Say it loud, say it clear: Donald Trump needs to resign over his handling of the coronavirus - The Boston Globe

  

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Via:  larry-hampton  •  5 months ago  •  187 comments

By:   BostonGlobe. com

Say it loud, say it clear: Donald Trump needs to resign over his handling of the coronavirus - The Boston Globe
Politicians and editorial boards must demand accountability

S E E D E D   C O N T E N T



The United States has just over 4 percent of the world's population, but had about one-third of all global coronavirus cases and one-quarter of the fatalities, as of Friday.

This is a catastrophic failure that can be laid largely at the feet of President Trump. Editorial boards and politicians — both Democratic and Republican — should be calling on him to resign immediately.

It's not just the catalog of screw-ups that led us to this point — the playing down of the threat, the lack of testing, the spread of misinformation and lies, and the government-wide inattention to the issue. It's that Trump represents an ongoing danger to the health and well-being of the American people.

Consider, for example, the strange case of hydroxychloroquine, the anti-malarial drug that Trump began publicly touting several weeks ago as a potential treatment for the coronavirus. "What do you have to lose?" the president asked, about a drug that had not been approved by the FDA for that purpose. It turns out the answer is "your life."

We already know of at least one couple in Arizona who took a related drug in an effort to ward off the coronavirus after hearing the president speak positively about it. The husband died and his wife ended up in the hospital. A new study of Veterans Health Administration patients, not yet peer reviewed, has concluded that COVID-19 patients who take hydroxychloroquine are more likely to die than those who do not.

As remarkable as it is for the president to be suggesting the use of unproven drugs, Trump topped it on Thursday when he suggested that ultraviolet rays and cleaning disinfectants, injected into the body, should be examined as possible treatments for coronavirus. These comments led public health experts and companies like Lysol to remind Americans of something we regularly tell children: They shouldn't ingest cleaning products.

The Trump administration also allegedly forced out the official in charge of the federal agency responsible for developing a vaccine for the coronavirus after he says he raised concerns about money being directed toward hydroxychloroquine. Pushing aside qualified public officials and allowing politics to drive the development of a vaccine makes Trump not just an incompetent president, but a malevolent one.

There's more. Trump has egged on the smattering of protests around the country pressing for an end to social distancing orders, with calls on Twitter to "LIBERATE" states run by Democratic governors. These demands directly contradict the Trump White House's own guidance.

And his obsession with reopening the economy has likely been a catalyst for governors in red state America, such as Bill Lee in Tennessee, Henry McMaster in South Carolina, and Brian Kemp in Georgia, to weaken social distancing regulations. (Trump, who initially backed Kemp's bizarre and dangerous order allowing hair salons, tattoo parlors, gyms, and restaurants to open, has since backtracked and is now openly criticizing Kemp.)

Trump isn't even participating in the federal response to the coronavirus. He reportedly watches television most of the day, doesn't attend coronavirus task force meetings, and then uses his daily press briefing — for which he barely prepares — as a platform to self-aggrandize and lie.

All of this has crippled Trump's credibility: As one recent poll showed, less than a quarter of voters put a high level of trust in what Trump is saying about COVID-19.

When the president has lost the confidence of the American people and when his words and actions are doing far more harm than good, there can be little justification for him to stay in office.

Granted, we've never really encountered a situation like this before. In modern times, there were calls for Richard Nixon and Bill Clinton to resign. But those were for crimes in office, not incompetence. Mishandling a crisis has rarely been grounds for a president to resign. But we've never had a president like Trump, who is making the crisis worse simply by remaining in office.


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Larry Hampton
1  seeder  Larry Hampton    5 months ago

The moron-in-chief must go.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.1  Tessylo  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    5 months ago

He is a bumbling incompetent moron who never should have disassembled the pandemic response team that President Obama put in place and then ignored every single warning.

A lot of people died that didn't have to 

 
 
 
bugsy
1.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 months ago
He is a bumbling incompetent moron who never should have disassembled the pandemic response team that President Obama put in place and then ignored every single warning.

You keep saying this non truth but saying so many times does not make it true, no matter how many times the liberal repeats it.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.1.2  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @1.1.1    5 months ago

Actually ALL of those videos exist of Trump making ALL of those idiotic false statements about not only corona (5 minutes) but ranting about his enemies list and fake news (100 minutes). 

Trump is insane! It's obvious in his every word, gesture and facial expression. 

Trump is not fit to lead this country (neither is Pence for that matter). 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.1.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  cjcold @1.1.2    5 months ago

Even if all you say is true, until the Democrats can come up with somebody fit to challenge him, the status quo will remain the same. I do not think Joe Biden is that person.

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.4  Sparty On  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.1.3    5 months ago

Imagine how many gaffes we’d have to dissect if Biden was out there every day giving press conferences.    It would be endless.

Instead Biden is hiding in his basement, making carefully manicured comments once every week or so.

Telling, very telling.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
1.1.5  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.4    5 months ago

BDS...?

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  igknorantzrulz @1.1.5    5 months ago

Lol ... then grow a pair, put him out there every day without handlers or a prompter.   Gonna have to happen sooner or later.     He can’t hide in his basement forever.

I predict the next casualty will be the presidential debates.   Old shotgun Joe is going to use Covid19 as an excuse to beg off of those.     Take it to the bank.    

Biden has PSPS ...... Public Speaking Pussy Syndrome. 

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.7  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Tessylo @1.1    5 months ago

I always look forward to your posts. They cut straight thru the "Bull Chips." If only Trump Supporters could read?

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.8  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  bugsy @1.1.1    5 months ago

256 Bugsy: 

Do you honestly think Trump's suggestion to his medical team handling the COVID19 PANDEMIC that has killed nearly 51,000 America in less than three month, that they should "look into 'bleach" as a curative is helpful?

Was it smart for Trump to dismantle the Pandemic Alert Team, or, cut funding from the Center For Disease Control (CDC) that deals with epidemics?

Do you support Trump's pulling out of the World Health Organization during a World Health Crisis?

Do you consider it prudent, ethical that Trump has repeatedly touted the drug Hydroxychloroquine, a drug used to treat "Malaria" as a promising drug that may cure the pandemic, when his son, Donald, Jr, recently bought a lot of stock in the company that manufactures the drug? Is that what you expect from your president?

Do you agree with Trump's decision to send 17.8 TONS of much needed supplies for American Hospitals to send these, largely donated medical supplies to China because, Trump thought OVID19 was "FAKE," a fraud that Dems where trying to embarrass him via the MEDIA?

