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Democratic Congressman Names and Shames His Own Constituents for Donating to Trump

  
Via:  Vic Eldred  •  7 years ago  •  200 comments


Democratic Congressman Names and Shames His Own Constituents for Donating to Trump
David Rutz of the Washington Free Beacon observes that Joaquin Castro’s “sad to see” comment is a step away from saying it’d “be a shame if something bad happened to your business.’”

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U.S. Congressman Joaquin Castro, a Democrat who represents a large portion of San Antonio, published a list of 44 San Antonio residents on Tuesday afternoon in an attempt to shame them and drive away customers from their businesses. Their crime? Donating to the Trump presidential campaign.

“Sad to see so many San Antonians as 2019 maximum donors to Donald Trump — the owner of ⁦ @BillMillerBarBQ ⁩, owner of the ⁦ @HistoricPearl , realtor Phyllis Browning, etc⁩,” Castro  wrote . “Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’” 

Joaquin Castro is the twin brother of Julián Castro, the former Obama HUD secretary and San Antonio mayor who is also a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate. Joaquin serves as chairman of his brother’s presidential campaign, which is currently polling at  1.6 percent  in the Texas Democratic primary, according to Emerson.

David Rutz of the  Washington Free Beacon   observes  that Joaquin Castro’s “sad to see” comment is a step away from saying it’d “be a shame if something bad happened to your business.’” Other p oliticians, such as Donald Trump himself, have been known to target big businesses, such as Jeff Bezos’s Amazon and the NFL. Castro’s targeting the owners of small businesses and even some retirees seems particularly off-putting.



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JOHN MCCORMACK  is the Washington correspondent for National Review and a fellow at the National Review Institute.


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Vic Eldred
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1  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

Putting people in danger, trying to create fear as a political weapon. The kind of thing done in Cuba or Iran or North Korea.

What a rotten soul!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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1.1  Sunshine  replied to  Vic Eldred @1    7 years ago
What a rotten soul!

These are the Democrats now.  They can't debate their policies so they try to destroy their competition by any means possible.  

Usually these dirty tricks backfire.  If I was in San Antonio, I would be having a good BBQ dinner tonight.

What is "sad to see" is he is a Congressional member.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2  seeder  Vic Eldred    7 years ago

The Governor of Texas responded in the best way possible:

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Greg Abbott

A perfect night for @BillMillerBarBQ

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Sean Treacy
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3  Sean Treacy    7 years ago

Deplorable behavior. 

If trump published  an enemies list of private citizens with their home addresses at a rally, the media would rightfully lose their mind.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.2  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Sean Treacy @3    7 years ago
If trump published  an enemies list of private citizens with their home addresses at a rally

"Cliff Sims worked on Trump's 2016 campaign and then for the White House as a communications aide until May 2018."

"Sims, (said) he was in a private huddle with the president and Keith Schiller, his personal bodyguard and longtime aide. They helped Trump write an enemies list using a Sharpie and White House stationery. "We're going to get rid of all the snakes, even the bottom-feeders," Trump said, according to Sims."

I guess having an actual private enemies list is far better than saying "sad to see" some person or business donated to Trump.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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5  It Is ME    7 years ago

"Democratic Congressman Names and Shames His Own Constituents for Donating to Trump"

But according to David himself.... "He didn't mean for it to be that way". jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

WTF did he think doing something like that would do (liberals are always looking for anything to shame Trump Supporters jrSmiley_25_smiley_image.gif ) ? 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8  Nerm_L    7 years ago

The Democratic Party has always used threats and intimidation since the party was created.  Everyone has forgotten that Democrats created the Ku Klux Klan for the purpose of threatening and intimidating people (not just voters).

The Democratic Party hasn't changed its political methods in two hundred years.  Today's Democratic Party has only attracted a diversity of bigots into its big tent of hate.  And if anyone doesn't like it then obviously they are racists who will be the target of Democratic threats and intimidation.  The Democratic Party of Jackson is still the Democratic Party of Jackson after two hundred years.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @8    7 years ago

Really? The Republican party has never done this? I know they have.

