What will it take for Democrats to Finally disown Platner?
NAZI tattoo? Acceptable.
Spreading conspiracy theories about Jews?=Acceptable
Admitting he joined the Army because he wanted to kill people= Acceptable!
Admitting he wants to rape men who enter his house? =Acceptable!
Posting about how he wanted wounded American soldiers to die? =Acceptable!
Training domestic terrorists to use guns?= Acceptable
Hanging out sites called havens for child predators?=Acceptable
Cheating on his fiancée/wife?=Acceptable
Mistreating/abusing women? Acceptable
Calling the Virgin Mary a skank? Acceptable
So what could finally make progressives turn on Platner?
Saying something mildly critical or Islam? Opposing abortion at some point before birth? Losing to Collins in polling?
Those are the only things I can think of that would cause progressives to turn on him. But if they do, expect a lot of his defenders to suddenly claim they were against these things and never defended him.
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I think another test will be coming up soon....
Though at the end of the day, the only actual sin he could commit that would cause him to be dropped, like Biden, is to fall behind in the polling. As we've seen, pretty much everything else you can imagine is fine.
when will maga republicans finally denounce and demand the removal of white supremacists, fascists, and xenophobes from the GOP?
Never, that's their base.
...or to disown their own corrupt convicted felon President. I really couldn't give a fuck about Platner, he's such a total side note. But let's face it, that's the best these numbskull rightwing conservative losers can do right now so they're shredding it with their teeth with all the gusto of a ferocious poodle with the IQ of 1.
"You get that Platner! Yeah, good girl, you show that Platner who's boss!"
And that says it all.
You wouldn't either if it didn't mean possible control of the Senate so let's not pretend like this is anything other than political bullshit games.
Platners problem is that there are Democrats that will stay home if they think he is guilty. Trump didnt have that problem. They would vote for Trump if he admitted on tape that he grabbed strange women by the pussy.
Who exactly are you speaking of. You seem to know some.
When (if) you ever do, specify why they re what you think they are? Only facts are allowed, not wet dreams.
Come, come now, Platner the demeaner of women with the Nazi tattoo was the choice of Maine's democrats. He defeated other dems to win the primary.
Now the democratic party is pulling the plug on him. Was it because of what he was? NO! It's because he may not win at this point.
Down goes Platner ... the same way Biden went down.
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What the heck does that mean? LOL. You cant cut it.
That means I want her to come on and explain why you get to tell people to "put a sock in it."
Oh.
Hey Vic, if some woman accused Trump of rape would you end your support for him? How about if he is on audio tape saying he likes to grab women's hooha because he's a star.
I don't judge anyone on the basis of an accusation.
How about if he is on audio tape saying he likes to grab women's hooha because he's a star.
Was it a private conversation?
Sounds like you have special rules for special people.
Oh ...
If you say so. He then excused it at the Carroll case deposition when he told her attorney that stars have been doing it for a million years. They played the video of the deposition at his trial and that is likely a reason he lost.
Face it, there is no defense for him, but then again people like you dont need one.
She be rockin that Mara-Lago look !
No John. He lost because it was a Trump hating NYC jury with a Trump hating judge.
Do you remember Carroll's evidence? She couldn't remember exactly when, she was wearing an outfit that hadn't been designed yet, but she told somebody about it. The City of New York even had to alter the statute of limitations just for that one case.
Face it,
Face it, that was lawfare at its worst.
Actually, it's the feminist look!
Instead of complaining, why not flag it?
Trump lost because Carroll had two witnesses , and they played the deposition tape. He's so fffing stupid he bragged that people like him have been getting away with sexual assault for a million years.
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I only call white supremacists white supremacists.
He can brag that he is irresistible too, that doesn't make it so nor does that ever amount to evidence.
I'm not talking about you. Start looking above with post 1.1
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E Jean Carroll accused him of doing exactly what he said stars like him are allowed to do.
That is not evidence.
That was malicious prosecution.
It is also not the topic.
You call Democrats "communist" dont you? I dont think anyone has tried to prevent you from doing that.
She accused him of grabbing her by the pussy (in so many words) which is exactly the act that he told her lawyer people like him have been doing for a million years.
You could say he confessed.
John, there are democrats who proudly call themselves Socialists and Communists.
What should I call them?
List of socialist members of the United States Congress - Wikipedia
there are a few that call themselves socialists. i havent heard any call themselves communists.
The leaders of BLM did, before they absconded with all the money.
BLM co-founder describes herself as 'trained Marxist'
She needed evidence. She didn't have any.
Well something convinced someone of a guilty finding, no ?
when will maga, when will maga, when will maga,
Just answer the damn question instead of deflecting.
Are you that enamored of "Dirty Diaper Donnie" and his GOON SQUAD?
Getting Graham Platner off the ticket would be easy. Just plant a story that Platner thought Michelle Obama is a man. Any number of progressives know how to plant a story like that.
You do understand that Republicans want Platner on the ballot? Platner is a gift for Susan Collins.
Agreed.
There is no sense in our political parties. I would love to see the end of political parties, but they have existed in different forms since our inception and will continue indefinitely. So the best path forward is to have more than two parties.
Yes.
Agreed. And you're right, technically what the MAGA ferocious poodle with the IQ of 1 is attempting to shred is the Democratic party, not Platner. I don't really think any of them care at all about Platner and what he supposedly did, they just see him as a chink in Democrats armor. And before some hilariously confused, disoriented and dishonest rightwing conservative hypocrite accuses me of being racist, I mean a "narrow crack or fissure" in their armor.
Made absolutely zero sense
Don't underestimate the value of the 'bipartisan' label to Senate Democrats. Susan Collins hasn't exactly been unreceptive to some Democratic legislation. Collins has earned some loyalty from Senate Democrats. They won't lose that much if Collins wins.
Graham Platner also provides a test for making the mid-term elections about Trump. Will the Biden strategy work this election?
I agree.
