The Story that just won't go away
Last night it finally happened - a reporter asked Joe Biden about reported emails indicating his son Hunter cashed in overseas on the former vice president's name and that Joe Biden had lied about knowledge of it.
"Mr. Biden, what is your response to the New York Post story about your son, sir?"
Biden snapped back - "I know you’d ask it". "I have no response, it’s another smear campaign, right up your alley, those are the questions you always ask."
The reporters name was Bo Erickson and he works for CBS.
Social media has tried to kill the story by simply censoring it. ABC host George Stephanopoulos refused to ask about it Thursday night during a town hall with Biden. The Washington Post, which has been preening its feathers over Watergate for decades, as America’s supposedly premier investigative newspaper, have shown zero interest in Joe Biden’s alleged corruption involving payoffs from China and the Ukraine. Aside from the New York Post which broke the story, only Fox News has shown an interest in covering it. Yet that may be just enough to make it a campaign issue with only a few weeks left to what is clearly not only the most important election in our lifetime, but to the lives of our children & grand children.
It is odd that the same msm which went all in on publishing insane claims made in the fake Steele dossier are the same people who dismiss the Hunter Biden photos & emails which appear to be real and in one case has been corroborated as true. It'll be easy to verify they are real. Yet the press aims to convince us they aren't real. Can we really go on with a media that is so blatantly bias that it violates every principle of journalism and openly lies and distorts the truth? Did we ever think we would see such a day?
As for the story itself, the question is how much will it influence the vote? According to the Rasmussen Poll (the one that had it close to being right last time) Biden leads Trump by 5 points. That would mean that these final weeks are crucial and one candidate could pull away from the other.
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/older_content/home/top_stories/most_recent_articles
If we find a direct link of corruption to Joe Biden it could give the President some serious momentum.
It is being investigated:
If Joe Biden should win, despite all of this, we can be assured of two things: Biden is not going to face any watchdogs in the mainstream media. He will be surrounded by lapdogs. Beyond that, we can say good by to traditional America once and for all.
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"One person on an email thread allegedly involving Hunter Biden corroborates the veracity of the messages, which appear to outline a deal involving Joe Biden and a Chinese energy firm."
All thanks to Russian propaganda/Ghouliani/Bannon, possibly QANon?
I wonder how much they paid the shop owner in Delaware?
KEY WORDS: ALLEGEDLY, APPEAR TO
Who? Oh, that's right, an anonymous source. Nice example of pure hypocrisy.
So an anonymous source claims to have "corroborated the veracity" of an email "allegedly involving Hunter Biden". If that doesn't smack of desperation I don't know what would. The fact that some brain dead conservatives are hanging their hats on this Russian created conspiracy theory isn't surprising so much as it is just sad.
If you think that Trump could "pull away" from Biden due to this story you are on another planet.
I'd like to see the Democrats do more to emphasize Trump's lifelong corruption in the last two and a half weeks of this campaign. Vic, did Joe Biden make a 25 million dollar reparation to average Americans for trying to swindle them out of their life savings? Or wasn't that Donald Trump ? Trump University.
I think the question might just be did Biden sell out America to China?
I can prove Trump swindled Trump University customers ( He made false ads substantially misrepresenting the product and luring people into the "school"), now, can you prove Biden sold America out to China? Let's see it.
My claim has not been proven yet, but the e-mails suggest it. The sad part is that you can't address it without relying on a settled case against Donald Trump.
John, there is no question that the deals made with China have only benefited China and a handful of individuals. They have cost America thousands of manufacturing jobs and industries. In no way is some local issue the President decided to settle and dispose of during the 2016 election because he had the usual hate-filled assholes trying to defeat him, comparable.
start video at 17:55 (the entire video is interesting but rather long for here)
from Trump deposition on Trump U lawsuit
It is not about Trump.
It is about Joe Biden selling out America!
Donald Trump was going to lose the case. He didnt want to lose it while he was president.
Trump has been sued hundreds of times for bad business practices. Do you know of another one where he gave up and paid 25 million dollars to the plaintiff?
