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The Liberal Problem in America

  

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Via:  heartland-american  •  6 years ago  •  121 comments

The Liberal Problem in America

Donald Trump brought the void to the entire liberal establishment. He brought it emptiness and confusion and, more importantly, he brought it fear of the American people. The liberal sun is setting in the West, and all that remains for its worshippers is an unbearable sorrow for the power they have lost, of bewilderment and anger, a sense of the lengthening shadows of their irrelevance, and a gathering realization that, from having dwelt within the deep corruption of the Obama administration, they have nothing to offer the people but their old socialist handbooks, their consuming hatred for the new president, and a roiling temper of revenge.

The liberal mind is a dark place -- an irrational, predatory, enslaving, and uncivilizing influence. It has become its own refuge, its own closed system of thought and behavior, its own electric carnival of delusions. It can switch reality on and off with the swipe of a finger. It can turn wishful clay on a magic potter's wheel until it has made new creeds out of its own lies and new religions out of government. Its proselytes have placed their left hands upon Marx and sworn an oath of fealty to a pernicious ideology of power. Not only have its priests and ministers raised society above the individual in their egalitarian rituals, but they have also elevated the state above society. They eulogize "diversity" and "inclusion" in their propaganda, but when the diverse and the included have entered the great House of Liberal Thought, the wide doors close behind them, and they are not permitted to leave.

In Philip K. Dick's sci-fi classic, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, the remnants of humanity that have not emigrated off-world live in cities perpetually darkened by the clouds and radioactive dust of a post-Terminal War. The people dwell in communities that are neither society nor civilization. With most forms of life made extinct by war, they have created animal and human counterfeits to merge with the remaining culture as a necessary means of survival. No one knows with certainty if anything is real, and no one cares to ask. Better to live with viable simulacra and mood-altering machines than to acknowledge the truth of what intelligence gone wrong had made of the world. Reality is only a suggestion -- and even the androids think they are human.

The liberal establishment is too much like this closed, unavailing, dysfunctional state following the Trump apocalypse. Liberals have fallen into a slough of nihilism, for a high tide of common sense has poured over their little castles made of sand; and now they must survive on the products of weak imagination and alternative certainties, on implanted memories of things that never were and on the futility of things that cannot be. Their unreality, however, is a dynamic medium, changeable with art and perfectible with language. To speak this language is to speak a terrible ignorance that misinforms with purpose, an ignorance that does not tolerate correction -- a language that makes hatred possible. And if they can survive on the authorship of their own fictional reality, one can only wonder at their infinite capacity for self-delusion. To lie and believe the lie is to forswear one's humanity; and one might therefore ask of liberals if they too think they are human.  

It is a universal irony that the study of democratic societies should often prove a history of free peoples searching for tyrants to enslave them. One has only to examine the bloody record of democratic origins and endings to understand the multifold opportunities available to radical interests for exploitation and overthrow. Although America's republican form of government provides the greatest resistance to despotic methods, it cannot entirely escape the vulnerabilities inherent to the democratic process itself. We now find our nation disturbed by the cultish and non-moral spirit of intellectual dishonesty, error and arrogance that defines the liberal problem in America, for although liberal activists have proven the perfect stewards of the nation's political and cultural decline, yet they scorn the world that offers no thanks for their instruction.

It is the definitive modern liberal conceit: that the world waits upon instruction. There are legitimate spaces in our literature for fantasy and imagination, but handbooks on racial politics and social justice are not among them. Liberalism is a mythos of political narratives in which the settled laws of human nature do not apply, thus allowing for an infinite range of social theories to flourish and multiply unconnected to reality. Its poets do not answer to reason; rather, they are hard-wired to the sentiments that direct reason towards misshapen ends. The ability to persuade oneself with one's own lies, to willingly forfeit one's conscience to the tribe, and to justify one's own corruption by teaching it to others is a genius discovered only in a truly liberal intelligence. The modern cult of liberalism thus affords some gratification to the uncounted numbers of unfinished minds desperately looking for a great lie to believe in -- for the lie shall set them free of conscience, personal responsibility and the burden of defending freedom itself.

History is the axis of every passing moment. We participate in the constant turning of that necessary human study and its promise of greater understanding. A long familiarity with the ungovernable forces of human nature must precede all political reflections. Only through that gate are we allowed to proceed along a determined course of right action. The study of history informs us, however, that we are now caught in the march of folly -- bitter, repetitive clashes of misguided ideology and founding principles -- in which each succeeding administration of our government, in order to accomplish its ends, must first destroy the works of its predecessor. If this is not folly, then the word has no meaning. Folly is a universal solvent -- a progressive agent of change. In its triumph, it has reduced many forms of government to an elemental sludge; and its influence is certain to continue through American politics, as the authors of liberal doctrine have promised a Stalinist annihilation of history itself.

