If I'm A Racist, Then You Are A Moron
It has literally been YEARS since I published anything, and to tell the truth, I really got away from blogging after the collapse of Newsvine. It had a lot to do with several things like time to write, difficulty in adapting to the new site, and quite honestly, the vitriol I saw for anyone who espoused the ideas that I agree with--be they Leftist or Rightist. Now, however, I find myself drawn from my self-imposed retirement by the latest hate-mongering coming from not only the Commoners like myself, but from the Media and the supposedly Leaders of this country. Let's be honest here, I DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE TRUMP AS A PERSON, but I sure as HELL love his goals of securing our borders, growing our economy, cutting taxes, renegotiating trade deals to our benefit, stopping the extremist Islamic threat, and ending our bankrolling of NATO when other countries won't pony up their fair shares. This is the platform he ran on, and this is what I support.
That being said....
I find him to be a bit crude, shrewd, and lewd as a person basing this strictly on what I know of him from what I see as far as his daily interactions with the media and social websites. Does this mean he is actually like this in person? I don't know simply because I don't know him personally. I've never met the guy so there is no way for me to know for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me and to be honest, it wouldn't offend me either. I have a thick skin, unlike too many people these days who think that they are somehow special because they aren't what the majority consider to be normal . Guess what? I'm not normal either apparently. Why? Because I am a Racist because I support Trump's goals! Yes, you read that correctly! If you want a strong economy, lower taxes, to know who is entering the country, and an end to American workers losing their jobs to Third World sweatshops-- YOU'RE A RACIST ! Just like me!!!! You see, when all of these things were promised by both Parties, but never delivered on, along came this person who said he would do them and that person got elected. Now that person is trying to fulfill those promise both Parties have made in the past. Nevermind that these policies will benefit the members of both parties as they have been promised by their previous and current politicians, because this guy is acting rude, crude, and socially unacceptable at times, these policies now mean YOU are a Racist if you believe that these things are important enough that you couldn't care less who it is that gets them done--as long as it gets done! Personally, I couldn't care less if he had a wooden peg-leg, an eyepatch, and a parrot cussing up a bluestreak on his shoulder as he dripped from gonorrhea he caught from a $2 whore in Times Square. I wouldn't care if it was Khalid Abdul Muhammad or David Duke getting it done; AS LONG AS IT GETS DONE!
The goals are what I find to be important, not the person. I'm not planning to date, wed, or become BFF with any of these people on Capitol Hill. The general consensus is that Congress, and pretty much every Politician, is as crooked as the day is long. Going by their popularity, lawyers are trusted more than Politicians! Somewhere along the way, lining their pockets became more important to them than lining ours . So if the morons in office, the media, and in the blogosphere think that labeling me or anyone a Racist for standing firm on the issues I/we find important will suddenly makes us change our minds, well they can all GO FUCK THEMSELVES ! I don't vote based on how people comport themselves, I voted on who is going to make it easier to pay my bills and not have to worry as much about my safety.
Oh, and BTW-- Gun Control means being able to hit your target under a stressful situation !
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Voted up! Hopefully you can break through where others have failed. Many people read NT without commenting and logical, well written articles like this go a long way!
Logical and well written?
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You are correct, I'm not a moron; but those who mistake my support of his policies for support of Trump as a person, ARE morons! Is that clear now?
Which makes you????
Since you don't support me, I have no idea . Probably not a racist.
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No he is not a racist simply because he does not vehemently oppose Trump. Stop personally attacking people who support Trump (or who do not disapprove of Trump appropriately per you standards).
You know that politics is multi-dimensional and one must vote for individuals with whom one does not completely agree. That is how it works.
If you are going to imply someone is racist then base it upon direct racist comments (or acts) not because you presume a Trump supporter approves of everything about the guy.
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Already did. Did you see the 'OR' in my statement? Here it is with color coding:
Yes, I agree with that above; ⇧ they must assume responsibility for their support. But that does not mean that they are racist.
Let's say that you voted for Bill Clinton. Clinton was / is a womanizer. If you support a womanizer does that make you a womanizer? You were partly responsible for putting a womanizer in office and thus must take responsibility for your vote. But the vote / support does not make you a womanizer.
See? Logic.
I never voted for Bill Clinton after his womanizing was verified.
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It was a friggin' example. I even stated it as a hypothetical.
I do understand why you dodged it. You would have had a good rebuttal if your logic had been solid.
Your methods do far more harm than good. It is a real shame that you cannot see this.
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I suppose so. Emotional 'logic' is usually a mess.
You are enabling Trumpism Tig. [deleted]
That is your "logic" ? lol.
I think that an individual who calmly lays out the problems with Trump will be far more credible than one who is on a daily rant about Trump on everything from large to tiny issues and (especially) when said ranter attacks not only Trump supporters but those who do not support Trump but fail to be sufficiently extreme and emotional about it.
Thank you TiG. I have been on the receiving end of John's* demonizing accusations for a long time because the only thing about Trump that I am supportive of is his support of Israel, and the fact that when Trump is JUSTLY and LEGALLY and CORRECTLY defended by Dershowitz I respect Dershowitz's opinion. Because I'm not an American and can CORRECTLY say Trump is not my President I really don't give a damn about anything about him although I take note of the many things he is IMO properly criticized for and strongly join in with such criticisms when it comes to his Trade policies with China and NAFTA that cost ME (and Americans) extra money from my rather meagre pension.
Further, the method seems to not be achieving the desired effect. Instead of changing your mind, here you are.
Nobody is going to chase me away from NT - I've been here since it was created. But if that is not what you mean, I have at times learned from logical argument civilly presented, not from emotional immature attacks, things that HAVE made me change my mind and, unlike some here who would rather run and hide, I also am adult enough to admit it when that happens.
Imo, what is odd, I hear on the news and people say, don't engage in the rhetoric. Don't stoop to their level. Be above the hatred and incivility.