Can we try again.

This is why partisan politics stinks. Each side points fingers at each other for the same garbage they have pulled in the past. It's petty and it tears at the fabric of this nation.  

And for the record, I don't approve of this, but to make it sound like it's just the Dems that do it, is inaccurate. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    7 years ago
The Republican party has never done this?

Harass & intimidate an individual and or their families? Please give us an example.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    7 years ago

I thought the Sarah Sanders restaurant harassment was cute jrSmiley_102_smiley_image.gif , but the newest Mitch McConnell home harassment shown on FB, calling for him to be stabbed in the heart, was better. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.3  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    7 years ago

Does this ring a bell?

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Ask Gabby Gifford how she feels about this.

Is this not intimidation?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.2    7 years ago

They have done it to many.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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8.1.5  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.1    7 years ago
Harass & intimidate an individual and or their families? Please give us an example.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” - DJT

How is that not harassing and intimidating Mexican immigrants and their families?

A letter signed by Rep. Tom Emmer (R-Minn.) and House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) states that “the news of impactful, real progress on turning our nation around was undercut by biased media and hundreds of millions of dollars of anti-Republican propaganda put out by liberal special interests, funded by deep-pocketed far-left billionaires George Soros, Tom Steyer and Michael Bloomberg.”

How is that not the GOP harassing and intimidating private citizens and their businesses? The constant unfounded accusations against Soros are just one of many attacks on individuals that the Republicans regularly employ.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.6  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    7 years ago

Be careful Perrie. Palin is currently suing the New York Times for its' false claim that this ad had something to do with Giffords being shot. The Times already formally retracted its statement. I'd avoid having to do the same thing.

There was no connection between the Giffords shooting and this target map (which mimicked a similar ad by the DCCC). To claim one exists is dishonest. the loon who shot her was mad she could't answer his deranged question about grammer at a townhall.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.7  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    7 years ago

Oh, ya, the old smear of Palin. The outrageous claim that those pin points were actually targets and that Palin was calling for those people to be shot.

It was false then and it's false now. You still haven't shown where Republicans have this wing of thugs that goes out and harasses and intimidates it's opponents.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.5    7 years ago

Did you miss the part where Castro identified them by name and provided their addresses where they could be found?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.9  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @8.1.5    7 years ago
How is that not harassing and intimidating Mexican immigrants and their families?

First of all it has nothing to do with Mexican immigrants. It had to do with the Mexican government and illegal immigrants OR DON"T YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.10  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.7    7 years ago

You have got to be kidding Vic. What do you think Sarah was doing? Even if she didn't mean to shoot them, she was targeting them in very much the same way. 

So what is false?

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.11  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.4    7 years ago
They have done it to many.

Yes they have !

And now the "Left" is SCREAMING that these last shootings are because of Trumps rhetoric, but seem to ignore their own ACTUAL ACTIONS have been far worse. It's like it's okay for them to act , but no one is allowed to just speak.

It's like the "Left" doesn't have a clue.

Sorry about the last statement.  I really already new "Clue" is just a board game in Liberal World. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.12  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    7 years ago

At least an "Assault Weapon" wasn't used huh.jrSmiley_98_smiley_image.gif

Do you wonder how Scalise feels ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.13  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.6    7 years ago

Sean let her sue. Even if she didn't mean to shoot those reps, she was targeting them and their families in much the same way that you all are complaining about now.

And this is the amazing part, where I can come out and say that Castro was wrong, neither you or Vic can say that Sarah was. 

Partisan politics at it's best. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.14  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.10    7 years ago
You have got to be kidding Vic.

It is I that am surprised.


What do you think Sarah was doing?

She was making the peoples elected officials accountable for their votes - in the hopes they be defeated. I have published how legislators have voted right on NT for the very same reason!

Even if she didn't mean to shoot them, she was targeting them in very much the same way.

She wanted them defeated. Because of a symbol used, somehow the left gets to call it an appeal for murder? Just think about that for a minute. It's not like she picked out the symbol or more important, that she ever used that type of rhetoric. If she had said something like I have thought about bombing the white House, then ya, maybe I'd grant you that. I really thought that was debunked long ago. Obama won - can't we finally admit what that was?