History is abandoned when social theorists believe they know all the answers. According to the leftist handbooks, democracies are little more than precursor states with limited life spans, necessary procedural stages for a new authoritarian world order ultimately without political parties, without choice, without freedom, but with an absolute promise of social equality -- reminiscent of the old Soviet bloc system. The prospect of eventual one-party rule is the reason why leftists regard democracy so highly; and that length of darkness is the path that liberal instruction is now taking the Democratic Party.

Every presidential election, from this moment onward, will represent a hinged point in the trajectory of historical freedom -- an unequivocal turning towards or turning from the founding principles of our nation. The world anticipates 2021, the year in which Philip Dick set his post-apocalyptic tale. We should know by that time if progressive interests have recovered the political powers commensurate with their contempt for the American people, the great majority of whom, the left believe, are governable only by force. That reliable plantations have already been established by the left gives credence to their despotic sentiment, outlining the prototype and purpose of a new dystopian form of liberalism for the 21st Century.   http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2018/02/the_liberal_problem_in_america.html


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The Magic 8 Ball
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1  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago
America's republican form of government provides the greatest resistance to despotic methods

and that just pisses the left off to no end. another problem is our country is too big for the playbook. they simply can not create enough chaos to bring in their new order.  if the usa was the size of germany with all of the bs and riots of the last 9yrs in such a tiny space... we would be in full blown civil war by now.

who cares if they burn a few liberal cities... matters not one bit.

the funny part is the left thinks by getting rid of trump (as if) that would make everything better when in fact the backlash from that would only result in even bigger losses for the left.  but as that aint gonna happen... my premise is unprovable, so mere speculation on my part.

 when trump gets re-elected in 2020 the left will absolutely freek out... should be good fun for everyone :)

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
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1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @1    6 years ago

 "when trump gets re-elected in 2020 the left will absolutely freek out"

Maybe they'll all try to immigrate to Canada.  Won't be a problem, Trudeau will welcome everthing that walks on two feet, and maybe even welcome Aliens from another planet, and then pass laws that will guarantee that criminal behaviour by immigrants is acceptable.  I love my country, but it could use a Prime Minister who has a brain in his head - he sure as hell didn't inherit any genes from his father.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago
with their contempt for the American people, the great majority of whom, the left believe, are governable only by force.

the bill of rights = tools against tyranny

there is a reason the left (federalists) did not want the bill of rights then and why they attack free speech and gun rights now

  free speech and gun rights give the people more force than govt.

this govt does not tell us what to do.  in this country we tell the govt what we will allow them to do and as long as "we the people" maintain the bullets and the balls to stand on it... we the people will continue to own this country.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2    6 years ago

That’s the biggest issue with the progressives.  That we give consent to be governed and they are our public servants.  They want us to be serf /subjects willing to do what we are told by our governing masters which they now aspire to be.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.1  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago
They want us to be serf /subjects willing to do what we are told by our governing masters which they now aspire to be.

Only in your wildest dreams. The same can be said of the Republican side as well.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.2  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.1    6 years ago
Only in your wildest dreams

in my wildest dreams I never thought any person or administration would be stupid enough or authoritarian enough to try and claim the commerce clause gives the feds power to tell us what to buy.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
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2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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2.1.4  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.3    6 years ago

Please stick to the subject of the seeded article and avoid detailing off topic matters such as attacking the source.  

 
 
 
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2.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.4    6 years ago

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XXJefferson51
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2.1.6  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  JohnRussell @2.1.5    6 years ago

I as the seeder requested that everyone stay on topic.  You disregarded.  The source IS NOT the topic.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.7  Raven Wing  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.2    6 years ago

If you don't like it, then do your civic duty to change it to your own liking instead of just bitching about it. Ah....yes....it is so much easier to just bitch about it than to actually try to change it.

Bitch on.......see how far it gets you in resolving your complaint. 

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.8  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @2.1.6    6 years ago
The liberal mind is a dark place -- an irrational, predatory, enslaving, and uncivilizing influence

Do you think you're following the CoC by posting this diatribe?  I think not.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.9  Raven Wing  replied to  katrix @2.1.8    6 years ago

Sounds more like he is talking about his own mind. 

