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The Last Hurrah

  
By:  Vic Eldred  •  3 years ago  •  148 comments


The Last Hurrah
Violence and vandalism have no place in our country and no place in our movement.

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Last night we may have heard the last speech Donald Trump will ever give. The speech was filmed and released by the President. He no longer has social media accounts.  The film was provided to the American public by whatever news outlets cared to cover the speech. Donald Trump was never a model of good behavior, but in his final act he at least does what is needed for the good of the nation - he forcefully told his followers not to participate in any violent protests.




Maybe an apology to Mike Pence and a thank you for his loyal and virtuous service to the nation might also be in order?


Why was it so important?

The Federal Bureau of Investigation has warned that armed protests are planned for every state capitol from Jan. 16 until at least Jan. 20 as well as the U.S. Capitol. I have recently read that this is supposedly the work of the Boogaloo movement (gun-toting extremists who advocate for a second civil war). It is simply one more extremist group that has come to prominence via the nation's great divide. After all, does anyone seriously think the country would be at peace with no violence if Donald Trump had won? 

Those barricades in DC were built for the expected violence from antifa & BLM had Trump won. We will also need the president-elect to also step up to the plate and do as he promised - unite us. That means speaking to his own supporters, the way Trump did with his and telling them that violence will not be tolerated and is unacceptable.


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Vic Eldred
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1  author  Vic Eldred    3 years ago

Please note: There was no reference to impeachment or any other grievance in the President's final speech.

We found a step above rock bottom.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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1.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago

Just heard on the radio that the National Mall will be closed on inauguration day out of safety concerns.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @1.1    3 years ago

And hotels & motels are closed. We have more troops there than in Iraq and Afghanistan. 

Four years ago the media shrugged it off when antifa brutalized DC.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.2  Tessylo  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 years ago
"And hotels & motels are closed. We have more troops there than in Iraq and Afghanistan."

Thanks to the 'president' led mob siege on the Capitol

Who are also planning more domestic terrorism at all state capitols and DC on January 17th.

 
 
 
devangelical
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1.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @1.1.2    3 years ago

it's amazing what extremes a pathetic loser will go to in order to claim his inauguration crowd was larger.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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1.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 years ago
Four years ago the media shrugged it off when antifa brutalized DC.

Hell, they burned DC this summer and the left didn't care.  There's no pretense to fairness, justice or consistency in any of this.  Vote for Congress to  overturn the election in 2000, 2004 and 2016? Cool beans, you can even manage the impeachment of a President for wanting to do the same thing.  But if you do the same thing as a Republican? Corporate media will demand your career is ended.  Egg on continuing violence and pay for terrorists to get out jail? You get to be elected VP as a Democrat! Talk at a protest that turns violent? If you are associates with the right wing, the left's commissars will destroy your career. If you are an elected democratic politician? No one cares.

This is all just the exercise of raw power to punish ideological enemies. And when the government,  multi-national corporations and the media work in lockstep together to  enforce ideological conformity, speaking out becomes a risk. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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1.1.5  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.4    3 years ago
And when the government,  multi-national corporations and the media work in lockstep together to  enforce ideological conformity, speaking out becomes a risk. 

It is called Fascism.  How do people survive under Fascism or Communism or any authoritarian state?

Answer: They live normally by not speaking on anything political nor utter anything that would counter the will of the State. Allan Bloom called it the "Closing of the American mind", I prefer the monastery of the mind. We simply shut our mouths, do as we are told and we get by.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1.1.1    3 years ago
Four years ago the media shrugged it off when antifa brutalized DC.

Why do you continue to make demonstrable FALSE statements Vic. EVERY MSM outlet covered the 2016 post inauguration protest in DC.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @1.1.3    3 years ago

In the clip at 3:20

"I gotta tell you, in the movies I've seen, the hoards of peoples with pitchforks, are usually the bad guys"

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.1.8  Tessylo  replied to  Sean Treacy @1.1.4    3 years ago

That same old shtick.  Yawn. . .

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.2  pat wilson  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago
We found a step above rock bottom.

That's what you're proud of ? What an achievement !!!  /s

 
 
 
Tessylo
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1.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    3 years ago

Scraped the bottom of the barrel also obviously

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  pat wilson @1.2    3 years ago

The key to happiness is low expectations

 
 
 
pat wilson
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1.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.2    3 years ago

That's what the gurus say, lol.

