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The Unacceptable Support of President Trump

  
By:  lennylynx  •   •  3 years ago  •  282 comments

The Unacceptable Support of President Trump
"There is nothing to talk about here, no chance of reconciliation. If you support Trump, after all he has said and done, you are simply not a worthwhile human being."

As the horror show in the White House churns on, the continued support of Donald Trump by such a large segment of American society becomes more and more outrageous.  How can any normal, reasonable person accept Trump support as a valid, respectable position?

The insane amount of corruption, obvious criminality, open and blatant obstruction of justice, constant lying, complete and utter disregard of basic human decency, disastrous and dangerous foreign policy, the sheer unfitness for office, has gone on for far too long.   Enough is enough already, Trump is a basket case and always will be.  There is nothing to talk about here, no chance of reconciliation.  If you support Trump, after all he has said and done, you are simply not a worthwhile human being.  Defenders of this dangerous buffoon are enemies of America.

Where does America go from here?  Some like to think that when everything finally comes to light, and Trump is exposed for the criminal he obviously is, everything will be ok.  Umm, no, I don't think so Tim.  Trump supporters already know he's guilty and corrupt as hell, they know he's inciting violence with his irresponsible speech, they know he doesn't have a clue what he's doing, and they know he's unhinged and dangerous.  The time has come to call these despicable traitors out for the damage they are doing to America's citizens and reputation around the world.  Trump turns his back on America's allies while praising and enabling the world's despots and brutal dictators, and these cretins stand right beside him. 

 Call me a partisan hack if it makes you feel better, but Trump's unfitness for office has nothing to do with left/right politics at all.  The Trump administration is a horror show by any reasonable point of view.  Every responsible CONSERVATIVE in America is strongly opposed to Trump, and there are millions of them.  No, Trump support is not reasonable, and not acceptable for anyone who tries to claim basic human decency.  The point of view of anyone who supports Trump, is utterly worthless.  It gives me no joy, taking this position on 40% of the country, but accepting the support of Trump is far too much to ask of any decent person.

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lennylynx
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1  author  lennylynx    3 years ago

Sorry I have to feel this way, but Trump is simply a bridge too far.  Stop supporting this lunatic so he can be removed.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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1.1  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  lennylynx @1    3 years ago

All that and yet obama was far worse by almost any objective measure of his policies. The rest is irrelevant. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1    3 years ago
All that and yet obama was far worse by almost any objective measure of his policies.

Completely false statement. Nice try though. 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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1.1.2  Cerenkov  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.1    3 years ago

Another lie. Good effort.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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1.1.3  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  MrFrost @1.1.1    3 years ago

 I find it to be demonstrably truth because I can point to the exact reasons why as I’ve stated before any objective measure instead of the emotional hyperbole that you get with all these rants about Trump.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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1.1.4  bbl-1  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.3    3 years ago

Well, name them.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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1.1.5  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  bbl-1 @1.1.4    3 years ago

How many hours are you willing to dedicate to this topic.   I have probably more than 100 hours of accumulated video detailing the reasoning.

 
 
 
Hal A. Lujah
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1.1.6  Hal A. Lujah  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.5    3 years ago

Oh, that sounds reasonable.  Guys, stop defending Obama because Done says he’s got 100 hours of reasons why you should, and that’s just too much to post therefore he doesn’t need to post anything.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Hal A. Lujah @1.1.6    3 years ago

It's always that way with some.  Say they have proof and never ever put up a shred of evidence (because obviously they have nothing).

  

 
 
 
JBB
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1.1.8  JBB  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1    3 years ago

No Obama campaign or administration officials were ever indicted...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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1.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1    3 years ago
All that and yet obama was far worse by almost any objective measure of his policies.

Hey, you're right, Obama was horrible at being a criminal, trump is MUCH better.

Trump is up to 109 indictments, 36 guilty pleas. In just 2 years. At this rate, trump will make Nixon look like an amateur. LOL

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MrFrost
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1.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.5    3 years ago
How many hours are you willing to dedicate to this topic.

Hours? Trump has not even come CLOSE to what Obama accomplished...

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Trout Giggles
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1.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.3    3 years ago

If you're thinking of giving donny boy credit for that new prison reform bill.....don't.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.12  Tessylo  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.3    3 years ago

Where you been Oliver?

 
 
 
cjcold
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1.1.13  cjcold  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.7    3 years ago

Just like Trump's birther idiocy. He said he had proof but never submitted it. I guess lies and innuendo are all the far right wing needs to energize their mindless fascist fanatics.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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1.1.14  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.7    3 years ago

  You got to give me a reason because right now I don’t believe in doing anything for anybody that they can do for them selves. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @1.1.14    3 years ago

You made the claim. Put up or shut up

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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1.1.16  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.1.15    3 years ago

1.1.14

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  lennylynx @1    3 years ago

Don't be sorry for the way you feel, I feel the same way

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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1.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @1    3 years ago

Not only no but heck no.  We will stand by him no matter what his detractors say about him and us.  All the attacks here do is to cause us to double down on our support for him and for his policies.  We Heartland Americans gain strength by the bicoastal limousine liberal arrogant condescending toward us from their elite ivory towers.  It’s not like his haters can send Antifa into the Heartland to punish us for supporting him.  

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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1.3.1  Studiusbagus  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1.3    3 years ago

You're going to feel the punishment anyway.

As I correctly predicted, the earnings reports are coming in and it doesn't look good. Nobody is expecting Sears/Kmart to survive past the holidays along with several other large brands...Target just lost 15%. 

Retail is the largest employment sector, employment, sales tax collection, shipping are all connected to this...how do the supporters and Trump plan to deal with this? Neither you nor he have the first clue what to do.

So bad that the market has lost all of it's gainsfor 2018..notice he's not taking credit anymore.

The deficit is rising faster than Obama's. 

Prices for everyday goods are jumping. 

Your "tax break" has already been swallowed up and the tariffs are sinking us lower.

Your punishment will be self inflicted and no liberals to blame.

 
 
 
Ender
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1.3.2  Ender  replied to  Studiusbagus @1.3.1    3 years ago
the market has lost all of it's gainsfor 2018

Guarantee you that they will blame it on the Democrats taking the house.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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1.3.3  livefreeordie  replied to  Studiusbagus @1.3.1    3 years ago

Sears and Kmart have been bankrupt for over 2 decades

Brick and mortar are obsolete as Amazon, Ebay and others have demonstrated.

The deficit is rising because we are getting the pay back from the Fed who bailed out Obama for 6 plus years with zero interest rates.   The interest on the debt which Obama added 10 trillion to is expected to soon be larger than the defense budget

We need more tax cuts and dramatic reduction in domestic spending 

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2  MrFrost    3 years ago

Everyone I know that voted for trump now admits they made a mistake. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.1  author  lennylynx  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

I know some who admit it and some who don't.  No one here at Newstalkers seems to admit it.  He still has the support of a very healthy chunk of citizens.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  lennylynx @2.1    3 years ago
He still has the support of a very healthy chunk of citizens.

These are the same people who believe every single word that comes out of trumps mouth. Sad. 

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.1.2  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  lennylynx @2.1    3 years ago

That support you refer to is far more than you realize from the headlines given the attempts at social ostracism that accompany the hysterical anti-trump culture in today’s environment. 

 The article here of course and the related comments are pretty much prima facie evidence of that.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.1.3  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  lennylynx @2.1    3 years ago

 I didn’t vote for him before but that doesn’t really matter where I live and I would vote for him in the future however given the alternative. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.1.4  author  lennylynx  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.3    3 years ago
"The point of view of anyone who supports Trump, is utterly worthless."
 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.1.5  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  lennylynx @2.1.4    3 years ago

Reasoned intellectuals would disagree.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.5    3 years ago

Who would those reasoned intellectuals be?

