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CASED CLOSED: Kyle Rittenhouse Attacker Admits Kyle Didn’t Shoot Until Gun Was Pointed At Him [WATCH]

  
Via:  XXJefferson51  •  4 years ago  •  131 comments

By:   Clayton Keirns

CASED CLOSED: Kyle Rittenhouse Attacker Admits Kyle Didn’t Shoot Until Gun Was Pointed At Him [WATCH]
“With your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” asked the defense attorney. “Correct,” Grosskreutz responded. “It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun and your hands pointed at him, that he fired?”, Kyle’s attorney pressed. “Correct,” Grosskreutz responded again.

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The left has repeatedly slandered Kyle Rittenhouse as a “murderer” despite evidence that he was simply acting in self defense last summer during the ANTIFA riots. Now, Kyle’s attacker Gage Grosskreutz just gave the defense a rock solid admission that should lead to this case being easily dismissed.

“With your arms up in the air, he never fired, right?” asked the defense attorney.

“Correct,” Grosskreutz responded.

“It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him, with your gun and your hands pointed at him, that he fired?”, Kyle’s attorney pressed.

“Correct,” Grosskreutz responded again.

Watch the shocking exchange below:

In response, the prosecution attorney face-palmed in disbelief, knowing that their case has completely imploded:






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XXJefferson51
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1  seeder  XXJefferson51    4 years ago
JUST IN - Kyle Rittenhouse didn't shoot until a gun was pointed at him, one of his attackers just admitted in court.
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XXJefferson51
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1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  XXJefferson51 @1    4 years ago

Man shot by Rittenhouse tells court he advanced on defendant, pointed his gun first

Defense lawyer asked: "It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him ... that he fired, right?"

The protester wounded by teenage Kyle Rittenhouse during the deadly August 2020 social justice protests in Wisconsin acknowledged in court Monday that he pointed his gun at Rittenhouse and moved toward him before being shot…

…During cross-examination Gaige Grosskreutz, shot in the bicep, was asked by Rittenhouse's defense team: "It wasn’t until you pointed your gun at him, advanced on him ... that he fired, right?”

Grosskreutz replied: "Correct," according to the Associated Press .

During earlier questioning from the prosecution, Grosskreutz said he had his hands raised as he closed in on Rittenhouse on the night of Aug. 25, 2020, following the police shooting of Jacob Blake, a black male, in the city of Kenosha.

Prosecutor Thomas Binger asked Grosskreutz why he didn’t shoot first.

"That’s not the kind of person that I am," the 27-year-old responded. "That's not why I was out there. It's not who I am. And definitely not somebody I would want to become."

Rittenhouse, 18, is charged with fatally shooting Joseph Rosenbaum, 36, and Anthony Huber, 26, then wounding  Grosskreutz.

Huber, 26, is seen on bystander video hitting Rittenhouse with a skateboard before being shot.

A witness testified last week that Rosenbaum "lunged" at Rittenhouse before being shot.

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Sean Treacy
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2  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

I love the prosecutors reaction.. just hanging his head dejectedly.

Travesty this case was ever brought.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @2    4 years ago

Exactly…It was as woke a case as there ever was.   The DA had to have known this upfront and withheld it.  He should be sanctioned.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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3  Ronin2    4 years ago

Didn't the prosecution question their damn witness ahead of time? You know simple questions like "Did you aim your weapon at him first"? 

What a bunch of dumbasses. People need to lose their jobs over this on the prosecution side. 

As for the left; they can now howl at wind for a few days. I am surprised the judge didn't call the prosecution to the bench and give them a "Are you fucking serious?!"

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
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3.1  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  Ronin2 @3    4 years ago
I am surprised the judge didn't call the prosecution to the bench and give them a "Are you fucking serious?!"

No kidding!!!

 
 
 
devangelical
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4  devangelical    4 years ago

cool. turn him loose.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4    4 years ago

Official acquittal first…

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @4.1    4 years ago

he'll be a lot safer in prison.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.2  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    4 years ago
e'll be a lot safer in prison.

What does that mean?

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.2    4 years ago

an interesting question  [deleted]

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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4.1.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  devangelical @4.1.3    4 years ago

I have no idea why Rittenhouse would be safer in prison. Please elaborate. 