When there is a shortage of life-saving Ventilators is it OK with you that Trump sent 5000 to Russia, our ARCH ENEMY, while over 51250 Americans needing them DIED?

These are not "liberal talking points". These are facts.


 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.9  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.4    5 months ago

Biden is not out there every day making matters worse. There is no way to know, unless, like me, you are a psychic, what Biden will do!

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.1.10  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Sparty On @1.1.6    5 months ago

Speaking of "pussies," I have one that I am certain is a lot smarter than Donald J. Dumpster. She is a five year old cats.

You know, don't you, that Trump, by his own admission on ACCESS, bragged about "grabbing women by the pus*ey?

It started a hold new fade!256

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.11  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.10    5 months ago

Have you ever offered a free mustache and if so did it happen?You have probably never made a lude comment right? 

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.12  Sparty On  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.9    5 months ago
Biden is not out there every day

That’s because he’d be saying stupid shit all the time just like he’s been doing the last few months.

No crystal ball needed to predict that .....

 
 
 
Sparty On
1.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.10    5 months ago

No, I‘m sorry, you can not sniff my hair.

Better stick to sniffing your smart pussies hair .....

 
 
 
squiggy
1.1.14  squiggy  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.1.9    5 months ago

"There is no way to know, unless, like me, you are a psychic, what Biden will do!"

...and based on his misstatements, no reason to make him president.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.1.15  MUVA  replied to  squiggy @1.1.14    5 months ago

I have some psychic ability Biden will say more stupid shit. 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
1.2  Greg Jones  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    5 months ago

He needs to be fitted with an electronic muzzle with a speech filter in it, that will give him a shock if he says something stupid....but otherwise, millions of Americans agree that he is doing a great job defending American and searching for a remedy to this pandemic

 
 
 
sixpick
1.2.1  sixpick  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    5 months ago

I would like to ask the Left would they run out to help a man who had fallen on a highway before he was run over or would they criticize him for falling, when his purpose for being there in the first place was to save a child?

I would venture to say they may attempt to help him if it furthered their agendas and if they had already finished eating the pint of ice cream from the freezer, but during the meantime, let him eat asphalt and find out if the child had been properly indoctrinated before lending a hand.

 
 
 
Raven Wing
1.2.2  Raven Wing  replied to  sixpick @1.2.1    5 months ago

How different is that than a Republican wearing his MEGA hat getting out of their car, walking over to the fallen man and screaming at him to get up off his a$$ and get out of his way and stop blocking his way. Then getting back in his car and proceeding to blow his horn endlessly at the fallen man to hurry him up to move out of his way.

 
 
 
pat wilson
1.2.3  pat wilson  replied to  sixpick @1.2.1    5 months ago

Oh good grief !

And people say the left are overly emotional.

 
 
 
cjcold
1.2.4  cjcold  replied to  sixpick @1.2.1    5 months ago

Considering that I was 15 years a paramedic, never asked what party anybody was who risked their civilian lives to save others. It would be stupid.

Your insinuation that a democrat wouldn't help is ludicrous. Democrats are notorious for risking their lives helping those in need of help.

I thought that was why far right wingers hate them so much.

Other than making a lame attempt at negative innuendo on the "other" did you have a point?

 
 
 
sixpick
1.2.5  sixpick  replied to  cjcold @1.2.4    5 months ago

You're right cjcold.  I should not have generalized.  I realized it earlier, but when I saw extreme right wingers in your comment, I realized I wasn't talking about the general public, but the leadership.  Maybe we can say from both sides.  Now I'm a Democrat, but I haven't voted Democrat for quite a while, nor will I ever vote for another Democrat until the leadership moves away from what I consider extreme left wing politics.  I see it as actually being much worse than just politics.  I think the base who have taken over the Democrats are a novel pandemic in themselves or at least a concerted effort to destroy this country.

I'm beginning t see some of the most dedicated Democrats come to the same conclusion.  I can't put my finger on why they have become so obsessed with this movement.  I think they think the rest of the country will support them in this endeavor and I'm hoping they are wrong, at least for the sake of our children.

If you want to see what Socialism is, not just high taxes and lots of benefits from them when countries are able to accomplish this for some time, especially if they have some natural resource that produces the capital , although, even the most well thought out plans with the best intentions always comes to an end, eventually, then you're experiencing it now.

These Democrat governors are emancipated in their newfound powers.  They love the control they now seem to have over the people.  They love the word govern versus represent.  They are poor leaders with limited economic abilities.  They think the government has all the answers and all the money.  Power is their drug and they are relishing in it these days.  It's like a dream come true.  With a little more time they can train the people to be lazy, unmotivated to do their best to become all they can and cut the goose up into pieces until it is too late to change the course.

I don't think they want to destroy the country, only the pride and desire to work hard and expect to be rewarded for it.  They want the people to experience what the government can do for them long enough for them to become accustomed to it and they know they will increase their numbers for bigger government by doing so.  If the capital last long enough, they can gain complete control without much fear in losing it for awhile until the goose is dead and gone.

But of course they still have to contend with us, the Deplorables, the people who want to take a chance in life, who want to be able to succeed and face failure with determination to defeat it without the government nursery taking care of us.

Anyway, I apologize for such a general statement.  I didn't mean the average Democrat, who goes to work every day doing all kinds of jobs, some saving people like you have done.  I'm fully aware of paramedics as I have several in my family.  I totally respect anyone who puts his or her life on the line to help save others.  It's an honorable career, whether it's full time or not.

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.2.6  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Greg Jones @1.2    5 months ago

I BELIEVE THE LASTEST POLLS show Americans disapproving TURMP'S handling of OVID 19, stand at 72%.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.2.7  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.6    5 months ago

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Ed-NavDoc
1.2.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.6    5 months ago

Your first and biggest mistake is believing any political polls!

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
1.2.9  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.2.8    5 months ago

Makes one wonder why rump is so obsessed with them; and, has been since at least 2015.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.2.10  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Larry Hampton @1.2.9    5 months ago

I stopped believing in political polls many years ago. They are highly subjective to the whims of whoever commissions the pills, no matter whether right or left side of the spectrum. When you take into account the polls in 2016 that had HRC to win by a landslide, that was the real kicker.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.2.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.2.6    5 months ago

Haven't you heard.  His campaign manager is to blame for his low numbers.

 
 
 
MAGA
1.3  MAGA  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    5 months ago

Trump Pence 2020!  KAG!  

04-battling-la-600a-600x429.jpg See more Branco toons  HERE

 
 
 
cjcold
1.3.1  cjcold  replied to  MAGA @1.3    5 months ago

That anybody butt Trump could actually see him that way is a mystery to me.

