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Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene had $183,504 in PPP loans forgiven.

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Greene: For our government just to say ok your debt is completely forgiven.. it’s completely unfair

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JohnRussell
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1  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
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Congressman Matt Gaetz had $482,321 in PPP loans forgiven.
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JohnRussell
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1.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

There may be an argument to be made against the student loan forgiveness program, but it cant be made by the likes of MTG and Matt Gaetz. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1.1    4 weeks ago
There may be an argument to be made against the student loan forgiveness program, but it cant be made by the likes of MTG and Matt Gaetz. 

MTG would have a difficult time making the argument that 2+2=4.

However the PPP loan comparison should be avoided.

In order for a PPP loan to be forgiven, you had to demonstrate that the money was spent saving the jobs of your sub $100k working class employees.

Student loans are being forgiven on the backs of working-class employees.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2  Nerm_L  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago
Congressman Matt Gaetz had $482,321 in PPP loans forgiven.

Did Greene and Gaetz ask for their PPP loans to be forgiven?  Will Greene and Gaetz apply to have their PPP loans forgiven?

Biden's student loan forgiveness is an appeal to greed and not based upon principles.  Biden is assuming that people are motivated by base instincts rather than by any consideration of right/wrong.  Biden is handing out dog treats to people who think like dogs.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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1.2.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    4 weeks ago
Biden is assuming that people are motivated by base instincts rather than by any consideration of right/wrong.

He would be right  !

He needs more AOC, Omar, Pressley and Tlaib Types. 

Bernie Sanders types are starting to see what's REALLY behind the curtain in Joes OZ !

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    4 weeks ago
Did Greene and Gaetz ask for their PPP loans to be forgiven?

Were they forced to apply for, then accept the money?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.3  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.2    4 weeks ago

Did they, like everyone else, have employees they needed to maintain for fear of losing them if they weren't paid? Why yes. Yes they did.......................That was the point of the program

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.4  Nerm_L  replied to  Ozzwald @1.2.2    4 weeks ago
Were they forced to apply for, then accept the money?

I'm not aware of anyone being forced to apply for PPP loans.  But obviously PPP loans weren't intended to be free money, either.

What is amazing is how easily liberals abandon collective ideas.  Repaying PPP loans replenishes the program for future needs by others.  Simply taking the money and running denies others resources they might need.  That's a 'good for me, too bad for you' attitude.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.5  Ender  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2    4 weeks ago

How did Gaetz get the 'loans' when he is only a stake holder.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.6  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

What employees did Gaetz and Greene have who wouldn't get paid?  Their Congressional staffers?  No, no they didn't.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.7  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

Gaetz and Greene took the money and ran.  They could have repaid it, but they didn't.  Never put it past reactionaries to display a 'good for me, too bad for you' attitude.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.8  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.6    4 weeks ago

It more than likely was companies they have interest in and in the wisdom of liberals, they would be a nice scapegoat for said companies taking of the loans with Gaetz and  MTG as the boogie wo/man

And you don't think that staff were affected?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.9  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.6    4 weeks ago
hat employees did Gaetz and Greene have who wouldn't get paid? Their Congressional staffers?  No, no they didn't.

They own businesses.  How else do you think they qualified?  It's pretty obvious.  

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.10  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.9    4 weeks ago

What business does Gaetz own? On his disclosures it only lists property and stocks. Him owning stakes in a company should not make him the one that gets loans.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.11  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @1.2.10    4 weeks ago
What business does Gaetz own? On his disclosures it only lists property and stocks. Him owning stakes in a company should not make him the one that gets loans.

If he has personal staff that he pays, then he could qualify.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
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1.2.12  Ozzwald  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.3    4 weeks ago

Why yes. Yes they did.......................That was the point of the program

Are you even aware of how insanely hypocritical your reply is?

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.13  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.7    4 weeks ago
Gaetz and Greene took the money and ran.  They could have repaid it, but they didn't.  Never put it past reactionaries to display a 'good for me, too bad for you' attitude.

So, Biden wants liberals to be like Greene and Gaetz?  You're arguing that Biden is trying to be a bigger grifter than Greene and Gaetz.  And Biden did just make a lot of people with PPP loans just like Greene and Gaetz according to your argument.  Biden turned Greene and Gaetz into the model for PPP loans.  That's what you're arguing.

