Vanity Fair: Trump Knew Jeffrey Epstein Had Incriminating Photos of Bill Clinton

  
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Vanity Fair: Trump Knew Jeffrey Epstein Had Incriminating Photos of Bill Clinton

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Back in 2015, onstage at the annual CPAC conference, Trump said something very interesting about Bill Clinton. "Nice guy," he said. "Got a lot of problems coming up, in my opinion, with the famous island with Jeffrey Epstein. Lot of problems."

Trump knew what he was talking about. Vanity Fair reports that, shortly before CPAC, Trump was approached by David Pecker, who then owned the National Enquirer. Pecker visited Trump and brought along "an issue with a Prince Andrew and Epstein-related cover." They were joined by Trump lawyer Michael Cohen.

After the meeting, Trump called in Sam Nunberg, who then worked for him. Nunberg told Vanity Fair:

“Michael was sitting in there when I came in, and the issue of theNational Enquirer with the pictures of Prince Andrew was on his desk. He said not to tell anyone, but that Pecker had just been there and had brought the issue with him. Trump said that Pecker had told him that the pictures of Clinton that Epstein had from his island were worse."

What makes Vanity Fair's report double fascinating is that the leftist magazine clearly implies that Epstein doesn't have any dirt on Trump himself. On Twitter, leftist users have been tweeting hopefully about how this could ruin Trump's presidency. Vanity Fair knows better. When push comes to shove, this case will involve high-ranking and extremely influential Democrats.

Trump isn’t known to have gone on any trips with Epstein, which would have been out of character. “I don’t think Trump would go to someone else’s property or someone else’s island or villa,” Nunberg said. “He doesn’t even play golf at anyone else’s clubs.”
Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, President Trump dismissed his past appearances with Epstein, describing him as a “fixture in Palm Beach” in those years. “I had a falling out with him a long time ago,” he added, though he declined to elaborate. “I don’t think I’ve spoken to him for 15 years.”

As I wrote last Sunday, this case will almost certainly end up destroying several careers and private lives -- and rightfully so. Those involved with Epstein don't deserve any better. They're the lowest of the low.

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†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    one week ago

512

 
 
 
Tessylo
2  Tessylo    one week ago

If this was true - someone other than Pajama Media would have reported it.  

Let's see the photos then.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Tessylo @2    one week ago
If this was true - someone other than Pajama Media would have reported it.  

Wouldn't "Vanity Fair" count ?

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
2.1.1  Sean Treacy  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    one week ago

now they think Vanity Fair  is right wing?

too funny

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.2  It Is ME  replied to  Sean Treacy @2.1.1    one week ago
now they think Vanity Fair  is right wing?

Wouldn't doubt it. jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif

Their "Road Maps" are a mess. They get one no-where.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.3  Tessylo  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    6 days ago
Per bbl-1
'Vanity Fair's article is based on allegations from Pecker.  Vanity Fair did not see 'the photos.'  Neither has anyone else.  Perhaps Pecker should testify under oath concerning this, either in public or a Grand Jury.  Accusations of this magnitude must be fully vetted, investigated and prosecuted if merited.'

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.4  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    6 days ago

2.1.3 

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.1.5  Don Overton  replied to  It Is ME @2.1    6 days ago

2.1.3 

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.6  It Is ME  replied to  Don Overton @2.1.5    6 days ago

I empathies with Stutterers ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

Vanity Fair is Still a Second Source.....or should it be combined with PJ's as one ? jrSmiley_97_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
KDMichigan
2.2  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @2    one week ago
Let's see the photos then.

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WallyW
2.2.1  WallyW  replied to  KDMichigan @2.2    one week ago

Democrats seem to blunder their way from one scandal to another with astonishing regularity.jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

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Dulay
2.2.2  Dulay  replied to  WallyW @2.2.1    one week ago
Democrats seem to blunder their way from one scandal to another with astonishing regularity.

While the leader of the GOP, Trump, remains in a perpetual scandal on a daily basis. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.2.3  Tessylo  replied to  Dulay @2.2.2    6 days ago

The gop now stands for greedy old perverts.  

 
 
 
Don Overton
2.2.4  Don Overton  replied to  WallyW @2.2.1    6 days ago

2.1.3 

 
 
 
Tessylo
3  Tessylo    one week ago

FAKE NEWS!

 
 
 
Sparty On
4  Sparty On    one week ago

He must be a Buffett fan.

"15 may get you 20, but that's alright.   Cuz they'll be rockin and a rollin on Livingston Saturday night"

- Jimmy Buffett, Livingston Saturday Night

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5  JohnRussell    one week ago

It is my job to apply common sense to articles such as this one. 

First of all, there is no evidence that such photos of Clinton with the Epstein girls exists. The "allegation" is that Epstein told Pecker , who then told Trump, that such photos existed. Passing such a story through the mouths  of three known scumbags doesnt necessarily inspire a lot of confidence. 