 
 
 
devangelical
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4.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    4 years ago

have xx explain it to you.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4.1.6    4 years ago

Explain it yourself!  It’s your comment after all 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.1.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @4.1.4    4 years ago

I’m curious too. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.9  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    4 years ago

"he'll be a lot safer in prison."

with all his fellow republicans/alleged conservatives

 
 
 
zuksam
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4.1.10  zuksam  replied to  Texan1211 @4.1.5    4 years ago
Maybe he thinks Antifa thugs will get Rittenhouse

Score so far Rittenhouse 3, Antifa 0.  Rittenhouse should move to a better State he could get Elected to Congress, he could sit near the squad maybe they'll get violent and give Rittenhouse a chance to do what he does best.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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4.1.11  Tessylo  replied to  zuksam @4.1.10    4 years ago

So you're admitting that this young conservative Rittenhouse kills innocent people?

The squad getting violent?

WTF?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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4.3  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  devangelical @4    4 years ago
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5  JohnRussell    4 years ago

Whether the murder case was winnable or not, the prosecutors had to charge Rittenhouse.  He is not law enforcement, he was an unauthorized vigilante who brought a gun to a protest march, and used it. He is not an innocent victim. The specific circumstances of the shootings may not support a conviction, but he is guilty of taking the law into his own hands. 

Hopefully he has a long life ahead of him and he can change from his bad ways as a boy. 

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 years ago
protest march

Fallacy 1

not an innocent victim.

Fallacy 2

he is guilty of taking the law into his own hands. 

Fallacy 3

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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5.1.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to    4 years ago

Excused for pointing out false information.  I'm going to have to remember that next time I get the notice.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 years ago

Nah, he's a fine little republican thug/killer in training.  He won't change his ways.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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5.3  Ronin2  replied to  JohnRussell @5    4 years ago

So what were all of those far leftist extremists doing at a supposedly peaceful protest with weapons- including handguns? Why aren't you asking them that? Who invited them? 

Or are you claiming the right to peacefully assemble is only guaranteed to those on the left?

The prosecution screwed the pooch; and they know it. They deserve to lose their jobs for bringing charges when they knew damn well the evidence supported Rittenhouse. The prosecutor literally face palming is classic as their witness states he started the entire incident (what moron pulls a gun and points it at someone- but then claims "I had no intention of using it"); his career should be face palmed as well.

Now a bunch of far left extremists will get their undies in a bunch when Rittenhouse is acquitted and released. Want to lay odds they will conduct another protest similar to the one that caused this incident; and that many of the participants will be the same people as last time?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.3.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ronin2 @5.3    4 years ago

They better not take such events to smaller city small town America if they dare to resume their looting and riots.  

 
 
 
bugsy
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5.3.2  bugsy  replied to  Ronin2 @5.3    4 years ago
and that many of the participants will be the same people as last time?

Well, we can guarantee the two leftists thug/killer in training he rightfully took out won't be in attendance.

 
 
 
zuksam
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5.3.3  zuksam  replied to  Ronin2 @5.3    4 years ago
Want to lay odds they will conduct another protest similar to the one that caused this incident; and that many of the participants will be the same people as last time?         They already stripped that city clean, they'll have to loot somewhere else.
 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.4  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.3.1    4 years ago

What would you do about it?

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XXJefferson51
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5.3.5  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.4    4 years ago

Me?  Nothing.  On the other hand there are others who are armed who would stop such nonsense cold in rural and small town America.  Had Antifa showed up where I live there would have been 100 men out there protecting the community not just one.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.3.6  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.3.5    4 years ago

So they would just kill innocent protesters at random?  Plus this little turd wasn't protecting anything.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.3.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.6    4 years ago

That clearly did not happen there and would not here.  There were two peaceful BLM events here. Had Antifa showed up to one and started breaking things it would have been open season on them and the community would have supported running them back to Portland in any manner needed. As to what really happened in Kenosha: 

Kyle Rittenhouse Suffers Panic Attack As He Recalls Being Attacked During BLM Riots

by Clayton Keirns about an hour ago

For the past year, the liberal media has falsely smeared Kyle Rittenhouse as a “murderer” and a “white supremacist”. Now, he has finally gotten to tell his story in the court of law.

