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Trump documents case dismissed by federal judge - CBS News

  

Category:  News & Politics

Via:  jbb  •  4 months ago  •  213 comments

By:   Melissa Quinn (CBSPolitics)

Trump documents case dismissed by federal judge - CBS News
U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon granted Trump's bid to dismiss the indictment.

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T


By Melissa Quinn

Updated on: July 15, 2024 / 10:08 AM EDT / CBS News

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Washington — The federal judge overseeing the case alleging former President Donald Trump mishandled sensitive government documents after leaving the White House has dismissed the charges against him and his two codefendants.

U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon said in a 93-page order that she has granted Trump's bid to dismiss the indictment based on the unlawful funding and appointment of special counsel Jack Smith, who brought the charges against the former president.

The former president faced 40 charges stemming from his handling of documents marked classified after leaving office and allegedly obstructing the Justice Department's investigation.

The dismissal of the case caps a stunning weekend for the former president, who was the target of an assassination attempt during a rally in Butler County, Pennsylvania. Trump said a bullet grazed his ear while he was addressing the crowd of his supporters. The gunman, identified by the FBI as 20-year-old Thomas Matthew Crooks, was killed by Secret Service.

Trump is poised to formally accept the Republican presidential nomination at the party's convention in Milwaukee, which kicks off Monday.

Melissa Quinn

Melissa Quinn is a politics reporter for CBSNews.com. She has written for outlets including the Washington Examiner, Daily Signal and Alexandria Times. Melissa covers U.S. politics, with a focus on the Supreme Court and federal courts.


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JBB
Professor Principal
1  seeder  JBB    4 months ago

original

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1  squiggy  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

Is that what Teflar would look like?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @1.1    4 months ago

Do you mean teflon?

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.1.2  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.1    4 months ago
Do you mean teflon?

If I had meant Teflon I would have spelled it that way. From the context of the speculative wording and the spelling of Teflar I presumed that a person of average intelligence, along with some life experience, would recognize it as a hybrid bullet-proof, non-stick coating. I'm sorry for your confusion.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

"based on the unlawful funding and appointment of special counsel Jack Smith, who brought the charges against the former president."

Aww, what a bummer. Looks like Trump is home free, and no amount of memes can change that reality.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

What the fuck? [removed] [] I really think it was a staged false flag attack.

See how he didn't visit the families of others who died or were injured? He went golfing.

Something needs to be done about 'judge' cannon.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
1.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 months ago
I really think it was a staged false flag attack.

Any proof at all?  Maybe you should call 1 800 Call FBI with the information.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 months ago

You might watch this clip in its entirety. might change your mind, but I doubt it. And no, he was not able to visit the other victims, nor did he go golfing.

Bloodied Person Carried Away From Stands Following Shooting at Trump Rally (youtube.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.2    4 months ago

I did, you apparently did not.

Did you see then when all the ss agents hefted his ample fat pig body -  he gave a Nazi salute and fist pump and mouthed 'fight, fight, fight' to the maga cult and as the whale was being hefted out he did it again

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.2    4 months ago

So his ear got clipped by a piece of the teleprompter?  That's why he can't visit the families?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.3.5  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.3    4 months ago

If you say so Tess. No point in trying to reason with a closed mind.

There is actually a picture of the bullet in midair.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.5    4 months ago

Doesn't mean it hit the fat pig - it hit the teleprompter and a piece of it maybe hit the fat pig's ear but not a bullet.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.5    4 months ago

True - magats minds are closed to the truth.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
1.3.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.5    4 months ago

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Yep..................

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
1.3.9  Trout Giggles  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 months ago

I don;t think it was a false flag op. I don't know why it happened but I won't say it's a false flag

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.9    4 months ago

I won't disagree, maybe I've been a bit foolish with the teleprompter remarks and false flag comments - but I do think there is more here than meets the eye.  

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
1.3.11  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.4    4 months ago
That's why he can't visit the families?

Has Joe Biden visited the families? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @1.3.11    4 months ago

Why would or should he do that?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.3.13  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.12    4 months ago

He wasn't one of the attendees at the rally.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.3.14  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.3    4 months ago
I really think it was a staged false flag attack.

Based on WHAT?

Somehow they got some yahoo convinced to basically commit suicide, and another to be willing to die protecting his family, and somehow the Secret Service went along with this alleged scam?

Do you have ANY evidence to support this bizarre theory/conspiracy nonsense?

Something needs to be done about 'judge' cannon.

You should file a complaint!

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.14    4 months ago
I really think it was a staged false flag attack.

BlueAnon is pushing this.  Trump handled it too well so it had to be fake. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.15    4 months ago
BlueAnon is pushing this.  Trump handled it too well so it had to be fake. 

IMO, anyone who could believe this was staged is missing a few screws.  Not the brightest bulb. Not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Flat out crazy.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
1.3.17  Sean Treacy  replied to  Texan1211 @1.3.16    4 months ago

Lots of overlap with people who think Smollett was attacked by MAGA in Chicago. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.17    4 months ago
Lots of overlap with people who think Smollett was attacked by MAGA in Chicago. 