I envision more of a Julius Caesar Act 3.

 
 
 
CB
1.3.2  CB   replied to  MAGA @1.3    5 months ago

Donald Trump. A legend in his and his supporters minds. Hey look, he is slim and 'blind' and apparently delusional.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    5 months ago

Just ain't gong to happen! Deal with it...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.4.1  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @1.4    5 months ago

Another psychic speaks. Wow, as one, I never knew there were so many of us here on thenewstalkers.com.

Perhaps, we might form a GROUP and bet on our visions of the future. That would be fun as people die world wide by the millions.

 
 
 
MUVA
1.4.2  MUVA  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.4.1    5 months ago

Irony is thy business you set a world record everytime you post man you are in a class all by yourself. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
1.4.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Eat The Press Do Not Read It @1.4.1    5 months ago

You can bet all you want. Me, I don't bet on losing propositions...

 
 
 
Eat The Press Do Not Read It
1.5  Eat The Press Do Not Read It  replied to  Larry Hampton @1    5 months ago

Amen, Brother Larry Hampton. I was just on me knees praying for relief from TRUMP'S SINS.  This post gave me the courage to stand up and shout, "Hell No, I will not put on clothes during my COVID "Shelter -n - Home" recluse.

Do you, agree? Trump did it, not me!

 
 
 
It Is ME
2  It Is ME    5 months ago

Say it loud, say it clear: Donald Trump needs to resign over his handling of the coronavirus

And what about ALL the other "Experts" that were leading ?

Should they resign too ?

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus for President !jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

Trump shoulda just Blown up a Country ! Worked for Dumbo ! jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1  bugsy  replied to  It Is ME @2    5 months ago
Should they resign too ?

What about Pelosi who told San Francisco in late February to come out and enjoy the Chinese New Year....or DeBlasio who told New Yorkers March 3 to ride the subway, tour the city, enjoy everything the city has to offer.

Should they resign too?

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  bugsy @2.1    5 months ago
What about Pelosi who told San Francisco in late February to come out and enjoy the Chinese New Year....or DeBlasio who told New Yorkers March 3 to ride the subway, tour the city, enjoy everything the city has to offer. Should they resign too?

Well ….. no ! They ALWAYS have the good of the country in their thoughts. Through SICKNESS and in ….. 

Awww whom I kidding jrSmiley_80_smiley_image.gif ...…. they have a "D" next to their name, so they're exempt.....from ANYTHING !

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2  Krishna  replied to  It Is ME @2    5 months ago

Trump shoulda just Blown up a Country ! Worked for Dumbo !   jrSmiley_32_smiley_image.gif

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It Is ME
2.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  Krishna @2.2    5 months ago

I know.…..right ?

Poor Little Libya.

But it was the GREATEST thing since sliced bread....wasn't it ! jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.3  It Is ME  replied to    5 months ago
Why do they expect less of people of color?

I don't know....but they just do ! jrSmiley_89_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.4  bugsy  replied to    5 months ago
Why do they expect less of people of color?

Because they think they are more easily controlled?

Too bad for them, many are waking up to that.

 
 
 
cjcold
2.2.5  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @2.2.4    5 months ago

Actually, far right wing fascists seem to be easier to control. Fox and the Heartland Institute have been manipulating sub 80 IQ fascists for decades.

 
 
 
bugsy
2.2.6  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @2.2.5    5 months ago
sub 80 IQ fascists for decades.

So are you saying most libs watch Fox?

Understand that more people with high school or less education voted for Hillary in 2016.

That fun fact, unfortunately, is playing out right before our eyes today.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.2.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.3    5 months ago

That has to be one of the stupidest comments so far.  Buh bye.  

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.8  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @2.2.7    5 months ago
That has to be one of the stupidest comments so far.

And you base your opinion on …..what ?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
2.2.9  igknorantzrulz  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.8    5 months ago

And you base your opinion on …..what ?

i'm with you on this.

I've seen you write far stupider comments.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
2.2.10  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  It Is ME @2.2.8    5 months ago

Feeeeeeelings

 
 
 
It Is ME
2.2.11  It Is ME  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @2.2.10    5 months ago

OR

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Sean Treacy
3  Sean Treacy    5 months ago

Right after Cuomo, DeBlasio etc....

 
 
 
Sparty On
4  Sparty On    5 months ago

The latest in a long string of nonsensical rationalizations to get rid of the person who beat their chosen one like a rented mule.

This tripe will inevitably fail miserably just like all those that came before.

 
 
 
lady in black
5  lady in black    5 months ago

He's a menace to America plain and simple

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1  bugsy  replied to  lady in black @5    5 months ago

Hey Lady in Black

You were asked several times yesterday to show your proof that President Trump touted Hydroxycloriquine Phosphate.

Why didn't you ever answer?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
5.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @5.1    5 months ago
President Trump has spiritedly backed hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, both in his regular  news briefings  and on his Twitter account. He has said the two drugs, when taken together to treat the coronavirus, could become "one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."

That may well be, eventually — but not right now.

The Food and Drug Administration   strongly warned   Friday against using hydroxychloroquine or a related compound, chloroquine, for treating or preventing COVID-19 without strict medical supervision in a hospital or as part of a clinical trial. The agency said its officials have not approved the anti-malaria drugs for that purpose — and that without close monitoring for side effects, they may lead to life-threatening complications.

https://www.boisestatepublicradio.org/post/fda-warns-against-wide-use-drugs-trump-hailed-game-changers#stream/0
 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

Let us all know when you figure out what "may" means, mmmkay?

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.3  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

You didn't answer the question, John, but we know you know you couldn't. Lets try again...

You were asked several times yesterday to show your proof that President Trump touted Hydroxycloriquine Phosphate.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.4  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

According to a report I heard on my local news, a test group of infected people were given the drug(s).  27% died where the ones who didn't get the drug(s) had an 11% mortality rate.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.5  Texan1211  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.4    5 months ago
According to a report I heard on my local news, a test group of infected people were given the drug(s).  27% died where the ones who didn't get the drug(s) had an 11% mortality rate.

And I suppose you think Trump was conducting the tests?

How does a test case result mean somehow that Trump touted the drug?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.6  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    5 months ago
Let us all know when you figure out what "may" means, mmmkay?

Trump on April 4th. 

