Texas AG threatens to prosecute doctors in emergency abortion
By: Brendan Pierson
S E E D E D C O N T E N T
Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton on Thursday threatened to prosecute any doctors involved in providing an emergency abortion to a woman, hours after she won a court order allowing her to obtain one for medical necessity.
Paxton said in a letter that the order by District Court Judge Maya Guerra Gamble in Austin did not shield doctors from prosecution under all of Texas's abortion laws, and that the woman, Kate Cox, had not shown she qualified for the medical exception to the state's abortion ban.
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Paxton is at best a complete asshole.
Yup. Paxton just proved none of this is about "saving innocent life". It's about controlling women, even if that control endangers their lives or health.
I'd like to hear a good reason why that federally indicted a-hole isn't already in jail.
I had actually forgotten about that.
Him and Abbott. Both corrupt scum.
And they say there's a two tiered justice system, of course that's true, but they project.
After a whole life of crime, why isn't Trump in prison?
considering some of the vendors he's stiffed in the past, how didn't he end up in the hudson?
I've thought similar things in the past
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Pretty sure that had nothing to do with TOS!
I was just saying that the mafia has a long memory.
you committed political blasphemy against the false idol of criminal capitalism...
... and trump's probably outlived most of those wise guys from the 70's and 80's.
This is outrageous and disgusting. I hope every woman (and every man, too) in America understands the complete depravity of the republicans and gets out and votes in 2024 like their lives depend on it. Because they do.
The government of Texas literally heard from a woman, a citizen, who fears for her life and her future ability to "populate" the state with additional children and the state sided with her loss of this child through leaving the state (may be even for good)! It's a clear demonstration of Texas government 'controllers' not being interested in the life of the mother or her future off-spring over a pretense that every child (unfit or fit) matters!
All women who care about autonomy over their own bodies should flee Texas like the plague.
(Fleeing to Florida or any other Southern redneck state is obviously not an option.)
Any women who cares about having a voice will flee North.
When MAGA shows us who they are we ought to believe them. MAGA is no good for liberals. All it wants to do if fight liberals. All MAGA wants to do is wage political warfare on liberals and secularists.
MAGA don't even properly respond to solutions which liberals bring forward to discuss or enact, because they don't value liberals as citizens or as good people.
The court order allowed it, he should be in contempt of court and obstructing justice.
It's part of the right wing effort to denigrate, obstruct, and ultimately, obliterate the judicial system. His leader, Trump, is engaged in the same conduct. If they succeed, that will end our democracy.
The endless defense of the indefensible is unreal - "I'm going to be dictator on the first day - then not."
I think America should give Texas back to Mexico since it's doing it's damndest to become like a third world country. The control that the Texas government is trying to take over women's rights and bodies is IMO a return to American slavery.
Since Mexico legalized abortion, that may be a step forward for Texas women.
that's why republicans are trying to make it illegal for women to travel out of anti-choice states for an abortion.
there's already lots of dentists living in border states that have their practices just over the border.
Seems far right wing fascism knows no bounds.
the US constitution has always run a distant second to the biblical doorstop in their minds...
The business of Texas is business, especially the oil business. While there are beautiful spots in the giant state, its cities are hellscapes. Dallas is a sprawling megalopolis. Houston is a swampy speedway. No, they don't have a state income tax, but they make up for it in monstrous property taxes, sales taxes, fees and surcharges. Services are few and far between. Now though, Texas has become oppressive. Been there, done that. I would never live there for love or money ever again!
It was many years ago that I visited Texas, more than once, and there were some outstanding things about it that I remember, one being the steak I ate at the Traildust in Dallas, where fortunately I didn't wear a tie, and being in the audience to watch and hear Ann Richards speak, who I thought would have been a fabulous POTUS.
Better to be thought the fool than to take to the keyboard to prove it.
Do you really want to compare Dallas to NYC?
Property taxes are local and one of the few things I can thank Abbott for trying to lower statewide by changing the State Constitution.
The services are fine.
Yes, republicans want to micromanage personal rights and voting rights according to the Bible, with Abbott's cronies including the AG they did not have the guts to convict.
I guess that is a small blessing, thanks.
Not to mention subsidizing their state with funds from states like NY.
Texas doesn’t receive NY state funds.
Uh huh - keep believing Texas and all the other Southern states are self sufficient.
I wrote nothing about Texas being self sufficient. I do know that NY State doesn't transfer state dollars to Texas or any other state except maybe shared comminuting infrastructure with a neighbor state, i.e. NJ.
AND you know exactly what I meant so stop trolling me.
No trolling.
Those analyses that try to classify states as givers or takers is shallow. They are developed and used politically that profess to care about income inequality and then label a state because that state historically has had a disproportionate amount of poor people living there.
