Venice's devastating floods are the 'canary in a coal mine' for coastal cities worldwide

  
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Venice's devastating floods are the 'canary in a coal mine' for coastal cities worldwide
As climate change causes sea levels in Venice — and across the planet — to inch higher, scientists say catastrophic floods could become more severe and more frequent.

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FLYNAVY1
1  FLYNAVY1    4 weeks ago

Not going to make a damn bit of difference to those on the right until the water rises to their lower lip...… 

And I honestly doubt that even then, they will admit that it was a problem that could have been avoided.

 
 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    4 weeks ago

You seem to blame all this on the US, and suggest  a simplistic remedy, but it is a very big planet out there and a majority of those other nations are not doing their fair share in cleaning up their own air.

The US has made great strides in reducing emissions in the last few decades, but the truth remains that we are in an interglacial period for the time being and will continue to warm.

When you get down to it, cleaning up the atmosphere is a world wide goal. But who knows...perhaps another ice age could be just around the corner.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.1  SteevieGee  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    4 weeks ago
The US has made great strides in reducing emissions in the last few decades,

Yes Greg, the US has made great strides.  Led by California, the us has been leading the world in reducing emissions since the 60s.  Now, however, we have a President who has pulled out of the climate  accords, opened up anwar to drilling, supported coal power, relaxed cafe standards, and is actively working toward thwarting California's efforts to keep America leading the world toward a cleaner future.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2.2  Greg Jones  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

The Climate Accords, Steevie....where we (USA) pay (bribe) other nations to please don't pollute, so they can perhaps get around to not polluting some day in the future....in they get around to it...and if they feel like it?

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.3  SteevieGee  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2.2    4 weeks ago

We cannot lead or affect change without a seat at the table Greg.  That's the climate accords.  What about the rest of it?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.4  XDm9mm  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.3    4 weeks ago
We cannot lead or affect change without a seat at the table Greg

Unfortunately, when we (the United States of America) sit at the table, while there are good intentions by all, the check is still handed to us for payment.  

I don't mind doing what we can, but how about others try to catch up to what we've already accomplished before asking us to do more?

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.5  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.4    4 weeks ago

9mm,

The way it went with the Paris accord, is that the funding is voluntary. There are over 190 nations that have signed on. We had no reason to pull out. We were not forced to pay. 

Here is a great article from the BBC explaining this: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40138062

Important points:

Which countries have pledged the most?

US - $3bn (£2.3bn)

Japan - $1.5bn (£1.2bn)

UK - $1.2bn (£931m)

France - $1bn (£776m)

Germany - $1bn (£776m)

Source:   Green Climate Fund


The UK has paid about £400m into the fund so far, and Japan nearly half of its pledged amount. However, this does not necessarily paint the same picture if you take the population size of the countries into account. According to the Green Climate Fund's tracker, the US pledge amounts to just over $9 (£7) a person. Sweden's pledge represents almost $60 (£47) per person, the highest out of any country. The UK has proposed almost £15 a person. India and China have not put forward any cash into the Green Climate Fund.

China has made   available significant funds   for a different fund to help developing countries combat climate change.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.6  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.5    4 weeks ago

PH...

While all that is well and good, the countries actually polluting the most, China and India, are essentially left alone for years to come.  

What many refuse to accept is that for us to do much more than we already have is detrimental to our own economy and way of life and hurting our economy would further erode our ability to address the environment.

Oh, per your own post, the one European country that can actually afford more is the lowest contributor.  Germany.  They have by far the largest economy of any European country.   Could it be that they believe Germany comes first before helping other countries?

Further, while we're "not forced to pay", you know that climate extremists in the Congress would want us to pay most of if not all of it.  I won't name any names of course, but one comes from Vermont, and at least one comes from New York if my memory serves me.

 
 
 
Dean Moriarty
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.8  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.6    4 weeks ago

While I totally agree that it is China and India were left alone for years, they are not being left alone now. And China for sure could afford to pay some more. But 3 billion dollars in the scheme of things is next to nothing for us. I do agree that Europe should be paying much more than they have.

The issue here is one of thinking locally but act globally, since this is affecting the whole world at this point. And yes I would like to see more spent here, but instead, we are actually cutting back on clean water regulations and that affects us directly. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.1    4 weeks ago

Our governor already put him in his place regarding climate change.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
1.2.10  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Dean Moriarty @1.2.7    4 weeks ago

Dean,

First of all this is an op/ ed. I can find another op/ed that would make a good argument the other way.

The Paris accord is voluntary. The goals could have been renegotiated, instead of just pulling out. But it does make for a good show for his supporters. 

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.11  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.8    4 weeks ago
While I totally agree that it is China and India were left alone for years, they are not being left alone now

Oh please.   Outside of major metro areas, they still burn manure to cook and heat with.   And China 'MIGHT' stop building coal power plants sometime in the next decade or two.

Three billion spent helping 'other' countries can be much better spent helping Americans right here.   WHEN are we Americans going to think about ourselves before we worry about others?   I've personally seen too much spent in the shitholes of the world that 1- wasn't appreciated and 2- essentially destroyed when we left to really care what they do.

How about this as a compromise?  Let OTHER countries take the lead, pave and pay the way, and WE can provide follow up support for a change?  

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.12  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.10    4 weeks ago
The goals could have been renegotiated, instead of just pulling out.

Uhmmm....  we 'renegotiated' NAFTA and that will have a direct impact on us in this country.  It seems we're still waiting for Congress to get on board with that.  Hell, Canada, Mexico, farmers and even the Unions want it passed so what's holding it up?  Oh yeah, someone that wants to make a "good show" for her supporters.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.13  SteevieGee  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.11    4 weeks ago

So...  The answer, then, is to build coal fired power plants here?  To lower our standards?  Is letting other countries lead us making us great again?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.14  XDm9mm  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.13    4 weeks ago
The answer, then, is to build coal fired power plants here? 

