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Justice Clarence Thomas And The Declaration Of Independence

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  118 comments

By:   Star Parker

Justice Clarence Thomas And The Declaration Of Independence
“The Declaration captured what I had been taught to venerate as a child but had cynically rejected as a young man. All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.” “As I had rediscovered the God-given principles of the Declaration and our founding, I eventually returned to the church, which had been teaching the same truths for millennia.”

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Thank you Justice Thomas for your fine remarks about our great exceptional America and its founding document, the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776 that we celebrate 🎊🎉🎆🦅🗽🇺🇸every July 4th, our Independence Day!  245 years as a 1776 nation.  Our declaration states that we have a Creator who created us as equals in His sight and that he endowed us with our inalienable human rights.  The document appeals to almighty God as to the justness of our cause and aspired us to greatness.  Truly America 🇺🇸 is an exceptional nation despite those 1619 anti American progressives who deny that any good at all came out of this nation.  


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Justice Clarence Thomas And The Declaration Of Independence



Star Parker | Sep 25, 2021 | Commentary | 8




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Last week, Supreme Court Associate Justice Clarence Thomas arrived at the University of Notre Dame to speak about the Declaration of Independence.

Speaking invitations like this that Thomas accepts are few and far between.

Anyone who cares about our country and listens to this address will wish that he would agree to speak more.

His presentation was a brilliant and profound articulation of what America is about at its core.

It is what every American needs to hear in these troublesome and divisive times.


Thomas tells his own story and how his life’s journey led him to understand what America is about.

He grew up poor near Savannah, Georgia, raised by his grandparents, under the tutelage of his grandfather, a devout Catholic and American patriot.

Thomas’ grandfather understood that the injustices of the country were not about flaws in the country but about flaws in human beings in living up to ideals handed down to them. What needed to be fixed were the people — not the nation.

This insight strikes at the heart of the divisions going on today that are so bitterly dividing us.

But Thomas left his grandfather’s house and went to college in the midst of the civil rights movement. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated, and Thomas became filled with bitterness and the sense that America is an irredeemably flawed, racist nation, which is so much in the spirit of the times today.

In his own words, “What had given my life meaning and sense of belonging, that this country was my home, was jettisoned as old-fashioned and antiquated. … It was easy and convenient to fill that void with victimhood. … So much of my time focused intently on our racial differences and grievances, much like today.”

“As I matured,” Thomas continued, “I began to see that the theories of my young adulthood were destructive and self-defeating…..I had rejected my country, my birthright as a citizen, and I had nothing to show for it.”

“The wholesomeness of my childhood had been replaced with an emptiness, cynicism, and despair. I was faced with the simple fact that there was no greater truth than what my Nuns and grandparents had taught me. We are all children of God and rightful heirs to our nation’s legacy of equality. We had to live up to the obligations of the equal citizenship to which we were entitled by birth.”

As he continued work in the federal government, Thomas became “deeply interested in the Declaration of Independence.”

“The Declaration captured what I had been taught to venerate as a child but had cynically rejected as a young man. All men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.”

“As I had rediscovered the God-given principles of the Declaration and our founding, I eventually returned to the church, which had been teaching the same truths for millennia.”

Despite the strident voices dividing us today, Thomas observes “there are many more of us, I think, who feel America is not so broken, as it is adrift at sea.”

“For whatever it is worth, the Declaration of Independence has weathered every storm for 245 years. It birthed a great nation. It abolished the sin of slavery. … While we have failed the ideals of the Declaration time and again, I know of no time when the ideals have failed us.”

The Declaration of Independence “establishes a moral ideal that we as citizens are duty-bound to uphold and sustain. We may fall short, but our imperfection does not relieve us of our obligation.”

Thomas’ message about the Declaration may be summarized: There are eternal truths; they are true for all of humanity; and it is the personal responsibility of each individual to live up to them.

Thomas’ detractors are those who reject these premises. This defines the culture war that so deeply and dangerously divides America today.

