NEW ! NT Poll On Trump And Top Secret Documents
I created a poll for NT's to vote on why Trump took the Top Secret documents to Maralago
https://thenewstalkers.com/john-russell/poll/60/why-did-trump-want-the-top-secret-documents
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They stuck to his shoes?
In case he runs out of toilet paper?
I find it hard to even speculate as to what would motivate Trump to take and hold these documents. It makes no sense.
Knowing what we know about Trump, it makes perfect sense.
What do you think then ... that this was simply egotistical Trump believing he is above the law?
Trump either intended to auction them off to the highest bidders, use them for bribery, blackmail or extortion, or some combination of the above. He undoubtedly had a purpose beyond merely feeding his ego.
How could he possibly think he could get away with auctioning off documents? I can see blackmail, but that is about it.
Selling access to the secrets, not necessarily permanently transferring the physical documents.
But who knows what that criminal thinks he can get away with.
What else is he going to put in his library? His sharpie?
He's like an idiot savant of corruption one minute and the neediest of narcissists the next.
The thing that I can never shake, though, is how he always seemed to know which foreign policy decision Putin would prefer.
For someone they needed to create cartoon versions of the Presidential Daily Briefing for he always seemed to understand Russian foreign policy priorities.
Aren't Presidential deliberations and briefings Confidential or Secret? Wouldn't Trump's considerations, deliberations, and negotiations on moving the US embassy to Jerusalem be classified as Top Secret? Wouldn't Trump's negotiations with the Mexican government to deal with illegal immigration be classified as Secret or Top Secret? Wouldn't Trump's deliberations and planning to meet with Kim Jong Un on the North Korean side of the border be classified as Top Secret? Wouldn't negotiations and coordination with Russia to deal with Turkey attacking the Kurds be classified as Top Secret? Wouldn't the planning for a drone strike on Iran's general Qassem Soleimani be classified as Top Secret/SCI?
A lot of the work performed by a President would be considered Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret. A President generates Top Secret/SCI material as part of their normal duties and activities.
True. What is your point?
My point is to address your comment @1.3, "I find it hard to even speculate as to what would motivate Trump to take and hold these documents. It makes no sense."
A President wanting to retain records of what they consider accomplishments makes perfect sense. But since the President has been directly involved in those accomplishments the records would naturally be classified as Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret.
Speculation about why Trump would want to keep classified material opens the door for scrutiny of those records and documents. Maybe that's why Trump wants the appointment of a Special Master. But the content of those documents ain't the issue for the DOJ/FBI investigation. The DOJ/FBI argument is that possessing classified documents is the crime regardless of content. DOJ/FBI does not need to know the content to indict and prosecute Trump for the crime of possessing classified material. DOJ/FBI only needs to look at the classifications on the folders, they don't need to know what is in the folders.
My question is based on the knowledge that it is against the law (and is dangerous for national security) for a former PotUS to take those documents from a properly secured government facility. So what would motivate Trump to break the law and compromise national security by holding classified documents (some TS/SCI) at his home?
I've already answered that question.
Tacking on the 'compromise national security' bit is a red herring. Trump wouldn't need documents if he wanted to disseminate state secrets.
Typing words does not mean you answered my question.
It is a fact and it illustrates the severity of the situation.
Sell them.
You should have added "To determine what to burn or flush down the toilet." I would have voted for that one.
Because he was told not to.
I think the answer is that these documents show some questionable(or downright criminal) actions/choices made while he was President and he doesn't want anything in the Presidential records exposing him. Some might even have to do with the months after the 2020 election as he was doing everything he could to stay in power.
I don't think any of the documents in his possession would be the sole copies of those documents. They probably all reside on a secure file server and can be reproduced as necessary.
YIPPIE!!!! A poll for conspiracy theories!!!!!
If he already knew what was in them what difference does it really make?
Would you believe him?
Bragging/ego/trophy - he's just that socially isolated, just that fucking stupid awkward.
I agree with yours, and would add selling them off for stature and profit, using them as tools of leverage to avoid prosecution for much, and to use as weapons against detractors and such. If he starts revealing Top Secret Shit I believe he should be put down, for his information could get, if it hasn't already, real American Heroes Killed, and sorrry, I don't find Trump's ego worth one fingernail pulled off. The "man" is a complete Disgrace !
Gee I wonder why Hillary kept the classified documents she had on her server and what documents were erased before they could be discovered.
Hillary was wrong to use a private server for business and we likely will never know the degree to which she compromised national security.
Was Trump wrong to hold classified documents (some TS/SCI) at his residence?
One more time,,,
State Department emails are in the State Department system, even the Secretary of State
could not delete emails within the State Department server.
The SoS also has authority to classify or declassify State Department docs.
(Just by waving her magic wand ) /s
But I was not talking about the state department server. I was talking about the one she had in her bathroom that was subpoenaed and was not to have any files erased.
I guessed you forgot she said she used a cloth.
The president has the authority to declassify any classified government documents. He did so to the files in his home so the FBI did not find any classified info at Mara- Lago.
Then he just has to prove that and return all government property per the law that he revised and increased the fines and jail time on in 2018. The law he thought his DOJ would use to lock HRC up with. That didn't happen either and the DOJ doesn't need the FBI to bring a case to court.