To hell with the future of the PPP loan program.  Biden wants everyone to be just like Greene and Gaetz.  And Biden wants it now.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.2.14  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

Bingo

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.2.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @1.2.10    4 weeks ago
On his disclosures it only lists property and stock

I assume he owns a business. Either way he has  employees. That's how he qualified for forgiveness, he paid the required percentage in wages. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.16  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.7    4 weeks ago

That's all today's republicans are doing like Gaetz and Taylor-Greene, grifting their supporters for every penny they can grift

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.17  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.2.15    4 weeks ago

Doesn't read like he owns a business to me.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.18  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

If that is how he got the loans, the program was flawed.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.2.19  GregTx  replied to  Ender @1.2.18    4 weeks ago

What? Another government program that was flawed? Bite your tongue....

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.20  Ender  replied to  GregTx @1.2.19    4 weeks ago

Ha. I have actually said that from the beginning. When the wealthy were getting all the loans while the mom and pop shops were left in the cold.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.2.21  GregTx  replied to  Ender @1.2.20    4 weeks ago

Alot of mom and pops got 'em as well they just didn't have the resources that larger companies did to keep keeping on...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.22  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @1.2.18    4 weeks ago
If that is how he got the loans, the program was flawed.

Why?

The program was designed to protect people who work for small employers.   In order to get the loan, you had to show payroll documentation on your employees.  In order to get the loans forgiven, you had to show documentation that you paid their wages.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.23  Ender  replied to  Jack_TX @1.2.22    4 weeks ago

Sorry but I see a difference in a shop owner having a bunch of employees and some wealthy congressman with personal assistants.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.24  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @1.2.23    4 weeks ago

Can you also see the difference between student loan forgiveness and the PPP?

Can you see the idiocy of comparing the two?

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.25  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.24    4 weeks ago

I see both as calling on the government to help.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.26  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @1.2.25    4 weeks ago
I see both as calling on the government to help.

Pretty much a non-answer there!

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.27  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.26    4 weeks ago

Uh huh. Of course they are not exactly the same things yet they are both government programs made to give relief. I could be nitpicky and say people had different kinds of loans yet still the fact remains they are governments programs designed to bail people out.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.28  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @1.2.27    4 weeks ago

One program was designed to not be repaid in large part while the other was not originally.

One had Congressional approval and one did not.

For one, the legality was never in question, while the other is in question.

One was intended to keep people employed while the other is just bailing people out of their legal debt.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.29  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @1.2.25    4 weeks ago

Exactly, on the one hand, Congress voted to appropriate the funds, on the other, the President decreed it by fiat. 

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.30  Ender  replied to  Texan1211 @1.2.28    4 weeks ago

You can bark about your reasons all you want.

Funny though you never once asked me if I was for the program or against it.

So I am going to take it as that you see me as Liberal so I am automatically for it.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.31  Gsquared  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.2.8    4 weeks ago

And in the wisdom of conservatives... oh wait... at least that was good for a laugh...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.2.32  Texan1211  replied to  Ender @1.2.30    4 weeks ago
You can bark about your reasons all you want.

Silly response noted.

Funny though you never once asked me if I was for the program or against it.

You are correct. Nor did I assume you were for or against it.

So I am going to take it as that you see me as Liberal so I am automatically for it.

You do as you wish, but absolutely nothing I have written to you in this thread warrants such a sentiment from you.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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1.2.33  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ender @1.2.23    4 weeks ago

Were these Congressional personnel assistants or employees of business owned by Congress  members.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.2.34  Ender  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @1.2.33    4 weeks ago

What? I am not even the one that suggested that. My point was who would he have to pay when on his disclosure forms he only owns stock in a couple of business. Last I thought, stock holders don't do payroll.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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1.2.35  Gsquared  replied to  Nerm_L @1.2.13    4 weeks ago

Nope, I didn't argue any of that.  

Gaetz and Greene are elitists who took large sums of money that they could have repaid.  The student loan forgiveness program only involves $10,000, and $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients.  The majority of those who will benefit have household incomes of less than $75,000 per year.   No comparison whatsoever.

There is one thing we agree on though, Greene and Gaetz are most definitely grifters.  

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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1.2.36  Nerm_L  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.35    4 weeks ago
Nope, I didn't argue any of that.  

Of course you did by using Greene and Gaetz as models for comparison.