Second, unlike others such as Prince Andrew and Alan Dershowitz and Epstein himself, there are no allegations from the girls Epstein used that any of them had sex with Bill Clinton.  Don't you think that if it was true one or more of them would have said something by now? 

Third , if Trump knew of evidence that Clinton had sex with underage girls in 2015, he would have used it in the 2016 election campaign. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

Stop using logic and reasoning ,

it might ruin some good juicy conspiracy theories, as if there weren't enough about the Clintons'

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.2  Tessylo  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

We all know how reliable those grapevines are:

 
 
 
Snuffy
5.3  Snuffy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

While I chuckle at  your first sentence, have to agree with the rest of it for the most part. WE have no evidence any such photo's exist of anybody with the Epstein girls. Just like the 2 years of the Meuller investigation, I am willing to wait for proof to come out into the public domain.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.3.1  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @5.3    one week ago

Why do you keep comparing this to the Mueller investigation?  

 
 
 
Snuffy
5.3.2  Snuffy  replied to  Tessylo @5.3.1    one week ago

Please read what I wrote.   I'm not comparing this to the Mueller investigation,  but just like the 2 years where that investigation was running I am willing to wait for proof of this to come out. At this point we have very little proof of anything and as normal main-stream media as well as the rumor mill is running hard on a story with little detail and a lot of conjecture.

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.3.3  Tessylo  replied to  Snuffy @5.3.2    one week ago

Of course you are.  I've seen you do that on multiple occasions 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.4  Sean Treacy  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

Don't you think that if it was true one or more of them would have said something by noW?

right, that’s the argument you made to discredit Ford since  she didn’t  tell anyone for almost 30 years about kavanaughs alleged assault..

Because you are consistent on this.....

Oh, and if pecker confirms that Epstein told him that Epstein had pictures of Clinton molesting  girls, that is admissible evidence in court.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.4.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4    one week ago
Oh, and if pecker confirms that Epstein told him that Epstein had pictures of Clinton moslestimf girls, that is admissible evidence in court.

Pecker is a liar and a criminal who acknowledged killing stories that were harmful to Trump. I dont think it would be particularly hard to invalidate him as witness. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.4.2  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4    one week ago
Oh, and if pecker confirms that Epstein told him that Epstein had pictures of Clinton molesting  girls, that is admissible evidence in court.

Actually, NO, no it isn't.

There's this thing called 'hearsay'.

There would be NO reason to allow Pecker's hearsay testimony about what Epstein said because Epstein is now quite 'available' to testify in his own words. I'm pretty sure that right now, the LAST thing that Epstein's lawyers want to think about is putting Epstein on the stand under ANY circumstances. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.4.3  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @5.4.2    one week ago
here's this thing called 'hearsay'

There's this thing called a statement against interest.  Look it up. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.4.4  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.3    one week ago
There's this thing called a statement against interest. Look it up.

There is this thing called witness immunity. Look it up. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.4.5  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @5.4.4    one week ago

Why would Pecker get witness immunity?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.4.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.5    one week ago

You said pecker.  (Giggles while channeling Jake from 2 1/2 Men)

 
 
 
Dulay
5.4.7  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.5    one week ago
Why would Pecker get witness immunity?

I was talking about Epstein. 

How would Pecker be making a statement against interest, are you positing that he was there too? 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.4.8  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @5.4.7    one week ago

Pecker would be the one testifying.  The statement against interest was made by Epstein.  

 
 
 
Dulay
5.4.9  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.8    one week ago
Pecker would be the one testifying.  

I've already explained that hearsay isn't allowed. 

The statement against interest was made by Epstein.

Nope Epstein allegedly made a statement against Clinton. Do try to keep up. 

 
 
 
Sean Treacy
5.4.10  Sean Treacy  replied to  Dulay @5.4.9    one week ago

I've already explained that hearsay isn't allowed. 

I've already explained the exception to that rule. Look Again!

 Epstein allegedly made a statement against Clinton. Do try to keep up

Oh, you think it's okay to keep pictures of underage women being sexually assaulted.   That explains it. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.4.11  Dulay  replied to  Sean Treacy @5.4.10    one week ago
I've already explained the exception to that rule. Look Again!

HOW would that statement by Pecker be a statement against his interest UNLESS Pecker was a co-conspirator or a participant? Please be specific. 

Oh wait, maybe it's your posit that it's against his interest because Pecker can't publish the pictures himself and profit from it? 

Oh, you think it's okay to keep pictures of underage women being sexually assaulted.   That explains it. 

STRAW MAN FALLACY! 

Total and utter fail.

Once again you've proven to be an utterly incapable of addressing my actual comments and instead need to attack my character.

Well done Sean.

Oh and BTFW, the appropriate word for 'underaged women' is girls/children. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.5  Dulay  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

Thanks for pointing out the utter lack of credibility of the seed.

Of course, credibility isn't a standard that matters, as proven by the ongoing seeds that are baseless and are seemingly being posted merely as provocation for snarks sake...