So what is false?

Yup, another twisting of the obvious into a call for murder!

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.16  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  It Is ME @8.1.11    7 years ago
but seem to ignore their own ACTUAL ACTIONS have been far worse.

You have an excellent point there.  I want people to think about that.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.18  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to    7 years ago
.but in political terms they were certainly singled out as targets. 

To be defeated in an election - WHICH IS FINE!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.19  It Is ME  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.16    7 years ago
I want people to think about that.

You're asking waaaaaay to much of "Some' people.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.22  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.13    7 years ago
neither you or Vic can say that Sarah was.

Correct because they are not the same!  Palin wanted people defeated in an election. The left wants people silenced!

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.24  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.21    7 years ago
You got that right!

I was right ……. On what ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.25  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.14    7 years ago
She was making the peoples elected officials accountable for their votes - in the hopes they be defeated. I have published how legislators have voted right on NT for the very same reason!

And you don't think that would cause people to act out in the same way that Castro is doing? Come on Vic. 

She wanted them defeated.

And Castro wants Trump defeated. He is hitting the big doners. They are both wrong for doing so in this manner. 

Yup, another twisting of the obvious into a call for murder!

No more than what Castro is doing. I never said that Sarah wanted them dead, but she wanted them harassed and defeated. It was irresponsible for her to do it just as it is irresponsible of Castro. 

And btw.. this goes both ways. How about armed Trump supporters showing up at a reps office? You know we can go on and on showing how partisan hacks do this, or we can say, that both sides are wrong and it should stop.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.26  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.23    7 years ago
What did the 'president' mean when he told Beto O'Rourke to 'be quiet'?

"Stupid" people should shut their mouths ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.27  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.23    7 years ago
That's pretty melodramatic.  How so?

Have you been reading along? McConnell's home was surrounded by threatening thugs. It happened to Chuck Schumer as well, along with many others. Haven't you heard anything about that?  Tess?  Anything?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.28  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.22    7 years ago
Correct because they are not the same!  Palin wanted people defeated in an election. The left wants people silenced!

What do you think Sarah was trying to do? Not silence them? This is all about intimidation. That is the discussion here. Sarah was trying to intimidate. You can twist this any way you like, but that is plain as the nose on my face. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.29  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    7 years ago
Really? The Republican party has never done this? I know they have.

Republicans may or may not have done so.  And? 

The Democratic Party has definitely engaged in racial politics using threats and intimidation for the last two hundred years.  The Democratic Party really is responsible for creating the Ku Klux Klan.  Blaming others won't change the history of the Democratic Party.  The Democratic Party was established to be the party of slavery and racial division.

Pointing fingers at others won't change the history of the Democratic Party.  Tearing down all the statues of southern Democrats may hide the party's past but the stain of history is still there.

The history of the Democratic Party is not partisan.  History is history.  If that history is unacceptable then why be a Democrat?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.31  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.25    7 years ago
And you don't think that would cause people to act out in the same way that Castro is doing?

Castro isn't making officials accountable for their votes - he is posting the names of people who donate money to the Trump campaign - local people lining in the San Antonio area. 

Come on Vic. 

Private individuals! Hands off! 

And Castro wants Trump defeated. He is hitting the big doners. They are both wrong for doing so in this manner. 

No, Castro wants him removed through impeachment and or an election! The "big doners" had their small businesses tossed into the mix. Where is the decency?

but she wanted them harassed 

No, she didn't! Where did she call for that? 

 It was irresponsible for her to do it just as it is irresponsible of Castro. 

We all need to see how our elected officials vote. Harry Reid didn't allow votes on budgets for that very reason.

And btw.. this goes both ways. How about armed Trump supporters showing up at a reps office? 

Link please?


You know we can go on and on showing how partisan hacks do this, or we can say, that both sides are wrong and it should stop.

NEVER....It is the tactics of the left and only the left.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.32  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.30    7 years ago
Then the 'president' should heed that advice.  