So I don’t want to get them there.  I don’t want to get them there.  There’s a possibility — a possibility — and I say it: What do you have to lose?  I’ll say it again: What do you have to lose?  Take it.  I really think they should take it.  But it’s their choice and it’s their doctor’s choice, or the doctors in the hospital.  But hydroxychloroquine — try it, if you’d like. https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-briefing-19/

No 'may' in there Tex. 

The FDA knew that the 'side effects' of heart rhythm problems connected with hydroxychloroquine BEFORE COVID-19. 

Trump throughout his many 'briefings' has touted hydroxychloroquine and continues to falsely claim that the FDA's EUA authorizes it broad use. In fact, in the linked briefing, Dr. Hahn from the FDA lies about the EUA too. 

The briefings are a study in gaslighting. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.1.7  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Dulay @5.1.6    5 months ago
The briefings are a study in gaslighting.

!00%

 
 
 
Greg Jones
5.1.8  Greg Jones  replied to  Dulay @5.1.6    5 months ago
The FDA knew that the 'side effects' of heart rhythm problems connected with hydroxychloroquine BEFORE COVID-19. 

This drug has been prescribed and well tolerated by most patients for decades.

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.9  sandy-2021492  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.8    5 months ago

Yes, it has.  But there have been documented heart problems in patients being treated with HCQ for Covid-19.  Perhaps its a combination of the drug's known tendency to cause EKG changes with the virus's known tendency to cause heart damage.  Perhaps it's coincidence.  Perhaps it's because older Covid-19 patients, who are more likely to have both severe effects from the virus, and pre-existing heart conditions, are also more likely to be treated with HCQ.  We don't know.  But it's severe enough a problem that the FDA is now recommending that Covid-19 patients who are being treated with HCQ receive that treatment in a hospital setting.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @5.1.6    5 months ago

So now Trump didn't prescribe it for anyone, but you want to bitch about him because DOCTORS prescribed it for their patients????

BTW, many drugs have side effects.

And did Trump order a test case study of the drug?

Has anyone ever recovered from Covid-19 after taking the drug?

 
 
 
Release The Kraken
5.1.11  Release The Kraken  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    5 months ago
it's severe enough a problem that the FDA is now recommending that Covid-19 patients who are being treated with HCQ receive that treatment in a hospital setting.

That's a mistake. Costa Rica has had tremendous success treating patients who are infected early and they have the lowest death rate of covid patients in the world right now. They have a lot of experience with the drug as it's a country that has had malaria troubles.

Their approach is to keep the patient from developing severe illness by treating early and it's working very well. They aren't seeing the patients in the ICU.

It's a shame the medical community is participating in politics. Other countries like France, South Korea don't give a shit that trump said it might work, they just want to save lives. 

Meanwhile an unscientific partisan study in Virginia says......

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.13  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.10    5 months ago
So now Trump didn't prescribe it for anyone, but you want to bitch about him because DOCTORS prescribed it for their patients????

You asked for proof that Trump "touted" it.  You were provided with that proof.  He need not have prescribed it to have "touted" it.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.13    5 months ago

Sorry, I just can't get all worked up over it when clearly only doctors prescribe medicine. 

But you continue with the Trump bashing; after all it IS another day ending in a "y".

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.15  sandy-2021492  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    5 months ago

You're moving the goalposts, Tex.  You were provided with the evidence you requested.  It didn't suit your narrative.

Tough.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.16  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.15    5 months ago

Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!

Wrong!!

Please repost my post asking for that.

I'll sit and wait...……….and wait...…………………..and wait.

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.18  bugsy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.17    5 months ago

Honestly, I don't think the phosphate or the sulfate part has anything to do with the true discussion at hand.

The true discussion at hand is some dumb asses ate fish tank cleaner because they said they trusted Trump (even though it is well known now they actually were Trump haters). After looking at the woman's background and past statements, she probably gave her husband the tank cleaner to off him, figuring it was probably poisonous, obviously a fatal dose for him and a more minor dose for her.........and the probable notice on the package that said " not for human consumption".

The easy way out would be to blame Trump because the package had hydrochloriquine in it, knowing the media would repeat this claim ad nauseum.......she was right. She probably did not even see the phosphate part of it.

Even if she did see it, and the phosphate was not the lethal ingredient, something else was.

 
 
 
squiggy
5.1.19  squiggy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.17    5 months ago

In vitro results suggest HCQ can block the virus entering cells which sounds like early treatment more consistent with the Costa Rican model as opposed to the French observation of introduction with oxygen which sounds like a last gasp effort.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.20  Texan1211  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.17    5 months ago

Perhaps you thought you were replying to someone else.

I have said absolutely nothing about sulfate or phosphate.

I'm the one waiting on my post that shows me asking what you claimed.

 
 
 
MAGA
5.1.21  MAGA  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @5.1.4    5 months ago

And the people in that test were too far gone for the drugs in question to matter.  The treatment has to begin long before one needs to be on a ventilator.  

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.22  sandy-2021492  replied to  squiggy @5.1.19    5 months ago
In vitro

Not arguing that.  But in vitro doesn't always translate to in vivo, and lab studies need not worry about the health of the host's heart.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.23  Dulay  replied to  Greg Jones @5.1.8    5 months ago

Patients with Lupus, Arthritis and Malaria, NOT patients presenting with life threatening respiratory issues. Seriously, just stop. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.24  Dulay  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.9    5 months ago
But it's severe enough a problem that the FDA is now recommending that Covid-19 patients who are being treated with HCQ receive that treatment in a hospital setting.

The FDA's EUA specifically states that it is only authorized to be used in official trials or hospital setting on confirmed COVID-19 patients. 

 
 
 
squiggy
5.1.25  squiggy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.22    5 months ago

But - the difference needs to be reconciled.

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.26  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.10    5 months ago
So now Trump didn't prescribe it for anyone, but you want to bitch about him because DOCTORS prescribed it for their patients????

Where did I do that Tex? 

It's obvious from the quote that I posted that Trump did indeed tout the use of hydroxychloroquine, no 'may' about it.

BTW, many drugs have side effects.WTDF 

Not shit. Hardly revelatory. 

And did Trump order a test case study of the drug?

Really? Got a link to prove that Tex? 

Has anyone ever recovered from Covid-19 after taking the drug?

Are you asking me if every COVID-19 patient died after taking 'the drug' Tex? The answer is obvious, NO. However, THAT answer is irrelevant. 

Has anyone recovered BECAUSE they took 'the drug' Tex?

THAT'S a real question that needs to be answered and no one can answer that question because NO proper blind testing has been conducted to date. 

Another is whether the use of hydroxychloroquine on COVID-19 patients caused more harm than good. 