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.5.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @5.5    one week ago
Thanks for pointing out the utter lack of credibility of the seed.

And yet here you are giving the seed traffic.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.5.2  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @5.5.1    one week ago
And yet here you are giving the seed traffic.

Oh is that the new standard now KD? Is it your posit that seeds that lack credibility should be left unchallenged? 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.5.3  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @5.5.2    one week ago
lack credibility should be left unchallenged? 

What did you challenge.

Come on Dulay you must have something from all that vast knowledge you gained spending a couple hours in grandpa's vegetable garden?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.5.4  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @5.5.3    one week ago
What did you challenge.

Is that a question? 

Perhaps you can point out where I said I challenged anything? 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.5.5  KDMichigan  replied to  Dulay @5.5.4    6 days ago

256

 
 
 
Dulay
5.5.6  Dulay  replied to  KDMichigan @5.5.5    6 days ago

Non-responsive deflection. 

Please proceed. 

 
 
 
KDMichigan
5.6  KDMichigan  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago
Don't you think that if it was true one or more of them would have said something by now? 

We all know how the hillbilly mafia Clintons take care of loose ends. I'm sure they never made it off Pervy island after slick Willy had his way with them during his two dozen plus trips.

256

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.6.1  JohnRussell  replied to  KDMichigan @5.6    one week ago
We all know  

We all know = wackadoodle conspiracy buffs

 
 
 
Tessylo
5.6.2  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @5.6    one week ago

Like the Seth Rich murder perpetrated by the Clintons?

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dennis smith
5.7  dennis smith  replied to  JohnRussell @5    one week ago

It is my job to apply common sense to articles such as this one. 

Who appointed the job to you?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.7.1  igknorantzrulz  replied to  dennis smith @5.7    one week ago

It's EVERYONES JOB

,

u should try it sometime ,

but 

I doubt it will happen, cause 

some causes, are worth

 less, than others

 
 
 
Don Overton
5.7.2  Don Overton  replied to  dennis smith @5.7    6 days ago

[TROLLING

 
 
 
dennis smith
5.7.3  dennis smith  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.7.1    6 days ago

John Russell disagrees with you and says it is HIS job. He makes no mention of it being anyone else's.

 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
6  1stwarrior    one week ago

Cough, cough, cough - "It is YOUR job"????

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
6.1  seeder  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  1stwarrior @6    one week ago

Stranger things have never been said......

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Ender
7  Ender    one week ago

We all know Bill is a hound dog. If he is guilty, bring on charges. The only thing I don't get is the SS would be following him. They would know what has happened over the years.

I was of the thought that Epstein would start throwing out names, now I am not so sure with his bevy of high priced lawyers.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8  Buzz of the Orient    one week ago

But we already know about Bill Clinton and young women.  Look at the photo of him at the top of the page -  Oh, wait a sec, that's his daughter.

 
 
 
bbl-1
8.1  bbl-1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    one week ago

Cheap shot Buzz.  FSB boy?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bbl-1 @8.1    one week ago

That was obviously meant as a joke - guess you have trouble with them when it has to do with your heroes.  By the way, I'm lost when it comes to acronyms - maybe because I rarely text-message.  FSB?

 
 
 
bbl-1
8.1.2  bbl-1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.1.1    one week ago

Tired of jokes.  Crooked Hillary, Birtherism and everybody is a crook except me is wearying.

Heroes?  That too is an unnecessary shot.  Stop it.  If you have something, bring it.

 
 
 
bbl-1
8.2  bbl-1  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8    one week ago

Oh yeah.  About FSB boy.  In Vietnam we had a saying meant only for those that already knew.  "If you don't know you can't ask."

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
8.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  bbl-1 @8.2    one week ago

IDGAS

 
 
 
Don Overton
8.2.2  Don Overton  replied to  bbl-1 @8.2    6 days ago

[Deleted]

 
 
 
Don Overton
8.2.3  Don Overton  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @8.2.1    6 days ago
GFAD

 
 
 
bbl-1
9  bbl-1    one week ago

Vanity Fair's article is based on allegations from Pecker.  Vanity Fair did not see 'the photos.'  Neither has anyone else.  Perhaps Pecker should testify under oath concerning this, either in public or a Grand Jury.  Accusations of this magnitude must be fully vetted, investigated and prosecuted if merited. 

Epstein's island?  Trump knows about that?  Wonder what else Trump knows?

 
 
 
Tessylo
10  Tessylo    6 days ago

Rump knows a lot - he had kiddie raping parties in Epstein's mansion in NY city and nearby the white trash house Camp David Maralago.  

 
 
 
KDMichigan
10.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @10    6 days ago
Rump knows a lot

Prove it.

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Tessylo
10.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  KDMichigan @10.1    6 days ago

What About Trump?

Donald Trump — who has been credibly accused of sexual misconduct or assault by more than 20 women — offered some now notorious, and notably specific, praise for Epstein to New York in 2002:

Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Trump’s connection to Epstein will certainly be subject to further scrutiny in the coming weeks, as will any of the pictures of them together.

Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre claimed in court documents that she was recruited to give Epstein massages while she was working as a towel girl at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre, who was then 15, alleged that Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell had recruited her to be Epstein’s “sex slave.”

Another woman, identified in court records only as “Jane Doe,” alleged during Trump’s presidential campaign that he had raped her at a party at Epstein’s New York mansion in 1993, at the age of 13. A Trump lawyer denied her claim, and the woman later dropped the lawsuit because she was too afraid to go through with it, according to her lawyer, Lisa Bloom.

In her interview with MSNBC, Miami Herald reporter Julie Brown added:

They went to dinner parties at each other’s houses. Trump was also on his plane, probably not as much as a lot of other people because, you know, Trump had his own plane. But they had a lot of social relationships. And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas.

There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.

There have been unconfirmed claims that Trump has tried to distance himself from Epstein. According to court documents filed by a lawyer representing three of Epstein’s alleged victims, Trump banned his former friend from Mar-a-Lago because he “sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.” But the same lawyer later said in an interview that he was unable to confirm that claim, though he did emphasize that Trump was cooperative and helpful as he built his case against Epstein.

The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want. I’ll tell you what you need to know, and was very helpful, in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information. That checked out and that helped us and we didn’t have to take a deposition of him in 2009.

Despite the 2002 comment in New York, a lawyer for Trump denied that he and Epstein had a social relationship, according to the New York Times. Another denial came in 2015 when Gawker published Epstein’s contact list, which contained what appeared to be every conceivable number for reaching Trump and his wife. “Mr. Trump only knew Mr. Epstein as Mr. Trump owns the hottest and most luxurious club in Palm Beach, [redacted], and Mr. Epstein would go there on occasion,” the lawyer said.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    6 days ago

Lol ..... credibly accused?

Thats the sort of triggered comment that will get one disqualified from jury duty EVERY time.

Excellent critical thinking!

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.3  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.2    6 days ago
Lol ..... credibly accused?

To a few, "credible" just means that someone somewhere claimed something about someone. If it is about Trump, it becomes the gospel truth.

 
 
 
Dulay
10.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.3    6 days ago
To a few, "credible" just means that someone somewhere claimed something about someone. If it is about Trump, it becomes the gospel truth.

It seems that the seeder is one of those few. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @10.1.4    6 days ago
It seems that the seeder is one of those few.

Interesting take.

Weird, though.

 
 
 
Don Overton
10.1.6  Don Overton  replied to  Texan1211 @10.1.3    6 days ago

Oh wait, that's all you ever post and now you are saying they "are" lies

 
 
 
KDMichigan
10.1.7  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @10.1.1    6 days ago

Okay fail. What is all of that gibberish? 

Did President Trump go to pervy island 26 times with Epstein?  Then Clinton has the audacity to say he never perved with him. I can't wait for Epstein to start singing if he doesn't commit suicide 1st.

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.1.8  Texan1211  replied to  Don Overton @10.1.6    6 days ago
Oh wait, that's all you ever post and now you are saying they "are" lies

What are you going on about?

 
 
 
Texan1211
10.2  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @10    6 days ago
Rump knows a lot - he had kiddie raping parties in Epstein's mansion in NY city and nearby the white trash house Camp David Maralago.

Ah, Tessy, still printing unsupported and wildly outlandish claims, I see.

LMAO!

 
 
 
Tessylo
11  Tessylo    6 days ago

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Trump hosted an exclusive party with Jeffrey Epstein at his Mar-a-Lago estate, a new report claims. It was just the 2 of them and '28 girls'

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DAVID CHOI (DCHOI@BUSINESSINSIDER.COM)
Jul 10th 2019 4:29AM
  • President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, the 66-year-old hedge fund manager charged this week with sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, were the only other participants in a party that consisted of roughly two dozen women at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a New York Times report.
  • The women were reportedly flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that was requested by Trump, The Times said.
  • "I said, 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein,'" a former Trump associate recalled having asked.

President Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein, the 66-year-old hedge fund manager charged this week with sex trafficking and conspiracy to commit sex trafficking, were the only other attendees to a party that consisted of roughly two dozen women at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, according to a New York Times report.

In 1992, the women were reportedly flown in for a "calendar girl" competition that was requested by Trump, The Times said.

"At the very first party, I said, 'Who's coming tonight? I have 28 girls coming,'" former Trump associate George Houraney reportedly said. "It was him and Epstein."

"I said, 'Donald, this is supposed to be a party with VIPs. You're telling me it's you and Epstein," he recalled saying.

Houraney claimed to have warned Trump about Epstein's behavior and said the real estate tycoon did not heed his notice. Houraney, a businessman, reportedly said Trump "didn't care" about how he had to ban Epstein from his events.

"Look, Donald, I know Jeff really well, I can't have him going after younger girls," Houraney recalled of his conversation to The Times. "He said, 'Look I'm putting my name on this. I wouldn't put my name on it and have a scandal.'"