Star Parker is president of the Center for Urban Renewal and Education and host of the weekly television show “Cure America with Star Parker.” To find out more about Star Parker and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate website at www.creators.com.




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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago
Despite the strident voices dividing us today, Thomas observes “there are many more of us, I think, who feel America is not so broken, as it is adrift at sea.”

“For whatever it is worth, the Declaration of Independence has weathered every storm for 245 years. It birthed a great nation. It abolished the sin of slavery. … While we have failed the ideals of the Declaration time and again, I know of no time when the ideals have failed us.”

The Declaration of Independence “establishes a moral ideal that we as citizens are duty-bound to uphold and sustain. We may fall short, but our imperfection does not relieve us of our obligation.”

Thomas’ message about the Declaration may be summarized: There are eternal truths; they are true for all of humanity; and it is the personal responsibility of each individual to live up to them.

Thomas’ detractors are those who reject these premises. This defines the culture war that so deeply and dangerously divides America today.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

American Exceptionalism

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Raven Wing
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3  Raven Wing     4 years ago

Clarence Thomas is nothing but a Supreme Court front for his bat-shit crazy wife who is a die-hard Republican. She tells him what to think,  what to say and how to vote. The decisions he makes as a Supreme Court Justice are not his own. It is very well known and it has always been that way.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.1  devangelical  replied to  Raven Wing @3    4 years ago
his bat-shit crazy wife who is a die-hard Republican

she's a fucking teabag terrorist.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.1  Raven Wing   replied to  devangelical @3.1    4 years ago

Totally agree. Have you seen her talk? It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid, and it's hard to tell which one tells the most lies, her or Trump. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @3.1    4 years ago

She is a great American.  She’s a leader of the Tea Party movement and well within the American political mainstream.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.3  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    4 years ago
She’s a leader of the Tea Party movement and well within the American political mainstream.

The Tea Party movement is far, far outside the American political mainstream, but if you believe the John Birch Society was within the political mainstream, you might be under the same misimpression about the radical extremist Tea Party movement. 

Virginia Thomas is a lunatic fringe right-wing extremist.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.4  Raven Wing   replied to  Gsquared @3.1.3    4 years ago
Virginia Thomas is a lunatic fringe right-wing extremist.

Hear! Hear!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @3.1.3    4 years ago

The John Birch Society was far to the right of where today’s Tea Party/MAGA are now. And yes the whole America First low tax fair trade populist movement Trump articulated grew out of the Tea Party and Sarah Palin.  They laid the ground work that made Trumps rise possible and I’m proud of that.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.1.6  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.5    4 years ago

The John Birch Society is the progenitor of the Tea Party idiocy, the QLoons and the Trumpist-Fascists, and, if anything, as today's version, they are more far right, more extremist than the Birchers.

For a fuller understanding, see the following:

As for Sarah Palin, a box of rocks has a higher I.Q.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.7    4 years ago

Isn’t it though!  It’s almost like calling us deplorables…but the fascist label goes to the accusers in these cases.   

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.10  Raven Wing   replied to  Gsquared @3.1.6    4 years ago
As for Sarah Palin, a box of rocks has a higher I.Q.

Right on!

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.1.10    4 years ago

Sarah Palin has a higher IQ than Pelosi and Harris combined.  Which is why both had to go to California’s Bay Area to initially get elected to office.  

 
 
 
TᵢG
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3.1.12  TᵢG  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.11    4 years ago
Sarah Palin has a higher IQ than Pelosi and Harris combined.

Link?

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.13  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.9    4 years ago

Good question.  I have no idea where or why they resort to such nonsense about us.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.12    4 years ago

Crappy Nancy

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XXJefferson51
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3.1.15  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.12    4 years ago

Kamala Harris will announce soon.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3    4 years ago

What an awful comment.  The comment is totally racist.  Powerful white woman/wife controlling small weak minded black man and telling him what to think.  Just wow!  This has to be one of the most small minded posts I’ve seen on this site. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.2.1  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    4 years ago

YOU are the only one who mentioned that his wife is White. I did not mention it anywhere in my comments. So if anyone has made it racist, it is YOU. And anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can tell which one is the racist. 