There you go.
He was running for President. He settled it and took it off the table. Joe Biden can't do that with this - he already told us "he didn't know about it!
Donald Trump is destroying America.
I disagree. I think these guys sold out America:
It is far, far , far, easier to prove that Donald Trump is not fit for office than to prove Joe Biden sold out America.
This is not even open to reasonable debate.
Actually, we now have corroboration on the China portion of the e-mails - the ones that indicate that Joe benefited from Hunter's China deal.
"10 for the big guy"
Translation: I can’t win this argument and/or I know I’m really wrong and just trying to BS you.
He’s sold out America his entire career!
yepp, joe biden is the epitome of the term "swamp rat"
it will be nice to see him go.
Before tRump was 'president' he was sued 1,000s of times, not 100s.
How would he know about this fake story? Russian propaganda? Possible QANon conspiracy theory bought and paid for by Ghouliani and Bannon?
LOL!
That might have worked against Hillary Clinton but it won't work against Joe Biden.
"He’s sold out America his entire career!"
Yes, tRump has.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGdN1GwjkFW/?igshid=j48r7c2inx9i
Can we really go on with a media that is so blatantly bias that it violates every principle of journalism and openly lies and distorts the truth? Did we ever think we would see such a day?
I don't think the average, decent, hard working American citizen has much faith left in the US media's truthfulness or impartiality. And I think the race is much closer than reported
Gee, I get that feeling too.....
ya think? LOL, but it is not close.
hindsight is trump 2020
the silent majority is near twice as large as it was in 2016
besides, having "the polls" say otherwise only works to our advantage so...
I say, let them carry on... push polling does not work.
this election is going to epic
Based on what, exactly? Where do you find these metrics?
not gonna share all my secrets... we just met.. LOL
seriously, if people "knew" what data I used it would corrupt the data.
however, I will still be here in 17 days... we can review
We all read that as you admitting that you have nothing.
You realize that, right?
I realize that is the same thing I hear every 4 yrs,
then.... it changes to "ya just got lucky"
bush1, clinton, bush2, obama, trump. no difference
nothing new
You claimed @3.2.1:
You failed to even weakly support that claim; a perfect belly-flop.
Just more invented nonsense presented as fact.
I'm not interested in supporting my claim... LOL
that would imply I care what people think.
I don't, never have, and never will
Yeah, I am sure everyone reading this knows that; "LOL" and all.
And by continuing to just make bullshit claims, you will find precious few who do not dismiss what you write. So why are you here?
You can't go by any of his WHACK pronouncements.
That's all he's got.
Because you obviously can't.
and 3.2.8
Neither you nor anyone else speak for me, so please leave me out of your collective "we all" and "everyone". Thank you.
Since you wish to be excluded, you have placed yourself in the set of those who believe 8-ball has sources which show the silent majority is nearly twice as large as in 2016 but he cannot reveal his sources because doing so would corrupt the data.
By all means, Jasper, include yourself into that set of believers if you wish. It is your choice on how you wish to present yourself.
Au contraire, TiG, so don't try to pin words on me that I did not say. My comment 3.2.12 merely pointed out that you made two sweeping generalizations and that I did not wish to be included in them. Period.
You are either in the set or you are not.
Do you choose to be in the set of those who believe 8-ball has sources which show the silent majority is nearly twice as large as in 2016 but he cannot reveal his sources because doing so would corrupt the data?
Or do you not wish to be in that set?
Make up your mind 'Jasper'. You decide if you believe 8-ball's bullshit or not. You cannot, however, simultaneously believe and not believe what 8-ball claimed.
You, TiG, are not the arbiter of what I choose to believe or disbelieve. My business is mine, not yours, so STOP harassing me. You are making this personal, and I do not like that.
Who's harassing?
Not Tig.
That is correct, I do not decide what you believe. That is totally up to you. But I can certainly point out contradictions when you express them and ask you to clear things up.
You chose to comment to me and I replied. You continue to reply. Your choice.
So, given you continue to reply ...
