Legally armed woman shoots and kills gunman firing into crowded party: Police
By: Luke Gentile
One stopped............thanks to the lady with the gun.
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he shooter, identified as 37-year-old Dennis Butler, began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party at a Charleston, West Virginia, apartment complex before he was shot, police said
Butler had been at the apartment complex earlier Wednesday night in his vehicle and had been warned to slow down due to children playing.
No injuries were reported.
"Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives," Sgt. Tony Hazelett, the assistant chief of detectives for the Charleston Police Department, said.
After she fatally shot the gunman, the woman and party guests waited for police to arrive, and all reportedly cooperated with the investigation, law enforcement said.
The woman has not been charged, and no charges are expected, Hazelett said.
It is unconfirmed whether Butler had legally acquired his AR-15-style rifle.
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Good samaritan
There are a great many out there but sadly the MSM generally won't give them any credit.
I don’t recall the part in that story about returning fire with a pistol.
Now the wedding where they thought the water was wine? That was probably a humdinger!
Very Brave! Seconds count...
Thank God for this woman, her gun, and her bravery.
Incredibly, and against so much “conventional wisdom,” she managed to bring down the killer without randomly killing dozens of innocent bystanders herself.
good end to bad situation
Bravo to that courageous lady! And not one word from the anti gun lefties on this so far. Yes, there was a legally armed good gal with a gun to put a stop to the perpetrator.
A story like that gets buried with the Classifieds.
Sadly, most of the time that is quite true.
Thank god she was there. Sadly she is the big, big, big outlier. Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time, let the retarded fantasy go.
Sure - only the NYC Police are allowed to pepper a sidewalk.
What stops them?
It isn't a fantasy. It's statistics. I don't know where you got your 99% figure but it probably isn't unreasonable. But it's important to understand the number. Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time because they failed. They don't stop them because they weren't there. A more revealing statistic would be, in the cases where there was a good guy (or woman) with a gun, how often did they make a difference?
There's a reason Mass Shooters like to target "Gun Free Zones", they want to shoot people without getting shot themselves.
Good thing he wasn't exactly a sniper.
he was probably drunk again, his record indicates that he was a slow learner
But he was smart enough to get an AR style rifle somehow...
Hopefully the birthday/graduation party was able to continue unabated.
Just goes to show that a black man can be wrong as two left shoes and dangerous! Additionally, your point is not lost on me, us: AR style rifles are not meant for civilized people. The people who us them against people are brutes!
He had an extensive criminal record....
Proof that there is a BIG problem with the existing system.
Which system would that be?
The system that doesn't keep criminals off the street; fails to charge them and hold them to the full extent of the law especially when it comes to enforcing firearm laws; and makes constant excuses for them until the inevitable happens and people wind up dead.
You mean that system?
It's working 'swell' for TRUMP.
Trump?
AGAIN??????????
Yes, the system that incarcerates more people than any other country
than China. That system.
Incarceration Rates by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)
How is it working for you? From your comments, not so much.
The home of the brave and land of liberty leads the world in gun violence
and overall incarceration and you want more incarceration to enforce the gun
laws you say are ineffective and violate the Constitution?
That is some serious internal conflict.
Or how about the guy's own community? This guy didn't live in a cave. He wasn't an unknown. Someone sold him the gun. Someone in the community knows who to go to for that sort of thing. But there's this deranged "don't be a snitch" ethos that protects and perpetuates such things.
Until the first shot was fired at his grandmother no crimes were committed. A troubled kid was legally allowed to purchase two high powered high caliber industrial killing machines and enough 5.56 ammunition to kill half their town.
No rules were broken. No laws violated. The US does not have a disproportional amount of the world's criminally insane. The US has easy access to big guns and ammunition...
Why is an incarceration rate not a reflection of crime rate? The jails are full of innocents?
What bullshit. China sends people to reeducation camps and makes people simply disappear, are they considered "incarcerated'? We don't enforce our laws to the full extent, period. We put criminals back on the god damn street daily. You can thank leftist DA's backed by Soros for that one. You think our laws are being enforced when shit like this is happening?
https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-violence-austin-police/11079879/#:~:text=CHICAGO%20(WLS)%20%2D%2D%20There%20is,%2C%20including%20first%2Ddegree%20murder .
This is the reason I can't have a rational discussion with leftists. This broken system that regurgitates real damn criminals back onto the street to commit more serious and violent crimes because they know there are no damn consequences. And the left bitches that too damn many people in the US are incarcerated. What fucking bullshit!
Surely you know better than I do.
... because he has access to a free press.
So do I. I read USA TODAY, npr world news and npr American news, CTV NEWS (Canada Television News website) and Microsoft Bing News every single day, and a lot more sites when they have stories that interest me. And guess what, THEY'RE FREE PRESS.
Free press does not particularly equal reliable or accurate.
So it is our own gun 'success' story that is the sickness. Yep. Send 'em to school and they 'eat' the teachers!!!
I haven't seen the data on criminally insane proportionality, but pretending access is the only or even the primary issue ignores several other data points.
We've had access to big guns and ammunition for a long time. Indiscriminate killing of mass numbers of complete strangers is a relatively recent phenomenon.
We can't just pretend that outlawing something is going to make a problem go away, simply because we're afraid to talk about what we as a nation do to our boys.
Um, different person. Different issue.
Your reply could equally be directed to squiggy.
It could have but I did not see his post beforehand.
And criminals!
Are you an expert?
Prove it with using the MSM you detest.
If we did, chances are you would be the first to protest being white and arrested for jay walking.
Raise taxes, build more jails and hire more "jailers".
I don't worry about the twisted shit you conspiracy people believe.
There are twice as many lawyers as there are police, all looking 4 a pay check
to keep people out of jail.
It's the system we defend religiously with our "inalienable" 2nd Amendment rights
while we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.
That's not the reason and you know it.
It's called social justice.
while we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.
I don't pretend. It's the radical left and yes, they are EVIL!
Luby's more or less coincided with video gaming jumping from consoles to PC's
in the mid 90's and gradually onto the internet with more and more improved graphics.
So do we outlaw the video games that condition these kids to
"winning" by the highest score of video graphic violence
or raise the age limit for when they can legally obtain the means to
"practice" on live targets.
2022, day 149(?) 254 "mass" shootings so far, 126 successful suicides with
216 other incidents ending in 294 gunshot injuries.
I was somewhat leery of the figure of 17,818 deaths from gun violence ( all causes )
year to date, but it only allowed me to download the most recent 2,000 and it only takes us back to April 19.2022.
Number of Deaths in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive
Pretty sad.
Russia the radical left? What are you smoking? Russia is a neo-fascist state allied with white supremacist and theocratic dominionists. Putin is Trump's ally and partner. Russian oligarch money has gone to the NRA, one of America's leading reactionary pressure groups. Russia has alliances with right-wing reactionary political parties throughout Europe.
As for China, while they profess to be a communist society, in reality the country is a military authoritarian state with an enormous capitalist economy that you will experience if you ever go there.
While both countries are certainly controlled by evil regimes, your "radical left" labelling is nothing more than propagandistic distortion.
I have daily business in Portland Oregon where the jails are restricted by both overcrowding settlements and COVID restrictions.
They have an empty and private jail sitting empty for years because they can't hire enough people to staff the prison.
Why do so many CBP live in Uvalde when they work an hour to 2 hours away from the border? It's decent, but I doubt you would want to live there.
Better buy a thesaurus or a clue.
Yes, pretend is the nice way to put it.
Evil comes in all human shapes, colors, sizes and religions be they worshiping spirits
or words on paper or the Boston Celtics.
Because "we" vilified the communists for such behavior throughout the Cold War?
No doubt we would take the opposite stance while criticizing our own law enforcement
and military for closing rank against outsiders.
Lol... Comparing genocide and concentration camps to putting people in jail after a trial by their peers for violating laws passed democratically.
Yeah, same thing as concentration camps for religious minorities, forced sterilizations, rape etc.
The CCP has murdered tends of millions of its citizens. But, sure, America is worse.
How does anyone ever get the idea the left hates America?
Yeah, but that guy was 35, so I dunno if that influenced him or not in that particular instance. Maybe it did. Tough to say.
I don't know. I think that's a great question, which starts to honestly open the broad ranging discussion we'll need to have as a nation before we can actually make any progress.
Personally, I think the whole phenomenon is due to a confluence of factors, so I think we're going to need the combination of a lot of things to push us back in the right direction. But yeah, I think video games and media should be open for discussion, at least. We've also got to take a long hard look at how we raise our boys. We've been so focused on empowering girls and women over the last few decades that we've lost sight of the fact that boys don't raise themselves.
Safety doors and police officers on every campus seem a minimum requirement at this point. People will bitch about the costs, but we've literally just given away $3trillion since 2020. We can afford a few billion for school security.
We can definitely take a look at limiting access to certain types of weapons based on age or special licensing, but that's not a remotely serious solution by itself, and we're never going to get any traction on it at all unless it accompanies a broad, legitimate set of steps on a lot of the contributory issues.
The issue I have with this number and GVA is that they define "mass shooting" at 4 people injured. That's not a "mass shooting", that's just a drug deal gone bad. To lump that in with stuff like Uvalde or Sandy Hook is a pretty transparent attempt to politicize the issue while claiming they're not politicizing the issue.
How does anyone ever get the idea that the right and their Dear Leader hate America?
And, of course, there is this from the reactionary Governor of South Dakota:
Spot on and an inconvenient truth for the left.
Um.... yeah. That's it /s
Now that is
funny. Oh, it's true. It's true. Can Ronin2 say, " Privilege."
Why do you think social justice is against conservative beliefs?
How does social justice differ from justice?
'No because he is teflon to 'wokeness',
can't see the white trees in the dark forest, lol.
Any court decision they disagree with.
If we had an award for the best comment made on NT ever,
I would give you my limit of votes, period. (and then some, lol)
Thank you.
An inconvenient truth for everyone.
It's only made possible by the plethora of weapons available in this
country every year.
2/3s of all murder - suicides fail, leaving the perp alive but most likely brain damaged.
97% of all murder suicides leave one adult survivor, the murderer.
Would strict gun control like Russia or China eliminate similar tragedies in the US?
Not at all, but a huge reduction would be acceptable, would it not?
Public access is a philosophical perspective. However, if you must 'lock-down' access daily just to be free of exposure to injury and death. The 'thing' is effectively altered and deformed. That is, from the inside peering out, young kids may feel that they are in 'closed off' reformatories.
It would be failure of the system. All to keep ammo-sexuals free to run outside the bounds with weaponry playing "war-games." How did some of us ever get here in the 21st century?
By the way, some conservatives can't see to come to a compromise on guns (they want all the guns and gunpowder "freedom" they can shit), so now I ask point blank:
Who do some conservatives plan to use AR-15's on in the grand scheme of this country anyway? Because if it is sport. . . what is the name of the "game." And if it's wildlife, what beast in this country needs to be "desecrated" with bullets?
Please reread Ronin's comments, then attempt to respond to me without the
obvious trolling, thank you.
Sean, you are the same person who trolled myself and others,
that without exhumed bodies and DNA proof of Native Indian children buried
around numerous re-education schools sponsored by the governments of the
USA and Canada, you would not believe it happened in spite of overwhelming
testimony of the families and Indian Bureau's of both countries.
Where is your concrete proof of the Chinese atrocities?
Where is there any evidence that any one can take your continuously
expressed bias seriously?
Thank you for trying to participate meaningfully.
Social justice is about justice, yes. So a better question would be what are the differences between justice and injustice? Want to go there, or will you take a routine pass?
What some conservatives in the gun debate are detailing is fatalism. In the greatest country (we tell ourselves) in the world we are 'whipped' by guns overrunning us. And conservatives have no compromising glue how to help grandpa and grandma (sickly and on walkers shop outside the home) without them risking getting gunned down. It's sheer fatalism coming from that side of the aisle.
The constitution SAYS it so that is all conservatives wish to know! Even if it kills us all one person at a time!
