Legally armed woman shoots and kills gunman firing into crowded party: Police

  
Via:  Just Jim NC TttH  •  one month ago  •  594 comments

By:   Luke Gentile

Legally armed woman shoots and kills gunman firing into crowded party: Police
A legally armed West Virginia woman shot and killed a gunman Wednesday after he began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowded party.

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One stopped............thanks to the lady with the gun.


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he shooter, identified as 37-year-old Dennis Butler, began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party at a Charleston, West Virginia, apartment complex before he was shot, police said


Butler had been at the apartment complex earlier Wednesday night in his vehicle and had been warned to slow down due to children playing.

No injuries were reported.

"Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives," Sgt. Tony Hazelett, the assistant chief of detectives for the Charleston Police Department, said.

After she fatally shot the gunman, the woman and party guests waited for police to arrive, and all reportedly cooperated with the investigation, law enforcement said.

The woman has not been charged, and no charges are expected, Hazelett said.

It is unconfirmed whether Butler had legally acquired his AR-15-style rifle.


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Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
1  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH    one month ago

Good samaritan

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
1.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    one month ago

There are a great many out there but sadly the MSM generally won't give them any credit.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
1.2  Gulliver  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1    4 weeks ago
Good samaritan

I don’t recall the part in that story about returning fire with a pistol.

Now the wedding where they thought the water was wine? That was probably a humdinger!

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
2  magicschoolbusdropout    one month ago

Cool !

A Legal "Pistol" packing mama over comes a "Rifle" bearing moron.

That's not supposed to be possible though.......... smile 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
2.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  magicschoolbusdropout @2    one month ago

Why would that not be possible? 

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
2.1.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Thrawn 31 @2.1    one month ago
Why would that not be possible? 

Didn't notice the smile ?

That adage has to do with which is better at distance and accuracy.

and Yes, I know it was probably a close encounter, thus the Smile.

 
 
 
Sunshine
Professor Guide
3  Sunshine    one month ago

Very Brave!  Seconds count...

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Expert
4  Tacos!    one month ago

Thank God for this woman, her gun, and her bravery.

Incredibly, and against so much “conventional wisdom,” she managed to bring down the killer without randomly killing dozens of innocent bystanders herself.

 
 
 
magicschoolbusdropout
Freshman Expert
4.1  magicschoolbusdropout  replied to  Tacos! @4    one month ago
she managed to bring down the killer without randomly killing dozens of innocent bystanders herself.

She might be a visitor to the practice range.

I'd love to see someone interview her to get her thoughts out there.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
5  charger 383    one month ago

good end to bad situation

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
6  Ed-NavDoc    one month ago

Bravo to that courageous lady! And not one word from the anti gun lefties on this so far. Yes, there was a legally armed good gal with a gun to put a stop to the perpetrator.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
7  squiggy    one month ago

A story like that gets buried with the Classifieds.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
7.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  squiggy @7    one month ago

Sadly, most of the time that is quite true.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
Professor Guide
8  Thrawn 31    one month ago

Thank god she was there. Sadly she is the big, big, big outlier. Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time, let the retarded fantasy go. 

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
8.1  squiggy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    one month ago
let the retarded fantasy go. 

Sure - only the NYC Police are allowed to pepper a sidewalk.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
8.2  Texan1211  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    one month ago
Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time, let the retarded fantasy go. 

What stops them?

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
8.3  Drakkonis  replied to  Thrawn 31 @8    one month ago
Thank god she was there. Sadly she is the big, big, big outlier. Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time, let the retarded fantasy go.

It isn't a fantasy. It's statistics. I don't know where you got your 99% figure but it probably isn't unreasonable. But it's important to understand the number. Good guys with guns do not stop bad guys 99% of the time because they failed. They don't stop them because they weren't there. A more revealing statistic would be, in the cases where there was a good guy (or woman) with a gun, how often did they make a difference? 

 
 
 
zuksam
Junior Silent
8.3.2  zuksam  replied to  Drakkonis @8.3    one month ago
They don't stop them because they weren't there

There's a reason Mass Shooters like to target "Gun Free Zones", they want to shoot people without getting shot themselves.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9  Buzz of the Orient    one month ago
"...37-year-old Dennis Butler, began shooting at dozens of people gathered for a birthday/graduation party..."
"No injuries were reported."

Good thing he wasn't exactly a sniper.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1  Split Personality  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9    one month ago

he was probably drunk again, his record indicates that he was a slow learner

512

But he was smart enough to get an AR style rifle somehow...

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.1  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @9.1    one month ago

Hopefully the birthday/graduation party was able to continue unabated. 

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.2  CB   replied to  Split Personality @9.1    one month ago

Just goes to show that a black man can be wrong as two left shoes and dangerous!  Additionally, your point is not lost on me, us: AR style rifles are not meant for civilized people. The people who us them against people are brutes!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @9.1    one month ago

He had an extensive criminal record....

"But he was smart enough to get an AR style rifle somehow..."

Proof that there is a BIG problem with the existing system.

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
9.1.4  Ronin2  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.3    one month ago

Which system would that be?

The system that doesn't keep criminals off the street; fails to charge them and hold them to the full extent of the law especially when it comes to enforcing firearm laws; and makes constant excuses for them until the inevitable happens and people wind up dead. 

You mean that system?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.5  CB   replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.4    one month ago

It's working 'swell' for TRUMP.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.5    one month ago
It's working 'swell' for TRUMP.

Trump?

AGAIN??????????

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.7  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.4    one month ago

Yes, the system that incarcerates more people than any other country

than China. That system.

Incarceration Rates by Country 2022 (worldpopulationreview.com)

How is it working for you?  From your comments, not so much.

The home of the brave and land of liberty leads the world in gun violence 

and overall incarceration and you want more incarceration to enforce the gun

laws you say are ineffective and violate the Constitution?

That is some serious internal conflict.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
9.1.8  Drakkonis  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.4    one month ago
The system that doesn't keep criminals off the street; fails to charge them and hold them to the full extent of the law especially when it comes to enforcing firearm laws; and makes constant excuses for them until the inevitable happens and people wind up dead.  You mean that system?

Or how about the guy's own community? This guy didn't live in a cave. He wasn't an unknown. Someone sold him the gun. Someone in the community knows who to go to for that sort of thing. But there's this deranged "don't be a snitch" ethos that protects and perpetuates such things. 

 
 
 
JBB
Professor Principal
9.1.9  JBB  replied to  Drakkonis @9.1.8    one month ago

Until the first shot was fired at his grandmother no crimes were committed. A troubled kid was legally allowed to purchase two high powered high caliber industrial killing machines and enough 5.56 ammunition to kill half their town.

No rules were broken. No laws violated. The US does not have a disproportional amount of the world's criminally insane. The US has easy access to big guns and ammunition...

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
9.1.10  squiggy  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.7    one month ago

Why is an incarceration rate not a reflection of crime rate? The jails are full of innocents?

 
 
 
Ronin2
Professor Quiet
9.1.11  Ronin2  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.7    one month ago
Yes, the system that incarcerates more people than any other country than China. That system.

What bullshit. China sends people to reeducation camps and makes people simply disappear, are they considered "incarcerated'? We don't enforce our laws to the full extent, period. We put criminals back on the god damn street daily. You can thank leftist DA's backed by Soros for that one. You think our laws are being enforced when shit like this is happening?

https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-shooting-violence-austin-police/11079879/#:~:text=CHICAGO%20(WLS)%20%2D%2D%20There%20is,%2C%20including%20first%2Ddegree%20murder .

There is an outcry from the mayor and some Chicago aldermen after men linked by police to a deadly gang shootout in Austin last week were released from custody. Prosecutors declined to charge each of them with a pair of felonies, including first-degree murder.

The mid-morning gunfight, which left one shooter dead and two of the suspects wounded, stemmed from an internal dispute between two gang factions, the Chicago Sun-Times reported.

New video from city pod cameras shows what police say is two people pulling up and opening fire at an Austin home. They ducked for cover as the people inside fired back. One person was killed and two others were hurt in the shootout. Three people were arrested.

Police sought to charge all suspects with murder and aggravated battery. By Sunday morning, a Chicago police spokeswoman acknowledged the suspects had "been released without charges."

The Cook County state's attorney's office explained that prosecutors had "determined that the evidence was insufficient to meet our burden of proof to approve felony charges," a state's attorney's office spokeswoman said, adding that police officials agreed with the decision.

But a police report framed the state's attorney's office's decision to decline charges in a different light: "Mutual combatants was cited as the reason for the rejection." Mutual combat is a legal term used to define a fight or struggle that two parties willingly engage in.

Mayor Lori Lightfoot and some West Side aldermen called on Cook County State's Attorney Kim Foxx to reverse her decision on the case.

"If they do not feel like the criminal justice system is going to hold them accountable, we're going to see a level of brazenness that will send the city into chaos and we cannot let that happen," the mayor said Monday.

A communication breakdown between two counties allowed 39-year-old Darrell Brooks to get out of jail just five days before he is accused of terrorizing the Waukesha Christmas parade. FOX6 Investigators find a single phone call may have changed the outcome.

The shock of what occurred on Sunday, Nov. 21, 2021 was immediate.

"I can't get that vision out of mind of that car hitting that kid in the Waukesha South band," said Cindi Duchow, who represents western Waukesha County in the Wisconsin State Assembly.

The blame was not far behind, as lawmakers started calling for the resignation or removal of Milwaukee County District Attorney John Chisholm.

"The buck stops on his desk," said State Rep. Scott Allen (R-Waukesha).

Those calls have only amplified.

"Quitting in the face of fire is not the proper approach to take," Chisholm said.

But a FOX6 News investigation found the $1,000 bail set for Brooks for another violent crime just weeks before the parade – which Chisholm called "inappropriately low" – was not the only mistake in the days leading up to the parade.

"There is a lot of blame to go around here," Duchow said.

On Nov. 5, 2021, Brooks was charged in Milwaukee County with running an SUV over the mother of his child. 

Six days later on Nov. 11, Brooks' mother, Dawn Woods, paid $1,000 to bail him out. However, Milwaukee County did not release him that day, because Brooks still had a warrant for his arrest in Waukesha due to more than $40,000 dollars in unpaid child support. 

This is the reason I can't have a rational discussion with leftists. This broken system that regurgitates real damn criminals back onto the street to commit more serious and violent crimes because they know there are no damn consequences. And the left bitches that too damn many people in the US are incarcerated. What fucking bullshit!

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.12  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.4    one month ago

Surely you know better than I do.

 
 
 
squiggy
Sophomore Quiet
9.1.13  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.12    one month ago

... because he has access to a free press.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  squiggy @9.1.13    one month ago

So do I.  I read USA TODAY, npr world news and npr American news, CTV NEWS (Canada Television News website) and Microsoft Bing News every single day, and a lot more sites when they have stories that interest me.  And guess what, THEY'RE FREE PRESS.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.14    one month ago

Free press does not particularly equal reliable or accurate.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.16  CB   replied to  JBB @9.1.9    one month ago

So it is our own gun 'success' story that is the sickness. Yep. Send 'em to school and they 'eat' the teachers!!!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.17  Jack_TX  replied to  JBB @9.1.9    one month ago
The US does not have a disproportional amount of the world's criminally insane. The US has easy access to big guns and ammunition...

I haven't seen the data on criminally insane proportionality, but pretending access is the only or even the primary issue ignores several other data points.

We've had access to big guns and ammunition for a long time.  Indiscriminate killing of mass numbers of complete strangers is a relatively recent phenomenon.

We can't just pretend that outlawing something is going to make a problem go away, simply because we're afraid to talk about what we as a nation do to our boys.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
9.1.18  Drakkonis  replied to  JBB @9.1.9    one month ago
Until the first shot was fired at his grandmother no crimes were committed.

Um, different person. Different issue.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.19  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.15    4 weeks ago

Your reply could equally be directed to squiggy.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.20  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.19    4 weeks ago

It could have but I did not see his post beforehand.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.2    4 weeks ago
The people who us them against people are brutes!

And criminals!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.22  Split Personality  replied to  Ronin2 @9.1.11    4 weeks ago
What bullshit.

Are you an expert?

China sends people to reeducation camps and makes people simply disappear, are they considered "incarcerated'?

Prove it with using the MSM you detest.

We don't enforce our laws to the full extent, period.

If we did, chances are you would be the first to protest being white and arrested for jay walking.

We put criminals back on the god damn street daily.

Raise taxes, build more jails and hire more "jailers".

You can thank leftist DA's backed by Soros for that one.

