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It’s time for the ‘Deplorables’ to become the Unconquerables

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  6 years ago  •  106 comments

By:   Glenn H. Reynolds

It’s time for the ‘Deplorables’ to become the Unconquerables
But when half the population views a government as illegitimate and, in a fundamental sense, hostile, there’s a limit to how far the left can get. Ironically, the one thing that might send the Unconquerables back to their daily routines is the one thing the Democrats won’t be able to manage: showing understanding, concern and respect to working-class America. Too many of today’s Democrats have anchored their self-esteem in feeling superior to other Americans — and to loudly and...

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Democrats won the election, but they don’t seem very happy about it. And with reason: The election failed in its main purpose, which was to shut down the Deplorables.

The Deplorables, in Hillary Clinton’s infamous term, are working- and middle-class people who haven’t bought into the progressive agenda. They’re people who don’t see the rise of the tech oligarchy as a plus, who don’t think “woke” politics makes sense, who have jobs that produce tangible outputs. They’re nearly half the country.






This election was supposed to demoralize them, crushing President Trump and his supporters in a double-digit landslide that would give the Democrats solid control of the White House and Congress — and, with a little judicious court-packing, of the judicial branch, too. The Deplorables would be made to realize that they aren’t in charge, that if they want to ride, they’ll have to (in Barack Obama’s famous words) ride in the back.

Only it didn’t work out that way. The big congressional victories turned into lost House seats for the Democrats. And the presidential election was hardly a crushing victory. For an election to really take, the losers have to admit that they’ve been beaten. And to admit that they’ve been beaten, they have to think they actually lost fair and square. Not many Trump supporters think that.

Leaving aside charges of voter fraud and vote-rigging, there is the undisputable fact that Big Media and Big Tech put not just a thumb, but both hands on the scales to influence the result.

As much as possible, the media ignored the Hunter Biden scandal and Joe Biden’s role in it, first reported in this paper. When blue-check reporters did pay attention, they claimed, falsely and without evidence, that the reports were “Russian disinformation.”

Big Tech shut down the accounts of people who shared the story, and Twitter even blocked sharing the link via direct messages.

The machinations worked, but at a high price: According to a McLaughlin poll, enough Joe Biden voters say they would have changed their votes had they known of the Hunter Biden scandal that they would have produced a solid Trump win. The impression of tech-media-corporate underhandedness will long endure.

So the Deplorables are still around, and they’re still angry. And as long as they’re still around, and still angry, the Democrats can’t actually get what they want.

Trump was elected, remember, because in 2016, the elites had ­already lost their mojo. In the mid-20th century, elites brought us antibiotics, jet planes and trips to the moon. In more recent years, they’ve brought us failed wars, a failed health care reform with a lousy nonfunctioning website and economic policies that benefited the rich at the expense of the middle and working classes.

Getting rid of Trump won’t get rid of that problem, and, in fact, will only make it worse. His army will still be out there — motivated.

Mikhail Kutuzov, the Russian general who administered a crushing defeat to Napoleon, did so by realizing that as long as he kept his army intact, he didn’t have to win flashy victories. And he eventually ground Napoleon’s forces down to a nub. Likewise, so long as the ­Deplorables don’t give up in their opposition, they can’t really be ­defeated. By staying motivated, the Deplorables can become the Unconquerables.

Oh, the Democrats will use every vote-harvesting and media-censoring trick they can manage in ­response. But when half the population views a government as illegitimate and, in a fundamental sense, hostile, there’s a limit to how far the left can get.

Ironically, the one thing that might send the Unconquerables back to their daily routines is the one thing the Democrats won’t be able to manage: showing understanding, concern and respect to working-class America. Too many of today’s Democrats have anchored their self-esteem in feeling superior to other Americans — and to loudly and contemptuously proclaiming that superiority — for a conciliatory policy to work.

Indeed, I expect them to expand their efforts to mock and deplore those on the other side. In doing so, of course, they’ll just help keep the opposition together and focused.

It’s not smart, but it’s almost certainly what the Dems will do. And that will keep the army together for 2022 and 2024.






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JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    6 years ago

Let's just call them the dronedumbasses and be done with it. 

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
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2.2  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  JohnRussell @2    6 years ago

Methinks that would be a mistake. This happens because the ruling class is desperate to deflect attention from itself by setting the people as dogs on themselves. Far better that the public tear each other apart than that they unite to do business with the ruling class.