Gaetz and Greene are elitists who took large sums of money that they could have repaid.  The student loan forgiveness program only involves $10,000, and $20,000 for Pell Grant recipients.  The majority of those who will benefit have household incomes of less than $75,000 per year.   No comparison whatsoever.

Pell grants are not loans.  Pell grants don't need to be repaid.  If the education paid for with loans does not provide the means to repay those loans then what is the value of that education?

Seems like students have been deliberately misinformed.  

There is one thing we agree on though, Greene and Gaetz are most definitely grifters. 

With a stroke of a pen Biden just made people with unpaid student loans just like Greene and Gaetz.  Biden put them all on the same wagon.  That's your argument and not mine.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.37  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @1.2.23    4 weeks ago
Sorry but I see a difference in a shop owner having a bunch of employees and some wealthy congressman with personal assistants.

Well, his maid, cook and au pair still had rent to pay, but they were prohibited from working during the early lockdown days.

You may not like who they work for, but they had to eat, too.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.38  Jack_TX  replied to  Ender @1.2.27    4 weeks ago
Of course they are not exactly the same things

They're not anywhere close to the same things.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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1.2.39  Jack_TX  replied to  Gsquared @1.2.35    4 weeks ago
The majority of those who will benefit have household incomes of less than $75,000 per year.

That math doesn't work out like you think it does.

   No comparison whatsoever.

Correct.  The majority of PPP money did actually go to people with household incomes less than $75k.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1    4 weeks ago

Imagine thinking the PPP program passed by Congress and Biden's unilateral loan forgiveness are remotely comparable.

This might be the dumbest attempted deflection ever. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3    4 weeks ago

One is legal, one is not.

One was an emergency program designed to alleviate the effects of the government shutting down businesses during a once in a century pandemic.   One has existed for generations. 

One solved an emergency situation. One did nothing but give money to voters and made no attempt to solve the underlying problem

One was designed by Congress to be forgiven. One was not.

One required the recipient to give a significant percentage to others to be forgiven. One did not. 

And on and on...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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1.3.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.1    4 weeks ago

Did Marjorie Greene and Gaetz pay back their "loans?"

Apparently not. They have zero right to complain about other people not paying back loans. Period, end of story. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.3.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    4 weeks ago
Did Marjorie Greene and Gaetz pay back their "loans?"

Why would they? The program was designed as a grant. 

hey have zero right to complain about other people not paying back loans.

Are they attacking people for accepting forgiveness? Seems to me they are criticizing the Biden for an illegal act, that solves no problems and will cost up to a trillion dollars.  PPP was an emergency program designed to relieve pressure on state unemployment systems by using employers as middlemen in the middle of a shutdown caused by a once a century pandemic. They are not remotely similar. 

For your point to make sense on even a surface level, they'd have to be attacking borrowers who accept forgiveness, rather than Joe Biden for illegally offering it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.4  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.3    4 weeks ago
Why would they? The program was designed as a grant.

Some folks insist on comparing apples to tennis balls.

 
 
 
GregTx
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1.3.5  GregTx  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3.3    4 weeks ago

And all the info still readily available on the SBA website...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.6  Texan1211  replied to  GregTx @1.3.5    4 weeks ago

Yes, it is, and it EXPLAINS how the PPP is basically a grant for qualifying borrowers.

Comparing the PPP to forgiving college loan debt is seriously fucked up as they are nothing alike.

From the SBA:

Recipients of the PPP loans can qualify to have their debt forgiven if within 8 or 24 weeks they use at least 60% of the funds for payroll costs, with the rest eligible to be spent on eligible business mortgage interest payments, business rent or lease payments, and business utility payments.

While there have been some concerns about the inability of certain business types to qualify for forgiveness, the vast majority of businesses are expected to have the majority or all of their PPP loan forgiven by the SBA, effectively making it a grant.
 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.7  Texan1211  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.3    4 weeks ago
This might be the dumbest attempted deflection ever. 

Might?

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Jack_TX
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1.3.8  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @1.3.2    4 weeks ago
Did Marjorie Greene and Gaetz pay back their "loans?" Apparently not. They have zero right to complain about other people not paying back loans. Period, end of story. 

I'm sure it could look that way....provided you had absolutely no idea how PPP worked.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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1.3.9  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @1.3.8    4 weeks ago
I'm sure it could look that way....provided you had absolutely no idea how PPP worked.