I could care less if his wife is white, pink, blue or any other color. Her color is not important, her influence over Clarence is the issue, not he color. As for Thomas being weak, history speaks for itself.

Most everyone here on NT knows I am not racist. [deleted]

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.1    4 years ago

Everyone knows that they are a bi racial couple. She’s spoken at CPAC, Tea Party, and other events many times and her skin color was obvious.  She was politically active prior to meeting him and thus continued to write and speak her own opinion after being married. You may have wanted to hide her race while saying he was being dominated by another thus denigrating him but it was obvious for all to see.  Thomas has long been known for having a sharp legal mind.  
many secular progressives claim to never be racist…until it comes to minority persons who happen to be conservative, and then the gloves come off.  

 
 
 
Gsquared
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3.2.3  Gsquared  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.2    4 years ago
Thomas has long been known for having a sharp legal mind.

No, he hasn't.

many secular progressives claim to never be racist

Many theocratic dominionists and right-wing extremists don't even pretend to hide their racism and, in fact, glory in it and actively promote it by the policies they espouse.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.2.4  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.2    4 years ago
You may have wanted to hide her race while saying he was being dominated by another thus denigrating him

No.....I didn't try to hide her race, it wasn't and isn't important to the comment I made.  As for everyone knowing his wife is white, I would venture to say that there are likely as good many Americans who do not know that. So stop with your attempts to poke your thumb in my eye. 

many secular progressives claim to never be racist…until it comes to minority persons who happen to be conservative, and then the gloves come off.  

What is a secular progressive? Do you even know what that means? It really sounds doubtful, as you use it so freely with no real meaning.

As for claims to nevr4 be racist...so you forget that I am Native American of the Cherokee Tribe? I have been on the receiving end of the horrors of racism all my life, so when I comes to making claims of rsacism, YOU best know what you are tal\king about or YOU will look like the one whose racist. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.4    4 years ago

I never said anyone is a racist.  I said that a post as written came across that way.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.2.6  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.5    4 years ago
I never said anyone is a racist.

You did in fact intentionally infer it. Don't piss in my face and say it's just the rain, XX. It don't work that way.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
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3.2.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.1    4 years ago

His wife is even a bigger idiot than he is, if that is possible.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2    4 years ago
 The comment is totally racist.

Not a surprise. Since day one, that's been one of the slurs the left uses. First Scalia, now his wife.  No other justice gets attacked that way. It's just the one black justice who can't think for himself. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.9  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.8    4 years ago

Bullshit. Everyone knows his extreme views and his takes on cases.

Everyone knows his wife's activism.

You are only trying to push all that aside for bullshit claims because it is all you all have.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.9    4 years ago
trying to push all that aside for bullshit claims because it is all you all have.

What's bullshit is the decades long obsession by progressives to claim Thomas is controlled by someone else and can't possibly think for himself. 

It's incredibly racist. Sad you can't recognize it, and instead engage in the racist attacks. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.11  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.10    4 years ago

Again bullshit.

If you cannot see that his wife is a major GOP activist you are being willfully blind and accusing people of bullshit claims because again, you cannot defend him and his wife.

And I engaged in a racist attack?

Are you on crack? Because you are seeing things that are not there.

 
 
 
devangelical
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3.2.12  devangelical  replied to  Ender @3.2.11    4 years ago

it ain't crack. glug glug glug glug glug >hic<

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.13  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.11    4 years ago
fe is a major GOP activist you are being willfully blind an

Who cares what his wife does? Did you claim Hillary was Bill's puppet? Did you claim Ruth Bader Ginsburg was controlled by her liberal law professor husband?  Of course you didn't. Only Clarence Thomas is controlled by his spouse. 

And funny how you keep ignoring the orginal  slurs about how he was Scalia's puppet. Can't explain the pattern of progressive racism. 