 
 
 
bugsy
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3  bugsy    6 years ago

get-away-with-whatever.jpg

And if you do smile at a Native American, you are hounded by the leftist media and called a racist over and over.

Good thing several million dollars from left wing loon "media" sources sorta fixed that.

 
 
 
Trotsky's Spectre
Freshman Silent
3.2  Trotsky's Spectre  replied to  bugsy @3    6 years ago

Solipsism, pure and simple.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.3  Gsquared  replied to  bugsy @3    6 years ago
several million dollars

There is no proof of a settlement for several million dollars, or even one million dollars.  It was a confidential settlement.

 
 
 
JBB
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3.3.1  JBB  replied to  Gsquared @3.3    6 years ago

512

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.3.3  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.2    6 years ago

What's wrong?  Isn't Traitor Trump giving you what you need?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Quiet
3.3.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.3.2    6 years ago

You don't want free shit from traitors?  A lot of his deep south supporters are on SNAP and those who got stim checks cashed them.  So how about they return the money and stop accepting SNAP.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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4  Gsquared    6 years ago

  The Trumpist "Resistance"   Oooh, scary... 

                                         512

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5  Ronin2    6 years ago

Before the 2016 election neither side considered me part of the Deplorables. I voted and campaigned for Gary Johnson.

My conservative friends understood why I couldn't stand Trump; and while they thought it was a waste of a vote never rebuked me for my beliefs.

My liberal friends couldn't understand why I couldn't vote for Hillary. I couldn't get it into their heads she stood for nothing I believed in. Her stand on Syria alone was enough to turn me off completely. Last thing I wanted to see was a military pissing match between her and Putin.  Best I got from my leftist friends were "I hope you can convince enough conservatives to vote for Johnson to make a difference for Hillary." 

After the election my conservative friends sympathized with me that with the two most toxic candidates running the Gary Johnson couldn't get even 10% of the vote.

My friends on the left completely lost it. I was suddenly part of the problem. If I would have just voted for Hillary their world would have been fine. I was part of the reason she lost. When I wouldn't jump on the "let the candidate that won the popular vote win"; and "The impeach Trump before he takes office" band wagons- it got completely worse.  Now I was a Trumpster and Deplorable. Didn't matter I can't stand the man.

The Democrats, media, and their TDS suffering followers have done absolutely nothing to change my mind since then.

I will not vote for any Democrat at any level until they grow the fuck back up; and realize that laws (and the protections they provide) apply to everyone. They can't pick and choose when they do or don't. No cracking down on alt right groups; while supporting left wing Brown Shirts (BLM and Antifa) rioting, arson, assault, theft, and murder. Either the law applies to everyone; or no one.

So I guess I am now really one of the Deplorables since I voted for a straight Republican ticket for the first time ever. The lesser of two evils finally won with me. Congrats Democrats, you broke me.

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1  devangelical  replied to  Ronin2 @5    6 years ago

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JohnRussell
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5.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Ronin2 @5    6 years ago

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bugsy
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5.2.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.2    6 years ago

John, I have a serious question for you. What are you going to do with your life once Trump leaves office next month?

You won't be able to post constant "I hate Trump" allegations with never any proof anymore.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @5.2.1    6 years ago

Sorry to hear that's your idea of a serious question. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.5  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.4    6 years ago
If his legal battles in the courts fail, ...

If?   Delusional.

... President Trump, who has not yet conceded the 2020 election, ...

Malignant narcissism

... said he may consider running for president again in 2024.

What level of sycophantic mind is required for someone to vote for this narcissistic asshole given the divisive behavior he has shown — especially after losing the election?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.6  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.5    6 years ago
who has not yet conceded

You talking about Stacy Abrams? The same Stacy Abrams who runs a get out the vote PAC that is under federal investigation?

THAT person who has not yet conceded.....two years later?

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.7  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.6    6 years ago
THAT person who has not yet conceded.....two years later?

How can you possibly not recognize the problem with Trump's petulant and divisive refusal to accept the results of this election and instead try to deflect to someone else?

At this point, how can you not be mortified to try to defend (as feeble as that was) Trump's continued 'election fraud' con?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.8  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.7    6 years ago

So you can't respond to the question, so you have to project something you know nothing of.

I think Trump should concede and if his health is still good in 4 years, come back and run again. It is fairly certain Biden admin policies will fail, Biden himself will probably bow out due to "health challenges", and "heels up" will take the helm, further taking the country down a destructive socialist black hole.

