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Biden Wins Presidency, Ending Four Tumultuous Years Under Trump - The New York Times
Joseph R. Biden Jr. achieved victory offering a message of healing and unity. He will return to Washington facing a daunting set of crises.

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Joseph R. Biden Jr. achieved victory offering a message of healing and unity. He will return to Washington facing a daunting set of crises.

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By Jonathan Martin and Alexander Burns

  • Nov. 7, 2020, 11:31 a.m. ET

Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. was declared the 46th president of the United States on Saturday, promising to restore political normalcy and a spirit of national unity to confront raging health and economic crises, and making Donald J. Trump a one-term president after four years of tumult in the White House.

Mr. Biden's victory amounted to a repudiation of Mr. Trump by millions of voters exhausted with his divisive conduct and chaotic administration, and was delivered by an unlikely alliance of women, people of color, old and young voters and a sliver of disaffected Republicans. Mr. Trump is the first incumbent to lose re-election in more than a quarter-century.

The result also provided a history-making moment for Mr. Biden's running mate, Senator Kamala Harris of California, who will become the first woman to serve as vice president.

With his triumph, Mr. Biden, who turns 78 later this month, fulfilled his decades-long ambition in his third bid for the White House, becoming the oldest person elected president. A pillar of Washington who was first elected amid the Watergate scandal, and who prefers political consensus over combat, Mr. Biden will lead a nation and a Democratic Party that have become far more ideological since his arrival in the capital in 1973.

He offered a mainstream Democratic agenda, yet it was less his policy platform than his biography to which many voters gravitated. Seeking the nation's highest office a half-century after his first campaign, Mr. Biden — a candidate in the late autumn of his career — presented his life of setback and recovery to voters as a parable for a wounded country.

The race, which concluded after four tense days of vote-counting in a handful of battlegrounds, was a singular referendum on Mr. Trump in a way no president's re-election has been in modern times. He coveted the attention, and voters who either adored him or loathed him were eager to render judgment on his tenure. Americans rarely turn incumbent presidents out of office, but from the beginning to the end of the race, Mr. Biden made the president's character central to his campaign.

This unrelenting focus propelled Mr. Biden to victory in historically Democratic strongholds in the industrial Midwest , with Mr. Biden forging a coalition of suburbanites and big-city residents to claim at least threestates his party lost in 2016.

Yet even as they turned Mr. Trump out of office, voters sent a more uncertain message about the left-of-center platform Mr. Biden ran on as Democrats lost seats in the House and made only modest gains in the Senate. The divided judgment — a rare example of ticket splitting in partisan times — demonstrated that, for many voters, their disdain for the president was as personal as it was political.

Even in defeat, though, Mr. Trump demonstrated his enduring appeal to many white voters and his intense popularity in rural areas, underscoring the deep national divisions that Mr. Biden has vowed to heal.

The outcome of the race came into focus slowly as states and municipalities grappled with the legal and logistical challenges of voting in the midst of the coronavirus pandemic. With an enormous backlog of early and mail-in votes, some states reported their totals in a halting fashion that in the early hours of Wednesday painted a misleadingly rosy picture for Mr. Trump.

But as the big cities of the Midwest and West began to report their totals, the advantage in the race shifted the electoral map in Mr. Biden's favor. By Wednesday afternoon, the former vice president had rebuilt much of the so-called blue wall in the Midwest, reclaiming the historically Democratic battlegrounds of Wisconsin and Michigan that Mr. Trump carried four years ago. And on Saturday, with troves of ballots coming in from Philadelphia and Pittsburgh, he took back Pennsylvania as well.

While Mr. Biden stopped short of claiming victory as the week unfolded, he appeared several times in his home state, Delaware, to express confidence that he could win, while urging patience as the nation awaited the results. Even as he sought to claim something of an electoral mandate, noting that he had earned more in the popular vote than any other candidate in history, Mr. Biden struck a tone of reconciliation.

It would soon be time, he said, "to unite, to heal, to come together as a nation."

Image06bidenwins-trump-articleLarge.jpg?quality=75&auto=webp&disable=upscale President Trump was the first incumbent president to lose his re-election bid in more than a quarter-century.Credit...Doug Mills/The New York Times

In the days after the election, Mr. Biden and his party faced a barrage of attacks from Mr. Trump. The president falsely claimed in a middle-of-the-night appearance at the White House on Wednesday that he had won the race and that Democrats were conjuring fraudulent votes to undermine him, a theme he renewed on Thursday evening in grievance-filled remarks conjuring up, with no evidence, a conspiracy to steal votes from him.