The same ones who think a high school kid was disrespectful to an Indian because he just stood there while the Indian antagonized and tried to provoke him, the same who insist Zimmerman and Rittenhouse were murderers, the same ones who think every protest was "peaceful" until some mythical right wing agitators made the crowd loot and burn?

I consider those folks highly gullible.

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
1.3.19  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.10    4 months ago
I've been a bit foolish with the teleprompter remarks and false flag comments[]

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
1.3.20  arkpdx  replied to  Tessylo @1.3.12    4 months ago

Because he is the president and it was his secret service that screwed up. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.3.21  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @1.3.5    4 months ago

Some people are not out in left field with their comments, they're in the next county over!

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
1.4  devangelical  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

meh, who didn't see this coming...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.5  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

Unfuckingbelievable.  Why is no one looking into this traitor bitch cannon's finances?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.5.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.5    4 months ago

Why do you think she is a traitor? For following the Constitution and the law?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.5.1    4 months ago

Traitor bitch shredded the Constitution.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
1.5.3  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @1.5.2    4 months ago

In what way? Please explain.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.5.4  Tessylo  replied to  Greg Jones @1.5.3    4 months ago

Or was it jello today?

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
1.5.5  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @1.5    4 months ago
Why is no one looking into this traitor bitch cannon's finances?

A special prosecutor?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
1.5.6  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @1.5.5    4 months ago

Appointed by who?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
1.5.7  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @1.5    4 months ago
Why is no one looking into this traitor bitch cannon's finances?

Why aren't you?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
1.5.8  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @1.5.2    4 months ago

[] Everyone is allowed equal protection under the law; including the entire appeals process.

[] Either the law applies equally to everyone or no one.[]

 
 
 
Nerm_L
Professor Expert
1.6  Nerm_L  replied to  JBB @1    4 months ago

That's appropriate attire -- for Wisconsin.  Packers fans always were al little different.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
2  George    4 months ago

This is going to leave a mark. Sorry Garland, man up and file the charges yourself or turn tail and run you little bitch.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
3  Drinker of the Wry    4 months ago

Luckiest candidate ever.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
3.1  Ronin2  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @3    4 months ago

A lucky candidate wouldn't have had the charges filed in the first place.

Or make that a Democrat candidate wouldn't have had the charges filed in the first place.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
4  Ronin2    4 months ago

Expect Democrats/leftists and their media shills to be howling 24/7 over this ruling.

She made her ruling based on the Constitution and Law; not Democrat/leftist desire to get Trump at all costs. 

Considering Bill, Hillary, Obama, and Biden have all be let off for far more serious infractions of mishandling classified documents- charges never should have been filed in the first place. 

Democrats will continue with their lawfare. It is their only chance of winning at this point. Even if they destroy the country in the process by imprisoning Trump. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
4.1  Texan1211  replied to  Ronin2 @4    4 months ago
Expect Democrats/leftists and their media shills to be howling 24/7 over this ruling.

They are ALWAYS howling about one thing or another. Ho hum.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5  Robert in Ohio    4 months ago

Our friends on the left are just going to hate the fact that the constitution got in way.

Garland should either issue a federal warrant for Trump's arrest on the charges of mishandling of classified documents and other crimes that are alleged or the DOJ should just drop the matter

Man up Mr. Attorney General!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    4 months ago

Okay [removed][]

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.1.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 months ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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5.1.2  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Right Down the Center @5.1.1    4 months ago

Protect the gum drop buttons...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    4 months ago

It appears Cannon wipes her bought and paid for ass with the Constitution.

So I've got you down for a vote for the former 'president' convicted felon and rapist.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.2.1  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @5.2    4 months ago

[]

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.2.2  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.2    4 months ago

Did you read the article upon which the decision was based?[]

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.2.3  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.2    4 months ago

Tessy

At least read the appointments clause

Article II, Section 2, Clause 2:

He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.

Overview of the Appointments Clause | U.S. Constitution Annotated | US Law | LII / Legal Information Institute (cornell.edu)

Whether her ruling is overturned by higher courts or not, it is based on a clear reading of the constitution

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.2.3    4 months ago

No, not at all.  She is obstructing justice.  Fuck her.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.2.5  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    4 months ago

Nonsense

She made a ruling based on her interpretation of a clause of the constitution (provided above)

That's what judges do!

Whether that interpretation holds up on appeal is to be seen

But to think she is guilty of obstruction of justice is ludicrous.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.4    4 months ago
She is obstructing justice.

if such a claim is made, the person claiming it should be able to explain how she is doing that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.7  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.2.5    4 months ago

Okay, have the last word

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.2.8  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.7    4 months ago

A person who is speaking the truth should have the last word, it is nice of you to acknowledge that I am correct and allow e the last word.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.9  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.2.8    4 months ago

Now you can have the last word

Later

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.2.10  devangelical  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.2.3    4 months ago
it is based on a clear reading of the constitution

... thru a maga lense.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.11  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.2.5    4 months ago

She is guilty of obstruction of justice.  Plain and simple.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.2.12  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.2.10    4 months ago

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.2.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.2.11    4 months ago

You keep repeating this idea, but thus far have given no reason as to how she did this.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
5.2.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.13    4 months ago

And none forthcoming I fear..........