That will be the best recipe for a Trump return.....or at least a Republican with similar views on the success of the country. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.10  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.8    6 years ago
So you can't respond to the question, so you have to project something you know nothing of.

You deflected from Trump.    Blatant projection on your part to bizarrely try to claim I am the one projecting by not chasing your deflection.

I think Trump should concede and if his health is still good in 4 years, come back and run again.

Given how crappy Trump behaves – especially now – you would vote for this narcissistic asshole??

It is fairly certain Biden admin policies will fail, Biden himself will probably bow out due to "health challenges", and "heels up" will take the helm, further taking the country down a destructive socialist black hole.

You seem so certain of Biden – so certain of the future – yet you cannot recognize Trump for the narcissistic con-man that he has always been?   I certainly can appreciate how someone would be wary of the Biden administration, but to actually want divisive, malignant narcissist Trump (versus all the other possible R candidates) is incredible.   

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.11  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.9    6 years ago
Trump seems to be following that model quite well.

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You are making a good argument against Trump.    Bizarre.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.12  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.10    6 years ago
Given how crappy Trump behaves – especially now – you would vote for this narcissistic asshole

Again...projection of something you know nothing of. I never said I would vote for him, I just said that if he is in good health, he should run again.

You seem so certain of Biden

About as certain as the left claiming, for 4 years, that Trump is a Russian agent and did a quid pro quo to Ukraine...never with any proof.

Only difference is there is proof of collusion between China and Biden and a quid pro quo of Joe on video.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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5.2.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.9    6 years ago

Just as Jackson had his Trail Of Tears, so does Trump...The CV.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.2.14  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.12    6 years ago
I never said I would vote for him, I just said that if he is in good health, he should run again.

I agree, you did write that:

Bugsy @ 5.2.8 ☞ I think Trump should concede and if his health is still good in 4 years, come back and run again .

You are clearly against Biden and want Trump to run again but not so that you can vote for him .  jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif    So you want him to compete with the person you would vote for??   Collect your thoughts and figure out what you are trying to communicate.    Also, Google psychological projection because clearly you have no clue what that term means.

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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5.2.15  1stwarrior  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.2.13    6 years ago

Paula - think you need to rethink your comment.  Jackson was an intentional genocide over a peoples.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.16  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.14    6 years ago
You are clearly against Biden and want Trump to run again but not so that you can vote for him .     So you want him to compete with the person you would vote for??

Yes, because during a presidential election, only ONE person runs during the primaries and no one else is allowed, so I have no other choice but vote for Trump if he runs s/.

I am not part of the democratic party, where your candidates are hand picked for you by the leftist elite.

We conservatives make our own independent decisions.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.17  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.16    6 years ago
Yes, because during a presidential election, only ONE person runs during the primaries and no one else is allowed, so I have no other choice but vote for Trump if he runs

Compare now to:

Bugsy @5.2.12 ☞ I never said I would vote for him, I just said that if he is in good health, he should run again.

Figure out your position before you write a post.   We can only go by what you write.

I am not part of the democratic party, where your candidates are hand picked for you by the leftist elite.

I am not a D either.   You should stop presuming, you do it poorly.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.18  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.17    6 years ago
Yes, because during a presidential election, only ONE person runs during the primaries and no one else is allowed, so I have no other choice but vote for Trump if he runs s/.

This is my original post

Yes, because during a presidential election, only ONE person runs during the primaries and no one else is allowed, so I have no other choice but vote for Trump if he runs

This what you copied and pasted to try and get one on me.

See the difference?

You failed. There is no difference between my posts from 5.2.7 and 5.2.16. Of course you being a member of the same party of the media, it is no wonder you try and parse words to fit your narrative, no matter how wrong you knew you were.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.19  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.18    6 years ago

You cannot comprehend that ‘vote for’ is different from ‘not vote for’?    

Obviously, since you are contradicting yourself and pretending otherwise, you are just trolling.   Also obvious is that you would indeed vote for Trump, just as I surmised in my original post @5.2.10.    

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.20  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.19    6 years ago
Also obvious is that you would indeed vote for Trump, just as I surmised in my original post @5.2.10.    

Thanks for the continuous personal attacks, but since your insight is aligned with the D's here, they will never get deleted, but that's OK.

As far as me voting for Trump, you can take your BS elsewhere. You have no idea who ANYBODY will vote for.