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.12  katrix  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.11    6 years ago

Oh, please.  The left has their issues .. but the right is pandering to a narcissist who lies and cheats, while pretending they're the party of morality.  Morals and ethics, and support for our Constitution, should not be partisan issues. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
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2.1.13  arkpdx  replied to  katrix @2.1.12    6 years ago
the right is pandering to a narcissist who lies and cheats

I am on the right and I am not pandering to hillary clinton nor did any of my conservative friends .

Clinton was/is so narcissistic she thought she was going to win the election just because of who she is .She didnt have have to campaign properly, she felt she was entitled to it.

Clinton's lying is well known and documented. 

" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener"> Here is a sampling

As fir cheating, ask Bernie Sanders about that. 

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.14  Vic Eldred  replied to  katrix @2.1.12    6 years ago
Morals and ethics, and support for our Constitution, should not be partisan issues.

Good point. If I was a visitor from another country I would be puzzled by the fact that the straight forwardly written Constitution could be so differently interpreted by two sets of judges. A phenomenon that has arisen since the time of the Warren Court or maybe I should say, since the rise of liberal ideology in the judicial system.

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.15  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.14    6 years ago
I should say, since the rise of liberal ideology in the judicial system.

thank god today's version of the left did not get to make an appointment to the supreme court.  that combined with all of the right precedent set at the supreme court under obama will serve this country well into the future.

at this point all they are doing is putting cases before the supreme court that in the end will only set more rightwing precedent.  

the more they act like little anti american bitches the longer it will be until they have any real power again.

 they are actually doing us a favor.. whats the old saying... "when your enemy is committing suicide do not stop them. just enjoy the show/

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.16  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.7    6 years ago
If you don't like it, then do your civic duty to change it to your own liking instead of just bitching about it.

LOL

im guessing you do not know the first supreme court case about obamacare killed the mandate under the commerce clause.   that is why it became a "tax"

 

as for that tax? I already did my civic duty and trashed that as well by voting for trump who signed a "tax bill" into law which repealed that BS obamacare "tax and I had fun doing it. I'm sure trump had fun doing it as well... just another promise kept.

 

 Cheers :)

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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2.1.17  Raven Wing  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.16    6 years ago

Not everyone here is as stupid or illiterate as you prefer to think, and you are obviously not the smartest apple on the tree yourself. If you want to have an adult discussion then drop the snark and the "I am superior to you' attitude, or don't bother to comment to me. If detracting to putting the blame on Obama or Obamacare at every turn is all Conservatives have going for them as an excuse, then they aren't worth wasting my time to comment to. I don't play childish snark games. If you don't want to have an adult conversation, then don't bother to comment to me. It's as simple as that. 

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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2.1.18  The Magic 8 Ball  replied to  Raven Wing @2.1.17    6 years ago

you were wrong. get over it and have a nice day

Cheers :)

 
 
 
Vic Eldred
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2.1.19  Vic Eldred  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.15    6 years ago
thank god today's version of the left did not get to make an appointment to the supreme court.

Yup, that for sure!

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.20  katrix  replied to  arkpdx @2.1.13    6 years ago

And Trump's morals and ethics are even worse than hers .. yet you blindly support him because he has an R after his name, even though he was a democrat for years.  I have a huge problem with Clinton's ethics , honesty and transparency, as you clearly do.  So what do you do?  You make up excuses for Trump, who's far worse than Hillary when it comes to lying and ethics, rather than actually giving a shit about ethics and transparency.  Your partisanship blinds you to reality.Tru

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.21  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Vic Eldred @2.1.19    6 years ago

Amen to that.  

 
 
 
katrix
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2.1.22  katrix  replied to  The Magic 8 Ball @2.1.15    6 years ago
the more they act like little anti american bitches the longer it will be until they have any real power again.

So, you think that supporting equal rights and our Constitution makes someone anti-American. Those are the very things that MAKE us Americans, which set us apart from other countries.

Supporting Trump's ego and being loyal to him is what matters to him - wanting our country to come first, rather than Trump's ego and pocketbook, makes me an anti American bitch?  I've hated Trump for decades - now that he's our President, I'm supposed to pretend he isn't a piece of shit?  Did you suddenly love Obama when he was elected?  Were you an anti-American because you didn't like who  was in office then?  If Trump had won as a Democrat (he has no principles - he'll sign anything just to have his picture taken with a pen in hand, and he has no true political or religious affiliation)  would you be so forgiving, or are you just forgiving anyone with an R while hating anyone with a D?  Way to make America great. 