The president's campaign aides adopted a tone of brash defiance as swing states fell to Mr. Biden, saying they would demand a recount in Wisconsin and take legal action to stop vote counting in Michigan and Pennsylvania.On Friday morning, Mr. Trump's campaign issued a statement vowing to press forward with legal challenges and declaring, despite the erosion of his leads in Pennsylvania and Georgia,"This election is not over."

Though Mr. Trump's ire had the potential to foment political divisions and even civil unrest, there was no indication that he could succeed with his seemingly improvisational legal strategy.

In the end, it was Pennsylvaniathat provided Mr. Biden the necessary 270th Electoral College vote to claim victory, with Mr. Biden leading by over four million votes nationwide.

Through it all, the coronavirus and its ravages on the country hung over the election and shaped the choice for voters. Facing an electorate already fatigued by his aberrant conduct, the president effectively sealed his defeat by minimizing a pandemic that has created simultaneous health and economic crises.

Beginning with the outbreak of the virus in the country at the start of the year, through his own diagnosis last month and up to the last hours of the election, he disregarded his medical advisers and public opinion even as over 230,000 people in the United States perished.

Mr. Biden, by contrast, sought to channel the dismay of those appalled by Mr. Trump's mismanagement of the pandemic. He offered himself as a safe harbor for a broad array of Americans, promising to guide the nation out of what he called the "dark winter" of the outbreak, rather than delivering a visionary message with bright ideological themes.

While the president ridiculed mask-wearing and insisted on continuing his large rallies, endangering his own staff members and supporters, Mr. Biden and Ms. Harris campaigned with caution, avoiding indoor events, insisting on social distancing and always wearing masks.

ImageSenator Kamala Harris of California will be the first woman to serve as vice president.Credit...Michelle V. Agins/The New York Times

Convinced that he could win back the industrial Northern states that swung to Mr. Trump four years ago, Mr. Biden focused his energy on Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania. Mr. Biden triumphed in those states on the strength of overwhelming support from women, who voted in large numbers to repudiate Mr. Trump despite his last-minute pleas to "suburban housewives," as he called them.

Many of the women who decided the president's fate were politically moderate college-educated suburbanites, who made their presence felt as an electoral force first in the 2018 midterm elections, when a historic wave of female candidates and voters served as the driving force behind the Democratic sweep to power in the House.

Even aside from the pandemic, the 2020 campaign unfolded against a backdrop of national tumult unequaled in recent history, including the House's vote to impeach the president less than a year ago, a national wave of protests over racial injustice last spring, spasms of civil unrest throughout the summer, the death of a Supreme Court justice in September and the hospitalization of Mr. Trump in October.

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Along the way, Mr. Trump played to his conservative base, seeking to divide the nation over race and cultural flash points. He encouraged those fears, and the underlying social divisions that fostered them. And for months he sought to sow doubt over the legitimacy of the political process.

Mr. Biden, in response, offered a message of healing that appealed to Americans from far left to center right. He made common cause by promising relief from the unceasing invective and dishonesty of Mr. Trump's presidency.

The former vice president also sought to demonstrate his differences with the president with his selection of Ms. Harris, 56, whose presence on the ticket as the daughter of Indian and Jamaican immigrants stood in stark contrast to Mr. Trump's relentless scapegoating of migrants and members of racial-minority groups.

Mr. Biden will be only the second Catholic to attain the presidency, along with John F. Kennedy.

ImageMr. Biden's election represented the culmination of nearly four years of activism in opposition to Mr. Trump.Credit...Kenny Holston for The New York Times

In an era when political differences have metastasized into tribal warfare, at least 74 million voters turned to a figure who has become known as the eulogist in chief for his empathy and friendships with Republicans and Democrats alike.

In a sign of how much Mr. Trump alienated traditional Republicans, a number of prominent members of the party endorsed Mr. Biden's candidacy, including Cindy McCain, the widow of former Senator John McCain; the party's other two presidential nominees this century, George W. Bush and Mitt Romney, declined to endorse Mr. Trump.

Yet for all his lofty language about uniting the country, Mr. Biden was a halting candidate who ran a cautious campaign, determined to ensure that the election became a referendum on Mr. Trump. The former vice president fully returned to the campaign trail only around Labor Day, and for weeks he limited his appearances to one state every other day or so. He went west of the Central time zone just once during the general election.