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.13    4 months ago

They have no answer so they resort  to being obnoxious and insulting rather than admit to the possibility that they could be wrong or be proven wrong, and then have the nerve to accuse others os PDD.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.2.16  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @5.2    4 months ago

You mean just like Juan Merchan does? Works both way.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    4 months ago

Cannon shredded the Constitution.

The Attorney General isn't the one who needs to man up. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    4 months ago
Cannon shredded the Constitution.

How did she do that?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
5.3.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.1    4 months ago

You can't get blood out of a turnip, if you get my drift.

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
5.3.3  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    4 months ago
Cannon shredded the Constitution.

The ruling was obvious for those that can read.  The defense that someone else appointed an illegal special consul has nothing to do with it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    4 months ago
Cannon shredded the Constitution.

Any proof, or just a generalized, incorrect statement attempting to pass off as fact?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @5.3.3    4 months ago

Obviously you can't read.  Traitor shredded the Constitution.  Bought and paid for by the Heritage Foundation I'm guessing.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.5    4 months ago
Traitor shredded the Constitution. 

So PROVE it instead of merely saying it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.7  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.5    4 months ago

Looks like one of my fans is back.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @5.3.3    4 months ago

What was illegal about it?

 
 
 
goose is back
Junior Guide
5.3.9  goose is back  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.8    4 months ago
What was illegal about it?

According to Meese, Smith was not appointed in accordance with the constitutional process, which requires such appointments to be made by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

The Legal Framework for Appointments

Meese’s brief stresses that the establishment of federal offices, such as the special counsel, must be grounded in law. This position is based on the principle that only Congress has the authority to create federal offices. Meese asserts that the Department of Justice, part of the executive branch, lacks the power to unilaterally create these positions.

Constitutional Violations

The crux of Meese’s argument lies in the violation of the Appointments Clause of the Constitution. He contends that the statutes Attorney General Merrick Garland relied upon to appoint Smith do not permit the creation of a special counsel role at the level of U.S. attorneys. Therefore, Smith’s appointment and subsequent actions, including prosecuting Trump, are deemed illegitimate.

The Role of Special Counsel

The amicus brief delves deeper into the nature of the special counsel’s position. Meese argues that even if the office of special counsel were valid, Smith would qualify as a principal or superior officer. This designation necessitates an appointment by the President and Senate confirmation, criteria Smith fails to meet.

Implications of Smith’s Actions

Meese’s argument highlights a crucial aspect of Smith’s role. Rather than assisting U.S. attorneys as a supportive figure, Smith has assumed the role of a powerful, standalone officer. This position, Meese argues, aligns more closely with that of an independent counsel, a role no longer recognized in law.

Former AG Ed Meese Argues Jack Smith is ILLEGITIMATE in Appeals Court Amicus Filing — Robert Gouveia

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.10  Tessylo  replied to  goose is back @5.3.9    4 months ago

None of this is true.  She is obstructing justice.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.11  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.10    4 months ago
She is obstructing justice.

Prove it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.10    4 months ago
None of this is true. 

Prove it

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.13  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3    4 months ago

Nonsense

Cite a constitutional section to support your point

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
5.3.14  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.13    4 months ago

Why ask for the unattainable?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.15  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.13    4 months ago

No need.  She's a traitor.  Obstructing justice.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.16  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.15    4 months ago
Obstructing justice.

You keep repeating that but unsurprisingly have not provided anything to back that claim up.

 
 
 
cjcold
Professor Quiet
5.3.17  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.10    4 months ago

Since Ed Meese works for the Heritage Foundation, nothing he says can be trusted as being reality. Trump's document troubles are far from over.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.18  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @5.3.17    4 months ago
Since Ed Meese works for the Heritage Foundation, nothing he says can be trusted as being reality.

If he says the case has been dismissed, he would be 100% right!

That is reality.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
5.3.19  Ronin2  replied to  cjcold @5.3.17    4 months ago

You think Garland can pull together a case and get it in court and tried before the general election?

Wishful fucking thinking.

Charges never should have been filed after Bill, Hillary, Obama (took him over 3 damn years to return the documents- guess a 3 million dollar bribe to government officials goes a long way as way of a sorry. Or do you think it really costs 3 million dollars to transport documents from Chicago to DC?), and now Biden were allowed to walk away free and clear. Hillary (destruction of evidence and government property) and Biden (documents from the time he was both Senator and VP- that he knowingly shared with his ghost writer) had far more serious crimes that Trump; but funnily enough only Trump (and not even the ghost writer who also destroyed evidence in an attempt to obstruct justice) was charged.

Democrats and leftists have a real damn problem thinking the Constitution and laws only apply to who they say; and how they say. 