What sticky stuff do you have?
My copy says nothing about fatalism, maybe you’ve gotten documents mixed up.
I asked how they differ?
Better perhaps but not what I asked.
Ok, answer the better question and forget about a distinction between social justice and justice.
Why? Why doesn't that seem to be a problem with airports? There are armed guards, security doors and metal detectors when I go to jury duty. Why isn't it "deformed" but a school somehow would be?
Do they feel that way at the bank?
BTW, if we really want to see what a society values, look at what the armed guards protect.
Well if it's such a rousing success currently, I guess we're all set then.
Have you suggested a compromise?
"Shooting". Shooting is a sport.
Feral hogs, for one.
That's literally exactly what he asked.
It's like asking one of those magic eight balls questions but all the answers are woke.
It doesn't really apply. You boast of news availability to advance your political points - while using a Chinese dearth to claim ignorance of the unfavorable. You don't know nothin when you want to.
We're near done, Drinker'.
An it takes an assault rifle to control hogs? Are you just making up an excuse or pulling one out of the air as opportunity?
Me offer conservatives a set of compromise proposals? Why? The professional conservatives in red states and congress reject ('shoot down') reasonable proposals 'everyday' - why would I even try to offer YOU ALL anything. But, for shits and giggles, offer to pay me a consultant fee for my proposals and I will see what I can come up with, deal? Of course it's not deal. This is just another deflection from some conservatives.
The fundamentalist Christian among conservatives chimes in as a critic against social justice! I am not surprised. Fundamentalists are sitting on their hands while Jesus weeps over the failure of our nation to stand up for justice for all!
Weeping isn’t a method.
Do you know what an assault rifle is, and can you define one?
Because that is what reasonable people do when complaining about others not compromising. At least, the people serious about change do.
That is pretty rich, especially after reading some of your posts where you interject race into topics having nothing to do with race.
Great article today by a former Kimber exec.
They targeted young American boys through video games
'Headed for absolute catastrophe': Former firearms exec warns sales of AR-15s will fuel more massacres - Raw Story - Celebrating 18 Years of Independent Journalism
It absolutely does. Seriously, if you don't know that, you're not qualified to be in the gun conversation.
Because you keep pretending to want a compromise and pretend that "some conservatives" are the reason we don't have one. Yet you never, ever, ever, ever manage to even suggest a concrete idea of any kind.
Such as?
At this point, it would demonstrate that you're capable of A) discussing a compromise and/or B) generating an original idea.
Well you would certainly be the expert on deflection. And irony.
It's interesting that he calls guys with Trump stickers and AR-15s "authoritarian forces".
They see themselves as the antithesis of that.
No, it's your own bias.
According to this story, a person arrested for shooting a gun near a Kroger supermarket was released on reduced bail because the Supreme Court of OHIO ruled last year that public safety could not be used to set bail.
Looks very bipartisan doesn't it? Leans Republican 4-3.
Ohio Supreme Court bail ruling sparks debate over public safety and penalizing the poor - WOUB Public Media
Ohio Further Expands Bail Reform (courtnewsohio.gov)
The Bail Reform Movement is a Thing - ConstitutionNEXT
As a result, two things happened.
The Kroger shooting suspect was served another warrant at his home and promptly rearrested for multiple weapons and drug violations. No bail this time.
As far as bail reform goes, the Ohio AG and the GOP originally for it, now is not only against it, they want to change the OHIO constitution to void the court ruling.
But, but, evil liberals and radical leftists...
Only to a certain class of people.
Some people obviously have never seen a full grown feral hog in the wild. I have, I watched a friend of mine take one down that was trampling his corn field. He had a AR-15 style weapon with him. The hog charged him and my friend let off 6 rounds. The first three just pissed it off and slowed it down. It finally went down with the 6th round about 6 feet in front of him. That hog field dressed out at about 400 lbs.
That is a big boar, they develop a hard, armor-like shoulder plating. The shot from the side is straight up from the front hoof, right behind the head avoiding the shoulder, If he is charging, then the best shot is the head, between the boar's eyes and its forehead.
When my Dad used to take me, I carried an old lever action .30-30. He liked a .357 Colt with a Mag load, thought it more sporty.
In one instance, Daniel Defense paid for a production. In the other 843,947,526 violent Hollywood ejaculations, the producers benefitted and they no intention of seeing their 1a rights diminished.
Kimber makes a great line of 1911’s.
As a backup my friend was packing a Colt .357 Python Magnum. He said in retrospect he probably should have used that but he already had the rifle in his hands and he would have finished it off with handgun.
If you need more than a 6-shot magazine to kill a feral hog, you'd better spend a lot more time at a shooting practice faciiity.
Enough bacon and pork chops for a couple months' meals.
Thankfully I don't believe everything I read - but I guess you do, eh Adrian?
If China is a military state, how come the only time I've ever seen a soldier, other than in parades on TV, was about 13 years ago when I took a long walk in Zhengzhou and came across a military base where they park vehicles that was guarded by two soldiers holding rifles? Almost 16 years here and never seeing another military person - damned hard to explain, living in a "military state".
If you think that you’re just killing a feral hog then you might not know what you’re talking about…
“…guarded by two soldiers holding rifles?”
Why did they need rifles.
How many shots do you think it would take you if this was in your face?…
Or this..
Or how about this…
Why would I ever go anywhere where that is the situation? Even a machine gun wouldn't be enough - I think I have a normal sense of self preservation. You Americans can try to prove how big your balls are.
Well, maybe I'm too sensible to go by myself where I would need more than 5 or 6 shots to protect myself, but then I was my school's rifle marksman champion for two years, shooting 10 bullseyes in a row to a 5 target 8 X 10 card at 20 yards with a reconditioned WW2 rifle with no scope. Here is a photo that was published in my city's newspaper of me receiving the trophy for it on my school's games day.
But even with that I never owned a gun and never wanted to.
"Why did they need rifles."
Do your army guardposts at army facilities not have them? I never said the army did not have guns. Isn't that common all around the world? Yet bank guards do NOT have guns, and don't need them.
Has nothing to do with proving how big our balls are, that’s well established.
Ahh, so you got my point?
Must be a wonderful thing to be a pre-cognitive marksman….
Sure, you may as well have posted a herd of wild elephants charging, since that's your point. Certainly American citizens need to protect themselves from a massive attack by a hundred huge wild feral boars. I guess I should write an email to my son in Wisconsin and warn him that such an attack is inevitable. Canadians don't find such dangers quite as common as Americans must, and in any event, at least they're smart enough not to put themselves into such a dangerous situation. Are you also figuring on a Red Dawn invasion? Have you built and outfitted your fallout shelter yet?
Ah so you didn’t get my point. No surprise
LOL. YOU'RE the one with pre-cognition, because you anticipate being mowed down by wild beasts and have to be prepared for it.
Really? Well that's a matter of opinion, isn't it.
Mmmmkay…
Jack, well there you have it. Your answer to gun safety is no better than my own.
Shits and giggles for everybody! And, where I live we don't have any feral hogs that I know of. Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.
And there you have it, I will be reading to see if the conservatives of NT will remark on this story!
So you are an "authority" on Trump sticker 'relations.' Very well, Biden 'voter'. Noted. Carry on.
What is “Trump sticker relations?
Perhaps we could export them to Russia…
Actually, I think you have a point there. And done so in good order with graphics. I relent on that account. Poor beasts, nevertheless. Still, in cities, AR rifles are used for human 'prey.' This is unacceptable.
You can eat them for all I care. The point has been made. Feral hogs and a host of other animals can be taken down with AR rifles. Now, on the spectrum-we know that what can be used for good can also be used for evil. Do you agree it is wrong to decimate human flesh, children or adult, with an AR 15 rifle?
Yes
Nah I think it’s pretty obvious.
Well, if I didn't, then your comment does a pretty shitty job of making one.
What was the flesh of Salvador Ramos decimated with?
He didn't get mine either - but heh.
When was the last time you went on a hog hunt? Tell us all about it.
Buzz, you know how Americans come on here and try to speak authoritatively about China, and it's obvious they've never even been? Don't be that guy.
Feral hogs do literally billions of dollars in damage to crops every year in the US. American farmers and ranchers don't have a choice. They have to do something to control the problem.
Hogs move in packs, they're highly aggressive and very dangerous. They average about 200 pounds, with the largest males going as high as 900 pounds, and they run 20-25 mph. They are known to charge and gore humans, dogs, livestock, and pretty much anything else that pisses them off.
BTW, they're primarily nocturnal.
So if you want to face down a 400 lb charging hog in the dark with some bolt action relic, then you do that.
But until you've gone on a midnight hog hunt in order to try to save your crops, you don't really have any clue in hell what you're talking about and you might want to save your judgementalism.
If they are that much of a pest and are of no value at all, then why the hell are they tolerated at all? America sends it's soldiers all over the world to fight the enemy but it can't wipe out the enemy on its own soil? Are they necessary to maintain the circle of life?
I dunno... I think "lock the school doors and put a policeman on guard" is a better answer than "bitch about 'some conservatives' not doing shit that white liberals demand but won't actually work".
And release them where, exactly? Haven't thought that through, have you?
Because Trump supporters are so scarce in Texas. You can't find 'em anywhere. Haven't thought that one through very well, either, have you?
*eyeroll*
Out of curiosity, why does it not bother a 'black man' that none of these white liberals ever want to talk about gun control when it's just black kids getting shot? Black men are 20 times more likely to die from gun violence than white men are, yet you only seem to care about whatever is on the standard white liberal script. Why is that?
We have seen Republican after Republican, conservative after conservative say , for years now, that the only way to combat school shootings is to lock down the schools and turn them into fortresses. That and arm teachers, a group that seemingly by all accounts doesnt want to be armed.
There is no right for citizens to walk around with high powered rapid fire rifles. No one in their right mind believes that the Heller decision gives that right. One day we will have a Supreme Court that makes that crystal clear.
The way to end school shootings is to end the gun love insanity. Every mass shooter that I can recall was found to be fascinated , not with killing kids per se, but with guns and the harm they could inflict with them.
Blacks kids being murdered in numbers, every day across this country, is not a crisis to them. It’s the norm so not crisis worthy I guess.
And liberals do hate to waste a good crisis.
Probably for the same reason we tolerate rats, roaches, and mosquitos. Getting rid of them is much easier said than done.
They are actually a highly invasive species with no natural predators. God designs every species to survive, and hogs are no exception. A single female can produce 2 litters of 6 every year. Wildlife experts think we have over 6 million in the US and that number is growing rapidly.
To be fair, we do employ some pretty effective killing implements against them. It's just not enough.
You're kidding.
That kid never would have made it to a classroom in most of our schools. We’ve had hardened access and armed security on campus for decades.
Protecting kids is easily done for systems that are really interested in protecting them from the random nutcase and it’s simply shameful more aren’t taking such steps.
Yeah, lets ignore the real problem and ban inanimate objects. How about we ban spoons to bring obesity under control.
Do you think it is appropriate to pretend that the only thing we need to do is "harden" schools? Hardening schools is an admission of defeat , a recognition that society cannot deal with mass shootings other than to turn schools into fortresses. It is insanity.
Every society locks and guards what it values. The same silly liberals who don't want to lock the school doors go home and lock their own doors every night. If locking the door of their home doesn't cause some sort of trauma, why would locking the school door? It's just silly.
Speaking of silly, arming teachers is among the most idiotic ideas floating around today. Seriously. Anybody who thinks this is a good idea has not set foot in an urban school since segregation or is a complete moron. Or both.
Until that day, we can lock the damned doors.
You're talking about changing "feelings". You're not going to have any better luck changing theirs than they have changing yours.
The most important part of your point is right here.... "every mass shooter". These psycopaths have traits in common, and common behaviors that lead up to their acts. These are not random acts or crimes of passion. These are premeditated, pre-planned, methodical actions where we all look back later and wonder how everybody missed the very obvious signs.