Do you even know what Beto said ?

Do you even know who Beto is ?

 
 
 
lady in black
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8.1.33  lady in black  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.3    7 years ago

This is okay because it was palin that did it doncha know

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.34  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.31    7 years ago
Castro isn't making officials accountable for their votes - he is posting the names of people who donate money to the Trump campaign - local people lining in the San Antonio area. 

Yes, so that people will not patron their business and write. No where is he calling for violence. It is still wrong!

Private individuals! Hands off! 

Really? Would you say the same thing about Soros? He is a private individual. 

No, Castro wants him removed through impeachment and or an election! The "big doners" had their small businesses tossed into the mix. Where is the decency?

You are conflating the two. This has nothing to do with impeachment. This has to do with donations to the Trump campaign. 

No, she didn't! Where did she call for that? 

Palin’s rhetoric is decidedly militant. “We’ll aim for these races and many others,” she wrote on her Facebook page

And btw.. this goes both ways. How about armed Trump supporters showing up at a reps office? 

Link please?

PHOENIX   — On Thursday, January 25, 2018, several armed Trump supporters, carrying Trump flags, surrounded Arizona state Representative Pamela Hannley and yelled at her about her “protecting illegals” near the state Capitol in Phoenix. Close by, on their way to lunch, were Representative Eric Descheenie (D-Chinle) and Representative Wenona Benally (D-Window Rock). Both are Navajo.

NEVER....It is the tactics of the left and only the left.

I'm truly sorry that you are blind to the problem. This is a tactic of both parties, no matter how you want to see it. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.37  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.34    7 years ago
No where is he calling for violence.

It'll happen. It's even condoned these days without saying it in specific terms.....right ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.38  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @8.1.35    7 years ago
You've got to be kidding me.   "Even if she didn't mean to shoot them"?  Seriously?   Are you claiming that she even contemplated actually shooting someone?

First of all, I have said I that I don't think she meant to shoot them. It was still irresponsible for her to use targets in her graphics. It's really easy to take that to mean something else. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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8.1.39  Greg Jones  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1    7 years ago

The Republican party has never done this? I know they have.

Can you provide some examples?

The lefts use of threats, fear, intimidation are well known and getting worse. It looks like the Republicans are going to have to start doubling down on them.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.40  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.36    7 years ago
Of course I know what Beto said.

Care to expand ?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.41  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.34    7 years ago
Really? Would you say the same thing about Soros? He is a private individual. 

Soros the foreign millionaire who meddles in US elections? Think about what your saying Perrie.

You are conflating the two. This has nothing to do with impeachment. This has to do with donations to the Trump campaign. 

It has to do with the nature of Castro who hates Trump and wants him removed anyway possible as do many others.

Palin’s rhetoric is decidedly militant. “We’ll aim for these races and many others,” she wrote on her Facebook page

And you detected a call for violence from that?

On Thursday, January 25, 2018, several armed Trump supporters, carrying Trump flags, surrounded Arizona state Representative Pamela Hannley and yelled at her about her “protecting illegals” 

Protecting illegals is illegal!


 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.42  It Is ME  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.38    7 years ago
It was still irresponsible for her to use targets in her graphics. It's really easy to take that to mean something else. 

Did you take it the way some seem to have ?

Does "Mental Illness" come into play if someone does take it as a specific "Kill Area" instead of what it really meant ?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.44  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.41    7 years ago
Soros the foreign millionaire who meddles in US elections? Think about what your saying Perrie.

No, Soros is an American. He was born in Hungry but became an American citizen. Try again.

It has to do with the nature of Castro who hates Trump and wants him removed anyway possible as do many others.

Indeed, much in the same way that Sarah did.

And you detected a call for violence from that?

No more than Castro.

On Thursday, January 25, 2018, several armed Trump supporters, carrying Trump flags, surrounded Arizona state Representative Pamela Hannley and yelled at her about her “protecting illegals” 

That is NOT the issue. They came to her armed. That is menacing and it is not their right. I don't care what the reason is, they had no reason to come there like that. Had they come to protest i would be fine with that, but they came armed and that is just so wrong I have no words for it.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.45  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Greg Jones @8.1.39    7 years ago
he Republican party has never done this? I know they have. Can you provide some examples?