Just because the left have their candidates picked for them does not mean they can pick the candidates for the right also.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.21  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.20    6 years ago
As far as me voting for Trump, you can take your BS elsewhere.

Yeah, you want Trump to run in 2024, you state that you would have ' no other choice but to vote for him ' if he did run in 2024, but you deem it BS for someone to conclude that means you would vote for Trump in 2024.

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What is the point of contradicting yourself ... how does that benefit you in any way?

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.22  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.21    6 years ago

I think you need to read that post again and look for the little /s at the end of it.

What's the point of you arguing something never said...how does that benefit you in any way?jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.23  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.22    6 years ago
I think you need to read that post again and look for the little /s at the end of it.

/s is not magic dust that fixes a blatant contradiction.    You are really grasping at thin straws.

Amazing that you would actually vote for the malignant narcissist Trump in 2024.    No matter how absurd the man's behavior in his petulant denial of his loss, you still would actually want to see him as PotUS.    Trump might be right about one thing, some of his supporters will follow him no matter what he does.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.26  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.24    6 years ago

As I noted upfront, you are making a great argument against Trump with Jackson.   Bizarre that you do not see this.

The 1892 campaign is not a model, it simply is the one historical example of a PotUS winning a second non-consecutive term.   If Trump were to run and win in 2024 then he would be the second.   We do not need the 1892 election to show that this is possible, I do not see anyone suggesting it is unconstitutional for Trump to run in 2024.   So your point is pointless.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.27  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.25    6 years ago

Non sequitur.   Has nothing to do with the comment to which you replied.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.2.28  bugsy  replied to  TᵢG @5.2.23    6 years ago

I'm done arguing something that I never said. Many liberals are good at arguing things someone never said. That's why they normally end up in rabbit holes they can't get out of...that's a hint

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.29  TᵢG  replied to  bugsy @5.2.28    6 years ago
I'm done arguing something that I never said.

You never actually argued anything.   All you have done is make contradictory statements soaked in juvenile attitude.   You started by equivocating on voting for Trump and then later affirmed that you would indeed vote for Trump.  

Amazing that you would actually vote for the malignant narcissist Trump in 2024.    No matter how absurd and divisive the man's behavior in his petulant denial of his loss, you still would actually want to see him as PotUS.    Trump might be right about one thing, some of his supporters will follow him no matter what he does.

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
5.2.31  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.30    6 years ago

If someone engages in snarky intellectually dishonest tactics with me, I will relentlessly expose the tactics.

Clearly you did not read what was written;  this had nothing to do with religion or conservative ideology but rather the bizarre notion that someone would actually want to vote for Trump in 2024 given how clearly he has exposed his malignant narcissism since the election.

Buy a vowel.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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5.3  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Ronin2 @5    6 years ago
So I guess I am now really one of the Deplorables since I voted for a straight Republican ticket

No, that does not make you a "deplorable". The term was narrowly defined specifying those who were "racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamophobic". So if you think you fit any of those categories, then perhaps you fit the description, but simply voting Republicans doesn't make you deplorable at all.

The lesser of two evils finally won with me

Neither party are perfect, that's for sure. The parties are filled on both sides with vindictive bitter angry greedy humans who want, above all else, to stay in, or reclaim, power. But I think to claim Republicans are the lesser of the two evils is only possible if you accept the right wing narrative about Democrats and the left which, much like the left wing narrative about Republicans, is likely half full of shit. So if you're willing to just accept 100% of the right wing narrative and believe Democrats are evil then so be it, but you're still not a deplorable as defined by Hillary during the 2016 campaign.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @5    6 years ago

Ronin,

Oddly enough, we have some similarities but came to a different conclusion. 

I too voted for Gary Johnson. I thought that Hillary acted like the heir apparent and I thought Trump was unfit for the job. btw.. my opinions have not changed one bit. 

My liberal friends rolled their eyes, but they didn't criticize me. I got the same reaction from my friends who voted for Trump. 

Two years into the presidency is when I was seeing things that I couldn't stand from Trump. When I expressed my concerns to my friends who voted for Trump they would freak out on me when I disagreed with them. I found this disturbing. Have to say that my liberal friends agreed with me, so obviously their reaction was not the same. My only mental note was that their hate for Trump was far more intense than I had. I lost total respect for him during the pandemic. It became obvious that all he cared about was how the pandemic was going to affect him, and not the people he governed.