During his shocking testimony on Wednesday, Rittenhouse suffered a panic attack as he retold the events from last summer when Antifa thugs attacked him.

“I didn’t notice Mr. Rosenbaum until he came out from behind the car and ambushed me,” said Rittenhouse

“I continued walking, and then I noticed the Duramax, I noticed the backseat of the Duramax, and I stepped towards the Duramax, and, as I’m stepping forward, I believe his name is Joshua Ziminski, he steps towards me with a pistol,” Rittenhouse continued.

At that point, Rittenhouse added that he took “a step back,” and then attempted to “get out of that situation and go back north down Sheridan Road.”

Rittenhouse continued the story by saying that he wasn’t able to successfully leave the scene without an altercation. As we all saw by the video, the Antifa thugs gave him no choice but to fight back.

“Once I take that step back, I look over my shoulder, and Mr. Rosenbaum — Mr. Rosenbaum was not running from my right side, and I was cornered from in front of me with Mr. Ziminski, and there were…” Rittenhouse said while choking up.

“There were people right there — that’s when I run,” he continued. However, Rittenhouse was unable to finish as he was suffering a panic attack...

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XXJefferson51
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5.3.8  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.6    4 years ago

No one here would kill innocent nonviolent orderly peaceful protesters.  Absolutely zero rioting, arson, looting would be tolerated though even if it takes deadly force to prevent/stop it.  
Rittenhouse was repeatedly chased and attacked and all that he did was done in self defense.  

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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6  Sean Treacy    4 years ago

If you ever need an example of why the MSM  is trash, look at these headlines for Grosskreutz's testimony:

Grossgrkrutz was caught lying multiple times and torpedoed the prosecution's case so badly the prosecutor was left holding his head in his hands after he admitted he was moving towards Rittenhouse with his gun pointed at him when Rittenhouse shot him.  

Yet if you read the headlines, you'd think he helped the prosecution. And now if he is, as expected, acquitted, liberals will be shocked and outraged, because of the perception the media fed them. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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7  Mark in Wyoming     4 years ago

the only thing i have seen in my life that has gone down faster than this prosecutors case ( even with self sabotaging witnesses) , is a hooker on the docks during fleet week .

 
 
 
Tessylo
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7.1  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @7    4 years ago

That's not funny at all and I noticed on the other thread about this that you just continue to make up shit as you go

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8  Tessylo    4 years ago

Rittenhouse is a killer and no one will ever convince those with any sense, otherwise.  

 
 
 
Ronin2
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8.1  Ronin2  replied to  Tessylo @8    4 years ago

Seems the law doesn't agree with you. Nor the witnesses/alleged victims. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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8.1.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ronin2 @8.1    4 years ago

sure glad that ones in the iggy bin .

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @8    4 years ago
Rittenhouse is a killer and no one will ever convince those with any sense, otherwise

Rittenhouse is a killer and no one will ever convince those with any lack of sense, otherwise

Fixed it for you.  Now it's more factual.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2    4 years ago

You would need to know/provide a fact to prove otherwise.  

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.2  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.1    4 years ago

I submit 8 as proof that those with a lack of sense just don't get it.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.2    4 years ago

See 8.2.1

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.5  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.4    4 years ago

Somebody has to keep it straight or they'll have us believe the court of public idiots.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  Jeremy Retired in NC @8.2.5    4 years ago

We know who the failure is - he still keeps claiming he won.  You know, trumpturd.

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Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.7  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Tessylo @8.2.6    4 years ago

WTF are you talking about?

 
 
 
Jeremy Retired in NC
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8.2.9  Jeremy Retired in NC  replied to  Texan1211 @8.2.8    4 years ago

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squiggy
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8.3  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @8    4 years ago

Yes, a justified use of deadly force in self-defense.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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8.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @8.3    4 years ago

Nope, he's just a little thug republican killer in training - not self defense.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9  Tessylo    4 years ago

This little republican in training is no victim - he's a thug killer.  