I have to ask...what has been received for it? What have we gained?
When a bully attacks is the response to live and let live? To act as it didn't happen?
When one lets someone walk all over them, sometimes it will not stop until one turns it back on them.
All that is happening now, again my opinion, is people letting trump get away with what he does are normalizing it.
I get what you are saying yet I don't see it doing any more harm than the people at a trump rally yelling send her back...
It is time people did stand up instead of being a victim. Though it is something I am afraid the Democrats don't have a spine to do.
Actually my biggest complaint is attacking those who do NOT support Trump because they are not sufficiently enraged. That, tactically speaking, is counterproductive.
Funny what you will dismiss and overlook yet believe about the other side.
My point was...trump having his people yell send her back hasn't hurt him.
I seriously doubt John being upset about people not being upset about trump, is going to have that much of an impact.
John, the individual, will have zero impact.
However John's tactic when applied by many people will have an effect (to some degree). The effect, IMO, is to dissuade people from the anti-Trump extremist perspective and, as a result, make it easier for Trump to be reelected. Counterproductive.
We all know a lot people here are diehards one way or the other. They will never change who they are voting for. The demographic to me would be the Independents, people on the fence.
I ask myself, what would persuade me more. Someone telling me I am a racist for supporting him or him being a racist.
I think you mean the 'moderates'. Independents are critical thinkers who do not simply accept partisan positions. Moderates, in contrast, tend to think that the truth lies in the middle.
In other words, one can be an independent and be an extremist (left or right) a moderate or anything in-between. The key is that independents do not simply accept what they are told, they think for themselves — we seek credible facts and reason accordingly.
Well we all have our own way of thinking. Someone calling me a racist (for whatever reason) simply tells me that the individual is clueless and causes me to downplay anything else s/he has to offer.
That is always a dominant factor in presidential politics. Election results are highly influenced by the perceived state of the economy.
You are correct about the definitions but you know what I meant.
About your last sentence, why would someone 'on the fence' take more offence at someone saying , if you support him, you are supporting this. That is all I get out of it. And nine times out of ten it is true. That is what they all say. I support what he says and what he stands for.
It would not make me dismiss the racist comments that have been said.
I happen to agree with John. Here we are talking about how what (John or more) said would be perceived. It is letting the right wing control the narrative and say...see how they are?
Giving it a second thought is exactly what they want and people are playing into it.
You have got to be kidding me. Do you actually think that once trump was elected, all the sudden minority employment raised? Like it was static until 2017?
Give me a break.
Because there are plenty of reasons for why people support Trump and I suspect (strongly) that most of them are not because they think he is racist. So telling people they are racists if they support Trump is a great way to get people to dismiss the accuser's ability to reason. (And you know I am stating this in the nicest possible way: the abbreviation consists of two words.)
Plenty of reasons? Hahaha
If I used your logic, everyone would dismiss trump's ability to reason.
(I saw nothing abbreviated in that comment)
Trump has now publicly gone full-on racist. No more shilly-shallying. Dark skins are not acceptable in MAGA-land...
Saying "Trump is blatantly racist" is unacceptable? Seriously?
And if "Trump is racist" is ok... then his faithful - those who will never see ill, no matter what - are necessarily racists, before or after the fact. Why should we not say so?
There may be "plenty of reasons", but almost all flow through the same funnel: racism. Or xenophobia or anti-Semitism or any of their kin.
Yes, they have worries about the economy. They understand this as they have been taught by Fox News: "those brown people coming to take all the jobs".
Yes, they have worries about security. They understand this as they have been taught by Fox News: "all those marauding Black people".
Yes, they have worries about immigration...
Yes, they have worries about... whatever.
And of it is the fault of "those people".
It seems probable that Trump will win another term. That all nine Justices will be loyalists.
America died in the 2014 midterms. Trump is ensuring that the nation will not be mourned by the rest of the world.
Which is the reason "those people" to use your own words are coming to feast on the corpse right? People always flee to oppressive dictatorships, with no freedom, poor economies, and no hope of improving their lives./S
As for the rest of the world mourning; that will last only until the next major natural disaster in a foreign country, or NATO needing the US to do the heavy lifting in another military engagement.
That is all the left has, screaming racism at the top of their lungs and hoping the rest of us will respond.
I've used my own way of attempting to enlighten Trumpp supporters, as i do not understand their blind loyalty, to one, who must consistently resort to blatant LIES!
Here is a previous argument of mine, and just my opinion, as that is all, we all have.
When you see an incompetence of the tremendous gargantuan proportions that Trump has displayed, when you see a serial liar setting the Truth meter on fire, an adoration who can adore and hold himself no higher, tweet out policy confused with collusion to conspire against all he dowst desire to end and expire, because he can't hide his guilt torturing his inside, as he feigns over the little mind fuck who placed him where he sits, throws the kitchen sink at all walls that Mexico will build and pay for, while paying off our multi trillion China debt, just for good measure, do you ever not see that one who has played so many with his lies that stretch further than an elastic band can be elongated without snapping back and eyeballing an eye socket currently conducive with the 'best and the brightest' he said he would surround himself with, well, until they called him a 'fucken idiot', resigned in disgrace for abusing their offices they were most likely the least likely qualified to oversee, and were closer to the antithesis of a truly qualified appointtee with an errant moral compass arrow, shot into an ethical barrel of fish food, starving for thought, as
Trumps' incessant withchunt tweets, hoax, fake news assertions lobbed at one, that both agreed was a good choice to investigate alleged allegations, that has had hundreds of charges brought, concluded some convictions sought, multiple indictments, and an unforeseen amount of yet to be divulged further findings, being professionally handled by an adult, that any innocent Pol would welcome as to clear their name if that were a true claim, has by many, already convicted himself of obstruction, but because those that prefer Trumps Lies over and over, instead of what's real, and cannot admit they were taken, our Country has lost its moral high ground and has begun to concede its world leadership status, and unfortunately, rightfully so.