Even the former Republican presidents know Trump is a wanna-be dictator, as he tries to dismantle our system of government simply so his ego won't be bruised.  As bad as Hillary would have been, I simply can't understand how anyone can support Trump at this point.  I won't support Pence because he's a religious fanatic - I wish Kasich would be our next choice, but he has scruples and couldn't support Trump - but hell, at least Pence wouldn't make us look like the laughingstock of the world, he has a basic sense of diplomacy and dignity, and I'm not sure he'd do any worse on a national scale than Trump. 

 
 
 
A. Macarthur
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2.1.24  A. Macarthur  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.10    6 years ago

That’s the real problem as the article explains, the left actually believes in their pernicious carnival of delusions that seek to enslave the mind of man.

Well, here's another explanation.

Simultaneous predator and parasite, the conservative feeds upon the lives it ultimately erodes and destroys via its boundless greed, and this, all the while, sanctimoniously praising God and electing The Devil to represent the banner under which it is ever the wolf in sheep’s clothing.

The conservative “mind” (an oxymoronic euphemism), is a toilet that flushes, not to cleanse itself, rather to share its foul excrement with those who will spread it around as fertilizer in which they will plant and germinate seeds of deceitfulness and hatred; that “mind,” a place where complicated thoughts go to die, or, to die of loneliness.

This vile, self-righteous partisan-ideologue and perennial hypocrite, will piss forever on the floors of the dwellings of the permanent underclass he helps create and maintain by design, then superciliously holds its turned up metaphorical nose while condescendingly complaining that the lives of desperation it creates, smell like urine.

This troubler-of-his-own-house hypocritically enables the wealth generated by violence and conflict then looks the other way from the devastation ... unless of course, he becomes his own victim ... when, upon which time, he sobs in false outrage … for justice.

This is this ultimate smear machine and reincarnate Joseph Goebbels that takes credit for good he has no hand in manufacturing and blames those harmed for being self-destructive. The conservative knows the price of everything … and the value of nothing.

When he takes charge of the henhouse, he is the Fox. Despite the hens’ vital role ... it is often be abused by the Master of the House who spreads his “seed” as a self-appointed benevolent despot will … and do so as if he was the layer of golden eggs.

Ah, yes, The (present) Master of the House … “Isn’t worth me spit, philanderer, philosopher and life-long-shit!”

The conservative is the self-appointed champion of lives not yet born, this, while being the profiteer-pillager of God’s earth … the planet upon which the unborn of today will have to live tomorrow … this holier-than-thou, “I’ve got mine and fuck everyone else” purveyor of all the “legal” misery that money can dump upon the “others,” his vilified scapegoats he offer to angry shills who rant endlessly about entitlements for the child now-born, the sick and the old.

And so today, I offer no large or colored fonts, no copy and pasted inconvenient truths that the style-police can attack instead of the content for which they mostly offer bumper-sticker "rebuttals" …

Ad hominem on my compassionate-conservatives.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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2.1.25  Skrekk  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.23    6 years ago
frankly I don’t see any reason to really object to any actions that he’s taken this point.

Seriously?    That says far more about you than it does about Trump.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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2.1.26  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @2.1.23    6 years ago

I agree with your points made.  Well said.  

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3  bbl-1    6 years ago

A full appearance of the phenomenon of 'Russian botism' is phenomenally visible here.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
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3.1  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  bbl-1 @3    6 years ago
A full appearance of the phenomenon of 'Russian botism' is phenomenally visible here.

It should be renamed "Russian Bot-ulism"...

Botulism: noun - food poisoning caused by a bacterium (botulinum) growing on improperly sterilized canned meats and other preserved foods.

Russian Bot-ulism: noun - media poisoning caused by a Russian facterium (bot-ulinus fsb) growing on improperly sterilized canned internet media and other content thought to be preserved news.

 
 
 
bbl-1
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3.1.1  bbl-1  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1    6 years ago

Except this has nothing to do with food.  Propaganda has many forms.  Some are subtle.  Others not so much.  This one is designed to reinforce a demonization of political counter opinion.

I must admit your ending paragraph is succinctly succinct.  Well done.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.1    6 years ago

Our progressives are so deluded as to believe that opposition to their dogma and goals all comes from Russia.  Simply ridiculous, ludicrous even.  