Houraney had a falling out with Trump after his girlfriend accused him of making unwanted sexual advances in the early 1990s

Trump previously said he knew Epstein for 15 years and suggested he was well-acquainted with the financier.

"He's a lot of fun to be with," Trump said to New York Magazine in 2002. "It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it — Jeffrey enjoys his social life."

Trump has since distanced himself from Epstein, who faces sex-trafficking charges from the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York, where he faces a maximum sentence of 45 years in prison. The charging document alleges Epstein "sexually exploited and abused dozens of minor girls at his homes in Manhattan, New York, and Palm Beach, Florida, among other locations."

On Monday, Epstein appeared in court and pleaded not guilty.

 
 
 
Tessylo
12  Tessylo    6 days ago
REY EPSTEIN JULY 8, 2019

Everything We Know About the Sex Crimes Case Against Jeffrey Epstein


Jeffrey Epstein Photo: Rick Friedman/Corbis via Getty Images

On Saturday, billionaire financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein was arrested for the alleged sex trafficking of dozens of minors in New York and Florida between 2002 and 2005. In a criminal indictment unsealed Monday, federal prosecutors claimed that Epstein lured underage girls, some as young as 14, to his luxurious homes in Manhattan and Palm Beach under the guise of paying them cash for massages. He then molested them and encouraged them to recruit other young girls to return with them. The victims who returned with new victims were paid a finder’s fee.

“In this way, Epstein created a vast network of underage victims for him to sexually exploit, often on a daily basis,” the U.S. Attorney’s office said in a statement.

The hedge-fund manager and former friend of presidents Trump and Clinton faced similar charges a decade ago but escaped federal prosecution via a widely criticized, shockingly lenient plea deal. After a decade of legal efforts by many of his victims — and, more recently, increased scrutiny from lawmakers and the media — Epstein faces prosecution by the notoriously tough Southern District of New York and a long prison sentence if convicted.

Here is everything we know about the new case against Epstein, the developments that preceded and followed his arrest, and what the charges could mean for him and his friends.

A New Investigation Brings New Charges

According to the Daily Beast and Miami Herald, the Southern District of New York’s public-corruption unit, with an assist from the office’s sex-trafficking unit, has been investigating Epstein for months and conducting interviews with his victims. Arrested Saturday, Epstein now faces one count of sex trafficking and one count of conspiracy to commit sex trafficking. The case is focused on victims he lured to his homes in both New York and Florida.

Epstein infamously avoided federal charges — and the potential lifetime sentence that could have come with them — a decade ago after he was accused of molesting dozens of underage girls at his mansion in Palm Beach, Florida. He was instead allowed to plead guilty to two counts of soliciting prostitution from a minor. Epstein was forced to register as a sex offender and sentenced to 18 months in prison, but he only served 13 months in all — and got to spend 12 hours a day at an office, six days a week, as part of his work-release privileges. In return, Epstein’s secret plea deal shielded him and four alleged accomplices from federal prosecution.

The new charges against Epstein carry a 45-year maximum sentence. Prosecutors are also seeking the forfeiture of his 21,000-square-foot townhouse on East 71st Street, where some of his alleged crimes took place. Geoffrey Berman, the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, said in a press conference Monday that investigators also found “nude photographs of what appeared to be underage girls” at the Upper East Side home. The indictment implicates several of Epstein’s employees, who are accused of helping the billionaire arrange the encounters and ensuring “that minor victims were available for encounters upon his arrival in Florida,” according to the indictment.

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The Details of Epstein’s Arrest and Arraignment

The 66-year-old former hedge-fund manager was arrested and taken into federal custody on Saturday afternoon at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey, where he had just returned in his private jet after a few weeks in Paris. Epstein was then transferred to Manhattan Correctional Center to await his arraignment in federal court in New York on Monday.

Federal agents also executed search warrants for Epstein’s Manhattan home early Saturday evening, breaking down the door of his Upper East Side townhouse, according to witnesses. Federal agents do not appear to have raided Epstein’s other three homes, however, and it’s not clear why.

More Victims and Witnesses Have Come Forward

Per the Miami Herald’s law-enforcement sources, the indictment against Epstein “includes new victims and witnesses who spoke to authorities in New York over the past several months.”

We’ll almost certainly never know how many girls Epstein molested or allowed to be molested by others. Police originally identified more than three dozen possible victims when they investigated in 2005 and 2006. The Herald has since identified nearly 80 girls molested by Epstein, most of whom were listed only as “Jane Doe” in court documents to protect their identities as minors. Most were girls between the ages of 13 and 16 when they were targeted by Epstein as far back as 2001. Many also came from low-income households and thus may have been more susceptible to the cash-for-massage ploy Epstein allegedly used to lure girls to his homes. Witnesses have also testified in subsequent civil-court proceedings that hundreds of additional victims were brought to Epstein from around the world.