Agreed. First we need to dismantle the mechanisms that have given the two parties so much of a stranglehold on our elections already.
IMHO, the number one culprit along those lines is the winner take all electoral system that has emerged in all states but two for Federal elections since the 12th Amendment. This alone discourages third-party voters for fear of "wasting" their vote, and renders it impossible for a third party candidate to ever have a chance to secure 270 electoral votes. We should move toward a more proportional system of electoral representation based at the very least on Congressional Districts. This will go hand in hand with measures to prevent gerrymandering as well.
For the first several federal elections in this country it was possible that the President and Vice-President could be elected from two different political parties based on Article II of the original Constitution. Indeed John Adams (a Federalist) and Thomas Jefferson (a Democratic-Republican) were elected President and Vice-President from 1797-1801. Some technicalities in the election of 1800 led to the ratification of the 12th Amendment in 1804 that changed all that and arguably opened the door to a more binary party-based system over the years. I often wonder, what if our basic electoral system still worked the way it did in the days of Adams/Jefferson (with the 15th, 19th, and 24th Amendments still having been made of course)? Is it possible that the 12th Amendment created more problems than it solved?
As you mentioned before in another thread, we also need to get big money out of the election process. We need to create fair campaign financing rules that don't favor the two party system. Get rid of or set stricter rules on PACs and eliminate super-PACs altogether. The Citizens United ruling which started out as a response to massive union spending on elections has created its own sleeping giant that has ballooned into even more massive union, corporate, and even foreign "investment" in our elections. That needs a revisit and major overhaul.
Last but not least, we need to get the media out of the rabid political ideology selling business and back to reporting the news without the partisan rancor. We need information, not propaganda. This one will take some brain-storming in terms of viable solutions that still support the free exchange of ideas and unbiased delivery of the news. At the very least we can focus on removing partisan influence on the major news organizations.
Where do voters fit into those suggestions? Don't voters have any power?
Instead of educating our youth on political party dogma perhaps we need to focus more attention on the concepts of independence, liberty, and civic duty. We just celebrated the signing of the Declaration of Independence -- not the Declaration of Freedom.
Despite the political fairy tales told by political strategists, the United States is not a land of freedom. That is not what makes the US unique. The United States is a land of independent people governing themselves. Somewhere along the way we've lost sight of what independence and liberty are really about.
Into the area where their vote can count, their voice can be better heard at the ballot box, and they can vote for the representatives they actually want rather than the lesser of two evils?
Is that not a worthy endeavor?
In the current two party dominated/controlled method of selecting our representation, not as much as they should have IMHO. Those "suggestions" are for what we as voters might insist on to reclaim our power.
I agree that this is one of the key problems. An easy remedy, conceptually at least, is (as you noted) to have every district determine its corresponding electoral vote. Simply stated, the winner of the district popular vote gets that district's electoral vote. As for the state, the winner of the state's popular vote get it's 2 electoral votes. No need for human electors and all the bullshit that goes with it. The electoral counts are a simple tally.
How about disallowing ALL campaign contributions. No allowing money to determine votes. We should have a fixed amount of money available for qualified candidates. Just enough for a modest campaign and a campaign that lasts a few months, not years. Easier said than done, but that is the basic idea.
If only. Walter Cronkite!
I would love to hear how we could possibly do this. Right now, the Republicans and the Democrats have pretty much sewn up the candidate selection and election processes into a closed system.
Grass roots? Start from the bottom and work our way up. State amendments processes? Referenda?
maga = morons are governing america
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You partially answered your own question. All of the above. And, while potentially ineffective at least initially, write to our local representatives at the State and Federal level and demand they open up discussion on the types of changes I have outlined in comment 1.1.45. If they fail to respond, do what we can to make that known through local media. If we want change, we need to be the engine for it, do we not?
Just read an article about that pos, new sexual assault allegations have emerged that appear to be credible. He cancelled every july 4th weekend appearance, and a “well placed source” says the shitlicker will drop out of the race this week.
Right after he does that the folks on the left that have been deflecting or supporting him will say they never wanted him to win.
You mean the over two dozen credible allegations of sexual assault against Donald Trump including one he was found liable for in court? Oh, against Platner? Oh, I forgot hypocrites take "allegations" as fact when it's against their opponent but claim they're all lies when there are mountains of them against their dear Leader. Can you get more servile and obsequious?
According to which court?
Probably LOL
Two dozen credible allegations? Name them.
found liable in a kangaroo new york court where he would never get a fair trial on ANY allegation against him.
Corroborated in emails between the victim and her therapist long before shitlicker ever thought of running for the senate.
Carroll had corroboration.
Then we will just have to wait and see which court convicts him, until then, he is presumed innocent based on the rule of law. Correct?
Really? Oh the friend she told 30 years ago that had no idea what she was talking about?
Court conviction has nothing to do with whether he drops out or not, one would think that’d be obvious, but i guess not.
So the rule of law means nothing to you, good to know.
Where did i say that? If you could show me that’d be “good to know.”
He may not have a choice if the democrat party cuts his funding.
Since the 1970s, over 25 women have publicly accused Donald Trump of sexual misconduct, including rape, forcible kissing, and unwanted groping.
Personally, I HOPE he doesn't withdraw!
Winning the WAR to save America is a lot like real war; it is often dirty, brutal, and grotesquely won by vile people.
The REAL issue is saving America from Trump, MAGA LOONS, and uber-rich crooks with their head in Trump's rump.
We all make mistakes; even the most sanctimonious of us are not without imperfections.
Winning is the KEY!
Not pretending that REPUBLICANS are above the Heavens.
And out of all those allegations, how many convictions? Lol
One court case finding him liable for sexual assault, the other women that attempted to press charges were either after the statute of limitations was past or didn't have enough physical evidence to prove Trump assaulted or raped them. You may find that funny, I do not since I despise rapists and sexual predators, though I do also understand that one needs to wait and hear all the facts before jumping to conclusions. However, with the enormous preponderance of accusations against Trump they certainly indicate a lot about Trumps true character.