When you show me SPECIFICALLY where I said that, we can have a serious rational intelligent discussion.  Until that time, run along and pester another.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.2.15  bugsy  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @1.2.5    4 weeks ago
Which countries have pledged the most?

What's noticed is that the top polluters, China, India and probably the Philippines are not in the top 5 of donors.

Why would the US pick up the tab for countries that will probably simply pocket those donations?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
1.2.16  XDm9mm  replied to  bugsy @1.2.15    4 weeks ago
Why would the US pick up the tab for countries that will probably simply pocket those donations?

Oh, oh, oh.....   can I answer?  Can I? Can I?

Because it would make some in this country FEEL GOOD.  And we all know feelings and emotions are of paramount importance over substance to many.

 
 
 
bugsy
1.2.17  bugsy  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.16    4 weeks ago

I watch news from the Philippines almost every night. A couple of months ago, there was a concerted effort to clean up Manila Bay, a highly polluted waterway. Thousands of tons of plastics and other trash was cleaned from the beach and on the water in a few days. Unfortunately, the beaches are loaded with trash again. Much of it is not new, just stuff that had been in the water for long periods of time and washed up. It is a very long process to clean all of it up, if they ever do.

Filipinos put everything in plastic, even store owners pour contents of a soda bottle into a plastic bag with a straw for the customer. They still get refunds on bottles, so the store owners want to keep the bottles.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.18  SteevieGee  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.14    3 weeks ago

Your president has stated, repeatedly, that he loves coal.  What else would you do with it?  They don't use it to power locomotives anymore but I guess he could bring those back.  He always loved the smell of the coal smoke wafting past the windows as he shot bison from the train.  Perhaps a new Tesla model with a coal powered on board generator?  A hybrid.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
1.2.19  SteevieGee  replied to  XDm9mm @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

So...  Your great deal maker can't handle it?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.20  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  SteevieGee @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

We are going to continue with our strides despite Trump trying to derail them.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
1.3  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    4 weeks ago

That was already debunked.

manbearpig....

384

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
1.4  Freedom Warrior  replied to  FLYNAVY1 @1    3 weeks ago

Why should it there’s nothing you can fucking do about it.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2  Buzz of the Orient    4 weeks ago

There's always a silver lining - the gondola drivers can now go pretty well everywhere in Venice, so it could be a boon for them.

 
 
 
PJ
2.1  PJ  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

The gondola and boats brought another dynamic to Venice's problems.  When I was there one of the issues being discussed was how the water was eroding the structures at an accelerated rate due to lapping of water against them.  It's a beautiful city that has be ruined by tourism, imo.

I wonder how many more changes in weather patterns and the environment have to happen before some understand and accept the danger enough that it moves them to act.

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  PJ @2.1    4 weeks ago
I wonder how many more changes in weather patterns and the environment have to happen before some understand and accept the danger enough that it moves them to act.

We've been reducing carbon emissions for decades, yet we are told that things are getting worse.

And what is really going to stop "Mother Nature" from doing her thing ?

Maybe we can do something like they did in the movie ….. The Core (2003) …..to cool down the core of the planet and create a big ice cube to offset the warming above ?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
2.1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @2.1    4 weeks ago

I would like to see your scientific facts as to what weather patterns have changed, by what means, and to what extent.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @2.1.1    4 weeks ago

It was to restart the rotation of the core, not to cool it down.  It was accomplished by a series of nuclear explosions of the separated parts of the ship Endeavor.

 
 
 
SteevieGee
2.1.4  SteevieGee  replied to  PJ @2.1    4 weeks ago

I'm so glad I got to see Venice while it's still there.  The Grand Canal was about maybe a foot or two below the doors of the palaces.  To have thigh deep water in St. Mark's Square like in the pictures would put entire first floors of the buildings on the canals under water.  I'm afraid for Venice.

 
 
 
PJ
2.1.5  PJ  replied to  SteevieGee @2.1.4    4 weeks ago

They are used to flooding but this is not a normal pattern and why you rightly point out that Venice should be worried.

I'm also glad I was able to see beautiful Venice.  I'm someone partial to old architecture so this was a special treat for me.  Honestly, I love traveling all over Europe just to see the buildings and structures.  One area I visited in Germany allowed me to see the buildings damaged by the war.   It was impactful.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2    4 weeks ago

I never used a gondola when I was there because the stench from the canals made me queezy.  I loved St Marks square even though the local cops took me in for throwing two of them in the water.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2    4 weeks ago

WHAT???   Please tell us the story!!!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.1    4 weeks ago

I was 17, thin and blonde which Italian men loved.  A bunch of them ganged up on me offering me anything I wanted.  I began to back up trying to distance myself from them.  Suddenly two men were behind me and grabbed my arms.  I threw my arms back out of instinct with enough force to throw the men off balance and then I heard a double splash.  It would seem that two Italian police were trying to stop me from backing up to the edge of a canal so I wouldn't fall in myself.  I wasn't arrested but they took me in to find out where I was staying so that someone from the hotel could come get me.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.2    4 weeks ago

LOL. Good story.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @2.2.3    4 weeks ago

The only reason I was on a tour there was because my parent thought that I couldn't get into any trouble in a place as large as Europe lol.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
2.2.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.4    4 weeks ago

When I was in Europe the first time, the only "trouble" I almost got myself into was in Madrid.  I was out taking pictures, and saw an interesting building that had an open gate leading to a courtyard, so I went in and started taking pictures. Two cops rushed over to me and I knew I was in trouble.  I didn't know it was the main police station and the Spanish are still sensitive about the Loyalists who fought Franco in the civil war.  (Apparently, from the news, there is still discontent there.)  When they found out I was a Canadian tourist, and I gave them each a few Canadian cigarettes, they let me go.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
2.2.6  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

That’s known as the power of the pussy.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2.7  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.2    3 weeks ago

St Marks Square with the nrabid npigeons !