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    3 years ago
Those barricades in DC were built for the expected violence from antifa & BLM had Trump won.

What 'barricades in DC' are you talking about Vic? 

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.2  Dulay  replied to    3 years ago

Oh and don't forget the wearing of black. DC prosecutors have claimed in indictments  that the very act of wearing black is evidence that one has the intent to riot. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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1.3.3  Trout Giggles  replied to  Dulay @1.3    3 years ago
What 'barricades in DC' are you talking about Vic? 

The ones the mob pushed thru

 
 
 
Dulay
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1.3.4  Dulay  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.3.3    3 years ago

BLM protested in front of the WH, NOT the Capitol. Perhaps that's why Vic can't seem to find them...

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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2  JohnRussell    3 years ago

Like all Trump speeches , this one is worthless for one obvious reason. He is a serial liar and one can never be sure if he is telling the truth or being sincere.

It is remarkable and a black mark on America that such a person ever got so far in politics. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

Yes John, it is sad. He finally got it on his way out the door. He could've been (almost) as great as he thinks he is. 

I'll gladly accept all of his policies & achievements.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
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2.1.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

He hasn't "got it".  He made it through a day without destroying something.  He should get a medal?  He should resign.

 
 
 
Dulay
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2.1.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

WHAT did Trump 'get' Vic? Please DO be specific. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.1.3    3 years ago
"WHAT did Trump 'get' Vic? Please DO be specific." 

Revenge for this massive witch hunt that started the day the 'president' went down the escaltor?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.5  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago

I’ll accept them as well.  MAGA!  

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.6  Gordy327  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1    3 years ago
He finally got it on his way out the door.

4 years too late!

He could've been (almost) as great as he thinks he is. 

No. He only thinks he's great. Most narcissists do.

I'll gladly accept all of his policies & achievements.

Not everyone has such low standards. Maybe that's why Trump didn't get reelected. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  Gordy327 @2.1.6    3 years ago

"Not everyone has such low standards. Maybe that's why Trump didn't get reelected."

At least 7 million more had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher standards.

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.1.8  Gordy327  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.7    3 years ago
At least 7 million more had MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH higher standards.

At least that's something.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2  Split Personality  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

The POTUS has two speech modes.

Animated, firey and off the cuff - whether he is lying or not he comes across as sincere.

or      Stiff, wooden, script reading, like he'd rather be anywhere else and totally unbelievable.

That's what we got last night, an appropriate speech written by staffers or Jared

which the President barely emoted through to the end.

 
 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.1  devangelical  replied to  Split Personality @2.2    3 years ago

... an unwanted chore that needed to be attended to in an attempt to save face, like melania.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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2.2.2  Split Personality  replied to  devangelical @2.2.1    3 years ago

"Rumor has it"  that Jared told him to "Save the brand".

 
 
 
TᵢG
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2.2.3  TᵢG  replied to  Split Personality @2.2.2    3 years ago

Too late.

 
 
 
devangelical
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2.2.4  devangelical  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.3    3 years ago

no doubt. it's also evident the POS couldn't care less about his kids in the future.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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2.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @2.2.3    3 years ago

Yeah...I think the brand is a wee bit tarnished these days

 
 
 
Gordy327
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2.3  Gordy327  replied to  JohnRussell @2    3 years ago

Even part of his speech remains divisive, despite any calls for peace.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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3  Tessylo    3 years ago

"Those barricades in DC were built for the expected violence from antifa & BLM had Trump won."

Really?  Well look what happened WHEN HE LOST?

SMDH

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @3    3 years ago
antifa & BLM

oh, eek. barely enough bandwidth available to list all the domestic terrorist groups associated with mister single term, twice impeached, yet to be numbered convict, loser.

 
 
 
Kavika
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4  Kavika     3 years ago

Home Depot co-founder and major GOP donor Ken Langone says he feels 'betrayed' by Trump after Capitol riots

Seems that some of his big donors have seen the light.

 
 
 
pat wilson
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4.1  pat wilson  replied to  Kavika @4    3 years ago

Ooh pobrecito Langone !

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5  TᵢG    3 years ago

Sincere or not, it is good that he did this.   The nutcases among his supporters need to hear from their demigod that they need to cease and desist.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1  JohnRussell  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 years ago

There may be some truth in what you say. However, there are Trump supporters who believe that Trump has to speak in coded messages that only they understand. There are fears , expressed by FBI Director Wray yesterday, that Q Anon may be planning violence around the time of the inauguration. I'm not sure Q Anon people, or other Trump extremists , will be persuaded by his speech last night. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.1  TᵢG  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    3 years ago

A speech cannot cure crazy.    Every group has its lunatic fringe.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.2  Split Personality  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    3 years ago

In evidence every day...