Based on what you wrote, you either believe 8-ball has sources which show the silent majority is nearly twice as large as in 2016 but he cannot reveal his sources because doing so would corrupt the data ... or you do not.
One cannot logically believe something and not believe that same something. If you do not wish to clarify that is fine with me, but I am not the one who explicitly stated that she is to NOT be excluded from those who believe 8-ball has sources which show the silent majority is nearly twice as large as in 2016 but he cannot reveal his sources because doing so would corrupt the data.
Hi TiG
I see what you are saying .. yet also see what Jasper is saying .. I did not read that Eight Ball admitting to 'having nothing' .. thus making 'we all' a rather sweeping generalization. I do not have to believe nor disbelieve Eight Ball's claim in order to not read into his comment your claim what 'we all' are reading as having nothing....
: ) hope all is good with you, and that you and yours are staying healthy....
That's because he's trolling. He's hardly likely to admit as much.
Indeed.
What words must someone use to qualify as not being able to back up their claim?:
A perfectly appropriate request by me to back up his extraordinary claim (one that violates all the metrics that I have seen). Instead, he continues to illustrate that he has nothing to offer:
This passes as '8-ball can back up his extraordinary claim'? Who honestly believes that?
If Joe Biden should win, despite all of this, we can be assured of two things: Biden is not going to face any watchdogs in the mainstream media. He will be surrounded by lapdogs. Beyond that, we can say good by to traditional America once and for all.
I'm pretty sure that the MSM includes Bo Erickson, the reporter from CBS who asked the question. If Mr. Erickson didn't like the answer, he is more than welcome to keep asking.
And by the way, this:
is hilarious. There isn't an FBI agent on this planet that would hand over evidence of treasonous wrongdoing to...Rudy Giuliani's lawyer.
Just for the record, I don't like how Biden responded to Mr. Erickson's question. It was a typical Trumpian response, and Joe Biden is better than that.
Who said they did?
I believe a copy of the hard drive was kept by the individual who first notified the FBI, then others to no avail - then eventually he got in touch with Giuliani....Isn't that how it went?
I'm sure we will find out soon because congress wants to know what the FBI was doing with the computer since December. It would have been very useful back then - wouldn't it?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CGc2wgtgNv2/?igshid=u9xduwelf074
Adam Schiff claims Hunter Biden email stories come 'from the Kremlin'
'We know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin.'
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff on Friday described revelations from a slew of emails in a laptop allegedly belonging to Hunter Biden as being part of a smear coming “from the Kremlin” -- amid claims the revelations are part of a Russian disinformation campaign.
“We know that this whole smear on Joe Biden comes from the Kremlin," Schiff said on CNN. "That's been clear for well over a year now that they've been pushing this false narrative about this vice president and his son.”
The California Democrat was responding to questions about the origins of emails, found on a laptop purported to belong to the son of Democratic nominee Joe Biden, and first reported by the New York Post.
Those emails reveal that Hunter Biden purportedly introduced his father to a top executive at Ukrainian energy company Burisma Holdings in 2015, while another appears to reportedly outline a payout for Biden as part of a deal with a Chineseenergy firm.
While Fox News has not independently verified the Post’s reporting, Fox has spoken to one of the people who was copied on the email about the Chinese energy firm, who confirmed its authenticity.
The Bidens' relationship with Ukraine came under special attention last year as House Democrats pursued an impeachment inquiry surrounding President Trump's July 25 call with Ukraine's president, in which Trump asked the president to look into Biden’s dealings in the country.
Trump in recent days has drawn attention to the new revelations from the Post, something that drew criticism from Schiff.
“The origins of this whole smear are from the Kremlin and the president is only too happy to have Kremlin help in trying to amplify it,” he said Friday on CNN.
The Associated Press reported that the FBI is investigating whether the emails are tied to a foreign influence operation, although the exact scope of what was being investigated was not clear.
Schiff was one of the key figures in both the investigation into allegations about Russian interference in 2016 and the 2019 impeachment hearings, and has a history of making dramatic claims about President Trump’s alleged ties to Russia.