How can NATO and or any of our Allies not be concerned about his always lying, while insulting our most adamant supporters, he praises tyrants, he has been unable to say a negative word about Putin, while all the while attempting to reduce, and or drag feet, in even implementing the sanctions he was forced to bring about, after completely insulting intelligence, and our intelligence agencies by publically, side by side, asserting Putin's denial was all he needed to know Putin wasn't involved, in 'rigging' the election Trump swore was rigged.
yea, why should those who fail to see this behavior as nothing wrong, need to oppose
such a role model, that all of our children should be coerced to emulate, going on 10,000 lies, whatever could be wrong with accepting this, as opposed to calling it out for what it is ?
Think on that Jack.
Americans have not a duty to hold our highest elected official, to standards we ourselves could never accept from our own family members ?
I'd dismember them, but you are failing in your duty as an American Citizen, and that is just my humble opinion,
that i, at this point in this beyond comedic joke, will not relinquish.
So many fought and died, lost life and limb, for an unstable inferior insecure little man,
to desecrate their sacrifices, is just plain UN AMERICAN again, just my opine
Dismissive of racism, are you?
Why does that not surprise me?
Does your post actually mean anything?
igknorantzrulz , you have to apply more logic.
you are only appealing to emotion.
logic can explain trump's 10,000 lies !
Not usually.
That is stupid.
Why did you make it up?
Are you saying that you do not consider racism to be a topic of importance in America today?
Scarily, I partially agree. People can support Trump without being racist. HOWEVER , people who deny that Trump is a racist, despite the mountains of evidence , must be racist themselves to think his history is normal.
There are also supporters who can admit that Trump is a racist, but state that they support him anyway, based on other things. Now they may think the issue of racism is not as important as other things, however they are the ones that I cannot claim are also racist. While I do not claim these supporters are racists, I do look at them as racism enablers. Allowing it to continue without calling it out, could even encourage racism. (i.e. you don't have to be a part of the actual crime to be an accomplice)
What ability to reason?
Jeez, man... You really need to clean up your writing. It's all over the place:
This kind of insult is supposed to be forbidden by the CoC, but hey! Mod behavior is kinda like Brownian Movement... More importantly, your post doesn't contain any "comparisons". So, yeah... I kinda didn't see what you didn't include...
Really? You found someone who says "you can be married to a racist for 40+ years and not be a racist"?? Could you post a link? ... ... Or did you just make it up?
Jeez, loki! Are you makin' shit up again?
There was a guy named Nelson Mandela who maybe would have disagreed...
Or Martin Luther King.
For them, racism was not just a political platform... it was their lives' cause.
Were they wrong?
Nelson Mandela championed for Voter ID and Martin Luther King didn't run for an office in Washingtong DC.
"six of one, half a dozen of the other"
The irrelevance of your posts always astounds me...
Just following the lead of comment 2.3.52.
I know ….. right ?
Complaining is bad for our brains whether we're doing it or on the receiving end. Fearmongering also has adverse health effects.
To live a healthier lifestyle and promote brain health, it would probably be beneficial to spend as much time as possible with problem solvers with positive attitudes to build societal consensus.
I'm a Nazi just because I support Herr Hitler's goal to make Germany a strong economy? I am not a Nazi.
No more than supporting a strong economy would make you a Republican and a Trump supporter!
Or do you support a weak economy just so you can be a Democrat because apparently, in your world, there is no line crossing. You're either for a strong economy and a Racist, or you must be a Democrat and favor a weak economy.
LOl. You said you support Trump. Therefore you support both a strong economy and a racist.
I don't support Trump, therefore I can support a strong economy without supporting a racist.
Show me anywhere I've stated that above.
Thats the whole point of your article.
In what universe?
So, since you dont support him, you are not going to vote for him then.
What are my options?
The same options everyone else has.
John means we all need to vote for whomever tumbles out of the exploding insane clown car of Democratic candidates running ever further left. It doesn't matter how much we disagree with their political views. Otherwise we are all racists.
And THAT is supposed to comfort me??? I've seen the Democratic field and to be honest, I'm not impressed. I'm still waiting to see what Third Party candidates get a good footing and who among the Republicans will challenge for the contender status. Got my fingers crossed that somehow we will get someone who has polish and panache but also has our (my) best interests at heart.
Isn't the title of a seed on the home page supposed to match the title of the actual seed?
The point is not that most of us still do retain some vestiges of our most primordial impulses of distrust and fear of those who are racially or sexually or culturally different than ourselves. The point is that evolved humans should by now be self aware enough to recognize and resist the bestest of our primitive impulses to hate, to steal, to rape and to kill. Trump is a man dictated by his basest impulses, who wears this on his shoulder with vain glorious pride. Trump is just way too unselfaware to ever examine himself critically and so lacking in empathy as to never have his personal reality even cross his vulgar little mind...
I have to ask...his goals?
Lower taxes? What does that help? One guess as to what gets cut out of the budget first.
The economy? It has been growing since 2010. Acting like no other president would want the economy to grow is a misnomer if not an all out falsehood.
Negotiating trade deals? Nothing has been accomplished. Hell the new NAFTA deal he wants is almost the same.
Stopping extremist Islamic threat? Is there one in this country? Last I heard, right wing nutjobs have created more terroristic activity.
Other countries won't pay their fair share of NATO? Under Obama their share was to gradually increase. I am sure there are some that would love just to pull out under any excuse.
My main point is all the things you list as his goals are generic. Who wouldn't say they are for that. I think it is time some stop listening to propaganda, because that is all trump spews.
Next point is yes...I will call out people that will not or refuse to call out disgusting behavior and just let it slide...just because they might get something they want or were promised.
Yet I keep dancing on my own.