When we get serious about stopping these types of incidents, we'll start reporting crazy people ahead of time. We'll be scouring social media with AI like we're looking for terrorists. Until we're willing to do that, we're not serious about this problem.
How come hardening banks is not an admission of defeat?
Resistance to "hardening schools" is an admission that our money is more important than our kids.
Of course in the immediate short term schools should be locked down and fortified to any necessary degree.
My objection is that we have right wingers proposing this as a permanent solution. See Newt Gingrich.
The types of guns that are often used in these shootings do not need to be in the hands of citizens, and there is no constitutional justification for it either. Even Scalia said that gun ownership could be regulated.
Is sad how true that is.
I'm sure as hell not.
We lose 30 black people a day to gun violence in this country. Another 110 are wounded.
Yet our angry white liberals only seem to show up when the shooting involves an AR-15 and no black kids. Why is that?
Why are you so against it? It's proven to work. Look at banks and air planes. Is it you don't think the kids are worth the time and money? Or do you really not give a fuck about the kids?
That's easy. Just get a major spoon manufacturer to publicly support Trump. Job done.
Remember it was the angry white liberals that removed everybody of color from products like Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima and left all the white people. But everybody else are the racists.
Really I don't think they even give a rats ass about the kids. They've given no workable solution to slow the shootings. They claim "tighter gun laws" but ignore how those tighter gun laws have failed in cities like Chicago.
It's not short term at banks. Or airports. I think we need to ask ourselves what we really care about.
Well, even a broken clock is right sometimes.
It is regulated. Try buying a .50 caliber machine gun. All we would need to do is expand the current regulation to include assault weapons.
But that's not going to happen as long as the primary proponents of it are people who:
None of that is likely to change in my lifetime, so let's lock the doors and post some guards, shall we?
You have an unlimited amount of nonsense in your repertoire dont you?
Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemina are stereotypes of black subservience that far outlived their time. If you knew anything about American history you would know that.
I thought for sure we would have had world peace by now after changing boxes of rice and syrup bottles.
What happened??
So you think we should permanently make 3rd and 4th graders think that someone is trying to kill them. I disagree.
And I'm the one with the "unlimited amount of nonsense"?
You mean like your "knowledge" of it?
No shit. I guess the Nobel Committee hasn't caught up.
You're just wrong.
I am sure you can find all sorts of ideas from all sorts of people.
Must See: 5 Specific Times Democrats Wanted To Confiscate Your Guns (thepoliticalinsider.com)
Well, I prefer the kids be protected.
Why don't you?
So bankers and airport employees are in permanent danger of being murdered? I better tell my neighbors. One’s a Delta pilot and one works for TSA.
Because it’s tough to waste a good crisis.
They think they will get better responses using fear. They'll use broad terms for what scares them in the hopes that the lemmings will fall in line and live in fear as well.
Must be a very sad and agonizing life being afraid of everything.
Well, yeah.
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From 1946 to 2020, Uncle Ben's products carried the image of an elderly African-American man dressed in a bow tie , which is said to have been based on a house negro waiter. [15] [16] In 2020, Mars told Ad Age , "We don't know if a real 'Ben' ever existed." [17] According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an enslaved African-American “house negro cook” known by the plantation owner and overseers for the quality of his rice dishes . Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in World War II , chose the name "Uncle Ben's" as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public. [18]
Ben's Original - Wikipedia
The origins of the Aunt Jemima logo can be traced back to the song "Old Aunt Jemima," which was performed in minstrel shows in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, often featuring White performers in Blackface. The official website states that the logo was created around 1890 and was based on Nancy Green, a former slave who had spent her life as a "storyteller, cook and missionary worker." In 1890, the R. T. Davis Milling Company, which first manufactured Aunt Jemima pancake mix until 1926, hired Green as a spokesperson. Green kept the job until her death on Aug. 30, 1923, and was replaced by a number of other actors and models.
While the logo itself has changed slightly over the years, it's always been a variation on a smiling Black woman, which itself was based on the long-held "Mammy" stereotype, a Black woman with dark skin and a bright white smile.
Aunt Jemima's Racist Origins: What to Know (popculture.com)
You do realize that 51 people were shot over Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone.
Maybe a group of white liberal politicians has proposed a ban on 9mm pistols and I just don't know. That must be it.
Both are gone now, so world peace, right?
So your money IS more important than our kids. OK. That's disappointing.
Out of curiosity, do you lock the doors at your house at night? Or does that cause you some sort of trauma by making you think someone is trying to kill you?
The idea that kids will be emotionally damaged by a locked door is even more idiotic than arming teachers.
Who has stated that is the only thing to do?
Or, realistic people can acknowledge the problem and find a solution that can actually work while politicians talk about solutions, pass laws which are ineffective and are often not enforced.
The technology exists TODAY to secure schools, to protect kids and teachers. Only a fool wouldn't want to do that and leave it to politicians who have done virtually nothing.
That isn't an admission of defeat--it is a practical solution we can employ TODAY.
"WHICH IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN". Did you see that John? They don't really know if that is actually fact. Yet here you are running with it. And you really expect to be taken seriously.
There are zero gun stores in Chicago. The vast majority of illegal guns in Chicago are transported here from Indiana and other nearby states that dont have stringent regulations.
As far as no white liberals protesting black gun violence , you are just wrong. This is a photo of a protest against black on black gun violence that was held in Chicago. There are numerous white faces in the photo.
Sounds like Chicago's tough laws aren't working too well, since LA and NYC have less stringent laws but lower murder rates.
And liberals call THAT a success story?
Wow.
Now, read that again and think about how your proposed and existing gun laws are a failure. The law abiding citizen will adhere to the law, the criminal won't.
The people can protest all day. Reality is, it's not going to stop the problem. Not until they stand up to the PERSON that will gain possession of a firearm and use it.
I beg you, stop saying stupid things to me. Mars was the manufacturer of Uncle Ben's. They said themselves that the image was of a house slave.
Just stop. You are embarrassing Newstalkers.
What you posted didn't. You should really read what you link / quote.
What I posted was something that contained Mars saying he was a house slave.
Its a shame this forum has to put up with your endless mistakes.
I quoted what you posted. Now you're trying to walk it back. Fucking pathetic.
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Which was preceded by this:
In any case, they are gone now....so, world peace?
That doesn't seem to matter, though, does it? Criminals seem to get their hands on shit no matter what laws we put in place.
I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing there are zero heroin stores in Chicago, too.
Or....they've been there all along.
How do they expect that to help? What do they hope the result of this protest will be? What new laws are they advocating?
They will feel better about themselves, though.
We shouldn't just dismiss their feelings lest they feel unvalidated.
Frank Brown was the man whose image became the face of Uncle Ben’s in 1946, said Caroline Sherman, a spokeswoman for Mars Food, the brand's parent company.
Brown was a maitre d' in a Chicago restaurant. Not much else is known about him, but Sherman said there is an effort to learn more.
The name Uncle Ben came from an African American farmer in Texas who was renowned for his high-quality rice. According to the brand's website, Gordon Harwell and his partner who co-founded the grains line decided to change the name of what was called Converted Brand Rice in the late 1940s to draw in new customers. They came up with the new name while having dinner at a favorite Chicago restaurant.
Embarrassing indeed.
I guess that happens when they run a narrative with zero fact.
Stop and frisk would be useful in cities but the flowers at ACLU decided it imposed too much on Blacks. You're willing to trash 2a for the right to roam the streets unchecked at 11pm.
They go were their prejudice leads them.
Yes you do.
And it always leads me right back to you, tessy.
Tess and Tessy are reserved for people who I like. Please refrain from referring to me as Tess or Tessy. Save those whistles also.
What was the flesh of Salvador Ramos decimated with, Drinker? If you know do tell us.
Aunt Jemima. Uncle Ben's. Cream of Wheat. Mrs. Butterworth. The images associated with those brands not only sold syrup, rice and cereal but perpetuated painful stereotypes that negatively shaped how African Americans and women were perceived for generations.
Amid a national reckoning on racism in the wake of the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and other African Americans killed by police, the makers of those products are changing or reviewing their controversial branding.
Also from your link.
A lock door can be be breached or left unlock- oh look, it just happened that way in Uvalde, Texas! And a policeman, literally an officer of the law, has a "h" of an amount of training to be expected to perform the duties of a human "guard dog"!
Jack, you don't get monies, campaigns, elections, and paychecks to solve congress' messes. Those people are lobbied by gun lobbyists on an ongoing basis-to maintain the status quo. In the name of the dead children (mental child abuse by potential threat of gun violence and literal violence?)
And for your "bitch" remark, let me be as plain as I can be. I don't give a darn what you think of people, including me, getting upset and wanting answers from THE PAID PROFESSIONALS and so-called "leaders" sitting on their thumbs in D.C.
Let me repeat, it don't give a darn what you think of people, including me, getting upset and wanting answers from the PAID PROFESSIONALS and so-called "leaders."
Incidentally, a lock door can be be breached or left unlocked-oh Snap! A closed door was opened ajar after being slammed up in front of a mass murderer in Uvalde!
Why should I decide what to do with captured hogs? Why? It's a given that you have thought it through seeing that you express some 'big-time' understanding and experiences with these beasts? The implication would be that once you 'corralled' and captured you and your handled the lot of them.
So why the "h" would you ask me such a question. It goes to basic conversation between people. But, you appear to think you have something to 'jab' here? You don't, Jack!
I am not now or ever will be your punching bag! Dig that, Jack!
Exactly, that's why I didn't capitalize the T.
Perhaps only you and the dogs can hear it.
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If I knew what that Border Patrol Officer used, I wouldn't have asked you.
Do you still see his Mom as a good Mom?
And it's hilarious that they expect to be taken seriously.
Well Jack, it would seem it is a matter of priorities. There is only so many 'battles' and 'fronts' that can be properly managed by 'coordinators' vying for a spot on the gun SAFETY "to do" list.
If we can just get conservatives onboard to aid in the clearing of the table of gun SAFETY proposals, throwing out bad and weak proposals while advancing and accepting the 'better' ones, more and other associated gun SAFETY matters potentially can be placed on the table.
Yes, nothing wrong with repeating what we know. Good marketing for Mars Inc.
I never tire of your repetition, your use of a term like human decency brings a smile to my face. Thanks.
Sometimes Jack seems like he needs to reintroduce himself to a piece of refractive type material. Imagine that image, where Jack meets himself, cause at times, rather apparent, he does not know....
It is hilarious you all expect us to take you seriously.
Here is an idea, why don't you get in contact with BLM?! They would surely be interested in your care and concern. /s
BLM?
The group whose leaders enriched themselves?
Sterling example, lol
Wow. All that "hardening" just for the sake of gun expression. Well, what is clear is this. When white male conservatives want to make something happen they get up off their butts and do something. Evidently, conservatives don't want gun expression in this country to be stifled. That is plain and clear.
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Do other groups of people lack the ability to do the same?
Maybe others should consider doing the same.
Because it was your moronic idea to capture them in the first place.
Clever, original?
Another attempt at changing the discussion. . . .
So black kids are not a priority? That's disappointing. I was hoping black lives mattered.
One would think one of those "fronts" would be located somewhere in the vicinity of the most common victims. It's almost as though the real goal of all this is simply to fight with white conservatives.
Which one is your favorite?
Maybe someone thinks feral hogs are white conservative males?
Or... more accurately... all that hardening for the sake of protecting our kids.
That might explain the income and wealth gap.
Evidently, liberals don't want our children to be protected by even a minimum level of security.
We all lock our cars. We all lock our homes. We all lock our offices. We lock anything if there is something of value inside.
But let's certainly not lock our schools. *eyeroll*
Yeah, now you want to talk about 'black live matters'? Go figure. Where are these "discussions" of yours when the subject is not guns? BTW, get congressional republicans to aid, not do it all, in fixing the gun 'dilemma' in our country and Chicago has the potential to 'heal' itself!