Sconce he's  a black man, liberals can't accept that  Clarence Thomas speaks for himself. 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.14  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.13    4 years ago

Once again bullshit.

You are just using race as a reason to not be able to be against his policies and rulings. If you refuse to see his wife's dealings, not my problem.

Just because someone 'speaks for themselves' doesn't mean what they say isn't asinine.

You still cannot defend him other than making accusations against others.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.15  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.14    4 years ago
ust using race as a reason to not be able to be against his policies and rulin

How dishonest. You are attacking him as a puppet. You aren't criticizing his policies and rulings. By all means, attack them on their merits, for once. 

It be a great in advance for progressives if they actually engaged Thomas on substance, rather than slurring him for decades that he some white person's puppet. 

You still cannot defend him other than making accusations against others.

Of course I can defend from actual substantive attacks. But you continue to engage in racist slurs. By all means, attack him for what he says, stop slurring him as a puppet of someone else.

Your whole line of attack is Thomas is a puppet because his wife is an  active conservative. That's the extent of it.  First, do you realize how stupid that is? Or do you believe all spouses control what their partner thinks?  Can you not see how racist that is when you only apply that standard to Clarence Thomas?  

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.16  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.15    4 years ago

You actually think no one has ever talked about his rulings...

Show me these racist slurs I supposedly said or shut the fuck up.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.20  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.16    4 years ago
You actually think no one has ever talked about his rulings.

Did you read this thread? Not one substantive argument. Just calling him a puppet. 

Show me these racist slurs I supposedly said or shut the fuck up.

Are you paying attention at all? How many times do I need to explain it to you? 

 
 
 
Ender
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3.2.21  Ender  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.20    4 years ago

Actually what is racist is thinking a Black conservative cannot be criticized.

Once again, your premise is bullshit.

xx or whatever his name is at the time was the one that made it about race, period.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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3.2.22  Sean Treacy  replied to  Ender @3.2.21    4 years ago
Once again, your premise is bullshit.

Then why do you blatantly misrepresent it?  No one, certainly not me, even came close to suggesting "a Black conservative cannot be criticized."

Criticize away.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.2.23  Raven Wing   replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2.7    4 years ago

That's true. If Clarence acted like his crazy wife he likely would not be able to stay on the SC any longer. Maybe that is why he is so quiet most all the time.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.22    4 years ago

Notice how when yu call them out about what was said to you the subject then becomes me.  Moving goalposts.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.25  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.23    4 years ago

There is nothing crazy at all about his wife.  As to him and her their roles are totally different.  She’s an advocate for a point of view in several jobs in and out of government while he’s a judge and can’t say much without being put into position of having to recuse himself on cases. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.26  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @3.2.10    4 years ago
What's bullshit is the decades long obsession by progressives to claim Thomas is controlled by someone else and can't possibly think for himself. 

Sean, do you realize that much of the reason for that perception is that Thomas went for 10 YEARS without asking even ONE question? 

It's incredibly racist.

It has nothing to do with his race, it has to do with his RECORD. 

Oh and BTFW, do you also know that Thomas AMENDED 20 YEARS of financial disclosures because he had been fucking them up all that time? 

Oh and if a lower court Federal Judge had done the same, they would have been impeached. 

Sad you can't recognize it, and instead engage in the racist attacks. 

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XXJefferson51
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3.2.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.23    4 years ago

I guess is it easier for the left wing attack dogs to go after a mans wife than to actually relationally discuss/debate what he actually said, in this case talking good about the Declaration of Independence.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.2.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @3.2.26    4 years ago

Sean didn’t make any racists attacks here.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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3.2.29  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.2.28    4 years ago

I didn't claim he did Xx. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
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4  Dulay    4 years ago

Wow!

The Declaration of Independence abolished slavery? 

Who knew? 

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Raven Wing
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4.1  Raven Wing   replied to  Dulay @4    4 years ago

Gee...if it wasn't for XX we'd all still be living in the dark. jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @4.1    4 years ago

1619 project and CRT proponents are living in the dark.  1776!