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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3.1.3  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    6 years ago
Simply ridiculous, ludicrous even.

No more so than your own mantra.

 
 
 
Randy
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3.1.4  Randy  replied to  bbl-1 @3.1.1    6 years ago
I must admit your ending paragraph is succinctly succinct.

I agree. It would seem that Russian Bot-ulism has turned Trump himself, his administration, the GOP led Congress and the vast majority of his followers, fertilized by FOX (among other sources such info-wars, etc.) into nothing more then Russian Bots just spreading the desired chaos of Putin.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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katrix
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3.1.6  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @3.1.2    6 years ago

C4P, do you really believe now that your hero's "hoax" cries are true? 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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3.1.7  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @3.1.6    6 years ago

The Russians have always attempted to meddle in our elections.  Their actual influence was next to none and no Americans colluded with them.  How many liberals went to the Russians anti Trump Not our President protest?  

 
 
 
luther28
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4  luther28    6 years ago

Donald Trump brought the void to the entire liberal establishment.

In truth he has brought a void to our entire Nation, void of decency, intelligence, morality (I'll stop here and let others pick up the candence). Of our 350 million plus citizens, Mr. Trump is interested in only one, himself. That he has convinced so many otherwise is worthy of P.T. Barnum.

Trump adheres to no particular political ideology, only the one that serves him at any given moment.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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4.1  Raven Wing  replied to  luther28 @4    6 years ago

Agree 1000%

 
 
 
katrix
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4.2  katrix  replied to  luther28 @4    6 years ago

There's a reason why he was a Democrat .. and now he's a Republican.  He's a despicable person, morally and ethically bereft ... nothing partisan about that.  Whatever party will pander to him is where he needs to be.  The Dems, with all their flaws, would never have sucked up to his ego the way the Reps have done.  They understand our system of checks and balances, even as they get taken to account by them. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5  seeder  XXJefferson51    6 years ago

“The liberal mind is a dark place -- an irrational, predatory, enslaving, and uncivilizing influence. It has become its own refuge, its own closed system of thought and behavior, its own electric carnival of delusions. It can switch reality on and off with the swipe of a finger. It can turn wishful clay on a magic potter's wheel until it has made new creeds out of its own lies and new religions out of government. Its proselytes have placed their left hands upon Marx and sworn an oath of fealty to a pernicious ideology of power. Not only have its priests and ministers raised society above the individual in their egalitarian rituals, but they have also elevated the state above society. They eulogize "diversity" and "inclusion" in their propaganda, but when the diverse and the included have entered the great House of Liberal Thought, the wide doors close behind them, and they are not permitted to leave.”

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5    6 years ago
“The liberal mind is a dark place -- an irrational, predatory, enslaving, and uncivilizing influence.

Wow! Your hate is truly evident. You tout that you are a true Christian, and yet you spew this kind of regurgitation of vile hate. So much for your 'Christian' morals. Your deep seated hatred is more than palpable. 

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.2  Randy  replied to    6 years ago

The above comment shows the exact so-called "Liberal problem in America" The right wing han't the slightest idea of who liberals really are or what liberals really think beyond what FOX and Alex Jones tells them.

And BTW, there really is no such creature as a bat that lives on the Moon. The Apollo Astronauts would have noticed.

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.1.3  arkpdx  replied to  Randy @5.1.2    6 years ago
" The right wing han't the slightest idea of who liberals really are or what liberals really think"

For the most part that is because in general liberals don't think .The get to the "ohwouldn't it be nice if we ... " feel good stage and stop right there and never think anbout consequences

beyond what FOX and Alex Jones tells them.

Sorry don't listen or watch FOX and dont know who Alex Jones is you are just projecting how l you need to get your info from the leftie elite.  

Another three and out for you. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1.4  Raven Wing  replied to    6 years ago
Why is it hate when he speaks the truth

Truth? Where is your proof? You have nothing but your own blind opinion. It is not a fact, it is not truth. Merely vicious mockery of the other side, when the Republican side is certainly not without equal guilt of their own. Nothing more. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1.5  Raven Wing  replied to  arkpdx @5.1.3    6 years ago
For the most part that is because in general liberals don't think

Proof please? You are making a statement of fact yet you provide no proof to back it up. Or....is this just another of your one sided opinions presented as fact? If indeed it is a fact, then please provide proof to substantiate your statement of fact. 

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.6  Randy  replied to  arkpdx @5.1.3    6 years ago
For the most part that is because in general liberals don't think .