My take away about the parties. Now remember I am an independent, so put that into the equation. I have found that most libertarians ( I am assuming you are since you were active in Johnson's campaign), tend to lean right. So you see fault more in the Dems. I see fault in both parties. They are both hypocritical. They serve the party and to make sure they are in power. You can not blame both the not cracking down on far right groups and also the far left on the same party. We had one party leading the nation and the other party leading on a more local level. If there is blame, there is blame all the way around. 

And I never liked that term "Deplorables". It's not one I would ever use. These tags that are assigned to groups have gotten out of hand. But in a world that has become about "Us" against "Them" I guess it fits right in. 

Americans have one thing in common, the Constitution. When we forget that, then we have lost our way. When we forget that we are all the same when it comes to life and death, then we have lost our way. When we call only our side good and the other side bad, then we have lost our way. 

We have lost our way.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.4    6 years ago

You do not understand the through line connection between white grievance and the rise of Donald Trump. Until you do you will be missing perspective on all this. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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5.4.2  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.1    6 years ago

That comment shows you don’t have a clue about trump’s rise in popularity.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Gazoo @5.4.2    6 years ago

LOL

Donald Trump's entire political career is based on racism. Everyone with a brain knows that. 

 
 
 
Gazoo
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5.4.4  Gazoo  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    6 years ago

That is a completely moronic statement. 

 
 
 
Gsquared
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5.4.7  Gsquared  replied to  Texan1211 @5.4.5    6 years ago
Where do you get this type of stuff from?

Right from Trump's mouth.

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.4.9  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.4.3    6 years ago
Donald Trump's entire political career is based on racism.

Again a comment with zero proof. Why? Because there is none.....your feelings don't count.

 
 
 
cjcold
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5.4.11  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @5.4.9    6 years ago

And here I thought his entire life was based on greed, hate and fear.

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4.13  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.4    6 years ago

Sorry, I am not a Libertarian. I am an independent fiscal conservative. 

I have voted for the best individual regardless of party. I made the mistake of voting for Bill Clinton second term; that was the last time I voted for an Establishment candidate for President.  However for Senate, Congress, and Judges I still vote for Democrats and Republicans.

I campaigned for Gary Johnson because I couldn't stand Hillary Clinton or Trump! You don't know how difficult that was for me. I am not a person to try and force my views on others; which is the reason I had a very diverse set of friends. Better still I hate talking to strangers. I am not the type of person to walk up to anyone I don't know and start a conversation. I did both of those things. Admittedly I mostly just handed out fliers and told people where to go on his website; and answered general questions they had about his positions. But for me that was very hard. I will never waste my time doing that again. We can choke to death on our two party Establishment system.

They are both hypocritical. They serve the party and to make sure they are in power.

I agree with you on this part. I will go on to add they serve those elites that give them campaign money and free "perks" that further enrich them both in and when they are out of office. Neither party has our best interests at heart.

You can not blame both the not cracking down on far right groups and also the far left on the same party.  We had one party leading the nation and the other party leading on a more local level. If there is blame, there is blame all the way around. 

Sure I can. Trump sent in federal forces to quell the riots in Portland and Chicago. Alt right groups were cracked down at the federal level as well; otherwise the morons that were plotting to kidnap and kill Whitless of Michigan would have been given a free pass. Democratic mayors and governors took photo ops and with BLM and Antifa- they listened to their demands enabling them; and ranted against federal forces being sent to their cities. The Democrats didn't give the alt right groups that came to their cities the same warm welcome. Biden didn't open his yap until those alt groups came either; before calling for "calm" on all sides.

And I never liked that term "Deplorables". It's not one I would ever use. These tags that are assigned to groups have gotten out of hand. But in a world that has become about "Us" against "Them" I guess it fits right in. 

I have kind of gotten used to being a Deplorable. It just gives me another reason to be turned off to the left and Democrats. It backs up my belief that they are unfit to lead at any level. I don't trust the Republicans for a second; and will call them out on anything I don't agree with. But that is the problem with the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.

Americans have one thing in common, the Constitution. When we forget that, then we have lost our way. When we forget that we are all the same when it comes to life and death, then we have lost our way. When we call only our side good and the other side bad, then we have lost our way. 

But you ask any two Americans what the Constitution means and chances are they will tell you something vastly different. That is a very big part of the problem. It no longer means the same thing to all people.

We have lost our way.

Yes, we have; and we all disagree on how we are going to find it again. Trump wasn't the answer; and going back to the same old same old with Biden definitely will not be the answer.  No viable third party exists; so we are at a dead end.