Last time I enjoyed Texas was at Six Flags when I was a teen and met a lovely lady named Joyce Singh from Fabens. Still alive Joyce? I still think about you after all these decades.
So sorry your dad died while testing a car to the limit.
Tested many cars to destruction myself. Managed to survive.
Over the years have destroyed a few cars myself.
That’s not very environmentally responsible.
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Don't try to be cute Sean. Your veiled references to China, made just because of Buzz's presence, are off topic.
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Can you believe this???
Unfortunately, I can readily believe it. The cruelty has become the point for some pro-lifers.
And that's the right word to describe what Texas is doing - CRUELTY.
I remember a few years back when a few state legislators introduced bills calling for the death penalty for women who'd had miscarriages and couldn't prove they hadn't caused them. I never thought such bills would get much traction. Now, I'm not so sure.
Nor am I. It's hard for me to believe that a nation that proudly hails itself as the greatest in the world tolerates such backwardness.
Kind of eliminates their entire claim to be pro-life when their actions could result in the deaths of both the mother and baby if carried to term.
they don't care who gets sacrificed to further their dominionist agenda on the way to creating geezusland.
So glad that I don't live in Texas or Florida.
These states have become far right fascist.
I think that we all are happy for your domicile.
NE Ks around Lawrence has always suited me.
Am always happy to be around free thinkers.
Interesting read from the Texas Supreme court.
Excerpt: A pregnant woman does not need a court order to have a lifesaving abortion in Texas. Our ruling today does not block a life-saving
abortion in this very case if a physician determines that one is needed
under the appropriate legal standard, using reasonable medical
judgment. If Ms. Cox’s circumstances are, or have become, those that
satisfy the statutory exception, no court order is needed. Nothing in this
opinion prevents a physician from acting if, in that physician’s
reasonable medical judgment, she determines that Ms. Cox has a “life threatening physical condition” that places her “at risk of death” or
“poses a serious risk of substantial impairment of a major bodily
function unless the abortion is performed or induced.”
It seems there is a difference between "doctor’s mere subjective belief" . and "doctors reasonable medical judgment” .
“It seems there is a difference between "doctor’s mere subjective belief" . and "doctors reasonable medical judgment” .”
At least in Texas.
So the state legislature will become the final arbiter in these cases? So much for doctor/client privilege. So much for limited government interfering in our lives. So much abject intolerance. So little empathy.
Not really. The legislators should be writing the laws in a clear enough way where the courts are not needed. In this case it seems the supreme court decided there was an issue with the doctor not meeting the "doctors reasonable medical judgment” when saying it was the "doctors belief" an abortion was needed. That is still between the doctor and patient. It seems a bit nit picky in the wording to me but I am not a lawyer. It seems if the doctor said it was their reasonable medical judgement even after the judgement came down they could have proceeded with the abortion in Texas.
“It seems a bit nit picky in the wording to me…”
Nit picky?
Cox was compelled to cross state lines to endure a procedure that she certainly didn’t anticipate nor hope for. It became her reality when her state legislature, state officials, and state courts failed her in their ‘nit pickiness’.
Who knows what she faces going forward as she tries to regain her life in the spotlight of such intolerance for a woman’s privacy?
Yes, nit picky as described above. It seems the Supreme court interpreted the law looking for a specific wording to allow an abortion for medical reasons that were not supplied.
Based on what the Supreme court said I am not sure she had to leave. The courts interpreted the law. That is their job, not to make the law.
In her specific case the legislature did not make a law that was in her best interest at this time. If enough people don't like the law and it is important enough for them they can vote the legislators out. I don't know anyone is happy with all the laws they have to obey, that is why we have elections, so some of the laws can be changed.
IMO the decision is equivocal, and I don't blame the doctors for not taking a chance to spend the rest of their lives in prison for performing an abortion procedure. She was wise to run elsewhere.
That was her and her doctors choice and it was totally up to them.
The time-line to correct the mistake of a legislated body by replacement of officials is lengthy at best. By that time, this specific issue would be mute. And not just for this one decision-maker.
And a wise choice it was. If I were her I wouldn't return to Texas, however every vote is important to remove a Neanderthal government from power.
Yep but that is still the way it works no matter how much you may not like it or how unfair you might think it is.
Not an easy choice.
Explains why you like it: It's stalling for time and give the state 'mileage.' Or in this case, more unwanted children by girls and women who will abandon them on a variety of doorsteps and agencies.
BTW, since you won't 'come' to the question, I'll bring it to you:
Where did I say I like it or even agree with it?
If I was into conspiracy theories I would say Texas is concerned about all the liberals moving there from California and are trying to stop the migration.
Though I have time today, I will not waste any of its preciousness on BS exchanges with you. In the time you take to 'blow smoke' you could have put any question to rest. When you get serious for discussion let me know.
I assume you can't tell me where I said I am happy with it or even agree with it. That is good because you can't because I am not.