The Wall Street Journal editorial board in May accused Schiff of spreading "falsehoods shamelessly about Russia and Donald Trump for three years even as his own committee gathered contrary evidence."...
read more: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/adam-schiff-hunter-biden-email-kremlin
Adam Schiff? Lol!
If Joe Biden should win, despite all of this, we can be assured of two things: Biden is not going to face any watchdogs in the mainstream medi
The truest words ever spoken. We know from the last Democratic President how the media (made up of Democrats) views their role.
It's been 4 days and no denial of this being Hunters e-mails.
Thank you New York Post. I'm sure that there is more coming.
You trust the NY Post?
That's hilarious!
The story won't go away because the Republicans are desperate for another "October Surprise". Yet, whenever I read about it, the Feds are investigating Russia for this story. Russia would love this, since they want their Trump in the White House.
That is what I read. The feds were investigating it for Russian ties.
Who believes Trump would solicit help from Putin?
ME! ME! PICK ME!
OK... YOU! LOL!
They've been investigating Russia for this story?
They have had the computer since December.
Are they hoping Russia is behind it, just like they hoped to find Russia involved with Donald Trump for three years?
Are the e-mails real?
Who does the hard drive belong to?
Simple questions that the already tarnished FBI should have told the Justice Department by now.
It's time to haul Chris Wray before congress and get the answers.
The story won't go away because it appears to be true and it is affecting polling.
So you believe polls when they tell you what you want to hear?
Again, hilarious.
This will not gain one single vote for the 'president', NOT A SINGLE VOTE.
Vic,
The Post hates Biden. What slant do you think they are going to have? And we all know how unreliable the polls are. I don't believe any of them, pro or con.
Here is the AP's take on this story:
WASHINGTON (AP) — A New York tabloid’s puzzling account about how it acquired emails purportedly from Joe Biden’s son has raised some red flags. One of the biggest involves the source of the emails: Rudy Giuliani.
Giuliani has traveled abroad looking for dirt on the Bidens, developing relationships with shadowy figures, including a Ukrainian lawmaker who U.S. officials have described as a Russian agent and part of a broader Russian effort to denigrate the Democratic presidential nominee.
Yet Giuliani says foreign sources didn’t provide the Hunter Biden emails. He says a laptop containing the emails and intimate photos was simply abandoned in a Delaware repair shop and the shop owner reached out to Giuliani’s lawyer.
That hasn’t stopped the FBI from investigating whether the emails are part of a foreign influence operation. The emails have surfaced as U.S. officials have been warning that Russia, which backed Trump’s 2016 campaign through hacking of Democratic emails and a covert social media campaign, is interfering again this year. The latest episode with Giuliani underscores the risk he poses to a White House that spent years confronted by a federal investigation into whether Trump associates had coordinated with Russia.
The Washington Post reported Thursday that intelligence agencies had warned the White House last year that Giuliani was the target of a Russian influence operation. The newspaper, citing four former officials, said that assessment was based on information including intercepted communications showing Giuliani had been in contact with people tied to Russian intelligence.
The newspaper said national security adviser Robert O’Brien had warned Trump that information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia, but that Trump brushed off the warning.
Far from distancing himself from Giuliani, Trump has made the purported Hunter Biden emails one of his main talking points in the final weeks of the campaign as he tries to disparage his Democratic rival.
The Trump-friendly New York Post began publishing stories about the emails Wednesday, saying it had obtained them from the former New York mayor. The newspaper said the emails of Hunter Biden, a California resident, were found in a laptop that had been dropped off for service at a Delaware repair shop by an unidentified man who never picked it up. They said the shop owner turned it over to the FBI, but also made a copy of the hard drive and provided that to Giuliani’s lawyer.
read more at the link...
What does that mean? The New York Times and Washington Post hate Trump. They made common practice of running with stories were based on nothing more than an unnamed source. The latest hit piece from the Times on Trump's taxes don't even have the documents they claim to be quoting from. Yet social medial allowed all of it including the three years of blatant lies about the President being a Russian agent.
And we all know how unreliable the polls are. I don't believe any of them, pro or con.
