BREAKING: In a totally unprecedented move, Melania Trump has bailed on Donald Trump tonight and will not show up to the debate. Not a great start to tonight’s debate for Donald Trump.
I gave you what I have. . . please assist the best that you can in clicking on the available link and listening to the results from Daniel Dale of CNN. I will leave it up to your judgement to accept what his 'receipts' on the matter or to repute them. It's the best I can do since Youtube (my favorite mode of sharing) does not have a prepared clip to post!
But, you don't excuse every politician for being. . . a politician. Work on consistency (already). More to the point, politicians have a lot of groups and individuals to please when they speak. The dynamics can be impossible. Because there are secrets to keep out of the public conversation and yet the public (media) can be extra demanding in drilling down for answers that simply must not be spoken. So yes, politics and politicians are deliberately slippery in how they speak! But to be a calculated and boastful liar that is beyond the pail.
we're 20 minutes into a debate featuring a guy who was convicted of 30 felony counts a few weeks ago and CNN started off with a question about the national debt and no question yet about the felon who tried to overthrow the government
If it weren't for trump, I don't think Joe would have been running. He is old. There is no getting around that. But he is not a convicted felon and worthless human being.
Dazzle them with bullshit. But, the quiet, stuttering old man has experienced a great deal of trials and tribulations in his life and may have some tools left to manifest. Besides, looking old is not a crime. . . theft and corruption are crimes.
It’s bullshit that the moderators don’t stop them (Trump) and direct them (Trump) to just answer the question they asked instead of running their (Trump’s) mouth. People want to hear answers to questions, not this trash.
If dog > Biden, and dog > necktie, and necktie > Trump, then Biden > Trump. Pretty simple math. Any other simple concepts else you need help with? Transitive property maybe?
I just got home from work, my wife watched the debate and she said Biden had trouble getting off the stage after the debate and froze early on. My wife hates Trump and would vote for Biden IF he was worthy of her vote.
She says Democrats need to replace him based on his performance.
I got home just in time to see the CNN poll--Biden decisively lost, according to the poll, and we know that must have been tough for CNN to report!
Seems that is all some have to try and salvage Joe. But but Trump doesn't answer questions and he lies, sort of like Joe and his press secretary does every day.
This debate is a train wreck. Biden looks old and Trump is the most dishonest political figure in the history of this country.
If Trump gets a bump from this the dems should convince Biden to drop out and nominate someone who can rip Trump to shreds. Its really not that hard to do.
If Trump gets a bump for acting like this then we have truly reach peak Idiocracy. Not saying it won’t happen, just pointing out the sorry state of affairs.
We know that Trump is running for his own selfish reasons. Biden is also tremendously selfish for running again against the interests of the nation. Both will have exceedingly weak running mates, unprepared to take over if their partner falters.
FDR was sitting all of his 14 year presidency. Its the mind that counts.
FDR knew that he was dying of congestive heart failure and then selfishly ran for a fourth term anyways. Fortunately, the administration got rid of Wallace, a Soviet sympathizer and replaced him with Truman.
Is Trump’s behavior more illuminating to you than if he would actually answer a question? This is exactly what anyone should have expected from Trump. He is pathetic.
They forgot to update Biden’s talking points, he just fucked up and claimed trump said NAZIS were good people. Fact checkers are saying that never happened.
So are any Biden supporters going to say Biden just lied to the American people on national TV?
Except they didn't. Way too much talking about past issues and little talk about any plans for the future. I don't think either one was a winner tonight.
I think Biden took Donald It's just Biden's voice betrayed him tonight. It was hard to hear his answers. Moreover, this was a 'first impression' moment for Biden. Trump started out hard to hear too, but got better as time went on. Both showed age. Strangely, Biden appeared stronger in his voice at the 'after party.' If there is a second debate . . . we will have to see if Biden's chest voice shows up to support him
It tells everyone with a thinking brain that he does not equate professional occupations with black people. Apparently black people are only suited for the service industry and migrants are taking their jobs. Why else would be isolate black people in that comment?
Donald Trump claims two more golf championships at Trump International West Palm Beach
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Not even spending most of his time in courtrooms attempting to defend himself from 88 felony counts can slow down Donald Trump's golf game.
The former president and Palm Beach resident boasted Sunday of adding two more championships to his long self-proclaimed list, saying on his social media site he won the Club Championship and Senior Club Championship at his course in West Palm Beach.
The post, which appeared on Truth Social, was sent during Trump International's awards night.
"It is my great honor to be at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach tonight, AWARDS NIGHT, to receive THE CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY & THE SENIOR CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY," the 77-year-old Trump wrote.
"I WON BOTH!"
The post concluded with Trump adding: "A large and golfing talented membership, a GREAT and difficult course, make the play very exciting. The qualifying and match play was amazing. A large and distinguished group will be there tonight. Very exciting, thank you!!!"
The post was mocked by President Joe Biden who reposted Trump.
"Congratulations, Donald. Quite the accomplishment," Biden wrote.
In August, he posted that he captured the Senior Club Championship at his course in Bedminster, New Jersey, by shooting a 67, a score that would have beaten all but six of the 144 rounds on that same course weeks earlier in a LIV Golf event.
Trump concluded that post by saying: "For some reason, I am just a good golfer/athlete - I have won many Club Championships, and it is always a great honor!"
Brian Jack, a MAGA Congressional candidate from Georgia, recently praised Trump for his golf skills by saying he "put to shame two professional golfers," by shooting "a 70 on 18 holes."
Trump bragging about his golfing exploits, and being accused of cheating on the course, goes back many years.
Those dubious claims on the course are legendary, and were the subject of a 2019 book by sportswriter Rick Reilly: "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump."
"Trump doesn’t just cheat at golf," Reilly wrote. "He throws it, boots it, and moves it. He lies about his lies. He fudges and foozles and fluffs. At Winged Foot, where Trump is a member, the caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway they came up with a nickname for him: 'Pele.' ”
Trump, who honed his golf skills many weekends in West Palm Beach while serving as President, is a staunch supporter of LIV Golf and has played in many pro-ams leading up to LIV events held at his properties.
LIV is returning to Trump National Doral next week. Last October, though, Trump was a no-show for the LIV event in Doral, not even participating in the pro-am, which was held the day after Trump attended his civil fraud trial in New York. Trump is facing four criminal cases.
It is unknown if Trump will play the pro-am at Doral next week. But if he's not in court, he just may want to continue that decades-long hot streak he claims to be on … on the course, that is.
And even if he's not there, he still can say he won.
Tom D'Angelo is a senior sports columnist and golf writer for The Palm Beach Post. He can be reached at tdangelo@pbpost.com.
Prediction: As it stands it now looks like Trump will win the election. (By a landslide …) Dems only hope; Biden steps down and Dems find a new candidate.
Yes, I am "shilling" for Biden. I have heard nothing but lies and distortions from Trump, no matter what question was asked. Biden has mostly remained on point to the questions asked.
Try the hell again. That is not the way a defense pact works
Leave theory behind and try it in practice. And yes, I did notice the unremarkable 'twist' you put on the deployment of NATO's Article 5. Get real. Stop appeasing Putin. It's not a good look for democracy.
Donald is lying again, he would love to be somewhere else and not running for president. But Lordy, there are court cases! Donald needs this presidential 'gig.'
I was mentioning that to my family. . .that he sounded like a 'frog' in his throat or a cold. Damn it! It should have been mentioned up front. First impression! Biden could have mentioned it (in passing).
I agree. My concern remains the same as it was prior to the debate. Trump being elected is unacceptable. This debate heightened my concern because low information and casual watchers who are deciding based on this debate would not see Biden in a great light.
This debate heightened my concern because low information and casual watchers who are deciding based on this debate would not see Biden in a great light.
That depends on how you watch. If you are watching or listening saying, "Oh, my! That was a zinger!" regardless of factual value, then Trump did well because he is physically more robust and more able to blather on. If you are watching or listening with an ear toward verifiable information, then Biden did much better.