Greg, I did already. Please read through the thread.

The lefts use of threats, fear, intimidation are well known and getting worse. It looks like the Republicans are going to have to start doubling down on them.

Again, already being discussed. You seem to miss the point. You think that making this worse is better? Please rethink that.

 
 
 
It Is ME
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8.1.46  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @8.1.43    7 years ago

Beto sure does have a race baiting potty mouth.

Especially since he's just a 1%'er in the presidential race.

Maybe his race baiting potty mouth will get him another 1% in the race ?

So much for the "Good Ol' Boy" persona vanity fair made him out to be. jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.47  Nerm_L  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.31    7 years ago
Castro isn't making officials accountable for their votes - he is posting the names of people who donate money to the Trump campaign - local people lining in the San Antonio area. 

Castro is doxxing people.  Is that acceptable here on NT?  Why are people here defending doxxing?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.48  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.44    7 years ago
No, Soros is an American. He was born in Hungry but became an American citizen. Try again.

Yes, Let us get that straight - he holds duel citizenship within the US and Hungary.

Indeed, much in the same way that Sarah did.

I'm sure she didn't want her opponents impeached, imprisoned or murdered! She only wanted them voted out.

No more than Castro.

Then you are being very generous, Did you know he even listed one of his own doners, all to hit Trump!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.49  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.29    7 years ago

Nerm,

We are not talking about race politics here. We are talking about intimidation in politics. 

The moment anyone declares themself to be loyal to a party.. any party, they are partisan. I am an independent. I hold no such party loyalty, hence my position on this subject. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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8.1.50  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.49    7 years ago

I think Nerm has raised interesting questions in post # 8.1.47.  What do you say on that?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.51  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.48    7 years ago
Yes, Let us get that straight - he holds duel citizenship within the US and Hungary.

Which still makes him an American citizen, with full voting rights unlike what you implied by saying:

Soros the foreign millionaire who meddles in US elections? Think about what your saying Perrie.

He is allowed to spend his money legally on elections because he is an American. Not that I necessarily support his POV, which I state before that gets twisted into something else. 

I'm sure she didn't want her opponents impeached, imprisoned or murdered! She only wanted them voted out.

That is an assumption. 

Then you are being very generous, Did you know he even listed one of his own doners, all to hit Trump!

I would only be generous if I agreed with this tactic, which I said from the get-go that I am not. I had 2 points to make here:

  1. That partisan politics had gone way too far.
  2. That no party is as white as snow. 

And again, as I said from the beginning I do not support what Castro did, but it has been done before by Republicans and so no one can claim the high ground. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.52  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.50    7 years ago

Vic,

This has been already established by me where I stand on this. It is up to Nerm to find my posts. I can't speak for others here, so as for this being OK on NT, well this has nothing to do with NT as an entity. It is a discussion forum with different POV's

 
 
 
JBB
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8.1.53  JBB  replied to  Vic Eldred @8.1.41    7 years ago

By your logic our Slovenian first lady should be staying out of politics...

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.54  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.49    7 years ago
We are not talking about race politics here. We are talking about intimidation in politics. 

We're not talking about racial politics?  Then why is Joaquin Castro quoted as writing “Their contributions are fueling a campaign of hate that labels Hispanic immigrants as ‘invaders.’”  

Democrats have used racial politics to intimidate people throughout the history of the Democratic Party.  The Castro example is all about using race to justify intimidation.

The moment anyone declares themself to be loyal to a party.. any party, they are partisan. I am an independent. I hold no such party loyalty, hence my position on this subject. 

That doesn't change the question.  If the history of the Democratic Party is unacceptable then why be a Democrat?  For independents that question would become why support Democrats? 

The history of the Democratic Party is not partisan; it's historical fact.  Nathan Bedford Forrest was a Democrat and the Ku Klux Klan he created were Democrats using threats and intimidation to win elections.  George Wallace was a Democrat.  Democrats switching targets hasn't changed the nature of racial politics to justify threatening and intimidating people. 