But, since you're the one who brought it up as an attack on Platner originally, same question to you, "And out of all those allegations, how many convictions?". Funny that it's one less than the guy rightwing conservatives have been running around like a neutered Chihuahua yipping about day and night.
One, out of all those listed, and it was a civil, not a criminal case where the standard for a guilty verdict is much lower. And these cases were in deep blue new york, with an attorney general who ran on getting trump. Speaking of statute of limitations, alvin bragg stretched a misdemeanor into a felony that nobody anywhere, ever had been charged with.
and no, i don’t find anything about rape or sexual assault funny. I do find it funny that some bring up all these cases against trump as if just the allegations prove his guilt. All these cases, brought up all the time and not one criminal conviction.
as far as platner goes, who knows if the woman will press charges or not. The thing about her accusation is that it is corroborated via email with her therapist long before platner ever got into the senate race. That’s why big wig dems are jumping ship and rescinding their support.
Let me help you. Imagine this list applied to a D. Let's say that the only allegations against Platner were those listed by DP.
Tell us all what your opinion of Platner would be then?
Let's face it, they can't. Trump resides in some eternal blind spot for rightwing conservatives. They cannot ever be honest about Trump because then the magic would be gone. It's akin to how cartoon characters can walk on air as long as they don't look down.
As soon as they acknowledge the actual things Trump has done and said and been found guilty of in court and the insurrection he inspired, they fall, so they won't, ever, acknowledge, anything, ever, never , ever ...
Seems that way.
....along with the Supreme Court....ouch.
democrats toss candidates at the slightest implication of impropriety, while maga cowers before a convicted felon ...
They do love their criminals. .
... especially when they're running the gov't.
It looks like they just knifed him in the back.
"Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts) said, “The best path forward is for Graham Platner to step aside as the Democratic nominee and address these serious allegations outside this Senate race.”
The state Democratic Party also called on Platner to leave the race. “We are entrusted with deciding who represents our values and who carries our banner. That responsibility requires judgment, leadership, and a willingness to act when circumstances demand it,” party leaders wrote in a statement."
Top Democrats pull Graham Platner endorsements, call on him to end Maine Senate campaign
What it took Sean, was another accuser to step forward, this woman being a democrat, unlike the previous accuser. The dems won't have much time to get a new candidate rolling. The deadline is July 13th in the state of Maine.
Why do Democrats even bother having primaries anymore? They just replace the voters' choice when he starts losing.
, was another accuser to step forward, this woman being a democrat, unlike the previous accuser.
Yep, you can be a bigoted Nazi who assaults Republican woman, but when the victim is a known progressives that's too much.
The deadline is July 13th in the state of Maine.
If he holds out, which he won't, the same people who are starting to turn on him will be right back in his corner once they think they are stuck with him. He can pull a Clinton and force the party to rally behind him. As we've seen his party will forgive him anything if they think that is in their best interest. Right now he is no doubt negotiating the best deal he can get to withdraw. Soros will make him an even wealthier man than his parents already have.
Sean, I doubt anyone will bother dealing with him. All they need do is declare that they will not fund his campaign. The real problem is finding someone to be their candidate at such a late stage. Will they have another primary? Or will they just coronate a candidate ... again?
The amazing part is that Susan Collins hasn't had to do a thing or say a word.
Isn't this what rightwing conservatives have been calling for and whining about incessantly? Make up your minds!
At least now he'll be available to run as a Republican so that should make all the rightwing white nationalist hyper-masculine incels happy to have another candidate like themselves to support. I certainly thought it was odd such an obvious rightwing conservative was trying to run as a democrat.
He should step aside... Don't you think trump should do the same? I mean he has FAR more accusers than Platner has.
Perhaps it's one of those things where if a guy kills half a dozen people, he's a serial killer to be reviled and hated as one of the worst humans. But if he orders the killing of hundreds of thousands through indiscriminate bombing they're looked at as heroes by some. With just a couple accusations of sexual assault, rightwing conservatives think Platner's the devil. But with over two dozen accusations of sexual assault, Trump is their hero.
Seems like a rational move to me.
I know few men who haven't fallen at some point in their lives. None of us are without issues.
John F. Kennedy, whom I greatly admired, was not without sin. The issue NOW, is to win. Put our heads down and plow into the REPUBLICAN PARTY of Trump loyalists.
At 84.7 years, I can tell you there have been many tales; I wish I pursued.
"Who among us IS without SIN?"
The alternative Democrat may be a perfect angel; however, at this time we need an ARSE KICKER!
Trumps resignation.
Just more proof that everything the dems do depends on Trump. Sad that so many peoples sole existence revolves around him
The sad thing is that alleged "patriots" support a mentally unstable con man, crook, and traitor.
He IS the president, correct? I remember when President Obama was in office and everything he did sent the right wing into a tailspin.....even a tan suit had the GOP in a 6 month meltdown. But trump is in office and you would dearly love for the dems to just, "look the other way" as he fucks everything up... Sorry Pal, not happening, not on my watch.
Care to comment on the subject of the article?
So but but but Trump it is.
Don't forget rapist and pedophile..
I did.
Um, OK, sure
You do realize how fucking insane it is for some to question their political opponent's choice for a lower seat by asking "So where is your line with a candidate? How could you ever support a man like that?" when they themselves continue to actively support and defend an actual convicted felon and admitted sexual predator for the highest office in the land? It's truly mind boggling that anyone could actually write that tripe and say "Ah! This makes sense and doesn't make me look like a massive hypocrite at all! Yeah, that's the ticket!" /s
MAGAs are used to getting their way no matter what. Time to take a stand.
What about the topic, John?
Signed,
White Nationalists.
Cool. Which current Senate nominate trained domestic terrorists to use guns. Or are you just making things up?
The GOP is filled with racist assholes, but the dems have one, (and that's a stretch), and the reich wing is outraged? Wow.
Some names?