 
 
 
TᵢG
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5.1.3  TᵢG  replied to  Split Personality @5.1.2    3 years ago

And even for all of us to witness locally.

 
 
 
Split Personality
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5.1.4  Split Personality  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.3    3 years ago

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devangelical
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5.1.5  devangelical  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    3 years ago

I'm not worried. after a few dozen funerals, Qanon, 3pers, and oath breakers will lose interest in being revolutionaries.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.6  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    3 years ago

You're the best!

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.7  Tessylo  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    3 years ago

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.8  Dulay  replied to  TᵢG @5.1.1    3 years ago
A speech cannot cure crazy.  

Yet a speech sure as hell can inflame it.   

Every group has its lunatic fringe.

The far right 'lunatic fringe' has been embraced by Trump. Just look at his election rallies. There are Q signs all over the place. Trump invited the Chairman of the Proud Boys to the WH. Trump cheered on armed 'protests' in cities all over the country. After the election, Trump did a drive by for the DC rally where swastikas and the Southern Cross were prominent. 

There is NO both sides to that. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.9  Dulay  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    3 years ago

Or they could be further 'radicalized' by the 'martyrdom' of 'true believers'. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.10  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  devangelical @5.1.5    3 years ago

I'm sure.  That's how it works in the progressive state - praise for BLM & antifa and bullets for anyone who riots for the wrong agenda.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    3 years ago
That's how it works in the progressive state

Isn't that what Trump called for Vic? Have you already forgotten 'When the looting starts, the shooting starts'? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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5.1.12  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @5.1.11    3 years ago

It should but the progressives have reserved that for their opponents.

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.1.13  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.12    3 years ago

Nope, Trump cornered the market...

BTW, deflect much? 

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.14  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    3 years ago

with covid closing in on 400K dead americans by inauguration day, due to trump's incompetence, we could use a lost more organ donors. time to cull the herd of sedition, and harvesting organs from those the most ignorant of the constitution is the most logical choice. the ones that are way beyond ripe can go straight to the woodchipper. /s

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
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5.1.15  Trout Giggles  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1    3 years ago

384

 
 
 
devangelical
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5.1.16  devangelical  replied to  Vic Eldred @5.1.10    3 years ago
bullets for anyone who riots for the wrong agenda.

most definitely. lots of bullets for insurrectionists and domestic terrorists.

 
 
 
Ender
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5.2  Ender  replied to  TᵢG @5    3 years ago

He was made to do it, against his will, by the deep state....

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Ender @5.2    3 years ago

I can hear his sycophants saying just that. 

'They' made him do it.' 'Trump didn't mean it.' 'On the morning of Jan. 20, we will take our country back and Keep America Great with Trump!' 

Bunch of entitled, delusional mother fuckers. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6  Tessylo    3 years ago

We don't thank a 'president' for putting out the flames, when he started the fire in the first place and then poured gasoline on it.  

 
 
 
Ender
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6.1  Ender  replied to  Tessylo @6    3 years ago

Having Rudy get people riled up, Don Jr getting the crowd riled up.

They were hyping them up saying they are going to take the country back.

Hyped them up like they were at a wrestling match, then sit back and say, have fun storming the castle kids...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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6.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @6.1    3 years ago

Don, Jr., LOL, did you hear, they're looking into misappropriation of campaign funds regarding Don, Jr..

Bunch of crooks.  .  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7  Jasper2529    3 years ago
We will also need the president-elect to also step up to the plate and do as he promised - unite us. That means speaking to his own supporters

Biden has already failed. He broke his campaign promise of "unity" by:

  • comparing his political opponents to Nazis
  • pulling the race card
  • not forcefully dissuading Pelosi et al from their impeachment obsessions

He has also been silent during many months of the left wing's BLM and Antifa riots, looting, arson, and murders.

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago

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Ender
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7.2  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago

Oh bullshit. He was talking about the people storming the capitol.

Of course you know this, just trying to use a generalization.

Pay no attention to all the nasty things donald has said over the last five years and attack Biden for not having unity when he has not even taken the office yet...