 
 
 
Kavika
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2.1.7  Kavika   replied to  Tessylo @2.1.6    3 years ago
Who would those reasoned intellectuals be?

The leader of the pack...LOL

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cjcold
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2.1.8  cjcold  replied to  MrFrost @2.1.1    3 years ago

And every single word that comes out of Trumps mouth is a lie.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.1.9  Studiusbagus  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.2    3 years ago
That support you refer to is far more than you realize from the headlines given the attempts

Then why did you lose the house?

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.1.10  Studiusbagus  replied to  Lucifer Morningstar @2.1.3    3 years ago
I didn’t vote for him before but that doesn’t really matter where I live...

What? No ballot boxes in St. Petersburgh? 

 
 
 
PJ
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2.2  PJ  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

I still do not forgive them.  jrSmiley_55_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.1  XXJefferson51  replied to  PJ @2.2    3 years ago

I don’t want the forgiveness of the progressive left.  Their contempt and anger is a badge of honor for us.  I’m looking forward to the next six years of the Trump administration.  

 
 
 
PJ
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2.2.2  PJ  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    3 years ago

Pfffftttt

You secretly really really like me X.  I know it so don't pretend otherwise.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.2.3  author  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @2.2.2    3 years ago

Why, HA is totally gaga over you Sweepea, how could he not be??

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.2.4  Studiusbagus  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.1    3 years ago
I’m looking forward to the next six years of the Trump administration.  

I'm looking forward to his first parole hearing in 6 years.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.2.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  Studiusbagus @2.2.4    3 years ago

He will need a parole hearing to retire from the White House on Jan. 20,2025 when President Hailey is sworn in as POTUS #46?  

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.2.6  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.2.5    3 years ago
President Hailey

Could be. I actually like her quite a bit. Depending on who she is running against, I could vote for her. As far as trump is concerned? He will leave office as the worst president in history, and that's saying a LOT given how bad GWB was. 

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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2.2.7  Studiusbagus  replied to  MrFrost @2.2.6    3 years ago

Chances are he'll be gone by way of resignation in shame.

Much like Sarah Palin resigning to escape her charges.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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2.3  Cerenkov  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

I'm happy I voted for him SCOTUS alone was worth it. [Deleted]

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.3.1  bbl-1  replied to  Cerenkov @2.3    3 years ago

And the SCOTUS will deliver what, for you?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.3.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  bbl-1 @2.3.1    3 years ago

That is the 64 dollar question, isn't it?

[Deleted] he should want SCOTUS to repeal Citizens United. That decision is going to be very bad news for all Americans one way or another

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.3  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @2.3.2    3 years ago

Yep. Multinational corporations flooding the media with far right propaganda is not democracy.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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2.3.7  bbl-1  replied to    3 years ago

You did not answer.

"Disgraceful Confirmation Hearings."  ? ?  Absolutely.  Especially when Kavanaugh asked Klobuchar if she, "Ever blacked out."  There it is.  There you have it.

Besides, Citizens United was on the 'conservative' wish list.  They got it.  Thanks to the conservative court.

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.3.8  cjcold  replied to    3 years ago

Citizens United is the worst thing for 'we the people'. It's good for multinational corporations.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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2.3.9  Cerenkov  replied to  cjcold @2.3.8    3 years ago

It's constitutional. That's why we needed Trump's judicial nominees. Winning.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.3.10  XXJefferson51  replied to    3 years ago

Citizens United was one of the better Supreme Court decisions of my life time.  

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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2.4  Cerenkov  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

He's putting actual judges in the Federal courts. I'm quite pleased with my votes. He will retard the liberal pogrom for a generation.  Winning!

 
 
 
cjcold
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2.4.1  cjcold  replied to  Cerenkov @2.4    3 years ago

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Cerenkov
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2.4.2  Cerenkov  replied to  cjcold @2.4.1    3 years ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.3  author  lennylynx  replied to  Cerenkov @2.4.2    3 years ago

Please stop deleting comments on my blog, Sandy, and congratulations on becoming a mod.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
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2.4.4  sandy-2021492  replied to  lennylynx @2.4.3    3 years ago

Thanks for the congratulations, and please see Perrie's comment #14.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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2.4.5  Cerenkov  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.4.4    3 years ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.6  author  lennylynx  replied to  sandy-2021492 @2.4.4    3 years ago

Perrie, Schmerrie, do you always do as you're told?  Raise a little hell for a change!!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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2.4.7  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @2.4.6    3 years ago

Lenny, refer to my comment @ 14.1.1

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.8  author  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.4.7    3 years ago

Yeah yeah, I saw it, please stop turning my blog into a concentration camp!!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.4.9  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @2.4.8    3 years ago

More like the whole site in my opinion.  I strongly agree with your post and the point you make.  jrSmiley_12_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.10  author  lennylynx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.4.9    3 years ago

Omg...

 
 
 
MrFrost
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2.4.11  MrFrost  replied to  lennylynx @2.4.3    3 years ago
Please stop deleting comments on my blog

May want to brush up on that CoC Lenny. Just saying. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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2.4.12  author  lennylynx  replied to  MrFrost @2.4.11    3 years ago

Fuck the CoC Frosty!  Just saying... jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.5  livefreeordie  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

I didn't vote for him (voted 3rd party) but I will definitely and proudly vote for him in 2020

 
 
 
JBB
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2.6  JBB  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 years ago

No, our federal deficit is exploding because the damn gop in Congress is spending trillions more than the gutless bastards are willing to raise in tax revenues. "Economics is just math" - Bill Clinton...

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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2.6.1  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  JBB @2.6    3 years ago

That’s not the reason but it doesn’t really matter because you don’t care anyway.

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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2.6.2  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @2.6    3 years ago

no, it's because the Fed bailed out Obama with Zero interest rates for over 6 years and now the cows are coming home to roost

CBO projection under Obama

March 24, 2016

As it typically does after the President’s budget is released, CBO has updated the 10-year baseline budget projections it published early in the year. CBO now estimates that if no further legislation is enacted this year that affects the federal budget, the total federal deficit for fiscal year 2016 will be $534 billion, about $100 billion greater than the shortfall posted in fiscal year 2015. If current laws generally remained unchanged, the deficit would increase (in dollar terms) in nearly every year over the next decade and, CBO projects, by 2026 it would be considerably larger as a share of the nation’s output (gross domestic product, or GDP) than its average over the past 50 years (see figure below). Debt held by the public also would rise significantly from its already high level, reaching 86 percent of GDP by 2026.

This year is likely to be the first since 2009 in which the federal deficit will increase as a share of the nation’s output—from 2.5 percent of GDP in 2015 to 2.9 percent in 2016, by CBO’s estimate. That growth in the deficit will result in part from a shift in the timing of some federal payments from the beginning of fiscal year 2017 to the end of 2016 because October 1, 2016—the first day of fiscal year 2017—falls on a weekend. Without that shift of an estimated $41 billion in payments, the deficit projected for 2016 would be $493 billion, or 2.7 percent of GDP.

In CBO’s baseline, deficits rise because growth in revenues over the next 10 years is outpaced by increases in spending—particularly for Social Security, Medicare, and interest payments on the federal debt. The deficit remains at roughly 2.8 percent of GDP through 2018 but climbs to 4.9 percent of GDP by 2026. The cumulative deficit projected for the 2017–2026 period is $9.3 trillion.

One important effect of such deficits would be a burgeoning amount of debt held by the public. In 10 years, debt held by the public would equal 86 percent of GDP —more than twice its average over the past five decades. Debt that high—and heading higher—would have significant negative budgetary and economic consequences (see figure below):

  • Once interest rates returned to more typical, higher levels, federal spending on interest payments would increase substantially.