I don't worry about the twisted shit you conspiracy people believe.

You think our laws are being enforced when shit like this is happening?

There are twice as many lawyers as there are police, all looking 4 a pay check

to keep people out of jail.

It's the system we defend religiously with our "inalienable" 2nd Amendment rights 

while we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.1.23  Vic Eldred  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.22    4 weeks ago
Raise taxes, build more jails and hire more "jailers".

That's not the reason and you know it.

It's called social justice.



while we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.

I don't pretend. It's the radical left and yes, they are EVIL!

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.24  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.17    4 weeks ago

Luby's more or less coincided with video gaming jumping from consoles to PC's

in the mid 90's and gradually onto the internet with more and more improved graphics.

So do we outlaw the video games that condition these kids to

"winning" by the highest score of video graphic violence 

or raise the age limit for when they can legally obtain the means to

"practice" on live targets.

2022, day 149(?) 254 "mass" shootings so far, 126 successful suicides with

216 other incidents ending in 294 gunshot injuries.

I was somewhat leery of the figure of 17,818 deaths from gun violence ( all causes )

year to date, but it only allowed me to download the most recent 2,000 and it only takes us back to April 19.2022.

Number of Deaths in 2022 | Gun Violence Archive

Pretty sad.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
9.1.25  Gsquared  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.23    4 weeks ago

Russia the radical left?  What are you smoking?  Russia is a neo-fascist state allied with white supremacist and theocratic dominionists.  Putin is Trump's ally and partner.  Russian oligarch money has gone to the NRA, one of America's leading reactionary pressure groups.  Russia has alliances with right-wing reactionary political parties throughout Europe.

As for China, while they profess to be a communist society, in reality the country is a military authoritarian state with an enormous capitalist economy that you will experience if you ever go there.

While both countries are certainly controlled by evil regimes, your "radical left" labelling is nothing more than propagandistic distortion.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.26  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.23    4 weeks ago
That's not the reason and you know it.

I have daily business in Portland Oregon where the jails are restricted by both overcrowding settlements and COVID restrictions.

They have an empty and private jail sitting empty for years because they can't hire enough people to staff the prison.

Why do so many CBP live in Uvalde when they work an hour to 2 hours away from the border?  It's decent, but I doubt you would want to live there.

It's called social justice.

Better buy a thesaurus or a clue.

while we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen. I don't pretend. 

Yes, pretend is the nice way to put it.

It's the radical left and yes, they are EVIL!

Evil comes in all human shapes, colors, sizes and religions be they worshiping spirits

or words on paper or the Boston Celtics.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.27  Split Personality  replied to  Drakkonis @9.1.8    4 weeks ago
But there's this deranged "don't be a snitch" ethos that protects and perpetuates such things

Because "we" vilified the communists for such behavior throughout the Cold War?

No doubt we would take the opposite stance while criticizing our own law enforcement

and military for closing rank against outsiders.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Expert
9.1.28  Sean Treacy  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.22    4 weeks ago
we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.

Lol... Comparing genocide and concentration camps to putting people in jail after a trial by their peers for violating laws passed democratically.

Yeah, same thing as concentration camps for religious minorities, forced sterilizations, rape etc.

The CCP has murdered tends of millions of its citizens.  But, sure, America is worse.

How does anyone ever get the idea the left hates America?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.29  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.24    4 weeks ago
Luby's more or less coincided with video gaming jumping from consoles to PC's in the mid 90's and gradually onto the internet with more and more improved graphics.

Yeah, but that guy was 35, so I dunno if that influenced him or not in that particular instance.  Maybe it did.  Tough to say.

So do we outlaw the video games that condition these kids to "winning" by the highest score of video graphic violence or raise the age limit for when they can legally obtain the means to "practice" on live targets.

I don't know.  I think that's a great question, which starts to honestly open the broad ranging discussion we'll need to have as a nation before we can actually make any progress.

Personally, I think the whole phenomenon is due to a confluence of factors, so I think we're going to need the combination of a lot of things to push us back in the right direction.  But yeah, I think video games and media should be open for discussion, at least.  We've also got to take a long hard look at how we raise our boys.  We've been so focused on empowering girls and women over the last few decades that we've lost sight of the fact that boys don't raise themselves.   

Safety doors and police officers on every campus seem a minimum requirement at this point.  People will bitch about the costs, but we've literally just given away $3trillion since 2020.  We can afford a few billion for school security.

We can definitely take a look at limiting access to certain types of weapons based on age or special licensing, but that's not a remotely serious solution by itself, and we're never going to get any traction on it at all unless it accompanies a broad, legitimate set of steps on a lot of the contributory issues.

2022, day 149(?) 254 "mass" shootings so far,

The issue I have with this number and GVA is that they define "mass shooting" at 4 people injured.  That's not a "mass shooting", that's just a drug deal gone bad.  To lump that in with stuff like Uvalde or Sandy Hook is a pretty transparent attempt to politicize the issue while claiming they're not politicizing the issue.

 
 
 
Gsquared
Senior Expert
9.1.30  Gsquared  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.28    4 weeks ago
President Donald Trump appeared to equate US actions with the authoritarian regime of Russian President Vladimir Putin in an interview released [February 4, 2017] saying, “There are a lot of killers. You think our country’s so innocent?”  

How does anyone ever get the idea that the right and their Dear Leader hate America?

And, of course, there is this from the reactionary Governor of South Dakota: 

Noem charged into Iowa... singing a battle hymn and armed with barbed comments for her fellow GOP governors. At a conservative gathering in Des Moines, she told the crowd she "really hates this America” (Emphasis added).

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.31  Sparty On  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.29    4 weeks ago
The issue I have with this number and GVA is that they define "mass shooting" at 4 people injured.  That's not a "mass shooting", that's just a drug deal gone bad.  To lump that in with stuff like Uvalde or Sandy Hook is a pretty transparent attempt to politicize the issue while claiming they're not politicizing the issue.

Spot on and an inconvenient truth for the left.

 
 
 
Drakkonis
PhD Guide
9.1.32  Drakkonis  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.27    4 weeks ago
Because "we" vilified the communists for such behavior throughout the Cold War?

Um.... yeah. That's it /s

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.33  CB   replied to  Split Personality @9.1.22    4 weeks ago
We don't enforce our laws to the full extent, period.
If we did, chances are you would be the first to protest being white and arrested for jay walking

Now that is jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif funny. Oh, it's true. It's true. Can Ronin2 say, " Privilege."

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.34  CB   replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.23    4 weeks ago
It's called social justice.

Why do you think social justice is against conservative beliefs?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.35  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.34    4 weeks ago

How does social justice differ from justice?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.36  Split Personality  replied to  CB @9.1.33    4 weeks ago

'No because he is teflon to 'wokeness',

can't see the white trees in the dark forest, lol.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.37  Split Personality  replied to  CB @9.1.34    4 weeks ago

Any court decision they disagree with.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.38  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.29    4 weeks ago

If we had an award for the best comment made on NT ever,

I would give you my limit of votes, period. (and then some, lol)

Thank you.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.39  Split Personality  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.31    4 weeks ago
Spot on and an inconvenient truth for the left.

An inconvenient truth for everyone.

It's only made possible by the plethora of weapons available in this

country every year.

2/3s of all murder - suicides fail, leaving the perp alive but most likely brain damaged.

97% of all murder suicides leave one adult survivor, the murderer.

Would strict gun control like Russia or China eliminate similar tragedies in the US?

Not at all, but a huge reduction would be acceptable, would it not?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.40  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.29    4 weeks ago
Safety doors and police officers on every campus seem a minimum requirement at this point.  People will bitch about the costs, but we've literally just given away $3trillion since 2020.  We can afford a few billion for school security.

Public access is a philosophical perspective. However, if you must 'lock-down' access daily just to be free of exposure to injury and death. The 'thing' is effectively altered and deformed. That is, from the inside peering out, young kids may feel that they are in 'closed off' reformatories.

It would be failure of the system. All to keep ammo-sexuals free to run outside the bounds with weaponry playing "war-games." How did some of us ever get here in the 21st century?

By the way, some conservatives can't see to come to a compromise on guns (they want all the guns and gunpowder "freedom" they can shit), so now I ask point blank:

Who do some conservatives plan to use AR-15's on in the grand scheme of this country anyway? Because if it is sport. . . what is the name of the "game."  And if it's wildlife, what beast in this country needs to be "desecrated" with bullets?

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.41  Split Personality  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.28    4 weeks ago
we pretend China and Russia are the boogeymen.
Lol... Comparing genocide and concentration camps to putting people in jail after a trial by their peers for violating laws passed democratically.

Please reread Ronin's comments, then attempt to respond to me without the

obvious trolling, thank you.

Yeah, same thing as concentration camps for religious minorities, forced sterilizations, rape etc. The CCP has murdered tends of millions of its citizens.  But, sure, America is worse.

Sean, you are the same person who trolled myself and others,

that without  exhumed bodies and DNA proof of Native Indian children buried

around numerous re-education schools sponsored by the governments of the

USA and Canada, you would not believe it happened in spite of overwhelming

testimony of the families and Indian Bureau's of both countries.

Where is your concrete proof of the Chinese atrocities?

How does anyone ever get the idea the left hates America?

Where is there any evidence that any one can take your continuously

expressed bias seriously?

Thank you for trying to participate meaningfully.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.42  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.35    4 weeks ago

Social justice is about justice, yes. So a better question would be what are the differences between justice and injustice? Want to go there, or will you take a routine pass?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.43  CB   replied to  Split Personality @9.1.39    4 weeks ago

What some conservatives in the gun debate are detailing is fatalism. In the greatest country (we tell ourselves) in the world we are 'whipped' by guns overrunning us. And conservatives have no compromising glue how to help grandpa and grandma (sickly and on walkers shop outside the home) without them risking getting gunned down. It's sheer fatalism coming from that side of the aisle.

The constitution SAYS it so that is all conservatives wish to know! Even if it kills us all one person at a time!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.44  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.43    4 weeks ago
And conservatives have no compromising glue how to help grandpa and grandma

What sticky stuff do you have?

It's sheer fatalism coming from that side of the aisle. The constitution SAYS it so that is all conservatives wish to know!

My copy says nothing about fatalism, maybe you’ve gotten documents mixed up.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.45  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.42    4 weeks ago
Social justice is about justice, yes.

I asked how they differ?

So a better question would be what are the differences between justice and injustice?

Better perhaps but not what I asked.

Want to go there, or will you take a routine pass?

Ok, answer the better question and forget about a distinction between social justice and justice.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.46  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.40    4 weeks ago
Public access is a philosophical perspective. However, if you must 'lock-down' access daily just to be free of exposure to injury and death. The 'thing' is effectively altered and deformed.

Why?  Why doesn't that seem to be a problem with airports?  There are armed guards, security doors and metal detectors when I go to jury duty.  Why isn't it "deformed" but a school somehow would be?

That is, from the inside peering out, young kids may feel that they are in 'closed off' reformatories.

Do they feel that way at the bank?

BTW, if we really want to see what a society values, look at what the armed guards protect.

It would be failure of the system.

Well if it's such a rousing success currently, I guess we're all set then.

By the way, some conservatives can't see to come to a compromise on guns

Have you suggested a compromise? 

(they want all the guns and gunpowder "freedom" they can shit), so now I ask point blank: Who do some conservatives plan to use AR-15's on in the grand scheme of this country anyway? Because if it is sport. . . what is the name of the "game." 

"Shooting".  Shooting is a sport. 

And if it's wildlife, what beast in this country needs to be "desecrated" with bullets?

Feral hogs, for one.    

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.47  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.42    4 weeks ago
So a better question would be what are the differences between justice and injustice?

That's literally exactly what he asked.   

 
 
 
Drakkonis
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9.1.48  Drakkonis  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.47    4 weeks ago

It's like asking one of those magic eight balls questions but all the answers are woke. 

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1.49  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.19    4 weeks ago

It doesn't really apply. You boast of news availability to advance your political points - while using a Chinese dearth to claim ignorance of the unfavorable. You don't know nothin when you want to.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.50  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.45    4 weeks ago

We're near done, Drinker'.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.51  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.46    4 weeks ago

An it takes an assault rifle to control hogs?  Are you just making up an excuse or pulling one out of the air as opportunity?