Maybe we could convince them that feral hogs are Trump voters.
We'll have an AR-15 mandate by Friday. (I don't own one, BTW)
Oh please, so you want to lock public access to schools, because conservatives 'value' them? Oh please. Anything for a gun status quo, eh?
Always.
We've had extensive discussions on the topic. You just don't remember.
What would you like Congress to do?
No. Because all of us should value the children inside them. Even the ones you don't think are a priority.
How would you like to see that status quo changed, CB?
Do you really believe it is smart to allow access to schools to anyone?
That doesn't sound like a sane idea!
Mars, the parent company of Uncle Ben's Rice said the character previously depicted on the box was that of an enslaved house negro.
What is in it for you to object to what the company says?
Why is it important to you to dispute whether or not the image is an offensive stereotype?
Embarrassing again.
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Well, he's gone now, problem solved, world peace to soon follow.
Oh look! Somebody who is so far behind that they think they're relevelant.
Really? Offensive? How the fuck would anyone know it depicted a "house slave" if some candy ass didn't get all butt hurt and cry about it? You want fucking CRT taught so, like statues from the past, you choose to get rid of signs and symbols of said history. Doesn't make sense. And this picture
has slave written all over it? Seems to me he was one hell of a cook. I guess some folks STILL look for something to be offended about.
FFS
Why, the ever-present and elusive "SOMETHING", of course.
Why get bogged down in petty details and concrete proposals when you can shout DO SOMETHING?
It does seem like the pews of The Church of the Perpetually Offended by Something or Other are always full nowadays.
I don't know. Oh wait, I am pretty sure I would like Congress to do: Their jobs to keep the citizenry safe. We're not safe out here as a whole society. We're OVER-SATURATED with guns in the hands of people killing other people like it is some morbid sport.
Now then can conservatives help make the citizenry safe? Gun violence in school is CHILD ABUSE. We need to start charging officials who neglect the overall safety of the psyches of school children with crimes.
Enough said. Short, sweet, to the point and undoubtedly true.
Pie-in-the-sky nonsense.
Jack wants us to have a lock-down nation. Put everything under lock and key. When you enter a theater - lock it down! When you enter a grocery store- lock it down. When you step into a office building. . . lock it down. When you enter. . . well, you get the picture!
Didn't conservatives spend the last two years complaining about a lockdown nation. But look at how much freedom they are willing to give up for the sake of a gun, an "inanimate object" as Jeremy Retired calls it.
Black people know bull patty when we hear it, JR. It's a smelly red-herring trick.
They know it, JR. They want to take the focus off the dead people killed by mass violence that the media brings to our attention. We can argue the merit of what gets news coverage, but this is not the time or place for it.
They want to turn the focus off the schools and dead children.
What does that even mean?
She got 'retired.' It was time. No problem with that, right?
Oh well, I thought you would be able to put up. I see instead a let down.
I don't think about Ramos' mom. Why do you?
So, what your saying is that it's NOT the gun that's the problem, it's the PEOPLE with the gun. Finally somebody get's it.
That same question could be ask of liberals. All we've seen from them is the idiotic "Gun Free Zone" signs. We see how that's worked.
Additionally, this isn't a conservative vs liberal thing. It's a society thing. We stopped paying attention to who is around us and what they are doing. We don't see the signs that there is something wrong until its too late. Collectively we need to pull our heads from our 4th point of contact and look around ourselves.
Well, fix gun safety in schools on one of those 'smart and happening' days of conservatives drawing paychecks for sitting on their thumbs in congress.
Whose uncle is "Uncle Ben"?
I am sorry the wording I used was "trap them." You supplied the word, "capture." Is that correct, Jack.
There are possible differences in outcomes for trapping and capturing, Jack. Why do you assume I want to anything from a damn feral hog? Why would you waste time defending stupid commentary?
One would think you, the big shit talker about the problems (feelings and attitudes) of black youth, would not be here defending the gun industry over the death of innocent children. But, one would be a fool, apparently.
I don't buy those brands anymore. No problem with that, right?
That would be his nieces and nephews. Surprised you didn't know that. Oh well.
We can lock up stores too, but then where would liberty be? What if, we only let in to our 'secure' places those we want to ASSOCIATE? What would be public about private access?
Yes, this. This is something that gets missed in the back & forth on this board (and I'm afraid in real life too) where people don't want to get involved. How many people failed this kid in Texas, where this could have been caught and possibly prevented this from happening.. but too many people either didn't want to get involved or were afraid of being labeled...
Tee hee. Giggle. Jeremy it is ironic that you are currently having a "ponderous" discussion about Uncle Ben rice and you want to complain about relevance?
Nothing to you apparently and interestingly.
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Oh, I am clear-headed on this. Just put guns back into their proper place. That is, on a gun spectrum, gun can be used for good and for bad. But something is broken in us and apparently we can't see the sickness ahead of the bloodshed appears. Therefore, realign the placement of the tool (gun), and investigate if sick people will not 'stumble' over guns anyway!
I can agree with you about this too: This liberal/conservative divide is wasting the quality of our lives (we who are living right now in this country). We're conceding a great amount of joy to a great amount of dividing for division sake. We will regret it as we go older each day of this.
I take your. . . point. And it hurts on some level. 18 years old (new adult) kills what he used to be in a violent episodic incident. It just boggles the mind. Snuffy, we did not do anything like this back in the day. And it was not because we did not have the 'machinery.' It just never crossed our minds to get that 'hot' or 'lost.'
Different tack: Do you think any of this sickness in the youth is an 'offshoot' to the liberal/conservative divide that politicians and adults are manufacturing and foisting on the youth? (It is a real concern if so)
We had a conversation on the 25th of May. You thought that his Mom's drug use and his home/school life wasn't relevant to his action.
Back when we were young (if the old and tired brain can remember that far back) our parents and society were much more involved than they are today. People were out and about, growing up where I did a child could not get away with much because there was always an adult to either stop/correct you or at a minimum notify the parents of what happened. We didn't get away with much. Add to that, there was an expected level of respect for other people that our parents (at least mine did) demanded, I addressed all my parents friends by Mr. / Mrs. and never by there first names. I cannot speak for others but I was taught gun safety at a very young age, I knew at age 5 that guns were not toys and that I could not touch. Only took one session with the switch to convince me that sneaking into the gun cabinet was nothing I wanted to do again. I think back then we both respected and feared our parents, not so sure that attitude happens much today.
I don't think it helps. There's too many people shouting at each other with nobody seeming to listen, how are the children supposed to learn when that's all they see.
And nothing has changed my mind on that score.
Snuffy. Emphatically.
I will tell you this. I was talking to someone the other day and it slipped out of my mouth pretty much as I asked you above: "The whole 'world' has gone crazy." Immediately, I felt like I was becoming an elder complaining about how good we had it as kids when we did not have. . . this.
I think I may have crossed an invisible line of demarcation that day.
Since you don't believe that his environment had any impact, was it just genetics?
Don't look now, but you may have just crossed into "Old Fart Land"...
You said that but not cited it.
Accuracy, I cited my previous reference.
I wrote nothing about the disputing the image, why is it important to you to distort my note?
I don't feel embarrassed.
The Uncle Bens and Aunt Jemima characters were dropped from their brands because they were offensive racial stereotypes. The company that owns Uncle Bens specifically said they agreed.
Why are you trying to cast doubt on that conclusion?
Its a fair question.
Are you a black person? If not, its not your place to disagree with the conclusion.
Well gee. I wonder if the reason was they didn't want a boycott and loss of business if they didn't succumb to the virtue signaling pressure......................you're smarter than that John.
The only doubt that I cast was on your assertion (uncited) the image was of a house slave.
It would be had I tried to cast doubt. Why do you distort what I wrote? It's a fair question
I self identify as white.
Again, I didn't. I disagreed with your assertion.
I assume , with great confidence, that you know nothing about the history of black stereotyping in America.
I assume that you're greatly confident about all of your many assumptions.
Only intelligent and witty folks get iggy. That leaves you out
Iggy Pop, Iggy Azalea, Iggy and the Stooges or did you mistype Ziggy?
And how will you know if that happens?
Well...math is a real thing, so let's check it out.
There were 19,350 firearm homicides in 2020.
Compare that to the 700,000 who die from heart disease every year, the 600,000 who die from cancer, the 200,000 who die from accidents/unintentional injuries, the 160,000 who die from strokes, and the 150,000 who die from COPD, and getting shot is the least of your worries.
Unless they ban junk food and mandate exercise, it doesn't look promising.
Then maybe we should lock the doors.
Well I happen to think they're worthy of being a "priority". I'm alone in that view, apparently.
Quote me doing so. Or are you guessing again?
You can stop at any time.
Did you mean gettin' Jiggy wit it ?
Do students enter and leave a school the way customers enter and leave a store? Do you normally stay at a store from 8:30-3:00?
You mean like we only allow ticketed passengers into the boarding area of an airport? Or how we have security checkpoints going into jury duty?
Your objections to simple shit like "lock the door" are insane.
They are also a great example of why we never get anywhere with gun control. By FAR the most important thing to you about this issue is fighting with people you believe to be your enemies.
You are unwilling to accept the simplest and most obvious suggestions, while offering none of your own.
If you want to talk offensive, I find putting any picture of a nice Black woman on a bottle containing:
for people to eat on pancakes, very offensive.
Really?
Self induced heart disease and obesity compared to the sudden random
attack from some disgruntled stranger with a gun?
C'mon Jack.
What if the bottle is just natural honey?
How about Diana Hunter? Doesn't she have the right to make $$
selling Honey Bunches of Oats?
I am not offended by her or for her.
I love natural honey and the Honey Bunches of Oats lady.
Could be, you are correct. But then, some conservatives don't like it when their motives are put to the mention, hmmm?
Compare gun violence in schools. Any more than zero gun violence cases is one too many. We as a nation used to accept and agree to that type of standard. What happened to you? Apathy is child abuse.
And you can stop with your pretense of concern for black youth while covering for gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers who do not give one iota about school shootings. A, any, responsible America would express concern - you and yours "present" with apathy.
It's pathetic really. And yes, it SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT WHAT some CONSERVATIVES VALUE! r
Remember Columbine! Remember Sandy Hook! Remember Marjory Stoneman Douglas!
Do mass shooters tend to make 'shift work' out of their outings? I'll answer that. "No!" Try again, Jack.
So now elementary and other schools are now to be considered and treated like high-risk areas for infiltration by 'terrorists'? Just so we can keep over-saturation of guns afloat?
By the way, some conservatives mock 'gun-free zones' - and further, if you want gun-free zones to proliferate why not just vouch and preach for gun safety instead. Keep the 'zones' as you have then now or even more 'relaxed' eventually?
They are just silly, gun free zones work as well as drug free zones.
In a comment above this, I propose if you like airports and court building and want schools to have "security checkpoints" to make them "gun free zones" that it will be redundant in the case of schools (where children are). Schools are already gun-free zones.
What is needed is gun safety policies. Oh wait those policies and laws come out of legislatures. Those people gun lobbyists are paying monies to sit on their thumbs and 'spin' while schools intermittently and incrementally 'burn.'
That Uvalde Texas school likely will be razed to the ground now.
If over-saturated, wouldn't they sink?
Put to the mention?
Grow up; it's late in the 'day' for some of us. Put away childish things. We have young(er) people who need our collective wisdom imparted to them- not clownishness.
I thought that you were on the West Coast, it's early there.
You imagine 19,000 gun homicides are random? Perpetrated by strangers? What? No you don't. You're way smarter than that.
The point here was to illustrate how small the gun homicide number is in relationship to the overall US population and other causes of death. If all factors were actually random (which we all know they're not), you have less than a 1 in 17,000 chance of being shot to death in any given year... assuming we base the numbers on 2020, which was 35% worse than 2019.
The idea that "we're not safe out here as a whole society" because of gun violence is utterly idiotic to anybody with a remote connection to reality.