Listening to the reaction, the problem exists in the minds of the electorate.
I am thinking of what someone who had not made up their mind at this point would know. My guess is that they do not pay much attention to politics and thus would be highly influenced by the optics.
I think alot of people watched to see a train wreck. I think many were thinking the train wreck would be Trump not being able to hold back on the assholery. Instead the train wreck was some old guy that people now feel sorry for.
Accuracy is best. But the people I am referring to are not those who follow politics closely. Biden's state of the union performance was dramatically different than his debate performance. Those who assess Biden strictly on the debate will not have accurate information.
Of course, this was clearly stated in my comment:
TiG@46.1.1 ☞ My concern remains the same as it was prior to the debate. Trump being elected is unacceptable. This debate heightened my concern becauselow information and casual watcherswho are deciding based on this debate would not see Biden in a great light.
I think it will be interesting to see if Biden will go forward and if Trump will go for a second debate or go with Bidens basement strategy that worked in 2020
Those who assess Biden strictly on the debate will not have accurate information.
Or maybe they did have accurate information. If low information and casual observers now see Joe as he was yesterday and become concerned enough to look on line for more examples there are plenty to be found.
Biden and Trump agree to debates in June and September
Politics Updated on May 15, 2024 12:48 PM EDT — Published on May 15, 2024 11:07 AM EDT
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump on Wednesday agreed to hold two campaign debates — the first on June 27 hosted by CNN and the second on Sept. 10 hosted by ABC — setting the stage for the first presidential face-off in just weeks.
I have held that Biden is too old to be PotUS since he chose to run over four years ago. But his performance last night was the worst I have seen him in a continuous presentation. As noted, this is dramatically different from his State of the Union.
Those who take last night as representative of Biden will be misinformed: accidentally or intentionally (confirmation bias).
My guess is that they do not pay much attention to politics and thus would be highly influenced by the optics.
That is precisely what is wrong with a large part of the electorate: If they are going to vote they need to educate themselves. This is not a reality TV show, it is a debate. The reason to observe debates is to decide who has the best information and recall on the topics at hand. As far as that goes, Biden was obviously the most clued in. All I heard come out of Trump were lies and extreme distortions, all to absolutely no call-out from the moderators.
Apathy, naivety, and ignorance are the critical problems with the electorate. These factors enable large-scale manipulation of the (resulting) votes that end up electing crappy human beings in positions of power.
That would be a renege. And yes Donald has done things like not honor the debate format. It is what it is. Biden will have to do what he can/will. He is definitely not any way, form, shape, or fashion a novice to politics.
If the 'dems' don't drop Biden. . .the good news (as in the dismal first debate by Obama against Romney) there is always tomorrow to get it right. Furthermore, CNN just dipped into a Biden 'after party' and Biden's voice was stronger there. As for the stutter (and facial grimacing because of it) Biden is stuck with that. Let's just see if Biden gets kept through the 'fall-out.'
Also, Donald ain't going nowhere. MAGAs love their liar. And if they don't he won't concede to ever remove himself either.
I do not see how the Ds can drop Biden. They should have done that well before the primary season. Not now. Not unless they have some dynamic candidate who can step in and rally the nation around them. Who is that? I have no name (among career politicians).
Did hard Ds will vote for whoever is the nominee so the trick is to find a candidate who will attract the independents and at least some of the never-Trumpers. I suppose it is possible but it seems unlikely. But we are in very strange times so I suppose it is best to not rule out even the wildest of twists and turns.
To me, it would be hard to pick a D that would not be better for the nation than Trump. But I have to wonder if most independents think similarly.
Governor Newsome is looking so 'shiny and so new' right now. What would Independent say about him? Also, the media (David Axelrod) is saying Biden would have to concede as he is the presumptive nominee. . .he can't be simply replaced. We're see what the 'big wigs' do or if they stand pat for the next hopefully better debate. Snuffy, is 'reporting' that a news agency is sharing that Biden has a cold.
Well now if Biden has a cold and that is certainly possible considering his voice was definitely not properly calibrated as it as on the State of the Union. . . .he really did take it to Donald otherwise, in my humble opinion.
Whether Biden could be convinced to step down is the big question.
Exactly. The reason Biden is the presumptive nominee is because he wanted to be. It is extremely difficult for a political machine to deny incumbency. That, to me, is the primary reason Biden is the presumptive nominee. It is hard to imagine the D operatives wanted Biden to run for a second term.
But, then again, it is hard to imagine why the GOP has sold its soul to Trump.
I loved Biden's attack on Trump's state's right to manage abortions. Admittedly, I got detracted by a phone call right at that point but I heard it in replay. A cold can do many things to the mind. . . fogginess is one. Just saying. I can't prove or disprove it. But, it makes sense. Some years ago during my acting days (yes, I was local performer) I had a cold and was forced to delivery my lines in a fog and with a throat like what I heard from Joe tonight. I have never forgotten how I got through it. So when I say I can believe it could be an inopportune cold (head congestion) I really mean it. (Though, I can't possibly know what is happening with Biden, but for he did not sound like himself!)
TiG, I feel that I may be misunderstood here and need to go the extra distance. I don't know why the Dems' political machine is running the incumbent candidate in his early 80s. That's not my job to know. I will support anybody that runs against a dedicated liar who relies on sensationalism and the laziness of others to not take the time or interest to separate truth from fantasy. If the dems run a different candidate this cycle I will support that potentially more youthful member, because from my perspective I can't easily tolerate the lies and the flouting of everything about this country that is good by someone who simply wants to manipulate the system to his and his people's advantage. While doing great harm to me and those I value—as worthwhile people.
If that is Biden so be it. If it is not Biden then so be it. Donald can never win my vote (without a complete character makeover. . . he has demonstrated time and time again that he does not care to do so.
I can accept that your perspective is different from mine (as we come at this from different orientations and potentially allowances. Principally, Donald is stealing in plain sight to me. . . I see Donald as stealing from others (including me) physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, culturally, etceteras. I could not vote for Donald if I tried, as a result.
The democrats have already held their primaries, and Biden won them and the delegates have been awarded, according to the DNC rules those delegates are obligated to vote for him. the only one who can remove Joe is Joe.
Per Dem Party rules the delegates won during the primary are pledged to vote for that person only. Biden would have to formally quit and back someone else before the Party nomination vote.
I think the only person that could talk him out of running is Obama and Michelle would have to run as his replacement. Joe may go with that and she may very well beat Trump.
I don't think Joe will leave for anyone else to take his place unless Barack tells him to step down for his wife. Of course that is just conjecture on my part.
“Politics is hard,” she said in the Netflix special. “And the people who get into it … you’ve got to want it. It’s got to be in your soul, because it is so important. It is not in my soul.”
In a 2022 BBC interview, she also said she “detests” questions about running for president.
Also, I can't locate it now but that "taskbar" newsfeed some or all of us possess on our computer lower right menu, recently displayed a statement from former president Obama that he does not encourage his wife, Michelle, to enter the political arena.
I can understand why: Politics, as it is currently being done, is STUPID. The media is like a panting 'arena' of jackals sitting with bated breath to tear apart any participant that falters-even with an accidental misstatement. And, the lying, scandal, oppo is contemptible. Truth does not matter. Good intentions do not matter. It's toxic.
The Surgeon General should issue a warning label about politics being toxic to the soul and spirit! Because it is.
Best option and quite possibly the only one that Joe would agree to. I don't think he can count on his wife to get him to step down and I don't believe the Dems have the balls to do it or they would have already. I don't think the dems have a bench and Barack isn't going to push for one of them.
Privately I think Biden should step down, take his laurels, and go home to age gracefully. Leave the political "devil may care' arena behind. That said, it is what it is.