Me offer conservatives a set of compromise proposals? Why?  The professional conservatives in red states and congress reject ('shoot down') reasonable proposals 'everyday' - why would I even try to offer YOU ALL anything. But, for shits and giggles, offer to pay me a consultant fee for my proposals and I will see what I can come up with, deal?  Of course it's not deal. This is just another deflection from some conservatives.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.52  CB   replied to  Drakkonis @9.1.48    4 weeks ago

The fundamentalist Christian among conservatives chimes in as a critic against social justice! I am not surprised. Fundamentalists are sitting on their hands while Jesus weeps over the failure of our nation to stand up for justice for all!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.53  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.52    4 weeks ago
while Jesus weeps over the failure of our nation to stand up for justice for all!

Weeping isn’t a method.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.51    4 weeks ago
An it takes an assault rifle to control hogs? 

Do you know what an assault rifle is, and can you define one?

Me offer conservatives a set of compromise proposals? Why?

Because that is what reasonable people do when complaining about others not compromising. At least, the people serious about change do.

This is just another deflection from some conservatives.

That is pretty rich, especially after reading some of your posts where you interject race into topics having nothing to do with race. 

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.55  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.29    4 weeks ago
 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.56  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.51    4 weeks ago
An it takes an assault rifle to control hogs?  Are you just making up an excuse or pulling one out of the air as opportunity?

It absolutely does.  Seriously, if you don't know that, you're not qualified to be in the gun conversation.  

Me offer conservatives a set of compromise proposals? Why?

Because you keep pretending to want a compromise and pretend that "some conservatives" are the reason we don't have one.  Yet you never, ever, ever, ever manage to even suggest a concrete idea of any kind.

  The professional conservatives in red states and congress reject ('shoot down') reasonable proposals 'everyday'

Such as?

- why would I even try to offer YOU ALL anything.

At this point, it would demonstrate that you're capable of A) discussing a compromise and/or B) generating an original idea.

But, for shits and giggles, offer to pay me a consultant fee for my proposals and I will see what I can come up with, deal?  Of course it's not deal. This is just another deflection from some conservatives.

Well you would certainly be the expert on deflection.    And irony.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.57  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.55    4 weeks ago
Great article today by a former Kimber exec.

It's interesting that he calls guys with Trump stickers and AR-15s "authoritarian forces".

They see themselves as the antithesis of that.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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9.1.58  Split Personality  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.23    4 weeks ago
That's not the reason and you know it.
It's called social justice.

No, it's your own bias.

According to this story, a person arrested for shooting a gun near a Kroger supermarket was released on reduced bail because the Supreme Court of OHIO ruled last year that public safety could not be used to set bail.

Ohio made important strides toward bail reform this month.

The Ohio Supreme Court approved rule changes requiring that:

  • Counties establish as their first choice the release of an individual on nonmonetary personal recognizance before resorting to formal bail
  • Counties with more than one municipal or county court adopt a uniform bail schedule.

The changes take effect July 1 and were proposed by the group charged with implementing the 2019 recommendations of the Ohio Task Force to Examine the Ohio Bail System.

Chief Justice Maureen O’Connor(R) and Justices Patrick F. Fischer(R), Michael P. Donnelly(D), Melody J. Stewart(R), and Jennifer Brunner(D) approved the changes. Justices Sharon L. Kennedy(D) and R. Patrick DeWine(R) dissented.

Looks very bipartisan doesn't it?  Leans Republican 4-3.

Ohio Supreme Court bail ruling sparks debate over public safety and penalizing the poor - WOUB Public Media

Ohio Further Expands Bail Reform (courtnewsohio.gov)

The  Bail  Reform  Movement  is  a  Thing - ConstitutionNEXT

As a result, two things happened.

The Kroger shooting suspect was served another warrant at his home and promptly rearrested for multiple weapons and drug violations.  No bail this time.

As far as bail reform goes, the Ohio AG and the GOP originally for it, now is not only against it, they want to change the OHIO constitution to void the court ruling.

And that’s just what happened. Two weeks ago, Republican lawmakers introduced a proposed constitutional amendment that would require courts to consider public safety when setting bail.

Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost framed it this way during a news conference with lawmakers announcing the proposed amendment: “We’re going over the heads of the Supreme Court to the people.”

Critics of the court’s decision in DuBose v. McGuffey look to change the state constitution in part because the court grounded its arguments in the state and federal constitutions.

Ohio Supreme Court bail ruling sparks debate over public safety and penalizing the poor - WOUB Public Media

But, but, evil liberals and radical leftists...jrSmiley_72_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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9.1.59  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.35    4 weeks ago

Only to a certain class of people.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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9.1.60  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.56    4 weeks ago

Some people obviously have never seen a full grown feral hog in the wild. I have, I watched a friend of mine take one down that was trampling his corn field. He had a AR-15 style weapon with him. The hog charged him and my friend let off 6 rounds. The first three just pissed it off and slowed it down. It finally went down with the 6th round about 6 feet in front of him. That hog field dressed out at about 400 lbs.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.61  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.60    4 weeks ago
The first three just pissed it off and slowed it down.

That is a big boar, they develop a hard, armor-like shoulder plating.  The shot from the side is straight up from the front hoof, right behind the head avoiding the shoulder,  If he is charging, then the best shot is the head, between the boar's eyes and its forehead.

When my Dad used to take me, I carried an old lever action .30-30.  He liked a .357 Colt with a Mag load, thought it more sporty.  

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1.62  squiggy  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.55    4 weeks ago

In one instance, Daniel Defense paid for a production. In the other 843,947,526 violent Hollywood ejaculations, the producers benefitted and they no intention of seeing their 1a rights diminished.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.63  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.57    4 weeks ago

Kimber makes a great line of 1911’s.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
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9.1.64  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.61    4 weeks ago

As a backup my friend was packing a Colt .357 Python Magnum. He said in retrospect he probably should have used that but he already had the rifle in his hands and he would have finished it off with handgun.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.65  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.46    4 weeks ago

If you need more than a 6-shot magazine to kill a feral hog, you'd better spend a lot more time at a shooting practice faciiity.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.66  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.60    4 weeks ago
"That hog field dressed out at about 400 lbs."

Enough bacon and pork chops for a couple months' meals.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.67  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Sean Treacy @9.1.28    4 weeks ago

Thankfully I don't believe everything I read - but I guess you do, eh Adrian?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.68  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Gsquared @9.1.25    4 weeks ago

If China is a military state, how come the only time I've ever seen a soldier, other than in parades on TV, was about 13 years ago when I took a long walk in Zhengzhou and came across a military base where they park vehicles that was guarded by two soldiers holding rifles?  Almost 16 years here and never seeing another military person - damned hard to explain, living in a "military state".

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.69  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.65    4 weeks ago

If you think that you’re just killing  a  feral hog then you might not know what you’re talking about…

384

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1.70  squiggy  replied to  GregTx @9.1.69    4 weeks ago

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squiggy
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9.1.71  squiggy  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.68    4 weeks ago

“…guarded by two soldiers holding rifles?”

Why did they need rifles.

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.72  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.65    4 weeks ago

How many shots do you think it would take you if this was in your face?…

384

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.73  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.65    4 weeks ago

Or this..

384

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.74  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.65    4 weeks ago

Or how about this…

384

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.75  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1.69    4 weeks ago
"If you think that you’re just killing  a  feral hog then you might not know what you’re talking about…"

Why would I ever go anywhere where that is the situation?  Even a machine gun wouldn't be enough - I think I have a normal sense of self preservation.  You Americans can try to prove how big your balls are. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.76  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1.74    4 weeks ago
"How many shots do you think it would take you if this was in your face?…"

Well, maybe I'm too sensible to go by myself where I would need more than 5 or 6 shots to protect myself, but then I was my school's rifle marksman champion for two years, shooting 10 bullseyes in a row to a 5 target 8 X 10 card at 20 yards with a reconditioned WW2 rifle with no scope.  Here is a photo that was published in my city's newspaper of me receiving the trophy for it on my school's games day. 

800  

But even with that I never owned a gun and never wanted to.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.77  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  squiggy @9.1.71    4 weeks ago

"Why did they need rifles."

Do your army guardposts at army facilities not have them?  I never said the army did not have guns.  Isn't that common all around the world?  Yet bank guards do NOT have guns, and don't need them.

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.78  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.75    4 weeks ago

Has nothing to do with proving how big our balls are, that’s well established.

Even a machine gun wouldn't be enough

Ahh, so you got my point?

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.79  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.76    4 weeks ago

Must be a wonderful thing to be a pre-cognitive marksman….

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.80  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1.78    4 weeks ago

Sure, you may as well have posted a herd of wild elephants charging, since that's your point.  Certainly American citizens need to protect themselves from a massive attack by a hundred huge wild feral boars.  I guess I should write an email to my son in Wisconsin and warn him that such an attack is inevitable.  Canadians don't find such dangers quite as common as Americans must, and in any event, at least they're smart enough not to put themselves into such a dangerous situation.  Are you also figuring on a Red Dawn invasion?  Have you built and outfitted your fallout shelter yet?

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.81  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.80    4 weeks ago

Ah so you didn’t get my point. No surprise 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.82  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.80    4 weeks ago

LOL.  YOU'RE the one with pre-cognition, because you anticipate being mowed down by wild beasts and have to be prepared for it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.83  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1.81    4 weeks ago
"Ah so you didn’t get my point. No surprise" 

Really?  Well that's a matter of opinion, isn't it.

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.84  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.82    4 weeks ago

Mmmmkay…

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.85  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.56    4 weeks ago

Jack, well there you have it. Your answer to gun safety is no better than my own. :) Shits and giggles for everybody! And, where I live we don't have any feral hogs that I know of. Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.86  CB   replied to  Split Personality @9.1.55    4 weeks ago
They targeted young American boys through video games 

And there you have it, I will be reading to see if the conservatives of NT will remark on this story!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.87  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.57    4 weeks ago
They targeted young American boys through video games 

So you are an "authority" on Trump sticker 'relations.'  Very well, Biden 'voter'. Noted. Carry on.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.88  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.87    4 weeks ago

What is “Trump sticker relations?

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
9.1.89  GregTx  replied to  CB @9.1.85    4 weeks ago

Perhaps we could export them to Russia…

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CB
Professor Principal
9.1.90  CB   replied to  GregTx @9.1.74    4 weeks ago

Actually, I think you have a point there. And done so in good order with graphics. I relent on that account. Poor beasts, nevertheless. Still, in cities, AR rifles are used for human 'prey.' This is unacceptable.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.91  CB   replied to  GregTx @9.1.89    4 weeks ago

You can eat them for all I care. The point has been made. Feral hogs and a host of other animals can be taken down with AR rifles. Now, on the spectrum-we know that what can be used for good can also be used for evil. Do you agree it is wrong to decimate human flesh, children or adult, with an AR 15 rifle?

 
 
 
GregTx
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9.1.92  GregTx  replied to  CB @9.1.91    4 weeks ago

Yes

 
 
 
GregTx
Junior Participates
9.1.93  GregTx  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.83    4 weeks ago

Nah I think it’s pretty obvious.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.94  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  GregTx @9.1.93    4 weeks ago

Well, if I didn't, then your comment does a pretty shitty job of making one. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.95  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.91    4 weeks ago
Do you agree it is wrong to decimate human flesh, children or adult, with an AR 15 rifle?

What was the flesh of Salvador Ramos decimated with?

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1.96  squiggy  replied to  GregTx @9.1.81    4 weeks ago

He didn't get mine either - but heh.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.97  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.65    4 weeks ago
If you need more than a 6-shot magazine to kill a feral hog, you'd better spend a lot more time at a shooting practice faciiity.

When was the last time you went on a hog hunt?  Tell us all about it.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.98  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.75    4 weeks ago
Why would I ever go anywhere where that is the situation?  Even a machine gun wouldn't be enough - I think I have a normal sense of self preservation.  You Americans can try to prove how big your balls are. 

Buzz, you know how Americans come on here and try to speak authoritatively about China, and it's obvious they've never even been?  Don't be that guy. 

Feral hogs do literally billions of dollars in damage to crops every year in the US.  American farmers and ranchers don't have a choice.  They have to do something to control the problem. 

Hogs move in packs, they're highly aggressive and very dangerous.  They average about 200 pounds, with the largest males going as high as 900 pounds, and they run 20-25 mph.  They are known to charge and gore humans, dogs, livestock, and pretty much anything else that pisses them off.

BTW, they're primarily nocturnal.  

So if you want to face down a 400 lb charging hog in the dark with some bolt action relic, then you do that. 