As he prepares to take the oath, he will return to Washington confronting a daunting set of crises. Mr. Biden will be pressed to swiftly secure and distribute a safe vaccine for the coronavirus, revive an economy that may be in even more dire shape in January than it is now, and address racial justice and policing issues that this year prompted some of the largest protests in American history.

And he will do so with a Congress that is far more polarized than the Senate he left over a decade ago, with many Republicans having embraced Mr. Trump's nativist brand of populism and Democrats increasingly responsive to an energized left. If Mr. Biden cannot bridge that divide as president and elicit some cooperation from the G.O.P., he will face immense pressure from his party's progressive wing to abandon conciliation for a posture of combat.

Mr. Biden has held out hope about working with Republican lawmakers while declining to support his party's most ambitious goals, like single-payer health care and the Green New Deal; he has resisted structural changes such as adding justices to the Supreme Court.

This irked his party's base but made it difficult for Republicans, from Mr. Trump down the ballot, to portray him as an extremist. Mr. Biden was largely absent from the appeals of G.O.P. candidates, who instead used their advertising to insist that the Democratic Party would be in the hands of more polarizing figures on the left such as Senator Bernie Sanders.

Unlike the last two Democrats who defeated incumbents after voters tired of Republican leadership, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, Mr. Biden will not arrive in the capital as a youthful outsider. Instead, he will fill out a Democratic leadership triumvirate, which includes Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Chuck Schumer, of lawmakers who are 70 or older.

Mr. Biden alluded to himself during the campaign as a transitional figure who would bring the country out of a crisis and then make way for a new generation. But he has privately rejected suggestions that he commit to serving just a single term, viewing that as an instant guarantee of lame-duck status.

ImageAs the big cities of the Midwest and West began to report their totals, places like Detroit began to shift the balance of the electoral map in Mr. Biden's favor.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

One of the most significant tests of Mr. Biden's presidency will be in how he navigates the widening divisions in his party.

He may enjoy a honeymoon, though, because of both the scale of the problems he is grappling with and the president he defeated.

This election represented the culmination of nearly four years of activism organized around opposing Mr. Trump, a movement that began with the Women's March the day after his inauguration. Indeed, Mr. Biden's election appeared less the unique achievement of a political standard-bearer than the apex of a political wave touched off by the 2016 election — one that Mr. Biden rode more than he directed it.

But Mr. Trump's job approval rating never hit 50 percent and, when the coronavirus spread nationwide and Mr. Biden effectively claimed the Democratic nomination in March, the president's hopes of running with a booming economy and against a far-left opponent evaporated at once.

Still, many Democrats were nervous and some Republicans were defiantly optimistic going into the election, both still gripped by Mr. Trump's shocker four years ago. And well into the night Tuesday, it seemed as if the president might be able to do it again. But four days later, after a year of trial in America and four turbulent years of the Trump administration, victory was in hand for Mr. Biden.

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lady in black
1  lady in black    3 weeks ago

Congratulations President Elect Joe Biden and Vice President Elect Kamala Harris

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Orange conman....

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Trout Giggles
1.1  Trout Giggles  replied to  lady in black @1    2 weeks ago

I would love to see Joe Biden tell him that. Even better, Senator Harris

 
 
 
MrFrost
2  MrFrost    3 weeks ago

Democracy has prevailed in putting down fascism. 

Trumps time in office was a disaster and had he not been voted out of office, I am not entirely sure the USA would have survived the next 4 years. From his covid response to his constant attacks on Americans, including Gold Star families while praising dictators, there was nothing good about the trump admin. God may have put trump in the WH, but if that is true, God has now removed him.  

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1  devangelical  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 weeks ago

you can bet thumpers are getting the god is punishing america meme dusted off and polished up as we speak.

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.1  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @2.1    3 weeks ago

Ever seen/heard of Paula White, his spiritual advisor?

Here's a prayer for tRump's victory recently from that whackjob.  

She's so much better with Eminem in the mix.

 
 
 
Texan1211
2.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @2.1    3 weeks ago

Who do you define as "thumpers"?

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.3  devangelical  replied to  Tessylo @2.1.1    3 weeks ago

be-bah-duh, be-bahduh, woop, woop, send cash, be-bah-duh, woop, be-bah-duh ...

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
2.1.4  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  devangelical @2.1.3    3 weeks ago

To everyone on top, I know you are all happy, but this is not in the spirit of the article. 

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.5  MUVA  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

It is the spirit of some on the left let them gloat when the reality of grid lock hits the gloating will stop.