Don't forget that Trump is singlehandedly gutting the EPA and all environmental regulations in order to pander to the fossil fuel and mining industries (not to mention to spite President Obama's environmental accomplishments). The fool doesn't even believe in the scientific/observable reality of anthropogenic global warming and the resultant climate change.
Under Trump's EPA, rivers will burn again and the air will sicken and kill you.
I'm still not convinced that the human race as a whole is the immediate cause of climate change. Sure, I've seen the Hockey Stick and the fallout that caused from massaging the data. I've also seen the same scientist who claim that it is because of our carbon footprint that the Earth is warming at an "alarming" rate while ice sheets increase on one pole while melting on another. I've also seen the historical timelines that show that climate change occurs naturally and I acknowledge that we as a race and our technology does indeed contribute to it, in the range of about 2% while Nature does the majority of the heavy lifting on producing CO2. I've seen first hand L.A.'s yellow air and I know instinctively that can't be healthy. I agree we need to stop polluting our waterways and our air, but what I don't agree with is the methods being proposed to do so by taxation and trading. There is a much easier solution but it is something ALL humans must agree to, and believe it or not, it actually comes from a local ordinance where I live--for every tree of a certain size you cut down for development purposes, one must be planted. I would also add that from this point forward, ALL buildings must either be built underground, or when that is not possible because of natural impediments, then the roofs of those structures must be designed to bear a viable ecosystem of plants no less in stature than those removed for its construction. Fuck Cap and Trade...let's go with Cap and Grow! While we are at it, I suggest that any business that uses water from a waterway and discharges it to the same must return that water in the same condition it was removed. Same temperature and with no more contaminants than were present at its removal.
i belIeve this is the argument T.i.g was wanting peoples opposed to Trump, to make, as opposed to emotional attacks.
Just my opine, and perhaps T.i.G could correct if im off base ?
You should, but you should also call out the Drama Queens who will claim Racism is the root cause when in actuality, it is for other reasons entirely. As many have stated, the Race Card, in particular accusing those who don't share a similar sentiment as the accuser, has been so over-played that it has undermined the true and real examples of disgusting racism. Et tu Brute'???
Here is another classic quote, "Me thinketh thou protesteth too much"...
Close, but it's "The lady doth protest, too much, methinks"... This line is spoken by Queen Gertrude as she watches what she deems outrageous overacting of a character resembling herself, the Queen in the play within a play created by Prince Hamlet to expose his uncle's guilt in the murder of his father, the King of Denmark.
Send them back!
Where can we send you?
As three were born here, just where is "back"?
Nope, they were born here. Deal with it.
I agree, but that is just the Native American in me, lol!
Well done. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I don't like Trump particularly but he didn't sneak up on us. He is well known to most adults in this country. It's not as if he just appeared for the first time on the public scene 4 years ago or even 15 years ago. We have all known Trump for decades. Hell, people have been joking about him (The Simpsons, South Park, etc.) becoming president for a long time.
I have always found him to be pretty ridiculous. He slaps his name on something and that alone is supposed to make it great. Everyone laughs at this kind of thing. I'm not remotely surprised that the guy we have known for decades might be an insensitive pig. Although I confess even with all that background, I was blown away at what sounded like a 7th grade insult contest in the 2016 primary debates.
But he has been talking about the issues on his priority list for many years. It's really no surprise to hear a businessman talk about the economy the way he does. Is he in it for himself? Of course he is! That's what makes so many of us believe that he's not faking when he says he wants to improve our economy.
So is he a dick? Yeah, it sure seems like it on a lot of days. But he also seems like the most motivated president to actually get something done that we have had in a long while. He may suck at it but at least he isn't lying about wanting to do it.
On Election Day, if the Democrats have somebody better lined up, I'll happily vote for that person. But I don't vote based on good Twitter manners. I vote based on whether or not I think a candidate actually has a better shot to get good things done. On Election Day 2016, I didn't have a clue what Hillary Clinton really stood for or what she would really try to do. It wasn't a hard choice.
On Election Day 2020, if I think my only alternative to Trump is some pandering virtue signaler who wants to open up the borders and make it his or her mission to put every business owner in the stocks so we can all throw vegetables at them, then I'll be voting again for the guy who makes leftists clutch at their pearls.
Funny the justifications people come up with. Is he a piece of shit? Why yes he is, but he wants a good economy. Does he say mean things? Why yes he does but he wants us all to be better off.
Of course as a business man he is going to give tax laws favorable to business.
This is the thinking that drives me nuts. Oh yes he is for us, the country, the economy...Propaganda. Sad so many fall for it. Hell we even have evangelicals calling him a gift from god. Why? Because he told you so? Do people really think he cares about them? Comical.
If people cannot see the damage he has done...it is too late.
I saw this phrase from the bible on a church marquee on my way in this morning: "I will show you my faith by what I do".
The only faith that turd has is in himself. He doesn't give a shit about anyone.
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I think if people cannot identify and explain the damage he has done, they might not be assessing him rationally or in fairness. Expecting the rest of us to acknowledge it just because it's allegedly "obvious" is not reasonable. "Trump is mean" is not a compelling argument.
I want to remind readers of my comment that any support I have for Trump, such as it is, does not exist in a vacuum, devoid of context. All elections are a choice between this person and some other person. Like I said, give me someone better and I will vote for that person. But don't expect me to vote for anyone else just because you tell me Trump is making the sky fall.
I think if people have not been overwhelmed by the torrent of damage he has done... they certainly are not assessing him rationally
Then it should be easy to identify it. And yet . . .
No, because we don't see the same world.
Since well before his inauguration, Trump has floooded us with lies. He and his cabinet secretaries have shredded our environmental protection, within the country and around the world. He and his cabinet secretaries hace shredded our traditional alliances, while favorising traditional enemies. He has created crises with China and North Korea. And s-o-o-o-o much more...
But! His supporters see all those events as successes.