But until you've gone on a midnight hog hunt in order to try to save your crops, you don't really have any clue in hell what you're talking about and you might want to save your judgementalism.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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9.1.99  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.98    4 weeks ago

If they are that much of a pest and are of no value at all, then why the hell are they tolerated at all?  America sends it's soldiers all over the world to fight the enemy but it can't wipe out the enemy on its own soil?  Are they necessary to maintain the circle of life?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.100  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.85    4 weeks ago
Jack, well there you have it. Your answer to gun safety is no better than my own. Shits and giggles for everybody! And, where I live we don't have any feral hogs that I know of. Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.

I dunno... I think "lock the school doors and put a policeman on guard" is a better answer than "bitch about 'some conservatives' not doing shit that white liberals demand but won't actually work".

Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.

And release them where, exactly?  Haven't thought that through, have you?

So you are an "authority" on Trump sticker 'relations.'

Because Trump supporters are so scarce in Texas.  You can't find 'em anywhere. Haven't thought that one through very well, either, have you?

Very well, Biden 'voter'. Noted. Carry on.

*eyeroll*  

Out of curiosity, why does it not bother a 'black man' that none of these white liberals ever want to talk about gun control when it's just black kids getting shot?  Black men are 20 times more likely to die from gun violence than white men are, yet you only seem to care about whatever is on the standard white liberal script. Why is that? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.101  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago

We have seen Republican after Republican, conservative after conservative say , for years now, that the only way to combat school shootings is to lock down the schools and turn them into fortresses. That and arm teachers, a group that seemingly by all accounts doesnt want to be armed. 

There is no right for citizens to walk around with high powered rapid fire rifles. No one in their right mind believes that the Heller decision gives that right. One day we will have a Supreme Court that makes that crystal clear. 

The way to end school shootings is to end the gun love insanity.  Every mass shooter that I can recall was found to be fascinated , not with killing kids per se, but with guns and the harm they could inflict with them. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1.102  Sparty On  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago

Blacks kids being murdered in numbers, every day across this country, is not a crisis to them.    It’s the norm so not crisis worthy I guess.

And liberals do hate to waste a good crisis.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.103  Jack_TX  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.99    4 weeks ago
If they are that much of a pest and are of no value at all, then why the hell are they tolerated at all?

Probably for the same reason we tolerate rats, roaches, and mosquitos.  Getting rid of them is much easier said than done.

They are actually a highly invasive species with no natural predators.  God designs every species to survive, and hogs are no exception.   A single female can produce 2 litters of 6 every year.  Wildlife experts think we have over 6 million in the US and that number is growing rapidly.

To be fair, we do employ some pretty effective killing implements against them.  It's just not enough.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.104  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago
Out of curiosity, why does it not bother a 'black man' that none of these white liberals ever want to talk about gun control when it's just black kids getting shot?

You're kidding. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.105  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.101    4 weeks ago
There is no right for citizens to walk around with high powered rapid fire rifles.

That kid never would have made it to a classroom in most of our schools.   We’ve had hardened access and armed security on campus for decades.

Protecting kids is easily done for systems that are really interested in protecting them from the random nutcase and it’s simply shameful more aren’t taking such steps.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.106  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.101    4 weeks ago
The way to end school shootings is to end the gun love insanity.

Yeah, lets ignore the real problem and ban inanimate objects.  How about we ban spoons to bring obesity under control.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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9.1.107  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.106    4 weeks ago

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JohnRussell
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9.1.108  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.106    4 weeks ago

Do you think it is appropriate to pretend that the only thing we need to do is "harden" schools?  Hardening schools is an admission of defeat , a recognition that society cannot deal with mass shootings other than to turn schools into fortresses. It is insanity. 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.109  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.101    4 weeks ago
We have seen Republican after Republican, conservative after conservative say , for years now, that the only way to combat school shootings is to lock down the schools and turn them into fortresses.

Every society locks and guards what it values.  The same silly liberals who don't want to lock the school doors go home and lock their own doors every night.  If locking the door of their home doesn't cause some sort of trauma, why would locking the school door?  It's just silly.  

That and arm teachers, a group that seemingly by all accounts doesnt want to be armed. 

Speaking of silly, arming teachers is among the most idiotic ideas floating around today.  Seriously.  Anybody who thinks this is a good idea has not set foot in an urban school since segregation or is a complete moron.  Or both.  

There is no right for citizens to walk around with high powered rapid fire rifles. No one in their right mind believes that the Heller decision gives that right. One day we will have a Supreme Court that makes that crystal clear. 

Until that day, we can lock the damned doors.

The way to end school shootings is to end the gun love insanity.

You're talking about changing "feelings".  You're not going to have any better luck changing theirs than they have changing yours.

  Every mass shooter that I can recall 

The most important part of your point is right here.... "every mass shooter".  These psycopaths have traits in common, and common behaviors that lead up to their acts.  These are not random acts or crimes of passion.  These are premeditated, pre-planned, methodical actions where we all look back later and wonder how everybody missed the very obvious signs. 

When we get serious about stopping these types of incidents, we'll start reporting crazy people ahead of time.  We'll be scouring social media with AI like we're looking for terrorists.  Until we're willing to do that, we're not serious about this problem.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.110  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.108    4 weeks ago
Do you think it is appropriate to pretend that the only thing we need to do is "harden" schools?  Hardening schools is an admission of defeat , a recognition that society cannot deal with mass shootings other than to turn schools into fortresses. It is insanity. 

How come hardening banks is not an admission of defeat?

Resistance to "hardening schools" is an admission that our money is more important than our kids.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.111  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.109    4 weeks ago

Of course in the immediate short term schools should be locked down and fortified to any necessary degree. 

My objection is that we have right wingers proposing this as a permanent solution. See Newt Gingrich. 

The types of guns that are often used in these shootings do not need to be in the hands of citizens, and there is no constitutional justification for it either. Even Scalia said that gun ownership could be regulated. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.112  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.107    4 weeks ago

Is sad how true that is.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.113  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.104    4 weeks ago
You're kidding. 

I'm sure as hell not.

We lose 30 black people a day to gun violence in this country.  Another 110 are wounded.

Yet our angry white liberals only seem to show up when the shooting involves an AR-15 and no black kids.  Why is that?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.114  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.108    4 weeks ago
Do you think it is appropriate to pretend that the only thing we need to do is "harden" schools?

Why are you so against it?  It's proven to work.  Look at banks and air planes.  Is it you don't think the kids are worth the time and money?  Or do you really not give a fuck about the kids?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.115  Jack_TX  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.106    4 weeks ago
Yeah, lets ignore the real problem and ban inanimate objects.  How about we ban spoons to bring obesity under control.

That's easy.  Just get a major spoon manufacturer to publicly support Trump.  Job done.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.116  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.113    4 weeks ago
Yet our angry white liberals only seem to show up when the shooting involves an AR-15 and no black kids.

Remember it was the angry white liberals that removed everybody of color from products like Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima and left all the white people.  But everybody else are the racists.

Really I don't think they even give a rats ass about the kids.  They've given no workable solution to slow the shootings.  They claim "tighter gun laws" but ignore how those tighter gun laws have failed in cities like Chicago.  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.117  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.111    4 weeks ago
Of course in the immediate short term schools should be locked down and fortified to any necessary degree.

It's not short term at banks.  Or airports.  I think we need to ask ourselves what we really care about.

My objection is that we have right wingers proposing this as a permanent solution. See Newt Gingrich. 

Well, even a broken clock is right sometimes.

The types of guns that are often used in these shootings do not need to be in the hands of citizens, and there is no constitutional justification for it either. Even Scalia said that gun ownership could be regulated. 

It is regulated.  Try buying a .50 caliber machine gun.  All we would need to do is expand the current regulation to include assault weapons. 

But that's not going to happen as long as the primary proponents of it are people who:

  • have never owned a gun
  • know nothing about them
  • can't even define the types of weapons they want to regulate
  • continually demand increasing government intervention on all fronts simply to assuage their emotions
  • really only care about gun control because it's part of their religious war against white conservatives.

None of that is likely to change in my lifetime, so let's lock the doors and post some guards, shall we?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.118  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.116    4 weeks ago
Remember it was the angry white liberals that removed everybody of color from products like Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima and left all the white people.  But everybody else are the racists.

You have an unlimited amount of nonsense in your repertoire dont you? 

Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemina are stereotypes of black subservience that far outlived their time. If you knew anything about American history you would know that. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.119  Texan1211  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.116    4 weeks ago
Remember it was the angry white liberals that removed everybody of color from products like Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemima and left all the white people.

I thought for sure we would have had world peace by now after changing boxes of rice and syrup bottles.

What happened??

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.120  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.117    4 weeks ago
Of course in the immediate short term schools should be locked down and fortified to any necessary degree.
It's not short term at banks.  Or airports.  I think we need to ask ourselves what we really care about.

So you think we should permanently make 3rd and 4th graders think that someone is trying to kill them.  I disagree. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.121  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.118    4 weeks ago
Uncle Ben's and Aunt Jemina are stereotypes of black subservience that far outlived their time.

And I'm the one with the "unlimited amount of nonsense"?  

If you knew anything about American history you would know that. 

You mean like your "knowledge" of it?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.122  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.119    4 weeks ago

No shit.  I guess the Nobel Committee hasn't caught up.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.123  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.113    4 weeks ago
Yet our angry white liberals only seem to show up when the shooting involves an AR-15 and no black kids.  Why is that?

You're just wrong. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.124  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.111    4 weeks ago
My objection is that we have right wingers proposing this as a permanent solution. See Newt Gingrich. 

I am sure you can find all sorts of ideas from all sorts of people.

Must See: 5 Specific Times Democrats Wanted To Confiscate Your Guns (thepoliticalinsider.com)

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.125  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.120    4 weeks ago
So you think we should permanently make 3rd and 4th graders think that someone is trying to kill them.

Well, I prefer the kids be protected.

Why don't you?

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1.126  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.120    4 weeks ago

So bankers and airport employees are in permanent danger of being murdered?    I better tell my neighbors.    One’s a Delta pilot and one works for TSA.

 
 
 
Sparty On
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9.1.127  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.125    4 weeks ago

Because it’s tough to waste a good crisis.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.128  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.125    4 weeks ago

They think they will get better responses using fear.  They'll use broad terms for what scares them in the hopes that the lemmings will fall in line and live in fear as well.

Must be a very sad and agonizing life being afraid of everything.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.129  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.121    4 weeks ago
And I'm the one with the "unlimited amount of nonsense"

Well, yeah. 

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From 1946 to 2020, Uncle Ben's products carried the image of an elderly  African-American  man dressed in a  bow tie , which is said to have been based on a  house negro  waiter. [15] [16]  In 2020, Mars told  Ad Age , "We don't know if a real 'Ben' ever existed." [17]  According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an enslaved African-American “house negro cook” known by the  plantation owner  and  overseers  for the quality of his  rice dishes . Gordon L. Harwell, an entrepreneur who had supplied rice to the armed forces in  World War II , chose the name "Uncle Ben's" as a means to expand his marketing efforts to the general public. [18]

Ben's Original - Wikipedia

The origins of the Aunt Jemima logo can be traced back to the song "Old Aunt Jemima," which was performed in minstrel shows in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, often featuring White performers in Blackface. The   official website states   that the logo was created around 1890 and was based on Nancy Green, a former slave who had spent her life as a "storyteller, cook and missionary worker." In 1890, the R. T. Davis Milling Company, which first manufactured Aunt Jemima pancake mix until 1926, hired Green as a spokesperson. Green kept the job until her death on Aug. 30, 1923, and was replaced by a number of other actors and models.

aunt-jemima-getty-20088881.jpeg?auto=webp&width=696&height=365&crop=696:365,smart (Photo: Getty )

While the logo itself has changed slightly over the years, it's always been a variation on a smiling Black woman, which itself was based on the long-held "Mammy" stereotype, a Black woman with dark skin and a bright white smile.

Aunt Jemima's Racist Origins: What to Know (popculture.com)

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.130  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.123    4 weeks ago
You're just wrong. 

You do realize that 51 people were shot over Memorial Day weekend in Chicago alone. 

Maybe a group of white liberal politicians has proposed a ban on 9mm pistols and I just don't know.  That must be it. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.131  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.129    4 weeks ago

Both are gone now, so world peace, right?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.132  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.120    4 weeks ago
So you think we should permanently make 3rd and 4th graders think that someone is trying to kill them.  I disagree. 

So your money IS more important than our kids.  OK.  That's disappointing.

Out of curiosity, do you lock the doors at your house at night?  Or does that cause you some sort of trauma by making you think someone is trying to kill you?

The idea that kids will be emotionally damaged by a locked door is even more idiotic than arming teachers.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.133  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.108    4 weeks ago
Do you think it is appropriate to pretend that the only thing we need to do is "harden" schools? 