BTW, it is high time this country count the cost of what it is doing to 'regular' folks who simply want to do what is best for their country's existence, growth, and furtherance. There are two many forces aligned at any given time against positivity in the political arena. . . that will not accept good for its own sake, but persist in tearing down, undermining, and ruining the participants who try their best to win for all the people and not just a political side or tribe.
Time for deep reflection on why we have two truly old individuals running for an office that a 35 years old can achieve. . . is it because many good people simply don't want the destruction of their souls and minds, their families too, to a process/office that seemingly now has outsmarted itself and is more often than not being re-oriented toward corrupting influences of money and power.
I think the best option is for the Ds to have hit their breaking point and now confront Biden. But to do that, they need an alternative. Michelle will not run. And Obama also has not acted yet either so your logic of ‘would have already done it’ does not hold water.
There are too many ways for this to go so speculation is a bit pointless. I would be quite surprised if the Ds switch to someone else at this stage, but we are living in extremely strange political times so I will not rule anything out.
I would personally like a viable option … someone I could vote for rather than merely voting against Trump. But that is very wishful thinking.
I have to wonder how many independents leaning toward biden, how many people that said they would vote for biden because he is not as bad as the other guy and even people that said they would vote for neither are rethinking things
That of course is my concern. Too many people focus on optics and do not consider (or possibly even know) the details when comparing Trump and Biden in terms of harm to this nation.
“…but we are living in extremely strange political times…”
Desperate times call for desperate measures. An old adage, but the circumstances we face certainly qualify.
At this late hour, it will take extraordinary courage and extraordinary leadership to restore at least a semblance of hope..,and perhaps that effort will convince enough to make the choice to leave this aberration to the history books.
“Out of the fires of desperation burn hope and solidarity.” ~ Sharan Burrow
you're forgetting that in maga world, one bombed debate performance totally negates inciting an insurrection, absconding with classified materials and refusing to return them, and 34 felony convictions...
Michele Obama would be great, she is intelligent, she has charisma, and she wouldnt take any shit from Trump, but she doesnt seem to want the slings and arrows of being a politician. In this atmosphere who can blame her?
Joe and his counterparts have to make the message clear, one debate a campaign season does not make. Just ask, Barack! Hell, you can ask Donald too about his first one! (Even though, he ended up losing several more debates after that initial one.) Of course, the usual suspects are silent when it comes to any of Donald's failures which are 'legion.'
For the record, Donald can NOT win a presidency because his opponent has a rough night (of cold, whatever, or something else). Donald is still the biggest liar and most prolific liar in recent memory. . . normal people don't give value points for being so.
There are no 'participation' points for being a SPECTACULAR liar's 'performance.' Let's remind our friends and frenemies of that one significant thing.
I hope she does not! Her husband, Barack has asked her to not do it. Apparently, politics has turned into a zero-sum game of destruction (in and out of the history books). . .y'all need a new punching bag. . go to the politics section of a sporting good store.
Biden put to rest, the lie that he would be pumped up on drugs
i agree with your other points, but his unblinking stares point In the other direction. I just think he’s kind of past the point he can fake being normal for hours.
the next four years are going to be a disaster with either one of these two as president.
If anyone here thinks Biden won tonight you should send the reason why to the CNN crew because they are burying him with the fact that he sucked tonight.
I saw two runners running a race. One got tired and did not cross the finish line. The other did not cross the finish line either, because he ran the wrong direction.
running in the wrong direction actually exceeded my expectations of him tripping over his own two feet and face planting into the concrete.
Trump lied as was expected and told over two lies for every lie Biden told. I don’t know about the wrong direction, Trump achieved his limited objectives.
Biden failed to project vigor and stamina. He come off as confused and unable to use Trump’s lies against him:
“We’re making sure that we’re able to make every single solitary personeligible for what I’ve been able to do with - the covid — excuse me, with — dealing with everything we have to do with — look — if — we finally beat Medicare.”
When you avoid answering every direct question you are running in the wrong direction. Just about every opportunity he had to answer a question directed to him, he started with “I’d like to go back to what he just said”. I was particularly interested in his response to if he plans on deporting every noncitizen and how he plans to do that, since that’s the kind of trash he is feeding his supporters. He dodged that immediately and they let him get away with it.
That said, I don’t disagree that Biden had a bad night. Perhaps he will be persuaded to step aside now.
Biden failed to project vigor and stamina. He come off as confused and unable to use Trump’s lies against him:
But he looked like a completely different person today at a rally in NC, even admitting how bad he did last night, ( still coughing ) he accepted the fact that he failed and he promised to do better to a cheering standing ovation.
Don't forget, both Bush and Obama lost opening debates that should have been slam dunks and neither realized they lost until the next day. And both corrected those mistakes. Biden still has time, as does the DNC.
As I watched Trump repeating the same nonsense over and over and not answering the questions, I was reminded of the night Kennedy debated Nixon and no one really paid any attention to what either of them said. We all remember Nixon melting under the lights, little else.
I was reminded of the night Kennedy debated Nixon and no one really paid any attention to what either of them said. We all remember Nixon melting under the lights, little else.
So how do the democrats get rid of Kamala without looking racist? Biden obviously needs to be replaced, but how does one get the VP to quietly disappear?
Your comment is bogus. We can be honest about Biden. MAGAs stand with Donald and his 'boatload' of lies. One has to wonder if a 'side-order' of some kind would go good with Donald's dinner of lies, them lies, and damn lies.
Almost as funny as how many times Trump claimed his administration, military, policies, clean H2O and air, oil production and energy from all sources was the best there has ever been, over and over, "the best in history".
And the moron thinks that 0% inflation is a good thing. It's a sign of a dead economy.
Well, I wouldn't vote for either of them, and since I'm NOT an American I have no loyalties to any American political party and I'm capable of laughing at what I think is funny no matter if the topic is Trump or Biden or Republican or Democrat or conservative or liberal.
CNN Flash Poll: Majority of debate watchers say Trump won debate over Biden
Registered voters who watched Thursday’s debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump say, 67% to 33%, that Trump turned in a better performance.
We don't need a performance (especially one packed with lies), well because, the truth will nearly always be less exciting than a fake set of achievements and "trophies." We need a truth-teller to lead us. Let us know when the MAGA party begins supporting such a one.
CNN's Daniel Dale fact checks Trump's and Biden's claims made in debate
Can't post this IMPORTANT video yet (not on Youtube that I can find), but y'all need to hear Daniel Dale explain Biden's 9 lies and Donald's 35 lies.
(And if/when you do listen to the video, note that Daniel does not count the lie Donald uttered on stage that he did not have sex with Ms. Stormy Daniels.)
If you are going to just detach and go with talking points: Just say so. The Bottom Line: Unfortunately, if you get the courts whomsoever your group is wants ,the rest of us will protest the hell out of it. We have no intentions of giving up our (new found) freedoms, liberties, and privileges to whomsoever your group is. If your group think that once we have tasted true freedom from being under whomsoever your group is control over us as liberals, y'all are delusional. Like it or lump it.
"When he was President they were still killing people in Afghanistan, he didn't do anything about that. The truth is, I'm the only President this century that doesn't have any, this decade that doesn't have any troops dying anywhere in the world".
Sorry Joey. Facts say otherwise. You are responsible for quite a few hundred deaths. Military AND civilian just in his horrid retreat from Afghanistan.
It's not like Traitor Joe would remember. He was to busy checking his watch like he had more important things to do when the Soldiers and Marines that were killed come home.
Wow. So let's just pick Donald to be president because he is an international peacekeeper. /s His style of conflict is better portrayed by keeping domestic disharmony, division, and disarray. Wars don't stage themselves based on what U.S. president is serving, Jeremy. It's simply not how that works.
No! It sounds like you are taunting me and I don't appreciate it or deserve it. I offered you what I have already with a proper explanation. Move back into the heart of the discussion now.
Are you watching tonight?
Nope. Since you are so unbiased I thought I would just let you tell me who won.