 
 
 
squiggy
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9.1  squiggy  replied to  Tessylo @9    4 years ago

“…he's a thug killer. “

THAT’s what everybody has been trying to tell you.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  squiggy @9.1    4 years ago

Thanks for acknowledging that Rittenhouse is a little republican thug killer.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.1    4 years ago

Rittenhouse is a republican in training/alleged conservative - killer thug.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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9.1.5  Tessylo  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.3    4 years ago

I wouldn't expect the people glorifying this killer Rittenhouse to understand.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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9.1.6  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Texan1211 @9.1.2    4 years ago

i think witness testimony and video evidence proves at least 2 of them were thugs ......beyond any reasonable doubt .

 
 
 
bugsy
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9.1.8  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.1    4 years ago
thug killer.  

Sure is. He took out two of them in one night,

Good shooting, Rittenhouse

 
 
 
squiggy
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10  squiggy    4 years ago

I’d like to know how such a basic question got this far - there’s nothing left but malice.

 
 
 
GregTx
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11  GregTx    4 years ago
“So that hand was over the barrel of Mr. Rittenhouse’s gun when his hand was shot,” Richards said. “That makes sense,” Kelley said.

Drone video at Rittenhouse murder trial shows first shooting (msn.com)

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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12  Mark in Wyoming     4 years ago

it was reported today that jurors were being photograghed and videoed, the court and sherriffs ordered them deleted  , wonder what the reason for that would be to get their likenesses out there?

 
 
 
GregTx
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12.1  GregTx  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @12    4 years ago

Exactly, right?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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12.1.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  GregTx @12.1    4 years ago

To intimidate the jury into a guilty verdict or else antifa is in their near future…

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.2  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @12    4 years ago

Reported by who?

It would be nice if you provided a fact.

 
 
 
GregTx
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12.2.1  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @12.2    4 years ago

What do you care? You wouldn't read the links anyway...

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @12.2.1    4 years ago

Why would I bother to read fact free links?

 
 
 
GregTx
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12.2.4  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.3    4 years ago

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Tessylo
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12.2.5  Tessylo  replied to  GregTx @12.2.4    4 years ago

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GregTx
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12.2.6  GregTx  replied to  Tessylo @12.2.5    4 years ago

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Mark in Wyoming
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12.2.7  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  GregTx @12.2.1    4 years ago

i take it since she is on ignore that she demanded a link she will 

A. not look at 

 B. refute the source . 

C. deny anything was wrong in doing so before the jury was handed the case for deliberation .

 Anywho

Officers delete footage taken of jurors in Kyle Rittenhouse trial (msn.com)

 
 
 
Tessylo
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12.2.8  Tessylo  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @12.2.7    4 years ago

I see you are still making shit up as you go along.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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12.2.11  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.9    4 years ago
Say, you've seen how this gets played out before, haven't you?

yup

 and thats why spoiled little brats that throw temper tantrums and accusing people of making shit up because it doesnt fit their narrative  only to be proven later the stuff supposedly made up to be correct  get thrown in the iggy bin ,. it saves everyone a considereble amount of time . in such case i ask someone to hand the person a cactus .

 i would do so myself , but i dont want cooties ....

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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12.2.12  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Texan1211 @12.2.10    4 years ago

Now if i were that judge ? i would be offering any remaining member of that jury ( i believe there are 18 left ) that if they did NOT have a permit to carry , that if they wanted one , they could come to him and he would sign off on them having one .

watch the little pinheads explode then .

 
 
 
Gsquared
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15  Gsquared    4 years ago

It's interesting, but not surprising, how people who have not heard all of the testimony, or viewed all of the evidence,  pretend they can foretell the result of a trial that is still in progress.  A trial where the outcome, despite the sensationalist headline of the seed, is still very much OPEN.  In fact, the quoted bit of testimony has been misconstrued by the seeder and not analyzed in its full context.  That, of course, is occasioned solely by political bias.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Gsquared @15    4 years ago

people will generally know once a prosecutor presents their case and the witnesses they decide to call if they will lean guilty or not guilty , having watched this trial , the prosecution has failed to make the case stated in opening arguments , and has more so presented the defenses case for them .

 to my mind , this prosecutor did a very piss poor job of making his case , he basically squatted on a cactus while wearing spurs .

Whose fault is that ? his own .

 
 
 
Gsquared
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15.1.1  Gsquared  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1    4 years ago
people will generally know

... and will generally be wrong more often than not.

having watched this trial

Unless you've been present in the courtroom every minute of every day since the original jury panel was brought into the courtroom to begin the jury selection process (voir dire), then, respectfully, no, you have not.