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.1.2  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.1    4 years ago

What a totally stupid comment. But, consider the source....... jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @4.1.2    4 years ago

Coming from one who swore she had me on ignore.  My contributions here are so Priceless that no one on the secular left can actually do that… 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.1.4  Raven Wing   replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.3    4 years ago
My contributions here are so Priceless that no one can actually do that… 

You are still on Ignore. But, as YOU well know, when I post to one of your seeds, which is indeed very rare, you are not ignored. 

As for the value of your racist, untrue and false "contributions" being so "Priceless", you are living in a dream world. No Value would be a better term for your "contributions".

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.1.5  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.3    4 years ago
My contributions here are so Priceless that no one on the secular left can actually do that… 

There's a shining example of just how humble you are Xx. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.1.6  Raven Wing   replied to  Dulay @4.1.5    4 years ago

It appears that he is taking lessons from his worshiped master, Trump. And that is sooo laughable. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
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4.1.7  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1.3    4 years ago
My contributions here are so Priceless that no one on the secular left can actually do that…

I have no doubt that you believe those words about your...contributions.  It's unfortunate, however, that because you believe them, you fail to convey your intended message...over and over and over again.  Priceless to one, becomes pointless to many.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.1.8  Raven Wing   replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @4.1.7    4 years ago

jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gif Right on, Sister.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4    4 years ago

He didn’t say that.  He said that the nation birthed by the Declaration of Independence abolished slavery.  The paragraph was about the nation in the 245 years since it was written and what was accomplished.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2    4 years ago
He didn’t say that.  He said that the nation birthed by the Declaration of Independence abolished slavery.  The paragraph was about the nation in the 245 years since it was written and what was accomplished.  

Utter bullshit Xx. Here is the paragraph:

“For whatever it is worth, the Declaration of Independence has weathered every storm for 245 years. It birthed a great nation. It abolished the sin of slavery. … While we have failed the ideals of the Declaration time and again, I know of no time when the ideals have failed us.”

'It' in that paragraph is the Declaration of Independence Xx. 

Now unless you are claiming that a Justice of the Supreme Court is incapable of using syntax and forming a cogent thought, Thomas sure as fuck said that the DoI abolished slavery. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.1    4 years ago

The nation it gave birth to did for that. Everything this nation has accomplished has been done under that document.  This nation did nothing as a nation until 1775/1776.  Anything happening here before that is England/United Kingdom history just to look let the 1619 proponents know.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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4.2.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.2    4 years ago

That's a lot of argle-bargle Xx. 

Thomas said that the DoI abolished slavery. PERIOD, full stop.

BTFW, it would behoove you to crack a fucking history book and review the FACT that the First Nations, French, Dutch, Spanish and oh, Africans did some shit here before and after 1776. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.4  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.2    4 years ago
This nation did nothing as a nation until 1775/1776.

In 1789 , acting as a nation , it was entered into the US Constitution that slaves who escaped from their masters must be returned to their masters. 

Prior to the   American Revolution , there were no generally accepted principles of international law that required sovereign states to return fugitive slaves that had fled to their territory. English court decisions and opinions came down on both sides of the issue. [7] The ambiguity was resolved with the   Somerset v Stewart   decision in 1772.   Lord Mansfield   ordered that a fugitive slave from   Massachusetts   who had reached England, where slavery was prohibited, was a free person who could not be legally returned to his previous owners. Absent a long-standing local custom or positive legislation requiring the return, judges were bound by English law to ignore the prior legal status of the fugitive under foreign laws. [8]   Although the decision did not affect the colonies directly and despite a general record of cooperation by northern colonies, law professor Steven Lubet wrote:
Nonetheless, the   Somerset   precedent was frightening to southern slaveholders. It had been widely published in America, and often over-interpreted as having completely abolished slavery under British law. News of the ruling had spread by word of mouth among slaves, which of course was troubling to their masters. [9]
During and after the   American Revolutionary War   under the   Articles of Confederation , there was no way to compel   free states   to capture fugitive slaves from other states and return them to their former masters, although there were provisions for the extradition of criminals. Despite this, there was not a widespread belief that this was a problem or that Northern states failed to cooperate on the issue. This was due at least in part to the fact that by 1787 only   Vermont   and   Massachusetts   had outlawed or effectively outlawed slavery. [10]