.

I was very drunk and lost in VENICE, by myself in November trying to find my way back to the Hotel I couldn't remember the name of, atv 3 am

in November.

I saw something I thought I recognized, so I climbed along the jagged edge of buildings along side the canals, that did stink, even in cooler weather.

Needless to say, I fell in to the stinkin canal, cops were called as they thought I was a burglae, not just a stupid drunken American who couldn't find his way back to where he couldn't remember where he was staying.

Now I'm soaked and freezing getting interrogated by Venetian blind police who didn't speak much English, but I could spell spaghetti , so luckily, a patron of the bar I had been in stumbled upon us, and we stopped at his flat, burned some hash under glass, then looked for a few more hours till I got home at dawn, then freezing, fell asleep in my Hotel bath.

My old man was not impressed.

Cool town though, I think ?

 
 
 
Ronin2
3  Ronin2    4 weeks ago

I will give this a yawn followed by a do some damn research.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7620018/venice-sink-flood/

According to LiveScience , the rise in sea-level isn't the only thing that has Venice's famous canals rising every year because the city is subsiding.

Previous studies had suggested the city's subsidence had stabilised but it has been claimed that the city is tilting to the east.

Scientists tracked the elevation of Venice and its surrounding lagoons over a ten year period and have said that on average, the city is sinking up to two millimetres every year.

It's thought the subsidence is due to plate tectonics as the Adriatic plate, on which Venice sits, is subducting beneath the Apennines Mountains and causing the city and its environs to drop slightly in elevation.

Exceptionally high tides in Venice occurs once every four years, on average.

However minor flooding in the city happens around four times a year and usually within the winter months.

High water can sometimes last only for a few hours but it is dependent on which part of the island is hit by floodwaters.

In 2018 the waters reached a height of 156cm in October after flooding across Italy.

But this was exceeded in 2019 as it reached 187cm - the highest since the flood of 1966.

So it is the highest it has been since 1966. Want to blame climate change on  that one as well? Since they state Venice is sinking about 2 millimeters every year that would make the 1966 flood easily the worst. 

Yes, we have to do something to reduce man made pollution; but since the left won' even discuss the one thing that will actually work (population control) it is a lost cause.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1  PJ  replied to  Ronin2 @3    4 weeks ago
Yes, we have to do something to reduce man made pollution; but since the left won' even discuss the one thing that will actually work (population control) it is a lost cause.

Both sides have their own denials regarding population control.  The right doesn't respect those who want to exercise population control by making a personal choice, a pro choice. 

What methods are you proposing from the right to control the population other than the inhumane method of hanging blacks, caging kids and shooting desperate immigrants? 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  PJ @3.1    4 weeks ago

Shakespeare had an idea way back then.  He wrote "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".  Science fiction comes up with good ideas.  How about putting a whole lot of rockets upside down on one side of the planet and when they're on the sunny side blast the planet into an orbit a little farther from the sun? 

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.2  PJ  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.1    4 weeks ago

That might be a good idea........ Where should we put those rockets......China?!!

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MUVA
3.1.3  MUVA  replied to  PJ @3.1    4 weeks ago

Why hang blacks when you can kill them by the thousands in their mother's womb . I thought abortion was supposed to be rare or only needed when women's health is in danger, insest ,rape and the occasional I'm to busy for a baby not population control. 

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.4  PJ  replied to  MUVA @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

Are you following me?  I'm flattered.........

Meh - most of what I post on this site is provocative and meant to illicit a reaction or god forbid thinking outside of the box.

So - the point I'm making is that both sides hold hypocritical positions and beliefs on a variety of topics.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.5  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  PJ @3.1.2    4 weeks ago

And who should pay for them?  America?

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.6  PJ  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @3.1.5    4 weeks ago

Nah - I'm sure the Donald will find some way to extort or bribe some country to foot the bill.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  PJ @3.1.6    4 weeks ago

Mexico?

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.8  MUVA  replied to  PJ @3.1.4    4 weeks ago

You comment on my post first if you remember I can agree with your last statement . 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.9  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @3.1    4 weeks ago
What methods are you proposing from the right to control the population other than the inhumane method of hanging blacks, caging kids and shooting desperate immigrants? 

Only in your fevered imagination.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @3.1.3    4 weeks ago

What about all of those who weren't black?

 
 
 
Greg Jones
3.1.11  Greg Jones  replied to  PJ @3.1.6    4 weeks ago
I'm sure the Donald will find some way to extort or bribe some country to foot the bill.

Why should the US pay the bills and finance the whole thing.

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.12  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.10    4 weeks ago

 They mentioned blacks in their post I was responding to that post. I'm not for banning abortion.I'm for the people becoming responsible and not starting a life to only later snuff it out.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.13  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @3.1.12    4 weeks ago

Oh okay. Rock on.

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  PJ @3.1    4 weeks ago

Who the hell mentioned abortion?  Abortions have not stopped population growth.

It would take a world law- one man, one woman, one kid, no exceptions. That would be enforced until the world population drops down to a sustainable level. Population sizes for each country would be based on their technology level, geography, water availability, etc.

It will never happen. The greed level alone will keep the world population growing so they can be always more consumers.

What methods are you proposing from the right to control the population other than the inhumane method of hanging blacks, caging kids and shooting desperate immigrants? 

Hanging blacks was a Democrat thing first and foremost. Caging kids was Obama. Sorry, those illegal immigrants are part of the problem. Unsustainable population sizes cause lack of resources, war, and disease which shifts low skilled labor to developed countries. But congrats on jumping the fucking shark on the response.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.15  PJ  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.14    4 weeks ago

Your response is based on fake talking points. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.1.16  Ronin2  replied to  PJ @3.1.15    3 weeks ago

So it should be easy for you to prove them wrong.