We will hear about it who "won" for weeks.
What we will hear next to nothing of is who LOST, the American people.
Damn right!
hopefully joe triggers the orange menace early so we can watch him foam at the mouth on TV for an hour or more...
So how did it go?
Oh, hell no!
Good!
Let The Festivities Commence!
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Good evening, let's begin -
" I claim the 5th" !
Just can't remember where it is, er was, er should be, but I know some big words !
Exactly!
The big push is getting a lot harder!
lol
OMG—- I’ve been Rickrolled! 🤪
Jackie Kennedy backstage at 1960 Kennedy Nixon debate
Is Dr. Jill there?
The debate is only one third over and Trump has already lied more than any other presidential candidate has in any debate in history.
Dont believe me? Watch the fact checkers tomorrow.
The weirdly good news is both sound like they are old-'aged.' Is it the mics?
Biden is trying to talk too fast.
Is that why he seems to be mumbling?
Trump has lied at least 10 times already.
And how many times did Traitor Joe lie?
See @65!
Too many to list?
I gave you what I have. . . please assist the best that you can in clicking on the available link and listening to the results from Daniel Dale of CNN. I will leave it up to your judgement to accept what his 'receipts' on the matter or to repute them. It's the best I can do since Youtube (my favorite mode of sharing) does not have a prepared clip to post!
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You are welcome, 'master' Jeremy. /s
Trump just said "every legal scholar wanted abortion returned to the states"
that is a lie.
Prove it
It was simply a poor way of saying that every legal expert including Justice Ginsburg thought that Roe v Wade was wrongly decided.
It was a lie. You rewrote his claim to something that is entirely different.
Kind of like: "The Earth is flat" ... is simply a poor way of saying that in some locations the Earth looks flat when standing on the ground.
It was a flat out lie, Vic.
Are you saying Justice Ginsburg thought Roe was a good ruling?
No. Read my comment. It is perfectly clear.
Did Justice Ginsburg think Roe was a good ruling, I am asking you?
Holy fuck Trump is kicking his ass!!!
Trump has told at least a lie a minute.
Name them
I'm not sure I'll live that long.
That would make him a politician.
But, you don't excuse every politician for being. . . a politician. Work on consistency (already). More to the point, politicians have a lot of groups and individuals to please when they speak. The dynamics can be impossible. Because there are secrets to keep out of the public conversation and yet the public (media) can be extra demanding in drilling down for answers that simply must not be spoken. So yes, politics and politicians are deliberately slippery in how they speak! But to be a calculated and boastful liar that is beyond the pail.
Which debate are you watching?! Trump is unsurprisingly being a complete fucking moron.
But he's kicking his ass! lol
He’s making Biden look like a fucking rookie
Yes he is. Glad you see the light
lol. My favorite moments are the smiles on Biden’s face, no doubt as amazed at Trump’s boundless stupidity as the rest of thinking America.
No.
He is thinking about ice cream during a presidential debate
Dang, I got interrupted by a phone call. Getting back into it. . . I will have to go back over the abortion portion of the debate!
Donald will have the Ukraine/Russia war ended before he gets inaugurated or just after. He did not specify how! Talk is cheap.
Sure he did. He will remove the US from NATO, defund Ukraine, and tell Putin to do anything he wants to do.
Bullshit heard it all before
Wow. A mind-reader in the house! /s (I love it!)
Yes you did, from Trump's own mouth.
What is worse an old man, or a pathological liar ?
If it weren't for trump, I don't think Joe would have been running. He is old. There is no getting around that. But he is not a convicted felon and worthless human being.
But without any fact checking for the debate, the loud obnoxious liar will probably win over the quiet stuttering old man.
Barring any move by the Dems, last night all but assured that.
Dazzle them with bullshit. But, the quiet, stuttering old man has experienced a great deal of trials and tribulations in his life and may have some tools left to manifest. Besides, looking old is not a crime. . . theft and corruption are crimes.
It is in MAGA country, hence all of Trump's makeup and comb-over.
It’s bullshit that the moderators don’t stop them (Trump) and direct them (Trump) to just answer the question they asked instead of running their (Trump’s) mouth. People want to hear answers to questions, not this trash.
Gosh, a Presidential debate and the participants are dodging questions?
Wow, never seen that before!
Trump isn’t even trying. He’s using his diarrhea of the mouth to avoid every single question.
Wowza!
Guess that means Biden won, eh?
Will the debate convince you to vote for Biden now?
Biden is answering questions he is asked. Trump is being a whiny little bitch. Of course the choice is obvious.
So you will vote for Biden because you think he is winning the debate.
Interesting.
Biden’s necktie could beat Trump in this debate.
And my dog could beat Biden.
Point?
Neckties won’t be on the ballot.
Well, a dog could beat a necktie, so that’s where Trump ranks.
Still lacking a cogent point.
I guess that was too deep of a thought for you.
Feel free to expound on the point you believe you made.
If dog > Biden, and dog > necktie, and necktie > Trump, then Biden > Trump. Pretty simple math. Any other simple concepts else you need help with? Transitive property maybe?
Perhaps the Dem’s can campaign with the necktie and not the President.
Here is a concept for you:
Trump is a zero.
Biden is a zero.
Add them up and you get a zero.
Congrats.
I just got home from work, my wife watched the debate and she said Biden had trouble getting off the stage after the debate and froze early on. My wife hates Trump and would vote for Biden IF he was worthy of her vote.
She says Democrats need to replace him based on his performance.
I got home just in time to see the CNN poll--Biden decisively lost, according to the poll, and we know that must have been tough for CNN to report!
Seems that is all some have to try and salvage Joe. But but Trump doesn't answer questions and he lies, sort of like Joe and his press secretary does every day.
He doesn't need to try very hard, he is just watching Joe self destruct
Hyperbole the best you can come up with?
This debate is a train wreck. Biden looks old and Trump is the most dishonest political figure in the history of this country.
If Trump gets a bump from this the dems should convince Biden to drop out and nominate someone who can rip Trump to shreds. Its really not that hard to do.
Dems won't do that, they are stuck with Biden, as is America.
If Trump gets a bump for acting like this then we have truly reach peak Idiocracy. Not saying it won’t happen, just pointing out the sorry state of affairs.
Haven't we reached that peak with the fact these two clowns are the frontrunners?
It is not out of the question, actually more likely than not.
We know that Trump is running for his own selfish reasons. Biden is also tremendously selfish for running again against the interests of the nation. Both will have exceedingly weak running mates, unprepared to take over if their partner falters.
I'll volunteer to debate Trump and I will rip him to shreds.
I'll have to be allowed to be seated though. I am a heart patient.
Perhaps your health is an issue like with these two.
FDR was sitting all of his 14 year presidency. Its the mind that counts.
They shouldn't wait
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FDR knew that he was dying of congestive heart failure and then selfishly ran for a fourth term anyways. Fortunately, the administration got rid of Wallace, a Soviet sympathizer and replaced him with Truman.
Sorry TDS doesn't qualify you as a strong debater.
You should stay far away from Trump as possible- it will be better for you heart, health, and mental well being.
I could destroy Trump in 5 minutes, as could millions of other people.
January 6 deflection from Donald. . . .(he is not asking the question) and Jake Tapper is eating Donald's lunch!
Biden is strong on the January 6 question! Donald deflected.
Biden can’t seem to maintain a train of thought.
Trump is an ass, but he is aware enough to deflect a questions and get his Biden is bad lines in.
Trump is a pathological liar.
Is Trump’s behavior more illuminating to you than if he would actually answer a question? This is exactly what anyone should have expected from Trump. He is pathetic.
Biden just had a basket of deplorables moments.
I don't think it will matter any.
Biden needs to take this break to clear his throat! And yes, age is showing on both Donald and Biden!
They forgot to update Biden’s talking points, he just fucked up and claimed trump said NAZIS were good people. Fact checkers are saying that never happened.