The Lead-Up to a Long-Overdue Indictment

Epstein’s arrest came as a welcome surprise to many, but the momentum for new charges against him has been building since last year. In November, the Miami Herald published an explosive investigative report that revealed horrifying new details about Epstein’s crimes and their effects on his many victims. The report included on-the-record, firsthand accounts from four of those victims and exposed the secret plea deal Epstein’s lawyers negotiated with former prosecutor and current Department of Labor secretary Alexander Acosta.

The Miami Herald report prompted Nebraska senator Ben Sasse to prod the Justice Department to investigate the plea deal negotiated by Acosta. The deal, in which Epstein pleaded guilty to two state charges of soliciting prostitution from a minor, granted him and his potential accomplices immunity from federal charges. In February, the DOJ announced its inquiry into “allegations that Department attorneys may have committed professional misconduct in the manner in which the Epstein criminal matter was resolved.” Also in February, a U.S. district judge ruled that because prosecutors did not inform victims of the plea or provide the opportunity to testify about it, the deal violated the Crime Victims’ Rights Act.

But on June 25, the Department of Justice decided otherwise: Federal prosecutors announced they would not void Epstein’s non-prosecution deal. The next day, however, a federal appeals court in New York ordered the unsealing of almost 2,000 pages of records regarding a 2015 defamation case against Epstein.

How Do the New Charges Avoid Double Jeopardy?

If the reports of what Epstein will be charged with are accurate, there appear to be several ways that federal prosecutors are not running afoul of the U.S. Constitution by targeting Epstein with the same charges on the same facts for a second time. One law-enforcement source familiar with the case emphasized to the New York Post that the new indictment covers additional crimes not addressed in the earlier case, like Epstein bringing several victims across state lines between Florida and New York, as well as crimes he committed after the ones that led to his first arrest.

The Washington Post similarly reported on Sunday that

A person familiar with the matter said prosecutors do not have significant double jeopardy concerns or concerns about Epstein’s previous plea, meaning the charges probably involve new victims or new alleged wrongdoing.

How Does the Southern District of New York’s Reputation Factor Into the Case?

Writing for the Daily Beast, former SDNY prosecutor and current NBC legal analyst Mimi Rocah emphasized that her former office would offer no special treatment to Epstein nor offer him any cooperation agreements for implicating other powerful men unless he provided “some very valuable and verifiable information” in exchange:

Short of a cooperation agreement with the government—which in the SDNY famously means full cooperation against all possible other subjects and targets—Epstein will serve at least 10-15 years in prison (possibly more depending on the number of counts) if convicted. In addition, in my experience as a prosecutor involved in trafficking cases in the SDNY, that office is not in the practice of giving slap-on-the-wrist deals to sex offenders and will prosecute the case fairly but with appropriate zeal. The fact that the FBI also reportedly executed a search warrant at Epstein’s New York residence suggests either that they had probable cause to believe there was more recent conduct that occurred there and/or that evidence from his past crimes was likely to be found there this many years later. That search could yield important new evidence.

Why Is the SDNY’s Public Corruption Unit Handling the Case?

Gene Rossi, a trial analyst for Law&Crime, suggested that the PCU providesflexibility to add more charges, like money laundering, corruption, or tax-related crimes, noting that he would be surprised if the sex-trafficking charges were the only charges. “The sky’s the limit,” he added.

But Rocah insisted it was “too soon to say” why the PCU got the case:

It could mean that a public official is being investigated or will be charged with Epstein. That could be a minor public figure or a major one. It could mean that SDNY is investigating misconduct in the plea that Epstein was given in 2008. Or it could mean none of those things.  

Will There Finally Be a Cost for Acosta?

In 2008, federal prosecutors in Miami — led by former U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta — drafted a 53-page indictment against Epstein, including charges that could have put him in prison for life. But Acosta made a deal with Epstein’s legal team that resulted in 13 months in jail and a non-prosecution agreement for any possible federal charges. According to a copy of the non-prosecution agreement, the likelihood of a federal charge had been high: The FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s office determined that from 2001 to September 2007, Epstein had conspired to persuade minors to engage in prostitution, conspired to transport minors across state lines for the purpose of illicit sexual conduct, and recruited a minor across state lines to engage in a commercial sex act.

According to the Miami Herald, Acosta met privately with one of Epstein’s lawyers, Jay Lefkowitz — a former colleague in D.C. — and gave Epstein’s legal team a bizarre amount of control over the plea deal’s terms. (Other Epstein lawyers included Alan Dershowitz and Kenneth Starr.) “Thank you for the commitment you made to me,’’ Lefkowitz wrote to Acosta after their meeting, referring to Acosta’s promise that he would not contact “any of the identified individuals, potential witnesses or potential civil claimants.” The deal was kept secret until it was finalized.