I am a liberal. Nearly a Socialist as a matter of fact. Yet it's obvious that I can think, because if I were unable to I would be unable to function at a level necessary to use a computer, which I have been doing since 1973. I would not be able to type or to put together sentences or to even spell (which I admit I sometimes get wrong). In fact I would not be able function on my own at all. So I wonder what to you consider to be the inability to think, since your statement does not make sense?

 
 
 
Randy
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5.1.7  Randy  replied to  arkpdx @5.1.3    6 years ago
you are just projecting how l you need to get your info from the leftie elite.

After reading that several times and trying to understand it I can only assume that you are saying that I am only projecting how you get your information and that I need to get my information from the "leftie elite"? I get my information from mostly mainstream media, which is actual news, such as The New York Times, The Washington Post, NBC, ABC and The BBC. Contrary to what you may have been told they really are very credible news sources and if you have been told otherwise then you have been lied to and you really should go to whoever it was who told you that they were not and ask them why they lied to you so brazenly.

 
 
 
Tessylo
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5.1.9  Tessylo  replied to    6 years ago

crazy

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.10  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1    6 years ago

I take it that you disagree with that particular quote from the seeded article?  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.11  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.5    6 years ago

Why do you always accuse conservatives who write an opinion of stating it as if it were fact when you clearly know they are quoting or writing an opinion?  Why do you not hold liberal posters to the same standard when they quote some opinion or write/share their own?  You claim to be non political in your outlook and that could well be true and I’m not contesting that, but you are very clear in your overt hostility toward a certain point of view and members expressing that particular point of view.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.1.12  arkpdx  replied to  Randy @5.1.6    6 years ago
I am a liberal

I am sirry .You have my condolences

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
5.1.13  MrFrost  replied to  arkpdx @5.1.12    6 years ago
I am sirry .You have my condolences

I would much rather be a liberal than an anti-American conservative. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.14  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @5.1.13    6 years ago

Neither conservatives or liberals are anti American. We just have differing ideas as to what’s best for our country.  

 
 
 
arkpdx
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5.1.15  arkpdx  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.14    6 years ago

Well I am neither. I woult call anyone an anti-american liberal .That would be redundant .

 
 
 
Raven Wing
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5.1.16  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.11    6 years ago
Why do you always accuse conservatives who write an opinion of stating it as if it were fact when you clearly know they are quoting or writing an opinion?

Simply because you and others don't present it merely as 'opinions', you present them in such a manner that it is clear that you intend them to be taken as fact. There is a big difference in how things are worded to provide a clear understanding of what is being said. 

You and others post a comment that is clearly meant as fact, then when challenged to put the proof where your words are, you come up with all sorts of excuses and try to divert by trying to put the monkey on someone else's back.

If you don't want people to take them as 'opinions' and not as fact, then learn how to present your side in a manner that makes it clear that you are presenting your 'opinions' and not fact. Otherwise, be prepared to back them up with proof.

And as far as my 'hostility', I can't begin in my wildest dreams begin to hold a candle to your own hate you express here endlessly toward anyone who does not totally agree with your own political party. So you have no room to accuse anyone else.

 
 
 
katrix
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5.1.17  katrix  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.16    6 years ago

So true.  These "Christian" and "moral" people support the pussy grabber, the cheater, the liar, the fraud, we have as our current President.  And they claim to have the moral high ground over those of us who don't share their faith - while making excuses for everything he does.

I'll take my morals over that bullshit any day of the week.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.18  Raven Wing  replied to  katrix @5.1.17    6 years ago

"I'll take my morals over that bullshit any day of the week."

Same here. My morals are not up for grabs by any religious or political organization, or anyone else. 

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.21  Raven Wing  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.20    6 years ago

In what way is it totally phony? If you are going to comment to me, then make sure that you make what you say clear and concise, or don't comment. I don't do snark. OK?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.22  Raven Wing  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.19    6 years ago
So you provide us yet another example of left writhing and convulsing

Nope, not at all. I am not a 'left wing' anything. Unlike you, I didn't sell myself to any political party. Drop the 'tude and the political snark and BS if you are going to comment to me, or don't comment to me at all. Got it?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.24  Raven Wing  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.23    6 years ago

And you are so demonstratively an arrogant know nothing who likes to judge people when they have no idea what they are talking about. You talk just to see your own snark in public view. You enjoy making invalid accusations about people you know nothing about just to try to look important. 