So are any Biden supporters going to say Biden just lied to the American people on national TV?
Biden looks old, but he doesnt look like he doesnt know where he is.
So that was all a lie.
Thats MAGA for you.
Now it's time to focus on policy.
Except they didn't. Way too much talking about past issues and little talk about any plans for the future. I don't think either one was a winner tonight.
I think Biden took Donald It's just Biden's voice betrayed him tonight. It was hard to hear his answers. Moreover, this was a 'first impression' moment for Biden. Trump started out hard to hear too, but got better as time went on. Both showed age. Strangely, Biden appeared stronger in his voice at the 'after party.' If there is a second debate . . . we will have to see if Biden's chest voice shows up to support him
I don't think anybody won tonight. Definitely not the American voter.
The spin from the two sides over the next few weeks is gonna be huge... Maybe it's time to plan that trip to Portugal.
Trump said migrants are taking black jobs. Yes, black jobs. What the hell? We’d like to know what black jobs are.
Exactly, Blacks nor whites want those jobs. Our native born are to smart to do that hard work.
They're the same as brown, red, yellow and white jobs are....
Yet Trump labels them black. What does that tell you?
That he's trying to appeal to black voters. Why, what does it tell you?
It tells everyone with a thinking brain that he does not equate professional occupations with black people. Apparently black people are only suited for the service industry and migrants are taking their jobs. Why else would be isolate black people in that comment?
I must have missed that.....
So you don't think they are?
See 27.2.2
It says a lot that you don’t recognize racist dog whistles.
It says more that you think that you do.
So you should think the same when Biden said that blacks are unable to raise their children. (Notice no question mark)
Tell that to Black Twitter.
That they ain't black if they don't vote for Joe?
Trump is calling someone a liar!!!! Oh snap!
I kind of feel sorry for Joe right now.
Nah, that needed to happen..
Trump is flailing. Donald does nothing but lie and make shit up.
Biden is winning.
Trump is lying about everything. Everything.
It should be said that the CNN moderators are inadvertently humiliating themselves by allowing Trump to trample the truth.
It must be really bad if you are complaining that the moderators aren’t doing enough to save Joe.
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Trump just lied about winning golf championships.
You must be so proud.
And Biden lied about a 6 handicap, isn’t that important John?
Do you thinks that's Biden?...
in this context, of course.
Biden is physically old. His mind is fine.
You all have been lying about that.
Joe Biden, the 46th President of the United States, has an official golf handicap of 6.7 . Impressive, right? However, it’s worth noting that he hasn’t recorded an official score since 2018 , so his actual ability might be even better or perhaps a tad worse than what’s officially documented 1 2 . 🏌️♂️⛳
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Do you want to hear the facts of trump lying about his golf championships? I can get that for you too.
He hasn’t played golf in 6 years and you think he has a 6 handicap? That is ridiculous on it’s face.
Trump said he won 2 championships this year, so what did Newsweek get wrong?
He said what his handicap is.
He wasnt wrong.
Trump is lying when he says he won golf championships.
He wins because he enters golf tournaments, at his courses , where he is the only contestant.
We don't need someone to save our country. We need someone to say,
"Hey. Look at me. Would you not want to be like me?"
I would not want to be like either of them, but I would rather be like Biden than I would Trump.
www.palmbeachpost.com /story/news/trump/2024/03/25/after-claiming-he-won-two-club-championships-donald-trump-is-mocked-by-joe-biden/73098370007/
Donald Trump claims two more golf championships at Trump International West Palm Beach
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Not even spending most of his time in courtrooms attempting to defend himself from 88 felony counts can slow down Donald Trump's golf game.
The former president and Palm Beach resident boasted Sunday of adding two more championships to his long self-proclaimed list, saying on his social media site he won the Club Championship and Senior Club Championship at his course in West Palm Beach.
The post, which appeared on Truth Social, was sent during Trump International's awards night.
"It is my great honor to be at Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach tonight, AWARDS NIGHT, to receive THE CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY & THE SENIOR CLUB CHAMPIONSHIP TROPHY," the 77-year-old Trump wrote.
"I WON BOTH!"
The post concluded with Trump adding: "A large and golfing talented membership, a GREAT and difficult course, make the play very exciting. The qualifying and match play was amazing. A large and distinguished group will be there tonight. Very exciting, thank you!!!"
The post was mocked by President Joe Biden who reposted Trump.
"Congratulations, Donald. Quite the accomplishment," Biden wrote.
Trump's many claims about his golfing prowess have been met with much skepticism. A year ago, he bragged about having won the Senior Club Championship in West Palm Beach, despite not playing the first round of the tournament.
In August, he posted that he captured the Senior Club Championship at his course in Bedminster, New Jersey, by shooting a 67, a score that would have beaten all but six of the 144 rounds on that same course weeks earlier in a LIV Golf event.
Trump concluded that post by saying: "For some reason, I am just a good golfer/athlete - I have won many Club Championships, and it is always a great honor!"
Brian Jack, a MAGA Congressional candidate from Georgia, recently praised Trump for his golf skills by saying he "put to shame two professional golfers," by shooting "a 70 on 18 holes."
More: Donald Trump and golf: Fancy resorts, A-list partners, cheating at highest level
Trump bragging about his golfing exploits, and being accused of cheating on the course, goes back many years.
Those dubious claims on the course are legendary, and were the subject of a 2019 book by sportswriter Rick Reilly: "Commander in Cheat: How Golf Explains Trump."
"Trump doesn’t just cheat at golf," Reilly wrote. "He throws it, boots it, and moves it. He lies about his lies. He fudges and foozles and fluffs. At Winged Foot, where Trump is a member, the caddies got so used to seeing him kick his ball back onto the fairway they came up with a nickname for him: 'Pele.' ”
Trump, who honed his golf skills many weekends in West Palm Beach while serving as President, is a staunch supporter of LIV Golf and has played in many pro-ams leading up to LIV events held at his properties.
LIV is returning to Trump National Doral next week. Last October, though, Trump was a no-show for the LIV event in Doral, not even participating in the pro-am, which was held the day after Trump attended his civil fraud trial in New York. Trump is facing four criminal cases.
It is unknown if Trump will play the pro-am at Doral next week. But if he's not in court, he just may want to continue that decades-long hot streak he claims to be on … on the course, that is.
And even if he's not there, he still can say he won.
Tom D'Angelo is a senior sports columnist and golf writer for The Palm Beach Post. He can be reached at tdangelo@pbpost.com.
You're making me laugh!
You like pathological liars. Thats not my problem Vic.
It’s easy for many to call Trump’s lies out coherently but not for Joe.
Say that to me next week.
Thats not my problem Vic.
No, your problem is that slack jawed, glassy eyed clown who said he defeated Medicare and spoke to WWII veterans who died at Normandy.
Thank you JBB for the live coverage. I'll see you all in the morning.
Why wait til next week ? I'm saying it to you right now.
All Newsweek did was regurgitate Trump's press release.
Damn press is always in the bag for Repubs.
He's just a big fat lying cheat loser, like many of his supporters.
Come on man
Donald will have the 'reporter' out from Putin's Russia before he becomes president FREE! What the heck?!!! Talk is cheap.
Again, come on man
I like this format. I really do. I like how they recalculate the time left to answer further the question asked!
Donald is wistfully talking about he could have been great without being here to be president: No, you will be at court and possibly in prison!
Prediction: As it stands it now looks like Trump will win the election. (By a landslide …)
Dems only hope; Biden steps down and Dems find a new candidate.
Anyone still shilling for Biden after this performance…..
Are you even listening to Trump? Or are you just muting the tv when he speaks so as to not interrupt your thoughts on Biden?
They dont care that Trump cant stop lying. Bidens energy was disappointing. Trumps lying was pathological.
MAGA loves it. That is where our country is at.
Yes, I am "shilling" for Biden. I have heard nothing but lies and distortions from Trump, no matter what question was asked. Biden has mostly remained on point to the questions asked.