I won't hold my breath waiting.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.17  Tessylo  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.16    3 weeks ago
I won't hold my breath waiting

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PJ
3.1.18  PJ  replied to  Ronin2 @3.1.16    3 weeks ago

Why would I waste my time trying to convince someone who peddles fake talking points that they are peddling fake talking points?  What a silly request.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.19  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @3.1    3 weeks ago
What methods are you proposing from the right to control the population other than the inhumane method of hanging blacks, caging kids and shooting desperate immigrants? 

That was particularly nasty, uncalled for, and completely false.

 
 
 
JBB
3.1.20  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

Except that Trump is caging immigrant kids and conservatives advocated shooting at refugees attempting to approach our southern borders...

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.21  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @3.1.20    3 weeks ago

Bullcrap.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.22  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

My comment is completely true.  Under this Administration and the alt right republicans the policies put in place have caged children, contemplated shooting immigrants and want to celebrate the south's past of hanging blacks. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.23  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @3.1.22    3 weeks ago

Show me the policy put forth by  the Administration to simply shoot immigrants.

Fuck that crap about the South. Remember that it was DEMOCRATS who did the majority of that kind of stuff---like Jim Crow laws and such.

remember how the Democratic Party ostracized the Southern Democrats and left them?

Me neither--because it didn't happen.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.24  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.23    3 weeks ago

Keep peddling that talking point that it was the democrats of today that are racist.  Everyone who has taken the time to educate themselves about the history of this country knows that the parties switched beliefs and platforms back in the late 1800's early 1900's.

At this point, I have no idea what the hell the republicans stand for that could be remotely considered good and honorable. 

Truth be told, I think it's a sad situation.  I am embarrassed for anyone who could align themselves with the republican party of today. 

 
 
 
MUVA
3.1.25  MUVA  replied to  PJ @3.1.24    3 weeks ago

The democrats  were segregationist  in the 50's.Robert Byrd served in the senate as a democrat and KKK member.

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.26  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.19    3 weeks ago

The truth regarding the tRump and his administration is particularly nasty, and uncalled for, and deplorable.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.27  Tessylo  replied to  JBB @3.1.20    3 weeks ago
'Except that Trump is caging immigrant kids and conservatives advocated shooting at refugees attempting to approach our southern borders...'

The 'president' has advocated shooting at refugees attempting to approach our southern borders.  

 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.28  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.23    3 weeks ago

New York Times: Trump suggested shooting migrants in the legs

By   Caroline Kelly , CNN

Updated 9:30 PM ET, Tue October 1, 2019

(CNN) President Donald Trump suggested shooting migrants in the legs in order to slow them down after they crossed the southern border during a March meeting in which he called for a shutdown of the entire US-Mexico border, The New York Times  reported  Tuesday.
The Times -- in an excerpt from the book "Border Wars: Inside Trump's Assault on Immigration" that cites interviews with more than a dozen White House and administration officials directly involved -- reported that Trump had moved on from the idea by the end of what the   paper described as a "frenzied week of presidential rages."   But he had also pivoted to removing staff who had opposed him, an idea largely advocated by White House aide Stephen Miller in his push for greater influence on immigration policy. CNN has reached out to the White House for comment on the report.
The meeting included Miller, then-Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, then-Customs and Border Protection chief Kevin McAleenan, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, presidential adviser and son-in-law Jared Kushner and other senior staff, according to the paper.
"You are making me look like an idiot!" Trump shouted during the meeting, adding in a profanity, multiple officials in the room told the Times. "I ran on this. It's my issue.''
The Times report is a look into how complicated the tense issue of immigration is for an administration that has so far failed to fulfill the President's signature campaign promise of building a wall along the southern border. Migration over the southern border has been at the root of much of Trump's most frenzied rhetoric, including referring to migrants who enter the country illegally as an "infestation" and an "invasion."
Nielsen tried to reason with Trump, explaining that closing the border would not bar migrants from applying for asylum, but he remained steadfast, according to the Times.
Kushner also tried to reason with the President.
"All you care about is your friends in Mexico," the President responded, people in the room told the Times. "I've had it. I want it done at noon tomorrow."
White House advisers persuaded Trump to extend the deadline to the following Friday, pushing Mexican officials to apprehend more migrants and urging Republican lawmakers and Chamber of Commerce officials to convey to Trump the negative repercussions of closing the border, the Times reported. Kushner and other West Wing officials emailed Trump about Mexico's increased apprehensions of migrants before they could reach the US, according to the paper.
Miller told Trump that advisers continually citing legal constraints, such as Nielsen, were part of the problem and that the administration should instead focus on rejecting migrants at the border, The Times reported.
By the middle of the week, Trump appeared to have abandoned the idea and floated to Nielsen the option of imposing tariffs, the paper reported. The Times reported that it was later that week that   Trump offered McAleenan a pardon   if he were sent to jail for having border agents block asylum seekers from entering the US in defiance of US law.
"The President was frustrated and I think he took that moment to hit the reset button," then-acting director of Immigration and Customs Enforcement Thomas Homan told the Times of that week in March. "The President wanted it to be fixed quickly.''
 
 
 
PJ
3.1.29  PJ  replied to  MUVA @3.1.25    3 weeks ago

Yes, he was one of those "southern" democrats aka a republican in disguise.  What's your point?

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.30  katrix  replied to  MUVA @3.1.25    3 weeks ago

You've been provided facts often enough to show you why the racist democrats left the democratic party and became the new GOP.

It really gets tiresome seeing people post the same lies over and over, after the truth has been pointed out to them.

Trump's use of misinformation has been adopted by his base so they can try to confuse people; pathetic.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.31  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @3.1.24    3 weeks ago
Keep peddling that talking point that it was the democrats of today that are racist.  

Not peddling anything. Just not letting you get away with peddling your bull. it WAS Democrats--not Republicans--who did that shit, Look it up if you don't believe me.