Joaquin Castro is being consistent with the two hundred year history of the Democratic Party.

 
 
 
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8.1.55  Raven Wing   replied to  Tessylo @8.1.36    7 years ago
The 'president' needs to heed his own advice and shut up!

AMEN TO THAT!!

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.1.56  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.51    7 years ago
so no one can claim the high ground. 

I think the timing is completely reckless.  You have a state that is suffering and scared, and one of their Congressional leaders decides to put out a target list.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.57  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.54    7 years ago

Nerm,

First of all, the topic is not racism.

Second, the Democratic party is not 200 years old.

For independents that question would become why support Democrats? 

It would depend on the Democrat, just as it would depend on the Republican. Independents vote issue and person, not party. Each party has its beauties in the past. So we look forward. Heck, if there was a third party to vote for that was viable, I would vote for them, too, but our 2 party system has made sure that they made it almost impossible to have a third party. So we just chose the lessor of two evils at that time. 

Really for us, it is an awful way to vote, but that is the reality of the issue.

And do you realize how inconsistent you are being when you say that the Dems were started by the KKK (it was) and then say Castro a Latino who the KKK would despise, represents what the founding of the party WAS?  

Should we also remember that although Lincoln freed the slaves that he was also a racist and was deeply concerned about what to do with all the freed slaves? That he actually didn't believe that whites and blacks were equal. Does that represent the Republican party now?

It's ridiculous to make any comparison back to the founding of these parties. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.58  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sunshine @8.1.56    7 years ago

I'm not agreeing with him Sunshine. I am not sure how many times I have to say that. I am just saying that this has been going on in politics for quite a long time already and we need to not tolerate it any longer.

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
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8.1.59  Sean Treacy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.13    7 years ago

Partisan politics at it's best. 

I'll say. You're clinging to a false narrative that even the New York Times apologized for to create some sort of "both sides do it" narrative which is just false. At this point, connecting the Giffords shooting to Palin is as dishonest as claiming Obama was born in Kenya.  It's simply false and perpetuating it, regardless if you fear being sued or not, is simply not honest. 

where I can come out and say that Castro was wrong, neither you or Vic can say that Sarah was

I can say Palin was wrong about a whole of things.But I won't say she was wrong about that ad, anymore than I would say the Democrats were wrong for doing the same thing. That's the apples to apples comparison and my position is consistent between both Palin and the Democrats.  And neither the Democrats ad nor Palin's remotely equates to a politician publishing the private addresses of private citizens. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
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8.1.61  Nerm_L  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.57    7 years ago
First of all, the topic is not racism.

The topic is Joaquin Castro using racial politics to justify intimidating people by doxxing them.

Second, the Democratic party is not 200 years old.

Okay.  The Democratic Party is 191 years, 6 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days old (as of Aug. 7, 2019).  The Democratic Party was founded on January 8, 1828, by Andrew Jackson and Martin Van Buren.  Andrew Jackson was the 7th President.  Martin Van Buren was the 8th President.  All Democratic Presidents elected before the Civil War supported the institution of slavery.

  

And do you realize how inconsistent you are being when you say that the Dems were started by the KKK (it was) and then say Castro a Latino who the KKK would despise, represents what the founding of the party WAS?  

I am saying that Joaquin Castro is engaging in the same type of politics as Democrats did when they created the KKK.  The Democratic Party has not changed its use of racial politics.  The Democratic Party has only attracted a greater diversity of bigots which, naturally, has altered the specific racial politics being pursued by Democrats to accommodate that diversity.

It's ridiculous to make any comparison back to the founding of these parties. 

If Democrats continue to use racial divisions and racial resentments to justify threats and intimidation then the Democratic Party really hasn't changed since its founding.  Different bigots, same politics.

Antebellum Democrats invented political correctness by claiming to be arbiters of proper behavior, speech, and social standards involving race and  enforced that political correctness by threat and intimidation.  The party of Jackson is still the party of Jackson 191 years, 6 months, 3 weeks, and 6 days later.  