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.20  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.15    4 months ago

So you have no actual factual basis for your shouting, thanks for clarifying that point

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.21  Tessylo  replied to  cjcold @5.3.17    4 months ago

I trust nothing from both siders or the Heritage Foundation.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.3.22  Tessylo  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5.3.20    4 months ago

Okay you can have the last word here also.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
5.3.23  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.22    4 months ago

So you agree that you have no factual basis for the bile you are spewing about obstruction of justice[]

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
5.3.24  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.21    4 months ago
I trust nothing from both siders or the Heritage Foundation.

But you trusted the site that told you the Trump assassination attempt was a false flag thingy and that Trump wasn't grazed by a bullet, but instead cut from glass from a teleprompter?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.25  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.1    4 months ago

Because the judge disagreed.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.26  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.12    3 months ago

"Prove it"

Has not happened, not going to happen.

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
5.3.27  devangelical  replied to  Greg Jones @5.3.2    3 months ago
You can't get blood out of a turnip, if you get my drift.

keep a bic pen in the mailbox for that ballot, if you get my drift...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.28  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.15    3 months ago

"No need. She's a traitor. Obstructing justice."

But yet you steadfastly continue to refuse to say how despite repeatedly being  asked to back up that statement. 

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
5.3.29  Right Down the Center  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.3.26    3 months ago
Has not happened, not going to happen.

Never ever ever does happen

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.30  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Right Down the Center @5.3.29    3 months ago

But routinely accuses others of PDD.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
5.3.31  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @5.3.16    3 months ago

She has a feeling. Nothing else is needed./s

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
5.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Robert in Ohio @5    4 months ago
r friends on the left are just going to hate the fact that the constitution got in way.

I'm surprised progressives  aren't celebrating a Judge taking power away from the President. Seems like just a few days ago we were told the President is now a dictator and yet here we have a Court taking power from the Presidency and giving it to Congress . 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6  JohnRussell    4 months ago

American mainstream media has completely abdicated their role in the protection of democracy.  May God have mercy on the United States of America. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

American "independents" and "moderates" have also terribly let this country down. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 months ago

The media, the independents , and the moderates , have all combined to make Trump seem "normal"   and now we will all pay the price. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1    4 months ago

Alleged independents and moderates

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @6.1.2    4 months ago

Who are maga all the way.  They're not fooling anyone.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
6.1.4  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    4 months ago

Can you explain what you're talking about, since you're not providing any evidence or details to support your assertions.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.4    4 months ago

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Greg Jones
Professor Participates
6.1.6  Greg Jones  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.5    4 months ago

So you admit you can't and are just spouting nonsense.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    4 months ago

I totally disagree with that. If we had more independants and moderates we might have a more stable country. We might have 2 candidates that were worth supporting

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.8  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.7    4 months ago

The biggest threat to the country over the past 9 years is the "normalization" of Donald Trump. 

Independents and moderates, in large, have stood by and watched this "normalization".  Now the chickens are coming home to roost. 

Trump was NEVER fit to hold office, and that isnt even hard to prove.  Yet in 2016 the independents and moderates gave him " a chance"  instead of telling him "get the fuck out of here".  

The results have been disastrous. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.9  JohnRussell  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.6    4 months ago

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.1.10  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    4 months ago

Yes, the results have been disastrous by I think they woke up and have seen the error of their ways. Biden did win in 2020, did he not?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
6.1.11  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @6.1.6    4 months ago

6.1.5 is JR's way of telling you he is spitting nonsense.  It's usually followed by some kind of personal attack.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
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6.1.12  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    4 months ago
The results have been disastrous. 

Yep, his name is Joe

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
6.1.13  JohnRussell  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.10    4 months ago

Trump is being normalized by the media as we speak. I dont see any particular effort by independents and moderates to prevent it. Other than the "never trumpers".

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
6.1.14  Right Down the Center  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.13    4 months ago
I dont see any particular effort by independents and moderates to prevent it.

Why would an independent do anything but let the parties give them their "best" and then decide who to vote for?  

Why would a moderate help prevent a party from nominating who they want?  Why would a moderate do anything to help a brain dead LWNJ that is so far left the moderates can't even see him?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.15  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.14    4 months ago
Why would an independent do anything but let the parties give them their "best" and then decide who to vote for?  

For some, an independent is someone who consistently votes for Democrats but may have voted for a (gasp!) Republican once.

Sounds like someone wants the media to influence elections more than report on them.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
6.1.16  Right Down the Center  replied to  Texan1211 @6.1.15    4 months ago
Sounds like someone wants the media to influence elections more than report on them.

That is exactly what it sounds like.  All in the name of "saving democracy".

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.1.17  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @6.1.16    4 months ago

Perhaps Goebbels is smiling upon them as we speak.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.1.18  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    4 months ago

As usual trying to tar all with the same wide brush!

