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Scientists grow mini human brains to power computers

  

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Via:  hallux  •  last year  •  32 comments

By:   Zoe Kleinman - BBC

Scientists grow mini human brains to power computers

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It may have its roots in science fiction, but a small number of researchers are making real progress trying to create computers out of living cells.

Welcome to the weird world of biocomputing.

Among those leading the way are a group of scientists in Switzerland, who I went to meet.

One day, they hope we could see data centres full of "living" servers which replicate aspects of how artificial intelligence (AI) learns - and could use a fraction of the energy of current methods.

That is the vision of Dr Fred Jordan, co-founder of the FinalSpark lab I visited.

We are all used to the ideas of hardware and software in the computers we currently use.

The somewhat eyebrow-raising term Dr Jordan and others in the field use to refer to what they are creating is "wetware".

In simple terms, it involves creating neurons which are developed into clusters called organoids, which in turn can be attached to electrodes - at which point the process of trying to use them like mini-computers can begin.

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Dr Jordan acknowledges that, for many people, the very concept of biocomputing is probably a bit weird.

"In science fiction, people have been living with these ideas for quite a long time," he said.

"When you start to say, 'I'm going to use a neuron like a little machine', it's a different view of our own brain and it makes you question what we are."

For FinalSpark, the process begins with stem cells derived from human skin cells, which they buy from a clinic in Japan. The actual donors are anonymous.

But, perhaps surprisingly, they're not short of offers.

"We have many people who approach us," he said.

"But we select only stem cells coming from official suppliers, because the quality of the cells are essential."

In the lab, FinalSpark's cellular biologist Dr Flora Brozzi handed me a dish containing several small white orbs.

Each little sphere is essentially a tiny, lab-grown mini-brain, made out of living stem cells which have been cultured to become clusters of neurons and supporting cells - these are the “organoids”.

They are nowhere near the complexity of a human brain, but they have the same building blocks.

After undergoing a process which can last several months, the organoids are ready to be attached to an electrode and then prompted to respond to simple keyboard commands.

This is a means for electrical signals to be sent and received, with the results recorded on a normal computer hooked up to the system.

It's a simple test: you press a key which sends an electric signal through the electrodes, and if it works (it doesn't always) you can just about see a little jump of activity on a screen in response.

What's on display is a moving graph which looks a bit like an EEG.

I press the key a few times in quick succession, and the responses suddenly stop. Then there's a short, distinctive burst of energy on the chart.

When I asked what happened, Dr Jordan said there was a lot they still don't understand about what the organoids do and why. Perhaps I annoyed them.

Electrical stimulations are important first steps towards the team's bigger goal of triggering learning in the biocomputer's neurons so they can eventually adapt to perform tasks.

"For AI, it's always the same thing," he said.

"You give some input, you want some output that is used.

“For instance, you give a picture of a cat, you want the output to say if it's a cat", he explained.


Keeping biocomputers alive




Keeping an ordinary computer going is straightforward - it just needs a power supply - but what happens with biocomputers?

It's a question scientists don't have an answer for yet.

"Organoids don't have blood vessels," said Simon Schultz, professor of Neurotechnology and Director of the Center for Neurotechnology at Imperial College London.

"The human brain has blood vessels that permeate throughout it at multiple scales and provide nutrients to keep it working well.

"We don't yet know how to make them properly. So this is the biggest ongoing challenge."

One thing is for sure though. When we talk about a computer dying, with "wetware" that is literally the case.

FinalSpark has made some progress in the last four years: its organoids can now survive for up to four months.

But there are some eerie findings associated with their eventual demise.


Sometimes they observe a flurry of activity from the organoids before they die – similar to the increased heart rate and brain activity which has been observed in some humans at end-of-life.

"There have been a few events when we had a very fast increase in activity just the last minutes or 10s of seconds [of life]," Dr Jordan said.

"I think we have recorded about 1,000 or 2,000 of these individual deaths across the past five years."

"It's sad because we have to stop the experiment, understand the reason why it died, and then we do it again," he said.

Prof Schultz agrees with that unsentimental approach

"We shouldn't be scared of them, they're just computers made out of a different substrate of a different material," he said.



Real-world applications




FinalSpark are not the only scientists working in the biocomputing space.

Australian firm Cortical Labs announced in 2022 that it had managed to get artificial neurons to play the early computer game Pong.

In the US, researchers at Johns Hopkins University are also building "mini-brains" to study how they process information – but in the context of drug development for neurological conditions like Alzheimer's and autism.

The hope is that AI will soon be able to supercharge this kind of work.

But, for now, Dr Lena Smirnova, who leads the research at Johns Hopkins University, believes wetware is scientifically exciting - but early stage.

And she said there is little prospect of it taking the place of the main material currently used for computer chips.

"Biocomputing should complement – not replace – silicon AI, while also advancing disease modelling and reducing animal use," she said.

Prof Schultz agrees: "I think they won't be able to out-compete silicon on many things, but we'll find a niche," he suggested.

Even as the tech comes ever closer to real world applications, however, Dr Jordan is still captivated by its sci-fi origins.

"I've always been fan of science fiction," he said.

"When you have a movie of science fiction, or a book, I always felt a bit sad because my life was not like in the book. Now I feel like I'm in the book, writing the book."



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Hallux
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1  seeder  Hallux    last year

What else does Pandora have in her cache? Hopefully something other than the offspring of Data and Lore.

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1  cjcold  replied to  Hallux @1    last year

I've read enough sci-fi to know that this never ends up well.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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1.1.1  1stwarrior  replied to  cjcold @1.1    last year

Especially Piers Anthony.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  cjcold @1.1    last year

I've read enough sci-fi to know that this never ends up well.