The only truthful answer to the question "what do you think the verdict is going to be" is "I don't know".  When the jury delivers its verdict, then we will have the answer.  And not a moment sooner.

 
 
 
goose is back
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15.1.2  goose is back  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.1    4 years ago
Unless you've been present in the courtroom every minute of every day since the original jury panel was brought into the courtroom to begin the jury selection process (voir dire), then, respectfully, no, you have not.

You think the media won't tell us if it was gong bad for Rittenhouse....LOL!

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.3  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Gsquared @15.1.1    4 years ago
The only truthful answer to the question "what do you think the verdict is going to be" is "I don't know".

 And to that i say HORSE FUCKING SHIT!

 MY answer would be , IF i were on the jury , with what i have seen presented so far ... and the conclusion i would have reached ,  which is exactly what i have done so far . can some surprise still happen ? yes , by some unfathomab;le reason , ritterhouse could take the stand even though he doesnt have to and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory , stupider shit has happened .

 dont like it to fucking bad . thanks for playing now step aside . your opiion has been regisrtered and rejected with due cause .

 
 
 
Gsquared
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15.1.4  Gsquared  replied to  goose is back @15.1.2    4 years ago

You think some reporter's opinion would have any bearing on the jury's decision or the outcome of the case?  (Sorry, I don't use texting acronyms.  I leave that for teenagers.)

 
 
 
Ender
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15.1.5  Ender  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.4    4 years ago

I just saw a segment about his trial on the news.

They are making him look like an innocent baby.

I think the kid has mental problems.

 
 
 
Gsquared
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15.1.6  Gsquared  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.3    4 years ago

Talk about HORSE FUCKING SHIT.   Your opinion is irrelevant, and your comment is the height of stupidity.  You're not on the jury, and if you were, your responsibility is to not make a decision until ALL the evidence is in, the closing arguments have been presented, and the judge instructs you in the law.  You're just another ******* on the internet, like so many, expressing an uneducated opinion.   If you want to know what ******* stands for look at which orifice the HORSE SHIT you're spewing is coming from.

 
 
 
Ender
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15.1.7  Ender  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.6    4 years ago

I watched part of the other trial about the killing of the jogger.

They came to a weird law that actually went to the supreme court.

Something about how co-defendants cannot accuse one another of crimes. Or something.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.8  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Gsquared @15.1.6    4 years ago

i would say it looks similar to where your opinions come from  councelor . fact is it doesnt always work the way you think it should .

 nothing says any juror can not decide , once the prosecution rests , if said prosecutor met their objective , . in this case the prosecution met the defenses objective . the defense from my stand point as irrelevent as you say it is is the defense simply has to now tweek what the prosecution and its witnesses has already presented and a not guilty verdict would be forthcoming , like it or not .

 be very glad i am NOT on that jury , because my first words in the deliberation room  to the other selected jurors would be the prosecution failed to make their case and not guilty so dont try and get a compromise verdict .

 
 
 
Gsquared
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15.1.10  Gsquared  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.8    4 years ago

Since you have no knowledge of the totality of the evidence, your horseshit opinion is based on bias alone.  Which is exactly what we don't want from a juror in America.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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15.1.11  JohnRussell  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.3    4 years ago

It is expected that Rittenhouse will take the stand, mainly because his defense lawyer said in his opening statement that he would. If they were to change that now it might not play well with the jury. 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
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15.1.12  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ender @15.1.5    4 years ago

well they did prove that rosenbaum had mental issues even if the jury was only told he was released the day he died , but not what he was released about, doesnt matter really since his GF testified he was bipolar and wasnt able to take his meds because he couldnt get them filled because of the riots  .. i take it he solved his own mental issues with his actions .

 
 
 
Ender
Professor Principal
15.1.13  Ender  replied to  Mark in Wyoming @15.1.12    4 years ago

Sorry but that is kinda sick.

He still didn't deserve to die.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
Professor Principal
15.1.14  Sean Treacy  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.1    4 years ago
e only truthful answer to the question "what do you think the verdict is going to be" is "I don't know". 

That's insane. 

It's perfectly " truthful" to offer an opinion on a future outcome.  If someone asks you who you believe will win the Super Bowl, you aren't lying if you say "I think the Bucs will win". 