Oh and BTFW, ONE MORE TIME, the FDA's EUA does NOT authorize a doctor to prescribe 'the drug' to you unless and until you have been hospitalized and tested positive for COVID-19. 

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.27  sandy-2021492  replied to  squiggy @5.1.25    5 months ago
the difference needs to be reconciled.

Meaning?

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.28  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.14    5 months ago
Sorry, I just can't get all worked up over it when clearly only doctors prescribe medicine. 

The Advertiser in Chief said "But it’s their choice and it’s their doctor’s choice, or the doctors in the hospital. But hydroxychloroquine — try it, if you’d like." Yet the EUA doesn't authorize 'their doctors' to let them 'try it' whether they'd like it or not. 

But you continue with the Trump bashing; after all it IS another day ending in a "y".

Just as long as you and your fellow travelers continue to normalize Trump's galactic stupidity on every day ending in y. 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.29  Dulay  replied to  MAGA @5.1.21    5 months ago
And the people in that test were too far gone for the drugs in question to matter.  The treatment has to begin long before one needs to be on a ventilator.  

None of that was a 'test' Xx. That was and still is emergency treatment. There has been no 'test' for it's efficacy on COVID-19. 

Oh and BTW, there are no controlled trials going on right now so a patient has to be hospitalized prior to a doctor prescribing HCQ. It's NOT Tamiflu. 

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.1.30  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Dulay @5.1.28    5 months ago
galactic stupidity

Ha!  I can't wait to use that in a comment!!!  Do I need to pay a royalty? 

 
 
 
Dulay
5.1.31  Dulay  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.30    5 months ago
Do I need to pay a royalty? 

I hope not because I would owe quite a bit to someone else. 

 
 
 
cjcold
5.1.32  cjcold  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

Don't forget that Trump owns stock in the company that manufactures Hydroxychloroquine. 

Why wouldn't Trump make all the money he could on a fake cure? That has always been how he rolls. 

Shouldn't a president be for, rather than against, We the People?

 
 
 
squiggy
5.1.33  squiggy  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.27    5 months ago

Go back to 5.1.19 and splain why Costa Rica good, France bad.

 
 
 
Sparty On
5.1.35  Sparty On  replied to  Dean Moriarty @5.1.34    5 months ago

Yep, just one more inaccurate, hateful attack on Trump.    But what ya gonna do?

Haters gonna hate .........

 
 
 
sandy-2021492
5.1.36  sandy-2021492  replied to  squiggy @5.1.33    5 months ago

I don't know why.  I don't even know Costa Rica's treatment protocol.  All I read is an assertion - no links.  We don't know the differences in protocol, patient population, etc.

Too little information to compare.

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.37  igknorantzrulz  replied to  sandy-2021492 @5.1.36    5 months ago

Just WOW !

W.H.O. should declare Trump Defenderism a damn PANDEMIC,

never thought Trumstupid would/could be so frckn contagious,

but here again, Trumstupid sufferers suddenly don't know what "may' means, or really tough words like

'tout' mean.

.

That 'R" really does apparently stand for Re,

Tart to the taste,

Sweet,

to the Base 

 
 
 
bugsy
5.1.38  bugsy  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.37    5 months ago

tater chip

singin in the breeeeeze

barBQue

Heck yea!!!

 
 
 
MrFrost
5.1.39  MrFrost  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.30    5 months ago

Ha!  I can't wait to use that in a comment!!!  Do I need to pay a royalty? 

It's a great line from, "A Few Good Men".. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.40  igknorantzrulz  replied to  bugsy @5.1.38    5 months ago

do you wish to be made, if even possible at this point, to look sillier than you and your 'gang' have and do...

cause you probably don't wish my focus to be You.

just a thought, before Uwish to poke fun at that which is quite apparent, U, do not understand, or begin to comprehend.

As any Trumpp defender, after all this fck up has done, that continues to tow his line, is obviously not the brightest bulb in the flower garden salad du juor , 

that many seem to toss regularly, 

like cookies, but higher in fiber, thus 'regularly',

cause the optics of anyone at this point defending, rationalizing, and making excuse after excuse for the LYING CON ARTIST IN CHIEF, someone so dumb and corrupt we are left in disbelief, just leaves 

THINKING persons to be 

CRITICAL, of those who apparently lack Critical                                                                              Thinking

Skillsaws in half their reasoning disabiity, so its down to a quarter, yet no change when his fck ups are out of range for most to even comprehend at this juncture in a presidency that has been BEYOND FCKD UP, cause people unable to THINK,

just keep givin him the ole wink wink

.

Wake the FUCK UP TRUMspurz, 

he's gashing out your gutz as he rides you all home hard

and putz you all away wet on rainy daze and
Mondays', and people who defend ridiculousness

always get me downtown shopping, as i'm living the CORONA DREAM, and today, it's REIGNING,

So

I'm Living the Damn CORONA WET DREAM !!!

with extra LIME, so my body decomposes more rapidlyb as i fire out people i hire for going lower than they should, 

but, i'm game

over upending and have nuclear submarine depth capabilities,

so take where you won't like,

don't care

, as to me , all is fair  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
5.1.41  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.16    5 months ago
"Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!"

Were you referring to me?

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
5.1.42  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.41    5 months ago
"Buzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!"

could uv bin me

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.43  Texan1211  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.41    5 months ago
Were you referring to me?

Ha ha! 

Nope, it was to Sandy!

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
5.1.44  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  igknorantzrulz @5.1.40    5 months ago

that many seem to toss regularly, 

like cookies, but higher in fiber, thus 'regularly',

jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

Damn dude, where do you come up with this!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.45  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  JohnRussell @5.1.1    5 months ago

In one clinical trial, half were given the drug....27% died.  The other half were administered a placebo....11% died.  Some game changer you are bragging about Donnie Boy.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
5.1.46  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @5.1.41    5 months ago

Either that or he is an Avon salesman ringing your doorbell looking to sell you some products.

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6  JohnRussell    5 months ago

Donald Trump has never been fit for office. Never. For over three years many "non liberals" have refused or otherwise have been unwilling to take this obvious fact seriously. There has been a relatively small group of republicans, known as the "never Trumpers" who have worked rather tirelessly to warn the public about this man. 

Back in 2011 Donald Trump proclaimed himself the leader of the birther movement and went on television shows and other media demanding that president Obama produce his birth certificate. The state of Hawaii had previously,twice, officially announced that Obama's birth certificate was in the state archives and had been personally inspected by the head of the Hawaii Dept of Health. Trump was too stupid or too dishonest to know the case was closed. Either one of those two character flaws was disqualifying for him to serve in public office. 