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.2.1  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @7.2    3 years ago
Pay no attention to all the nasty things donald has said over the last five years

Is this going to be the standard response for the next 4 years regarding any criticism of Biden....but Trump?  

I am afraid so.  

Nothing in the comment is not true.  Biden is failing at even his weak attempt to unite the country.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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7.2.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.1    3 years ago

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Ender
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7.2.3  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.1    3 years ago

No, my standard response will be to show the utter hypocrisy in some.

On display now.

Biden can try to unite all he wants, we all know by some of the responses here, some will never let it happen.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.2.4  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @7.2.3    3 years ago
Biden can try to unite all he wants

Excuses are already being used. 

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.5  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.4    3 years ago

Nope. Condemnation is what is already being used.

Condemnation before the man even steps foot in the Whitehouse.

 
 
 
TᵢG
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7.2.6  TᵢG  replied to  Ender @7.2.5    3 years ago

Pure partisan 'thinking' ... the crux of divisiveness.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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7.2.7  Sunshine  replied to  Ender @7.2.5    3 years ago

Yeah ok.  The poor man.  jrSmiley_90_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.8  Ender  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.7    3 years ago

You know, I don't like Pence and I think he would have enacted the same agenda as donald, butt, at least I think he would have acted Presidential.

Some on the other hand, would blindly fight others because...

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7.2.10  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @7.2    3 years ago
He was talking about the people storming the capitol.

If what you claim is true, then Biden's cognitive disability is worse than we've seen before. He believes that Senators Hawley and Cruz are Nazis.

President-elect  Joe Biden  said Friday that Sens.  Ted Cruz , R-Texas, and Josh Hawley, R-Mo., should be "flat beaten" in their next elections for their part in spreading "the big lie," a term the senators said was an effort to cast them as Nazis. 

"The American public has a real good clear look at who they are," Biden said. "They’re part of the big lie, the big lie." 

"The Big Lie" was a term coined in Nazi Germany. "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it," Joseph Goebbels, Reich minister of propaganda of Nazi Germany, once said. 

Here's Goebbels' full quote. Interestingly enough, it perfectly describes the confirmed lies and crimes of the Obama/Biden Administration:

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State .”

 
 
 
Gordy327
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7.2.11  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @7.2.6    3 years ago

That way of thinking seems to be the only way some people think. Of course, it's actually more along the lines of non thinking than actual thought.

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.12  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.10    3 years ago

Oh please. We all know what he is talking about.

The big lie that the election was stolen.

Still waiting on all this proof...

Talk about reaching...

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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7.2.13  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.10    3 years ago

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Ender
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7.2.14  Ender  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @7.2.13    3 years ago

The nazis were storming the capitol.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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7.2.15  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Ender @7.2.3    3 years ago
Biden can try to unite all he wants

Starting with his victory speech:

"And yet Biden's actual remarks were anything but unifying. Among the "great battles of our time" that Biden has now been called to fight, he said, was the still unaccomplished goal of "root[ing] out systemic racism in this country." That "systemic racism" is presumably underwritten by millions of white Americans who continue to prevent "racial justice," in Biden's words. They are the ones who represent what Biden called "our darkest impulses," locked in "constant battle" with our "better angels." It was time—finally—for those better angels to prevail, Biden said. This indictment of white Americans was a constant theme during the Democratic presidential primaries. In an August 2019   press briefing , Biden claimed that racism was a "white man's problem visited on people of color." "White folks are the reason we have institutional racism," he said. In a January 2019   speech , Biden announced: "We have a lot to root out, but most of all the systematic racism that most of us whites don't like to acknowledge even exists." On Friday, November 6, the day before the press declared Biden the president elect, he was still hammering the racism theme. He had a "mandate" to eliminate "systemic racism," he announced, prefiguring his victory speech the next day.

 If the problem is "systemic," then any given individual seems absolved from responsibility for the fact that racial justice in America allegedly remains so unrealized. After all, the very term "systemic racism" was coined to overcome the fact that it is hard to find actual individuals in positions of even moderate power who discriminate on the basis of race. The reality is the opposite. It is hard to find an institution today that does not go out of its way to prefer minority groups, if at all possible."

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.2.16  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.10    3 years ago
He believes that Senators Hawley and Cruz are Nazis.

All your link proves is that a Fox News reporter's interpretation of Biden's statements is delusional. 

I won't bother posting what Biden ACTUALLY said since I highly doubt that you give a fuck. 