Again, I am done with cheap-thrill 'talk.' Bye for now. Come back when you have something serious.
See 5.2.15.
Glad you had a cheap thrill, whatever that is.
Ciao
Ciao.
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An abnormal fetus that is only able to survive for, at best, a few days out of the womb, where an emergency abortion was not allowed, will henceforth be known as a "Paxton Baby".
If she is not allowed to abort, there is a chance she'll miscarry, with the resulting dangers of a late miscarriage. It's also possible she'll require a c-section to deliver if the pregnancy progresses. She's already had several c-sections. Multiple c-sections increase the chance of uterine rupture in subsequent pregnancies, and that can be fatal.
My 2 children had to be delivered by c-section by my first wife, and they always were and are very healthy. I was made to leave the room for the first one and I'm embarrassed to say I fell asleep during the second one - the surgeon woke me up to tell me it was a brother for his 4 yr old sister.
The whole thing is unconscionable.
My son was born by c-section. It's a difficult recovery, or it was for me.
My wife had her tubes tied after her 2.
The bottom line is that once a c-section always a c-section.
Just an old retired paramedic but that's what I hear.
Not always. Many doctors offer to help patients vaginal birth after c-section. But most will require a hospital birth (not home or a birthing center), and patients are informed that it's risky.
Delivered a few babies over the years,
A few delivered even after a previous c-section.
They didn't train us MICT's how to do that!
my 2 sons were in a hurry to get born, my c section daughter not so much...
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YES!!! Label that asshole with it for history.
If something happends to the mother in birth jail the POS.
Yes, he would be responsible if anything bad happens.
The AG seems to believe in the the phrase, "Dura lex sed lex” -Lat. “The law is harsh, but it is the law."
If Ms. Cox becomes sterile, charge the AG with mayhem. ( the crime of maliciously injuring or maiming someone, originally so as to render the victim defenseless .)
If Ms. Cox or the product of the pregnancy dies charge the AG with man slaughter. ( the crime of killing a human being without malice aforethought, or otherwise in circumstances not amounting to murder.)
Another charge could be terroristic threat (A terroristic threat is a threat to commit a crime of violence or a threat to cause bodily injury to another person and terrorization as the result of the proscribed conduct .)
Could Paxton have committed political suicide or does he know that Texas voters would still support him as AG or the GoP government because the majority of them are as cruel as he or it is?
I don't see the NT members who hold themselves out by their user names as being from or supporters of Texas commenting on this seed. I wonder if it has embarrassed them.
One more charge (?). Practicing medicine without a license. (Putting his unprofessional/unlicensed opinion above knowledgeable professionals.)
Pretty sure no right winger is capable of that.
Feeling shame for their vast sins is impossible.
It takes a conscience to feel shame.
This is disgusting. Someone I hold near and dear to me had to have an abortion because of a trisomy 18 defect. It was the worst moment of her life. Why are they forcing a woman to give birth to a baby with no nervous system? They are the monsters here.
It is total BS that this will cause the woman to become sterile, but it might cause her undue grief.
Not necessarily. There is the chance. She has already had 2 c-sections. If this pregnancy continues, she may need her third. Risk of complications such as uterine rupture increase with each c-section, so this could render her sterile, or render future pregnancies more risky.
I should have been more specific. I meant a normal delivery. In this woman's case, she does have a risk, but carrying to term presents a risk, too. That is why it should be left to her doctors and not politicians and courts to decide.
Exactly. The risks might be worth it for a viable pregnancy. She doesn't find the risks to be worth it for a pregnancy that may result in miscarriage or stillbirth, and at best will result in a child that can't survive, and that decision should be hers, not Paxton's.
paxton got caught playing amateur gynecologist, maybe he thinks that qualifies him...
The obvious answer is it NEVER should have come to this. I mean talk about the amount of OVER-EXPLAINING and ACCUSATORY ATTITUDE on this display here as this woman is being treated like she has done or is willing to "do" something wrong.
Now then some conservatives like to admonish liberals about VIRTUE SIGNALING and here they are in a 'model' conservative-led state signaling their political behinds off on what is right and wrong for girls and women who are healthy. . .and want to stay that way!
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And you're showing that you don't pay attention to anything that is posted on NT.
Perrie, I and plenty of others on NT are INDEPENDENTS - do you understand what that word means???? Quite simply, so you'll understand - that means we ain't righties or lefties - we think for ourselves.
Not even remotely close to the truth. She is amazingly disciplined and objective.
Friend Cjcold, to my understanding Perrie is an Independent. And I have to agree with friend TiG she is interestingly disciplined and objective even with "me and mine"
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I don't understand what Paxton is doing here, but pandering to hard core anti-women voters. He's not protecting the life of a potential child, or the mother. He's not protecting the law as it was written as the judge made clear this only applied to this one and only case. How does this, in any way, help the people of Tx?
he's rallying the thumpers to save him from a pending federal indictment, just like his hero...
protective solitary...