Yet republicans, many of them previously or current birthers themselves, nominated him in 2016, despite a known history of him being incredibly dishonest, a raging narcissist, and someone with multiple accusations of sexual assault. 

Trump has never been fit for office. Of course he should resign tomorrow. It is tragic that it has taken a national epidemic of a deadly disease to get more Americans to realize that. 

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @6    5 months ago
Donald Trump has never been fit for office. Never. For over three years many "non liberals" have refused or otherwise have been unwilling to take this obvious fact seriously. There has been a relatively small group of republicans, known as the "never Trumpers" who have worked rather tirelessly to warn the public about this man. 

Back in 2011 Donald Trump proclaimed himself the leader of the birther movement and went on television shows and other media demanding that president Obama produce his birth certificate. The state of Hawaii had previously,twice, officially announced that Obama's birth certificate was in the state archives and had been personally inspected by the head of the Hawaii Dept of Health. Trump was too stupid or too dishonest to know the case was closed. Either one of those two character flaws was disqualifying for him to serve in public office. 

Yet republicans, many of them previously or current birthers themselves, nominated him in 2016, despite a known history of him being incredibly dishonest, a raging narcissist, and someone with multiple accusations of sexual assault. 

Trump has never been fit for office. Of course he should resign tomorrow. It is tragic that it has taken a national epidemic of a deadly disease to get more Americans to realize that. 

A summarization of the thousands of "I hate Trump" seeds over the past few years.

Nothing new from the left

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.1.1  JohnRussell  replied to  bugsy @6.1    5 months ago

Thanks for reposting my entire comment. 

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.2  bugsy  replied to  JohnRussell @6.1.1    5 months ago

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MAGA
6.1.3  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @6.1    5 months ago

Just more reason to re elect the President.  To show our true disdain of and contempt for those that bash him non stop everyday.  

 
 
 
cjcold
6.1.4  cjcold  replied to  bugsy @6.1    5 months ago
Nothing new from the left

And Trump still proves himself insane on a daily basis.

Back in the 40s and 50s "bugsy" meant insane. 

Some expressions never change.

 
 
 
bugsy
6.1.5  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @6.1.4    5 months ago
Back in the 40s and 50s "bugsy" meant insane. 

Didn't know...Don't care.

Today it means "making liberals look like fools".

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
6.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  cjcold @6.1.4    5 months ago

jrSmiley_28_smiley_image.gif   Love the comparison.

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6    5 months ago
 Of course he should resign tomorrow

Man, I just hate to be the one to burst your TDS-induced bubble, but you are going to wake up and be disappointed--yet again!

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.1  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2    5 months ago

Well thought out rebuttal. jrSmiley_123_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
6.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.1    5 months ago
Well thought out rebuttal.

Yeah, I had to think for a few minutes to figure out a  way to get it dumbed down enough to match the post I was responding to.

Thanks for recognizing all my hard work and effort!

Beats the shit out of writing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...…...see where this is going yet?

 
 
 
JohnRussell
6.2.3  JohnRussell  replied to  Texan1211 @6.2.2    5 months ago

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Texan1211
6.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  JohnRussell @6.2.3    5 months ago

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Sparty On
6.3  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @6    5 months ago

Thank god we finally got a non professional politician in office.    Hopefully he gets another 4 years.

We need more of them on both sides.

 
 
 
cjcold
6.3.1  cjcold  replied to  Sparty On @6.3    5 months ago

So we need more far right wing fascists that aren't capable of compromise?

 
 
 
Sparty On
6.3.2  Sparty On  replied to  cjcold @6.3.1    5 months ago

So we have right wing fascists in government?

Who?

 
 
 
bugsy
6.3.3  bugsy  replied to  Sparty On @6.3.2    5 months ago
Who?

They don't know. It must be in this week's talking points. No independent thought.

 
 
 
squiggy
7  squiggy    5 months ago

"There has been a relatively small group of republicans, known as the "never Trumpers"..."

RINO is the abbreviation you're looking for.

 
 
 
MAGA
7.1  MAGA  replied to  squiggy @7    5 months ago

Indeed! 

 
 
 
bugsy
8  bugsy    5 months ago

"We already know of at least one couple in Arizona who took a related drug in an effort to ward off the coronavirus after hearing the president speak positively about it. The husband died and his wife ended up in the hospital"

A many times debunked lie from the left. Are leftists saying there is no difference between hydroxychloroquine phosphate, which is a fish tank cleaner, and hydroxychloroquine sulfate, which is the medication for malaria and lupus? The sad thing for leftists is the president never spoke positively about fish tank cleaner. If any leftist can prove otherwise, please provide...

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @8    5 months ago
A many times debunked lie from the left.

And yet, they persist in telling it.

You know, for all of the intelligence the left professes to possess, you'd think they could at least get the simplest things right, like this lie they keep spreading.

I have a hard time taking people seriously who think the President told someone to inject disinfectant or to take some chemical used in aquariums.

And I find it a little hard to have any empathy for idiots who would take chemicals meant for aquariums.

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.1  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    5 months ago
You know, for all of the intelligence the left professes to possess

I remember during the 2016 election liberals here and elsewhere kept touting the degrees and how gender studies was such an important degree to hold, as many of them do, and how they were so much superior to the toothless southern rednecks with no degree.

However, when word came out that more high school or less educated people voted for Hillary, the touting came to a complete halt.

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  bugsy @8.1.1    5 months ago

Just like the fine folks who love, love, love to trot out the Trump quote stating he loves the uneducated. Like the Democratic base is not made up of some of the worst-educated people in America--and real stats prove it.

Always makes me wonder why the liberal elite wing of the party looks down on the ones in the party who actually can win them elections?

 
 
 
bugsy
8.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1.2    5 months ago
Always makes me wonder why the liberal elite wing of the party looks down on the ones

To maintain complete control of the plantation.

 
 
 
MAGA
8.1.4  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @8.1.3    5 months ago

Exactly!

 
 
 
cjcold
8.1.5  cjcold  replied to  Texan1211 @8.1    5 months ago

Trump said all of that. It's on video for christs sake!

 
 
 
Texan1211
8.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  cjcold @8.1.5    5 months ago

Sure. 

Only in some TDS-addled brains.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
9  Freedom Warrior    5 months ago

I DEMAND TRUMP BE RE-ELECTED!

 
 
 
bugsy
9.1  bugsy  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    5 months ago

Hear Hear!!!

 
 
 
bugsy
9.2  bugsy  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    5 months ago
I DEMAND TRUMP BE RE-ELECTED!

