An Alabama city is facing a $25,000 fine for changing a street named after Jefferson Davis - CNN

  
Via:  Gsquared  •  8 months ago  •  52 comments

By:   Christina Zdanowicz (CNN)

An Alabama city is facing a $25,000 fine for changing a street named after Jefferson Davis - CNN
The capital of Alabama is coming under fire and facing a large fine after removing a street name honoring president of the Confederacy.

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The people of Montgomery cannot even change the name of street honoring a racist traitor without the backwards State of Alabama trying to punish them. 


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The capital of Alabama is coming under fire and facing a large fine after removing a street name honoring president of the Confederacy.

Montgomery Mayor Steven Reed says replacing the Jeff Davis Avenue sign, named after Jefferson Davis, was the right thing to do. The street was renamed Fred D. Gray Avenue after the local civil rights icon in late October.

"We thought it was the right thing to do," Reed told CNN Friday. "We want to move forward with it as we try to seek a new image for Montgomery and a new beginning, and one focused more on the economic opportunities, our investments in public education and our investments in our people in our community, as opposed to relics of the past."

The state attorney general's office slapped the city with a $25,000 fine in a letter dated November 5. The letter was sent to city officials saying it was a one-time fine for violating the Alabama Memorial Preservation Act of 2017.

If the city does not pay the fine, it will face a lawsuit for violating the act, according to the letter. 

"We have no comment on the matter concerning the Alabama Memorial Preservation Act," a spokesman from the Alabama attorney's general office wrote to CNN Monday. The letter was provided to CNN by the mayor's office.

The fine seems counterintuitive, as Confederate monuments and memorials are still coming down across the South. More than 160 Confederate symbols came down in 2020 after the killing of George Floyd prompted a national reckoning with racism, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center. 

The catch is the fine is not tied to removing a Confederate memorial. It stems from a 2017 law, which prohibits moving, removing, or renaming any memorial or monument "located on public property which has been in place for 40 years or more," according to the Alabama Historical Commission.

It made Mayor Reed wonder what leaders are trying to preserve, he said.

"If we were changing this name from Jefferson Davis Avenue to Stonewall Jackson Avenue, would that still be an issue?" Reed said. "What are we trying to preserve here? I think those are the questions that many of our leaders at the state level have to answer."

Another question Reed has is whether the name of a street qualifies as a monument, he said.

"This came around the time when statues were being removed from New Orleans and other cities around the country," he said. "I think we have to really look at this from a broader context."

The street was renamed after Gray, a prominent civil rights attorney who represented Rosa Parks after she refused to give up her seat on a Montgomery bus, according to his law firm's website. He also represented Martin Luther King, Jr., several times. 

The unveiling ceremony of the new street took place a few yards from Gray's childhood home October 26, according to the mayor's office.

The process to rename the street started in December 2020 took time, according to the mayor's office. The Montgomery City Council unanimously voted to approve the mayor's resolution October 5, 2021.

With the city facing the hefty fine, Reed said the city is looking into ways to resolve the issue.

"We have had donors from across the country offer to pay the fine, so we would not have to spend $1 of taxpayer money for that," he said. "We want to also make sure that we don't have the responsibility to challenge this law for a bigger issue as it relates to what cities and municipalities have the right to do and whether or not the law truly is unjust."

Reed said the city has not decided if it will pay the fine.

"We will continue to look at this in the broad view of how we want Montgomery to move forward and what really makes the most sense for us as a community," he said.


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Gsquared
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1  seeder  Gsquared    8 months ago

They should definitely not pay the fine.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @1    8 months ago

a compromise may be in order. confederate traitor avenue has a nice ring to it.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
2  Kavika     8 months ago
"If we were changing this name from Jefferson Davis Avenue to Stonewall Jackson Avenue, would that still be an issue?" Reed said. "What are we trying to preserve here? I think those are the questions that many of our leaders at the state level have to answer.

Seems fairly obvious what they are trying to preserve.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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3  Split Personality    8 months ago

Street signs are not monuments.

Street signs are considered "placards" like a no Parking sign or a RT 66 sign.

There are estimated to be 40.1 million placards indicating routes, streets and safety & restrictions

None of them are monuments...

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @3    8 months ago

a "Corona St." sign in Denver is an endangered species.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  devangelical @3.1    8 months ago

Beer will never be an endangered species as long as I am alive.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Split Personality @3    8 months ago
Street signs are not monuments.

I agree, they should not be subject to the law or fine. Not many people would want to drive to work on the Hitler Expressway or eat at a restaurant on Jeffry Dahmer Ave., changing confederate street names should clearly be allowed.

Though I do think hilarious street names should be left alone...

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Trout Giggles
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3.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.2    8 months ago

I live on a funny sounding road

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.1    8 months ago

Which is?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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3.2.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2.2    8 months ago

I won't say it here. Too afraid of doxxing

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Trout Giggles @3.2.3    8 months ago

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Split Personality
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3.2.5  Split Personality  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2.2    8 months ago

Between the intersections of Laurel & Hardy and Abbott & Costello?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4  JohnRussell    8 months ago

Any naming of streets after Jefferson Davis, Robert E Lee, or any other confederate traitors undoubtedly took place as part of the Lost Cause mythology. Now that this mythology has been exposed as a means to perpetuate white supremacy in the post Civil War south all such street signs, monuments, etc, should come down. Move the area into the 21st century. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @4    8 months ago

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Gsquared
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4.1.1  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1    8 months ago

The insanity is your comment.  Totally ridiculous.  Own it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.1    8 months ago

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Gsquared
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4.1.3  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.2    8 months ago

Your arguments are idiotic.  