 
 
 
JBB
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2.6.3  JBB  replied to  livefreeordie @2.6.2    3 years ago

Income minus expenses equal net surplus or deficit.

The gop cut income then blew up military spending...

Increase cost of debt will exacerbate these problems.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    3 years ago

Lenny, I have a lot of cousins and their families around Westhaven & Knights Rds, almost all regret this Administration, regardless of who they voted for.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1  MrFrost  replied to  Split Personality @3    3 years ago

It really is embarrassing. I have a few friends living in Germany and they are shocked at how horrible trump is. Trump literally makes GWB look like a fantastic president and he destroyed the economy. 

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.1.1  Cerenkov  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    3 years ago

Bush was a good president. That's why he was elected for two terms.

 
 
 
Lucifer Morningstar
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3.1.2  Lucifer Morningstar  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    3 years ago

I have relatives overseas as well and when I have had these types of discussions with them they can never point to any specific policy or measure that would rate as objectionable to the degree that you speak of. 

 
 
 
pat wilson
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3.1.3  pat wilson  replied to  Cerenkov @3.1.1    3 years ago

Ya, like Clinton and Obama. 

 
 
 
PJ
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3.1.4  PJ  replied to  MrFrost @3.1    3 years ago
Trump literally makes GWB look like a fantastic president and he destroyed the economy. 

I never thought I'd see the day in which I would agree with this statement even knowing that Bush murdered over 3k American military and ousted an active CIA agent.  He is still far better than who is currently in the WH.  Everyone and anyone associated with or responsible for this WH should be utterly ashamed.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.5  MrFrost  replied to  Cerenkov @3.1.1    3 years ago

I voted for GWB...1st term only. 

 
 
 
luther28
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3.1.6  luther28  replied to  Cerenkov @3.1.1    3 years ago

At the time I thought not, but relatively speaking (I never thought I would say this) I long for the days of Mr. Bush.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3.1.7  Ronin2  replied to  PJ @3.1.4    3 years ago

What are your thoughts on Obama's murdered American military, which for outstrips Bush?  What do you have to say about the US Diplomat and security personnel that were killed under his watch in Libya; that his administration tried to cover up by blaming a low budget movie on Islam? What do you think of Obama's drone extra judicial killings (and collateral damage) which far outstripped Bush? Obama destabilized 4 (Syria, Libya, Yemen, and Ukraine)  countries to Bush's one (anyone that thinks Afghanistan was ever stable is nuts).

If you hated Bush, you should have loathed, detested, and despised Obama. He was Bush on steroids in every way.  Including increasing the debt, scandals, cover ups, and corruption. He just had better yes men, and women, covering for him.

I will give Trump credit for one thing. Outside of Syria- which he expanded by putting US ground forces in; he hasn't started any new wars- or destabilized any countries. He ssucks; but at least he isn't out to destabilize the planet so far.

What can we expect when the two major parties give us a failed reality tv host; and an un-convicted criminal to chose from as candidates.  We got exactly what we deserve; and judging from the rhetoric on both sides we can expect far worse in the future.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.8  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.7    3 years ago

Obama ENDED the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, he didn't start them. NO one would have died in those two countries had bushtard not STARTED them in the first place. 

But since you went there... How many civilians died in Iraq between 2003-2007? 500,000. Not a peep from the right wing, but Obama kills a goat and the right wing is still crying about it. SMFH

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.9  cjcold  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.5    3 years ago

This independent voted for GHWB...1st term only.

I doubt I'll ever vote for another republican. I've been polarized.

 
 
 
PJ
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3.1.10  PJ  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.7    3 years ago

I love these whataboutisms.  Unfortunately I don't play.  I don't care what you or others in your camp think about my posts or my opinion and I certainly don't care about yours. 

Feel free to give Trump credit for whatever you want.   

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.1.11  Trout Giggles  replied to  cjcold @3.1.9    3 years ago

I could be persuaded.

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.1.12  cjcold  replied to  PJ @3.1.10    3 years ago

Most of what Trump takes credit for was already trending due to Obama's wise moves.

 
 
 
PJ
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3.1.13  PJ  replied to  cjcold @3.1.12    3 years ago

I agree.  I do think Trump deserves some credit for the stock market but I imagine that will get mucked up because he's so incompetent and corrupt.  

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.1.14  author  lennylynx  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.8    3 years ago

It was hilarious hearing the right wing hippos whine about the tiny bit of collateral damage that resulted from Obama droning terrorist leaders.  Their hypocrisy is off the charts.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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3.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  cjcold @3.1.9    3 years ago
This independent voted for GHWB...1st term only. I doubt I'll ever vote for another republican. I've been polarized.

Exactly. I voted for GHWB as well. Never again will I vote for (R) again, especially after GWB's epic failure of a presidency. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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3.2  author  lennylynx  replied to  Split Personality @3    3 years ago

Every single person you and Mr. Frost know who once supported Trump have turned against him, yet he still has 40% approval and the Republicans gained seats in the Senate?  Your testimony is nice to hear but if the rejection of Trump was half as complete as you guys are suggesting, the dirtbag would have been removed by now and the Democrats would be holding both houses.  I would love to believe Trump has been completely rejected, but will require more evidence.  My brother is a Trumpist and I'm hoping he has changed his tune by now, will find out at Christmas time.  He was still a Trumpist last Christmas...

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  lennylynx @3.2    3 years ago

I don't know of one person who regrets their decision to vote for him. Thanksgiving is going to be really fun this year.

I'm gonna needs lots of Klonepin.....

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.2  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.1    3 years ago

Being I'm the only liberal in a horde of conservatives, I'm bringing a Taser and pepper spray.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
3.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  cjcold @3.2.2    3 years ago

This is my family!

Maybe I'll bring my bb gun

 
 
 
cjcold
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3.2.4  cjcold  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.3    3 years ago

FBI statistics show that most murders are committed during the holiday season by family members. Since my family are all far right wing fascists, think I'll just stay home this christmas.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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3.2.5  Cerenkov  replied to  cjcold @3.2.4    3 years ago

So you are afraid of your family? [deleted]

 
 
 
bbl-1
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4  bbl-1    3 years ago

The Russian/Putin propaganda machine is effective.  The Trump's record of fraud, bankruptcies, puffy grabbing, sexual assault allegations, adult film stars, playboy bunnies, children in cages and all the rest----and somehow---someway---a portion of the American electorate bought it anyway.  Most definitely the 'shyster act' of American history.

 
 
 
Kathleen
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5  Kathleen    3 years ago

Comment removed at commenters request. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1  author  lennylynx  replied to  Kathleen @5    3 years ago

Trump and his supporters have caused irreparable harm to America.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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5.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  lennylynx @5.1    3 years ago
Trump and his supporters have caused irreparable harm to America.

Yeah.   That harm of the best economy in decades.  Lowest unemployment in decades.  Lowest unemployment for some specific demographics ever.  Lowered taxes.  Higher wages.  Those 'magic wand' manufacturing jobs being created.  The markets going gangbusters.   Trade deals being negotiated which don't HURT America, but make it possible for America to compete on a level playing field.   

Yeah, all that harm is just so intolerable, only if one is brain dead.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
5.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    3 years ago
'Trade deals being negotiated which don't HURT America, but make it possible for America to compete on a level playing field.' 

Just this one thing alone is a fucking ridiculous.  Tariffs?  Hello?????????????