 
 
 
Sunshine
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8.1.62  Sunshine  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.58    7 years ago
I'm not agreeing with him Sunshine.

I didn't think you where. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.63  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Nerm_L @8.1.61    7 years ago

Nerm,

The democratic party as you are referring to happened in with a split in the 1870's after "Reconstruction". That makes it 149 years old. 

And both parties have used racial politics. It does not belong to just the Dems. 

Antebellum Democrats invented political correctness by claiming to be arbiters of proper behavior, speech, and social standards involving race and  enforced that political correctness by threat and intimidation. 

No Nerm. Antebellum Democrats were the KKK. Civil rights Dems of the 1960's are the ones you are talking about and I would have to say that threat and intimidation have been used by both parties.. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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8.1.64  JohnRussell  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.63    7 years ago

Nerm has yet to be acquainted to the 20th century (let alone the 21st) when it comes to race and politics. 

I pointed out to them that since 1930 over 95% of the black members of Congress, House and Senate, have been elected as DEMOCRATS. 

That is an inconvenient fact for people like Nerm to deal with. 

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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8.1.65  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Sean Treacy @8.1.59    7 years ago

Sean,

I really don't care about what the NYT apologized for or didn't. Maybe they don't have the stomach to take on Palin, but we all know the expression that a picture is worth a thousand words and no matter what she thought (maybe it catchy o was trying to be humorous) she could have used any other marker than a target to give some lunatic an idea. How we chose to express ourselves does count.

I can say Palin was wrong about a whole of things.But I won't say she was wrong about that ad, anymore than I would say the Democrats were wrong for doing the same thing. That's the apples to apples comparison and my position is consistent between both Palin and the Democrats.  And neither the Democrats ad nor Palin's remotely equates to a politician publishing the private addresses of private citizens. 

Sean, I have already said it was wrong. But how is that different from say this:

vs Casto's tweet:

I don't see any names or personal addersses. Do you?

But let me make this clear, what I just said is not an endorcement of what Castro did. I am just showing you that it is done all the time.

And ss Newsweek posted:

Critics argued that such a post by a sitting member of Congress in the wake of mass shootings and hyper partisan tensions could persuade people to commit politically-motivated acts of violence, despite the information posted by Castro being publicly available online via the Federal Elections Commission .

I think our politicans should all think before they post.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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8.1.66  Raven Wing   replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @8.1.65    7 years ago
I think our politicans should all think before they post.

And most of all, before they open their mouths. As the saying goes....."Words do matter." And when words meant to deliberately incite hate and violence that results in the shooting of others, then the person whose mouth they come out of is just as guilty as if they themselves pulled the trigger. 

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9  Dismayed Patriot    7 years ago
David Rutz of the  Washington Free Beacon   observes  that Joaquin Castro’s “sad to see” comment is a step away from saying it’d “be a shame if something bad happened to your business.’”

So, "sad to see" is just a step from making threats towards specific people or groups? Well then what would this be called?

“When the owner of Bill Miller BBQ sends his people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people..."

How is that not a direct call for violence against the person/group being mentioned there if "sad to see" is supposedly a near threat?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9    7 years ago

Nope, there is no relation between the two things. The false outrage based on the perceived insults to the "other" is a form of hate in a class all it's own!

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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9.1.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1    7 years ago
Nope, there is no relation between the two things.

I agree, calling someone or some group "rapists" is a lot worse than saying it's "sad to see" someone donating to Trump. We saw this last week what can happen when the leader of a party gins up such intense fear and hatred of a group of people.

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.2  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @9.1.1    7 years ago
when the leader of a party gins up such intense fear and hatred of a group of people

Obama and Hillary are gone now so I think we can heal.

 
 
 
lib50
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9.1.3  lib50  replied to  Vic Eldred @9.1.2    7 years ago

Do you think Trump gins up intense fear and hatred?

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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9.1.4  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  lib50 @9.1.3    7 years ago

No. Do you think calling millions of Americans "clingers" & "deplorables" might be ginning up fear & hatred? Or is it ok if it gets out the minority vote?