Who has stated that is the only thing to do?

Hardening schools is an admission of defeat , a recognition that society cannot deal with mass shootings other than to turn schools into fortresses.

Or, realistic people can acknowledge the problem and find a solution that can actually work while politicians talk about solutions, pass laws which are ineffective and are often not enforced.

The technology exists TODAY to secure schools, to protect kids and teachers. Only a fool wouldn't want to do that and leave it to politicians who have done virtually nothing.

That isn't an admission of defeat--it is a practical solution we can employ TODAY.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.134  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.129    4 weeks ago
which is said to have been based on a  house negro  waiter.

"WHICH IS SAID TO HAVE BEEN".  Did you see that John?  They don't really know if that is actually fact.  Yet here you are running with it.  And you really expect to be taken seriously.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.135  JohnRussell  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.130    4 weeks ago

There are zero gun stores in Chicago. The vast majority of illegal guns in Chicago are transported here from Indiana and other nearby states that dont have stringent regulations. 

As far as no white liberals protesting black gun violence , you are just wrong. This is a photo of a protest against black on black gun violence that was held in Chicago. There are numerous white faces in the photo. 

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Thousands of protesters calling for an end to gun violence in Chicago partially shut down a major freeway in the city on Saturday, restricting traffic as they demanded lawmakers and members of the community do more to stop the bloodshed.

Initially, demonstrators marched along two of the freeway’s four northbound lanes watched by lines of police. Some carried crosses and others banged drums as they marched, chanting slogans including “Black Lives Matter!” Later, the protesters blocked traffic on all four lanes.

Illinois State Police said agreement was reached with organizers of the protest to allow the demonstrators restricted access to Interstate 94, known as the Dan Ryan Expressway, “to march peacefully for their cause.”

By mid-afternoon there were no arrests, police said.

Chicago leaders have long struggled to bring down its high murder rate. Even though homicides fell 16 percent last year, the third largest U.S. city still ranked No. 1 in murders, with more than the combined total for New York and Los Angeles, the two largest cities. (Reuters)

Activists block major freeway to protest gun violence in Chicago (yahoo.com)
 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.136  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.135    4 weeks ago
Chicago leaders have long struggled to bring down its high murder rate. Even though homicides fell 16 percent last year, the third largest U.S. city still ranked No. 1 in murders, with more than the combined total for New York and Los Angeles, the two largest cities. (Reuters)

Sounds like Chicago's tough laws aren't working too well, since LA and NYC have less stringent laws but lower murder rates.

And liberals call THAT a success story?

Wow.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.137  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.135    4 weeks ago
The vast majority of illegal guns in Chicago are transported here from Indiana and other nearby states that dont have stringent regulations.

Now, read that again and think about how your proposed and existing gun laws are a failure.  The law abiding citizen will adhere to the law, the criminal won't.  

The people can protest all day.  Reality is, it's not going to stop the problem.  Not until they stand up to the PERSON that will gain possession of a firearm and use it.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.138  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.134    4 weeks ago

I beg you, stop saying stupid things to me.  Mars was the manufacturer of Uncle Ben's. They said themselves that the image was of a house slave. 

Just stop. You are embarrassing Newstalkers. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.139  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.138    4 weeks ago
They said themselves that the image was of a house slave. 

What you posted didn't.  You should really read what you link / quote.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.140  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.139    4 weeks ago

What I posted was something that contained Mars saying he was a house slave. 

According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an enslaved African-American “house negro cook” known by the  plantation owner  and  overseers  for the quality of his  rice dishes .

Its a shame this forum has to put up with your endless mistakes. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.141  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.140    4 weeks ago

I quoted what you posted.  Now you're trying to walk it back.  Fucking pathetic.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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9.1.142  JohnRussell  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.141    4 weeks ago

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Texan1211
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9.1.143  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.140    4 weeks ago
According to Mars, Uncle Ben was an enslaved African-American “house negro cook” known by the  plantation owner  and  overseers  for the quality of his  rice dishes .

Which was preceded by this:

From 1946 to 2020, Uncle Ben's products carried the image of an elderly  African-American  man dressed in a  bow tie , which is said to have been based on a  house negro  waiter. [15] [16]  In 2020, Mars told  Ad Age , "We don't know if a real 'Ben' ever existed."

In any case, they are gone now....so, world peace?

 
 
 
charger 383
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9.1.144  charger 383  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.129    4 weeks ago
"that the logo was created around 1890 and was based on Nancy Green, a former slave"
she got a paying job and somehow that is bad?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
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9.1.145  Jack_TX  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.135    4 weeks ago
There are zero gun stores in Chicago.

That doesn't seem to matter, though, does it?  Criminals seem to get their hands on shit no matter what laws we put in place.

I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing there are zero heroin stores in Chicago, too.  

The vast majority of illegal guns in Chicago are transported here from Indiana and other nearby states that dont have stringent regulations. 

Or....they've been there all along. 

As far as no white liberals protesting black gun violence , you are just wrong.

How do they expect that to help?  What do they hope the result of this protest will be?  What new laws are they advocating?

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.146  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.145    4 weeks ago
How do they expect that to help?  What do they hope the result of this protest will be? 

They will feel better about themselves, though.

We shouldn't just dismiss their feelings lest they feel unvalidated.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.147  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.138    4 weeks ago
They said themselves that the image was of a house slave. 

Frank Brown was the man whose image became the face of Uncle Ben’s in 1946, said Caroline Sherman, a spokeswoman for Mars Food, the brand's parent company.

Brown was a maitre d' in a Chicago restaurant. Not much else is known about him, but Sherman said there is an effort to learn more.

The name Uncle Ben came from an African American farmer in Texas who was renowned for his high-quality rice. According to the brand's website, Gordon Harwell and his partner who co-founded the grains line decided to change the name of what was called Converted Brand Rice in the late 1940s to draw in new customers. They came up with the new name while having dinner at a favorite Chicago restaurant.

Just stop. You are embarrassing Newstalkers.

Embarrassing indeed.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.148  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.147    4 weeks ago

I guess that happens when they run a narrative with zero fact.

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1.149  squiggy  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.123    4 weeks ago
You're just wrong.

Stop and frisk would be useful in cities but the flowers at ACLU decided it imposed too much on Blacks. You're willing to trash 2a for the right to roam the streets unchecked at 11pm.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.150  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.148    4 weeks ago

They go were their prejudice leads them.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.151  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.150    4 weeks ago

Yes you do.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.152  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.151    4 weeks ago

And it always leads me right back to you, tessy.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.153  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.152    4 weeks ago

Tess and Tessy are reserved for people who I like.  Please refrain from referring to me as Tess or Tessy.  Save those whistles also.  

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.154  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.95    4 weeks ago

What was the flesh of Salvador Ramos decimated with, Drinker?  If you know do tell us.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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9.1.155  pat wilson  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.147    4 weeks ago

Aunt Jemima. Uncle Ben's. Cream of Wheat.  Mrs. Butterworth. The images associated with those brands not only sold syrup, rice and cereal but perpetuated painful stereotypes that negatively shaped how African Americans and women were perceived for generations.

Amid a national reckoning on racism in the wake of the deaths of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor and other African Americans killed by police, the makers of those products are changing or reviewing their controversial branding.      

Also from your link.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.156  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago
Jack, well there you have it. Your answer to gun safety is no better than my own. Shits and giggles for everybody! And, where I live we don't have any feral hogs that I know of. Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.

I dunno... I think "lock the school doors and put a policeman on guard" is a better answer than "bitch about 'some conservatives' not doing shit that white liberals demand but won't actually work".

A lock door can be be breached or left unlock- oh look, it just happened that way in Uvalde, Texas! And a policeman, literally an officer of the law, has a "h" of an amount of training to be expected to perform the duties of a human "guard dog"!

Jack, you don't get monies, campaigns, elections, and paychecks to solve congress' messes. Those people are lobbied by gun lobbyists on an ongoing basis-to maintain the status quo. In the name of the dead children (mental child abuse by potential threat of gun violence and literal violence?)

And for your "bitch" remark, let me be as plain as I can be. I don't give a darn what you think of people, including me, getting upset and wanting answers from THE PAID PROFESSIONALS and so-called "leaders" sitting on their thumbs in D.C.

Let me repeat, it don't give a darn what you think of people, including me, getting upset and wanting answers from the PAID PROFESSIONALS and so-called "leaders."

Incidentally, a lock door can be be breached or left unlocked-oh Snap! A closed door was opened ajar after being slammed up in front of a mass murderer in Uvalde!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.157  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago
Moreover, the hogs would appreciate it if you just trapped them and not decimate them for sport or disposal.
And release them where, exactly?  Haven't thought that through, have you?

Why should I decide what to do with captured hogs? Why? It's a given that you have thought it through seeing that you express some 'big-time' understanding and experiences with these beasts? The implication would be that once you 'corralled' and captured you and your handled the lot of them.

So why the "h" would you ask me such a question. It goes to basic conversation between people. But, you appear to think you have something to 'jab' here? You don't, Jack!

I am not now or ever will be your punching bag! Dig that, Jack!

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.158  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.153    4 weeks ago
Tess and Tessy are reserved for people who I like.

Exactly, that's why I didn't capitalize the T.

Save those whistles also.  

Perhaps only you and the dogs can hear it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.159  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.147    4 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.160  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.154    4 weeks ago
If you know do tell us.

If I knew what that Border Patrol Officer used, I wouldn't have asked you.

Do you still see his Mom as a good Mom?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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9.1.161  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.150    4 weeks ago

And it's hilarious that they expect to be taken seriously.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.162  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.100    4 weeks ago
Out of curiosity, why does it not bother a 'black man' that none of these white liberals ever want to talk about gun control when it's just black kids getting shot?  Black men are 20 times more likely to die from gun violence than white men are, yet you only seem to care about whatever is on the standard white liberal script. Why is that? 

Well Jack, it would seem it is a matter of priorities. There is only so many 'battles' and 'fronts' that can be properly managed by 'coordinators' vying for a spot on the gun SAFETY "to do" list.

If we can just get conservatives onboard to aid in the clearing of the table of gun SAFETY proposals, throwing out bad and weak proposals while advancing and accepting the 'better' ones, more and other associated gun SAFETY matters potentially can be placed on the table.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
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9.1.163  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  pat wilson @9.1.155    4 weeks ago
Also from your link.

Yes, nothing wrong with repeating what we know.  Good marketing for Mars Inc.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.164  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.159    4 weeks ago

I never tire of your repetition, your use of a term like human decency brings a smile to my face.  Thanks.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.165  igknorantzrulz  replied to  CB @9.1.157    4 weeks ago

Sometimes Jack seems like he needs to reintroduce himself to a piece of refractive type material. Imagine that image, where Jack meets himself, cause at times, rather apparent, he does not know....

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.166  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.161    4 weeks ago
"And it's hilarious that they expect to be taken seriously."

It is hilarious you all expect us to take you seriously.

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.167  CB   replied to  Sparty On @9.1.102    4 weeks ago

256   A perfect "set-up" and dunk.  Trying to exploit black violence as a means to deflect away from the news of the day.  It is telling that conservatives won't fix what is broken and encompassing the nation on every side, while 'longing' to make Black Lives Matter.

Here is an idea, why don't you get in contact with BLM?! They would surely be interested in your care and concern. /s

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.168  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.167    4 weeks ago

BLM?

The group whose leaders enriched themselves?

Sterling example, lol

 
 
 
CB
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9.1.169  CB   replied to  Sparty On @9.1.105    4 weeks ago
We’ve had hardened access and armed security on campus for decades.

Wow. All that "hardening" just for the sake of gun expression. Well, what is clear is this. When white male conservatives want to make something happen they get up off their butts and do something. Evidently, conservatives don't want gun expression in this country to be stifled. That is plain and clear.

 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
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9.1.170  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.163    4 weeks ago
Good marketing for Mars Inc.

yea, but have you heard, about the herd of women, on Venus, cause with envy not, do women view all "endowed" with a penis, unless a Flytrap, in the woven webbs of deceit with No Returns,   

without a receipt 

of knowledge, do many profess their lack there of, for understanding the full context without opening the book, is a novel idea, and excuse, many seem to use

to get off the hook

erh, line, and sinker, thrown in 

to the kitchen, like a baby swimmin in bath water,  cause all women are or were , a daughter, and unlike feral hogs,

need not be leading you to a slaughter

house of infamous ill repudiated shrill

voicing , when its time for a kill 

in time, a stitch in swine, sown like a seed from a linked chain of uneventful events

that suddenly were realized, to be immense,

if not for how dense......