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    3 years ago

Ford is having a bad year in 2018. Its stock is down 29%, and the tariffs imposed by President Trump have reportedly cost the company $1 billion, as the company is in the midst of a reorganization. Now, the company is announcing layoffs. Jim Hackett, Ford’s CEO, is working to engineer a $25.5 billion restructuring of the automaker, hoping to cut costs and remain competitive, the Wall Street Journal reports. But auto sales are down, and one reason is the trade tariffs that Trump has imposed on metals and other goods. According to Bloomberg, Hackett has said they have already cost the company $1 billion in profit and could do “ more damage ” if the disputes aren’t resolved quickly.

I thought I had heard something about Ford and layoffs in the news.....

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    3 years ago

Unless your trying to sell or buy a house.........

softest market in 12 years.........

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.5  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    3 years ago

I have a lot of GM, Chrysler and Ford stock, tell me about it./s

Ford & GM took major losses due to the tariffs and have initiated or announced tens of thousands of layoffs and cancelled several new models both here and in China.

Car prices are up over 2,000. 00 due to tariffs.

yep, everything is peachy keen.

Gas prices keep rising butt everyone knows Presidents don't control that /s

Even Toyota, with 10 manufacturing facilities in the USA is griping about tariffs and raising prices an average of 1,800.00 per model.

good bye tax cut......

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.4    3 years ago
Unless your trying to sell or buy a house......... softest market in 12 years.........

True.

But, the reason for that softness is actually the improving economy which is the reason the FED is raising interest rates in order to control inflation.

Higher interest rates, fewer people getting mortgages.

But...   higher interest rates are good for people with savings.  

It's a double edged sword.

You know that but HAD to find something to complain about regarding Trump.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.7  XDm9mm  replied to  Trout Giggles @5.1.3    3 years ago
I thought I had heard something about Ford and layoffs in the news.....

What you're neglecting to realize is that Ford IS in trouble, as are many 'automobile' companies....   at least in the US market.  All of the manufacturers are cutting CAR production and expanding trunk and SUV production.   When that car production is cut, those lines are shuttered or temporarily stopped for retooling to SUV/Truck production.

So, there ARE others reasons for shutting down lines and laying off people.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
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5.1.8  Release The Kraken  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.5    3 years ago

GM was loaded up with beurocracy after the bailouts. They were pushed to hire midlevel management they simply don't need.

The current layoffs target the midlevel salaried baggage. The goal is to be efficient and lean 2 to 4 years from now.

It's a smart move. Gm finally hired a good consulting company that is pushing them to take advantage of the good economy and prepare for the future.

I too own GM stock and well I talk to GM executives 5 days a week. I applaud the move and I live and breathe GM every day. Its finally a relief to see them planning ahead.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.9  XDm9mm  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.5    3 years ago
Gas prices keep rising butt everyone knows Presidents don't control that /s

You REALLY need to keep up with current events SP...

Gas prices NATIONALLY are coming down.  There is an oil glut and less demand.

Hell, prices in some states are below $2.00 a gallon, and AAA predicts prices to keep dropping through December and into early 2019.

Below $2

Several dozen stations across Louisiana, Missouri, Ohio, Oklahoma and Texas were charging less than $2 per gallon as of Wednesday, according to GasBuddy.

That number "could be several hundred by Thanksgiving Day," GasBuddy's DeHaan said.

Source:  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.10  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.6    3 years ago
But, the reason for that softness is actually the improving economy which is the reason the FED is raising interest rates in order to control inflation.

Higher interest rates, fewer people getting mortgages.

But...   higher interest rates are good for people with savings.  

It's a double edged sword.

True. Completely agree.

You know that but HAD to find something to complain about regarding Trump.

Like I said, the right came unglued when Obama wore a tan suit....the right set the bar pretty damn low as far as finding something about trump to complain about. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.11  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.10    3 years ago
Like I said, the right came unglued when Obama wore a tan suit

Personally, I don't give a rats ass what he wore or wears, nor do I care what Trump wears.   It's the results that matter, and as far as I'm concerned, Obama was an abject failure.   

His only claim to fame was forcing the American populace to BUY a product from a private company or be fined (until it was defended in court when the fine became a tax) for not doing so.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    3 years ago

I posted some FACTUAL charts above, if those don't prove that he did a lot of good for the country, nothing will. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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5.1.13  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.12    3 years ago
I posted some FACTUAL charts above

The same balderdash you post all the time.   They're still as laughable now as the first time you used them.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
Freshman Silent
5.1.14  JumpDrive  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.11    3 years ago
His only claim to fame was forcing the American populace to BUY a product from a private company or be fined (until it was defended in court when the fine became a tax) for not doing so.

I’ve seen you post this a number of times and it needs to be addressed. The Mandate was proposed by the very conservative Heritage Foundation in response to Reagan’s passing of the 1986 Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act. The Act allowed anyone to get Emergency Room service even if they could not pay. The Heritage Foundation stated that people should be responsible for their own healthcare and proposed the insurance mandate. Just as anyone who drives must have insurance to protect other drivers, so too, anyone with a body must have medical insurance. The mandate was Republican policy for a quarter of a century, up to and including Romney’s installation of it in Massachusetts as a blueprint for the nation. However, when Obama used it to get 20+ million working class Americans medical insurance it got cooties, and Republicans all turned on a dime as instructed by their media and said it was now bad.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Guide
5.1.15  KDMichigan  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.10    3 years ago
Like I said, the right came unglued when Obama wore a tan suit..

No back then as in now the left SAID the right was coming unglued.

Who has been crying about what Melania wears?

 
 
 
PJ
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5.1.17  PJ  replied to    3 years ago

Well the most apparent harm is the division within the country.  We are in the throws of a modern day civil war. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.18  XDm9mm  replied to  PJ @5.1.17    3 years ago
Well the most apparent harm is the division within the country.

I will submit that the division took off like a rocket during the tenure of the previous president.

Hell, he effectively and literally told those of us on the right we would need to ride in the back of the bus.

Great way to make friends and influence people.

 
 
 
PJ
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5.1.19  PJ  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.18    3 years ago

jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif   Now you can sit in the front of the bus and shit all over women and minorities again.  Poor wittle white guy.......  

 
 
 
dave-2693993
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5.1.20  dave-2693993  replied to  PJ @5.1.17    3 years ago
We are in the throws of a modern day civil war. 

It is true PJ that the rhetoric is cranked up way to high and the rule of law is being tossed aside all to often but we are not in a civil war.

This is a civil war. Although these do not show warfare in urban areas, there was plenty of it. Trends say, the fighting is ramping back to what is shown in these vids.

Can you believe fewer than 300 people out of millions were granted asylum here, even when people here had open doors for our friends?

 
 
 
Cerenkov
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5.1.21  Cerenkov  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.4    3 years ago

My house value has skyrocketed. Looks good to me...

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.22  XXJefferson51  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.1    3 years ago

All I can say is , Mr. President hurt me some more!  I want more of that kind of hurting and pain.  jrSmiley_36_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.23  XXJefferson51  replied to  PJ @5.1.17    3 years ago

And if Hillary has won do you think that the division would have been any less?  

 
 
 
PJ
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5.1.24  PJ  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.23    3 years ago

No, probably not but I think our allies would still have respected us.  Nobody likes us anymore except for dictators.......

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.25  author  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @5.1.24    3 years ago

You got that right! How was your hike?

 
 
 
PJ
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5.1.26  PJ  replied to  lennylynx @5.1.25    3 years ago

It was good.  I was a feeling a little sluggish but after about 45 minutes I got my second wind.  Hiked about 3 hours today.  I'm moving a little slow now.  Below is a pic I took this morning.

320

 
 
 
lennylynx
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5.1.27  author  lennylynx  replied to  PJ @5.1.26    3 years ago

Wow, 3 hours is a pretty good jaunt.  Taking off for about 3 myself right now to do a little job and go for a beer, won't be seeing scenery like that though!