I'm with ya!
Here is the AP's take on this story:
Perrie, That AP report has a strange way of telling us that Giuliani was the third party to receive the info. The store owner first went to the FBI (the discredited FBI).
From your AP piece:
"That hasn’t stopped the FBI from investigating whether the emails are part of a foreign influence operation."
The FBI had them since December (and they were called about them!). All we need to know from the still untrustworthy FBI is are they real or not.
It's a simple question, Perrie. If they are not - the store owner has committed a fraud. If they are not this whole story can be put to bed.
Why won't the FBI be honest? We know they are above the law! A little honesty would help their reputation.
Vic, that ship sailed 01/20/2017.
Try the day America's fourth largest newspaper was censored on social media.
They are scared to death!
stress kills and joe has been looking a little ghastly lately.
joe needs a long vacation... LOL
seen this yet?
Just another day on the internet Vic. Social media is privately owned, makes their own decisions.
NYP can and has published a lot of litter liners in it's lonnng history.
Isn't the NY Post the equivalent to the National Enquirer?
LOL!
No, they are tired of fake news and disinformation.
The two leftist who run Facebook and Twitter go before congress this Friday. Let's see how long they keep the special privilege that congress gave then in the early 90's.
Not when it comes from the left!!!!!!
that is kind of funny... LOL
trump can put up fake news for 5 yrs....
and now, we get to watch the bidens put up with some real news.
however, unlike trump, my bet is biden can not bear the strain for 5 yrs
All that fake news and disinformation isn't coming from 'the left'
Remember - "Trump colluded with Russia!"
Schiff is spouting that fantasy hallucination again, this time to protect the Bidens.
It took no less than Hillary Clinton to give the world the greatest lie ever told. And if it's not Russian disinformation then it's got to be that a stripper-impregnating, bag man for China could never have left his incriminating laptop in a repair shop!
He did after all leave a crack pipe in a rental car.
Trump colluding with Russia was fake news. Russia actually trying to affect our election was not.
I was never for impeachment. Btw, lock her up was also fake news. So what you have shown is both sides are capable of fake news, which really no one should be surprised about.
Not all of it was fake. Somehow you managed to forget that he actually encouraged Russia by his praise of Putin.
It has hardly been proven to be true, as the AP showed.
He seems to be doing OK so far.
They have been tagging false information from both sides. An example might be helpful Vic.
Indeed. Considering that Hunter's entire life has been immersed in the political sphere, he's repeatedly shown his elitist political status along with a lack of prudence. Hunter's carelessness may very well cost his father the "brass ring" that Joe has wanted for almost 50 years.
And Joe, in efforts to "cover" for his and his son's international greed, is still denying involvement ... with the complicity of MSM.
the AP said huh? Okay then... joe has nothing to worry about... LOL
seriously, joe only wishes these allegations come from unnamed sources.
Newly obtained emails from a Hunter Biden business partner lay out in detail how the Vice President’s son and his colleagues used their access to the Obama-Biden administration to arrange private meetings for potential foreign clients and investors at the highest levels in the White House. These never-before-revealed emails outline how a delegation of Chinese investors and Communist Party officials managed to secure a private, off-the-books meeting with then-Vice President Joe Biden.
No Perrie none of it has been balanced.
An example might be helpful Vic.
Haven't I been hammering away at all those bombshell stories about Trump being a Russian agent for three years?
Those stories went unchallenged and unchecked on Facebook and Twitter.
I really hate to state the obvious!
Two separate issues. Why do progressives always use the latter to defend the abuse of the former?
and Adam Schiff had "direct evidence" of said collusion
Hi Vic, Perrie and everyone... hope all are well
No, they just don't want to distribute russian propaganda.
US spies say the Hunter Biden email controversy shows how 'exploitable' and 'grotesquely vulnerable' Trump and Giuliani are to Russian intelligence
Former spooks told Business Insider that Rudy Giuliani's role in coordinating a widely discredited New York Post story and President Donald Trump's willingness to seize on it highlights how vulnerable they are to being duped by Russian intelligence.