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
6.1.19  arkpdx  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.8    4 months ago
in 2016 the independents and moderates gave him " a chance

That's most likely because his opponent then was exponentially  worse than he was. That is somewhat like he is now

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6.1.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.1.10    3 months ago

Imo Biden won fair and square in 2020, but in the last 3+ years he has turned many of his original voter base into independents and conservatives, especially Hispanics, Blacks, Asians and Native Americans who feel he has thrown them under the bus. Especially in the rural Southwestern border region where I live. People that were previously staunch liberal Democrats have had their eyes opened to the fact that the Democratic Party  they and their parents grew up with is not the same one as today. If Biden loses the election, it will be just as much the fault of his conflicting and failed policies as would be Trump.

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
6.2  George  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

Something we agree on but for different reasons, you think they aren’t attacking trump enough and should be protecting Biden. I think they should tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

Look at the bright side John, Trump getting shot has taken Biden is senile in severe mental decline off the front page….until the next time he talks unscripted at least.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
6.2.1  Right Down the Center  replied to  George @6.2    4 months ago
I think they should tell the truth and let the chips fall where they may.

What a novel idea.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
6.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  George @6.2    4 months ago
Trump getting shot has taken Biden is senile in severe mental decline off the front page….

The attack on Trump may keep Biden in it.

Notice how silent the Dems got about him dropping out now?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @6    4 months ago

We're gonna need it.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
7  Right Down the Center    4 months ago

Let the whining by all the internet lawyers commence

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8  evilone    4 months ago

It's another delaying tactic... This ruling will be appealed. I expect Smith to also ask for a new judge in the case.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
8.1  Greg Jones  replied to  evilone @8    4 months ago

No.....it's over, too late in the election campaign to retry an unwinnable case.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    3 months ago

You are correct,  but that will not stop them from trying. They are too pumped up on the illegal shenanigans of Alvin Bragg.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
8.1.2  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1    3 months ago

This is a case of Smith wishing in one hand and doing unmentionable things in the other. It simply will not change things.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @8    4 months ago

Hope you're right.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.2    4 months ago

and not the armchair attorneys here who went to trumpU

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @8    4 months ago

Sounds to me like Smith can ask all he wants. He won't get shit. That's what this is about. His "appointment" to special prosecutor.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.1  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3    4 months ago
Sounds to me like Smith can ask all he wants. He won't get shit. That's what this is about. His "appointment" to special prosecutor.

The DoJ has been assigning Special Prosecutors the same way since Nixon was investigated. All of a sudden it's not Constitutional because.... Trump? This is the ruling from the trial judge. It hasn't been ruled by any apelet court yet. We'll see how it plays out.

You know under this legal logic the House has no legal standing for Biden's DoJ tapes they have been trying to impeach and sue the AG over? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @8.3.1    4 months ago
You know under this legal logic the House has no legal standing for Biden's DoJ tapes they have been trying to impeach and sue the AG over?

Apples and oranges. Garland should have also gone through Congress.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.2    4 months ago

I think I'll take the word of someone who obviously has knowledge about this.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.3.3    4 months ago

Who would that be?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.5  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.4    4 months ago

Not you

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.6  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.2    4 months ago
Apples and oranges.

I don't think so. If one SP is unconstitutional then so is the other and evidence collected is unusable. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.7  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @8.3.6    4 months ago

It is not about the SP themselves but rather the procedure to appoint such person that Garland didn't follow.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.8  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.7    4 months ago

Nah, eo is correct.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.3.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @8.3.1    4 months ago
er this legal logic the House has no legal standing for Biden's DoJ tapes they have been trying to impeach and sue the AG over? 

Explain that. 

How does a ruling limiting the power of the executive branch  diminish Congress's oversight powers? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.3.8    4 months ago

Nope................

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.11  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.7    4 months ago
It is not about the SP themselves but rather the procedure to appoint such person that Garland didn't follow.

What procedure did Garland follow when he appointed Hur that he didn't when he appointed Smith?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.12  Tessylo  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.10    4 months ago

Yup.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @8.3.11    4 months ago

Congress recommended it. You know, the right way 

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
8.3.14  Ronin2  replied to  evilone @8.3.11    4 months ago

Did Hur charge Biden? 

Is Garland going to charge Biden with any of the ample evidence that Hur collected that proves Biden (and his ghost writer) willingly and knowingly mishandled and shared classified information?

If Hur had taken Biden to court; then Biden's defense team could use the same argument.

Since there are no charges and no court case you are comparing shit to apples.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.15  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.13    4 months ago
Congress recommended it. You know, the right way 

Muller wasn't confirmed by the Senate under Trump. He successfully charged and prosecuted people as well. This process has been standard operating procedure since the 70's and has already withstood SCOTUS review. This will be overturned on appeal and as I said I expect Smith to request a new judge as part of that appeal process. 

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.16  evilone  replied to  Ronin2 @8.3.14    4 months ago
Did Hur charge Biden? ...Since there are no charges and no court case you are comparing shit to apples.

Muller charge people under Trump's appointment without Senate confirmation. No one questioned his authority to do so. This has been standard procedure since Nixon and already withstood SCOTUS review. Just because the Populist's Emperor is on the wrong side of justice, today it's suddenly a bad thing... 