I see a disaster. They see a hero.
What damage is that? Be specific...
you don't respond when he gives you examples...
Y ?
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I was out living life. Stop obsessing on internet. It's not healthy.
No, I think you see some policies you disagree with. That's fine. You don't have to like everything he does. But the idea that we should all be overwhelmed by the damage he has done is just over-the-top rhetoric.
Many politicians lie - a lot. Our environment does not seem significantly worse than it was before he was elected. We still trade vigorously everywhere we did before. China and North Korea were adversaries long before he took office. He is just taking a different approach to dealing with them. He hasn't created a crisis. The crises were there already.
I don't see a hero. I just see a guy trying to deal issues that need dealing with.
do U think i'm on here MORE than U... ?
I'm not the one questioning why the other hasn't responded to something. We're talking about a matter of a few hours and you think you have some grounds for demanding to know why I haven't responded. You might hover over NT all day long, but I don't.
DEMAND, really Tacos...
and yet
"you don't respond when he gives U examples, Y ?
is a Fckn DEMAND ? to U
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I've about had it with FCKN being NICE around HERE
This site means VERY LITTLE to NOTHING to me.
I only come on here to vent what i can't in person, and exercise the Demons in my head ( They have great Cardio )
After reading so many excusing this POS LYING MUTHA FCK A WHOLE for any and everything, i find it a tad concerning.
ALL should, but no, U N So many ACCEPT this LYING POS, and excuse him daily.
WHAT A JOKE
He is desecrating what so many fought for, lost life and limb for, as he was Putin in Place by Russia, lied and paid off people to get elected, and is just a plain old POS attempting to Divide our United States, so don't falsely claim i'm demanding something I'm Knot, and or "hovering" around hear, cause F Not, I'll WRITE LOUDER
The 'Right' , have been taken, and it's down right concerning to ones who can see more than their narrow fckn vision.
IF U
have a comment to make to me ,
maybe make it accurate, or DON'T address me
,
it really isn't that difficult, even for those who support, imho, a POS potUS
Iggy......calm down. You are only being played. You are reacting exactly the way the [ Deleted ] want.
Don't play into their game. You are much bigger and better than that. You know who you are dealing with, and so do the rest of us, so take the higher ground. 'K? (smile)
I see a disaster.
I have often said that America died in the 2014 midterms, which foreshadowed 2016. Perhaps a vigorous reaction in 2016 could have saved the country, but it did not happen, and nothing that has occurred since has changed the flow of history. The United States of America is a zombie, just as dead as the Soviet Union, but shambling on by pure inertia.
I do not know what the future will be, but seen from now, it looks like a plutocratic kleptocracy.
I hope my grandchildren learn Mandarin...
Sorry Deer,
but you seem to forget who i might be,and show my "Hand" to .
do you think "Tacos" is going to goat me into peril... ? As i think \,/
on occasion, just a tad more than a
Few Good Men
around here, that apparently, don't know Jack,
but,
i due
appreciate your concern, and find it
admirable.
While I will agree that a supporter of Mr. Trump may not be a racist, but like yourself only interested in the end result.
I do not agree with the ends justifying the means mentality espoused, that has not worked well when implemented in the past.
Apparently....rude, crude, and socially unacceptable is what it takes to get this country moving in a direction where U.S. Citizens actually prosper.
All the "Nice, Nice" by the rest has gotten us nothing but "HEART ACHE" over the decades !
The only ones who are prospering the most are the already ultra wealthy in Rump's America.
If you aren't personally successful, why do you blame Trump for it?
I'm Still routing that YOU can actually "DO IT" though ! I know YOU can.
Every time I see your nonsense I think of a song by Johnny Rivers. Catchy tune.
That's rooting.
I'm doing fine. The turd 'president' has no effect on my life whatsoever.
Really catchy tune. Check it out.
You know what tune it is. You know, the one by Johnny Rivers.
I beg to differ !
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Now that's funny.
Pretty damn funny that so much of their day is taken up by someone who had absolutely no effect on them!
It would be like a basketball fan complaining about what the Cowboys are doing in the offseason!
Completely nonsensical!
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Maybe that Rivers song she is referring to is "Poor Side of Town" in relationship to Trump's economy not working for her.
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I have nothing to hide either
Nope. Although it's not a top secret, classified, hush hush job like some claim to have had
And the minute that Socialism or Communism kick in, they take their money and run to another part of the world where they can continue to enjoy their wealth while donning the mantle of Social Justice Warrior to stoke their egos with the sycophant adulation it brings them.
When is the last time you saw one of these millionaire stars give away ALL their wealth to the poor and needy BEFORE they died (if then)?
Yeah, so what?
Was I talking to you?
Who said they have a crappy life? I'm comfortable. I never had everything handed to me like some
If you really work 75 hours a week, sleep about 50 and then spend an average of 5 hours a day on family time, personal hygiene, household chores and feeding yourself that would only leave about 1 hour a day to waste here. That somehow does not add up. Does it?
That is actually the way a majority of Americans vote.
I can't imagine voting for a poorer economy, and fewer jobs with MORE regulations...while watching politicians fill their pockets with cash. This government can't provide good Health care for veterans...look at how the VA works, is that what the entire Nation should subject themselves to with 'Medicare for All'? We saw how well the Affordable Care Act worked for us.
The current group of Dem candidates are willing to put illegal immigrants above this Nation's Laws and its citizens. They want to 'forgive' tuition loans, make everything free, put extra money in everyone's pockets. No, the current Dem candidates aren't sitting on plans that will enhance this Nation and her citizens...they are espousing plans that would require a magic wand and unicorns. Nothing is free.
I could be a moron, but
that would not
change, if one is a racist.
Just a thought.