Federal authorities are currently investigating whether purported emails in the story featuring communications between Hunter Biden and a Burisma Holdings executive were part of a foreign influence operation.
Giuliani's access to Trump, the two men's personality traits, their eagerness to obtain dirt on the Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden, and unwillingness to acknowledge Russian interference makes them a goldmine for foreign intelligence services, ex-spies said.
They are "grotesquely vulnerable, exploitable targets" and "any foreign intelligence service would be derelict if they did not try to exploit this," said a former CIA covert operative.
Steve Hall, the CIA's former chief of Russia operations, also said Trump and Giuliani's tendency to traffic in conspiracies and the rise of misinformation in right-wing media mean "we're doing a lot of [Russia's] work for them."
It's amazing how beholden the left is to the Russia card. They don't care if the information is verified, just that they can somehow rant about Russia as if that absolves Biden of wrongdoing.
Does anyone, for a minute, think these people who happily spread actual Russian disinformation about Trump care if the information came from Russia? As they've shown, they'll use actual fake information from Russia if it helps against Trump. Who, for a second, thinks they wouldn't pounce over actual true information obtained from Russian sources about Trump.
The emails are real or they or not, and Biden is not denying they are real.
Verified by who?
LOL!
The GOP-led Senate Homeland Security Committee on Saturday demanded the FBI make known whether the recently discovered whistleblower emails related to Hunter Biden and father Joe Biden, the Democratic presidential nominee, are legitimate.
“The committee must know whether the FBI has assessed the validity of materials the whistleblower has provided," Chairman Sen. Ron Johnson wrote in a letter to FBI Director Christopher Wray.
The Wisconsin Republican set a deadline of Thursday to receive the information.
Johnson, whose committee was already investigating Hunter Biden’s business deals in the Ukraine, particularly his lucrative contact with the Burisma Holding energy company, also states in the letter that his committee was contacted by a whistleblower about a week before The New York Post published the emails Wednesday.
The publishing of the emails, about 20 days before the presidential election, has resulted in speculation about their validity and whether they were acquired by hacking – a possibility, says Twitter, that led the social media platform to temporarily block them from being posted.
The unverified emails appear to show that in 2015 Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top Burisma official shortly before the elder Biden pressured Ukraine government officials into firing a prosecutor who was investigating the company.
The Biden campaign has discredited the report, saying the nominee never has such a meeting and that his involvement in the matter was carried out as "official U.S. policy." His campaign also said the candidate "engaged in no wrongdoing."
The meeting is mentioned in a thank you message that Vadym Pozharskyi, an adviser to the board of Burisma, allegedly sent by Hunter Biden on April 17, 2015, about a year after he joined the Burisma board.
The correspondence appears to contradict what Joe Biden has said about never speaking to his son about his overseas business dealings.
The email and others were reportedly found on a laptop and hard drive left at a repair shop in Biden’s home state of Delaware in April 2019, the store owner says.
In the letter this weekend to Wray, Johnson says the FBI has already denied committee requests for information such as the validity of the whistleblower’s “claims and assertions,” despite the questions being unrelated to a possible grand jury investigation, under which information can be held.
“I have a responsibility to validate and verify the contents of any information produced to my committee,” Johnson writes. “This information is crucial for several reasons. For example, if any information offered to the committee was linked to a foreign adversary’s attempt to interfere in the election.
He also makes the case that providing false information to Congress is a crime and that he would expect the FBI to inform him of such a situation.
Johnson has requested several pieces of information including:
"Just the News"? Really? It might as well be "The Post". My story is from the AP, which is considered to be one of the least biased reporting agencies.
Please stop attacking sources.....the biggest fake source is the New York Times!
without a doubt.
"the biggest fake source is the New York Times!"
That would be the NY Post, Breitbart, Townhall, The Federalist.
Not so much anymore.
February 2017 regarding the AP :
February 1: POTUS Threatens to Invade Mexico
February 2: The House of Representatives’ Gun Control Measures
Then, there's this from 2018 and 2019:
Let's go through this:
From the American Conservative:
So something happened. They were reporting what they had at the time.