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7.2.17  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @7.2.12    3 years ago
Oh please. We all know what he is talking about. The big lie that the election was stolen.

If that were the case, why did Biden specifically invoke Goebbels in his comment? How, precisely, did Goebbels affect the 2020 General Election? Most of us believe he's dead. We have many examples of Biden's declining, questionable cognitive state, so maybe he believes that Goebbels is still alive.

“They’re [Hawley and Cruz] part of the big lie,” Biden said. “ Goebbels and the great lie. You keep repeating the lie, repeating the lie.” Goebbels was a key figure in the rise of power of Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7.2.18  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @7.2.16    3 years ago
I won't bother posting what Biden ACTUALLY said

There's no need for you to do that, because I've already posted it at least twice. Thanks anyway! 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.2.19  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.15    3 years ago

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Ender
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7.2.20  Ender  replied to  Vic Eldred @7.2.15    3 years ago

That was hardly divisive, well except maybe to the people that stick to the belief there is no racism.

What in the world do you think most of the protests this summer were about...

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.21  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.17    3 years ago

I will repeat it to. donad and his accomplices were all apart of the big lie.

It is the big lie of our time.

What he said is not false.

Want to look for nazis, look at the people wearing concentration camp t-shirts... 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.2.22  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.18    3 years ago

No you haven't. You've posted conveniently edited VERSIONS of what Biden said.  

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7.2.23  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @7.2.21    3 years ago
Want to look for nazis, look at the people wearing concentration camp t-shirts... 

Robert Keith Packer was arrested. Your point?

 
 
 
Ender
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7.2.24  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.23    3 years ago

Know him by name huh?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
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7.2.25  Jasper2529  replied to  Dulay @7.2.22    3 years ago
No you haven't. You've posted conveniently edited VERSIONS of what Biden said. 

So Biden's quote/reference that's been published in articles appearing in Fox News, MSN, Bloomberg, Democratic Underground, CBS, and other sources aren't true? Wow, imagine that!

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.26  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @7.2.24    3 years ago

The Internet provides many search engines. I wish more people would use them; I suggest DuckDuckGo, because it doesn't track us like Google does.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.2.27  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.26    3 years ago

Eh, they all know where we have been and what we are doing anyway.

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.28  Jasper2529  replied to  Ender @7.2.27    3 years ago
Eh, they all know where we have been and what we are doing anyway.

Not if you have the proper safeguards/protections. Good-bye.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.2.29  Ender  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.28    3 years ago
There's a sad sort of clanking
From the clock in the hall
And the bells in the steeple too.
And up in the nursery an absurd little bird
Is popping up to say cukoo!
Cukoo! Cukoo!
Regretfully they tell us
But firmly they compel us
To say goodbye to you.
So long
Farewell
Aufwiedersehn
Goodnight
 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
7.2.30  Dulay  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.25    3 years ago

I note your equivocation Jasper. 

You posted a truncated 'quote'. When I read one, I ask myself WTF the edited out and invest the time to review in it's entirety, instead of forming an opinion based only on the part someone else wants me to know.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
7.2.31  Dulay  replied to  Sunshine @7.2.1    3 years ago
Is this going to be the standard response for the next 4 years regarding any criticism of Biden....but Trump?  

Why not? We've seen 4 years of 'But Obama!'.

Nothing in the comment is not true. 

Since you insist that's true, perhaps you'd honor me with some PROOF. Please proceed. 

Biden is failing at even his weak attempt to unite the country

More importantly, Trump has failed in his whiny attempt at usurping the Constitution. His lawyers better be burning the midnight oil. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.2.32  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.26    3 years ago

I use that one!  Duck Duck Go is a safe user alternative.  

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
Professor Principal
7.2.33  Trout Giggles  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.2.10    3 years ago

But he didn't come right out and call them Nazis. Some people wouldn't understand the Big Lie reference...like the TrumpETTES

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.2.34  Jasper2529  replied to  Trout Giggles @7.2.33    3 years ago
But he didn't come right out and call them Nazis.

That he said Goebbels was enough of a Nazi reference for anyone who has graduated from a US high school in the past 75-ish years. Please read my comment 7.2.17 for Biden's exact words.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
7.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago

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TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4  TᵢG  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago
Biden has already failed.

That comment, given Biden has not yet taken office, projects that no matter what takes place you will declare 'Biden has failed'.  

