who knows, this David wasn’t snipped.  Maybe he wasn’t really Jewish.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.2  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @5    last year

david obviously left her feeling short changed in life...

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
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6  Thrawn 31    last year

Apparently these parents don't actually live in Florida. Go to Miami for a night. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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7  Buzz of the Orient    last year
"Bishop explained he was lobbying for legislation that would give parents even more input in primary education."

He's aiming to make sure that the kids would not be more educated or worldly than their parents.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
7.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @7    last year

I think one problem is that maturity appears to be waning rather than increasing.  Maybe there is some other kind of virus that puts a governor (as in car motors) on growing up mentally. 

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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8  Hal A. Lujah    last year

I hope they never go to Europe then.  Funny how cultures that are ten times older than ours have never had the prudeness issues that our juvenile snowflake culture does.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
8.1  devangelical  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @8    last year

europe, where catholic priests are married with children...

 
 
 
Kavika
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9  Kavika     last year

512

The nuns don't have a problem with the statue of David as can be seen with them taking a selfie.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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9.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @9    last year

It is a religious statue......

snicker snicker snicker

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.1.1  devangelical  replied to  Trout Giggles @9.1    last year

go figure, huh?

 
 
 
devangelical
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9.2  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @9    last year

my favorite commercial client was a nun. she was hip, hilarious, and wasn't fond of priests at all...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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10  Buzz of the Orient    last year
Cecilie Hollberg, director of the Galleria dell'Accademia, where the David resides, expressed astonishment at the controversy.

"To think that David could be pornographic means truly not understanding the contents of the Bible, not understanding Western culture and not understanding Renaissance art," Hollberg said in a telephone interview.

LINK->

The Europeans must really laugh at the Americans' childishness.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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10.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @10    last year
The Europeans must really laugh at the Americans' childishness.

I agree, every time we add another gender the rest of the world shakes their heads and laughs.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
11  Kavika     last year

512

 
 
 
devangelical
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11.1  devangelical  replied to  Kavika @11    last year

put some maga boxers on him...

 
 
 
JBB
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11.1.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  devangelical @11.1    last year

original

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.2  devangelical  replied to  JBB @11.1.1    last year

that's still borderline for thumpers...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1.3  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @11.1.2    last year

but seeing underoos on that statue would probably cause a lot of tennis elbow injuries for rwnj's...

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.2  CB  replied to  Kavika @11    last year

Awww git it gurl! Thou name is Davída Couture Fabulosio. Well I declare!

On a serious note: What is the history/reason for this statute of David being 'bare' by Michelangelo? Anybody know?

 
 
 
JBB
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11.2.1  seeder  JBB  replied to  CB @11.2    last year

original

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
11.2.2  CB  replied to  CB @11.2    last year

I know now. It was the Renaissance and nudity (in art) was popular.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
11.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JBB @11.2.1    last year

They turned him into a Ken doll!

 
 
 
Thomas
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11.3  Thomas  replied to  Kavika @11    last year

Great.

"Shouldn't he have some clothes on? No! Wait, Now I will really have to arrest you."

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
11.3.1  evilone  replied to  Thomas @11.3    last year
Shouldn't he have some clothes on?

He's clearly wearing a MAGA Emperor's Suit.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
12  seeder  JBB    last year

original

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
12.1  CB  replied to  JBB @12    last year

Oh no you "di'int"!  What we are doing to 'defame' David might be against the law! Where are the lawyers when you need counsel?

 
 
 
Thomas
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12.2  Thomas  replied to  JBB @12    last year

Really should be facing the other direction.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
13  Gsquared    last year

When we visited Florence, we went to the Galleria dell'Accademia to see their collection, especially "David".  At our first sight of "David", both my wife and I were overwhelmed by how magnificent it is and we were left practically speechless.  It is truly one of the greatest achievements in cultural history.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Junior Expert
14  Drinker of the Wry    last year

My wife and I felt the same.  An astonishing sculpture, even if it was done by a white European. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Expert
15  Buzz of the Orient    last year

IMO THIS is what's pornographic:

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and this....

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Hal A. Lujah
Professor Guide
16  Hal A. Lujah    last year

Those who are offended by David are likely the same men who are terrified of a trans man in the men’s room that might catch a glimpse of their micropenis.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
Professor Expert
17  sandy-2021492    last year

I wonder if they get as upset when they see balls dangling from a pickup truck's hitch.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
17.1  devangelical  replied to  sandy-2021492 @17    last year

... that's way different. everbody knoz trucks don't have no balls...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
17.1.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @17.1    last year

... just like their goober drivers.

 
 

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