Go play in the sandbox with the rest of your toddler friends. I have no interest at all in playing your childish games.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.25  Raven Wing  replied to  Have Opinion Will Travel @5.1.23    6 years ago

And as I said before, I don't do political snark or political BS. If that is all you have to offer, then don't comment to me anymore. Last warning. Or do I need to make it official? 

 
 
 
katrix
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5.1.26  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.11    6 years ago

If you're stating an opinion, you need to back it up with facts. Otherwise, you're just blathering.  You can't have an opinion and put it out there unless you are able to defend it logically and factually.

Put up or shut up.

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.27  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.25    6 years ago

If you do that to him, I’ll Have to consider doing likewise regarding  your snarky comments on my seeds and posts .  Perhaps I should seek a ban on your stalking comments to me?

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.28  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.27    6 years ago

Please do. I am not stalking you simply because I call you out on your presenting opinion as fact with nothing to back it up.

But do protest.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
Professor Guide
5.1.29  Raven Wing  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5.1.27    6 years ago

Also, it is my right as a Member of this forum to determine who I do and do not wish to have comment to me. I do not need your sole permission to do so.  And you have no right to dictate to me who I can and can not to comment to me, even if it is your seed. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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5.1.30  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @5.1.26    6 years ago

No.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
5.1.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  Raven Wing @5.1.29    6 years ago

And I have the same right regarding you that you do regarding that other member.  That’s all I’m saying.  I’m not saying 100% I’ll seek a restraining order against you replying to any of my seeds or comments.  Heck, the sight of your name on one of mine is likely to be a magnet to draw other conservatives to see your latest rant.

 
 
 
luther28
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5.2  luther28  replied to  XXJefferson51 @5    6 years ago

I don't know about the liberal mind, but one might describe this little diatribe as a bit dark.

 
 
 
Skrekk
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6  Skrekk    6 years ago
In Philip K. Dick's sci-fi classic, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep

That's a rather ironic reference given that the story is ultimately about empathy and that's one of the big things which separates liberals from conservatives....the inability of conservatives to empathize with people who aren't exactly like them.

 
 
 
katrix
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6.1  katrix  replied to  Skrekk @6    6 years ago

I loved that book. Although it was fairly depressing.

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7  MrFrost    6 years ago

Yet another in a long list of rightist BS articles. Pathetic that these anti-American morons even exist. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @7    6 years ago

You think that those who write from a conservative point of view are anti American and shouldn’t even exist?  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.1  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

How is that ANY different than the articles you posting that claim that liberals are anti-America? Two way street, deal with it. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.2  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.1    6 years ago

I said progressives particularly secular progressives are anti American not ordinary liberals.  And I never questioned whether they should be permitted to exist.  That’s beyond any place I will ever tread.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.3  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.2    6 years ago

If you hate progressives so much, why are you using the internet? You did know it's because of progressives that the internet even exists right? If it weren't for progressives, the rightists would still be using chisels and stone tablets to communicate. 

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.4  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.2    6 years ago
particularly secular progressives

So, people who don't worship the same god as you do, or who view it differently than you do - or who know that morality and common decency should come above religious and partisan viewpoints - are evil in your mind. 

I think that those who don't put our Constitution and equal rights above their religious and political viewpoints are morally bankrupt.  You called out a whole group of people, so it must be OK for me to do the same, right?

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.5  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

I think that people who hate America and our Constitution, who disdain equal rights and facts, who boast about hating everyone who has morals and therefore dislikes our current pussy grabber in chief, should stop reading the OT and maybe find some humanity. 

Your anger and venom spew out onto everything you post here.  If this gets me banned, that's fine.  You think we hate the flyover country - we don't.  My parents were raised there.  What I do hate is bigotry and ignorance, and religious fanaticism.  We are all one country, and you seek only to divide us.

 
 
 
charger 383
Professor Silent
7.1.6  charger 383  replied to  katrix @7.1.4    6 years ago

Good to see you here.   where have you been?

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
7.1.8  katrix  replied to  charger 383 @7.1.6    6 years ago

Working, taking care of Mom, playing, learning, reading ... I ran out of books so I had to come in here this week :)

I've missed y'all. 

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
7.1.9  katrix  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.7    6 years ago

Hey there!  After my comment, I might get slapped .. which is one reason I stayed away.  I can't stand seeing people boast about that crap, who want to tell me I'm going to hell for not being religious, while supporting total immorality. 

Good to see you too!  

Pickles OK .. no mayo, though.   