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
15.1.16  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Ender @15.1.13    4 years ago

how do you stop somebody from committing suicide by cop or by proxy if you have never met them before?

rosembaum according to testimony was hyper agressive , hyper belligerant , had verbally threatened to kill, made feigning actions to goad people to shoot him . 

 others testified they did not see him as threat at the time because his actions towards them did not warrent that distinction .and thoise he was with restrained him

 what changed ? he took those actions the one next step in the confrontation and attempted contact .

In a case of self defense , which is what the defense claims and the prosecution has so graciously proven , and i do believe , rosembaum is the victim of his own stupidity of thinking he could do what he did , and the end result of someone defending themselves from assault  that would cause serious injury or death ended with his demise .

Im willing to bet rosembaum got exactly what he wanted , to die , since his suicide attempt , what he was being held for and released that day failed to do .

 
 
 
squiggy
Junior Silent
15.1.17  squiggy  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.1    4 years ago

“…is going to be" is "I don't know". “

You must carry an awful lot of extra clothes around with you - there’s no trust to be placed in those AccuWeather idiots.

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
15.1.18  Mark in Wyoming   replied to    4 years ago
Death by vigilante is not anything anyone should excuse

and with that statement you have the same problem the prosecutor had  and could not do and proved the opposite ., proving ritterhouse was a vigilante, your opinion which is all you have and no evidence  does not make him one . 

 the case and witnesses presented by the prosecution have pretty much shown in each instance , ritterhouse was not the so called vigilante , but those that went after him , self defense is not vigilanteism , it is called self defense and justifiable homicide , now each of the persons that died , or even all those that were shot , DID , try to take the law into their own hands without authority which is the definition of vigilante , they were just stupid enough to try to do so and suffered the consequences of their own foolish actions , where as ritterhouses actions were justified for each case he faced from all 3 assailants . so they have NO excuse for their actions that they chose to embark on themselves because it WAS their choice in how to react , they chose poorly . .

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
15.1.19  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  JohnRussell @15.1.11    4 years ago

and that can change , things change daily , in this case he has no reason to take the stand since the prosecutions case was a bust and didnt prove what was set out to be proven by them . he is better off just letting it stand as the prosecution has already laid out .... poorly.

the prosecution did such a fine job at presenting the defenses case , ritterhouse can decide he can add nothing more to it and change his mind .

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
15.1.20  Mark in Wyoming   replied to  Gsquared @15.1.10    4 years ago

that is your opinion and you are welcome to it , and like assholes everyone has one , some just stink to high heaven [deleted] .

 as for being an asshole , yeah that be me , i was born one , i just grew bigger .

 as for the "totality of the evidence " the prosecution rested , they wont be presenting anymore "evidence " they shot their wad and didnt prove their case . based on that , which is all i really need , them proving their case or not . an informed opinion can be made without the so called bias your accusing ., it is after all the prosecutions job to prove their allegations , again they didnt .

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
15.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.4    4 years ago

Tucker nails it in his opening comments on the topic!  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
15.1.22  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.6    4 years ago

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Tessylo
Professor Expert
15.1.23  Tessylo  replied to  Ender @15.1.13    4 years ago
"Sorry but that is kinda sick."

Kinda sick?

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Expert
15.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.10    4 years ago
"Since you have no knowledge of the totality of the evidence, your horseshit opinion is based on bias alone.  Which is exactly what we don't want from a juror in America." 

A total complete lack of knowledge - [Deleted]

 
 
 
Tessylo
Professor Expert
15.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  Gsquared @15.1.6    4 years ago

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XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
15.1.28  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Ender @15.1.13    4 years ago

He may not have deserved death but it seems by his actions that he wanted it.  Similar to a suicide by cop scenario here.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
15.1.29  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Sean Treacy @15.1.14    4 years ago

I often get called a liar by some for simply expressing something that is my opinion or the opinion of one I agree with.  

 
 
 
Mark in Wyoming
Professor Silent
16  Mark in Wyoming     4 years ago

 I just read that the judge threw out one of the charges after the prosecution rested at lunch time , the charge of breaking curfew ,  one of the slam dunk ones they COULD pin on him .

 
 

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