John Fitzgerald
Seth Grossman
Arthur Jones
Steve King
Paul Nehlen
Corey Stewart
Shiva Ayyadurai
Edwin Duterte
Russell Walker
These 9 all have ties to white nationalists.... And from the right wing? Silence and lies.
I've heard of one.
Paul Nehlen
He lost a primary for a House Seat about a decade ago. Do you think that is the same as winning a Senate nomination
Shiva Ayyadurai... Of course..
The names screams white nationalist....
Names they were given presumably at birth doesn't dictate where they ended up later in life. Timothy McVeigh had a perfectly normal name, yes?
It makes sense Timothy McVeigh might be a white nationalist.
Do you see why it doesn't make sense for Shiva Ayyadurai?
Never said he was or wasn't. Just making an example that names do not reflect criminality later in life. Gary Ridgway is another example.
Nope.
Lol.
Paul Gosar
Even his own relatives have denounced him, but the Republicans keep electing him.
That's because he's Republican and didn't show anyone his SS tattoo. Although, to be fair the tattoo wouldn't be an issue for them if he was republican, they'd come up with an excuse and never say another word about it other than "Why is the left so obsessed with a stupid tattoo?".
This is the first I have heard of any of them.
What that means is they are a bunch of nobodies
That's a YOU problem.
Seriously? Shiva Ayyadurai?
Do you know anything about him or was that some random name thrown out there and you ignorantly run with it?
What shocks me the most is that he seems to be the best the dems have to offer. How bad can the rest of the dems be if this guy is their choice?
Funny, since you think Trump is a good president... Is he the best the GOP has to offer?
Care to respond to my comment with something relevant to my comment or is but Trump all you have to offer?
So he isn't the president?
He is not the subject of the article
He isn't, there, better?
Then why is he their choice?
For what? He's not my choice for anything.,
I didn't say you
Then why are you asking me?
Since you are commenting on the article I thought you might have an opinion on, you know, the article.
I gave you my opinion, not my problem if you didn't read it.
Let's see how allegations of sexual assault go over....
His future will, of course, now depend on how independents poll. While allegations of mistreating women didn't hurt him in the Democratic primary, if independents now won't support him the progressives will run from him. Biden 2.0 . The only sin is losing....
If the comments here are any indication not only will the left not denounce Platner but they will totally ignore the man and pivot back to Trump.
Hegseth was accused of sexual assault and paid the woman making the allegation. Will you call now for him to resign from the cabinet?
Nope, that's, "different".
That prediction was knocked out of the park.
His defenders are growing more vehement....
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LOL. You want to know why people might still support him. Now you know. When you call for Trumps resignation I will consider your opinion important, lacking that, who cares?
OK, so you don't want to comment on the article other than to deflect.
E. Jean Carol ring any bells? But that's ok when trump does it, right?
Bingo!
So he allegedly broke into a woman's house and had sex with her against her will..
If only there had been some warning, some symbol that told us what kind of person he was....
I assume you are demanding the resignation of Hegseth.
The defense of Platner is staggering.
the entire trump administration is staggering
Still deflecting so you don't have to admit you support his candidacy?
I dont support him or not support him. If putting sexual offenders in offices of power is acceptable, which it is to MAGA, then it should be up to the voters in Maine.
Actually John, I hope Planter decides to stay in the race.
Ah, the true colors come out!
A Democrat accused of forced sex is supposed to quit immediately but Pete Hegseth got a cabinet appointment.
We cannot accept this.
But you will. You'll support him so long as you think he can win.
It isnt up to me, I dont vote in Maine so my opinion doesnt count. If he drops out fine, next man or woman up. If he stays he'll be just like Trump and Hegseth, both of whom you approved of.
A lesser version, which makes the approval of Trump even more despicable and hypocritical.
A lesser version? How can you know that?
Agree, but that doesn't mean you can't have an opinion. And that opinion seems clear.
The real question is how you can NOT know that?
Defending Trump no matter what is irresponsible, irrational, and unpatriotic.
So no answer and a meme, thanks for your reply.
The obvious answer, Greg, is that the evidence of Trump's depravity and wrongdoing is overwhelming. I have posted lists of his wrongdoing for years now. That you refuse to acknowledge the outrageous level of wrongdoing by Trump is quite remarkable. It is laughable. It is pathetic.
I know of no other contemporary politician or candidate who can hold a candle to Trump in terms of wrongdoing, lack of character, irresponsibility, irrationality, arrogance, psychopathy, immorality, poor judgment, lawlessness, vindictiveness, unpresidential demeanor, abuse of power, violation of oath, etc.
If you know of a politician or candidate worse than Trump as I have outlined, then make your case.
I don't know if anyone commenting here is from Maine so I'm not really sure why Trump mycophagists would be posting about Platner every day as if they were going to convince someone not to support Platner. I don't think anyone here does support Platner, at least I haven't read any actual support for him with anyone here saying he's some great guy and they'll be voting for him. Of course, basic morons often have trouble telling the difference between pointing out flaws in an argument and support so it's not surprising that some of the more unintentionally obtuse might get the wrong idea.
be posting about Platner every day as if they were going to convince someone not to support Platner
it must be tough to be a progressive who spent untold hours parroting every talking point they were served, no matter how ridiculous, to justify the nomination and support of a bigot with a Nazi tatoo with a history of abusing women and you find out he probably will withdraw before the election even heats up.
now, for the rest of your life, you’ll have to remember shilling for a woman abusing bigot with a Nazi tatoo because your party demanded it. Tough to find that out about yourself, I imagine.
Now that is a fine example of power projection.
I don't make excuses for Nazi tattoos. Imagine saying that branding your body with a symbol of the most evil part of the most despicable government in human history doesn't matter. Glad I don't have to live with that.
No condemnation of Platner?
And you call others "partisan!"
I live in Texas where the AG was impeached by the GOP for abuse of power, basicly being a dick to his staff, cheating on his wife and cheating the SEC
and he's been reelected several times along with a few other criminals.