 
 
 
Sunshine
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9.1.7  Sunshine  replied to  Tessylo @9.1.5    7 years ago
unless you fear and hate the truth.

Problem is that it isn't the truth.

 
 
 
Sunshine
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9.1.8  Sunshine  replied to  XXJefferson51 @9.1.6    7 years ago
Biden’s speech today was full of ginning up fear and hatred of other Americans.

Yeah he is good at that.

"They are going to put y'all back in chains!"

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11  JohnRussell    7 years ago

We have a president that has used the word "invasion" or "invaders" to refer to hispanics 200 times in his online re-election videos ,

and then someone shoots up a gathering of hispanics in a department store and declares that he did it to stem an invasion of hispanics into America

and we still have people saying "both sides" of politics are an equal problem in America today

it is insanity

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11    7 years ago

Youv'e been stirring the pot since it happened. Haven't enough people died?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1    7 years ago

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Vic Eldred
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11.1.3  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.1    7 years ago
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My party never backed a Communist, too bad you can't say the same!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
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11.1.4  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Release The Kraken @11.1.2    7 years ago

That is awful. Thanks goodness it was just a just a one off. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
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11.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Vic Eldred @11.1.3    7 years ago

so you are obsessed with communists. lol

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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11.1.8  seeder  Vic Eldred  replied to  JohnRussell @11.1.5    7 years ago
so you are obsessed with communists. lol

John, it was you who injected Communists

 
 
 
1stwarrior
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11.2  1stwarrior  replied to  JohnRussell @11    7 years ago

John - Trump hasn't blamed the Hispanics - he is blaming the INVADERS, the ILLEGAL ALIENS, the LAW BREAKERS.  What the shooter said can't be tied to anything that Trump said as a serious statement.  Trump has NEVER advocated killing the foreign INVADERS, but he has, very openly, advocated their deportation.  How the shooter interpreted that is something neither you nor anyone else except the shooter can do accurately.

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12  MrFrost    7 years ago

This information is available via public records. Also, he's just being non-pc, which trump approves of.


 
 
 
Sunshine
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12.1  Sunshine  replied to  MrFrost @12    7 years ago

So what was the need for him to do it?

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  Sunshine @12.1    7 years ago

So what was the need for him to do it?

Freedom of speech. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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12.1.2  Sunshine  replied to  MrFrost @12.1.1    7 years ago

dumb response

 
 
 
MrFrost
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12.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  Sunshine @12.1.2    7 years ago

dumb response

So you don't support freedom of speech, got it, good to know. 

 
 
 
Sunshine
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12.1.5  Sunshine  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.4    7 years ago

Frost is jrSmiley_76_smiley_image.gif

Wonder how far he will go? jrSmiley_4_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
Greg Jones
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12.2  Greg Jones  replied to  MrFrost @12    7 years ago

So you have no problem with a Republican government official releasing your personal information just so some people can come and intimidate and threaten you?

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
12.2.1  MrFrost  replied to  Greg Jones @12.2    7 years ago

So you have no problem with a Republican government official releasing your personal information just so some people can come and intimidate and threaten you?

When I am a US Congressman, knock yourself out. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Guide
12.2.3  MrFrost  replied to  XDm9mm @12.2.2    7 years ago
He named PRIVATE CITIZENS and businesses. Are you ok with Trump or any other government official doing the exact same thing to you?

Again, if you donate to a political campaign, it's public knowledge. All he did was post already publicly available information, so why EXACTLY is that a problem? 

And no, I would have no problems with my publicly available information being...publicly available because I literally have nothing to hide. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
Professor Guide
13  Tacos!    7 years ago

Sure, this information wasn't secret, but you draw people's attention to it for a reason. i.e., you want a reaction. What is that reaction going to be? I think we can safely assume that his intention was that the reaction is negative in some way. Maybe it will be a boycott. Maybe it will be some kind of verbal harassment. Maybe it will be violence. Is there potential positive value in this? I don't see it. Coming from someone in government, this is an attack on the 1st Amendment - in spirit if not in the letter of the law.

 
 

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