BTFW, where are the policies you claimed came from the GOP about shooting immigrants? You claimed it--so PROVE it instead of ignoring my challenge and deflecting.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.32  Texan1211  replied to  Tessylo @3.1.26    3 weeks ago
The truth regarding the tRump and his administration is particularly nasty, and uncalled for, and deplorable. 

My best hope for America is that sometime in the next 25 years, Democrats will finally get over the fact that their chosen candidate somehow lost a sure thing to Trump, accept that fact, and move on with their lives.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.33  Texan1211  replied to  PJ @3.1.29    3 weeks ago
Yes, he was one of those "southern" democrats aka a republican in disguise.  What's your point?

Yet MORE Democratic revisionist history. Byrd remained a Democrat until his death.

Tell me, how does a "Republican in disguise " get to be the Secretary of the Democratic Caucus? Or get  to be the Democratic MAJORITY Whip?

Your characterization has to be one of the best fairy tales out there.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.34  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.31    3 weeks ago
it WAS Democrats--not Republicans--who did that shit, Look it up if you don't believe me.

Look up the actual facts and stop trying to gaslight. Those racist Democrats left the party over civil rights and became the new face of the GOP and the religious right. The non-racists stayed Democrats, and the GOP gathered all the assholes.

The right wingers constantly throw this bullshit out there, they constantly get corrected, but their Fox brainwashing is so ingrained they think repeating falsehoods somehow makes them true.

As you should also be aware if you ever read any genuine news sources, Trump suggested shooting illegal immigrants in the legs, building an alligator filled moat ... they weren't GOP policies, just your President's grand illegal ideas. If you aren't aware of these things, you really need to find more credible things to read.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.35  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.34    3 weeks ago
Look up the actual facts and stop trying to gaslight. Those racist Democrats left the party over civil rights and became the new face of the GOP and the religious right. The non-racists stayed Democrats, and the GOP gathered all the assholes.

That statement is a lie. Tell me how many Southern Democrats joined the GOP. Tell me how many Southern Democrats kept running AND wining elections in the South long after the CRA.

Don't try pissing on MY leg and tell me it's raining--I ain't buying your bullshit.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.36  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.35    3 weeks ago

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Texan1211
3.1.37  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.36    3 weeks ago

Exactly the sort of response I would expect from someone who gets called out and can't or won't support his positions.

When you post bullshit, you shouldn't be surprised when thinking people reject it.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.38  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.37    3 weeks ago

I get tired of being asked for proof for the same issues over and over by folks on the right. It's not my job to repeatedly do your research for you. If you refused to read it the first 3 times, why waste my time posting it yet again?

You and several others in here are famous for doing this. Maybe it works for Fox News addicts and Trump fans, but it doesn't work on intelligent people.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.39  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.38    3 weeks ago

I have researched it. A handful of Democratic politicians changed parties. BFD.

The vast majority remained Democrats. As evidenced by the fact that they continued to run and win as Democrats for decades.

Unless you can actually post something to the contrary, it is easy to see who is telling the truth here.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.40  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.39    3 weeks ago

What part of "civil rights" in my earlier comment did you fail to grasp? You know, that huge movement in the 1960s that led to the GOP being the party of racists? And of course the religious right is a whole other debacle, thanks in part to Phyllis Schlafly, may she rot in hell.

https://www.history.com/news/how-the-party-of-lincoln-won-over-the-once-democratic-south

After that, the majority of the South still continued to vote Democratic because it thought of the Republican party as the party of Abraham Lincoln and Reconstruction. The big break didn’t come until President Johnson, another Southern Democrat, signed the Civil Rights Act in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act in 1965.
 
 
 
Tessylo
3.1.41  Tessylo  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.39    3 weeks ago
'I have researched it'

LMFAO!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.42  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  katrix @3.1.30    3 weeks ago

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MUVA
3.1.43  MUVA  replied to  katrix @3.1.30    3 weeks ago

Complete bullshit your post is a fantasy at best.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.44  katrix  replied to  MUVA @3.1.43    3 weeks ago
Complete bullshit your post is a fantasy at best.

Wow, what a compelling argument!

I know you're fact-averse, but I don't understand why you so proudly boast about your willful ignorance. I'd think you would be embarrassed.

I wonder why so many right wingers have never taken history or civics classes ... apparently that's the only way they can keep their delusions, by refusing to learn about reality. It's the same thing that leads them to get their news from only Fox. But it explains why Trump's lies don't bother them; truth isn't important to them and if they refuse to tell the truth, why would they expect Trump to?

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.45  katrix  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.42    3 weeks ago

They'd have to pull their arms out of Trump's ass before they could do either - they're too busy massaging his prostate.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.46  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  MUVA @3.1.43    3 weeks ago
Complete bullshit your post is a fantasy at best.

"Although the phrase "Southern Strategy" is often attributed to Nixon's political strategist Kevin Phillips, he did not originate it but popularized it. In an interview included in a 1970 New York Times article, Phillips stated his analysis based on studies of ethnic voting:

"From now on, the Republicans are never going to get more than 10 to 20 percent of the Negro vote and they don't need any more than that... but Republicans would be shortsighted if they weakened enforcement of the Voting Rights Act. The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are. " - Republican strategist Kevin Phillips

The perception that the Republican Party had served as the "vehicle of white supremacy in the South", particularly during the Goldwater campaign and the presidential elections of 1968 and 1972, made it difficult for the Republican Party to win back the support of black voters in the South in later years. In 2005, Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman formally apologized to the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People ( NAACP ), a national civil rights organization, for exploiting racial polarization to win elections and ignoring the black vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy

Anyone who imagines that all the bigoted white Christian Southern Democrats who used to rule the south and fought the civil rights act and fought to preserve the status quo of segregation, whose ancestors fought to conserve the status quo of slavery, all just moved out of their States or died off and were replaced over a span of just fifty years by look-a-like white Christian Republicans who would never do such things in a million years and consider themselves the party of Lincoln, should have their heads examined. The people haven't changed, only their party affiliation has and the Republican party is now the party of proud wannabe confederates, the KKK, white nationalists and wannabe Nazis. Those claiming anything different have their heads in the sand and are in=gnoring reality.