If you ignore the economic achievements of the former President but praise Trump for the icing he has placed on top of all the Obama gains, maybe you're just uninformed, or a little bit racist. If you ignore the growing movement you can't not see within your own party that has white nationalists, white supremacists, KKK members and Neo-Nazis praising your party and President for the harsh immigration policies and constant disrespect of minorities and immigrants, maybe you've been deceived by right wing media, or maybe you're a little bit racist. If you believe voter ID laws are really to keep out illegal voting and not as they were found by the courts to have targeted "African-Americans with almost surgical precision," with the intent to disenfranchise minority voters, you might just be uninformed, ignorant of facts, or maybe a little bit racist. If you have any fear of seeing more "brown people" in your community, of losing what you might perceive as "white culture" which is why you want to see a huge wall along the southern border and not the norther border, then yeah, you're more than a little bit racist.
Non-racist's can, if they try hard enough, find things about Trumps policies that they support that have nothing to do with racism or bigotry towards the lgtbq community. But the fact remains, the racists and bigots in America, specifically the white supremacists, look at Trumps policies and find a smorgasbord of policies that they've been wanting for decades, all the things they've been screaming about in their basements as America moved towards a more inclusive melting pot, the exact opposite of how they imagine "their" America. Thankfully, this minor pendulum swing back towards our racist roots is only temporary. The swing back towards justice and equality will be swift and definitive within the next decade and these same bigots and racists will be back in their basements howling in racist incel rage.
"Obama Oversells U.S. Economy"
As well as does the "Left" in this country....STILL !
Do U really wish to put that,
against Trumpp's statements on about ANYTHING ?
cause that's pathetic
From the same website you link:
Sounds like Fact Check changed their minds after Trump took over (2017). They must have been hoping Hillary would have won when they did there 2016 Fact Check checking.
Are you talking about Trumps Tweets, or are you speaking of the "Economy" under Trump now (which was what the actual conversation was about) ?
Obama only “economic accomplishment” was to have the worst economic performance since WWII and the 4th worst of any president in our nation’s history
As a result of his failed economic policies, Obama currently ranks as the fourth worst presidency on record in GDP growth at 1.457%. Only Herbert Hoover (-5.65%), Andrew Johnson (-0.70%) and Theodore Roosevelt (1.41%) currently have lower average annual GDP growth than Barack Obama. In addition, Obama has the lowest annual GDP growth rate of any President since World War II .
“Final Tally: Obama's Subpar Economy Cost Americans $2.4 Trillion
Obama oversaw the weakest economic recovery since World War II.
Just how weak? Compare GDP growth of the 10 previous recoveries to Obama's, which is now 30 quarters long. What you find is that, on average, the real GDP had grown 33.5% over that length of time. Under Obama, total GDP growth has been 17.1%.
Economics: The GDP report for the fourth quarter last year was a fitting end to President Obama's time in office. At a tepid 1.9% growth, it means that the economy once again underperformed everyone's expectations.
As late as June 2016, the Obama administration was forecasting that real GDP would climb 2.2% for the year. Actual growth for 2016 was 1.6%, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis.”
U.S. Deficit Increases to $587 Billion, Ending Downward Trend
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration confirmed on Friday that a six-year run of declining annual budget deficits had halted: The shortfall for the fiscal year that ended Sept. 30 was $587 billion, an increase over last year in dollars and as a percentage of the economy.
The Bush deficit was 481 Billion as of January 2009. At the end of FY 2008 the deficit was 454.8 Billion according to CBO.
Per the US Treasury's month to month data, the deficit as of January 31, 2009 was 481.84 Billion
Weak investment is the signature feature and cause of the abysmal Obama "recovery." The aggregate of all investments in the United States is Net Private Domestic Investment computed by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. Relative to GDP Net Private Domestic Investment (NPDI) was 7% per year from1960 to 2008. That average was 7 to 8 percent from 1960 to 1990, and 6.5 percent in the Clinton and Bush (W) years. But for the Obama years NPDI was an astoundingly low 2% of GDP!
Recession officially ended June 2009- No thanks to Obama and Dems
So I take it you're trying desperately to not look uninformed, but you know as well as I do you're only telling half the story and I just wonder "why?".
Exactly which jobs did this shitstain Rump bring back?
Who was also a member of Congress ... rather than believing a draft-dodging reality TV "star" who got famous for bankrupting numerous businesses and for always needing to be the center of attention?
Trump has overseen a 1% drop in unemployment. Of course Obama oversaw a 5% drop in unemployment, but hey, whose counting anything that black guy did, am I right? /s
Obama cut the deficit by 60%. Trump has increased the deficit by 48%.
Obama oversaw the recovery from the worst US financial collapse in over 70 years reversing the -2.5% GDP and turning it into a +2.5% GDP average with numerous quarters over 4% growth. Trump has managed to add .7% moving us to a 3.2% GDP average.
Forbes compared Trump's first 29 months of job growth with Obama's last 29 months of job growth.
Trump loses.
That is why no Democrat will run on it. They stay far away from mentioning Obama and the economy.
You mean you are really impressed by Obama's one sponsored bill that passed?
Or was it his short time in the Senate missing many votes? Of course he was just using the Senate position as a marker to set up for his presidential run.
But Obama was a master of Chicago style politics. That we can all easily agree upon. But does that make him better or worse than a, " draft-dodging reality TV "star" who got famous for bankrupting numerous businesses and for always needing to be the center of attention?"
Most of us weren't alive the last time the US economy tanked as bad as it did in 2008/2009. It had been over 70 years since that kind of massive recession, bordering on the great depression numbers. Yet, all the Trump sycophants can do is complain about how it was supposedly the "4th worst" recovery in our history. I'm thankful we recovered, not so much complaining that it was the 4th slowest while also being the 2nd worst collapse. Now I get it, you can play semantics and try to convince people to only see it from some warped perspective because the critic is trying to hide the real reason for their animus. But the fact remains, Obama did turn this nations economy around, got us back to record high on wall street and unemployment below its lowest in the previous 40 years both for white and black Americans. [deleted] But stop trying to hide behind the skirts of reason, just admit it, many religious conservatives hated having a black President with a strong black woman as first lady. The right wing memes while Obama was in office proved that deep seated sentiment was there with many caricatures of he or Michelle as apes, Muslims or militant black panthers.