At the   Constitutional Convention , many slavery issues were debated and for a time slavery was a major impediment to passage of the new constitution. However, there was little discussion concerning the issue of fugitive slaves. After the   Three-Fifths Compromise   resolved the issue of how to count slaves in the distribution of taxes and the apportionment of the members of the   United States House of Representatives , two   South Carolina   delegates,   Charles Pinckney   and   Pierce Butler , on August 28th, 1787, proposed that fugitive slaves should be "delivered up like criminals". [11] [12]   James Wilson   of   Pennsylvania   and   Roger Sherman   of   Connecticut   originally objected. Wilson argued that the provision "would oblige the Executive of the State to do it at public expence", while Sherman stated that he "saw no more propriety in the public seizing and surrendering a slave or servant, than a horse". After these objections, the discussion was dropped.

The next day Butler proposed the following language which was passed with no debate or objections. [13] [14]
If any person bound to service or labor in any of the United States shall escape into another State, he or she shall not be discharged from such service or labor, in consequence of any regulations subsisting in the State to which they escape, but shall be delivered up to the person justly claiming their service or labor. Fugitive Slave Clause - Wikipedia
 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @4.2.3    4 years ago

Since the nation called United States of America did not exist until the Revolutionary War and the declaration, American history that the United States is accountable for began then.  There is the colonial period when we were part of Holland, France, Great Britain and there other people groups living in the area prior to that, the America that exists now bears no credit or responsibility for anything that happened before July 4, 1776.  Thus there is no common ground or point of compromise or consensus with those pushing CRT and 1619 project. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.4    4 years ago

No one is saying everything or everyone at the founding was perfect.  They created a vast improvement over what was before and set in motion the process for change and improvements and the building of a more perfect Union over time.  The bottom line is that if compromise hadn’t been made there would have been no Union as we know us now and the states that broke away to cause the civil war would never have joined under the constitution and would have created a separate slave nation then instead.  Who knows how much longer slavery might have lasted then? 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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4.2.7  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.6    4 years ago

Look , the racism of the founding fathers set the stage for the 200+ years of racism across the country that followed it.  Saying they had no choice doesnt cut it.  When America was started in 1776 , this was an overwhelmingly racist country. You just want people to forget about that so you can post pablum every day about how great the founding fathers were.  Not gonna happen.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @4.2.7    4 years ago

Then point to a less racist group of people on earth living in that time frame on earth and tell us how they would have created a better nation than the one we got.  Quit making the perfect the enemy of the very good and stop holding our founding fathers living then to what is expected of people in the best of circumstances today.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.2.8    4 years ago

And we can be glad God gave us and enabled these revolutionaries instead of the ones France got, a bunch of murderous pro science pro logic and reason secularists.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5  JohnRussell    4 years ago

Time for another article about the racism of the founding fathers. As long as xx feels compelled to post propaganda praising the founding fathers every single day I may feel compelled to post contra information. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1  Raven Wing   replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 years ago
I may feel compelled to post contra information. 

Well...someone should. It would be a fun contest to see which one could out last the other. (wink)

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1    4 years ago

It depends how pissed I get. If that happens there are no limits. 

I dont mind occasional positive stories about 1776. But just about every day? Ridiculous. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    4 years ago

Two African Americans speaking and writing positively about the the Declaration of Independence and its meaning and accomplishments kind of destroys your narrative and angers you…

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    4 years ago

1776!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 years ago

The article here is about the Declaration of Independence itself and the nation it created 245 years ago.  It was about a speech on the subject by an African American Supreme Court Justice. And the article author herself is an African American.  Do you think that these African Americans all with Harriet Tubman and Frederick Douglass are/were unaware of the world the founders lived in and the changes they created?  