Now, I'm not saying all Republicans are white nationalists, ex-Southern Democrats (aka Dixiecrats), KKK members or Nazis. Most Republicans are not. But virtually every one of those types of people I've seen or talked to express their loyalty to the Republican party and to Donald Trump, so it's quite obvious to anyone with a functioning brain that there is a safe space within the Republican party for those white nationalists and other bigots who feel angered at the Democrat party for being so inclusive and because they see a diverse America as a better, stronger America.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.47  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.42    3 weeks ago

wfe fish.

 
 
 
PJ
3.1.48  PJ  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.31    3 weeks ago

Calm down.  You are going to put your health at risk if you keep blowing your top.  There's a cure.......dump the trump.  You'll feel so much better afterwards.

My comment said "contemplates shooting immigrants" and I believe Tess provided you proof of trump's contemplation. 

next......

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.49  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.40    3 weeks ago
You know, that huge movement in the 1960s that led to the GOP being the party of racists

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You can quote AL the bullshit you want, but it DAMN sure doesn't explain how or why so many Democrats CONTINUED to be elected in the South for DECADES.

Or why the South voted for two Democrats for presidents well after the CRA passed.

Bunch of ignoramuses think virtually the entire South turned from Democrat to Republican BUT CAN NEVER BACK THAT SHIT UP.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.50  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.49    3 weeks ago
Bunch of ignoramuses think virtually the entire South turned from Democrat to Republican BUT CAN NEVER BACK THAT SHIT UP.

No one said that. There are many Democrats in the South still, millions of them just happen to be black. But if you're referring to the old white racist 'Dixiecrats', then yes, virtually all of them changed party or died off. Trying to remove their beloved statues to American traitors really got their attention though, as we saw in Charlottesville. If you're still trying to pretend the Republican party isn't currently making a safe space for bigots, white nationalists and white supremacists then perhaps you need to take a look at the line of folk always waiting to get into Trumps rallies. I've seen the range from proud confederate defending, Putin loving traitors to diabetic hags with t-shirts asking Trump to grab them by the pussy.

 
 
 
katrix
3.1.51  katrix  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.49    3 weeks ago
Bunch of ignoramuses think virtually the entire South turned from Democrat to Republican BUT CAN NEVER BACK THAT SHIT UP.

It's impossible to back something up to someone who is allergic to facts.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
3.1.52  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.50    3 weeks ago
I've seen the range from proud confederate defending, Putin loving traitors to diabetic hags with t-shirts asking Trump to grab them by the pussy.

C'mon pill heirs of their communities \!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.53  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.50    3 weeks ago
But if you're referring to the old white racist 'Dixiecrats', then yes, virtually all of them changed party or died off. 

Statement is false.

What a huge surprise!

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.54  Texan1211  replied to  katrix @3.1.51    3 weeks ago
It's impossible to back something up to someone who is allergic to facts.

As a long time sufferer of that particular allergy, I am sure you have loads of experience ignoring the facts.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.55  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  katrix @3.1.45    3 weeks ago

I have no retort as the fish removed my comment.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.56  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.53    3 weeks ago
Statement is false.

So you imagine there are some confederate flag waving Southern Democrats fighting to keep their local planned parenthood open and fighting for their local Democrat party voting for the many black Democrat legislators? You really imagine those folk who fought to keep segregation, fought against the civil rights act and voting rights act would continue to call themselves Democrats after the Democrat party crafted the 1964 civil rights act and were the majority party who passed it in both the house and the Senate and then a democrat President signed it into law? You believe those confederate flag waving bigots who waved their flags along side Nazis who were flying swastika flags chanting "Jews will not replace us!" are really by day pink knit hat wearing Democrats?

I'll admit that there could be some old party racist Southern Dixiecrat who may never have gotten around to changing party affiliation, but I rather doubt it. The racist duck call was blown by Trump and whatever left-over xenophobic racist Dixiecrats might have been left in the Democrat party all flocked to Trumps side.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.57  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.56    3 weeks ago

No one ever has a credible explanation as to why Democrats continued to dominate the South for decades.

That's o k, I realize there isn't any credible explanation as to why Democrats kept winning when all the racists switched to the GOP.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.58  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.57    3 weeks ago
there isn't any credible explanation

No one said it was overnight, it has been a forty year molting, but as you can see, the Red Butterfly that emerged from that cocoon in the late 1990's has confederate flags on its wings, votes Republican and supports Donald Trump. Lamenting the slow shift doesn't defend against the facts on the ground today. They are DEEPLY red States all those districts that used to be Dixie blue exist no longer, now the only blue counties are the predominately black communities. So did all those rural whites who used to vote Dixiecrat sell their land and move? Of course not. So looking at the map today it is undeniable that those areas are DEEP Red now and have been for the last two decades. I'm not sure why you're arguing something that is so blatantly obvious.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.59  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.58    3 weeks ago

And I am not sure why you are perpetrating a lie.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.60  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.59    3 weeks ago
And I am not sure why you are perpetrating a lie.

Because it's the honest truth and you know it and is backed up by clear evidence. All I've seen from the right to dispute it is some election results in the 60's and 70's that showed Dixiecrats still winning seats in the South for a time. Like I said, it wasn't overnight that the switch happened, a lot of them were set in their ways and it took time for the Republicans to chip away at them until they were able to convince the old racist Dixiecrats that the Republican party better suited them. It's why it was called the "Southern strategy" and not the "Southern Insta-flip". It took the better part of 30 years to complete the shift, and anyone denying the deep red power in Southern States given them by white Christian majorities, the same white Christian majorities that used to dominate the South with Dixiecrat blue who are now virtually all Republican red, either has an ulterior motive for denying the obvious, or should be getting government subsidies for their mental disability.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.61  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.60    3 weeks ago

Democrats held power in much of the South until 2010. 