Does anyone still believe a word Trump says after this performance.
The Fact Checkers were overwhelmed.
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extra fact checkers called in to deal with trumps debate statements
No.
Biden is putting the World War III answer forward. If Donald is allowed to appease Putin's Russia, NATO will Article 5 Russia's ass.
So if NATO attacks Russia we should bail their sorry asses out?
Try the hell again. That is not the way a defense pact works.
Leave theory behind and try it in practice. And yes, I did notice the unremarkable 'twist' you put on the deployment of NATO's Article 5. Get real. Stop appeasing Putin. It's not a good look for democracy.
Donald is lying again, he would love to be somewhere else and not running for president. But Lordy, there are court cases! Donald needs this presidential 'gig.'
Biden got in the 'whiner' line! Hit Donald squarely in his big lying mouth!
By the second debate, Biden needs to get (if judged) a throat procedure to clear up whatever is going on with his throat! Get it done.
I heard on ABC after the debate that he had a cold.
I was mentioning that to my family. . .that he sounded like a 'frog' in his throat or a cold. Damn it! It should have been mentioned up front. First impression! Biden could have mentioned it (in passing).
Now here comes the 'score-card' keepers. . . the Media.
I know it’s hard, it was hard when I had to take my father’s driver’s license and move him out of his house.
Biden asked for this debate. He got more than he bargained for.
A lying sack of shit?
A big fat lying sack of shit loser hater.
A chance to show America just how bad he is and how much he and his crew have been lying about his mental decline.
What a disappointment. If Biden loses, Trump becomes president. What a mess.
Biden is old. Trump is mentally ill, or evil, take your pick.
The truth is we live in a degraded country. Who is going to step up?
I agree. My concern remains the same as it was prior to the debate. Trump being elected is unacceptable. This debate heightened my concern because low information and casual watchers who are deciding based on this debate would not see Biden in a great light.
Doesn't look like it will be voters, that's for sure!
That depends on how you watch. If you are watching or listening saying, "Oh, my! That was a zinger!" regardless of factual value, then Trump did well because he is physically more robust and more able to blather on. If you are watching or listening with an ear toward verifiable information, then Biden did much better.
Listening to the reaction, the problem exists in the minds of the electorate.
I am thinking of what someone who had not made up their mind at this point would know. My guess is that they do not pay much attention to politics and thus would be highly influenced by the optics.
What is more important, that they see Joe in a great light or in an accurate light so they can determine what to do next?
I think alot of people watched to see a train wreck. I think many were thinking the train wreck would be Trump not being able to hold back on the assholery. Instead the train wreck was some old guy that people now feel sorry for.
Accuracy is best. But the people I am referring to are not those who follow politics closely. Biden's state of the union performance was dramatically different than his debate performance. Those who assess Biden strictly on the debate will not have accurate information.
Of course, this was clearly stated in my comment:
Both men are mature Elderly. And it showed, now then, Biden may have been sick (cold) but whatever. It is what it is. Onward we are compelled to go!
A single debate, indeed, even a series of debates is only one ASPECT of a complete campaign. Onward to tomorrow we press!
I think it will be interesting to see if Biden will go forward and if Trump will go for a second debate or go with Bidens basement strategy that worked in 2020
Or maybe they did have accurate information. If low information and casual observers now see Joe as he was yesterday and become concerned enough to look on line for more examples there are plenty to be found.
And there are plenty of examples to the contrary.
I have held that Biden is too old to be PotUS since he chose to run over four years ago. But his performance last night was the worst I have seen him in a continuous presentation. As noted, this is dramatically different from his State of the Union.
Those who take last night as representative of Biden will be misinformed: accidentally or intentionally (confirmation bias).
That is precisely what is wrong with a large part of the electorate: If they are going to vote they need to educate themselves. This is not a reality TV show, it is a debate. The reason to observe debates is to decide who has the best information and recall on the topics at hand. As far as that goes, Biden was obviously the most clued in. All I heard come out of Trump were lies and extreme distortions, all to absolutely no call-out from the moderators.
I suspect Trump will refuse the second debate.
Apathy, naivety, and ignorance are the critical problems with the electorate. These factors enable large-scale manipulation of the (resulting) votes that end up electing crappy human beings in positions of power.
He can always change his mind
That would be a renege. And yes Donald has done things like not honor the debate format. It is what it is. Biden will have to do what he can/will. He is definitely not any way, form, shape, or fashion a novice to politics.
Of course, the dems move away during the first debates (Obama) and come back over the season. . . we're see what happens.
We saw the liar and the enfeeble face off, neither are fit to be president.
Holy Fuck, how big is the bus that the CNN analysts throwing Biden under?
How many times are they going to mention that he needs to go.
You better pray he doesnt go if you want Trump to be president.
John give it a rest, I have said several times I will not vote for either trump or Biden.
No, you'll just defend Trump to your last breath.
Facts aren’t a defense, you said he lied about the championships so I googled it and Newsweek was the first hit.
A real bad night for Biden.
A bad night for America. The moderators let Trump lie a couple hundred times.
They saved Biden 12 minutes in when he began to freeze.
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The moderators let Biden lie continuously as well.
Of course they may have not understood his answers to know that he was lying.
A bad night for our nation too.
A very good night for this country.
Gee, a whole week of preparation. As Trump put it: "I don't know what he just said, I'm not sure that he knew what he just said."
For those who wish to see a vindictive con-man narcissist as PotUS.
If the 'dems' don't drop Biden. . .the good news (as in the dismal first debate by Obama against Romney) there is always tomorrow to get it right. Furthermore, CNN just dipped into a Biden 'after party' and Biden's voice was stronger there. As for the stutter (and facial grimacing because of it) Biden is stuck with that. Let's just see if Biden gets kept through the 'fall-out.'
Also, Donald ain't going nowhere. MAGAs love their liar. And if they don't he won't concede to ever remove himself either.
I do not see how the Ds can drop Biden. They should have done that well before the primary season. Not now. Not unless they have some dynamic candidate who can step in and rally the nation around them. Who is that? I have no name (among career politicians).
Did hard Ds will vote for whoever is the nominee so the trick is to find a candidate who will attract the independents and at least some of the never-Trumpers. I suppose it is possible but it seems unlikely. But we are in very strange times so I suppose it is best to not rule out even the wildest of twists and turns.
To me, it would be hard to pick a D that would not be better for the nation than Trump. But I have to wonder if most independents think similarly.
There are many Democrats in Congress who could dismantle Trump in one sitting.
Dan Goldman would be a good one.
Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro would be another.
The country , and the media, have normalized Trump, and the CNN moderators proved that.
I agree that any number of Ds could destroy Trump in a debate.
The question is if anyone can replace Biden at this late stage. On that point, what is your opinion?
Who tells Joe and Kamala?
Governor Newsome is looking so 'shiny and so new' right now.
What would Independent say about him? Also, the media (David Axelrod) is saying Biden would have to concede as he is the presumptive nominee. . .he can't be simply replaced. We're see what the 'big wigs' do or if they stand pat for the next hopefully better debate. Snuffy, is 'reporting' that a news agency is sharing that Biden has a cold.
It disappoints me that Gavin Newsome is looking good at this point.
But Newsome v. Trump is a no-brainer for Newsome.
The next week or two will tell the tale.
Because of the dire threat and unacceptability of a Trump presidency I think the electorate would accept a new candidate at this late date.
Whether Biden could be convinced to step down is the big question.
Well now if Biden has a cold and that is certainly possible considering his voice was definitely not properly calibrated as it as on the State of the Union. . . .he really did take it to Donald otherwise, in my humble opinion.
Exactly. The reason Biden is the presumptive nominee is because he wanted to be. It is extremely difficult for a political machine to deny incumbency. That, to me, is the primary reason Biden is the presumptive nominee. It is hard to imagine the D operatives wanted Biden to run for a second term.