 
 
 
PJ
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5.1.28  PJ  replied to  lennylynx @5.1.27    3 years ago

Have a beer for me!

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.29  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.13    3 years ago
They're still as laughable now as the first time you used them.

If you can dispute the numbers do so, other wise accept them and move on instead of digging that hole you are standing in. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
5.1.30  MrFrost  replied to  JumpDrive @5.1.14    3 years ago

Always found it entertaining that republicans insist that everyone that drives a car MUST have insurance, but human beings? Naw... It literally makes no sense. 

I suppose if a person is sick, they could drive their car into a hospital ER, climb out of the mangled wreck and ask to see a doctor.....because the car insurance will pay for it. 

 
 
 
charger 383
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5.1.31  charger 383  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.30    3 years ago

I can't figure that out either 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
Masters Expert
5.1.32  XDm9mm  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.30    3 years ago
Always found it entertaining that republicans insist that everyone that drives a car MUST have insurance, but human beings?

STOP the bullshit.   

Auto insurance is required by STATE governments, Democrat and Republican alike, so shove your partisan bullshit where the sun don't shine.

HOWEVER.....   Driving a car is an OPTIONAL PRIVILEGE.   If you don't want to pay for the insurance, or have no need to drive, no one is FORCING you to buy it.   I know a large number of people in New York, including my niece that doesn't pay for car insurance as she lives in Manhattan and has no need for a car.

Human beings on the other hand have no option about breathing....   well they do and I could give you some suggestions to eliminate that if you need, but the government forcing the people to buy a product from a private company simply for the act of breathing is BEYOND the governments reach.

PS:

digging that hole you are standing in. 

I have.  You just refuse to believe them.   So keep digging away Frost, keep digging.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
5.1.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  XDm9mm @5.1.32    3 years ago

So good health and life is an optional privilege?

 
 
 
Colour Me Free
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5.1.34  Colour Me Free  replied to  JumpDrive @5.1.14    3 years ago
The mandate was Republican policy for a quarter of a century, up to and including Romney’s installation of it in Massachusetts as a blueprint for the nation. However, when Obama used it to get 20+ million working class Americans medical insurance it got cooties, and Republicans all turned on a dime as instructed by their media and said it was now bad.

Not completely accurate , if one goes back and takes a look 25 years ago .. the (R)'s never put that 'mandate' to the vote - no pass, no fail … just no vote (the plan was found to unsustainable in the long run) …  Romneycare was designed to work on a state population level, a one size fits all .. taking it to a national level was ill informed .. depending on the young and healthy being forced to purchase insurance to off set the pre existing conditions and relying on uncontrollable things like Medicaid expansion to make the ACA sustainable were 2 major errors made ….

I can provide links in they are needed...

figure I had better at least post one link since it is doubtful I will be back today .. I presume that Political Fact is credible enough?

Is the Affordable Care Act really the same as "the Republican plan in the early '90s?"

Short answer -- sort of. There was a Republican bill in the Senate that looked a whole lot like Obamacare, but it wasn’t the only GOP bill on Capitol Hill, it never came to a vote and from what we can tell, plenty of conservative Republicans didn’t like it.

Our ruling:

Qualls said the Affordable Care Act "was the Republican plan in the '90s." The bill she had in mind did have a strong roster of Republicans behind it, and it did share many major features with the Affordable Care Act. There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.

However, to call it the Republican plan, as though a majority of Republicans endorsed it, goes too far. The House Republicans took a different path, and there was opposition from more hard-line members of the Republican coalition. It is telling that the Chafee bill never became a full blown bill and never came up for a vote.

We rate the statement Half True.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.35  Jack_TX  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.30    3 years ago
Always found it entertaining that republicans insist that everyone that drives a car MUST have insurance, but human beings? Naw... It literally makes no sense.

*sigh*  It makes perfect sense to any person who understands insurance.   

You are not required to carry insurance that repairs your car or covers your injuries.  You are required to carry insurance that repairs MY car and covers MY injuries after you hit me due to operating your car with the same level of expertise you display with regard to insurance.  

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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5.1.36  JumpDrive  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.35    3 years ago
You are not required to carry insurance that repairs your car or covers your injuries.  You are required to carry insurance that repairs MY car and covers MY injuries after you hit me due to operating your car with the same level of expertise you display with regard to insurance. 

*sigh* who do you think pays for people without insurance who end up in ERs? Hint: Hospitals get to distribute those costs across the people who do have insurance.

 
 
 
JumpDrive
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5.1.37  JumpDrive  replied to  Colour Me Free @5.1.34    3 years ago
Not completely accurate

But mostly accurate. The ’93 Chafee plan included the individual mandate. From your Politifact excerpt “There were some significant differences but in a side-by-side comparison, the similarities dominate.” “designed to work at the state level...” is specious. The larger the pool the better. The young & healthy defraying the cost for those with pre-existing conditions is how insurance works. Young drivers would never be able to get insurance if theirs was not subsidized by experienced drivers. People with lots of kids wouldn’t be able to educate them if people with 1 or no kids weren’t subsidizing them. The Medicaid expansion was a godsend for rural hospitals and the millions who got healthcare in the states where the governors didn’t deny it.

The reason Romneycare worked well is because Democrats worked with Republicans to make it work. The same way Democrats, who uniformly voted against Bush’s drug entitlement, worked with Republicans to make that work. All Republicans have done is damage ACA wherever and whenever they could; yet it still survives because it is the best we can do in the face of Republican and Insurance company intransigence.

I’m not sure why you posted the comparison of ACA and Chafee’s, I made no claims there. My point to X… was that the mandate was a good conservative idea that makes people take responsibility for their healthcare while also making it possible to cover pre-existing conditions. It’s removal is like having auto-insurance you could buy when you have an accident. A nonsensical notion, but exactly what Republicans did to damage ACA.

 
 
 
JBB
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5.1.38  JBB  replied to  JumpDrive @5.1.36    3 years ago

Righties cannot seem to get it through their noggins that overall we Americans all end up paying twice as much per person for our collective healthcare compared with all other modern nations and yet we get worse outcomes exactly because of all the excessive layers of profit taking by for profit providers, insurance companies, drug and appliance companies and collection agencies which only our very inefficient very ineffective very corrupted system will allow. There is no free lunch. You pay one way or the other. The sad fact is we (ourselves, our employers and our government) on average pay twice what we should have to. I blame the gop... 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.39  Jack_TX  replied to  JumpDrive @5.1.36    3 years ago
*sigh* who do you think pays for people without insurance who end up in ERs? Hint: Hospitals get to distribute those costs across the people who do have insurance.

Or....in the real world, hospitals charge whatever they can get away with, just like every other business.

If charging more is a function of their losses in unreimbursed care, then we could count on them to start charging less if more people had insurance.   Do show the class how that happened as all these additional souls got covered under the Affordable Care Act.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.40  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @5.1.38    3 years ago
I blame the gop... 

Your child-like misunderstanding of our healthcare system aside, you pretty much blame the GOP for everything from male pattern baldness to pineapple tacos and all things in between.  

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.41  JBB  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.40    3 years ago

You can't tell me how or why I am wrong but you can insult?

Americans in total pay twice as much for worse outcomes...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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5.1.42  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @5.1.41    3 years ago
You can't tell me how or why I am wrong but you can insult? Americans in total pay twice as much for worse outcomes...

Yes.  We pay twice as much.  US providers make twice as much.... or more... than most of their counterparts in other countries.   For example, US Medicare reimburses providers about double what Canadian Medicare does.   A Physician's Assistant in the US makes more than an actual primary care doctor in most other countries.  