Anyone can point to the myriad actions and words uttered by a politician and engage in criticism.   If the lack of perfection (even before the man takes office) is enough for you to deem failure then your method of analysis is obvious and is guaranteed to produce one and only one conclusion.

 
 
 
Thomas
Senior Guide
7.4.1  Thomas  replied to  TᵢG @7.4    3 years ago

That is just it TiG, there is no analysis, just condemnation of the "other ".  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.2  TᵢG  replied to  Thomas @7.4.1    3 years ago

Exactly.   Just the same old partisan crap.   We have seen D partisans do this with Trump (e.g. focus on irrelevant flaws like Trump cheating at Golf when there are major glaring flaws —such as near daily unabashed lying to the citizens of the USA— to be discussed) and now I expect the R partisans to do this with Biden.   Anything Biden does will be wrong by definition.   Pure partisan 'reasoning' is unhealthy.   If a politician is wrong then there should be clear, factual justification to make the designation and the charge should be more than petty nit-picking.   Not just that the politician is of the other side.

It is correct and healthy to be critical of politicians.  I fully support sensible, objective, measured criticism.   If a politician does something wrong then call them out on it.   If they do something outrageous (e.g. Trump's national election con job) then take them to task.

But to simply look for cheap, weak excuses to make grand negative declarations accomplishes nothing of value.  

Biden will make all sorts of mistakes.   He will utter ridiculous sentences.   He will contradict himself.   He will take actions that are arguably bad for the nation.   There will be plenty of opportunity to engage in legitimate criticism based on substance.

Personally, I am not going to be too critical of Biden until he has been in office for a few months.   Unless, of course, he does something extraordinarily bad or stupid.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.4.3  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @7.4    3 years ago

Impeach Biden 1-21-21!  

 
 
 
TᵢG
Professor Principal
7.4.4  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.4.3    3 years ago

On what grounds?

See here you go again shooting before you aim.  

If you are in favor of impeaching a PotUS (even before his inauguration) and thus clearly have zero grounds, then how can you possibly object to the impeachments of Trump (especially the second one) where there are substantial grounds?

The hypocrisy here (among other things) is staggering. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
7.4.5  Gordy327  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.4    3 years ago
See here you go again shooting before you aim

More like shooting blanks.

The hypocrisy here (among other things) is staggering. 

As is the delusion and willful ignorance.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
7.4.6  Raven Wing  replied to  TᵢG @7.4.4    3 years ago
The hypocrisy here (among other things) is staggering. 

And not just the hypocrisy. 

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
7.5  Gordy327  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago

Biden hasn't even been sworn is as President yet. Neither was he President in the previous months. Meanwhile, the soon to be former President did nothing for unity in the previous months. If anything, he only contributed to divisiveness. The DC riot is the apex and most clear example of that.

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
7.5.1  Ender  replied to  Gordy327 @7.5    3 years ago

He has been nothing but divisive for the last five or six years.

 
 
 
Gordy327
Professor Expert
7.5.2  Gordy327  replied to  Ender @7.5.1    3 years ago

Indeed

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
7.6  Tessylo  replied to  Jasper2529 @7    3 years ago

When has tRump ever been silent?

 
 
 
Jasper2529
Professor Quiet
7.6.1  Jasper2529  replied to  Tessylo @7.6    3 years ago

Since my comment 7 discussed Biden and never mentioned Trump, perhaps someone else can answer your question.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.6.2  XXJefferson51  replied to  Jasper2529 @7.6.1    3 years ago

But Trump!  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
7.6.3  Raven Wing  replied to  Tessylo @7.6    3 years ago
When has tRump ever been silent?

I bet he even talks in his sleep. Or...more like ranting and raving. jrSmiley_46_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Gsquared
Professor Principal
8  Gsquared    3 years ago
Last night we may have heard the last speech Donald Trump will ever give.

We can only hope.

 
 
 
MalamuteMan
Professor Quiet
9  MalamuteMan    3 years ago

Those barricades in DC were built for the expected violence from antifa & BLM had Trump won.

"...had Trump won." 

Those barricades were erected two months after Trump lost.

I gotta tell ya, Vic... I find it absolutely flabbergasting how easily you can, seemingly with a straight face, say things that are patently false on their face.

Let's remember what happened the night Trump did win. Hillary Clinton conceded... The next day there was a PEACEFUL march by hundreds of thousands of pink hat protesters.