Platner would fit right in here because individuality and freedom are held pretty damned high here.
He's automatically a hero for surviving the USMC & the ME and beating his drinking problems.
Just about every Marine I know has expressed similar feelings about the US Army.
the drawback is that Platner did 4 years in the Army after the Corps. That's not uncommon but definitely not a plus down here.
Down here they would have him on a pedestal already for his "plain talk" even if he a Yankee Democrat.
Try reading my comments. I have deemed Platner unfit for the Senate since the inception of his campaign (based on the reporting).
The level of dishonesty that I see in comments from Trump supporters is staggering.
Read my fucking comments, Vic, before leaping to a fiction in an alternate reality.
No, you just focus on a tattoo with no other supporting evidence and build a wild claim about the guy being a Nazi. Not only is that dishonest, it is irrational. There are all sorts of real problems with Platner based on facts. Why would you focus on a tattoo rather than his character?
If you choose not to decide....
Rush - Freewill
That's an ironic whatabout...
Wasn't Hegseth considered unfit for his appointment first because of his "Dominionist" tattoos?
I doubt that.
He was (and remains) unfit because he lacked the senior leadership and government experience required to run the Pentagon, had a poor record leading veteran organizations, and has serious character issue allegations: womanizing, drinking, financial mismanagement, and poor judgment.
Someone did it right here.
He was (and remains) unfit because he lacked the senior leadership and government experience required to run the Pentagon, had a poor record leading veteran organizations, and has serious character issue allegations: womanizing, drinking, financial mismanagement, and poor judgment.
The people who were unfit were the Goddamn DEI hires of Biden and Obama. The previous Defense Secretary was AWOL for 3 days and told nobody that he was in the hospital.
if only Hegseth would do the same
He can't get away with it. HE'S WHITE!
That's right John, Lloyd Austin was a joke.
Like that Gop House rep from NJ that took months off for his mental well being?
Say it ain't so.
That is a pointless rebuttal. No matter what, one can always find 'someone' who says or does something.
Greg made a general comment that Hegseth was generally "considered unfit for his appointment first because of his "Dominionist" tattoos".
Again, I doubt that. It is silly to focus on a tattoo alone. Go by hard facts. That is why I suggested:
This nonsense over tattoos in isolation to all other facts is ridiculous.
Vic, you seem to always greatly exaggerate the bad for anything D and greatly downplay the bad for anything R. That is precisely blind partisanship.
How on Earth can you seriously compare all that Hegseth has done to prior SoDs and conclude that Hegseth is fit to serve?? Hegseth is an amateur playing tough guy. He is an immature, emotional clown like Trump.
No he was considered unfit due to his obvious lack of any experience having only reached O4 in his military career
but especially for an incident where he would not let a woman leave his hotel room, probably drugged her according to the police reports, she said no over and over; Hegseth did his drunken thing.
In walking away from a reporter he said something stupid like "I paid good money to make that go away so, no comment."
It was supposed to be a secret out of court settlement for $50,000 to avoid charges.
Hegseth like Platner denies any wrong doing and all but three GOP Senators believed him.
What about his experience hitting himself in the balls with a skateboard. That takes some skill right there and an obvious plus for all the rightwing conservative incels who think themselves pro-skaters with about the same skills. Perhaps that's the excuse they give their moms about why they're still living in her basement and can't get a girlfriend; they ollied themselves in the nads one too many times.
Mmmmm,
Since U.S. President Donald Trump initially nominated Pete Hegseth as defense secretary, social media posts have claimed Hegseth wears white supremacist, Christian nationalist or Nazi tattoos.
Sure, the difference is one was appointed and the other was elevated by the voters.
How you think that is significant is remarkable.
One can always find someone who has said or written something for any position one can conceive of.
It is quite different to illustrate a major trend (as you implied).
This should be obvious.
and vetted by the US Senate where 47 GOP Senators towed the line.
They are coming around though and are starting to realize that Kash Patel is just a 46 year old frat boy who knows nothing but travel at your expense.
maybe they are waking up.
Which has a much lower threshold as evident in Maine.
Wow
But no denouncing of Platner.
If he leaves the race then they'll deny ever supporting or defending him.
The marching orders seem to be deflect, deflect deflect and until that changes, that's all we are going to see.
They have to wait to see until how the party leadership reacts before they can decide if they are against this.
And if he wins they will still say they didn't support but Maine really must hate Trump.
Swalwell's partner in crime and Ro Khanna have withdrawn their endorsements. The rats are starting to flee the ship and Platner is taking time to "reflect" which means he's done.
It's now safe for Democrats to oppose him so I expect they will finally decide to criticize him.
Possibly, but that means they would have to stop thinking about Trump for a couple minutes.
What else would you expect from the largest Rightwing Conservative Deflection Fulfillment Center? This entire seed is just one massive deflection from rightwing conservatives fat fucking failure in the oval office that is embarrassing the nation daily.
What might they be deflecting from today?
Oh yeah, no wonder those desperate to lick the backside of Trumps ball sack are firing their 'deflector beams' at everything and screaming "Platner! Platner! Platner!" like mentally ill patients recently escaped from an asylum.
You do realize everything does not have to be about Trump, don't you? There can be articles, and even discussions about things that don't involve him.
You do realize it's hard to take conservatives seriously when Trump is literally shitting on America and all his sycophants can do is stare anywhere but at the giant naked Elephant in the room that is washing its ass in our reflecting pool.
So no, I didnt think so.
Bullseye!
Bullshit. A common pattern by contemporary Trump supporters is to invent fantasies about Ds to try to normalize Trump. That is sickening. You should be criticizing Trump, not trying to defend him with dishonesty.
Exactly.
I am a patriotic American who has never knowingly cast a vote for a convicted felon for any office, let alone the office of President. Not a single Trump voter can say the same which is clearly why they're so bitter, bumbling and desperate.