Perhaps if Garland, Comer or Jordan had actually found something worth pursuing we wouldn't be dealing with the Octogenarian Gaff Machine.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.3.17  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  evilone @8.3.15    4 months ago

Why Robert Mueller’s Appointment As Special Counsel Was Unlawful

Since 1999, when the independent counsel provisions of the Ethics in Government Act expired, the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) has had in place regulations providing for the appointment of Special Counsels who possess “the full power and independent authority to exercise all investigative and prosecutorial functions of any United States Attorney.” Appointments under these regulations, such as the May 17,2017 appointment of Robert S. Mueller to investigate the Trump campaign, are patently unlawful, for three distinct reasons.

Suggest you read this. Dems obviously skirted the law just to "get Trump" at all costs.

 
 
 
Robert in Ohio
Professor Guide
8.3.18  Robert in Ohio  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.17    4 months ago

Good info on a controversial point

(From BING AI)

Yes, Robert Mueller was confirmed by the Senate.  He served as the FBI director for an extended term, enjoying bipartisan support with initial confirmation in 2001 (98-0) and an extension in 2011 (100-0)   1 . Additionally, Mueller held Senate-confirmed positions under multiple presidents, including George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W.  Bush, and Barack Obama   2 Despite recent debates about the constitutionality of his appointment, the Supreme Court has not directly ruled on the matter   3 .

 
 
 
George
Junior Expert
8.3.19  George  replied to  evilone @8.3.15    4 months ago
This will be overturned on appeal and as I said I expect Smith to request a new judge as part of that appeal process. 

On what bases? prior bad acts, IE other prosecutors appointed after the special prosecutor statute lapsed are irrelevant, as they were never challenged, and the supreme court has just ruled that agencies can't make rules/regulations up on their own and Congress has to do it. this can easily be applied to this case since there was a special prosecutor statute that Congress allowed to lapse. the supreme court ruled the act passed by congress to be constitutional, so it is hard to imagine our current court saying it's constitutional without an act of congress.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.3.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @8.3.16    4 months ago

so. This has been standard procedure since Nixon and already withstood SCOTUS review.

no, it hasn’t.  The scotus reviewed the independent counsel statute which expired in 1999.

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.21  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.3.20    4 months ago
no, it hasn’t.

It hasn't? 

The scotus reviewed the independent counsel statute which expired in 1999.

But it has? 

Can you make up your mind?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.3.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @8.3.21    4 months ago

I'm sorry, I thought you understood what was going on. You clearly don't.

The Supreme Court has never reviewed the constitutionality under the appointments clause of the statutes Smith was appointed under. 

The Supreme  Court did review the constitutionality of the Independent Counsel Statute which Congress allowed to expire and is no longer law. 

Do you need me to simplify it further for you?

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.23  evilone  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.3.22    4 months ago

Your argument didn't work for Hunter Biden last year. 

I expect an appeal, but even if Smith or the DoJ doesn't want to appeal they can reindict in the Southern District of Florida.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
8.3.24  Sean Treacy  replied to  evilone @8.3.23    4 months ago

Your argument didn't work for Hunter Biden last yea

it’s not an argument. 

I expect an appeal,

And it may well be successful.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.3.25  Tessylo  replied to  evilone @8.3.16    4 months ago

AWESOME!

TRUTH!

 
 
 
evilone
Professor Guide
8.3.26  evilone  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @8.3.17    3 months ago
Suggest you read this.

Did you know that Chief Justice Roberts was co-chair of the team that drafted the rules for assigning Special Council when the statute was expiring? The same rules they used to assign Smith.

I see the appeal was filed yesterday on the ruling, but I haven't seen what it says....

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
8.4  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  evilone @8    4 months ago
I expect Smith to also ask for a new judge in the case.

On what grounds?  That he was inappropriately assigned. Face it.  In their rush to "get Trump at all costs" the Democrats failed again.  Maybe try something legal next time.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
8.5  squiggy  replied to  evilone @8    4 months ago

Each time the chihuahuas are released to take another nip Trump's base gets stronger. It started with 'deplorables' and hasn't abated a bit, where the theme should be 'go big or go home'. Now that he has survived a bullet to the head you'd be best served mapping 2028.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.5.1  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @8.5    4 months ago

Wow being nicked on the ear by a piece of the teleprompter is 'surviving a bullet to the head'

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Professor Principal
8.5.2  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.1    4 months ago

It was a bullet.................stop with the ignorant pronouncements

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.5.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.1    4 months ago

So being nicked on the ear by a bullet is surviving a bullet to the head?  Okay.  

Luckiest piece of shit to have ever lived.

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
8.5.4  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.3    4 months ago

You don't think ears on on a head?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.5.5  Tessylo  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.5.4    4 months ago

What a stupid comment

 
 
 
Right Down the Center
Masters Guide
8.5.6  Right Down the Center  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.5    4 months ago

Yes it was, which is why I asked for clarification.  Too bad I only got projection, deflection and denial as a response.