There is a sort of gorilla in the room about all this job growth stuff and economic growth stuff that very few people talk about.
And that is, what Trump basically has done is not take his hands off the steering wheel after Obama handed it to him. The economy was already improving, the unemployment rate was already coming DOWN consistently when Trump took office. He keeps it on the same plane and then grabs all the credit. I'm not saying Trump hasnt contributed to the unemployment coming down, but he is not responsible for it coming down. He can claim that he has kept the trend positive.
The unemployment rate was going to come down no matter who was president. Trumps job creation totals are less than Obamas, therefore all the credit CANNOT be Trumps.
Hey Russell, you forget a little damn thing called the recession? Of course Obama added more jobs in the first 29 months. WTF.
He had TARP, Stimulus, Porkulus, zero percent interest rates, and the Fed pumping millions back into the economy every month buying up toxic assets.
He still oversaw the slowest recovery from a recession ever since WWII, period.
See post 19.3 for Obama's true economy. See below for even more backup.
President Obama was handed a country in collapse and had to basically bake our economic cake from scratch. Did he use some fiscal smoke and mirrors with quantitative easing to accomplish it? Yes, but the fact is he made the cake and baked it that Trump is now merely decorating. Trump has never done a hard days work in his life, and he has done nothing but rebrand Obama's successes and sell them to those who were upset with having a black President. He's added the frosting and gold leaf and told them it was all from him, and that's exactly what virtually every one of the white supremacists, KKK members and neo-Nazi's wanted to hear which is why they came out for him in droves.
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Obama added more fucking jobs, it's that simple. Yeah you could say that Obama had more room to add jobs than Trump did, that is true. By the time Trump got in it started to get tough to add more jobs as the unemployment was already down to 4.7 when Trump took office. So Trump was able to keep the downward trend going.
He didnt perform some fucking miracle, he continued what was already ongoing.
Jesus Christ, will you people please stop with this nonsense that Trump achieved some monumental positive reversal in the economy. Its bullshit.
Is that today's talking point? That Trump's left the economy alone?
Just forget yesterday, with all the whining about how the worst economic team in history and their tax cuts, trade wars, de regulation etc were dooming the economy.
Now its "well, Trump hasn't really done anything."
The economy was already improving..
Right. Once an economy is improving, it can never stop improving...That's how it works, in your world?
unemployment rate was going to come down no matter who became President
Again, that's not how this works.
But if you believe that, it's nice of you to declare yourself, and pretty much every liberal pundit out there, a liar for declaring what a disaster Trump would be for the economy.
Now now...Obama did come up with the Cash for Clunkers program. We do need to get him credit for that.
Don't remind me. The only ones that thanked him for that were automakers.
Try buying a cheap used car for that period; or years after. They didn't exist. Which was what Obama really wanted. It isn't like he was ever going to need to buy a cheap used car to survive a Michigan winter.
i sorta recall Repubs voting
AGAINST any thing Obama suggested, otherwise his presidency would have accomplished significantly MORE,
but, let's omit that little detail
Why would Republicans vote for more socialism?
because they're antisocial
So I guess we can just call anything "socialism" now, right? Why bother going to church, that's socialism. Why bother paying your electric bill, that's socialism. Why allow your grandparent to cash their social security check, that's socialism! Why go to hospitals when you're injured, socialism! The way you use it the word loses all meaning. It's like how gay used to mean happy but is now used for any same sex relationship, socialism used to mean "a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole" but now apparently means anything liberals or progressives suggest to make our nation a more perfect union that protects the rights of all Americans regardless of race, gender, gender identity, sexual orientation, faith or lack thereof. They don't even debate on policy anymore, they just label it "socialism!" and push it into the crowd of torch wielding bigoted dumb shits to burn it in effigy.
You obviously missed the point which was some have so devalued the meaning of "socialism" that its being used as a catch-all for any and all liberal or progressive policies. I was not claiming those things ARE socialist, though many have what some would consider 'socialist' components, I was pointing out how the definition has apparently strayed so far from fact in religious conservatives minds that it can be used for anything. Angry the raccoons are getting into your trash? "Damn socialists! Get out of my garbage!". The word 'socialism' has lost its meaning from being used to profusely, that was my point, though this fact has apparently gone over some heads.
( Pretty much what people seem to do. )
Only in leftist dreamland.
So by your logic Trump could be accomplishing so much more is the Dems weren't voting against any he suggested?
Of course with the Dems obstruction it is on principle; with the Republicans obstruction it was racism and hatred of country./S
My LOGIC ??
How, when it was originally a bill proposed by a Republican, and Obama agreed with it, then it was withdrawn, and or voted against by the Republican Congress, can you call that logic ?
Sight your bills. If you try the PPACA please head straight to the back of the class. That idea was shelved as being completely unusable by the very people that thought it up back during the Clinton administration. Leave it to Obama and the Dems to dust that turd off and try and pass it off as a Republican sponsored idea.
I can give you an instance of the Dems doing it. A very recent one.
You mean like the Dems voting present for the Green New Deal bill?
not the ideas they hate, is it?
The twisted irony is this: Many of the ideas President Obama and the Democrats have tried to put forth were actually Republican ideas first. So when you think about it, finding common ground and passing legislation that might, you know, help the American people, would be possible if Republicans weren’t hell-bent on attacking President Obama.
Here are 10 examples:
1. The Obamacare individual mandate. Before they became obsessed with bringing down Obamacare, Republicans had the idea of a free-rider fee for people who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it, also known as the individual mandate. The free-rider fee is part of “Romneycare” in Massachusetts.