“One of the reasons I didn’t come forward sooner was, the huge moral conflict that I had between supporting his politics, but not supporting him as a person. I just want the truth out there.”
That speaks volumes doesn't it? Lots of pressure on progressives just to accept rape in the name of politics.
Republicans accept rape on a daily basis. They elected an actual rapist, who is now raping the government’s coffers while simultaneously raping the financial health of the citizens. And Republicans just let him jizz on their faces while they scream “thank you sir, may I have another?”
They thought he looked like a man, and they were desperate to present that image
If the country hadn’t lost its collective mind and nominated Donald Trump the first time, I’d be on board calling out Platner. But we are miles beyond that and Trump still enjoys some mind boggling support from the most unpatriotic corners of the country. As such, I couldn’t care less about the character of the guy who might turn the senate. It’s even better that he’s half as much of a degenerate as Trump. Let his name be frantically tossed around by pearl clutching conservative pussies that are too deep in their own cult to recognize the monster hoisted on their shoulders. A vote for Platner is not a cultish obedience move, it’s a how u like us now bitch move.
As such, I couldn’t care less about the character of the guy who might turn the senate
And there we have it…
Demcorats:
Bill Clinton = “ character doesn’t matter”
trump = “ character matters! How dare anyone support trump!”
platner : “character doesn’t matter . We like Nazis who dislike trump”
As always, the only principle to be seen is what’s good for the Democratic Party at the moment…
Add all of those indiscretions up, square it, and then you might be in the ballpark of a single year of the Trump administration. It’s not even close. That you would ignore this glaring fact and run defense for it is disgusting.
Didn't vote for Bill Clinton. First Democrat candidate for President I voted for was John Kerry.
You said it. Character does matter and those supporting Trump reveal theirs is of the lowest caliber to match that of their dear Leader.
As for Platner, I've said before, he doesn't seem like a good person and frankly I hope the party is able to get him out of the race, but it's up to those voters, not me. From what I've read he seems to be a dick, saying shit like black Americans don't tip and other fucked up shit, and while he's leaning into this whole 'recovering' hyper-masculine, anti-feminist schtick, I'm not buying it. I thought he was a Republican plant at first, and from a circumstantial evidence perspective it's hard not to see it, but until I have reason to believe otherwise I'll take him at his word. Not that I'd vote for him even if he's not a Republican plant. He's clearly a macho 'tough guy' that seems to like pushing women around (thus easily mistaken for a hypermasculine MAGAite) and quite possibly, according to the most recent accusation, sexually assaulting them.
And also, it's "Democrats", not "Demcorats", but perhaps that was intentional since the rest of the thoughts expressed were jumbled nonsense as well.
“I made several contributions to the Platner campaign when I thought he was a Nazi who only sexually assaulted conservative women. Is it possible to get a refund now that we know he’s a Nazi who also rapes Democrats?”
...the tiny Trump brigade rushes out to defend him and roll out the red carpet for their naked Emperor.
While his sycophants only need small objects to block the view of the tiny Royal mushroom, they were right not to use their brains.
One of the many mini scandals around the democrats embrace of a pyscho with a Nazi tattoo was the New York Times coverage of the first victims (plural) to come forward before the primary. Go back and read it and it looks like it was authored by the Planter campaign. Here's one of the victims detailing just what NYT reporting looks like when a democrat is accused;
The Times wasn't trying to uncover his abuse of woman, it was trying to minimize it.
It's telling that the very people who have been wrongfully calling Trump a rapist are supporting a candidate with active accusations. We can't forget this tard's anti-semitc comments and Nazi tattoo.
If he holds out for a week, Democrats will love him unconditionally.
Like the governor of Virginia who wore blackface. There was some outrage at first but when he made it clear he wouldn't resign, the democrats fell right back in line.
Your comedy is improving.
I remember that. Didn't care about that, he was a lousy governor
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You thought wrong... Personally I think he's a scumbag just like trump.
What's actually happening is proving you wrong.
That's why I said, "personally".
It's okay. I had assumed rightwing conservatives had the same level of reading comprehension as a high school graduate too, but I've since learned my lesson.
Is that supposed to change anything?
Who is "wrongfully calling Trump a rapist"? He's an accused child rapist, the woman never recanted her accusation and at this point it should carry exactly the same weight as the accuser of Platner, but clearly for those with their heads up Trumps ass, it does not.
Trump is also the only one of the two that has been found guilty and liable for sexual assault. So yes, it is VERY telling when some desperately try and hide their deeeeeeep, possibly carnal affection for a convicted felon and accused pedophile. But you guys go on appeasing your lord and master, I'm sure he truly appreciates it. Perhaps he'll give you guys a sticker if he appoints himself King of America and remembers how much the poorly educated did for him.
It's a scratch & sniff...but I wouldn't really recommend it.
So that means you all should be calling for this rapist to step down. But here you all are defending and deflecting away from him.
Guilty or liable? Do you not know civil court does not find "Guilt"? It also have a lower burden of proof. You need to do some research.
The pedophile part, like much of all your other claims are devoid of any real evidence. But don't let fact get in the way.
Where? Here's what I've said so far in this thread about Platner:
I don't think anyone would characterize that as "defending" Platner unless they've got a few screws loose.
Please do explain how someone can be "liable" for sexual assault but not be guilty of it.
I work in insurance and yes, I know exactly what the word "liable" means. It means you are found responsible for something. Trump was found "responsible" for sexually assaulting E Jean Carrol. Whether you want to play word games and try and weasel out of the context is immaterial and just exposes one for being waaaaay out of their depth in a debate. But it was a valiant, albeit hilarious, attempt.
Talk about stretching out as far as possible to defend and deflect for a convicted felon. But you do you. I don't support Platner in any way, I think he's a scum bag if what's said about him is true. But the cowardly lowlife rightwing conservative Trump ball sack protection and lubrication brigade certainly make it clear how deeeeeeeply they love and defend their beloved accused pedophile no matter the facts and jury verdicts.