Yes.  We have worse outcomes.  We live ridiculously unhealthy lifestyles.  Two thirds of us are overweight, and half of those are obese.  We spend a quarter trillion/yr simply on complications of obesity.  That doesn't account for all the other problems our lifestyles generate.  "Walking distance" in most of the United States stops at 100 yards.  We spend over $900 per person per year on fast food alone.

One American in 6 takes medication for "anxiety" and 1 in 7 takes it on a permanent basis.  Because we just can't even. 

US physicians wrote 300 million pain prescriptions in 2015. Americans are responsible for 80% of the world's opioid consumption.  In all, we fill over 4 billion prescriptions per year in the US.   That is an average of 13 scrips for every man, woman and child in this country.  Every year.

We are NOT getting worse outcomes because people are not insured.  As Democrats love to tell us, 90% of us are now covered.  

We are also NOT spending $3.5 trillion/yr because that 10% is not insured.  That's just silly.  

We spend so much and get poor outcomes because we're a bunch of weak, lazy, fat, stupid bastards who expect to live however we want and then go see doctor for magic pills to make us feel all better.

 
 
 
Studiusbagus
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5.1.43  Studiusbagus  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.39    3 years ago
If charging more is a function of their losses in unreimbursed care, then we could count on them to start charging less if more people had insurance.   Do show the class how that happened as all these additional souls got covered under the Affordable Care Act. 

Actually PPACA cut them out. That's why hospitals were closing emergency rooms because people were actually seeing private doctors instead of using the emergency rooms as primary care.

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
5.1.44  JBB  replied to  Jack_TX @5.1.42    3 years ago

The ineffective inefficient expensive corrupt healthcare system we all suffer under comes to us courtesy of the damn gop in Congress which has fought tooth and nail to derail all needed changes resulting in the bankruptcies of millions of American families at the behest of med-rich gop doners in the insurance and pharma industries that are making onerous profits at everyone else's expense. It is our own stinking political system (the gop has controlled all brances of government for two years now) we voted for that gave us such our overpriced undereffective messed up healthcare system and that protects and perpetuates the lousy status quo...

 
 
 
livefreeordie
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5.1.45  livefreeordie  replied to  JBB @5.1.44    3 years ago

Trump and the current US Congress gave America it's healthcare system?  We haven't had a healthcare system that hasn't been controlled by Government since 1965.

 
 
 
cms5
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6  cms5    3 years ago

I find the obsession of President Trump and the labeling of those who support the President to be rather comical. While it is simple to acknowledge that there are extremists on both sides; those who absolutely hate the President, and those who find the President to be the best thing since sliced bread - Neither has the right to belittle the other.

The continued abuse of those who still support Trump doesn't solve anything at all. Hillary proved that during her campaign. The left leaning media and their skewed polls led to complacency on election day. If anyone is to 'blame' - take a look at all of your blue buddies who took a 'why bother' attitude and failed to cast a vote. Winning the 'popular vote' in already blue states didn't cut it either.

Instead of obsessing over the President...gather all of your 'well educated friends' and motivate them into voting. The mid-terms was a start...but not the finish. Meanwhile, if people choose to see positive in this President...letting that get under your skin is just simply juvenile.

BTW - I will continue to support this President as long as he holds the office. You can label me all that you want. Kicking and screaming has never swayed anyone.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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6.2  XDm9mm  replied to  cms5 @6    3 years ago
I find the obsession of President Trump and the labeling of those who support the President to be rather comical.

The outstanding word of your post is "OBSESSION".   Those against President Trump for the most part are suffering a mental health crisis.  They truly ARE obsessed with Trump, any who support him, and will find fault in anything and everything done.   There is no way Trump or his supporters could placate the haters short of dying off and turning to dust.....   but then, they would complain that Trump and his supporters created a major dust storm.

If any question my contention, here's the definition of obsession.  I suggest some look in the mirror when they read it and include the synonyms.

ob·ses·sion
/əbˈseSHən/
noun
  1. the state of being obsessed with someone or something.
    "she cared for him with a devotion bordering on obsession"
    • an idea or thought that continually preoccupies or intrudes on a person's mind.
      plural noun: obsessions
      "he was in the grip of an obsession he was powerless to resist"
      synonyms: fixationruling/consuming passion, passionmaniaidée fixecompulsionpreoccupationinfatuationaddictionfetishcrazehobbyhorse; 
      phobiacomplexneurosis; 
 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
6.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    3 years ago

The only obsession we have regarding tRump is getting the truth - which is not possible from him or his corrupt gang of thugs administration.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  Tessylo @6.2.1    3 years ago

They lack originality, that's for damn sure. The right got tired of being outed as having ""ODS", so in a complete stroke of genius, they came up with "TDS"... LOL 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
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6.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to    3 years ago
Thank you for the diagnosis

You're welcome.    

I'm not a doctor, but if the "diagnosis" fits, you might want to avail yourself of the services of one.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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6.2.5  Phoenyx13  replied to  XDm9mm @6.2    3 years ago
Those against President Trump for the most part are suffering a mental health crisis. They truly ARE obsessed with Trump, any who support him, and will find fault in anything and everything done.   There is no way Trump or his supporters could placate the haters short of dying off and turning to dust.....   but then, they would complain that Trump and his supporters created a major dust storm

this sounds vaguely familiar... let's substitute Obama for Trump and see what happens shall we ? In fact, from some comments i have seen lately - there seem to be a lot of conservative minded people who still have an obsessive hatred for Obama and can't acknowledge anything good from his administration - but find the current administration to be transparently faultless.

looks like a pendulum thing to me..

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
6.2.6  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @6.2.3    3 years ago

Before you all claim credit for creating ODS, let’s remember that BDS preceded it and his defenders started the whole derangement Syndrome thing.  Also note that Bush was referrred to as a chimp by his detractors before any other President was called some primate variation.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.2.7  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.2.6    3 years ago
Before you all claim credit for creating ODS

I didn't. 

let’s remember that BDS preceded it

Never once heard that one. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.3  MrFrost  replied to  cms5 @6    3 years ago
Neither has the right to belittle the other.

The right never got the memo. 8 years in office and most on the right STILL can't seem to spell, "Obama". It's oblabla, ostupid, oretard, (not to mention the racist comments not only about him, but his wife and kids) etc. etc. etc.... But we on the left are show respect to tRUMP? Not going to happen. Sorry. 

Honestly, Obama wore a tan suit and the right wing was outraged for MONTHS. Trump slams a gold star family and not only does the right wing media give trump a pass, they actually back him up?

But the left is supposed to be civil and respectful? Um.....................no. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.3.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @6.3    3 years ago
The right never got the memo. 8 years in office and most on the right STILL can't seem to spell, "Obama". It's oblabla, ostupid, oretard, (not to mention the racist comments not only about him, but his wife and kids) etc. etc. etc.... But we on the left are show respect to tRUMP? Not going to happen. Sorry. 

I know, right?

cms5 expects us to respect this man when I never saw her rebuke anybody on the right when they mocked Obama and his family with "Obummy, Obummer, Moochelle, etc" or constantly called Mrs Obama an ape or a man.

Sorry, once they get over their double standards I will on mine. I'm trying to take the high road but the hypocrisy of some here on the right is simply breathtaking

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
6.3.2  cms5  replied to  Trout Giggles @6.3.1    3 years ago

Actually, I don't expect anything from you at all.

 
 
 
cms5
Freshman Quiet
6.3.3  cms5  replied to  MrFrost @6.3    3 years ago

Expecting anyone on the 'left' to show respect for the current President would be extremely unrealistic, and I never asked for anyone to do so.