But while we're on the "random" issue, we all know they're NOT random. We all know most (62%) of them happen to black people in black neighborhoods and do not involve rifles, semi-automatic or otherwise.
But according to ol' CB here, black kids getting shot is "not a priority". What the actual fuck? I still can't believe he said that. What looking glass have we fallen through, Alice?
And yet you're not willing to even lock the door, because "some conservatives" suggested it.
Okay, I am going to drop you in three, two, one. . . .
I'm sorry, NT just won't be the same for me.
How many black people were involved in Uvalde?
19 children and 2 adults had their rights violated suddenly by a complete stranger.
Over the weekend it was several graduation celebrations.
Today another stranger with a rifle in a medical office in Tulsa.
I'm not CB, nor is my name Alice.
Has nothing to do with conservativessuggesting it. I don't even care any longer to suggest anything to conservatives about it. I will let you in on something. Since 2020 apathy towards COVID-19 and mask, Sandy Hook and Parkland, Trump acceptance on the 'far right'- generally I have accepted that conservatives have left me (and mine) open to getting killed in a public setting or through apathy about germ 'warfare.'
Call it fatalistic on my part; but the conclusion is clear: Some conservatives WILL get more and more of US killed than once thought.
As to your 'lock door' suggestion. In Uvalde, it is being said the teacher slammed a door that was intended to lock; it did not. Now What the "h"? Do you know how surreal it is to know what is supposed to happen in a safety situation and then you see the villain coming in through the 'locked door'?!!!
Shit happens. "Touched" people should not have guns to 'stumble' across in the first place, Jack.
Zero. Good bye, Drinker'.
I very obviously prioritize them more than you do.
Still can't quote me doing anything like that, can you? You seem to have increasing difficulty separating reality (what has actually been posted) from imagination (what you think has been posted).
School shooters tend to work during school hours. I can't believe I have to point that out to an adult human.
You know you're right... we should just let anybody in there. I'm sure no pedophiles or human traffickers would bother a school...... *eyeroll*
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We put security doors on the school so people wanting to violate the gun free zone can't get in. Kinda like your home is a "burglar free zone", but you lock your doors in case the burglar doesn't want to cooperate. See how this works?
Such as? Still waiting on even a single suggestion.
Clever, Original?
No, I wish. The composer’s were
None. Which is why liberals everywhere are demanding action.
Odd how they don't ever seem to have anything to say when 60 people/month (majority of them black) are shot to death in LA County alone.
Well if you jump in the middle of a conversation between two people, you should be brought up to speed. If I really have to explain the Alice metaphor, well...
You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical after you've spent 50 posts ranting about how terrible conservatives are and rejecting a clear common sense action we can take.
You're not ever going to have a risk-free life. You can have a free life, with risks.... or you can have an unfree life...also with risks. If you're concerned about the germs, it sounds like you don't like being around those people anyway.
It's tough to say, because it looks like we've got a massive cover up going on in Uvalde. The results of the investigations will be VERY interesting.
It does. And the sad reality is that we now live in a time where we have to figure out how to make shit happen less often.
Putting safety doors on every school, and putting a trained, armed professional guard (like a police officer) on every campus does not by itself solve the problem, but it is something we can actually achieve that will definitely help. It is possible to lock the doors.
It is not possible to take away all the "assault rifles", even if we could get such a law passed. If some miracle occurred and you did take away all the assault rifles, you can't take away all the pistols...which are easier to conceal and can be fired two at a time.
There are 400 million firearms in the US. You cannot control 400 million of anything....especially when the people who own the are not likely to cooperate. Trying to restrict the guns is like trying to put the water back in the balloon after it's already burst. It's never going to work, and we need to move on from that fantasy to some realistic ideas.
I originally thought, as a child, that the images of Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were put on the packages to celebrate great cooks or entrepreneurs. But they weren't. They were put there to show black people in the the position of being subservient.
Or even worse (characters from Minstrel Shows):
"Aunt Jemima ain't ya mama!" and the crowd would laugh for days, I'm sure.
Here an idea, testify for all the black kids that are murdered every week, every year in our big cities as hard as you press the ones that are murdered in the random crisis you like to exploit.
Shame on you CB. You are better than that.
Lol, gun expression?
Explain that one to all the black kids, killing other black kids with illegally owned guns. Then you’ll be cooking with gas.
In my 63 plus years on the planet, I have yet to meet in person anyone who gave a shit about what was on the box of rice or bottle of syrup.
And when I do, I will disassociate myself as quickly as possible because I just don't have the time nor patience for such crap.
How much market share did they lose when they took the racist images of the packaging? Or did more non-racists start using these two products to make up the difference?
I don't know about the "extensive part" but I do remember the discussion(s). It seemed to revolve around a shooting then to, yes or no?
When guns go around menacing people without someone to pull the triggers, we will all be in trouble. Bigly.
Me neither. I grew out of them years ahead of the complain/resolution.
Which is why so many people need to be reminded that a gun is an inanimate object, completely harmless without a human being being involved.
Who says and what makes you think they are tolerated?
There's already plenty of them there.
Actually, it was about 6 months.
If you are carrying a .460 Weatherby Magnum, just one for any of the above.
Especially at election time.
Actually, he is spot on.
Looks to me like a white liberal apologist parade. Did you attend?
I doubt he even knows. Must have sounded good to him though.
Wow! A couple hogs a year and nobody in your family is starving.
It's not an unusual assumption that when they're considered a pest and there are so many who have assault weapons and are probably itching to use them that they're not already wiped out.
No, he is never 'spot on'. He thinks he is. But he's not.
"Clever, Original?"
No, he's neither.
If you listen to some of these anti-gun people, you'd think that is exactly what is happening. This is why I mention that a firearm is an inanimate object that needs a person to handle it to operate. They don't go off by themselves, they don't go off when dropped and they don't have mind control powers to make people pick them up.
The agnorance is palpable from the gun lovers. Those who love guns over people and children.
Gee how profound.
All these moronic comparisons make no goddamned sense. As much sense as defining what an assault weapon or whatever the fuck is. Innocent people are still dead for no reason.
As has been said previously, they are prolific breeders on the order of rabbits, and they are particularly aggressive and vicious when full grown.
There's that damned dog whistle. All most of you seem to have.
Well, okay, then maybe you need to use machine guns.
Very well put Tex, very well.
Nope, machine guns are illegal...
I will cheerfully take his spot ons over anything you have to offer any day!
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We? Are you part of a team or playing multiple roles here?
Well, napalm and flamethrowers will start wildfires, and I suppose hand grenades are illegal as well, so what are their natural predators? wolves?
One would think you, who, makes everything about race, would have a scintilla of caring about securing schools to protect kids and teachers rather than railing endlessly on about Congress and conservatives.
For purposes of this present discussion, what does your 'cover-up' theory have to do with the Uvalde teacher heard on video slamming the door shut?
Congress and state legislatures are the responsible parties to fix this, Jack. Legislatures can start by ending acceptance of campaign donations from gun lobbyists (if that is the case-whomsoever is involved in their offices with doing so). Legislators need clear minds on how to fix this and having $$ signs whirling around them while they try to think about gun SAFETY policies is defeatist.
Your platitudes are woefully ineffective.
Why not secure schools NOW and let Congress do its usual ineffective law-passing later?
If you truly want children to be safe, rather than simply railing on and on about big, bad, black guns and conservatives, prove it by giving us ONE concrete example of something you would do NOW that would be effective. Mind you, it should be POSSIBLE, not more pie-in-the-sky dreams.
Because they still ignorantly think the gun is the problem and don't give a rats ass about the kids.
Just got to love those who bitch but never offer one solution that can be done now and would be effective.
They don't give a DAMN about the kids--just another chance for them to rail on senselessly about conservatives.
Proven time and time again when asked for workable solutions, and it is clear they HAVE no solutions or even a desire for such.
What little solutions they do offer have already proven to fail.
But, it gave them the warm and fuzzy that they "did something" without actually doing something.
Honestly I expected no workable solutions. Remember this is a group that can't even define what they are after and will ignore all facts to get what they want.
Me neither, really.
Just wanted to give them one more chance at proving that they care about the kids more than they do railing on conservatives and whites.
Which, obviously, they have failed AGAIN to do.
Hypocrites of the highest order.
You're kidding. And why do you imply that there should be NO guns in the hands of the citizenry? Because I have not suggested or implied any such thing. That line of discussion is for somebody else - not me.
My concern is this country now because of inexcusable obstinance has allowed our home to be overstocked with guns and its proliferation. Liberals have not wanted this and have not participated in it wholesale.
They've had ample chances to show some kind of support for protecting kids. They've failed at every chance. And what's sad is they actually expect to be taken seriously.
From the vast majority of your comments, I read your concern to be mainly about conservatives and whites.
When pressed for WORKABLE, POSSIBLE, SANE solutions to curb school shootings, you clammed up and deflected and derailed.
You are better. . . maybe. . . not. Don't you dare talk to me like a fool about black people. Those kids in the black community have advocates encompassing them and speaking up for them. How do I know? Because, as you most definitely are offended by, black people are in the trenches, on the street, in the media, and in the reading materials of this country EVERWHERE advocating for peaceful and solid change.
Whatever black people in this country are suffering from, if one should look close, even closer, one might find a set of conservatives at the root of the problem. Conservatives advocating for repression, oppression, and hurling political obstacles in the way of the minority/ies.
Come for me on this further if you wish; you will fail miserably.
Oh, the poor, poor victims.
SMH
Denial is a terrible look on you.
Oh go on. Quit your joshin'! (Chuckles.)
Take the story for the good that it transmits. However, what is the role of leaders in our larger society? Should we be depending on individuals over and beyond so-called, "leaders" to keep this nation safe? That is, had this precious lady not been there or there and 'taken down' a disaster may have occurred. And yes, she may still be liable for some nuance in law brought by family or government. (I hope not, all things being equal.) Best to her in "checking all the boxes" on this one!
Their role depends on what they lead.
I have depended on many, first myself, also my parents, spouse, children, siblings, other family members, friends, co-workers, neighbors, health professionals, and sometimes even strangers.
Since you pulled and detached my quote from its encasement, I am going to waste time asking you a simple question for which you will perform your usual obfuscation, 'wide-eyed cluelessness,' or deflection: The constitution states the common 'good' or welfare shall be looked after by this nation's leaders, should any leader, or group of leaders, who do not work for the good of the whole be over us?
Encasement?
I appreciate your discussion even more since you find it a waste of time.
I can't help how I look with my moon-face and and pale complexion. Most folks remark that my photon
reveals small eyes.
Where does it state that? I find two references to welfare, in the Preamble and in the first clause of Article I, Section 8,:
One is about the responsibilities of we the people and the other about Congress's, which one did you mean?
Bold talk CB, mighty bold talk. Where did you find that?
Answer the question or not. It's your choice: 1. Yes. 2. No. 3. Obfuscate.
So not a question about what the Constitution states, but a new one. I don't see any "leader or group of leaders" over you. You stand head and shoulders above them all.
You chose to obfuscate. Figures. Y'all we have a big time talker here.
Is that good or bad?
This is America. Leaders are not "over us". They work for us and can be replaced at our choosing.
Well, that is mighty flag-waving 'perfect' of you, but why not answer the question to the best of your ability anyway? Furthermore, you are flatly stating that Mitch McConnell, Kevin McCarthy, and don't wait for it-Donald Trump serve conservatism through doing your bidding, is that right?! You like what you see in Washington, D.C. with the gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers 'buying and selling' in a gun saturated market?
One of our few manufacturing sectors that still works.
Too bad we don’t have a gasoline saturated market or a baby formula saturated market.
Thx uncle Joe ..... you did that.
You like your guns 'over-saturated'? That's gluttony and it's a sin.
So a question for you.
How do you define “saturated” with guns?
I’d like to hear how many guns I can own before “you” think I’m gun saturated.
Enough guns for sick, twisted, people to 'stumble-over' them on their way to the next shootout. How about that for over-saturated?