 
 
 
Texan1211
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9.1.171  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.169    4 weeks ago

Do other groups of people lack the ability to do the same?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.172  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.169    4 weeks ago
When white male conservatives want to make something happen they get up off their butts and do something.

Maybe others should consider doing the same.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.173  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.157    4 weeks ago
Why should I decide what to do with captured hogs?

Because it was your moronic idea to capture them in the first place. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.174  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.170    4 weeks ago

Clever, original?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.175  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.106    4 weeks ago

Another attempt at changing the discussion. . . .

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.176  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.162    4 weeks ago
Well Jack, it would seem it is a matter of priorities.

So black kids are not a priority?  That's disappointing.  I was hoping black lives mattered.

There is only so many 'battles' and 'fronts' that can be properly managed by 'coordinators' vying for a spot on the gun SAFETY "to do" list.

One would think one of those "fronts" would be located somewhere in the vicinity of the most common victims.  It's almost as though the real goal of all this is simply to fight with white conservatives.

If we can just get conservatives onboard to aid in the clearing of the table of gun SAFETY proposals,throwing out bad and weak proposals while advancing and accepting the 'better' ones, more and other associated gun SAFETY matters potentially can be placed on the table.

Which one is your favorite?  

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.177  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.173    4 weeks ago

Maybe someone thinks feral hogs are white conservative males?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.178  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.169    4 weeks ago
Wow. All that "hardening" just for the sake of gun expression.

Or... more accurately... all that hardening for the sake of protecting our kids.

Well, what is clear is this. When white male conservatives want to make something happen they get up off their butts and do something.

That might explain the income and wealth gap.

Evidently, conservatives don't want gun expression in this country to be stifled. That is plain and clear.

Evidently, liberals don't want our children to be protected by even a minimum level of security.

We all lock our cars.  We all lock our homes.  We all lock our offices.  We lock anything if there is something of value inside. 

But let's certainly not lock our schools. *eyeroll*

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.179  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.107    4 weeks ago

Yeah, now you want to talk about 'black live matters'? Go figure. Where are these "discussions" of yours when the subject is not guns?  BTW, get congressional republicans to aid, not do it all, in fixing the gun 'dilemma' in our country and Chicago has the potential to 'heal' itself!

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.181  Jack_TX  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.177    4 weeks ago
Maybe someone thinks feral hogs are white conservative males?

Maybe we could convince them that feral hogs are Trump voters.   

We'll have an AR-15 mandate by Friday.  (I don't own one, BTW)

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.182  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.109    4 weeks ago
Every society locks and guards what it values.  The same silly liberals who don't want to lock the school doors go home and lock their own doors every night.  If locking the door of their home doesn't cause some sort of trauma, why would locking the school door?  It's just silly.

Oh please, so you want to lock public access to schools, because conservatives 'value' them?  Oh please. Anything for a gun status quo, eh?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.183  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.179    4 weeks ago
Yeah, now you want to talk about 'black live matters'? Go figure.

Always.

Where are these "discussions" of yours when the subject is not guns?

We've had extensive discussions on the topic.  You just don't remember.

  BTW, get congressional republicans to aid, not do it all, in fixing the gun 'dilemma' in our country and Chicago has the potential to 'heal' itself!

What would you like Congress to do?  

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.184  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.182    4 weeks ago
Oh please, so you want to lock public access to schools, because conservatives 'value' them?

No. Because all of us should value the children inside them.  Even the ones you don't think are a priority.

  Oh please. Anything for a gun status quo, eh?

How would you like to see that status quo changed, CB?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.185  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.182    4 weeks ago

Do you really believe it is smart to allow access to schools to anyone?

That doesn't sound like a sane idea!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.186  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.147    4 weeks ago

Mars, the parent company of Uncle Ben's Rice said the character previously  depicted on the box was that of an enslaved house negro. 

What is in it for you to object to what the company says? 

Why is it important to you to dispute whether or not the image is an offensive stereotype? 

Embarrassing again. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
9.1.187  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.174    4 weeks ago
Clever, original?

originally plagiarized, from myself worthlessness, yet, i can not. As i write wrong right off the cuff till most have had more than enuff, and i like to over stuff getting some in a huff, over stuff,  i wrote off    on a taxing list   that runaways often take off of   till found is grounds, that merit a plane and simple take off of my takeoffs of plain and simple runaways taking off      their closed minds   in a hope to find and take the wait bearing pol    supporting an argumeant for US           out of US. A novel idea, a lightbulb did once have, B 4 it burnt out due to wait it could not bear, any longer, as children and a dolts all die,  sooner or later, and certain factors decide sooner, or later, than say natural causes. Natural Causes ,as in massive amounts of cash, Nsaturally Cause many pols to not support N E modification of gun laws, and as they slip that in to legislation, they are slid out and under the door, like male, too macho to m,ake the slightest change on this slope so slippery, as they believe it could snowball, like a chance in Hell, cause m,any buy these Chances, yet , none ever win with that ticket, and the Ticketmasters selling this Chance to so many unwilling to take, that Chance, even though the Community Chests ache consistently, and until one takes that Chance, and a friend, family member, or themselves are directly affected, the same sellers of the Slippery Slope will continue to marry these cause and effects , and cause the lobbyist supported pols to not redirect, the misinformation will continue to snowball, cause not a chance in hell, till we see money influence dwindle, will our country not be robbed of our children and a dolts, as the swindle of manipulation remains, while the manipulated remains, in the non ferrous irony, of the Chains 

that hold US all back

in front of the squad that Fires 

 

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.188  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.186    4 weeks ago
Mars, the parent company of Uncle Ben's Rice said the character previously  depicted on the box was that of an enslaved house negro.

Well, he's gone now, problem solved, world peace to soon follow.

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.189  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @9.1.175    4 weeks ago

Oh look!  Somebody who is so far behind that they think they're relevelant.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
9.1.190  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.186    4 weeks ago
not the image is an offensive stereotype

Really? Offensive? How the fuck would anyone know it depicted a "house slave" if some candy ass didn't get all butt hurt and cry about it? You want fucking CRT taught so, like statues from the past, you choose to get rid of signs and symbols of said history. Doesn't make sense. And this picture

256

has slave written all over it? Seems to me he was one hell of a cook. I guess some folks STILL look for something to be offended about.

FFS

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.191  Texan1211  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.183    4 weeks ago
What would you like Congress to do?  

Why, the ever-present and elusive "SOMETHING", of course.

Why get bogged down in petty details and concrete proposals when you can shout DO SOMETHING?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.192  Texan1211  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.190    4 weeks ago
I guess some folks STILL look for something to be offended about.

It does seem like the pews of The Church of the Perpetually Offended by Something or Other are always full nowadays.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.193  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.183    4 weeks ago
What would you like Congress to do? 

I don't know. Oh wait, I am pretty sure I would like Congress to do: Their jobs to keep the citizenry safe. We're not safe out here as a whole society. We're OVER-SATURATED with guns in the hands of people killing other people like it is some morbid sport.

Now then can conservatives help make the citizenry safe? Gun violence in school is CHILD ABUSE.  We need to start charging officials who neglect the overall safety of the psyches of school children with crimes.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.194  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.193    4 weeks ago
I don't know.

Enough said. Short, sweet, to the point and undoubtedly true.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.195  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.193    4 weeks ago
We need to start charging officials who neglect the overall safety of the psyches of school children with crimes.

Pie-in-the-sky nonsense.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.196  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.120    4 weeks ago

Jack wants us to have a lock-down nation. Put everything under lock and key.  When you enter a theater - lock it down! When you enter a grocery store- lock it down. When you step into a office building. . . lock it down. When you enter. . . well, you get the picture! :)

Didn't conservatives spend the last two years complaining about a lockdown nation. But look at how much freedom they are willing to give up for the sake of a gun, an "inanimate object" as Jeremy Retired calls it.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.197  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.123    4 weeks ago

Black people know bull patty when we hear it, JR. It's a smelly red-herring trick.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.198  CB   replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.135    4 weeks ago

They know it, JR. They want to take the focus off the dead people killed by mass violence that the media brings to our attention. We can argue the merit of what gets news coverage, but this is not the time or place for it. :)

They want to turn the focus off the schools and dead children.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.199  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.193    4 weeks ago
We need to start charging officials who neglect the overall safety of the psyches of school children with crimes.

What does that even mean?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.200  CB   replied to  charger 383 @9.1.144    4 weeks ago

She got 'retired.' It was time. No problem with that, right?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.201  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.160    4 weeks ago

Oh well, I thought you would be able to put up. I see instead a let down. :(   I don't think about Ramos' mom. Why do you?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.202  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @9.1.193    4 weeks ago
We're not safe out here as a whole society. We're OVER-SATURATED with guns in the hands of people killing other people like it is some morbid sport.

So, what your saying is that it's NOT the gun that's the problem, it's the PEOPLE with the gun.  Finally somebody get's it.

Now then can conservatives help make the citizenry safe?

That same question could be ask of liberals.  All we've seen from them is the idiotic "Gun Free Zone" signs.  We see how that's worked.

Additionally, this isn't a conservative vs liberal thing.  It's a society thing.  We stopped paying attention to who is around us and what they are doing.  We don't see the signs that there is something wrong until its too late.  Collectively we need to pull our heads from our 4th point of contact and look around ourselves.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.203  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.172    4 weeks ago

Well, fix gun safety in schools on one of those 'smart and happening' days of conservatives drawing paychecks for sitting on their thumbs in congress.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.204  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.190    4 weeks ago

Whose uncle is "Uncle Ben"?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.205  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.173    4 weeks ago

I am sorry the wording I used was "trap them." You supplied the word, "capture." Is that correct, Jack.

There are possible differences in outcomes for trapping and capturing, Jack. Why do you assume I want to anything from a damn feral hog? Why would you waste time defending stupid commentary?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.206  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.176    4 weeks ago

One would think you, the big shit talker about the problems (feelings and attitudes) of black youth, would not be here defending the gun industry over the death of innocent children. But, one would be a fool, apparently.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Quiet
9.1.207  charger 383  replied to  CB @9.1.200    4 weeks ago

I don't buy those brands anymore.  No problem with that, right?

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
9.1.208  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.204    4 weeks ago
Whose uncle is "Uncle Ben"?

That would be his nieces and nephews. Surprised you didn't know that. Oh well.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.209  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.178    4 weeks ago

We can lock up stores too, but then where would liberty be? What if, we only let in to our 'secure' places those we want to ASSOCIATE? What would be public about private access?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
9.1.210  Snuffy  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.202    4 weeks ago
Additionally, this isn't a conservative vs liberal thing.  It's a society thing.  We stopped paying attention to who is around us and what they are doing.  We don't see the signs that there is something wrong until its too late.  Collectively we need to pull our heads from our 4th point of contact and look around ourselves.

Yes, this.  This is something that gets missed in the back & forth on this board (and I'm afraid in real life too) where people don't want to get involved.  How many people failed this kid in Texas, where this could have been caught and possibly prevented this from happening.. but too many people either didn't want to get involved or were afraid of being labeled...  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.211  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.189    4 weeks ago

Tee hee. Giggle. Jeremy it is ironic that you are currently having a "ponderous" discussion about Uncle Ben rice and you want to complain about relevance?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.212  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.199    4 weeks ago

Nothing to you apparently and interestingly.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
9.1.213  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.192    4 weeks ago

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CB
Professor Principal
9.1.214  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.202    4 weeks ago

Oh, I am clear-headed on this. Just put guns back into their proper place. That is, on a gun spectrum, gun can be used for good and for bad. But something is broken in us and apparently we can't see the sickness ahead of the bloodshed appears. Therefore, realign the placement of the tool (gun), and investigate if sick people will not 'stumble' over guns anyway!

I can agree with you about this too: This liberal/conservative divide is wasting the quality of our lives (we who are living right now in this country). We're conceding a great amount of joy to a great amount of dividing for division sake. We will regret it as we go older each day of this.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.215  CB   replied to  Snuffy @9.1.210    4 weeks ago

I take your. . . point. And it hurts on some level. 18 years old (new adult) kills what he used to be in a violent episodic incident. It just boggles the mind. Snuffy, we did not do anything like this back in the day. And it was not because we did not have the 'machinery.' It just never crossed our minds to get that 'hot' or 'lost.'

Different tack: Do you think any of this sickness in the youth is an 'offshoot' to the liberal/conservative divide that politicians and adults are manufacturing and foisting on the youth? (It is a real concern if so)

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.216  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.201    4 weeks ago
I don't think about Ramos' mom. Why do you?