I guess by that time, enough Southern Democrats you claim switched parties had died off, finally allowing a Republican takeover.

I get tired of people who seem to think the South is nothing but a bunch of redneck, uneducated hick racists

Sure, there were and are racists in the South---and everywhere else, too.

I'm not stupid enough to believe that being a racist determines what political party you belong to.

 
 
 
Dismayed Patriot
3.1.62  Dismayed Patriot  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1.61    3 weeks ago
Democrats held power in much of the South until 2010

Nonsense. By 2000 Gore got none of the Southern States electoral college votes and even though Republicans didn't complete their total take over until 2010, they were very much in control long before that.

" Republicans gradually began doing better in presidential elections in the South starting in 1952 , Republicans did not finish taking over Southern politics at the nonpresidential level until the elections of November 2010." " Republicans control all 22 of the other legislative bodies in the former Confederacy , and all but one in a border state."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_South

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1.63  Texan1211  replied to  Dismayed Patriot @3.1.62    3 weeks ago
Republicans did not finish taking over Southern politics at the nonpresidential level until the elections of November 2010

jrSmiley_81_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_24_smiley_image.gif Precisely my point!

Democrats held power in much of the South until 2010. 
 
 
 
Kavika
4  Kavika     4 weeks ago

Great read on how Miami is investing millions in the fight against rising seas.

Just down the coast from Donald Trump's weekend retreat, the residents and businesses of south Florida are experiencing regular episodes of water in the streets. In the battle against rising seas, the region – which has more to lose than almost anywhere else in the world – is becoming ground zero.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20170403-miamis-fight-against-sea-level-rise

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Kavika @4    4 weeks ago

Maybe Miami should import some engineers from Holland.

afbeelding_dijkdeuvels_engels.jpg

As long as the Floridians remember that "Putting Your Finger in the Dyke" is NOT a sexual statement.

FingerinDyke.png

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.1    4 weeks ago

It is when you don't use the proper spelling...........DIKE.

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
4.1.2  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

What?

384

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.1.1    4 weeks ago

LOL.  I know.  That cartoon surprised me.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2  MUVA  replied to  Kavika @4    4 weeks ago

I've lived on the lynnhaven river for 30 years now our high water mark for a regular tide hasn't changed we have seen more street flooding in the  area when water backs up in the storm drains from coastal flooding.Behind my house the bottom from silting has risen about 2 feet in 30 years and behind my in laws house it is almost 4 feet higher than 1980 from building run off.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @4.2    4 weeks ago

I do hope your property is safe for now.  I sure don't want to see your home going downstream like so many I have seen on the news lately.

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.2  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.1    4 weeks ago

We are pretty high off the water the basement will get a little water sometimes today the tide is over the bulkhead I had to raise the boat up about 2 feet higher. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @4.2.2    4 weeks ago

Just stay safe ok?

 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.4  MUVA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.2.3    4 weeks ago

Thanks.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.2.5  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MUVA @4.2.4    4 weeks ago

I know we clash, but your safety and the safety of others here is of concern to me.

 
 
 
charger 383
4.2.6  charger 383  replied to  MUVA @4.2    4 weeks ago
I used to go out on fishing trips at Lynnhaven and Rudee Inlet years ago.   Went 2-3 times a year.  Always had fun.
 
 
 
MUVA
4.2.7  MUVA  replied to  charger 383 @4.2.6    3 weeks ago

My shop is just over the bridge from the head boats at what was called D and M it is now dockside.We were the second oldest Boston whaler dealer in the country where are showroom stood there is now a condo.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Kavika @4    4 weeks ago

Watch how fast Trump embraces climate change when his precious resort is threatened by it.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
4.3.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3    4 weeks ago
Watch how fast Trump embraces climate change when his precious resort is threatened by it.

I don't think he'll be concerned, nor will his kids or grandkids.    By the time they're 'threatened' by any rising ocean waters, they'll all be dead and buried (or cremated as the case may be).  

Now they might be concerned if a strong hurricane comes in, but then insurance will simply pay to fix it all up, so all will be good again.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.3.2  al Jizzerror  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @4.3    3 weeks ago
Watch how fast Trump embraces climate change when his precious resort is threatened by it.

He already has in Ireland.

Trump gets permission to build seawall at Irish golf course

PUBLISHED FRI, DEC 22 2017 8:02 AM EST
KEY POINTS
  • Course at Doonbeg in County Clare receives permission for two sea barriers
  • The original application highlighted global warming and rising seas
  • Permission comes after a much larger scheme was rejected
 
 
 
Ronin2
4.3.3  Ronin2  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.3.2    3 weeks ago

Tell me, is is the course paying for the sea barriers itself; or is it foisting the cost on the Irish tax payers?

If global warming is such a large concern why was the larger plan for sea barriers rejected by the Irish government?

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.3.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.3.2    3 weeks ago

I had forgotten all about that.

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5  Greg Jones    4 weeks ago

Sea level is only rising about a tenth of an inch a year. People can move gradually out of the water's way.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
5.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Greg Jones @5    4 weeks ago

Tell that to the tens (hundreds) of millions of people who will have to move. 

And storm surge is much higher than 1/10th of an inch.

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6  XDm9mm    4 weeks ago

And then of course there is this.  Simple evidence that Venice has flooded before and will do so again.   Of course, with "climate change" hysteria gripping some people, there is little that can be done to educate them that while we ALL agree there is climate change, and yes, our species does have an impact on it, we will never be able to stop much less reverse the climate change this space orb we call planet Earth from undergoing climate change.