Was not entirely wrong, but misleading, even according to your own article.
This is totally misleading. First of all they were not trying to promote hate, unless you think that White Nationalist are good people.
Second, the way it was "reported" was a tweet:
and when they found out they were wrong, they tweeted this:
Fake news is purposeful. This is just trying to get a jump on a story, and getting it wrong, which happens all the time, in real investigative journalism.
Your last one is actually fake news. Here is the actual AP story still standing:
But then again, that story comes from a purveyor of fake news.
So all that we have found out is that on rare occasions the AP gets it wrong. It doesn't mean that they are not trying to do their best in investigative reporting.
But I am not reporting from the NYT. I am reporting from the AP. And sources do matter.
You don't see the irony in your statement?
Priceless.
Why would you deny some ridiculous story? It only gives credence to the story and makes you look guilty.
Sean, at this point, no one cares where the disinformation comes from as long as Trump wins from it. It has been proven that Russia interfered with the last election. Why would we think differently now? Especially since Trump likes anyone who likes him. He has actually said that.
According to John Brennan. Stop using that. The FBI and the Mueller team tried to oust a President. That's far worse than anything any outsider tried to do!
It's the opposite. With third party verification of the emails, he can't risk lying anymore.
s point, no one cares where the disinformation comes from as long as Trump wins from i
You are stealing a base. There is no evidence this is disinformation. The opposite is true, you've had third parties confirm the emails are genuine. Before you claim it's disinformation (the new buzzword) you should actually provide a shred of evidence that the material is fake.
roven that Russia interfered with the last election. Why would we think differently now?
Yes, but the Steele dossier was proven false. The email hacks that were released were real emails. Which does this look more like?
Well Sean, we are going to have to disagree. The Post has not proven their story and the AP is reporting something totally different. The Post is known for it's slant, the AP not so much.
And disinformation is not a new buzz word. It goes back to Stalin, which is the context I used it, since this new information is claimed to be from Russia, who invented the concept.
As for interference in our election, I was not talking about the Steele dossier. I was talking about actual interference vis-à-vis fake news stories like this one.
The AP has not even attempted to disprove this story.
since this new information is claimed to be from Russia,
It's funny how you dismss the emails as "disinformation" even though there's no proof of that and Biden's spokesman, yet again, refused to simply say they aren't real when pressed over it. If it's just "Russian disinformation" why were Hunter Biden's lawyers so eager to get the laptop back?
Yet, despite the reality of what's going on, you continue to assert it's "disinformation" even though there's no evidence to support it.
, I was not talking about the Steele dossier. I was talking about actual interference
So now you are claiming the Steele dossier isn't "fake news" Wow,
Why do you all seem to brush aside that Giuliani was actually talking to Russian agents...
We know that can't be - The FBI would have warned him, right?
Why did you brush aside that the Steele Dossier bought by Democrats was actually fake propaganda from Russia? There's no evidence the documents aren't real at this point.
If Congress wasted more than two years and millions of dollars investigating the President on a completely fraudulent claim of Russian collusion, then the American people deserve to know if these emails are real!
So going to ignore my statement and ask something irrelevant...
They warned donald...
They're not real.
Sometime you have to put it all out there so they read highlight the important parts:
Four former officials familiar with the matter told the Post that the intelligence officers were worried that the president’s personal lawyer was being used to pass Russian misinformation to Trump.
The intelligence community reportedly learned of the campaign through multiple sources, including intercepted communications, that determined Giuliani was communicating with people tied to Russian intelligence during his 2019 trip to Ukraine.
National security adviser Robert O’Brien led efforts to warn Trump about the campaign, saying information provided by Giuliani after trips to Ukraine should be considered to be tainted by Russia, one former official told the newspaper.
The former official told the paper that the message to Trump was,“Do what you want to do, but your friend Rudy has been worked by Russian assets in Ukraine.” The person added the warning was intended to “to protect” the president “from coming out and saying something stupid,” according to the report.