I merely pointed out the obsession and the labeling as being comical and ineffective. We can also include the 'tit-for-tat' mentality.

We all get it - you hate anything that isn't BLUE.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.3.4  Trout Giggles  replied to  cms5 @6.3.2    3 years ago

Well all righty then. I pegged you all wrong

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
6.3.6  MrFrost  replied to  cms5 @6.3.3    3 years ago
We all get it - you hate anything that isn't BLUE.

My truck is white, love my truck. Motorcycle is black, love that too. My BMW that I sold was silver, loved that car. 

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
6.4  lib50  replied to  cms5 @6    3 years ago

I believe that when one supports a candidate that espouses racist viewpoints, ignoring that to vote for 'other reasons' one leaves themselves open to being called a racist.  I could NEVER support a candidate with those views no matter what I thought it would do to my finances.  EVER.  So many do it without a second thought and expect the rest of us to go along and pretend the racism means little or nothing, and that ain't happening.  There is a line in the sand, and crossing it loses my vote no matter what.  The fact that so many 'values' voters don't care screams volumes to the world.  Stop trying to pretend this race baiting.   And I do agree with you on the voting and those who can't be bothered. 

You continue to support the president,  if you are part of that shrinking base that he speaks and EO's (using is as a verb here) to,  I guess you wouldn't have a problem calling him your president.  He doesn't speak or EO to the rest of us, he could not care less about anybody except those who fuel him, so why would we consider him our pres if he doesn't?  And sorry, but supporting him does put you in that messy place having to defend against charges of racism because that is such a huge part of who he is.  I don't really know how you keep that stench off because it is pretty nasty.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
6.4.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  lib50 @6.4    3 years ago
The fact that so many 'values' voters don't care screams volumes to the world

It sure does. It tells me that their so-called values have only ever been window dressing

 
 
 
PJ
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6.4.2  PJ  replied to  lib50 @6.4    3 years ago

Bravo

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
7  JBB    3 years ago

The once Grand Old Party of Lincoln is now known merely as, "the gop"...

The gop gave us Trump. Trumpism is misbegotten. So, we all must resist.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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7.1  1stwarrior  replied to  JBB @7    3 years ago

Why?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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8  Jack_TX    3 years ago

Item one.... Do not confuse opposition to Democrats as support for Trump.  He is in the WH because that's how much America didn't want Hillary to be president.

Item two.... "Unacceptable" ????  When you get to decide what is acceptable for people to believe, we'll let you know.  

Item three....  Despite silly liberals panicking at a new imagined calamity every twenty minutes, life for regular Americans just rolls on along, and is actually better in quite a few ways since two years ago.  The lesson there is that any president has remarkably little impact on your daily life.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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8.1  Phoenyx13  replied to  Jack_TX @8    3 years ago
Do not confuse opposition to Democrats as support for Trump.  He is in the WH because that's how much America didn't want Hillary to be president.

i love this reasoning.... like you are stating our elections aren't set up to vote for someone but they are set up to vote against someone... guess what ? if you vote "against" someone - you are voting "for" another person whether you like it or not. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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8.1.1  Jack_TX  replied to  Phoenyx13 @8.1    3 years ago
i love this reasoning.... like you are stating our elections aren't set up to vote for someone but they are set up to vote against someone... guess what ? if you vote "against" someone - you are voting "for" another person whether you like it or not. 

You're unfamiliar with the concept of "lesser of two evils", I see.

Yes, people often vote for what they see as the lesser evil.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
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8.1.2  Phoenyx13  replied to  Jack_TX @8.1.1    3 years ago
You're unfamiliar with the concept of "lesser of two evils", I see. Yes, people often vote for what they see as the lesser evil.

oh i'm familiar with the concept and it doesn't change this simple fact that i posted and you quoted:

like you are stating our elections aren't set up to vote for someone but they are set up to vote against someone... guess what ? if you vote "against" someone - you are voting"for" another person whether you like it or not. 

i made the important part bold so you wouldn't miss it this time :)we don't vote against anyone - whether we all like it or not - you are voting for someone. It's a very simple concept, regardless of your personal reasons for voting... you are voting for someone. Understand ? (here's another simple concept - when you vote for someone, then you are showing your support for that someone since you voted for them... let me know if that's too difficult)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
8.1.3  Jack_TX  replied to  Phoenyx13 @8.1.2    3 years ago

None of your lovely but pointless pedantic escapades change the fact that one should not mistake opposition to Hillary as support for Trump, any more than one should presume the citizens of Flint, Michigan drink contaminated water because they prefer it.  They simply have no other option.

Many, many, many people who voted for Trump don't like him at all.  But they would rather have his obnoxious yankee ass than Hillary.

I didn't vote for Trump.  But in no way should my vote be construed as support for Hillary.  She is an utterly reprehensible, vile, and despicable human being.  I would have voted for Trump if Bernie had been his opponent.  I can't stand Trump, but I would have voted for Charles Manson to keep Bernie out of the WH.

So we choose from the options the extremist nutjobs of our country present us.  That does not mean we support them.

 
 
 
Phoenyx13
Sophomore Quiet
8.1.4  Phoenyx13  replied to  Jack_TX @8.1.3    3 years ago
None of your lovely but pointless pedantic escapades change the fact that one should not mistake opposition to Hillary as support for Trump, any more than one should presume the citizens of Flint, Michigan drink contaminated water because they prefer it.  They simply have no other option.

i guess the simple set up of our elections escapes you - you don't vote against anyone, you only vote for someone (regardless of your personal reasons for hating or not wanting to support another candidate) which means - if you voted for Trump, on paper whether you like it or not (you can't escape this) - you support Trump.

Just like in Flint Michigan - there were other options (4 candidates total or choosing not to vote in the case of the election --- people could get bottled water etc in the case of Michigan).

Many, many, many people who voted for Trump don't like him at all.  But they would rather have his obnoxious yankee ass than Hillary.

which means - if you voted for Trump then you supported him over Hillary (guess what ? that means you support Trump - if you voted for him - since we vote for people and not against people)

I didn't vote for Trump.  But in no way should my vote be construed as support for Hillary.  She is an utterly reprehensible, vile, and despicable human being.  I would have voted for Trump if Bernie had been his opponent.  I can't stand Trump, but I would have voted for Charles Manson to keep Bernie out of the WH.

which means you support other people besides Trump. Congrats !

So we choose from the options the extremist nutjobs of our country present us.  That does not mean we support them.

if you vote for someone - then on paper (and you can't escape this) you support that person since we vote for people and not against people (this is a very simple concept, i'm not sure why you don't understand it)

To pretend otherwise is silly at best. we don't have elections to vote against people and your personal reasons for voting for someone is irrelevant - the fact remains you voted for that person which means you support them, period. Do you understand now ?

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
Professor Participates
9  Dean Moriarty    3 years ago

Nobody gets everything they want in a President the Jebists are not going to be happy with all of Trumps moves same as the Rand Paulists. One thing is almost all Republicans will agree Trump is better than anything the Dems have to offer. He has helped to slow the plague of socialism infesting the country. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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9.1  author  lennylynx  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9    3 years ago

Well, if you think the country is too far left, any right winger would be better than any left winger, ideology wise.  Sure, I get that, I would prefer left Presidents because I think the country is too far right.  BUT, my complaints about Trump have NOTHING to do with left/right politics.  The guy is a total basket case, it's like having a spoiled angry 5-year-old for a president.  His foreign policy is even MORE horrible from a right wing standpoint.  Can you imagine what the hypocrite party would be saying if a Democratic president sucked up to Putin and dissed our allies one tenth as much as Trump does?  They would be peeling Repuke politicians off the congressional CEILING for chrissake.  Sure, I don't like the corporate tax cut or the far right justices, but that's NOT what I'm complaining about.  Trump could not possibly be more unfit for the office he holds.