We had a conversation on the 25th of May.  You thought that his Mom's drug use and his home/school life wasn't relevant to his action.

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
9.1.217  Snuffy  replied to  CB @9.1.215    4 weeks ago
It just boggles the mind. Snuffy, we did not do anything like this back in the day. And it was not because we did not have the 'machinery.' It just never crossed our minds to get that 'hot' or 'lost.'

Back when we were young (if the old and tired brain can remember that far back) our parents and society were much more involved than they are today.  People were out and about,  growing up where I did a child could not get away with much because there was always an adult to either stop/correct you or at a minimum notify the parents of what happened.  We didn't get away with much.  Add to that, there was an expected level of respect for other people that our parents (at least mine did) demanded, I addressed all my parents friends by Mr. / Mrs.  and never by there first names.  I cannot speak for others but I was taught gun safety at a very young age, I knew at age 5 that guns were not toys and that I could not touch.  Only took one session with the switch to convince me that sneaking into the gun cabinet was nothing I wanted to do again.  I think back then we both respected and feared our parents, not so sure that attitude happens much today.

Do you think any of this sickness in the youth is an 'offshoot' to the liberal/conservative divide that politicians and adults are manufacturing and foisting on the youth?

I don't think it helps.  There's too many people shouting at each other with nobody seeming to listen, how are the children supposed to learn when that's all they see.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.218  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.216    4 weeks ago

And nothing has changed my mind on that score.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.219  CB   replied to  Snuffy @9.1.217    4 weeks ago

Snuffy. Emphatically.

I will tell you this. I was talking to someone the other day and it slipped out of my mouth pretty much as I asked you above: "The whole 'world' has gone crazy."  Immediately, I felt like I was becoming an elder complaining about how good we had it as kids when we did not have. . . this. :) 

I think I may have crossed an invisible line of demarcation that day. jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.220  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.218    4 weeks ago

Since you don't believe that his environment had any impact, was it just genetics?

 
 
 
Snuffy
Senior Guide
9.1.221  Snuffy  replied to  CB @9.1.219    4 weeks ago

Don't look now, but  you may have just crossed into "Old Fart Land"...          jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.222  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.186    4 weeks ago
Mars, the parent company of Uncle Ben's Rice said the character previously  depicted on the box was that of an enslaved house negro. 

You said that but not cited it.  

What is in it for you to object to what the company says? 

Accuracy, I cited my previous reference.

Why is it important to you to dispute whether or not the image is an offensive stereotype?

I wrote nothing about the disputing the image, why is it important to you to distort my note?

Embarrassing again. 

I don't feel embarrassed.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.223  JohnRussell  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.222    4 weeks ago

The Uncle Bens and Aunt Jemima characters were dropped from their brands because they were offensive racial stereotypes. The company that owns Uncle Bens specifically said they agreed. 

Why are you trying to cast doubt on that conclusion? 

Its a fair question. 

Are you a black person? If not, its not your place to disagree with the conclusion. 

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
Masters Principal
9.1.224  seeder  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.223    4 weeks ago
The company that owns Uncle Bens specifically said they agreed. 

Well gee. I wonder if the reason was they didn't want a boycott and loss of business if they didn't succumb to the virtue signaling pressure......................you're smarter than that John.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.225  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.223    4 weeks ago
Why are you trying to cast doubt on that conclusion?

The only doubt that I cast was on your assertion (uncited) the image was of a house slave.

Its a fair question. 

It would be had I tried to cast doubt.  Why do you distort what I wrote?  It's a fair question

Are you a black person.

I self identify as white.

If not, its not your place to disagree with the conclusion. 

Again, I didn't.  I disagreed with your assertion.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
9.1.226  JohnRussell  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.224    4 weeks ago

I assume , with great confidence, that you know nothing about the history of black stereotyping in America. 

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.227  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.226    4 weeks ago
I assume , with great confidence

I assume that you're greatly confident about all of your many assumptions.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.228  Tessylo  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.174    4 weeks ago

Only intelligent and witty folks get iggy.  That leaves you out

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.229  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.228    4 weeks ago
Only intelligent and witty folks get iggy.

Iggy Pop, Iggy Azalea,  Iggy and the Stooges or did you mistype Ziggy?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.230  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.193    4 weeks ago
I am pretty sure I would like Congress to do: Their jobs to keep the citizenry safe.

And how will you know if that happens?

We're not safe out here as a whole society. We're OVER-SATURATED with guns in the hands of people killing other people like it is some morbid sport.

Well...math is a real thing, so let's check it out.

There were 19,350 firearm homicides in 2020.  

Compare that to the 700,000 who die from heart disease every year, the 600,000 who die from cancer, the 200,000 who die from accidents/unintentional injuries, the 160,000 who die from strokes, and the 150,000 who die from COPD, and getting shot is the least of your worries.

Now then can conservatives help make the citizenry safe?

Unless they ban junk food and mandate exercise, it doesn't look promising.

Gun violence in school is CHILD ABUSE. 

Then maybe we should lock the doors.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.231  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.206    4 weeks ago
One would think you, the big shit talker about the problems (feelings and attitudes) of black youth,

Well I happen to think they're worthy of being a "priority".  I'm alone in that view, apparently.

would not be here defending the gun industry over the death of innocent children.

Quote me doing so.  Or are you guessing again?

But, one would be a fool, apparently.

You can stop at any time.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.232  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.228    4 weeks ago
Only intelligent and witty folks get iggy. 

Did you mean gettin' Jiggy wit it ?

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.233  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.209    4 weeks ago
We can lock up stores too, but then where would liberty be?

Do students enter and leave a school the way customers enter and leave a store?  Do you normally stay at a store from 8:30-3:00?

What if, we only let in to our 'secure' places those we want to ASSOCIATE? What would be public about private access?

You mean like we only allow ticketed passengers into the boarding area of an airport?  Or how we have security checkpoints going into jury duty?  

Your objections to simple shit like "lock the door" are insane. 

They are also a great example of why we never get anywhere with gun control.  By FAR the most important thing to you about this issue is fighting with people you believe to be your enemies. 

You are unwilling to accept the simplest and most obvious suggestions, while offering none of your own.  

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.234  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.223    4 weeks ago

If you want to talk offensive, I find putting any picture of a nice Black woman on a bottle containing:

  • CORN SYRUP,
  • HIGH FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP
  • WATER
  • CELLULOSE GUM
  • CARAMEL COLOR
  • SALT
  • NATURAL AND ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR
  • SODIUM BENZOATE AND SORBIC ACID
  • SODIUM HEXAMETAPHOSPHAT

for people to eat on pancakes, very offensive.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.235  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.230    4 weeks ago
Compare that to the 700,000 who die from heart disease every year, the 600,000 who die from cancer, the 200,000 who die from accidents/unintentional injuries, the 160,000 who die from strokes, and the 150,000 who die from COPD, and getting shot is the least of your worries.

Really?  

Self induced heart disease and obesity compared to the sudden random

attack from some disgruntled stranger with a gun?

C'mon Jack.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.236  Split Personality  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.234    4 weeks ago

What if the bottle is just natural honey?

How about Diana Hunter? Doesn't she have the right to make $$

selling Honey Bunches of Oats?

I am not offended by her or for her.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.237  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.236    4 weeks ago

I love natural honey and the Honey Bunches of Oats lady.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.238  CB   replied to  Snuffy @9.1.221    4 weeks ago

jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.239  CB   replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.224    4 weeks ago

Could be, you are correct. But then, some conservatives don't like it when their motives are put to the mention, hmmm?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.240  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.230    4 weeks ago

Compare gun violence in schools. Any more than zero gun violence cases is one too many. We as a nation used to accept and agree to that type of standard. What happened to you? Apathy is child abuse.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.241  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.231    4 weeks ago

And you can stop with your pretense of concern for black youth while covering for gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers who do not give one iota about school shootings. A, any, responsible America would express concern - you and yours "present" with apathy.

It's pathetic really. And yes, it SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT WHAT some CONSERVATIVES VALUE! r

Remember Columbine!   Remember Sandy Hook!    Remember Marjory Stoneman Douglas!

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.242  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.233    4 weeks ago
Do students enter and leave a school the way customers enter and leave a store?  Do you normally stay at a store from 8:30-3:00?

Do mass shooters tend to make 'shift work' out of their outings? I'll answer that. "No!"  Try again, Jack.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.243  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.233    4 weeks ago
You mean like we only allow ticketed passengers into the boarding area of an airport?  Or how we have security checkpoints going into jury duty?  

So now elementary and other schools are now to be considered and treated like high-risk areas for infiltration by 'terrorists'? Just so we can keep over-saturation of guns afloat?

By the way, some conservatives mock 'gun-free zones' - and further, if you want gun-free zones to proliferate why not just vouch and preach for gun safety instead. Keep the 'zones' as you have then now or even more 'relaxed' eventually?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.244  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.243    4 weeks ago
By the way, some conservatives mock 'gun-free zones'

They are just silly, gun free zones work as well as drug free zones.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.245  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.233    4 weeks ago
They are also a great example of why we never get anywhere with gun control.  By FAR the most important thing to you about this issue is fighting with people you believe to be your enemies.  You are unwilling to accept the simplest and most obvious suggestions, while offering none of your own.  

In  a comment above this, I propose if you like airports and court building and want schools to have "security checkpoints" to make them "gun free zones" that it will be redundant in the case of schools (where children are). Schools are already gun-free zones.

What is needed is gun safety policies. Oh wait those policies and laws come out of legislatures. Those people gun lobbyists are paying monies to sit on their thumbs and 'spin' while schools intermittently and incrementally 'burn.'

That  Uvalde Texas school likely will be razed to the ground now.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.246  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.243    4 weeks ago
Just so we can keep over-saturation of guns afloat?

If over-saturated, wouldn't they sink?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.247  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.239    4 weeks ago
some conservatives don't like it when their motives are put to the mention

Put to the mention?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.248  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.246    4 weeks ago

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CB
Professor Principal
9.1.249  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.247    4 weeks ago

Grow up; it's late in the 'day' for some of us. Put away childish things. We have young(er) people who need our collective wisdom imparted to them- not clownishness.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.250  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.249    4 weeks ago

I thought that you were on the West Coast, it's early there.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.251  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.235    4 weeks ago
Really?  

Self induced heart disease and obesity compared to the sudden random

attack from some disgruntled stranger with a gun?

C'mon Jack.

You imagine 19,000 gun homicides are random?  Perpetrated by strangers?  What?  No you don't.  You're way smarter than that.

The point here was to illustrate how small the gun homicide number is in relationship to the overall US population and other causes of death.  If all factors were actually random (which we all know they're not), you have less than a 1 in 17,000 chance of being shot to death in any given year... assuming we base the numbers on 2020, which was 35% worse than 2019.

The idea that "we're not safe out here as a whole society" because of gun violence is utterly idiotic to anybody with a remote connection to reality.  

But while we're on the "random" issue, we all know they're NOT random.  We all know most (62%) of them happen to black people in black neighborhoods and do not involve rifles, semi-automatic or otherwise.

But according to ol' CB here, black kids getting shot is "not a priority".  What the actual fuck?  I still can't believe he said that.  What looking glass have we fallen through, Alice? 

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.252  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.240    4 weeks ago
Compare gun violence in schools. Any more than zero gun violence cases is one too many.

And yet you're not willing to even lock the door, because "some conservatives" suggested it.  

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.253  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.250    4 weeks ago

Okay, I am going to drop you in three, two, one. . .  .

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.254  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.253    4 weeks ago

I'm sorry, NT just won't be the same for me.

 
 
 
Split Personality
Professor Principal
9.1.255  Split Personality  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.251    4 weeks ago

How many black people were involved in Uvalde? jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

19 children and 2 adults had their rights violated suddenly by a complete stranger.

Over the weekend it was several graduation celebrations.

Today another stranger with a rifle in a medical office in Tulsa.

I'm not CB, nor is my name Alice.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.256  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.252    4 weeks ago

Has nothing to do with conservativessuggesting it. I don't even care any longer to suggest anything to conservatives about it. I will let you in on something. Since 2020 apathy towards COVID-19 and mask, Sandy Hook and Parkland, Trump acceptance on the 'far right'- generally I have accepted that conservatives have left me (and mine) open to getting killed in a public setting or through apathy about germ 'warfare.'

Call it fatalistic on my part; but the conclusion is clear: Some conservatives WILL get more and more of US killed than once thought.