I guess the only other conclusion is that the FBI, CIA and DOJ were all corrupt during the 45th Administration.
We've had a plethora of contestants making stupid comments.
Regardless of the Administration. From AOC to MTG and
Reagan to Biden.
So far that has turned out to be pure
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To declassify a document, the sitting PotUS must go through a process which, among other things, will register the document as declassified. Nobody has yet provided any record of declassification.
Further, it would be utterly irresponsible for Trump to declassify TS/SCI documents and then keep them at his residence. You see that, right?
But Hillary keeping the same type of documents on her server in her bathroom was okay.
You mean like Hillary did? Oh! Wait! She didn't!
I don't know about them but it sure is now. Then there is Bill Clinton and firmer AG Lynch just happening to meet and talk before Comey let Hillary off the hook.
Why would you think that it would be okay for Hillary to hold TS/SCI documents? That would be wrong. Is that not obvious to you?
Now, do you or do you not recognize that it is wrong for Trump to hold TS/SCI documents at his residence?
I have to add to this conversation that from what I remember, what Hillary did was actually not against the law at the time.
I think they put rules into place after her.
Of course she did. She violated the Espionage Act and was only saved because Comey decided to apply a different standard than what the law required.
I didn't think it was but the left had no problem with it. I think she should be wearing a orange jumpsuit with a number on it instead of her name
In his briefing, Comey even listed the violations she was guilty of just before he stated that he couldn't find any prosecute that wanted to end up like Seth Ryan or Vince Foster.
If you think she violated the law, then donald did too.
Please provide a truthful link to this conspiracy nonsense.
Not in the context of the truth you hold so dear to your heart...
of course, alex jones, breitbart, town hall, steve bannon et al reported it as if she was
serious and their readers believed it to be true.
Then it was pointless to make that statement to me. I was talking about Trump and you deflect to Hillary and to the left ... repeatedly.
I asked you a very simple question:
Do you recognize that it was wrong for Trump to hold TS/SCI documents at his residence?
Then I shall consider you humorless with an incredibly low bar for civil servant's
wry comments to journalists.
OOPS! My bad! I forgot that only liberals are allowed to bring up things from the past. How silly of me
And again you deflect.
Why are you afraid to answer my simple question that is spot-on-topic with this seed?:
Do you recognize that it was wrong for Trump to hold TS/SCI documents at his residence?
In spades...to the nth degree.
Out of 55,000 plus emails, the FBI found 113 instances where long emails were not clearly marked as TS but the parties involved including Clinton should have known that marked or not the topic should have been had on more secure devices. 4 documents were retroactively made top secret.
Comey also pointed out that both Clinton and other SD employees routinely stopped and switched to more secure devices.
Trump on the other hand did not follow any procedures to declassify any document she was found physically in possession of and apparently assigned the NARA responsibility off to John Solomon and Kash Patel.
Seeing how they found the boxes of TS and higher docs and folders with personal items, clothing and newspaper clippings, it appears that neither Solomon or Patel did anything after providing 15 boxes in January, 8 months after the original demands by the NARA of May,21,2021.
On the one-year anniversary, NARA after numerous attempts to locate 12,000 documents, went to the FBI & DOJ. Trump's lawyers responded with a signed affidavit that there were no more TS docs or government property at Mar a lago.
The August evidence collected from the Trump residence and country club speaks for itself.
Who knows what's at Bedminster or Trump Towers seeing as thousands of docs are still missing.
Did he really eat or flush that many docs while at the WH?
Why do you keep ducking about my questions. If Hillary is not guilty neither is Trump. The documents Trump had were probably more secure than the ones on Hillary's server.
Always the same game with some Trump supporters. Instead of being honest and acknowledging that Trump was indeed wrong to hold TS/SCI documents they engage in intellectually dishonest tactics like deflection and, as you have just done, projection. You accuse me of what you have been doing.
I directly addressed the Hillary issue back @7.2.9. You seem to draw answers from your stereotype without actually reading what people write.
In short, what she did was wrong and if she had TS/SCI documents then her wrong-doing would be worse. Here, read what I wrote:
How is it that you cannot comprehend that I am saying that it would NOT be okay for Hillary to hold TS/SCI documents? Read the blue part especially.
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Now, one more time to illustrate that you run away from my spot-on-topic question for the article in which you are participating:
Do you recognize that it was wrong for Trump to hold TS/SCI documents at his residence?
I guess when you dont have the facts on your side you engage in intellectually dishonest tactics.
Very possibly. And if he did, he should go to jail.
You make it sound likes that's problem for me. I'm not a hypocrite.
If you want hypocrisy, look no further than all the people on this site who cheered Hillary for illegally keeping top secret information on an unsecured server and embarrassed themselves by parroting whatever ridiculous lie and or excuse Hillary told them to repeat. And I'm not the one laughing it up with her as she capitalizes on her crimes by selling hats admitting it.
It's the people who had no problem with Clinton violating the espionage act who want Trump to go to jail for it who have the problem.
Nonsense. She was criticized for treating her violation of the espionage act so flippantly.
and now she's selling merch to capitalize on getting away with it.
Now that's grifting.
You are imagining things.
Imagine that....