You know the best thing about this Freedom?

You don't have to write or seed thousands of futile articles to try and change people's minds to ensure that will happen.

 
 
 
squiggy
9.3  squiggy  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    5 months ago

We don't bother with elections anymore, you'll have to wear a funny pink hat and wail in the street.

 
 
 
Krishna
9.4  Krishna  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    5 months ago
I DEMAND TRUMP BE RE-ELECTED!

jrSmiley_10_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
9.4.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @9.4    5 months ago

People in Hell demand water too.

 
 
 
MAGA
9.5  MAGA  replied to  Freedom Warrior @9    5 months ago

I second that motion....

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10  Nerm_L    5 months ago

I agree, Trump should resign.  What the United States needs is a power vacuum.  The only way to change America is to decapitate the Federal government.

Let's be honest for once.  Everyone in politics has been hiding behind Donald Trump.  Trump has proven to be the perfect scapegoat for every occasion.  Any looney tune political idea can be made to appear mainstream by simply blaming Trump.  Congress can remain blameless.  The bureaucracy can remain blameless.  The private sector can remain blameless.  Trump is the root cause of every ill in the country.

What happens when Trump is gone?  Will Congress, the bureaucracy, and the private sector step up and accept responsibility and accountability for the ills in the country?  That doesn't seem likely since they are deliberately using Trump to avoid responsibility now.  There would be a political scramble to find another scapegoat to hide behind.

So, I agree.  Trump should either resign or be forced out of office in the midst of a crisis to create a power vacuum.  Then the public would see who is really harming the country.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10.1  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago

I am hoping that my governor runs for POTUS in the next election.  He has been a total rock star in all of this.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.1.1  Nerm_L  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @10.1    5 months ago
I am hoping that my governor runs for POTUS in the next election.  He has been a total rock star in all of this.

The encourage whoever that governor is to run.  If Trump is removed then Republicans will need a candidate.  And Democrats don't have a candidate at the moment.

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.2  Sparty On  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @10.1    5 months ago

Thank god my fruit-loop of a governor isn’t running for POTUS.     She makes Hillary look smart. 

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.3  MAGA  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.2    5 months ago

She’s running for VP nominee.  She thinks that the key to be noticed by democrat power brokers is to trample all over the constitutional rights of people who didn’t vote for her, a free preview of what they intend for us nationwide if they win in November.  

 
 
 
MAGA
10.1.4  MAGA  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.1    5 months ago

Probably taking about the complainer and whiner in Chief, “God didn’t do that” Cuomo.  

 
 
 
JohnRussell
10.1.5  JohnRussell  replied to  Sparty On @10.1.2    5 months ago
Thank god my fruit-loop of a governor isn’t running for POTUS.     She makes Hillary look smart

Who makes Trump look smart ? 

la-et-mn-dumb-dumber-to-review-20141114

 
 
 
Sparty On
10.1.6  Sparty On  replied to  JohnRussell @10.1.5    5 months ago

Wow so that means Hillary is even dumber since Trump was smart enough to beat her.    

Beat her like a red headed stepchild.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
10.1.7  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Nerm_L @10.1.1    5 months ago

It is too late in the game for this election plus he would rather stay governor and serve us though this mess.  I am hoping that he does consider running in the next one.

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
10.2  Freedom Warrior  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago

I could fix everything but there is no way I am ever going to put myself in that position.

It's bad enough to have to deal with all the left wingers I already encounter. 

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
10.3  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago

Thanks for the honesty.

An anarchist's wet-dream.

 
 
 
squiggy
10.3.1  squiggy  replied to  Larry Hampton @10.3    5 months ago

”An anarchist's wet-dream.“

Welcome aboard Trump Train.

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.3.2  Nerm_L  replied to  Larry Hampton @10.3    5 months ago
Thanks for the honesty. An anarchist's wet-dream.

What do you think Democrat's efforts to remove Trump from office are about?  What was Adam Schiff hoping to accomplish?

 
 
 
MAGA
10.3.3  MAGA  replied to  Larry Hampton @10.3    5 months ago

W.H.O. and our mainstream media seem to be snuggling up with China against President Trump. Political cartoon by A.F. Branco ©2020.

 
 
 
Larry Hampton
10.3.4  seeder  Larry Hampton  replied to  squiggy @10.3.1    5 months ago

So squiggy is that your idea of progress? To see everything torn down?

 
 
 
cjcold
10.4  cjcold  replied to  Nerm_L @10    5 months ago

I will have no problem with seeing Trump charged, convicted and imprisoned after this term. 

 
 
 
Nerm_L
10.4.1  Nerm_L  replied to  cjcold @10.4    5 months ago
I will have no problem with seeing Trump charged, convicted and imprisoned after this term. 

I won't either.  But that will shine a bright light on how government functions and how politics impedes government, so don't expect it to happen.

 
 
 
bugsy
10.4.2  bugsy  replied to  cjcold @10.4    5 months ago
Trump charged, convicted and imprisoned after this term. 

For what? And when you attempt to answer, please don't let your feelings get the best of you.

 
 
 
Tacos!
11  Tacos!    5 months ago
The United States has just over 4 percent of the world's population, but had about one-third of all global coronavirus cases and one-quarter of the fatalities, as of Friday.

Yeah, that looks bad. And I think we should look at all aspects of this to see what we could have done better, and could do to improve things going forward. But if we're head-hunting . . . 

USA population (328M) is 4.5% of the world's population (7.2B).

USA cases (946K) is 33% of the world's cases (2.87M).

USA deaths (53K) is 26% of the world's cases (202K).

Pause for a moment, and realize that our mortality rate is better than our infection rate. That's something positive, at least.

Now examine New York. Population of almost 20M (6.1% of US population). 282K cases (30% of US total). Almost 17K deaths (32% of US total). 

As long as we're firing politicians for the virus, it seems like maybe the governor of New York should resign. 

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @11    5 months ago

So based on your scenario, all this BS about blaming China or it's government is misguided. We should just be calling for Wang Xiaodong's to resign. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
11.1.1  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @11.1    5 months ago

Well you can do whatever you like with my “scenario.” I’m of the opinion that we don’t know enough to say whether or not any elected American should be resigning over the virus. I don’t know enough to say about China, either, but I do think they should be open to being investigated.

 
 
 
Dulay
11.1.2  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.1    5 months ago
I don’t know enough to say about China, either, but I do think they should be open to being investigated.

Why? What would happen next? If China as a nation can or should be held responsible for incompetent governance shouldn't the US be too? 