O’Brien reportedly was unsure if his message went through to Trump who “shrugged his shoulders” in response and said, “That’s Rudy.”
Giuliani visited Ukraine in December 2019 amid the impeachment investigation into the president's dealings with the country with a goal to dig up information on now-Democratic nominee Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden previously served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, Burisma.
I ntelligence officers had also provided written warnings to the White House about Giuliani being a target for Russians earlier in 2019 before his trip.
The Post noted that the information Giuliani was looking for was similar to what was included in emails published in the controversial New York Post piece this week. The New York Post said those documents came from a laptop belonging to Hunter Biden that Giuliani and Trump’s former political adviser Stephen Bannon gave to reporters.
The newspaper said it was unable to verify the authenticity of the alleged communications that detailed Hunter Biden.
Several senior administration officials, including Attorney General William Barr , FBI Director Christopher Wray and White House counsel Pat Cipollone “all had common understanding” that Russia was targeting the president’s personal lawyer.
The FBI declined to comment, and the Justice Department did not immediately return a request for comment to The Hill.
He added that O’Brien “can say that the President always treats such briefings with the utmost seriousness. The characterization of the meeting as described in this article is not accurate.”
The former officials told the Post that Giuliani was not under U.S. surveillance while in Ukraine but was talking to alleged Russian intelligence who were being surveilled.
Giuliani told the Post he was never informed that Andriy Derkach, a pro-Russia legislator in Ukraine, was a Russian asset and he “only had secondary information and I was not considering him a witness.”
Derkach, whom Giuliani met with in Ukraine and New York, was sanctioned by the Department of Treasury in September and accused by ODNI of “spreading claims about corruption … to undermine” Biden and the Democratic Party in August.
But the FBI did warn him as my above posting shows.
No, your posting shows that the FBI warned the President about Giuliani being the target of an "influence campaign." Nowhere did they warn Giuliani. Sound familiar?
That is not acceptable. The Post must identify them and provide some details. For three years we've heard this tripe about "Russia" from the msm.
National security adviser Robert O’Brien led efforts to warn Trump about the campaign, saying information provided by Giuliani after trips to Ukraine should be considered to be tainted by Russia, one former official told the newspaper.
Again - Robert O'Brien is named, but it is an unknown source telling this story.
Giuliani visited Ukraine in December 2019 amid the impeachment investigation into the president's dealings with the country with a goal to dig up information on now-Democratic nominee Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden previously served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company, Burisma.
That I believe to be true and based on what the VP announced about getting a prosecutor fired was fair game.
One former official said
Again - that is absolutely nothing. We can't trust that anymore.
The Post noted that the information Giuliani was looking for was similar to what was included in emails published in the controversial New York Post piece this week.
Of course he was - We all know that Hunter was trading on his father's name - does anyone deny that? The point is that the media refused to even cover that story. We are now learning that Joe was lying though his teeth when he said he had no knowledge of Hunter's business dealings and may of also lined his pockets with money from the country that gave us covid.
The FBI declined to comment, and the Justice Department did not immediately return a request for comment to The Hill.
It's very simple - just tell the nation if the e-mails are real!!!!!!!
Giuliani told the Post he was never informed that Andriy Derkach, a pro-Russia legislator in Ukraine, was a Russian asset and he “only had secondary information and I was not considering him a witness. ”
And that I believe. Beyond that the e-mails did not originate with Giuliani. They were reported by a store owner. First to the FBI.
We want the truth and we want it now!
Since you pushed actual Russian propaganda after it was reported fake, why does Guiliani's alleged discussions bother you? There's nothing funnier than watching the Steele Dossier cheerleaders act agasht about Russian involvement. IF it's fake news like the Steele dossier, I'll be the first to say we shouldn't talk about it and will attack any Republican congressman who lies about the emails the way Adam Schiff lied about the Steele dossier.
why doesn't anyone from the Biden campaign or Hunter Biden simply say "these aren't my emails." Easiest thing in the world to do, and would at least create some basis for all the unsupported cries of "fake news. "Trump had no problem denying the fake allegations of the Steele dossier.