Will Venice sink and why does the Italian city flood?
  • 13 Nov 2019, 20:22
  • Updated: 13 Nov 2019, 20:38
THE waterways of Venice attract millions of tourists from around the world every year - but rising floodwaters have overwhelmed the Italian city.

Here we explain why Venice has flooded, what defences there are, and if the city is sinking.

Venice has been struck by exceptionally high tides causing a flood.

Why does Venice flood?

Venice experiences a phenomenon "acqua alta" or "high water" due to exceptional tide peaks in the Adriatric Sea.

The tidal peaks reach their maximum level in the Venetian Lagoon, which runs around and through the city, causing flooding in the region.

The causes of the tidal peaks are down to a number of factors, including the movement and phase of the moon, wind strengths and direction as well as rain level and rising sea-levels.

The flooding levels vary across the city due to varying altitudes above sea level, plus heights of pavements and distance from channels.

Venice has declared a state of emergency following severe flooding in Italy's water-based city today.

Is Venice sinking?

According to LiveScience , the rise in sea-level isn't the only thing that has Venice's famous canals rising every year because the city is subsiding.

Previous studies had suggested the city's subsidence had stabilised but it has been claimed that the city is tilting to the east.

Scientists tracked the elevation of Venice and its surrounding lagoons over a ten year period and have said that on average, the city is sinking up to two millimetres every year.

It's thought the subsidence is due to plate tectonics as the Adriatic plate, on which Venice sits, is subducting beneath the Apennines Mountains and causing the city and its environs to drop slightly in elevation.

Venice has been hit by a series of increasingly severe floods in recent years.

How often does Venice flood?

Exceptionally high tides in Venice occurs once every four years, on average.

However minor flooding in the city happens around four times a year and usually within the winter months.

High water can sometimes last only for a few hours but it is dependent on which part of the island is hit by floodwaters.

In 2018 the waters reached a height of 156cm in October after flooding across Italy.

But this was exceeded in 2019 as it reached 187cm - the highest since the flood of 1966.

The city declared a state of emergency after a 1.8-metre flood devastated the tourist hotspot and killed at least two people.

The water has played havoc with the city's tourism industry

What defences are there?

During the 2018 floods, Venice Mayor Luigi Brugnaro said a series of underwater barriers that were being erected in the lagoon would have prevented the inundation.

According to Associated Press, Brugnaro said he had asked to talk with Premier Giuseppe Conte to underline the urgency of the project, nicknamed Moses, which would raise barriers when the tide reaches 43 inches.

Full completion and operation of the project is expected in 2022.

Residents and businesses typically reinforce their doors with metal or wooden panels to prevent water from entering the bottom floors, but photos on social media showed shop owners using water pumps this time to try to protect their goods.

The city installs gangways for pedestrians to use, but in the 2018 floods these had to be removed as the water exceeded the raised walkways.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
6.1  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  XDm9mm @6    4 weeks ago

Look we all know that Venice has always flooded, but they haven't flooded to this level. 

And here is a place never flooded before: 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50438041

and what about in America?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/09/11/us/midwest-flooding.html

Tell me, when do we start to worry?

 
 
 
XDm9mm
6.1.1  XDm9mm  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @6.1    4 weeks ago
Tell me, when do we start to worry?

You're allowed to worry about anything you desire.  That's your choice.  Simply don't try to include me in your worry and believe it's my responsibility to fix what can't be fixed.  I'll do what I can to lessen any additional damage me and mine cause, but that's about all I can do.  We can't actually reverse any damage already done.

Look we all know that Venice has always flooded, but they haven't flooded to this level. 

You should have read the article before you posted.  It most certainly has flooded not only to this level, but HIGHER!!   1966 to be exact.  187cm now as opposed to 194cm then.

Source:  http://www.venipedia.org/wiki/index.php?title=Flood_of_1966

 
 
 
†hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh
7  †hε pε⊕pレε'š ƒïšh    4 weeks ago

Capri pants and knickers for men will be making their debut in the Milan fashion show.

 
 
 
Tacos!
8  Tacos!    4 weeks ago

"The city that floats" doesn't seem very floaty.

 
 
 
lady in black
9  lady in black    4 weeks ago

I'm in no danger of flooding by either Lake Erie or the Niagara River, but the levels of both are high. Also the wind has been crazy around here lately...read this....

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/niagara-county/niagara-falls/wind-storm-moves-iron-scow-in-niagara-falls/

Wind storm moves iron scow in Niagara Falls

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  lady in black @9    3 weeks ago

One of the most incredible photos I once saw was when the Falls iced over.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.1  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1    3 weeks ago

In the daytime, or at night when they shine the coloured lights on it?  I grew up in Ontario about a 3/4 hour drive from the falls, and have seen it many times.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.2  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.1    3 weeks ago

The picture I saw was daytime.  I bet the colored lights made it an over the top wow factor.  I am going to try to find more picture.  Thanks for the heads up.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
9.1.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @9.1.2    3 weeks ago

Yet again a comment I posted, made sure it was posted, disappeared.  Anyway, here it is again - the frozen Niagara Falls lit up at night.

Frozen-Niagara-Falls-at-Night-16.jpg?res

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @9.1.3    3 weeks ago

All I can say is....WOW!  Thank you for posting that picture.  Nothing beats Mother Nature and lights.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
10  Thrawn 31    4 weeks ago

Climate change is a myth. The people of Venice just need to pretend that the oceans aren't rising. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11  al Jizzerror    4 weeks ago

Trump is a climate denier except when it affects his real estate.

Trump gets permission to build seawall at Irish golf course

PUBLISHED FRI, DEC 22 2017 8:02 AM EST
KEY POINTS
  • Course at Doonbeg in County Clare receives permission for two sea barriers
  • The original application highlighted global warming and rising seas
  • Permission comes after a much larger scheme was rejected
 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  al Jizzerror @11    3 weeks ago

His application should have been denied with a simple note....You can't claim global warming when you don't believe in it.

 
 
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