Seems like lots of folks are ignorant about the PPP and are confusing it with Biden forgiving student loan debts.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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Serena Williams won her first round match in what is widely expected to be her last professional tennis tournament. She was honored with video tributes and flowery speeches after the match , since most experts think she will lose her next match in the Open, which will be against the #2 ranked player in the world this year. 

This might be a nice time to check out the movie King Richard, which is the story of how the Williams sisters became tennis prodigies under the stern demands of their father (and mother). 

 
 
 
Ender
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3  Ender    4 weeks ago

i can say things local. In Jackson the water is collapsing. An old system that is broken down and now thousands of people are out of water.

The governor constantly says that the state is flush with cash yet they cannot even maintain or built a new water plant.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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3.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @3    4 weeks ago

Waiting for the feds to foot the bill probably. 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
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3.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago
Waiting for the feds to foot the bill probably. 

Just tell Joe it's all about GROWING his Popularity Rating !

He'll do it !

 
 
 
Ender
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3.1.2  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @3.1    4 weeks ago

I wouldn't doubt it. Our governor having his hand out while complaining about the feds at the same time.

He has the nickname of tatertot.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3.1.3  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ender @3    4 weeks ago

I saw that on the news today. I feel bad for the people of Jackson

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.1  Ender  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2    4 weeks ago

About 150k people without water.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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4  Split Personality    4 weeks ago

Christians insist that "In God We Trust" is not Christian.

Oddly the TX legislature felt it necessary to pass a law explicitly allowing properly framed posters of 

"In God We Trust" to be accepted and displayed by all TX schools.

Even more oddly a mobile phone company, Patriot Mobile owned by "rw conservative Christians"

then started donating said posters to various North Texas school district which were required

by law to accept and display them.  

But when similar posters written in Arabic were presented to the school board they declined, in essence breaking the law.

Southlake schools rejects ‘In God We Trust’ signs featuring rainbows, Arabic (msn.com)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Split Personality @4    4 weeks ago
But when similar posters written in Arabic were presented to the school board they declined, in essence breaking the law.

I assume the god fearing people of that school district will be granted some sort of exemption to the law. jrSmiley_124_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
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4.2  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @4    4 weeks ago

I have to laugh when people say it is not religious as it encompasses all religions....

 
 
 
Ender
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5  Ender    4 weeks ago

Another local...

Four MS Coast restaurants fail health inspections, two with bugs or rodents present

Ugh. I can say I have never eaten at the ones listed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @5    4 weeks ago

To be "fair" to Mississippi, the same thing happens all over the country from time to time. 

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.1  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    4 weeks ago

Believe it or not I am certified for restaurant management.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.2  author  JohnRussell  replied to  Ender @5.1.1    4 weeks ago

Interesting. 

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.3  Ender  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.2    4 weeks ago

It's not that hard really. Just go through the Serv Safe program. Mostly common sense.

I have a certificate...Haha

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @5.1.3    4 weeks ago

ergo, you are an expert witness, a Master perhaps, lol.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.5  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.4    4 weeks ago

I don't eat there very often but the one thing I like about the Waffle house is you can see them make your food.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.6  Split Personality  replied to  Ender @5.1.5    4 weeks ago

I remember 50-40 years ago it was always where the homeless spent their days

and the men and women behind the counter wore hair nets and smoked while they 

cooked...

and the popo stopped in like clockwork for their free coffee.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.1.7  Ender  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.6    4 weeks ago

Ha.  A year or so ago I was at one in Jackson and several cops came in and sat at the counter.

 
 
 
Hallux
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6  Hallux    4 weeks ago

How everything went downhill on Day 6:

512

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Joe Biden just called for a complete ban of assault rifles in the U.S. 

 
 
 
JBB
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8  JBB    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
JBB
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9  JBB    4 weeks ago

original

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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10  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
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David Schlomer
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Just heard Ben Collins say that QAnons refer to trump as GEOTUS - God Emperor of the US. This is really scary.
 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

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Buzz of the Orient
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12  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

My son has a Bachelor's and a Master's degree and is now enjoying a highly successful career.  He paid off his student loans.  My daughter has a Bachelor's and TWO Master's degrees and is now enjoying a highly successful career.  Can they have their repayments refunded to them, you know just to be fair to them?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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13  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Psychopathic lunatic loser Rudy Giuliani calls Donald Trump "the most charismatic" politician in American history and the voice of the Republican Party.