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Quiet
9.1.2  Cerenkov  replied to    3 years ago

Psychosis.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dean Moriarty @9    3 years ago

You are correct that socialism is an infestation in America.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10  Tessylo    3 years ago

H'e is in the WH because that's how much America didn't want Hillary to be president.'

Only item . . . More than 3 million voters WANTED HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT.  

'and is actually better in quite a few ways since two years ago.'

which 'quite a few ways' would they be?

 
 
 
KDMichigan
Junior Guide
10.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @10    3 years ago
Only item . . . More than 3 million voters WANTED HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT.  

Who freaking cares other than some uninformed proglibs?

If all of California and New York voted for Hillaryious Hillary who gives a crap, that is why we have the EC. 

If people love left leaning states so much then move there.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
10.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @10    3 years ago
Only item . . . More than 3 million voters WANTED HILLARY TO BE PRESIDENT.  

63 million people were so against Hillary that they were willing to vote for one of the most hated men in America, if not the world.  Hatred of Trump goes back to the 1980's and beyond...in case you believed that Millennials invented it.  Yet tens of millions of Americans saw Trump as a better option than Hillary.  

which 'quite a few ways' would they be?

Unemployment is lower.  Minority unemployment is lower.  Wages are higher.  The economy is growing.  The stock market is up.  Median net worth is up.  

For regular Americans who work, pay bills, raise kids, and pay their own way, things are better than they were two years ago.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @10.2    3 years ago

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Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
10.2.2  Jack_TX  replied to  Tessylo @10.2.1    3 years ago

I'll consider that your concession of the point.  

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Quiet
10.2.3  Cerenkov  replied to  Jack_TX @10.2.2    3 years ago

That's all she has.

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
PhD Principal
11  Release The Kraken    3 years ago

Do not mistake your butthurt and sadness for the rest of normal America that accept election results and move on with our lives.

The economy is amazing, I'm making money like the 90s and don't give a rats ass who the president is.

"It's the economy, stupid"

 
 
 
lib50
Professor Quiet
11.1  lib50  replied to  Release The Kraken @11    3 years ago
It's the economy, stupid"

Or not, since the gop didn't find it a useful campaign rally cry.  Don't you wonder why? 

 
 
 
Kathleen
Professor Principal
11.2  Kathleen  replied to  Release The Kraken @11    3 years ago

That seems to be the biggest problem.

I am so glad that I am not obsessed with this. I just go on with my life.  It's a sickness.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
12  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Donald Trump has never ever ever been a legitimate politician.  His entire political career is fruit from a poisoned tree. People who support Trump in the face of the mountains of evidence that he is a horrible human being and horrible president must then be considered to be among the worst people in America. They support something that has tremendously damaged the country despite the fact that they know it is horrible. If they don't see it is horrible, then they are the worst for their profound ignorance. 

Donald Trump's political career was BORN in a lie. In 2011 he wanted to create a political following among Republicans because he wanted to run for president in 2012. He saw the "birther" movement among tea party Republicans as a place where he could create a political brand for himself and a voter base. So voila he became the nation's chief birther, spending months peddling nonsense intended to discredit President Obama. Trump knew every word he was saying was a lie, but he did it anyway. Because he is a life long liar. 

No patriotic American should have ever again given Trump credence as a politician or a political candidate. He was , in effect, disgraced. 

But, the worst among us welcomed Trump into the 2016 presidential primaries. The very first thing Trump did was to lie about people coming up here from Mexico. Soon he led off his debate appearances by insulting a reporter about menstrual bleeding. He also said that one of his female opponents was too ugly to be taken seriously as a candidate. He called almost every one of his primary opponents childish, idiotic, nicknames. The worst among us laughed and thought this was all jolly fun. Soon Trump was asking the Russians to steal private information from his Democratic opponent. He cozied up to the Russian dictator. Again the worst among us approved. 

Trump's presidency has had a theme of daily chaos. People who know Donald Trump well say the only thing he cares about is fighting. There have been 4 or 5 books written, just in the first two years, that detail, and name names, that discuss the massive dysfunction of the Trump administration. Multiple Trump cabinet members have either been forced to resign or are under investigation for corruption within their departments related to abuse of power or attempts to unethically financially enrich themselves.  

For the first time in modern American history white racists and white nationalists have openly supported and endorsed the president of the United States. That may be in part because Trump and his sons have openly passed on information from white racists and white supremacists on social media. In any case, racist support for Trump and his acceptance of that support is an open secret. The worst among us support Trump in spite of that truth. 

Trump has tried to eliminate every vestige of his immediate predecessors from memory, which has led him to support repeal of "Obamacare" even though Trump has said during the campaign and prior to that , that he supports medical insurance coverage for all. He has us in uncertain and perturbed relations with our closes allies in the world, even while making nice nice with dictators and authoritarians around the world. 

Most of all, Trump is a hopelessly serial liar. He was recently documented making 30 lies every day, as he was trying to convince the worst people in America to vote for him and his chosen candidates in the election. What motivates someone to support a leader who lies to the public 30 times a day?  

It is hardly unfair to refer to Trump supporters in unflattering ways. The real question is why do others , independents, moderates, libertarians, accept Trump as just another "partisan". 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Junior Quiet
12.1  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @12    3 years ago
Donald Trump has never ever ever been a legitimate politician.

You say as though there is such a thing as a "legitimate" politician...and they're not all bastards.  

You also say that as though being a "legitimate politician" is somehow a good thing.  In what universe is that the case?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
PhD Principal
12.2  Release The Kraken  replied to  JohnRussell @12    3 years ago

Wow it's like election night at the Hillary headquarters all over again. It's hard to watch the drama llama tears.

It's time to man up, reach between and get over it.

Join a bingo club, get some fresh air etc

 
 
 
Cerenkov
Professor Quiet
12.2.1  Cerenkov  replied to  Release The Kraken @12.2    3 years ago

I enjoy the liberal tears. They are invigorating. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
12.2.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Cerenkov @12.2.1    3 years ago

I know!  Looking at pictures of the Hillary victory party in NYC on 11-9-16 since it was after midnight their time is still a pleasure for me.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Principal
13  It Is ME    3 years ago

"If you support Trump, after all he has said and done, you are simply not a worthwhile human being."

I HATE this economy now. jrSmiley_50_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_30_smiley_image.gif

"Calgon" bring me back to the days of Struggling " jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
PhD Principal
13.1  Release The Kraken  replied to  It Is ME @13    3 years ago

The obama economy.......no one wants that back. Not even the Obama's.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Principal
13.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Release The Kraken @13.1    3 years ago

800

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 years ago

I need to remind people of some things. The CoC is in effect on a blog. Violations will not be tolerated. 

Also when report violations and you are using the note section, please do not send us insults about a member. 

Thank you. 

 
 
 
lennylynx
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14.1  author  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14    3 years ago

Lol, you better keep an eye on this if you care about the CoC, I'll let everything go! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
Professor Principal
14.1.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  lennylynx @14.1    3 years ago

Lenny, 

You need to read the CoC. This is your responsibility to make sure that the CoC is not violated 

 
 
 
lennylynx
Sophomore Participates
14.1.2  author  lennylynx  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @14.1.1    3 years ago

I interpret the CoC in a very liberal manner! jrSmiley_2_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
PhD Principal
14.1.3  Release The Kraken  replied to  lennylynx @14.1.2    3 years ago

If you treat the coc with respect, it will never let you down

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
14.1.4  XXJefferson51  replied to  lennylynx @14.1.2    3 years ago

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