Why? It's the same exact amount of evidence as the most recent accusation of sexual assault against Platner. Personally, I believe the women. I believe the accusers of Trump and Platner. Not sure how some justify in their minds believing one over the other when they have the same amount of evidence.
But I'm not surprised in the least by the response to Trump being called out, desperation is a stinky cologne, and the rightwing conservatives here are absolutely covered in it.
"Eau de Toilette Trump"
And Republicans literally voted for a convicted felon who is CURRENTLY fucking our nation. But you go ahead and pull that dead horse that died in 2009 out of the freezer and continue beating it if that's what makes rightwing conservatives feel like they have any balls left after handing them over to Donald Trump. If Republicans had any balls left, they would stand up to the tiny Fuhrer and demand better. But clearly, without their balls they're just neutered cucks forced to sit in the corner while Trump metaphorically fucks their wives, truly embarrassing for them. And they can't say anything because they voted for him.
"This is what happens Ted! This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps!"
Maybe you should take a look at life decisions. Most hard working, non mooching Americans are doing fine, including me.
Have you noticed what Trump's illegal war has done to our nation? And he does this after screwing our international relationships and raising consumer prices with his brain-dead tariffs. How about the outrageous spending and indebtedness growing leaps and bounds under Trump?
You seem to ignore what Trump is actually doing and hold on to a fantasy that this guy is actually doing what he portrays (what he lies about).
Do you realize how many tens of millions of hard working non mooching Americans are NOT doing fine, because of those, including you, who voted for a morally bankrupt mental midget miscreant gone wild, on women (he just grabs em buy that pussy) and most likely also on children, as HE has held up the Epstein release and is, along with many of his rich buddies and cabinet, mentioned in the EpsteinMaxedouTrump files which only half have been released and Trump is mentioned over 38,000 frckn times and Epstein claimed to be Donald's bestie, but nothing to see here, cause asz always, the poor uneducated people are always picking on Trump, the shit is so lump, butt like Trump wears his lump, in the back of his heavey pants, suits him fine as they are all weighs on fire, cause there has never been a bigger presidential LIAR
Who exactly are they? From what I have seen on here, Platner is almost always condemned for his actions.
But, but, but, Teddy... As you noted, that was thirty plus years ago. Welcome to the 21st century. It is a shitshow.
They don't care, they're too busy protecting their favorite pedophile. And it's not like Trump supporters aren't feeling it like everyone else, they just have to pretend they aren't, like a fearful 13-year-old pretending they're not being abused by a parent or older relative because it's embarrassing to talk about. They don't want to admit how gullible they were to put themselves in that position and they blame themselves, so they refuse to come forward and just go deeper in denial.
I'm a hardworking, non-mooching patriotic American that has enough pride not to grovel before a gold painted billionaire pedophile for a meal ticket like his sycophants. I will never kneel to such a filthy human and I can only feel sorry for those who have proven themselves nothing but cowards and were so easily brought to heel by a convicted felon and accused rapist. I would much rather spend time with those rightwing conservatives consider "moochers" than spend even a second with a sniveling spineless Trump ass smoocher.
If they go much deeper, they can visit the VP of China with Mitch McConnells' wife, and say Chao, in China, asz who knew the D
Nile could even possibly run so deep, and all asz the un pharos pyramid schemes, continue with his shrieking unbelievable screams, about his BILLIONS made inn the place he stays, are all legal American maids, asz his LYING asz makes his, and our bed, and we All will be so much better, after this bazaar freaks' last words are said, and hopefully they will be "hey Bubba, can you please get back in your own bed....?"
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Leave poor trump out of this.
You're right, He just paid hookers happily but he won't pay the victim of his sexual assault conviction and defamation.
Much like Hegseth, who was lucky enough to pay one of his victims $50K to not press charges and 47 GOP Senators had no problem with that and helped to confirm him.
The double standards appear to be , standard.
So he's no different than thousands of others.
Ah, another deflection to unrelated bullshit.
Better reign in Sean then for deflecting to the 1969 Kennedy incident at Chappaquiddick which seems to be unrelated since there was no sexual assault even implied in that, just a common partisan deflection.
The topic is sexual assault by people in power and how the two parties treat it differently.
If you are looking for an echo chamber, please join Truth Social.
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How many other guys do you know that have paid almost a quarter million dollars during a campaign for President to keep porn stars quiet about their many sexual encounters? Or anything close to that during any campaign for any elected position? Anyone else that you know? Where are these "thousands of others"? Please do tell.
So you cannot answer, got it.
Now that Platner's officially toast, we can look forward to years of "I always opposed the bigoted psychopath with a NAZI tattoo!" revisionist history.
Can you link any comments from anyone here saying they supported and would have been voting for Platner? Or even that they think he's a great choice? The only revisionist history is the one from rightwing conservatives claiming that ALL Democrats loved and supported Platner. Just more tired useless bigots screaming about how ALL Democrats did this and ALL Democrats did that while not saying a word about their dear Leader embarrassing our nation daily. Starting a stupid war of choice with Iran that's STILL not fucking over and fucking gas prices all because the guy they voted for was too fucking stupid to realize what would happen if he attacked Iran even though ALL of his military advisors told him what would happen. But no, please do go on about how you apparently believe ALL Democrats live in Maine and supported Platner. /s
Trumpists can't talk about the economy. They can't talk about Trump's "little excursion" in Iran or any other aspect of America's international relations that Trump hasn't completely fucked up. They can't talk about the White House ballroom monstrosity, the algae swamp or the Arc de Trump. They can't talk about the January 6 payoff scam. They can't talk about Trump grifting $2.2 billon dollars in his first year in office. Platner is all they have. Platner, Platner, Platner!!!
The first major American party to nominate a guy with an SS tattoo to Senate. One of those things you can be proud of.