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.11  katrix  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.10    6 years ago

That's what I'm afraid of.  I've read some awesome books and done some house projects since NV shut down.  I never had an issue with personal friends and family time, those always come first - but when it comes to my time alone .. this shit sucks me in.  And all y'all.  It's all your fault :)

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.12  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @7.1.11    6 years ago

Donald Trump is learning quickly on the job and is maturing into a good President.  He’s changed for the better since he began his run for the presidency.  His exposure to evangelical Christianity has made him a better person.  

 
 
 
Explorerdog
Freshman Silent
7.1.13  Explorerdog  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.12    6 years ago

More hypocritical as he is learning from the masters of deception. Truly amazing that someone totally lacking in any concept of ethics, honesty, character pretends to be religious and all the willfully gullible drink his kool aid, you do not generate empathy for you complicit behavior but rather disdain. The only thing he could do that might sway your worship of him is if he openly declared war on Christianity, nothing short would suffice.

 
 
 
devangelical
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7.1.14  devangelical  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.12    6 years ago

Trump turned into a teavangelical when he raped that 13 year old girl.

 
 
 
It Is ME
Masters Guide
7.1.15  It Is ME  replied to  devangelical @7.1.14    6 years ago
Trump turned into a teavangelical when he raped that 13 year old girl.

Reeeeaaaaally ? close call

 
 
 
MrFrost
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7.1.16  MrFrost  replied to  katrix @7.1.11    6 years ago
And all y'all.  It's all your fault

You're welcome! Good to see ya! 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.17  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.12    6 years ago
and is maturing into a good President.

He's 71 years old and he has the maturity of a 12 year old. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
7.1.19  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.17    6 years ago
he has the maturity of a 12 year old. 

That is higher than the average left winger. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.20  MrFrost  replied to  arkpdx @7.1.19    6 years ago

Which is higher than the average right winger. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.21  MrFrost  replied to  Release The Kraken @7.1.18    6 years ago

Me too, but PH said bouncing clothed boobs is too much. 

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
7.1.22  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.20    6 years ago

Oh that was original

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.23  MrFrost  replied to  arkpdx @7.1.22    6 years ago
Oh that was original

Thanks! That's the problem with making empty blanket insults, they mean nothing an open you up to the same thing. Try and remember that. 

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
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7.1.24  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.23    6 years ago

Please all stay on topic and refrain from insults.  

 
 
 
katrix
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7.1.25  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1    6 years ago

When people brag about their bigotry and ignorance, I don't think they shouldn't exist .. but I wouldn't mind if they all went to some state of Jefferson and stopped bothering those of us with ethics and morals.

 
 
 
katrix
Sophomore Participates
7.1.26  katrix  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.24    6 years ago

So, you call out the person who insulted right wingers, while not calling out the person who insulted left wingers.

This is what's wrong with our country.  Hypocrites.l

 
 
 
MrFrost
Professor Expert
7.1.27  MrFrost  replied to  XXJefferson51 @7.1.24    6 years ago
Please all stay on topic and refrain from insults.

Dude, the title of your effing article is an insult. Now you are going to complain about comments? Are you fucking kidding me? 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
PhD Quiet
7.1.28  igknorantzrulz  replied to  katrix @7.1.26    6 years ago
what's wrong with our country

there's something wrong...?

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.30  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  katrix @7.1.26    6 years ago

Actually I called out everyone.  Read before condemning sometime.  The one my post was after was trying to justify insults.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.31  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.27    6 years ago

The title of the article is original from the source.  Posted comments are directly from members and yes I’m holding you to following the coc in commenting about any given seed by any given member.  

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
7.1.32  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  MrFrost @7.1.16    6 years ago

And Cornhusker4Palin is pleased as punch to see the both of you here! 👏👍🇺🇸Welcome to NewsTalkers!  ❤️🎉🎊

 
 
 
The Magic 8 Ball
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8  The Magic 8 Ball    6 years ago

welcome to earth

you have chosen the USA package and are in for a treat.

half the country would have been OK if you were aborted before you got here.

that same half of the country will take every opportunity to limit your ability to defend yourself once you are here.

and if someone kills you?  that last thing they will support is the death penalty for the one who did it.

pick your friends wisely and have a good time :)

 
 
 
arkpdx
Professor Quiet
9  arkpdx    6 years ago

Oh that was original

 
 
 
XXJefferson51
Senior Guide
9.1  seeder  XXJefferson51  replied to  arkpdx @9    6 years ago

Yes it was and well written too.  

 
 

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