I don't know, hand out a few to the trump admin....I mean, can't make them any worse. 

 
 
 
CB
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1.1.3  CB  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.2    last year

Uh-huh! Don't do that! Trump is already on the cusp of turning AI into Loki (The Norse God of Mischief) as it is. Soon, AI will be lying its 'bolts' and 'screenshots' off on a routine basis! We, our nation, the world is in SERIOUS trouble depending on who has control (and a Dare) of AI tools!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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1.1.4  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  CB @1.1.3    last year
Trump is already on the cusp of turning AI into Loki

Or maybe "lowkey"?

"Low key" (or "lowkey") is slang meaning subtle, discreet, or secretly, often used as an adverb to soften a statement or express mild feelings rather than intense ones. For example, "I'm low key excited about the concert" or "AI doesn't impress me, I don't see it with a lot of gold, and you know, you have to have a lot of gold if you want to impress people. AI is just lowkey boring, I call it artificial impotence, maybe we can give it a blue pill or something and give it some real marketability. Marketability, its an amazing word I just made up, market-a-bility, an able market, but that's what AI needs. Something to make it manly, virile, or is it viral. Cialis with a chaser of penicillin is man's best friend, I'm just saying..." - Droopy Dong Don

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Hallux @1    last year
What else does Pandora have in her cache? Hopefully something other than the offspring of Data and Lore.

This very well might be the extreme beginning of a science allowing your brain to be downloaded into a computer.  Copying your brain into a normal computer may happen, but it would mostly just sit there as unused data.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.3  Gordy327  replied to  Hallux @1    last year

Data is fine. Lore is a problem. But we're not even up to the level of B4 yet.

 
 
 
Hallux
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1.3.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Gordy327 @1.3    last year

Spot seemed to like Data.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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1.3.2  Gordy327  replied to  Hallux @1.3.1    last year

She did. But she hated Geordi.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2  Perrie Halpern R.A.    last year

Great article. BTW, can it grow me a new brain?

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Sure, where would you like it implanted, and don't make me flag you? Oh, look at that, she who must be obeyed cannot be flagged.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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2.2  Gsquared  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Why? You're already smarter than anybody else.

 
 
 
Thomas
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2.3  Thomas  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Put me in for two....

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.4  Gordy327  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Or can it replace damaged brain tissue caused by injury or disease? 

 
 
 
CB
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2.5  CB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Is that something like wanting a Huey Newton-styled "new drug"? :)  Love you, Perrie!!!!

 
 
 
CB
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2.5.1  CB  replied to  CB @2.5    last year

By this time, a music genius (Perrie) like you are. . . has processed that I blotched Huey's last name!  OY! Huey Lewis (And The News)! Great song!

 
 
 
charger 383
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2.6  charger 383  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

I need an extra brain and a spare one, too

My original one is full and I keep forgetting things

 
 
 
Hallux
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2.6.1  seeder  Hallux  replied to  charger 383 @2.6    last year
My original one is full and I keep forgetting things

Perfect time to mythologise your life.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.7  MrFrost  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2    last year

Great article. BTW, can it grow me a new brain?

I want two. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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3  sandy-2021492    last year
Among those leading the way are a group of scientists in Switzerland, who I went to meet.

Um, wasn't Dr. Frankenstein Swiss?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    last year

He is an Italianborn Swiss scientist who, after studying chemical processes and the decay of living things, gains an insight into the creation of life and gives life to his own creature (often referred to as Frankenstein's monster, or often colloquially referred to as simply "Frankenstein").

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1    last year
the decay of living things,

lactates...

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.2  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.1    last year

???   Breast feeding?

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.2    last year

Extreme activity uses up the oxygen in the blood and starves the muscles of oxygen causing cell death which is measured as lactate acids.  

Heart Failure exacerbated by diabetes, or not, is also measured by testing the lactate levels in the blood.  levels which are too high start to attack the kidneys and other organs starting a downward spiral.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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3.1.4  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @3.1.3    last year

Okay, thanks.  All that is way beyond my knowledge.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.2  MrFrost  replied to  sandy-2021492 @3    last year

Um, wasn't Dr. Frankenstein Swiss?

Cheese? Yes.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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4  Buzz of the Orient    last year

There is a nation in the world where such advanced medical technology would never happen as long as its President and Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services remain in control.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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5  Hal A. Lujah    last year

I seeded something about this a couple years ago.  This could help solve our energy and climate crisis if we can figure it out.

 
 
 
evilone
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6  evilone    last year

This is all I got out of the article -

We don't yet know how to make them properly. 
 
 
 
CB
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7  CB    last year
"When you start to say, 'I'm going to use a neuron like a little machine', it's a different view of our own brain and it makes you question what we are."

This is what I got out of it. Our world is on a(n) disturbing-interesting trajectory. . . either we win or we will lose the 'game' with its prizes. Because ain't no going back from knowledge that for all intents and purposes will make 'ordinary' people at some point obsolete and sooner that that 'less-than' to the scheme of life!

I am thinking, bigger, better, faster, and critical - its that last listing that is going to cause a partisan politics meltdown!

 
 
 
CB
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8  CB    last year

What can go wrong with a 'mind' in a computer accessing data at astronomical speeds? Just let your mind be free and 'go there.' . . . .Will that mind determine there is a God? Will that mind wish to serve a 'higher being'? What would be a higher mind than a computer without its own 'appetites' to drain focus? If it has a mind. . .will it 'want' to THINK?!!!

 
 

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