As to how many guns you can own before over-saturation: How many guns do you deserve?
Now, I have a question for you:
I have heard it stated that this country has approximately 400,000 million guns thereabout in it: How is that a 'capital' investment still for gun manufacturers?
I "deserve" as many as I want and can afford. It isn't anyone else's business.
If people weren't buying them, they wouldn't be in business for long.
You read his whole post, right?
What do YOU think he meant when he said "They work for us and can be replaced at our choosing."?
BTW, Trump isn't in office any longer. Thus proving his precise point--we can replace them at our choosing.
It's a very important distinction. People who refer to elected representatives as "over us" tend to operate from a mentality of powerlessness. Democracies don't last very long with powerless citizens.
Because I reject the multiple presumptions needed to do so. You presume that you know what "the good of the whole" is. You ignore the fact that in free societies with representative governments, we collectively decide what the "good of the whole" is every time we go to the ballot box.
What a bizarre idea. They represent their constituencies. If they do it well, like McConnell, they are re-elected. If they do it poorly, like Trump, they are not.
Of the three, McConnell is probably the most traditional conservative, in that he understands his primary directive to be stopping liberals from implementing most of their naive and ill-considered plans.
Almost never. And almost never do I see an idea in DC that represents an improvement to American life.
The presumption here seems to be that newly manufactured gun sales are a significant statistic. There are about 400 million guns already in circulation in the US. New gun manufacture only adds about 1-2% to that figure annually. New guns represent less than half of all sales involving background checks, and none of the sales that do not involve background checks.
Describe what you think the benefit would be of reducing or eliminating sales of new firearms.
Are you serious? Powerless, because of sitting republicans? Yes, your elected representatives are over us. And apparently, you conservatives and the gun lobby are over them powerfully. Say something deep and reflective. That quote above is shallow.
Bizarre. And yet Donald Trump and his cohorts, supporters, enablers, and conspirators still won't accept the presidential election results where he clearly lost on ballot count and recounts.
And yet, some conservatives enable such presumption by making local, state, and federal attempts to appease Donald Trump, the stupid persistent former president, by helping him rig and bypass "the good of the whole" election process!
Just so 'your guy' can 'Win' and cheap the nation out of a free and fair election.
Stop with the 'flag-waving' and just be honest and a truth teller.
I see that you choose not to go first.
Clearly not. Which is why Democrats are now the majority in Congress.
You are seemingly dismissing that they represent us, and we can choose to not elect them again if they disappoint us.
Well, that is certainly your perspective.
You have steadfastly refused acknowledge anything he has said has any merit whatsoever and refused to answer a single question while demanding answers to your own questions.
THAT is shallow.
And there it is. You approve of this crap that we go through as a nation where children and adults are killed by gun-toting maniacs, and gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers rule over reason and logic-resulting in Memorial Day funeral planning in Uvalde, Texas and other parts of the country. Some conservatives, it is you who are a problem in our country.
The election was almost 2 years ago. Joe Biden has been in office since January of 2021.
No one was cheated out of a thing.
Democrats won the majority in Congress. Again, no one was cheated out of anything.
Constant complaining about Trump seems like a waste of time to me, but to each their own.
Now that you have laid all your cards on the table, will you at least stop the false and disingenuous calls for "unity" and "comity"?
Seems like your world would be nearly perfect without conservatives or anyone else who happens to disagree with you on anything at all.
You approve of the republican line of attack on your/there fellow citizens, which you pejoratively call "liberals." You tried to depersonalize it by referring to Mitch as "he," but we see you, Jack_TX for what you really mean. If in one breath you can positively uphold Mitch's constituent positions, and in the next breath demonize liberals - you expose you position as "With Mitch and the gang."
Why you try to bifurcate that and say nay is bizarre and just being combative for combat sake. You approve of the conservative position on nearly everything they do-up to and touching crazy Donald returning to office to lift up white male dominance.
WHY do you do this?
He said nothing of the sort!
For what? You can't use the 400 million you admit to in circulation. And yet production continues, while conservatives in apathy sit and do nothing. You conservatives are the problem. You describe what you think the benefit of adding more sales of firearms will do in a saturated nation. Even sick and twisted people near and far to you are loaded to the 'hilt.'
Forty-eight words with four 'and's in a run-on sentence that is as inaccurate as it's poorly written.
Man, coming from someone who has posted these gems is just priceless:
Pot, meet Kettle.
Peanut gallery pie throwers need not apply! BTW, if conservatives had their way, slavery would still be the order of the day. And the black citizenry would be even more powerless than is is today!
I am out all day. Do whatever it is "the collective" does among yourselves. Cheers!
So you call for gun manufacturers to cease to exist, but you can't name a single reason why we would benefit.
That just seems illogical on its face.
Playing victim and projecting at the same time.
Priceless!
“…with four 'and's in a run-on sentence that is as inaccurate as it's poorly written.”
Poorly written? Look at our gun laws as written…poorly constructed for the times, ineffectually enforced, and yet somehow excused with every inevitable incidence.
PS…does one ‘and’ meet your standard of acceptability?
You get little argument from me, especially on the lack of enforcement.
Perhaps italics would have been a better choice.
That seems to be a bigger problem than the actual wording of laws.
…and always a caveat.
Let a person beware.
The only version of "unity" that some on the hard core liberal left want is those that share only their own particular myopic political worldview that does include any conservative views. It's their way or the highway.
You're younger than I imagined.
The thing is, we are all allowed to have our own opinions.
I don't care if anyone agrees with me, but it is downright silly to call for "unity" while you are lambasting anyone and everyone who doesn't hold your opinion. Highly hypocritical to me.
Looks like you are the victim of a drive-by meme!
Cut n' Paste is an easy way to go.
SHOULD WE SIMPLY IGNORE ELECTIONS IF WE AS INDIVIDUALS DON'T AGREE WITH THE PEOPLE WE ELECT?
OR IS IT POSSIBLE TO VOTE THE ONES WE DON'T AGREE WITH OUT OF OFFICE?
No imagination required--obviously.
Yes.
Powerless, because you don't seem to understand the significance of "who works for whom".
I assure you, they are not. They understand this, which is why they pander as often as they do.
Over 40% of Americans households have at least one gun. I'm not sure those people are who you imagine them to be.
*eyeroll* Why don't you say something that deviates from the approved standard liberal thought process.
And yet Joe Biden sleeps in the White House. See how this works?
Well, I voted for Biden, so "my guy" won a free and fair election. I'm assuming you voted for him also, so I'm not sure what you're complaining about. Frankly, I'm not sure you have much clue about that yourself.
Many here are quick to make assumptions. They let their biases run away with them.
*eyeroll* You're doing that thing where you guess what other people are thinking, letting your imagination run wild.
I disapprove of enacting stupid, knee-jerk, reactive plans that have no hope of working so cowards can comfort themselves with a false sense of security.
I don't expect you to understand the difference, as it will require you to entertain thoughts that are not approved by standard liberal dogma.
How are they attacked? Do be specific.
CB...."he" is a third person pronoun. As I am not actually Mitch McConnell, use of a first person pronoun would be incorrect.
If you'll read it again, you'll notice that I make no comment about the people of Kentucky, other than the very obvious fact that they seem to like Mitch McConnell's representation. They've elected him 7 times, so I'm not sure that idea is really in question at this point.
I'm not actually one of his constituents. I live in Texas. Most people would have deduced this by the _TX included in my username. So to your bizarre phrase about McConnell et al "doing my bidding"... he doesn't give a solitary shit what I think. Nor should he. He represents the people of Kentucky.
Yet again you attempt to guess what I think, and yet again you're terrible at it. I suspect you have such trouble because I am above all a pragmatist, and you post like you've never even heard of such people, much less ever met one.
There are a significant number of conservative positions with which I disagree, including but not limited to topics like immigration, border walls, taxation, public education, voter ID, and the idea that statues can somehow never be removed.
However I also disagree with a significant number of liberal positions, on topics like immigration, border walls, taxation, public education, voter ID, and the idea that removing statues actually accomplishes anything.
No, that's a redundancy. You don't need to add over to saturated.
I don't like my steak overdone but I like my eggs over easy.
Why would you think that? When is the last time you were at a gun range? Went duck hunting? Deer hunting?
Yes. Just like production continues on new golf clubs, fishing rods, compound bows, arrows, and all sorts of other recreational items.
I think raving stupidity is a bigger problem, but it's a big help to politicians, so I'm fighting a losing battle.
I don't think it makes much difference one way or another.
And how do you imagine stopping new production is going to keep them from getting their hands on more of the 400 million already in circulation?
I'm not sure that's the case. Most gun owners, when polled, would like to see sensible gun law reform. Unfortunately, the "sensible" part seems utterly elusive.
How would you re-write them?
Yep, “sensible” is that elusive concept when it come to our government. Few politicians can be described as being sensible. Partisan, obtuse and utterly clueless describes most them much better.
Look no further than NT for proof of that problem.
Politicians do what gets them elected or re-elected. We have nobody to blame but ourselves for that.
Speak for yourself I guess.
For the most part none of the people I vote for operate against my basic constitutional interests. The problems are the radicals that get voted in on the coasts, that elevate to positions of power because they will never lose based on their constituency.
Not sure how that gets fixed but it’s a big part of our problem
Well.. "we" being the collective "we", as in "my fellow Americans" type of thing.
We're in an age when feelings are more valid than facts, so stupidity thrives.
I think therefore I am. - Descartes
I feel therefore I am. - Joy Behar
That's it, exactly. I keep harping on postmodernism but nobody seems to pick up on it. Postmodernism's premise is, generally, nothing can be known with certainty so there are no facts. This leads to relativism. People think CRT is a problem but it's nothing compared to postmodernism. I don't understand why we aren't talking about that more. It's destroying us.
All I will say to you is this: Kentucky keeps sending "Mitch" and you won't ask them to stop making him leader! Mitch is the conservative guy elected to be over- you. Now go! Learn the nuance meaning of: "Over you." and Over you."
Come on CB, you don’t really mean that.
I see it, I see it. The difference is two quotation marks instead of one.
Jack, I don't believe you voted for Biden. But if you did, 'booey for you!' Because good old Joe, literally old indeed, Joe got a "Win.!" In any case, it is a 'doggone fact' that Donald and his cohorts, enablers, supporters, and fellow conspirators still won't take the "Loss!" and are deeply committed to rigging the system (segue back to institutional racism) through turning a blind eye to the facts and what makes for a good republic: Truth and integrity.
Instead, you appear stoked to stand with the cheaters who are setting up to rig elections to high heaven. That is not good for the whole of the country. It's white male domination to repress society. . . .
Taking a moment or so to look up from your standard script, stepping away from the listing of daily talking points, and forgetting for a few to remind me of how bad liberals and other forms of non-conservatives are let's be clear:
Jack_TX, do you stand with White Male Domination in the United States in the 21st century? 1. Yes. 2. No. 3. You may write out your answer.
What does booey mean?
How did you get to there?
Well you got me with that one. The idiom (and it is aging out) actually should be: "Bully for you." It's meaning: Good for you. Thank you for catching that one!
And while you "sit on your laurels," hoping (or not hoping) against congressional failures to find suitable compromise, the feedback reverberating through our nation is "do something already"—get up off your ("thoughts and prayers") knees and run this country appropriate to the times you exist in-not some ridiculous notion of 'glory days' long since fading.
And for the record, Jack_Tx I reject your personal insults because I happen to know what I am discussing. Some conservatives stand at the threshold of most subject-matter with one foot "in" (the portions that "approve") and the other foot prepared to 'bolt' when talking points fail to achieve 'shock,' quenching of discussions, or are figuratively shot full of holes.
Let me cut through the minutia. That comment in its entirety is full of. . . full of. . . it. I don't believe you. And at the rate you are going, I will find myself in the position going forward of pointing out your biases against liberals to you. Bet on it.
Get a dictionary and get understanding. That's all. Bye!