A guy with not just a Nazi tattoo, but an SS one at that. And none of the left wing partisans one spoke up and said that's not okay. They hemmed and hawed or parroted his bullshit excuses that made no sense. Couldn't just say "We can't support a guy who wore an SS tattoo for 20 years. Couldn't even go against the party to oppose that. When he obsessively blamed AIPAC (like any good Nazi will) when Fetterman criticized him for being a bigot who sends dick picks to kids, the left wing partisans were silent. All acceptable to them.
Cam you link to any comments of a progressive saying an SS tattoo is unacceptable for a Senator?
Shouldn't be hard to do. I'm sure you would have said that an an SS tattoo was disqualifying a few years ago. But now, we know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that Democrats here don't think an SS tattoo is that big of a deal. Good for you guys. Think of how far you've come.
One of those things you can be proud of. How's Gosar?
I never thought Platner was an acceptable candidate.
How you can spend years defending Trump against truly outrageous words and deeds and then get all bent out of shape about a tattoo (with no supporting evidence that Platner ever had any leaning towards Nazis) is amazing.
Even more amazing is that his tattoo is probably the least of his bad qualities.
Just bizarre.
With Platner out of the race, Paxton is going to get some much needed attention.
Well, per Chat GPT:
Ahhh, so they judged him based on his tattoos?...
I don't know what the fuck they judged him on. Presumably the tattoo. I would have to delve deeper than I already have into this whole debacle. I had absolutely no control over any of it. I was aware of controversy and also aware of some actions he had taken in his earlier life were being held against him as "unsavory".
I still do not care. I cannot effect that race in any way. I can see quite plausible explanations for all of the major actors in this shit-show pointing at thruth/lies and have not really investigated it further. It is not high on my priority list.
I do find it interesting that people do have a double standard and say that what is good/bad for one person is not the same for others. This has always been with us, humans, as a species. Some can recognize and call attention to it. Name it. Hold it up to the light so all can observe. Some stubbornly cling to their conceptions of how things should be and refuse to admit how they actually are, which, if they wish to change anything, is essential.
Amazing how holier than thou, are the Republican 'right'. The same party that elected Trump twice, and from in the bushes from a peppering assalt was Sean Spice, ehr, the guy who told US All of the largest crowds ever gathered for Trump 1. The guy who said good people on both sides of the "jews will not replace us" debate where certainly displayed was obvious Hate, and then with Trump a piece of # 2, Stephen Miller shore a piers a tad moored to asz prejudiced ass they come, and man do they prove over and over, how vast that it is soo true for more than quite a sum, as prejudice and fear of those different in pigment and origin of birth, is what they try and use as the measure of ones worth, wear on their no sleeves they have that right to bear arms, cause less off, R more ons, who promote the DEI must die, cause that be the excuse sold asz to Y, they are wear they're at and tied to their per suits, due to aristocrats with propaganda that pollutes, stripped minds that don't, think they should be to blame, for they're low achievement and accomplishments so tame, for much easier to have another to lesson their shame, so succesful has become the manipulators aim, and that aim is not true, asz it hits its targets not well red, and they're afraid ta turn blue, even though fore skin is like their missing ballz, blew, is watt herd blowz, when tested is a culled herd round the whirled, and test a culled have left their chins a tad bruised, cause not being able to think critically, left the 'right' pretty damn confused lit, and due to this they've blown US ta shit, all cause of inferiorities and insecurities, of minorities and there rumored impurities, asz they follow the most unpure inmoral inethical POS to ever get elected buy in pussy and grabbin, all whilst back stabbin, while post fabbin pedo jabbin children from behind, and exactly wear under they've left US, in a pot of boiling pus, without a Lance, to release us, from the disgusting growth of what our forefathers could never have fathomed this country doin, so asz they are centrifugally spinnin in their collective grave, we are left dizzy with a country in need of a save, instead it beheaded, just a body of evidence, to an early grave, cause we've lost our collective heads, of state, and state I will, sux watchin this view of a slow painful kill
I think that sums it up for all the liberals and progressives here, but others are apparently desperate for some sort of surrender by the left. They've had Platner in their teeth as supposed 'absolute proof' of Democratic hypocrisy and that, despite common sense and neo-Nazi's marching alongside them and having all the same goals, rightwing conservatives can't be the party of Nazi's since they claim to have found a Nazi peanut in the Democrats party mix. But no one with more than half a brain believes them, so the only ones buying it are those in their own party with shit for brains. It seems to me what pissed them off most was that Platner wasn't running as one of them.
Apparently you refuse to acknowledge that even here Ds and others stated that Platner was a bad candidate. It would not be revisionist history but rather fact. Revisionist history would occur if Sanders, for example, claimed he never supported him.
An accusation by a former girlfriend of rape.
This was just an accusation, not a conviction like Trump had, and people still defended him. Or do they want to play both sides of the field now?
That would be much more in character for Trump and his Trumpist MAGA slaves...
Platner's gone.
Now, what will it take for Republicans to finally disown the corrupt and traitorous "grab 'em by the pussy" Trump?
Good question. Trump has already disgraced our nation, ruined the GOP, violated almost every one of his campaign promises, engaged in actions that raise prices, lined the government with sycophants, spent our money like a drunken sailor, wasted government resources pursuing vanity and vindictive projects, got us into another war, inhibited renewable and green efforts, divided the nation even more than before, seriously damaged international relationships, demolished the East Wing, and showed others how easy it is to abuse power in our system.
What else did his voters care about? Patriotism? Trump is the opposite. Religion? Trump is no better than a prosperity gospel con-man. Economy? Made worse since he took office.
I have no idea, Dig.
Trump most likely have won the GOP nomination in 2012 had not Obama produced his long form birth certificate and humiliated Trump for a while. . Race has always been the bedrock of Trumps appeal. His people fear losing "their" country.
And if a Dem Administration gets in in 2028 just wait for all the screaming when these unqualified sycophants get bounced out of their jobs
It is going to be one hell of a hangover trying to get the MAGA out of government.
They will just lie like they did when they took their oath to the CotUS on entering the Civil Service.
I guess that makes me an optimist, lol.