As the Trump administration’s secretary of Labor, Acosta has already faced calls for his resignation. With Epstein’s arrest over the weekend, the calls are getting louder, including messages from former senator Mike Gravel, Representatives Debbie Wasserman Schultz and Ted Lieu, and Virginia Senator Tim Kaine.

Who Else Could Be Implicated?

Though Epstein has had a massive social network — as evidenced by the publication of his “little black book” by Gawker in 2015 — it’s unclear if, or how many of, his contacts will be in legal jeopardy after his indictment is unsealed on Monday. The Miami Herald has identified two possible enablers who “could be charged or named as cooperating witnesses”:

Among those potentially on the list: Ghislaine Maxwell, a 57-year-old British socialite and publishing heir who has been accused of working as Epstein’s madam; and Jean-Luc Brunel, who, according to court records, was partners with Epstein in an international modeling company.

For her part, Maxwell, whose social circle included such friends as Bill and Hillary Clinton and members of the British Royal family, has been described as using recruiters positioned throughout the world to lure women by promising them modeling assignments, educational opportunities and fashion careers. The pitch was really a ruse to groom them into sex trafficking, it is alleged in court records.

In an interview on MSNBC on Sunday, the Herald’s star reporter on the Epstein story, Julie K. Brown, expanded her thoughts on the possible consequences following the indictment:

Needless to say, these are very powerful people and I think that they’re sweating a little bit, especially today. We don’t know how much, how deep this went, how far-reaching it went in government, but there have been a lot of names that I could see on these message pads [listing clients] on a regular basis as part of the evidence — these message pads where they would call and leave Epstein messages, such as, “I’m at this hotel.” Why do you do that, unless you’re expecting him to send you a girl to visit you at your hotel?

So there are probably quite a few important people, powerful people, who are sweating it out right now. We’ll have to wait and see whether Epstein is going to name names.

For some people at the ends of the political spectrum on social media, Epstein’s arrest has played out like a partisan Rorschach test. Many right-wing personalities and members of the MAGA crowd have speculated that Epstein will name or otherwise expose and ruin Bill Clinton. The former president, who has himself been credibly accused of sexual misconduct and was friends with Epstein, has been previously scrutinized for the numerous trips he took on the financier’s private plane.

Accusations of sex crimes toward children have also been a central focus of some of the most bizarre (and contagious) conspiracy theories on the far right. And the fact that Robert Mueller led the FBI at the time of the original charges against Epstein has not gone unnoticed by those who still see the former special counsel as one of the president’s deep-state enemies. Speaking of which, there’s a Comey involved too:

Meanwhile, some #resistance diehards have suggested that Epstein’s arrest will lead to the surefire end, or at least the surefire justification for the end, of Trump’s presidency (thus succeeding where all of the previous scandals involving Trump have failed).

What About Trump?

Donald Trump — who has been credibly accused of sexual misconduct or assault by more than 20 women — offered some now notorious, and notably specific, praise for Epstein to New York in 2002:

Epstein likes to tell people that he’s a loner, a man who’s never touched alcohol or drugs, and one whose nightlife is far from energetic. And yet if you talk to Donald Trump, a different Epstein emerges. “I’ve known Jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,” Trump booms from a speakerphone. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. No doubt about it – Jeffrey enjoys his social life.”

Trump’s connection to Epstein will certainly be subject to further scrutiny in the coming weeks, as will any of the pictures of them together.

Epstein accuser Virginia Giuffre claimed in court documents that she was recruited to give Epstein massages while she was working as a towel girl at Mar-a-Lago. Giuffre, who was then 15, alleged that Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell had recruited her to be Epstein’s “sex slave.”

Another woman, identified in court records only as “Jane Doe,” alleged during Trump’s presidential campaign that he had raped her at a party at Epstein’s New York mansion in 1993, at the age of 13. A Trump lawyer denied her claim, and the woman later dropped the lawsuit because she was too afraid to go through with it, according to her lawyer, Lisa Bloom.

In her interview with MSNBC, Miami Herald reporter Julie Brown added:

They went to dinner parties at each other’s houses. Trump was also on his plane, probably not as much as a lot of other people because, you know, Trump had his own plane. But they had a lot of social relationships. And the other interesting thing is Trump had a modeling agency, and Epstein also had a stake in a modeling agency, which they suspect he used to bring in underage girls from overseas.

There is a comment in one of the court files where Epstein is quoted as saying, ‘I want to set up my modeling agency the same way Trump set up his modeling agency.’ I don’t know what that means, but it is curious he was trying to do something similar to Trump.

There have been unconfirmed claims that Trump has tried to distance himself from Epstein. According to court documents filed by a lawyer representing three of Epstein’s alleged victims, Trump banned his former friend from Mar-a-Lago because he “sexually assaulted an underage girl at the club.” But the same lawyer later said in an interview that he was unable to confirm that claim, though he did emphasize that Trump was cooperative and helpful as he built his case against Epstein.