Apathy! Told you. There is it! Nestled in a word salad as a centerpiece.
And this just in from a well-established Trump supporter.
Apathy on full display. . . that is until somebody messes with conservative values. Then its feelings time!
What is destroying us is "truth decay." And post-modernism was 'big' in the 90's and early 2000s. Since then, lying and vicious inculcation has strived in the ranks of conservatism where even the Church as been exposed for its "hangups" on fundamentalism.
Have you ever once considered that there may be solutions to problems other than your own?
That in a nation of over 300 million, there are differing opinions on what constitutes "doing something"?
Is "doing something" what liberals have been doing?
Please point out their successes.
Wow.
Wholly unrelated to anything anyone has been talking about.
Major derail and deflection.
Is everything all about race with you?
You appear fixated on it for some strange reason.
You don't believe a lot of things that are true.
So the previous guy was indeed working FOR us and we didn't like how he did the job so we fired him. See how that works.
I don't care what they accept or don't. I don't care what they're committed to or not. We have a system and despite what terrified cowards tell you, Trump and his minions are no threat to it.
Not to sane people.
Are you so out of completely out of possibly legitimate things to say that you now want to make this about race?
Do you even understand what irony is? You offer nothing but tired lefty positions, like you read them from a list.
Nah. We're not doing this. You're trying to pull that same bullshit you do whenever you're overmatched in a discussion.. where you change the subject and try to attack people with pejorative and complete bullshit questions.
Good luck with that.
And yet you keep saying so much more.
Do you know what people are elected to Congress to do?
Here's a hint:
Not to be "over you".
You realize you have yet to suggest anything tangible. You also realize nobody is surprised by that.
And yet you conceal that so incredibly well.
If you get anywhere near the actual subject matter, I think several people may drop dead from the shock.
The word you're looking for is "cynicism".
BTW, why are you unable to answer even the most basic questions in this seed?
The 19th Century called, the UK wants it's expression back.
2. CHEMISTRY
(of an organic molecule) containing the greatest possible number of hydrogen atoms, and so having no carbon–carbon double or triple bonds.
"saturated hydrocarbons"
Building your word-power to reduce your redundancy.
Not only out in left field, but the next county over!
That's full of . . . it.
Of course, says those conservatives with either blinders on, apathy for their fellow citizens (liberals and minorities), and "welcome" for white nationalists. It's expected, that you won't answer a direct question about those plans for this country.
Some people are just in perpetual denial mode.
He backed you into a corner of your own making, and now you wish to deflect away from the real questions you never answer.
But like many when arguments don't go their way, you pulled out the race card.
Pitiful.
Ineffective.
Distraction.
Standard MO.
Actually, I think he puts the list in a blender and just types whatever comes out at us. I wonder if we could make a case for assault?
Look! It has 'balls!'
With this waste of energy you could have looked up the word: over-saturated. Lucky for you, there is still time to do so!
over-saturated
see above
Well, the substance of what he wrote is what bothers me. Completely made up crap that he feels free to attribute to anyone HE deems a "conservative" regardless of the actual words they have written or the plethora of explanations to him.
It is hard to have any discussion with someone who consistently misrepresents or outright lies about what others think, say, and do, and steadfastly refuses to answer any questions while demanding answers to his own, and then pulls out that trusty old RACE card every time he has backed himself into a corner he can't walk out of.
A case can be made for the assault on reason, logic and our senses and sensibilities.
So here we are only days after the tragic killing of 21 innocent people, that, rightfully, made national headlines, and continue today, however, we see the same ole same ole play out when a black shoots into a crowd, putting many lives at risk.
Not a peep from the MSN. Nothing in the headlines, maybe a mention on page 10 with a 2 paragraph notice.
This is not anything new, as the shooter in the NY subway got about a half day coverage, then fell off the news radar.
Proof that the leftist media refuses to highlight the true danger in this country. ALL people with guns shooting into crowds, injuring or killing innocent people. Hiding the story when it is a black person does it is, and the leftists that approve of it, is a sorry narrative for this country.
Dogs bites man doesn't get the same coverage as man bites dog, it's just human nature.
Distract much? How many figurative 'hands' on this octopus can you deal with: It's called woman shoots and kills stupid shooter who THANKFULLY did not kill versus 21 INNOCENT CHILDREN and 2 INNOCENT teachers dead with funerals starting and an unfortunate police narrative that can't seem to stabilize it self! Now then, if you were a news producer which story 'sell's you on its merits? Which one would hold your audience's attention longer?
Do try to understand that media is an 'industrial complex' and some stories will have to: 1. Wait for varying reasons (including information). 2. Be 'shunted' off to other outlets due to shortages. 3. Be picked up by other willing networks.
The point you fail to acknowledge is guns are getting into the hands of people who are mentally or sociopathic enough to use them. Since "they" can't be denied their rights and freedoms, we have to deny them the guns. And that ain't happening.
Yes, Yes, Yes, black people do dirty, dumb, and stupid shootings too! Alas, for your narrative, the demographics of what is a mass shooter weighs heavier against lone white male.
Between 1982 and May 2022 , 68 out of the 128 mass shootings in the United States were carried out by white shooters. By comparison, the perpetrator was African American in 21 mass shootings, and Latino in 10. When calculated as percentages, this amounts to 53 percent, 16 percent, and 7.8 percent respectively.
And you 'reveal' this to mean what? Be abundantly clear and please proceed with your stats.
Click on the area that is in blue and you will get the stats you seek.
Lets see your stats with this one.
Reliable sources only.
That when calculated as percentages, white mass murder in this country 53 percent, Black mass murder is 16 percent, and Hispanic mass murder is 7.8 percent respectively.
The devil is in the details isn't it?
They, Statisica, have 18 instances counted under "other" and "unclear",
does that make the margin of error
14%?
By contrast, Wiki lists 252 shooting incidents of 3 or more people from Jan 02 2022
through 05 27 2022.
At least they admit
The devil is in the details isn't it?
Indeed.
Another source:
Rand can be a good source:
Texas Republicans loosened gun laws and slashed mental health funding before Uvalde shooting (msn.com)
Until we (all) stop treating words on paper like an absolute infallible religion and
stop worshiping the hand of the gun mentality, these random mass shootings will
continue day in and day out.
Exactly, I was also surprised by CB's certainty.
No, you are not surprised by any such thing. As I offered no hint of stats to be displayed or used. I simply use the accounting on standard journalistic reportings which are what we use when 'developing' opinions of the issue. No 'certainty' involved - just reporting. And the reporting points out the demographics of what is a mass shooter weighs heavier against lone white males.
You are simply an opportunist who tries to manipulate discussion with irrelevant remarks and select statements meant to distract from the root causes of an issue.
Perhaps the reporting, but not the numbers. Why are the racial demographics so important to you?
Listen, ask young (white) males why is killing of innocents with AR 15s "more important" to them. . . then, get back to me. As to this charade of concern (regard for) about racial mass murder percentages, I will leave the 'broader' discussion to you. Because right now, my time is full of what is 'breaking news.'
The killers, regardless of race, don't talk to me.
Use it wisely, time is precious.
Ditto.
While numbers can be distilled, cold, and dispassionate people ought to be empathized with because lives matter!
Like in Ghost?
I prefer distilled wry.
One cube of ice.
Of course they do, that should be self evident.
Learn to empathize-share others suffering and grief, and save your statistics for study!
What makes you think that I don't?
How are you doing that here?
I know that you don't care for metrics, too scientific?
and right on que...
Teens Gunned Down at Graduation Party With Hundreds in Attendance (msn.com)
After 1AM today but so far only one dead, 2 critical, so it doesn't count as a
"mass shooting" yet. Story is still developing. Guns are still too easily available
to teenagers that cannot legally vote, drink beer or buy cigarettes.
Yeah, there he is! THERE HE is!
What are you trying to say?
I'd tell you, but we know you know already...
Why not pick on someone else for a while?
This is several times you have tried to frame a discussion about metrics and me. Let me be clear: I am not dealing with any stats at this point because it is clear to me that your goal is objectification of these shootings (which make the news). The majority of you want to show, or it may be that you all are conscienceless or have seared consciences (but, you do emote over conservative select causes), to be apathetic to the suffering of poor, defenseless, innocent children and adults all for the cause of some constitutional privilege to saturate this nation with more and more guns.
Meh. Drinker' is quite the little 'resistance movement bundle,' but I am undefeated ! I am a 'prize' for an addict sometimes. That is: I'm charmingly and disarmingly ADDICTING!
Somebody has to search for the soul of these conservatives who have forsaken conscience! I humbly submit to the long, dry, 'drop' into the dark, damp, recesses of some conservative minds. Watch out conservatives: I bring with me the light of a 'thousand' candles!
Well, he probably has you pegged as a conservative, so it is damn near impossible for you to feel anything, according to "conservative experts" aka liberals.
Dry AND damp?
JBB, on the other-hand, I am a liberal, black, male, homosexual, feminist, Christian: A walking, talking, conservatives' *crack* 'addiction' or private reserve .
Huh?
i know better than to try to manipulate you, CB. What is the root cause of your issue here?
You toss a mean word salad CB, and with homemade conscienceless dressing as well.
That sounds environmentally irresponsible.
Careful, some may see this as taunting.
SAMSAMSAMSAMSAMSAMSAMSAMSAMSAM
“Look at me, I’m a victim.”
Most of the references I've seen define it as a shooting wherein at least 4 persons are killed or injured. I think it's on that basis that the numbers to date are quoted.
Root causes of issues should be what we are discussing; we should figure them out together! After all we're stuck in the same cesspools of violence! And if you do not repair the breaches in one neighborhood, experience has taught us, random breaches and stress-lines will appear pervasively.
Based on your previous posts here, I figured you already had identified the "root cause".
Isn't it conservatives?
Yes and I asked you what you thought it was.
Root causes of violent crime or of mass shootings?
Wow squiggy found victimization in my comment. Squiggy, that's SPECIAL. But since you brought this up the republican political party is toxic to liberal, black, male, homosexual, feminist, Christians. And don't forget: Toxic to girls and women, too!
Root causes of issues should be what we are discussing; we should figure them out together! After all we're stuck in the same cesspools of violence! And if you do not repair the breaches in one neighborhood, experience has taught us, random breaches and stress-lines will appear pervasively.
Why repeat yourself?
“Isn't it conservatives?”
Certainly not the root cause, but arguably a wall building, legislation blocking, and symbolism supporting deterrent to meaningful change.
That is a nice fantasy.
Can you point to some successes in preventing mass school shootings in blue states dominated and controlled by Democrats?
“Can you point to some successes…”
It is counterproductive to look at this as a ‘red’ vs. ‘blue’ issue. It can and will happen at any time and anywhere.
The ‘conservative’ ploy is apparent…good guys with guns, arm more people with those guns, cite Chicago, mental health, moral decay, video games, etc. and repeat ad nauseam. And tragically, that seems to be enough.
If you are unable to provide any examples, a simple no would suffice.
“….a simple no would suffice…”
No then.
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Gawd, the arrogance and sanctimony in that comment is earth shattering.
Like liberals somehow have the market cornered on soul. As they gaily support murder of the innocent and spend their days hating on every and all that don’t agree with them.
A more soulless group I can’t think of right now.
Lol .... the only ploy here is anti gunners trying to turn one problem into another as they continue their work. Hacking away at constitutional rights they don’t agree with.
It’s damn weak sauce for any truly thinking person.
That's just useless rhetoric. Worse of all, you know it is. You just have to know it. Learn empathy!
No it is then!
Thanks for proving that shouting at a problem and blaming conservatives is a futile exercise, often used by some liberals to detract from facts.
A lot of good a constitutional right is going to do these dying and dead innocent victims! But you know this already deep in the dark, dam, forgotten recesses of the conservative mind.
Counterproductive even…
Yes when someone dies, we should forget all about our Constitution, lest someone is led to believe that no one cares.
Often times, those shouting the loudest about unity and civility display the least of it.