2. End-of-life counseling. Republicans also used to include counseling for end-of-life issues in their own healthcare proposals. But when President Obama liked the idea? Well, he just wants to kill your grandparents. Oh, and by the way, the so-called “death panels” are nothing of the kind. It’s simply about giving patients and their families the information they need to make the best decisions about the end-of-life care they want.
3. Donor disclosure. Before they opposed the DISCLOSE Act , Republican Congressional leaders were all for transparency in campaign contributions. How can we forget House GOP leader John Boehner proclaiming that “sunlight is the best disinfectant” ?
4. Clean energy. There was once a day when Congressional Republicans made clean energy a priority . They supported national energy laboratories, hybrid-vehicle manufacturers and the development of electric car batteries. Now, of course, they want nothing to do with clean energy. After all, there are plenty of climate-change deniers to claim there’s no reason to make the investment.
5. Medicare cost savings. Before they accused Obamacare of “cutting” $700 billion from Medicare, Republicans in Congress proposed the same $700 billion in savings from reducing waste and inefficiencies in Medicare. But unlike the cuts made by Obamacare, which come from eliminating excess payments to providers (not patients), the GOP wanted to use the money for more tax cuts for the wealthy. Not to mention that Republicans have been trying to make cuts to Medicare for years , and still are. Vouchers, anyone?
6. Deficit-reduction commission. This one’s downright blatant. Republicans in Congress voted against their own bill to create a deficit-reduction commission because, according to a former GOP senator, they wanted to “stick it to the president.”
7. Welfare flexibility. After wanting more flexibility to eliminate red tape and move people out of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program and into jobs, Mitt Romney, GOP governors and Congressional Republicans fought the idea when the Obama Administration proposed it.
8. Nuclear START treaty. Before they tried to block the nuclear START treaty negotiated by the Obama Administration, Republican leaders supported it under Presidents Reagan and Bush.
9. Gun violence prevention. Republicans in Congress helped President Reagan pass the Brady Bill establishing a national gun purchase background check system and pass a ban on military-style assault weapons . Now Republicans in Congress
oppose restoring the ban , and voted against closing the background check loophole that lets criminals buy guns easily at gun shows and over the Internet.
10. Upholding the Constitution. Many Republicans — especially Conservatives — say they live by the Constitution. But they can’t seem to make up their minds about the Constitution’s eligibility requirements to serve as President. Conservatives have, and still do, argue that if President Obama were born in a foreign country (which he wasn’t) to his American mother, he’d be ineligible to be President. But they don’t seem to have a problem with Tea Party darling Senator Ted Cruz running for President — even though he actually was born in a foreign country to an American mother.
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You're cheating, iggy. Using facts. Tying them together with logic
Such behavior is not well looked-on, on NewsTalkers...
or responded to
OK, here is "your" logic.
From the article it takes it from.
George H.W. Bush had a plan, but didn't release it because it wouldn't pass a Democratic Congress. So the Dems were against it for a Republican president; but for it for a Democrat one. Really proves my point . Thank you.
How many Republicans were left that endorsed it in Congress when it was passed that originally sponsored the idea? Go ahead, peruse the names.
Here, I will make it easy for you and attach a list of the vote. How many people on the list they used were actually there to vote on the PPACA? Oh, and voting against the piece of shit law doesn't mean they weren't for certain parts of it. They were against the over all law; so the point is even further blunted.
Also, the Heritage Foundation shelved their health care attempt; because they didn't deem it feasible, and it didn't have the support of the majority of Republicans.
Told you not to list the PPACA. That has been disproven so many times it isn't even funny.
You need to do better, much better.
Want to explain why the ACLU was against the law if it was that great?
Please. Republicans supported all energy. Of course the Republicans that you are talking about were a different crop from the previous Republicans weren't they? Of course the left considers Tea Party members Republicans- which they are not. They may caucus with Republicans but that is about it.
The Democrats weren't interested in negotiating. Obama wanted the Republicans to roll over and play dead. When they didn't the hissy fit on the left started.
I will tackle the rest if I feel like wasting more time.
You asked me for examples, i provided them.
Don't make excuses for them. I provided them, and proved your questioning my statement about Republicans reversing their positions on ideas they supported, when Obama then elected to want those ideas moved forward, to be wrong.
I stand by my original assertion, the one you declared inaccurate.
Great article CK!
CK, I like many, many others, agree with you on this.
It seems like we are back in 2008-2016 again when liberals called us racist for no other reason than not thinking like them. or for criticizing messiah Obama for his policies. They did not learn from 2016, that the name calling, the insults, and the demeaning of us is the reason why we have a President Trump. I think that if they had kept the campaign and election clean of insults, and assaults, we may very well have had a President Hillary. I'm actually pretty happy we don't, however.
What liberals don't realize is that millions of us conservatives are married to others of another race, my wife being from the Philippines. If I use liberal logic, (I feel my IQ would drop 20 points if I did) I am racist against my wife, our son, his wife who is Japanese, their 2 kids, my wife's siblings, her mom, and every Filipino that I have come in contact with, whether here in the US, or in the Philippines. How idiotic can they be?
When I stated on another thread that I agree with the President for saying the "squad" needs to go back to where they are from, (I don't agree with the exact language, but I do with the pretense), and that my wife has been a victim of "go back from where you came", from a black woman, no less, liberals jumped on me and said that I should be sympathetic to their plight. I am not. My wife loves this country and is as happy to be an American as most who were born here. That is a direct 180 from the "squad", who obviously hate this country and want to change it to a liberal utopia that is sure to fail. They are simply just too naive to realize it.
Thank God for immigrants who have come here to embrace the American dream, adopted this country as their own, and love this country, hoping it will succeed in the same way it had in the past 200 plus years, and have dismissed liberals and their rhetoric to "fundamentally transform" this country into a proven, failed socialist, liberal utopia.