The only thing that I can say about President Trump is that he is the only person who, in 2009 when I served a lot of subpoenas on a lot of people, or at least gave notice to some pretty connected people, that I want to talk to them, is the only person who picked up the phone and said, let’s just talk. I’ll give you as much time as you want. I’ll tell you what you need to know, and was very helpful, in the information that he gave, and gave no indication whatsoever that he was involved in anything untoward whatsoever, but had good information. That checked out and that helped us and we didn’t have to take a deposition of him in 2009.

Despite the 2002 comment in New York, a lawyer for Trump denied that he and Epstein had a social relationship, according to the New York Times. Another denial came in 2015 when Gawker published Epstein’s contact list, which contained what appeared to be every conceivable number for reaching Trump and his wife. “Mr. Trump only knew Mr. Epstein as Mr. Trump owns the hottest and most luxurious club in Palm Beach, [redacted], and Mr. Epstein would go there on occasion,” the lawyer said.

If Trump or His Administration Wanted to Interfere in the Case, Could They?

Yes. Attorney General William Barr could legally do so and has repeatedly shown a willingness to put loyalty to Trump above all else — though he did tell Congress he might recuse himself from Epstein-related cases since he worked for one of the firms behind Epstein’s controversial plea deal.

And yes, Trump could pardon Epstein if he were so inclined.

What About Bill Clinton?

On Monday, the former president released a statement denying any knowledge of Epstein’s convicted and alleged sex crimes, and that they haven’t spoken in over a decade.

A Missed Opportunity to Expose Epstein’s Abuse

Vicky Ward, who wrote a 2003 profile about Epstein for Vanity Fair, revealed at the Daily Beast on Sunday that her profile had originally contained a highly credible allegation that Epstein had molested a 16-year-old girl, but it was cut from the published version by then-editor Graydon Carter. Ward said that Epstein — who had pointedly and repeatedly asked her, “What do you have on the girls?” during their interviews — denied the accusation and tried to discredit it in some unsettling ways:

He called Graydon. He also repeatedly phoned me. He said, “Just the mention of a 16-year-old girl… carries the wrong impression. I don’t see what it adds to the piece. And that makes me unhappy.”

Next, Epstein attacked both me and my sources. Letters purporting to be from the women were sent to Graydon, which the women claimed (and gave evidence to show me) were fabricated fakes. I had my own notes to disprove Epstein’s claims against me.

And then there was Epstein himself, who, I’d be told after I’d given birth, got past security at Condé Nast and went into the Vanity Fair offices. By now everyone at the magazine was completely spooked.

Ward said that Epstein spooked her too, enough so that she had a guard placed on her newborn twins after he had asked her what hospital they were being treated at. When the allegation of molestation was cut, she was devastated:

I began to cry. It was so wrong. The family had been so brave. I thought about the mother, her fear of the dark, of the harm she feared might come to her daughters. And then I thought of all the rich, powerful men in suits ready to talk about Epstein’s “great mind.”

In the end, she wrote, Carter said he believed Epstein over the mother and two daughters who had made the claim. Vanity Fair, in a statement to the Daily Beast, explained that “Epstein denied the charges at the time and since the claims were unsubstantiated and no criminal investigation had been initiated, we decided not to include them.”

Ward insisted that she does not blame Carter for making what he thought was the right call at the time, but that “it has often struck me that if my piece had named the women, the FBI might have come after Epstein sooner and perhaps some of his victims, now, in the latest spate of allegations, allegedly either paid off or too fearful of retribution to speak up, would have been saved.”

A Larger System at Work

In a Twitter thread over the weekend, author Summer Brennan worried that many following the Epstein case were missing an essential point about what his crimes reveal:

I’ve followed this story and individual for a long time. It needs to be understood that this is about much more than the actions of individual men, but a *system* of powerful men using underage girls as luxury goods to offer, trade, etc. There is a world in which this is the norm. A class of (mostly) uber-powerful men who think the rules do not apply to them. One of them is in the White House.

In the early 2000s, Epstein made a point of befriending prominent or upcoming scientists, journalists, famous actors, and politicians, most of whom were likely never shown this side of things, especially if they were women. Young women who *were* shown this secret world of exploitative male power, often victimized themselves, were given the impression that this was just the way things were and they had no power to change it. But it shouldn’t be that way.

Meanwhile Prince Andrew, one of the most prominent people directly implicated in all of this, walks around virtually unscathed. 

So I do hope coverage of this story does not cop out and make it about the actions of a sick individual, but instead accurately depicts Epstein as what he was/is: a power broker in a world where this sort of behavior is the price of entry.

This post has been updated throughout to include additional analysis and information.

 
 
 
KDMichigan
12.1  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @12    5 days ago
On Monday, the former president released a statement denying any knowledge of Epstein’s convicted and alleged sex crimes, and that they haven’t spoken in over a decade.

But yet he has been to pervert island at least 26 times that we know of. 

What do you think him and Jeffrey were doing at a place known for abusing underage women? 

Trumps contact with Epstein is understandable. Didn't President Trump used to hang with the Clintons?

 
 
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