We will also need the president-elect to also step up to the plate and do as he promised - unite us. That means speaking to his own supporters, the way Trump did with his and telling them that violence will not be tolerated and is unacceptable.

"...the way Trump did..."

Oh you mean when he said...

“We’re going to walk down to the Capitol– and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them.”

“You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.”

“Something is wrong here, something is really wrong, can’t have happened and we fight, we fight like hell, and if you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore.”

For the record, yes, I do know that Trump later told the insurrectionists that violence will not be tolerated and is unacceptable. A speech carefully crafted by his attorneys who are trying to help him avoid criminal prosecution.

 
 
 
Kavika
Professor Principal
9.1  Kavika   replied to  MalamuteMan @9    3 years ago
I gotta tell ya, Vic... I find it absolutely flabbergasting how easily you can, seemingly with a straight face, say things that are patently false on their face.

It takes a lot of practice.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
9.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  Kavika @9.1    3 years ago
It takes a lot of practice.

Nah.....it is a practice that just takes brains, and some people don't seem to have any. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  MalamuteMan @9    3 years ago
Those barricades were erected two months after Trump lost.

FALSE:

"The White House is battening down the hatches for Election Day by erecting a ‘non-scalable’ fence around the perimeter of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 

Heavy duty barricades spanning roughly 8,800 feet went up on Monday afternoon, blocking off the Ellipse, a large green area south of the White House, and Lafayette Square to the north.
Concerns over Election Day turmoil aren’t limited to the White House, as cities across the country have boarded up shops, storefronts, office buildings, restaurants, hotels, and other properties in anticipation of possible violence. "





Let's remember what happened the night Trump did win. Hillary Clinton conceded... 

BARELY:

Hillary Clinton had a violent meltdown on the night of her defeat:

According to various reports, Clinton was at some points inconsolably emotional, possibly drunk, and physically threatening towards her top aides, as the reality that Donald Trump had defeated her slowly sank in.

According to author Ed Klein, Clinton “couldn’t stop crying” once she realized she had lost the election.

“She was crying, inconsolably,” he said. “Her friend said — her female friend from way, way, back — said that it was even hard to understand what she was saying, she was crying so hard.”

That’s when, according to a radio host who spoke with a CNN reporter, things got ugly …
CNN reporter tells me Hillary became physically violent towards Robby Mook and John Podesta around midnight; had to be briefly restrained.



She also advised Joe Biden to not concede if he lost:




For the record, yes, I do know that Trump later told the insurrectionists that violence will not be tolerated and is unacceptable.

I'm glad, nor did he encourage violence before then. 

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
9.2.1  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2    3 years ago
FALSE:

Oh so you were talking about barricades around the WH? 

How are they relevant when the WH wasn't attacked? 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
Professor Principal
9.2.2  author  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dulay @9.2.1    3 years ago
How are they relevant

They relate to what I said - specifically that those barricades were erected in anticipation of a possible Trump victory.

 
 
 
Dulay
Professor Expert
9.2.3  Dulay  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.2.2    3 years ago
They relate to what I said - specifically that those barricades were erected in anticipation of a possible Trump victory.

Again, WHICH barricades Vic.

You know that 'barricades' have restricted the SAME area since JUNE right? 

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.2.4  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @9.2.3    3 years ago

I don't know why anyone would think that the 'left' would get violent had the 'president' gotten re-elected when we see what happens when he freely and fairly LOST THE ELECTION BY OVER 7 MILLION VOTES and it was he who spurred his supporters/domestic terrorists on to the Capitol to 'storm it' 'It's a revolution' over this 'stolen' election.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
9.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @9.2.3    3 years ago

Were they the 'barricades' that the 'president's' goons used (among other things) to beat that police officer to death?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
Professor Participates
10  Paula Bartholomew    3 years ago

Last night we may have heard the last speech Donald Trump will ever give

Maybe there is a God after all.

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Principal
10.1  Tessylo  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @10    3 years ago

Where has she been these last five or so years?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
Professor Principal
10.2  JohnRussell  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @10    3 years ago
Last night we may have heard the last speech Donald Trump will ever give Maybe there is a God after all.

When the time comes, Trump will be blubbering and blabbering out something as they lower him into the ground. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
11  XXJefferson51    3 years ago

The President may well give a farewell address to the nation on the evening of Jan19 or the morning of the 20th before boarding the jet to take him home to Florida.  

 
 

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