But, then again, it is hard to imagine why the GOP has sold its soul to Trump.
He did not, CB. He tried, but was ineffective and missed many opportunities.
I loved Biden's attack on Trump's state's right to manage abortions. Admittedly, I got detracted by a phone call right at that point but I heard it in replay. A cold can do many things to the mind. . . fogginess is one. Just saying. I can't prove or disprove it. But, it makes sense. Some years ago during my acting days (yes, I was local performer) I had a cold and was forced to delivery my lines in a fog and with a throat like what I heard from Joe tonight. I have never forgotten how I got through it. So when I say I can believe it could be an inopportune cold (head congestion) I really mean it. (Though, I can't possibly know what is happening with Biden, but for he did not sound like himself!)
TiG, I feel that I may be misunderstood here and need to go the extra distance. I don't know why the Dems' political machine is running the incumbent candidate in his early 80s. That's not my job to know. I will support anybody that runs against a dedicated liar who relies on sensationalism and the laziness of others to not take the time or interest to separate truth from fantasy. If the dems run a different candidate this cycle I will support that potentially more youthful member, because from my perspective I can't easily tolerate the lies and the flouting of everything about this country that is good by someone who simply wants to manipulate the system to his and his people's advantage. While doing great harm to me and those I value—as worthwhile people.
If that is Biden so be it. If it is not Biden then so be it. Donald can never win my vote (without a complete character makeover. . . he has demonstrated time and time again that he does not care to do so.
I can accept that your perspective is different from mine (as we come at this from different orientations and potentially allowances. Principally, Donald is stealing in plain sight to me. . . I see Donald as stealing from others (including me) physically, mentally, emotionally, spiritually, socially, culturally, etceteras. I could not vote for Donald if I tried, as a result.
What happened to Kamala Harris?
Why presumptive? The DNC has already made him the nominee without the convention so he could be on the Ohio ballot.
The democrats have already held their primaries, and Biden won them and the delegates have been awarded, according to the DNC rules those delegates are obligated to vote for him. the only one who can remove Joe is Joe.
Per Dem Party rules the delegates won during the primary are pledged to vote for that person only. Biden would have to formally quit and back someone else before the Party nomination vote.
That formal vote has not taken place yet, nor has a date been announced for when it will take place.
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That sounds like everything #34 says
Other than gratuitous nit-picking, do you have a point?
I think the only person that could talk him out of running is Obama and Michelle would have to run as his replacement. Joe may go with that and she may very well beat Trump.
Why is she the only option?
I don't think Joe will leave for anyone else to take his place unless Barack tells him to step down for his wife. Of course that is just conjecture on my part.
Strange that you think that is the only option.
Also, I can't locate it now but that "taskbar" newsfeed some or all of us possess on our computer lower right menu, recently displayed a statement from former president Obama that he does not encourage his wife, Michelle, to enter the political arena.
I can understand why: Politics, as it is currently being done, is STUPID. The media is like a panting 'arena' of jackals sitting with bated breath to tear apart any participant that falters-even with an accidental misstatement. And, the lying, scandal, oppo is contemptible. Truth does not matter. Good intentions do not matter. It's toxic.
The Surgeon General should issue a warning label about politics being toxic to the soul and spirit! Because it is.
Best option and quite possibly the only one that Joe would agree to. I don't think he can count on his wife to get him to step down and I don't believe the Dems have the balls to do it or they would have already. I don't think the dems have a bench and Barack isn't going to push for one of them.
Privately I think Biden should step down, take his laurels, and go home to age gracefully. Leave the political "devil may care' arena behind. That said, it is what it is.
BTW, it is high time this country count the cost of what it is doing to 'regular' folks who simply want to do what is best for their country's existence, growth, and furtherance. There are two many forces aligned at any given time against positivity in the political arena. . . that will not accept good for its own sake, but persist in tearing down, undermining, and ruining the participants who try their best to win for all the people and not just a political side or tribe.
Time for deep reflection on why we have two truly old individuals running for an office that a 35 years old can achieve. . . is it because many good people simply don't want the destruction of their souls and minds, their families too, to a process/office that seemingly now has outsmarted itself and is more often than not being re-oriented toward corrupting influences of money and power.
I think the best option is for the Ds to have hit their breaking point and now confront Biden. But to do that, they need an alternative. Michelle will not run. And Obama also has not acted yet either so your logic of ‘would have already done it’ does not hold water.
There are too many ways for this to go so speculation is a bit pointless. I would be quite surprised if the Ds switch to someone else at this stage, but we are living in extremely strange political times so I will not rule anything out.
I would personally like a viable option … someone I could vote for rather than merely voting against Trump. But that is very wishful thinking.
That's it right there - gratuitous nit-picking - perfect description of lots of folks here
I have to wonder how many independents leaning toward biden, how many people that said they would vote for biden because he is not as bad as the other guy and even people that said they would vote for neither are rethinking things
That of course is my concern. Too many people focus on optics and do not consider (or possibly even know) the details when comparing Trump and Biden in terms of harm to this nation.
“…but we are living in extremely strange political times…”
Desperate times call for desperate measures. An old adage, but the circumstances we face certainly qualify.
At this late hour, it will take extraordinary courage and extraordinary leadership to restore at least a semblance of hope..,and perhaps that effort will convince enough to make the choice to leave this aberration to the history books.
“Out of the fires of desperation burn hope and solidarity.” ~ Sharan Burrow
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you're forgetting that in maga world, one bombed debate performance totally negates inciting an insurrection, absconding with classified materials and refusing to return them, and 34 felony convictions...
The MAGA world does not factor into my thinking ... they are a lost cause when its comes to reasoning with them.
Michele Obama would be great, she is intelligent, she has charisma, and she wouldnt take any shit from Trump, but she doesnt seem to want the slings and arrows of being a politician. In this atmosphere who can blame her?
Yes, maybe Americans are getting what they’ve earned.
You would. Not that it matters you were not going to vote for Joe anyway.
Joe and his counterparts have to make the message clear, one debate a campaign season does not make. Just ask, Barack! Hell, you can ask Donald too about his first one! (Even though, he ended up losing several more debates after that initial one.) Of course, the usual suspects are silent when it comes to any of Donald's failures which are 'legion.'
For the record, Donald can NOT win a presidency because his opponent has a rough night (of cold, whatever, or something else). Donald is still the biggest liar and most prolific liar in recent memory. . . normal people don't give value points for being so.
There are no 'participation' points for being a SPECTACULAR liar's 'performance.' Let's remind our friends and frenemies of that one significant thing.
Do you think there is any chance that she would run?
Possibly , if she really thought trump was going to win and Joe was willing to drop out for her
I hope she does not! Her husband, Barack has asked her to not do it. Apparently, politics has turned into a zero-sum game of destruction (in and out of the history books). . .y'all need a new punching bag. . go to the politics section of a sporting good store.
Biden put to rest, the lie that he would be pumped up on drugs.
Trump just can’t keep from lying even when winning, Trump can’t project leadership.
An embarrassing performance in front of the world.
The latest from the Biden campaign "he had a cold."
I've had colds, but I've been able to look people in the eye.
Biden put to rest, the lie that he would be pumped up on drugs
i agree with your other points, but his unblinking stares point In the other direction. I just think he’s kind of past the point he can fake being normal for hours.
the next four years are going to be a disaster with either one of these two as president.
Biden proved his mind is fine.
His body is old.
Trump looks young but his mind is a sewer in a cyclone.
Better to have the sound mind.
Did you actually type that without laughing?
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He was clearly diminished from four years ago?
He may have been sedated but certainly was not “pumped up”.
If anyone here thinks Biden won tonight you should send the reason why to the CNN crew because they are burying him with the fact that he sucked tonight.
On the plus side, it’s impossible to intellectually lose a debate with an opponent who has nothing but lies and bullying behavior.