I heard this on the news this morning. It's outrageous and goes beyond cruelty.
Paxton is a monster. A dirty, low-down, thick headed, assholish, twat waffle
Today's news is that she left the State to get an abortion. I wouldn't be surprised if Texas threw her in jail on her return, taking into consideration their attitude towards this situation and women's rights in general.
An hour after that came out the TXSC ruled against the woman. It further represses women's rights in the state of Tx.
it just proves that thumper rwnj's don't really believe in any abortion exclusions.
gee, I wonder why southern pro-lifers are having such a difficult time locating victims of incest?
I read that news when I woke up a few hours ago, and what went through my head is that if any woman in Texas is stupid enough and submissive enough to vote Republican at the next election there (but maybe the Republican government will take away the right for women to vote, next) they deserve to spend the rest of their lives as "Handmaidens" pregnant and barefoot and in the kitchen, but then maybe they would like that.
I hope they don't throw her in prison when she returns
that would become a SCOTUS case and result in a huge windfall for her on the texas taxpayers dime, and also help to silence the "nobody outlawed abortion" in the thumper choir.
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This debacle will stoke the abortion issue voters again. If the right keeps this up they will have no one to blame but themselves if they get wiped out in next years elections.
Texas MAGA conservatives are showing what they really are! MAGA will not give up or give away ANY of its rights, privileges, and freedoms - but, are very MOTIVATED to relieve liberals and secularists of their rights and freedoms (to live free of MAGA (conservative) control).
commercial in the middle runs from 3:13 to 5:25 if you want to ff>> thru it
Oh, he is good! And that commercial in the middle. . .thank you for the warning!
Liberal Redneck makes some very valid points: "Smart people leaving Texas' . . . oh, it's true. It's true.
the southern accent twists the knife...
That it is. He reminds me of somebody. . . in the tilt of the cap or the eyes or the wit he is putting forward. I don't know which is "triggering" the memory.
goobers being mocked by somebody that has a goober accent is adding insult to injury.
Howdy Arabia. ROFL
it's good they hear someone that knows the lingo speak to those suffering from xtian confederitis.
I appreciate you sharing these. I really like Trey's take on these situations.
I watch way too much youtube...
And I watch way too many many movies.
These days real life is much less attractive.
What about this woman's (or a girl's) mental health? Why is it important (more so than life itself) to Texas GOP that a girl or woman carry a non-viable organism within herself to term? Who gains from such anguish (trauma) to a girl or woman?
thumper hypocrites...
MAGA is so full of BS. I have been thinking about several points of interest: No gun control. No abortion. No birth control. No affordable health care, no mask wearing, no vaccinations, no DEI, no ("doable") immigration policy, no same-sex marriage, no marriage equality, no [list here] and so forth and so on.
MAGA stands for NO (anything) that liberals and secularists wish to see occur in our country.
Independent voters need to seriously take a good look at MAGA/Trump because there are and will continue to be a stream of unfulfilled people and left out citizens if/when the GOP gets renewed control over the country!
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The GOP is the party of MAGA and Trump is the head of MAGA and MAGA does want: Gun control, abortion, birth control, affordable health care for the citizenry, people to mask up during pandemics, wants vaccinations, DEI, "do-able" immigration policy, same-sex marriage, marriage equality, and so forth and so on.
Come on GOP/MAGA own your BS already! Moreover, this year I resolve not to spend a lot of time in back and forth where GOP/MAGA denies the truth even about itself!
MAGA shit or get off the pot already! Y'all hang out here all the time saying little to nothing about MAGA in explanation of what it is or what it wants in compromise (no compromise) - so it is what it is. I will call it as I see it.
Oh, and No MRNA vaccines. . . MAGA is calling for a halt in those vaccinations too.
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Just own MAGA shit (all of the it) for a change in the new year 2024. Moreover, a better use of the time generously provided you by our host/s would be to explain what MAGA is and how it is beneficial to the whole of the country and its citizens rather than just throwing insults back and forth.
It is amazing, isn't it? Every poll of gop primary voters shows that Trump is cruising, practically unopposed, for the gop nomination. Yet, nobody here wants to own being a MAGA!
Our choice will be Trump who already stacked the Supreme Court with far rightwing throwbacks. Or, to reelect President Biden...
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Another car metaphor in the campaign reminiscent of the Obama metaphor about republicans driving the car into a ditch!
I thought for a minute I'd caught a whiff of mackerel and $3 a gallon red...
That 'flew' straight over my head. . . . Help!
it was meant for pious men that need to remain seated after seeing a 10 year old girl in a parochial school uniform.
... sunday morning xtians.
... xtian nationalists.
"our cross has feet"