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2    4 years ago

Xx, please endeavor to understand just how obtuse it is to conflate Thomas and Parker with  Tubman and Douglass. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    4 years ago

They are/were all Republicans. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.3  Raven Wing   replied to  Dulay @5.2.1    4 years ago
just how obtuse it is to conflate Thomas and Parker with  Tubman and Douglass. 

Of course he knows, he just likes to pretend to be unknowing. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.2    4 years ago
They are/were all Republicans. 

Today, Tubman and Douglass would be among the progressive liberals that you so abhor. BOTH were escaped slaves who put their lives on the line and fought for the freedom of others. Comparing them to Thomas and Parker is delusional and disgusting. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.5  Dulay  replied to  Raven Wing @5.2.3    4 years ago

I think you may be giving too much credit where it isn't deserved. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.2.6  Raven Wing   replied to  Dulay @5.2.5    4 years ago

Didn't I just.  jrSmiley_7_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.2.4    4 years ago

Deal with it.  Not changing a thing.  There is Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Armstrong Williams, Tim Scott, just to name a few more. There are an increasing number of conservative Republican African Americans now.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.8  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.7    4 years ago
Deal with it.  Not changing a thing.

I never expected you to practice introspective Xx

There is Walter Williams, Thomas Sowell, Ben Carson, Armstrong Williams, Tim Scott, just to name a few more. There are an increasing number of conservative Republican African Americans now.

Not one of them could hold a candle to the likes of Tubman or Douglass either. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.9  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.2.8    4 years ago

Douglass defended the founding fathers and the constitution including the 3/5ths compromise understanding it’s real impact

 
 
 
Dulay
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5.2.10  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.2.9    4 years ago
Douglass defended the founding fathers and the constitution including the 3/5ths compromise understanding it’s real impact

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AGAIN, Thomas, Parker and the others you cited aren't anywhere in the same league as Douglass and Tubman. Period. Full stop. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.2.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @5.2.10    4 years ago

They were Republicans as were most all of the first many members of the house and the first in the senate.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

It is interesting watch the progressive hate flow at the mere mention of people and documents they have viewed as outdated since their movement began.  Defense of Patriots such as our founding fathers enrages them.  Praising of the founding documents the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the federalist papers angers them, and references to 1776 and exceptional America fills them with rage.  That two African Americans express all this was the ultimate offense to them. 

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6    4 years ago

Xx, our founders were liberal progressives. Deal with it.

Praising of the founding documents the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the federalist papers angers them, and references to 1776 and exceptional America fills them with rage.  That two African Americans express all this was the ultimate offense to them. 

That is utterly delusional Xx.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @6.1    4 years ago
ur founders were liberal progressives. Deal with it.

Lol.. Don't tell John. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @6.1.1    4 years ago

Well we know that most progressives were racists.  Nothings changed about that.  Of course the progressives when they began, were very critical of the founding fathers and constitution as being relics of the past…

 
 
 
Dulay
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6.1.3  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @6.1.2    4 years ago

Do you think that making shit up out of whole cloth makes you look smart Xx? The overwhelming majority of your comments are clueless and the rest are pure vitriol. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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6.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @6.1.3    4 years ago

There is much evidence that early progressives including Woodrow Wilson had no use for the constitution and founding fathers and he was a total racist.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago

Justice Thomas is right about what he said regarding our Declaration of Independence 

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7    4 years ago

FALSE. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @7.1    4 years ago

TRUE!

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.2  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.1    4 years ago

So you believe that the DoI abolished slavery too. jrSmiley_84_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Dulay @7.1.2    4 years ago

He didn’t say that.  He said the nation it created did so.  

 
 
 
Dulay
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7.1.4  Dulay  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.3    4 years ago

Yes he did Xx. It's obvious to any thinking person. 

 
 

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