 
 
 
Tacos!
11.1.3  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @11.1.2    5 months ago

When did I say the US should or should not be held responsible for something? Why are you even talking about this?

 
 
 
bugsy
11.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    5 months ago
Why are you even talking about this?

Because he made it up in his ind that you said it, now wants to argue with you over it.

 
 
 
Tacos!
11.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  bugsy @11.1.4    5 months ago

Yeah, and then when I can't support a claim I never made, he'll have "won the argument."

 
 
 
Texan1211
11.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.3    5 months ago

Just another strawman argument.

Sigh.

Doesn't it get old that the same people do the same thing day after day after day?

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.1.7  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Tacos! @11.1.1    5 months ago
"I don’t know enough to say about China,"

Don't let that stop you - hardly anyone on this site knows enough about China, but it sure doesn't stop them from saying. 

 
 
 
igknorantzrulz
11.1.8  igknorantzrulz  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.7    5 months ago

all i know, is i get my finest

Paper Plates,

from China, which is More than many on the right seem to have sight

of

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
11.1.9  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  igknorantzrulz @11.1.8    5 months ago

From the comments of the far right that I've been reading here they probably think you can catch the virus from your paper plates, because they have been DELIBERATELY soaked in bat juice. 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
11.1.10  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @11.1.7    5 months ago

I trust you in the matters of anything China as you are there.  

"I can get a hell of a good look at a T-Bone steak by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take the butcher's word for it." (Tommy Boy)

 
 
 
Freedom Warrior
12  Freedom Warrior    5 months ago

I would recommend somebody take a look at the fucking numbers because right now it says that New York has completely fucked up their response and I that has nothing to do with President Trump and everything to do with New York and in particular New York City.

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1  Dulay  replied to  Freedom Warrior @12    5 months ago

So does that mean that Arnold Schwarzenegger was responsible for Swine Flu in 2009 and should have resigned? 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.1  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @12.1    5 months ago

Did Arnold tell everyone they were safe and to be in crowds?

You know, like the mayor of NYC did?

 
 
 
bugsy
12.1.2  bugsy  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.1    5 months ago

Notice the deafening silence when certain folks get their asses handed to them?

 
 
 
MAGA
12.1.3  MAGA  replied to  bugsy @12.1.2    5 months ago

Noted with pleasure...

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.4  Dulay  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.1    5 months ago
Did Arnold tell everyone they were safe and to be in crowds? You know, like the mayor of NYC did?

Arnold was a Governor, not a Mayor. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
12.1.5  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @12.1.4    5 months ago
Arnold was a Governor, not a Mayor. 

Is there a problem with using Arnie for comparison? You're the one who brought him up! And you did it in reply to a comment about

"New York and in particular New York City."
 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.6  Texan1211  replied to  Dulay @12.1.4    5 months ago
Arnold was a Governor, not a Mayor. 

Well, DUH!!!

No one said Arnold was a mayor.

Strawman at its finest!

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.7  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @12.1.5    5 months ago

You posted this right?

Did Arnold tell everyone they were safe and to be in crowds? You know, like the mayor of NYC did?

YOU compared a Governor with a Mayor, not I. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
12.1.8  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @12.1.7    5 months ago
You posted this right?

No, I did not. That was Tex @12.1.1. He was responding to you.

In this thread, which specifically referenced the city of New York, you were the very first person to introduce Arnold Schwarzenegger to the discussion @12.1. You did so in reply to the comment @12 where New York City was mentioned.

So you owe everyone an explanation as to why you did this before you start criticizing people for talking about him. You brought him into the discussion. It wasn't someone else.

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.9  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @12.1.8    5 months ago
You did so in reply to the comment @12 where New York City was mentioned.

Gee, New York was mentioned too. That's a STATE with a Governor right?  

So you owe everyone an explanation as to why you did this before you start criticizing people for talking about him.You brought him into the discussion. It wasn't someone else.

As they say in my hood, You ain't payin' my bills and you ain't givin me no pussy. I don't owe you or anyone here a fucking thing. 

 
 
 
Tacos!
12.1.10  Tacos!  replied to  Dulay @12.1.9    5 months ago
I don't owe you or anyone here a fucking thing. 

You do when you try to bully others and demand answers and make claims and it’s all over something you brought up. It’s not a law or anything. It’s just about character.

you ain't givin me no pussy

No need for it either. You clearly have all you need.

 
 
 
Dulay
12.1.11  Dulay  replied to  Tacos! @12.1.10    5 months ago
You do when you try to bully others

No I don't and no I didn't. 

and demand answers and make claims and it’s all over something you brought up.

I demanded nothing from you or anyone else. Just stop. 

It’s not a law or anything. It’s just about character.

You attempting to lecture me about character is hilarious. 

No need for it either. You clearly have all you need.

You clearly don't. 

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.12  Texan1211  replied to  Tacos! @12.1.10    5 months ago

It was a strawman argument. No one even mentioned Arnold until Dulay brought it up for some unknown reason.

And then wanted to make it like we started comparing a governor and mayor.

Heck, if it wasn't for strawmen, some would never have any legitimate argument.

And the righteous indignation act is so trite coming from someone engaging in strawmen arguments.

 
 
 
Sparty On
12.1.13  Sparty On  replied to  Texan1211 @12.1.12    5 months ago

Now Tex.   Using one of their go to logic fallacies against them.    Bad Tex!  

What were you thinking?

 
 
 
Texan1211
12.1.14  Texan1211  replied to  Sparty On @12.1.13    5 months ago
What were you thinking?

I'm an optimist, I still think there is some hope for almost everyone.

There are some notable exceptions, of course.

 
 
 
CB
14  CB     5 months ago

Let me enter this discussion with a question (I have not read the comment yet):

Who among us is prepared for Donald Trump to manage a forecast of coronavirus (COVID-20) outbreak this fall and into 2021?

This present poor foolish president can not even "dress out" our teams of healthcare professionals. It is as if these poor warriors are sent 'to a chemical war' without proper helmets, shields, or sufficient gas masks!

 
 
 
freepress
15  freepress    5 months ago

He clearly doesn't want the job and I keep going back to the interview a few years ago where he stated that he didn't really want the job and that his life was much better before. He is just got such an ego he won't leave, he is leaving everything out there on his VP, his daughter, his son-in-law and totally unqualified appointees. A very callous and calculated move to blame someone else. If his family had even one ounce of dignity or care for him they would get him an easy way out and cite health issues from his visit to Walter Reed that remain undisclosed and walk away with a little hope of laying low and moving on.

 
 
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