On the negative side, it’s impossible for anyone intellectually coherent, to fail to win a debate with that opponent.
The country should be very worried.
It sounds like you are suggesting that Trump did not lose this.
You are forgetting about the idiocracy.
Trump didn’t win for all the lies and lack of leadership but he controlled himself and stayed awake.
Biden lost what he wanted to achieve.
I saw two runners running a race. One got tired and did not cross the finish line. The other did not cross the finish line either, because he ran the wrong direction.
I saw one exceed expectations and one didn’t.
Correct - running in the wrong direction actually exceeded my expectations of him tripping over his own two feet and face planting into the concrete.
Trump lied as was expected and told over two lies for every lie Biden told. I don’t know about the wrong direction, Trump achieved his limited objectives.
Biden failed to project vigor and stamina. He come off as confused and unable to use Trump’s lies against him:
When you avoid answering every direct question you are running in the wrong direction. Just about every opportunity he had to answer a question directed to him, he started with “I’d like to go back to what he just said”. I was particularly interested in his response to if he plans on deporting every noncitizen and how he plans to do that, since that’s the kind of trash he is feeding his supporters. He dodged that immediately and they let him get away with it.
That said, I don’t disagree that Biden had a bad night. Perhaps he will be persuaded to step aside now.
Not unexpected, it was up to Joe to call him on that but he failed.
But he looked like a completely different person today at a rally in NC, even admitting how bad he did last night, ( still coughing ) he accepted the fact that he failed and he promised to do better to a cheering standing ovation.
Don't forget, both Bush and Obama lost opening debates that should have been slam dunks and neither realized they lost until the next day. And both corrected those mistakes. Biden still has time, as does the DNC.
As I watched Trump repeating the same nonsense over and over and not answering the questions, I was reminded of the night Kennedy debated Nixon and no one really paid any attention to what either of them said. We all remember Nixon melting under the lights, little else.
Yes, it was all about the optics.
The golf debate might have been the most lucid of the evening.
If Biden is a 6 then I’m scratch
If Trump has legitimately won a competitive golf tournament I'm Michael Jordan.
What’s that got to do with Biden telling another lie?
Also the dumbest.
Who cares what either one of those fossils scores on a round of golf?
The Border patrol just tweeted: We have not, and never will endorse Biden for President.
Did they all use the same phone? /s
CBS reports some House Dems now talking about asking Biden to step aside .
On CNN, they are saying that Dems are panicked over Biden's performance.
Do you think his handlers will let Biden do another debate?
So how do the democrats get rid of Kamala without looking racist? Biden obviously needs to be replaced, but how does one get the VP to quietly disappear?
The first excuse is out, Biden had a cold. Will this excuse have legs?
Yes a cold always causes brain freeze in me as well.
It was reported before the debate and he was still coughing today at a rally in NC that was very well received.
He admitted that he had a bad night.
I don't believe the other candidate has that capacity.
Biden had an extremely enthusiastic crowd today. Far more than the cultists Trump attracts.
Hilary had that health scare in 2016 as well.
That what you get for not running a Primary.
If Jill really loves Joe, she needs to level with him.
Melania doesn’t care enough to be in Atlanta.
If they send Biden out for the second debate his campaign needs to be charged with elder abuse.
Donald will likely not agree to another, he doesn’t need a redo.
Your comment is bogus. We can be honest about Biden. MAGAs stand with Donald and his 'boatload' of lies. One has to wonder if a 'side-order' of some kind would go good with Donald's dinner of lies, them lies, and damn lies.
Sigh….
Ditto.
Ignoring again all of Biden's lies?
If his mumbling lips were moving he was lying.
The moderators didn't call out either of them.
Trumps campaign against CNN and those two "moderators" worked.
They were intimidated and sat on their hands,
or their hands were full because Tapper had to switch the microphones off and on
while Bash used her Pinkey to direct the candidates when it was their turn.
Seems that people who talk for a living can't multifunction with their hands.
They failed big time.
Trump gets all the media breaks.
See #65 (it's been up since yesterday).
Seems that way at times.
I wasn't going to comment on this article but when I read that one I burst out laughing and I can't stop.
Almost as funny as how many times Trump claimed his administration, military, policies, clean H2O and air, oil production and energy from all sources was the best there has ever been, over and over, "the best in history".
And the moron thinks that 0% inflation is a good thing. It's a sign of a dead economy.
SMH
Well, I wouldn't vote for either of them, and since I'm NOT an American I have no loyalties to any American political party and I'm capable of laughing at what I think is funny no matter if the topic is Trump or Biden or Republican or Democrat or conservative or liberal.
Donald NEVER has a proper excuse for lying every other even/odd statement. He even threw in the debunked Ukraine Barisma investigation.
What kept Biden from bringing it up, a complete disgrace.
lol project 2025 …… the boogieman ….. woooooo!
With all of Trump's actions and words we have seen over the years, I find it amazing that Democrats are reduced to imagining shit like that.
Perhaps even CNN get that the majority of us aren't concerned about that crap.
Why worry so much about something that isn't happening?
Did anyone ask the traitor about 1/6?
Several times, he deflected to blame Pelosi.
Of course. A lie.
A major disconnect was that few believed that Trump would suddenly tell the truth while more believed that Biden would wake up.
I won't go as far as saying Trump won the debate, but I will say Biden lost it.
CNN Flash Poll: Majority of debate watchers say Trump won debate over Biden
Registered voters who watched Thursday’s debate between President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump say, 67% to 33%, that Trump turned in a better performance.
We don't need a performance (especially one packed with lies), well because, the truth will nearly always be less exciting than a fake set of achievements and "trophies." We need a truth-teller to lead us. Let us know when the MAGA party begins supporting such a one.
Almost have to wonder--is this CNN's last dying gasp to stay relevant?
But on Wednesday 100% of conservatives believed Trump that the debate was fixed and the moderators would screw him over.
Can't post this IMPORTANT video yet (not on Youtube that I can find), but y'all need to hear Daniel Dale explain Biden's 9 lies and Donald's 35 lies.
(And if/when you do listen to the video, note that Daniel does not count the lie Donald uttered on stage that he did not have sex with Ms. Stormy Daniels.)
Leave it to you to believe a porn star with zero credibility that has already been nailed in court and owes Trump millions.
yeah, how would he have time to nail a porn star when he was busy humping a playboy bunny...
Wow. I can't deal with this. It's too much.
Whomsoever your group is goes to court. . .and eats the judge.
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oh, the irony...
If you are going to just detach and go with talking points: Just say so. The Bottom Line: Unfortunately, if you get the courts whomsoever your group is wants ,the rest of us will protest the hell out of it. We have no intentions of giving up our (new found) freedoms, liberties, and privileges to whomsoever your group is. If your group think that once we have tasted true freedom from being under whomsoever your group is control over us as liberals, y'all are delusional. Like it or lump it.
Traitor Joe:
Sorry Joey. Facts say otherwise. You are responsible for quite a few hundred deaths. Military AND civilian just in his horrid retreat from Afghanistan.
It's not like Traitor Joe would remember. He was to busy checking his watch like he had more important things to do when the Soldiers and Marines that were killed come home.
Wow. So let's just pick Donald to be president because he is an international peacekeeper. /s His style of conflict is better portrayed by keeping domestic disharmony, division, and disarray. Wars don't stage themselves based on what U.S. president is serving, Jeremy. It's simply not how that works.
Sounds like I hit a nerve calling Joey out on a blatant lie.
No! It sounds like you are taunting me and I don't appreciate it or deserve it. I offered you what I have already with a proper explanation. Move back into the heart of the discussion now.
I called out Biden for a lie, you went straight to the "but Trump" deflections.
I did not watch the debates, but my newsfeed this morning was completely filled with Trump lied and Biden died - Dems are horrified articles.
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Hard to believe there are stupider shitheads than him but you got that right.
An accurate two-word summary.
RIP Joe, enjoy your remaining years out of the spotlight