They're renaming your street Timothy McVeigh Drive.  That should make you happy.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.1.4  JohnRussell  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.3    8 months ago
Your arguments are idiotic.  

Maybe it sneaks up on them. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.3    8 months ago

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Gsquared
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4.1.6  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  JohnRussell @4.1.4    8 months ago

Who knows?  And more importantly, who cares?  It seems they just can't help it.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4.1.7  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    8 months ago
Spare me your inane tripe.

You dish out inane tripe in spades, daily.  Own it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.7    8 months ago

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Gsquared
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4.1.9  seeder  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.8    8 months ago

I'm quite calm.  You seem pretty agitated.  That can happen when someone is losing an argument.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.9    8 months ago

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squiggy
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4.1.11  squiggy  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.9    8 months ago

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Texan1211
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4.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  squiggy @4.1.11    8 months ago

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Texan1211
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4.1.13  Texan1211  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.9    8 months ago

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Texan1211
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4.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.13    8 months ago

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devangelical
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4.1.15  devangelical  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.9    8 months ago

uh, yeah... I'm here about the trump dick sucker infestation. I should have it all cleared up in a few minutes...

 
 
 
Texan1211
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4.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @4.1.15    8 months ago

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Paula Bartholomew
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4.1.17  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Gsquared @4.1.3    8 months ago

Coming soon to a white supremacist community near you...Rittenhouse Ave.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.18  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  devangelical @4.1.15    8 months ago
I should have it all cleared up in a few minutes...

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devangelical
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4.1.19  devangelical  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.18    8 months ago

TDS, redefined...

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    8 months ago

The name is changed, the fine is paid.  Everybody is happy.  Well, except for the descendants of Jefferson Davis.  Personally speaking, I might have to dig pretty deep to find compassion for them.

 
 
 
bccrane
Freshman Silent
5.1  bccrane  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    8 months ago

Well, maybe not everyone is happy, now whoever is a resident or business along the street will need to change their street address on their checks, letterheads, envelopes,etc.  The fine should be disbursed to the residents to offset the extra expenses.

 
 
 
Texan1211
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5.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  bccrane @5.1    8 months ago
Well, maybe not everyone is happy,

Yeah, but you have to balance that with how many people who never even knew such a street existed are now ecstatic.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.2  devangelical  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.1    8 months ago

throw a pillowcase over the sign temporarily, to help keep the goobers from getting lost.

 
 
 
Tacos!
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6  Tacos!    8 months ago

Legally, the state appears to be acting within its authority. State law does recognize and define a “memorial street.”

MEMORIAL STREET. A street that is located on public property and has been constructed for, or named or dedicated in honor of, an event, a person, a group, a movement, or military service. - Alabama Code § 41-9-231(5).

And the law specifically prohibits renaming a memorial street :

No architecturally significant building, memorial building, memorial street , or monument which is located on public property and has been so situated for 40 or more years may be relocated, removed, altered, renamed , or otherwise disturbed. - Alabama Code § 41-9-232(a).

Why you would want to defend such things, though - to the point of fining a city for renaming a street - is beyond me.

 
 
 
Kavika
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7  Kavika     8 months ago

Seems fitting for Alabama, wait it is Alabama.

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Trout Giggles
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7.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7    8 months ago

Now that's funny!

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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7.2  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kavika @7    8 months ago

Is that real?

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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7.2.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.2    8 months ago

I've seen signs like that here in Arkansas

 
 
 
Kavika
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7.2.2  Kavika   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.2    8 months ago

Yes it is real..

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.3  Kavika   replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.1    8 months ago

Just for you Trout, can you interpert the meaning for us?

1. Farfrompoopen Road , Story. Yes, there really is a Story, Arkansas. And yes, there really is a Farfrompoopen Road.

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Just Jim NC TttH
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7.2.4  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Kavika @7.2.3    8 months ago

256

Evidently on that road you're far from it LOL

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
7.2.5  Kavika   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @7.2    8 months ago

Just for you Sister, Lake Jackson, TX.

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Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.2.6  Trout Giggles  replied to  Kavika @7.2.3    8 months ago
Story is an unincorporated community in Montgomery County , Arkansas , United States. Story is located at the junction of Arkansas highways 27 and 298 , 11.5 miles (18.5 km) northeast of Mount Ida . Story has a post office with ZIP code 71970. [2] The 37.8-mile long Womble Trail connects to the Ouachita National Recreation Trail north of the community. [1] [3]

I knew I heard of this town and it's possible I've been there because of my job.

Farfrompoopen sounds German. Ask a German...lol!

 
 
 
Split Personality
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7.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.6    8 months ago

In German it means you are stuck farting because of constipation.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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squiggy
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8  squiggy    8 months ago

Initially, I thought the change was for Freddie Gray - the guy killed in a police van in Baltimore - and I was fine with that. Then I realized they're talking about Fred D. Gray - a lawyer who goes home every day.

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squiggy
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8.1  squiggy  replied to  squiggy @8    8 months ago

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Ender
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9  Ender    8 months ago

Uh oh. Need to throw out that law. It's not in the constitution....

 
 

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