Oh.
Perhaps this comment from you led me to believe you wanted to make it an issue:
Made it seem like if only there weren't conservatives, Democrats would have solved the problem by now, hence my question about how blue states have accomplished that feat without all that nasty conservative interference.
The "conservative ploy is apparent". But we're not looking at this as a red vs blue issue..... Riiiiiiiiight.
Is this like when liberals always say "no matter what your political views", and then demand everybody agree with their political views?
Checking out for the day. See y'all later tonight.
It's been interesting and a 'blast.' /s
Finally, a good gal with a gun story!
Dog bites man!
Who cares? Let's just arm all our grandmothers.
Now you want to see shit hit the fan, just imagine liberals armed to the tee like conservatives. Conservatives get what they want, but won't be able to deal with it.
hardly.. most gun owners respect other legal responsible gun owners. I know several who are armed all the time when they walk out of their house, and they run the gambit of political affiliation. What you fail to realize here is that it isn't the political inclinations that matter, it is if the person is legal and responsible.
I said, armed to the tee. That means further over-saturation of guns in our society as you can just imagine. And you are correct, as I see conservatives and liberals walking around unmasked (I still wear a mask in public everywhere), I also envision guns on the bodies of the conservatives somewhere.
Then maybe you need to explain further what you mean. "armed to the tee", in public or just total? I know a very left leaning progressive who has a personal arsenal of over 100 guns. He and I do not see eye to eye on a lot of things but I have no fear of his being armed like that. He is a responsible gun owner.
Been gone for several hours and will be hit and miss for several more this evening. A great many liberals at this time do not care for the 'sport' of guns, however, a shift can occur with the right "emergency" or 'drop out the bottom' of deaths from gun violence and the next thing you know the prevailing lifestyle choice will be liberals, holding liberals ideas, having guns in tow. Parallel to conservatives. It will increase the surplus of guns in society and Snuffy-I mean by a scale far beyond one liberal with an ammosexual love for a hundred guns! It is evidentially clear we have liberal 'nutjobs about too!
You think an increase in homicides will increase firearm ownership among liberals? To protect themselves? What are you thinking of purchasing?
That looks very big, what caliber is it?
We've seen the hypocrisy on this for decades.
Weren't some gun laws passed simply to disarm the Black Panthers back in the day?
Nothing gets gun laws on the books faster than the sight of African Americans with guns.
Which laws were those and in what states?
You are going to make me do the Google?
Check this out:
PBS has a good documentary about the Black Panthers.
You can tell your friends that you are hate-watching it.
I like PBS and have been a member for decades. So you think CA targeted Blacks with their gun laws?
I think it is documented history.
You’re probably right, the structural racism on the West Coast is a historical reality.
I know you really can't help yourself sometimes.
It's an ironic fact that the NRA was pro-gun control when African Americans were trolling Whites by parading around and stockpiling their own guns.
What do you mean?
Ok, but I thought that you were talking about the state of California, not the NRA.
Just like scary-looking black rifles, the NRA is very terrifying to some folks.
The link I provided over at History.com describes events that took place in California during the 1960s involving the Black Panthers, the NRA, and Ronald Reagan, among others.
To be honest, it would make a pretty good writing assignment for students to consider whether African Americans being restricted from gun ownership was an example of structural racism and whether the best cure for that would have been to give them greater access to guns. Or was it better to restrict access to guns for everyone? Or something else?
And then contrast that with access to government backed mortgages.
(My wife is a teacher. I listened to an awful lot of Zoom classrooms during 2020.)
Didn’t the Dem’s control the State Legislature that sent the Bill to the Governor?
Me too. My wife wishes they had stayed on Zoom as she came down with a bad case of COVID on Monday.
Yeah. Ouch. I hope she's OK and getting better.
(I think I had my second case of Covid recently. It came and went so quickly I didn't go out to get a test. What convinced me that it was Covid and not a sudden increase in allergens in my apartment is that my cat got sick again. He got sick the last time I had Covid. My wife never tested positive for Covid these past 2 years.)
Geez. I don't know!
I suspect it was Whites who controlled the legislature. A rare moment of bipartisan support for gun control fueled partly by racial panic. I was a Cub Scout in the 1960s, so I have to Google everything from then to understand it.
Thanks, not yet. It’s full blown with high fever, no smell/taste, COVID brain, etc. She had both vaccinations and was one of the few teachers still always wearing a mask.
I got kicked out of the Cub Scouts in 1963 for fighting with the Den Mother’s son at a Pack meeting after I called him a hillbilly. I had my biases back in the day.
Weird, I didn’t lose sense of smell and taste until after I was otherwise symptom free. That hung on for a couple weeks.
Prayers for you and yours brother.
My wife was/is one of the only ones still wearing a mask most of the time.
What irritates me up here in NYC is that we surrendered an awful lot of parking spaces to restaurants for outdoor dining with the obvious intent of providing well ventilated dining areas to mitigate Covid risk. What most of the restaurants have done is fully enclose those sheds. Now those outdoor areas have even worse ventilation than the indoor dining areas. Don't health inspectors have an opinion about this? What do they do with our tax dollars for outdoor dining shed inspections?
Nobody is doing much to help with the crisis these days.
Thanks, we are surprised with the symptoms after vaccination. The good news is that we don’t see hospitalization.
We are staying apart for now. I’m immune compromised due to recent chemo.
You just have to deal with it, that’s part of life.
Any school that hasn’t incorporated air sanitizing tech like Bipolar Ionization in their ventilation systems are screwing the pooch.
Doesn’t stop direct contact infections but makes sure any virus is not recirculated via HVAC systems
Here in very liberal Northern VA (and I like were I live), they have stopped tracking COVID cases in the schools.
I was fully vaccinated. Did it help ease my symptoms? Who knows but the jury is out on that IMO.
I'm not sure exactly what they are doing here in NYC with regard to tracking Covid in the pubilc schools.
About the only thing we still have left is a requirement to wear masks on public transportation and in theaters.
I think as a nation we are blowing it with masks. Covid is turning out to be something that can reinfect people within a matter of weeks or a couple of months since their previous infection. The vaccines apparently reduce the odds of getting a bad outcome. But Covid is obviously breaking through a lot. If some place is crowded we really need to be thinking about masking.
(And none of us are getting any younger.)
WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?
Of course they did.
In California’s form of government, Laws are drafted and approved first in their State Assembly and Senate before going to the Governor.
Like I said, WTF does it have to do with ANYTHING?
I don’t know how to further simplify for you, how California makes a law.
You don't need to simplify dick. I know the deal with scummy republicans.
Some people do better with diagrams instead of words. Here's a flow chart that might help yo u.
A more age appropriate explanation:
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In my case the loss of taste came after sinus irritation and sneezing and a feeling like my allergies were acting up. It was one of those viruses that crawls from your nose to your chest.
I might have some lingering issues.
Does that explain Chicago's tough gun laws AND its high murder rate?
How long has it been since the fever broke?
I just spoke with my wife and she is feeling a little better today. She slept sitting up last night because it is in her lungs.
When I was in the hospital, they wanted me sleeping on my stomach or my side favoring my stomach due to the fact that it helps free up and expand lung capacity.............
I got Covid in March 2021 between my first two Covid shots.
And I think I had a second bout around 3 weeks ago. It was such a quick ordeal that I never got a test. My cat was sick both times. How many viruses are there that humans and cats share?
My lingering issues are mild, like my sense of taste isn't back at 100 percent and I get fatigued in the afternoons in a way that I didn't before I had Covid. I will be doing something simple like doing the dishes and all of a sudden I feel like I really need to get off my feet and maybe lie down for a few minutes.
I am really sorry to hear about the health issues you and your wife are dealing with. I am going to be extra nice for the rest of the week. Maybe even until Sunday. Or maybe I should just be extra nice to everyone permanently.
What I think she's getting at is this sort of reply is similar to when people bring up that the Democrats used to be the party of segregation and the Republicans were the party of Lincoln and liberating African Americans.
The Democrats and Republicans have both changed a lot in the past 100 or 150 years.
The NRA has apparently changed a lot too. It seems to have become a lobbying group for the gun manufacturers and a bit disconnected from the rank and file members who by and large seem to support reasonable gun restrictions.
Disarming the Black Panthers (or anybody else seeking to troll our government buildings with loaded guns and other weapons) was the right thing to do back in the 1960s. It's still the right thing to do Circa Jan 6th, 2020.
You're generous and kind to our beloved tessy.
Absolutely, although 1967 was 55 years ago,
Completely agree, I had their firearms safety training as a kid and shot in NRA sponsored matches growing up. My father is a lifetime member but I'm not a member.
But Lincoln was shot in 1865 and the Republican Party didn't even exist until 1854. I am still surprised every time I am reminded that the GOP was founded by anti-slavery activists. It had that flag firmly planted for a long time.
Everything is subject to change. The ACLU used to consider free speech its top priority.
Check this out, the New York Times Daily podcast (today) has an episode dedicated to California's gun laws and it starts out with discussing the Black Panthers and the legislative freakout.
Now you want to see shit hit the fan, just imagine liberals armed to the tee like conservatives. Conservatives get what they want, but won't be able to deal with it.
Big talk, but I do notice absolutely no action taken, typically.
Gee, I wonder why........................
Wrong ..... purchasing a weapon is not limited on a partisan basis. Knock yourself out liberals. I’ll even do a range day with ya.
Lets go
You mean like this -
Exactly LMAO
Imagining it would have to suffice.
Big black guns appear to terrify many liberals.
Test your little "theory".
Arm up and attend a conservative function--say an NRA convention.
Prove something FOR ONCE instead of merely yakking about it.
Lol .... haven’t seen that one. Funny.
Love me some BRC .....
So do I. The only place that sells it around me is a gun shop. They sell out pretty quick. Usually get it online.
No, conservatives like being the big-shit gun talkers. Wouldn't want the 'competition.' It's all rhetoric. Just like it was in 2020 when Trump was going to win bar none. Well, Donald fell flat and now all the big shit 'rigging' talk is being stirred and hyped.
No real plans to DO anything, just platitudes, so now its on to Trump because your little quiver is empty.
Aren’t you contradicting yourself from 14.2?
Actually it may seem like that to those who know absolutely nothing about firearms.
What competition? If liberals knew just a little about weapons the conversation would be much different. It could even be friendly. Instead we have the ignorant left blathering on about fictional shit like "assault weapons" and the conservatives proving you all wrong at every turn.
Now you are just trying to deflect away from the conversation. What's wrong? conversation not going as you want?
Always the same--race or Trump is the go-to argument no matter the topic when they run out of legitimate arguments.
Your understanding of law abiding gun owners is almost childlike in nature.
Well Jeremy I got back here at the end of my night. See ya in the light of tomorrow.
You seem to like "child-like" or "juvenile" alot when you address others. And, who is talking about law-abiding gun owners anyway. Law-abiding gun owners by definition are not committing heinous violence. How do I know this: Because there is no law implying, suggesting, or recommending law abiding gun owners are wrong-headed or should be charged with illegal activities.
Throw some more crap into the 'mix', it might stick. Maybe not!
Deploying the old “I know you are but what am I” gambit? Weak sauce CB, really weak sauce.
You are when you support adding gun laws that take away their rights you silly goose.
Good to know you understand this. Why do you support tyrannical laws that take away their constitutional rights? You seem very confused you silly goose.
This is what most of your posts look like to the rest of us: pistachios, sea salt, jabberwocky, insulation, body centered cubic, boingo ........
Or whether it was given to him as a gift after his death.
I am a little surprised that not a single bleeding-heart liberal has suggested yet to prosecute the woman for killing the man, instead of merely winging him and disarming him.
I can't believe I left this money on the table.
Now that you mention it...
Wow this last comment of mine got mangled and I didn't even notice it. Apparently something from another comment was still in my cut-paste buffer.
It was supposed to read:
I can't believe I left this money on the table.
Now that you mention it...
Wow, it gets better each time!