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
8.5.7  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.3    4 months ago

Hunters are chided to not try headshots on deer because often a last-second movement leaves an animal to survive with a painful wound. [removed][]

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Senior Expert
8.5.8  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  squiggy @8.5.7    4 months ago

Agree, an experienced marksman would always go for center of mass and Trump would have probably taken two in the chest.

This kid may have been too influenced by video games and went for head shots.

Trump = luckiest candidate ever.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.5.9  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @8.5.7    4 months ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
8.5.10  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @8.5.7    4 months ago

The demented psychopath speaks already like he is suffering from brain damage/a head wound [removed][]

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
8.5.11  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @8.5.8    4 months ago

i will just stay quiet on this particular subject.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.5.12  Texan1211  replied to  Right Down the Center @8.5.6    4 months ago

Oh, God--not the dreaded P, D, and D again!

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Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.5.13  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @8.5.1    4 months ago
Wow being nicked on the ear by a piece of the teleprompter is 'surviving a bullet to the head'

Please listen to the news or read some.

It was a BULLET, not a piece of a teleprompter.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
9  Jeremy Retired in NC    4 months ago
Both the Appointments and Appropriations challenges as framed in the Motion raise the following threshold question: is there a statute in the United States Code that authorizes the  appointment of Special Counsel Smith to conduct this prosecution? After careful study of this seminal issue, the answer is no. None of the statutes cited as legal authority for the appointment—28 U.S.C. §§ 509, 510, 515, 533—gives the Attorney General broad inferior-officer appointing power or bestows upon him the right to appoint a federal officer with the kind of prosecutorial power wielded by Special Counsel Smith. Nor do the Special Counsel’s strained statutory arguments, appeals to inconsistent history, or reliance on out-of-circuit authority persuade otherwise.
In a nutshell, Smit was not legally appointed to investigate or prosecute ANYBODY.
 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
10  Sean Treacy    4 months ago

Haven’t read the decision so I won’t comment on the reasoning but it seems like this probably contradicts  precedent and should have been decided at the appellate level. It will be now. 

 
 
 
Igknorantzruls
Sophomore Quiet
11  Igknorantzruls    4 months ago

And to think some around here claim there is a two tier Justice system and that all citizens aren't treated equally under the law by judges that were referred to them by the federalist society, and that they had appointed to the bench, to hear cases that were brought forth by a Special Council appointed the same way as back in the Nixon day ,cause we should have known, as Supreme Court Justice Clarence, volunteered as much in an un-required un-requested decision he came out with to save time , money, and Justice under our Laws, from being inconvenienced with having to see to fruition,any cases having to be rectified before the Supremes as deemed that after over a years worth and tens of millions of dollars wasted, it should have been damn quite obvious that Alito and I have been un-wantedly  and un-warrantedly pursued by a possessed and persistent, Terminator, goner rogue agent gone wild flashing his breasts and sending naked selfies while holdin up, and then snorting from, his can of pubic hair laden coke, while giving it just a little choke.... said citizen, and then citizen  a recently aborted afterbirth child gone deletedly wild, was accidentally gunned down by Mrs. Alito ash she and Ginney play Russian Rummey on ole Samuels phat tummy, aching and a baking, edibles and underwear, for as where we deem fare, no EZ pass for Any, fore not fair without fore skin in the manuel pencil sharpener without a trace of an eraser, accept Arnold 

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
11.1  devangelical  replied to  Igknorantzruls @11    4 months ago

any other US citizen would've already been sitting in a cell at club fed over a year for this crime...

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
12  Gsquared    4 months ago

The DOJ can refile the case through the U.S. Attorney's office without a "Special Counsel", and bypass any need for an appeal.  Jack Smith could be hired by the U.S. Attorney's office, and we're off to the races.  Possibly the case can be filed in another jurisdiction where Cannon can't get her hands on it.

Without an appellate court holding, Cannon's ruling shouldn't act as precedent except possibly in the venue where she continues to obstruct justice.

For all this time the right wingers have been complaining that Smith was too close to the DOJ.  Suddenly, based on this ruling by one of their own, he's not close enough.  It must be making their heads spin.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
12.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @12    4 months ago
Jack Smith could be hired by the U.S. Attorney's office, and we're off to the races.

Given Smith and his team admitted to mishandling the evidence (and classified materials) the chances of this being done correctly are no longer an option.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
Professor Participates
13  Greg Jones    4 months ago

Any further efforts to bring this baseless case forward amount to election interference.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
13.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Greg Jones @13    4 months ago

You mean it originally wasn't ?

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14  Gsquared    4 months ago

Cannon's attempt to quash the case amounts to obstruction of justice.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @14    4 months ago

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif Not getting your way is far from "obstruction of justice".

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14.1    4 months ago

But making a ruling contrary to decades of established precedent solely for the benefit of a political ally is classic obstruction. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @14.1.1    4 months ago

Established precedent doesn't make it legal. The only obstruction is the obstruction of illegal precedent.[]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
14.1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14.1.2    4 months ago

There is no established precedent. The issue has never been addressed by the Supreme Court..