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JohnRussell
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14  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago
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Conservative podcaster Steve Bannon on Tuesday agreed with former President Donald Trump's   plan to retake the White House   by nullifying President Joe   Biden 's 2020 win with a "new election."

"We're never giving up," Bannon told Rudy Giuliani on his   War Room: Pandemic   podcast. "Trump put up last night that, hey, because of the   Hunter   [ Biden ] situation, because the FBI guy either getting fired or quitting, because of   Facebook saying the FBI told them not to do it   that he wants -- that he won and he wants another election immediately."

Giuliani reacted with a loud cackle.

Bannon said that Trump will take power because 2020 electors cannot be certified for   Biden   -- even though the electors were legally certified before the president's inauguration.

"You're going to not be able to certify the   Biden   electors and by not certifying the   Biden   electors, the Electoral Count Act of 1887 and our beloved Constitution have a way that what's supposed to happen," he opined. "That is a contingent election where you vote by state party delegation. And guess what? Even with Liz Cheney of Wyoming voting for the Democrats, I think we still win 26-24."

"So let's do it," the podcaster added. "Let's start the contingent election this week. Let's do it. That's what we should do. And, MSNBC, suck on that."

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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14.1  author  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @14    4 weeks ago

These dipshits believe if not for not enough attention paid to Hunter Biden Trump would have won the election.

Tens of thousands of Republican voters in Georgia voted for all the GOP candidates in 2020 except Trump. They left the line for president on the ballot blank. 

Does that sound like people who were looking for a reason to vote for Trump again? 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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14.1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @14.1    4 weeks ago
Tens of thousands of Republican voters in Georgia voted for all the GOP candidates in 2020 except Trump. They left the line for president on the ballot blank. 

They left PotUS blank. Meaning they couldn't vote for Mr. Biden either......................

And it wasn't just Georgia.......................

Betty Robertshaw paused for a few moments in the voting booth, the last four years of Donald Trump’s polarizing presidency and the campaign blitzes from recent months still fresh in her mind.

A registered Independent, the 73-year-old from the suburbs of Philadelphia had voted for candidates on both sides of the ticket, leaning slightly to the right. She quickly went down the list, filling in her favorites for Congress, state and local races. 

Then, Robertshaw left without casting a vote for either of the presidential candidates headlining the ballot. 

She did not support Trump’s policies on social issues and erratic behavior from the White House. But she worried President-elect Joe Biden was too old and she was not a fan of his pick for vice president.

“I just felt that I could not give my vote to either person,” said Robertshaw, who did not vote for president four years ago either. “I just couldn’t do it. I did what I had to do for my conscience.”

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.2  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.1.1    4 weeks ago

It's going to be a lot different with neither on the ballot.

Only Biden's performance will be on it

 
 
 
Hallux
Junior Principal
14.1.3  Hallux  replied to  Vic Eldred @14.1.2    4 weeks ago
Only Biden's performance will be on it

That must be why Ms Palin lost ... yikes! /s

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
14.1.4  TᵢG  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @14.1.1    4 weeks ago
They left PotUS blank. Meaning they couldn't vote for Mr. Biden either......................

Which should illustrate just how weak a candidate Trump was in 2020.    He could not even beat an aged Biden with all of Biden's flaws and his less-than-stellar prior attempts at the presidency.

And then, top it off with Trump's Big Lie con job after his loss.   One would expect that would be the clincher for the GoP to align behind a different leader.  

Yet even today, the GoP continues to sell its soul to Trump.    Who could have predicted this?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
14.1.5  Vic Eldred  replied to  Hallux @14.1.3    4 weeks ago

Don't get too excited. That was a special election to fill a seat until January, when the real election will be held. All three candidates are on the ballot again this November to run for the next term.  That's when most people show up to vote.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
15  author  JohnRussell    4 weeks ago

Trump posted this on his truth social a few minutes ago -

AT A GLANCE

  • Michigan’s MIRS News conducted a straw poll of precinct delegates at the Republican Nominating Convention.
  • On the question of which candidates they want to see run for president in 2024, President Trump handily defeated Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis by more than 20 percentage points.
  • In addition, 70 percent of delegates said that they were much more likely or somewhat more likely to vote for candidates endorsed by Trump.
 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
16  GregTx    4 weeks ago

Oh ye of little faith..