I apologize if I come off as harsh in any way towards you. I actually respect you; your beliefs; and the calm rational way you present them. Even if I do sometimes disagree with them. It is a rarity these days for me to say that.

I am sick of Trump, the sooner he disappears the better. I am already sick of Biden, and his scummy kid Hunter (They may be guilty of everything the Democrats accused the Trump clan of). I am sick of Democrats and Republicans. I am really, really sick of this pandemic! I even miss the white knuckle road rage inducing driving to and from my job every day.  Working from home has gotten very stale.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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5.4.14  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Ronin2 @5.4.13    6 years ago

Hi Ronin,

I consider myself an independent that is more social liberal but fiscally conservative. I have voted for both parties. I voted for Bush, Clinton, Bush (the second time), Obama (the second time) and Johnson since I really hated our choices. I agree with you about forcing your views on others. I think that good discourse is what we all should be engaging in.

Sure I can. Trump sent in federal forces to quell the riots in Portland and Chicago. Alt right groups were cracked down at the federal level as well; otherwise the morons that were plotting to kidnap and kill Whitless of Michigan would have been given a free pass. Democratic mayors and governors took photo ops and with BLM and Antifa- they listened to their demands enabling them; and ranted against federal forces being sent to their cities. The Democrats didn't give the alt right groups that came to their cities the same warm welcome. Biden didn't open his yap until those alt groups came either; before calling for "calm" on all sides.

While I don't agree with how Portland in particular handled their rioters, I also feel that Trump overstepped when he sent the forces in there. That is up to the state gov. and there was no request. If say Biden did that, everyone who didn't like him, would be screaming anti-constitutional, which it is. And Trump holding up a Bible to quell the situation was just as lame as the mayors who had photo ops. Finally, it was not Biden's place to say anything at the time. He wasn't even President-elect. 

I have kind of gotten used to being a Deplorable. It just gives me another reason to be turned off to the left and Democrats. It backs up my belief that they are unfit to lead at any level. I don't trust the Republicans for a second; and will call them out on anything I don't agree with. But that is the problem with the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.

I hate terms like "Deplorables", "TDS", etc. I think that they are to divide. And look you are turned of to a whole party for the words of one woman. But Hillary is not all the Dems, just like Trump is not all the Republicans. There are good people in both parties. Hopefully, we begin to drift back to the center. Trust is earned... but you are right...

the lesser of two evils, they are still evil.
But you ask any two Americans what the Constitution means and chances are they will tell you something vastly different. That is a very big part of the problem. It no longer means the same thing to all people.

I agree, and a big part of that is that Civics is no longer taught in school and American History on a more advanced level, is an elective for smart kids. They should be mandatory classes for all. (That is the teacher in me talking).

I do think we need a viable third party or more... otherwise, it's meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

And don't worry about your tone. I understand your frustration. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.4.15  Ronin2  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @5.4.14    6 years ago
While I don't agree with how Portland in particular handled their rioters, I also feel that Trump overstepped when he sent the forces in there. That is up to the state gov. and there was no request.

Trump sent in troops to protect federal property from vandalism and destruction. He acted way too late IMO. Of course had I been POTUS Portland, Chicago, Seattle, and the rest would have been allowed to destroy themselves. Any bill coming from Congress sending them federal tax dollars to fix the self made disasters would have been vetoed. The judges, federal officers, and anyone needing to use those facilities would have to live with the burned out destroyed husks. I would constantly remind everyone who was responsible as well.

If say Biden did that, everyone who didn't like him, would be screaming anti-constitutional, which it is.

I wouldn't have if he was protecting federal property. Federal property doesn't belong to the state or the city. It belongs to the federal government- meaning all of us.

And Trump holding up a Bible to quell the situation was just as lame as the mayors who had photo ops.

Never let a good crisis go to waste. Trump was truly a Democrat before switching sides. He memorized their playbook. It was red meat for his hard right religious followers; and red meat for the opposition rioters.

Finally, it was not Biden's place to say anything at the time. He wasn't even President-elect. 

Actually, it was. As a political figure; and one running for a position of power, his words carry power with those that follow him. IMO in the debates the Democratic candidates should have been raked over the coals repeatedly to give their exact positions on the riots; and what they would do to stop them. (Appeasement obviously isn't working).

 
 
 
Thomas
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6  Thomas    6 years ago

Last I heard, Hillary did not get elected.

 
 

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