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  Sean Treacy @14.1.3    4 months ago
There is no established precedent.  The issue has never been addressed by the Supreme Court.

That is a truly ignorant comment.  There does not have to be a Supreme Court ruling for a legal holding to become a precedent.  Appelllate Court rulings establish precedents far more often than Supreme Court rulings.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @14.1.4    4 months ago
That is a truly ignorant comment.

So is thinking a precedent makes something legal.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
14.1.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Gsquared @14.1.4    4 months ago

Some people don't watch Law and Order. They're always citing court rulings and they're not always SCOTUS rulings

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
14.1.7  Gsquared  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @14.1.5    4 months ago
Established precedent doesn't make it legal.

...

So is thinking a precedent makes something legal.

You should point out where I said "a precedent makes something legal".

A precedent is a court decision that serves as a legal principle or rule that judges use as authority when deciding similar cases.  Some precedents become legally binding depending on which court makes the ruling.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
Professor Expert
14.1.8  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Gsquared @14.1.7    4 months ago

So somehow you think Smith's appointment is set in stone by precedent?  

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
14.2  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @14    4 months ago

I'll speculate that the 11th circuit will reverse and replace her, or smith will refile in NJ where one of his crimes occurred...

 
 
 
devangelical
Professor Principal
14.2.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @14.2    4 months ago

... uh, I think it's the 11th circuit. my former steel trap of a memory is showing some rust ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
14.3  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @14    4 months ago

Then I suggest you read 8.3.17.  LOL.  Just kidding.  I trust your expertise, not trumpU grads.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
15  MrFrost    4 months ago

Trump still has to be sentenced in the other case.. LOL 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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15.1  Tessylo  replied to  MrFrost @15    4 months ago

Keep forgetting about ALL the other charges - I guess not all the judges are bought and paid for by the 'right' yet -- I guess we'll see

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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15.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  MrFrost @15    4 months ago

And the recent SCOTUS ruling on immunity may have a effect on that.

 
 
 
devangelical
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15.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @15.2    3 months ago

business fraud and covering up FEC violations are official business of the POTUS?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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15.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  devangelical @15.2.1    3 months ago

Then explain why the FEC didn't do anything about it?  Even the DOJ walked away from that.

 
 
 
devangelical
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15.3  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @15    3 months ago

hopefully that judge sends him from court directly to prison...

 
 
 
devangelical
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15.3.1  devangelical  replied to  devangelical @15.3    3 months ago

in handcuffs...

 
 
 
bugsy
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15.3.2  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @15.3.1    3 months ago

You will probably have better luck wishing in one hand and well, you know what in the other.

 
 
 
devangelical
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15.3.3  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @15.3.2    3 months ago

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Tacos!
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16  Tacos!    4 months ago

I wouldn’t be surprised if the appeal is filed tomorrow - along with a request to have the case assigned to a different judge. 

We literally have decades of statutes and caselaw supporting the appointments of special prosecutors and she just blithely rejected all of it.

 
 
 
devangelical
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16.1  devangelical  replied to  Tacos! @16    4 months ago

maybe canon was afraid she'd be deported next year...

 
 
 
Ronin2
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16.2  Ronin2  replied to  Tacos! @16    4 months ago

We also have 4 Democrats that did far worse than Trump mishandling classified; yet he is the only one charged.

After the shit show kangaroo court trials in New York leftists have no damn room to talk about how any judge handles things.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
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16.2.1  Tacos!  replied to  Ronin2 @16.2    4 months ago
yet he is the only one charged

Because he was the one refusing to cooperate.

kangaroo court trials

Yeah, it really sucks when a case makes it all the way to a jury, huh? 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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16.3  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tacos! @16    4 months ago
We literally have decades of statutes and caselaw supporting the appointments of special prosecutors and she just blithely rejected all of it.

Those past appointments aren't in question. Smith's appointment was put into question and found to be illegal.  In the ruling (linked in the seeded article) she explains what makes it illegal.  

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
16.3.1  Tacos!  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @16.3    4 months ago
Those past appointments aren't in question.

They were, though, and found to be perfectly legal.

she explains what makes it illegal

Not really. I read her arguments. She’s full of shit.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.3.2  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @16.3.1    4 months ago

Fucking awesome!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
16.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tacos! @16.3.1    4 months ago

Fucking awesome!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17  Buzz of the Orient    4 months ago

Why is anyone surprised about this - she showed her truly biased Trump-loyalty colours before.  She would have dismissed the case against Eichmann if she were the judge at his trial. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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17.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17    4 months ago

And if this reaches the Supreme Trumpian Court of the United States, there is no doubt in my mind what the decision would be, and for sure it would be made AFTER November 5th.  No surprises when it comes to the justice system in the USA. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
17.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @17.1    4 months ago

Not when it comes to those bought and paid for in this supreme court.

 
 

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