As to your 'lock door' suggestion. In Uvalde, it is being said the teacher slammed a door that was intended to lock; it did not. Now What the "h"? Do you know how surreal it is to know what is supposed to happen in a safety situation and then you see the villain coming in through the 'locked door'?!!!

Shit happens. "Touched" people should not have guns to 'stumble' across in the first place, Jack.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.257  CB   replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.254    4 weeks ago

Zero. Good bye, Drinker'.

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.258  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.241    4 weeks ago
And you can stop with your pretense of concern for black youth

I very obviously prioritize them more than you do.

while covering for gun lobbyists and gun manufacturers who do not give one iota about school shootings.

Still can't quote me doing anything like that, can you?  You seem to have increasing difficulty separating reality (what has actually been posted) from imagination (what you think has been posted).  

Do mass shooters tend to make 'shift work' out of their outings? I'll answer that. "No!"  Try again, Jack.

School shooters tend to work during school hours.  I can't believe I have to point that out to an adult human.

So now elementary and other schools are now to be considered and treated like high-risk areas for infiltration by 'terrorists'? Just so we can keep over-saturation of guns afloat?

You know you're right... we should just let anybody in there.  I'm sure no pedophiles or human traffickers would bother a school......  *eyeroll*

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.259  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  CB @9.1.257    4 weeks ago

Thanks for the memory
Of rainy afternoons, swingy Harlem tunes
Motor trips and burning lips and burning toast and prunes
How lovely it was
Thanks for the memory
Of candlelight and wine, castles on the Rhine
The Parthenon, and moments on the Hudson River line
How lovely it was
Many's the time that we feasted
And many's the time that we fasted
Oh well, it was swell while it lasted
We did have fun, and no harm done
So thanks for the memory
Of crap games on the floor, nights in Singapore
You might have been a headache, but you never were a bore
I thank you so much
Thanks for the memory
Of China's funny walls, transatlantic calls
That weekend at Niagara when we hardly saw the falls
How lovely that was
Thanks for the memory
Of lunch from twelve to four, sunburn at the shore
That pair of gay pajamas that you bought and never wore
Say, by the way, what did happen to those pajamas?
Letters with sweet little secrets
That couldn't be put in a day wire
Too bad it all had to go haywire
That's life, I guess, I love your dress
Do you? Thanks for the memory
Of faults that you forgave, rainbows on a wave
And stockings in the basin when a fellow needs a shave
I thank you so much
Thanks for the memory
Of Gardens at Versailles, and beef and kidney pie
The night you worked and then came home with lipstick on your tie
How lovely that was
Thanks for the memory
Of lingerie with lace, and Pilsner by the case
And how I jumped the day you trumped my one and only ace
How lovely that was
We said goodbye with a highball
And I got as high as a steeple
But we were intelligent people
No tears, no fuss, hooray for us
Strictly entre nous, darling, how are you?
And how are all those little dreams that never did come true?
Awfully glad I met you, cheerio, tootle-oo
Thank you, thank you

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.260  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.245    4 weeks ago
In  a comment above this, I propose if you like airports and court building and want schools to have "security checkpoints" to make them "gun free zones" that it will be redundant in the case of schools (where children are). Schools are already gun-free zones.

*sigh*

We put security doors on the school so people wanting to violate the gun free zone can't get in.   Kinda like your home is a "burglar free zone", but you lock your doors in case the burglar doesn't want to cooperate.  See how this works?

What is needed is gun safety policies.

Such as?  Still waiting on even a single suggestion.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
9.1.261  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.259    4 weeks ago

Clever, Original?

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.262  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.261    4 weeks ago

No, I wish.  The composer’s were

Ralph Rainger and Leo Robin.
 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.263  Jack_TX  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.255    4 weeks ago
How many black people were involved in Uvalde?

None.   Which is why liberals everywhere are demanding action. 

Odd how they don't ever seem to have anything to say when 60 people/month (majority of them black) are shot to death in LA County alone.  

I'm not CB, nor is my name Alice.

Well if you jump in the middle of a conversation between two people, you should be brought up to speed.  If I really have to explain the Alice metaphor, well...

 
 
 
Jack_TX
Senior Quiet
9.1.264  Jack_TX  replied to  CB @9.1.256    4 weeks ago
Has nothing to do with conservatives suggesting it.

You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical after you've spent 50 posts ranting about how terrible conservatives are and rejecting a clear common sense action we can take.

I will let you in on something. Since 2020 apathy towards COVID-19 and mask, Sandy Hook and Parkland, Trump acceptance on the 'far right'- generally I have accepted that conservatives have left me (and mine) open to getting killed in a public setting or through apathy about germ 'warfare.' Call it fatalistic on my part; but the conclusion is clear: Some conservatives WILL get more and more of US killed than once thought.

You're not ever going to have a risk-free life.  You can have a free life, with risks.... or you can have an unfree life...also with risks.  If you're concerned about the germs, it sounds like you don't like being around those people anyway.

As to your 'lock door' suggestion. In Uvalde, it is being said the teacher slammed a door that was intended to lock; it did not.

It's tough to say, because it looks like we've got a massive cover up going on in Uvalde.  The results of the investigations will be VERY interesting.  

Shit happens. "Touched" people should not have guns to 'stumble' across in the first place, Jack.

It does.  And the sad reality is that we now live in a time where we have to figure out how to make shit happen less often.  

Putting safety doors on every school, and putting a trained, armed professional guard (like a police officer) on every campus does not by itself solve the problem, but it is something we can actually achieve that will definitely help.  It is possible to lock the doors. 

It is not possible to take away all the "assault rifles", even if we could get such a law passed.  If some miracle occurred and you did take away all the assault rifles, you can't take away all the pistols...which are easier to conceal and can be fired two at a time. 

There are 400 million firearms in the US.  You cannot control 400 million of anything....especially when the people who own the are not likely to cooperate.  Trying to restrict the guns is like trying to put the water back in the balloon after it's already burst. It's never going to work, and we need to move on from that fantasy to some realistic ideas.

 
 
 
Gulliver
Freshman Guide
9.1.265  Gulliver  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @9.1.190    4 weeks ago
Seems to me he was one hell of a cook.

I originally thought, as a child, that the images of Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima were put on the packages to celebrate great cooks or entrepreneurs. But they weren't. They were put there to show black people in the the position of being subservient.

Or even worse (characters from Minstrel Shows):

The Aunt Jemima name and character, appropriated from a vaudeville blackface character by Chris L. Rutt and Charles G. Underwood for their ready-made pancake flour mix at the Pearl Milling Company, is generally considered to be based on the enslaved "Mammy" archetype . [4] [5] The use of the brand name became an important precedent in U.S. trademark law in a 1915 case between the pancake mix company and an unrelated seller of pancake syrup. The brand has been owned by the Quaker Oats Company (now part of PepsiCo ) since 1926. [2]

"Aunt Jemima ain't ya mama!" and the crowd would laugh for days, I'm sure.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.266  Sparty On  replied to  CB @9.1.167    4 weeks ago

Here an idea, testify for all the black kids that are murdered every week, every year in our big cities as hard as you press the ones that are murdered in the random crisis you like to exploit.

Shame on you CB.    You are better than that.

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.267  Sparty On  replied to  CB @9.1.169    4 weeks ago

Lol, gun expression?

Explain that one to all the black kids, killing other black kids with illegally owned guns.     Then you’ll be cooking with gas.

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.268  Texan1211  replied to  Gulliver @9.1.265    4 weeks ago

In my 63 plus years on the planet, I have yet to meet in person anyone who gave a shit about what was on the box of rice or bottle of syrup.

And when I do, I will disassociate myself as quickly as possible because I just don't have the time nor patience for such crap.

 
 
 
Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.269  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Gulliver @9.1.265    4 weeks ago

How much market share did they lose when they took the racist images of the packaging?  Or did more non-racists start using these two products to make up the difference?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.270  CB   replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.183    4 weeks ago

I don't know about the "extensive part" but I do remember the discussion(s). It seemed to revolve around a shooting then to, yes or no?

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.271  CB   replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.202    4 weeks ago
what your saying is that it's NOT the gun that's the problem, it's the PEOPLE with the gun.  Finally somebody get's it.

When guns go around menacing people without someone to pull the triggers, we will all be in trouble. Bigly.

 
 
 
CB
Professor Principal
9.1.272  CB   replied to  charger 383 @9.1.207    4 weeks ago

Me neither. I grew out of them years ahead of the complain/resolution. :)

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.273  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.271    4 weeks ago
When guns go around menacing people without someone to pull the triggers, we will all be in trouble. Bigly.

Which is why so many people need to be reminded that a gun is an inanimate object, completely harmless without a human being being involved.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.274  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.99    4 weeks ago

Who says and what makes you think they are tolerated?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.275  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  GregTx @9.1.89    4 weeks ago

There's already plenty of them there.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.276  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.66    4 weeks ago

Actually, it was about 6 months.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.277  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  GregTx @9.1.72    4 weeks ago

If you are carrying a .460 Weatherby Magnum, just one for any of the above.jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.278  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Sparty On @9.1.102    4 weeks ago

Especially at election time.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.279  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.123    4 weeks ago

Actually, he is spot on.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.280  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JohnRussell @9.1.135    4 weeks ago

Looks to me like a white liberal apologist parade. Did you attend?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.281  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Drinker of the Wry @9.1.199    4 weeks ago

I doubt he even knows. Must have sounded good to him though.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.282  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.276    4 weeks ago

Wow!  A couple hogs a year and nobody in your family is starving.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.283  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.274    4 weeks ago

It's not an unusual assumption that when they're considered a pest and there are so many who have assault weapons and are probably itching to use them that they're not already wiped out.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.284  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.279    4 weeks ago

No, he is never 'spot on'.  He thinks he is.  But he's not.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.285  Tessylo  replied to  igknorantzrulz @9.1.261    4 weeks ago

"Clever, Original?"

No, he's neither.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
PhD Guide
9.1.286  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  CB @9.1.271    4 weeks ago
When guns go around menacing people without someone to pull the triggers

If you listen to some of these anti-gun people, you'd think that is exactly what is happening.  This is why I mention that a firearm is an inanimate object that needs a person to handle it to operate.  They don't go off by themselves, they don't go off when dropped and they don't have mind control powers to make people pick them up.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.287  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.255    4 weeks ago

The agnorance is palpable from the gun lovers.  Those who love guns over people and children.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.288  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.286    4 weeks ago

Gee how profound.  

jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.289  Tessylo  replied to  Split Personality @9.1.235    4 weeks ago
"Really?  

Self induced heart disease and obesity compared to the sudden random

attack from some disgruntled stranger with a gun?

C'mon Jack."

All these moronic comparisons make no goddamned sense.  As much sense as defining what an assault weapon or whatever the fuck is.  Innocent people are still dead for no reason.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.290  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.283    4 weeks ago

As has been said previously, they are prolific breeders on the order of rabbits, and they are particularly aggressive and vicious when full grown.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.291  Tessylo  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.251    4 weeks ago
"But while we're on the "random" issue, we all know they're NOT random.  We all know most (62%) of them happen to black people in black neighborhoods and do not involve rifles, semi-automatic or otherwise."

There's that damned dog whistle.  All most of you seem to have.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.292  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.290    4 weeks ago

Well, okay, then maybe you need to use machine guns. 

 
 
 
Sparty On
Professor Principal
9.1.293  Sparty On  replied to  Jack_TX @9.1.264    4 weeks ago

Very well put Tex, very well.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.294  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.292    4 weeks ago

Nope, machine guns are illegal...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
Professor Quiet
9.1.295  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.284    4 weeks ago

I will cheerfully take his spot ons over anything you have to offer any day!

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.296  Tessylo  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.295    4 weeks ago

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Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.1.297  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @9.1.286    4 weeks ago

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Drinker of the Wry
Freshman Principal
9.1.298  Drinker of the Wry  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.297    4 weeks ago
when we disagree

We?  Are you part of a team or playing multiple roles here?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
Professor Principal
9.1.299  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @9.1.294    4 weeks ago

Well, napalm and flamethrowers will start wildfires, and I suppose hand grenades are illegal as well, so what are their natural predators?  wolves?

 
 
 
Texan1211
Professor Principal
9.1.300  Texan1211  replied to  CB @9.1.206    4 weeks ago
One would think you, the big shit talker about the problems (feelings and attitudes) of black youth, would not be here defending the gun industry over the death of innocent children. But, one would be a fool, apparently.

One would think you, who, makes everything about race, would have a scintilla of caring about securing sch