 
 
 
devangelical
2.1.6  devangelical  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.4    3 weeks ago

oh come on, the TDS bullshit was thrown in our faces for 4 years. 12 years of hyper partisan crap from the right is not equal to a half day of crowing by biden supporters. no need to show charity to those that don't know what the word means.

 
 
 
MUVA
2.1.7  MUVA  replied to  devangelical @2.1.6    3 weeks ago

Your comment falls under the give me a fucking break. [deleted]

 
 
 
bugsy
2.1.8  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @2.1.6    3 weeks ago
the TDS bullshit was thrown in our faces for 4 years

You are right. It has. The left spent the last 4 years not accepting a duly elected president.

The left spent the last 4 years demeaning conservatives, censoring us, calling us names, etc, etc

I don't like payback, but unfortunately, I see some coming to you and your friends.

The entire Biden presidency will be lame duck.

 
 
 
Ronin2
2.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  bugsy @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

"Impeach them both now!" Don't bother waiting!

Doesn't matter what for- we can make up whatever bullshit we feel like! The Democrats have done so for the last 4 plus years.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.1.10  Split Personality  replied to  bugsy @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

You missed the comment about the last 12 years of right wing crap?

Is Mitch  too stupid to not realize that what goes around comes around?

Now we will have to see if there are enough old timers like Biden left to build any kind of coalition

willing to compromise like the old days.

The left spent the last 4 years demeaning conservatives, censoring us, calling us names, etc, etc

Oh FFS and the previous 8 years magically disappeared from your memory?  Not buying that.

I don't like payback, but unfortunately, I see some coming to you and your friends. The entire Biden presidency will be lame duck.

If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.11  CB   replied to  bugsy @2.1.8    2 weeks ago

Well, if we all can't be free, then we can all 'rot' together!

Song for The Day!

Donny Hathaway - Someday We'll All Be Free

Lyrics
Hang onto the world as it spins around Just don't let the spin get you down Things are moving fast Hold on tight and you will last Keep your self-respect, you're man, the pride
Get yourself in gear, keep your stride Never mind your fears Brighter days will soon be here Take it from me someday, we'll all be free, yeah
Keep on walking tall, hold your head up high And lay your dreams right up to the sky Sing your greatest song And you'll keep, going, going on
Take it from me someday, we'll all be free, yeah Hey, just wait and see someday we'll all be free, yeah
Take it from me, someday we'll all be free It won't be long, take it from me someday we'll all be free
Take it from me, take it from me, take it from me

For non-commercial use only. Data From: Musixmatch

The angst in this song is undeniable. We've all felt it. As free as we are, we remain openly 'captured' and bottled by the selfish ambitions and drives of others around us for centuries. 

 
 
 
MAGA
2.1.12  MAGA  replied to  devangelical @2.1.6    2 weeks ago

Well you all better be sure to cancel the public inauguration and make us all watch it on TV instead to avoid being hypocrites and having a super spreader event.  Because if they have a big public celebration and Large indoor inaugural balls that evening then we will simply ignore anything Biden has to say of China virus.

 
 
 
CB
2.1.13  CB   replied to  MAGA @2.1.12    2 weeks ago

Biden has already 'erected' a select panel on the Trump-Coronavirus fiasco epic failure. Don't you worry that he won't follow its recommendations. We know Joe - that his not 'a Donald!'

 
 
 
Tessylo
2.1.14  Tessylo  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @2.1.4    2 weeks ago

I'm ecstatic.  I've earned the right to gloat.

 
 
 
Krishna
2.2  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 weeks ago
God may have put trump in the WH,

Well, I don't think we should blame him for that!

Everyone makes mistakes from time to time.

(And after all, he's only human!)

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @2    3 weeks ago
Trumps time in office was a disaster

How so? Just what happened that was a disaster?

 
 
 
devangelical
2.3.1  devangelical  replied to  arkpdx @2.3    3 weeks ago

230K dead americans

20+ million unemployed

wrecked the middle class

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3.2  arkpdx  replied to  devangelical @2.3.1    3 weeks ago
230K dead americans

20+ million unemployed

wrecked the middle class

All because of the china virus. Thing prior to it were stupendous. Just image how great things would have been if not for the Chinese and their damned disease. 

Are you going to blame him for the hurricanes and the wildfires too. How about all the people that died from the flu. Are traffic deaths his fault?

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.3.3  MrFrost  replied to  arkpdx @2.3    3 weeks ago

How so? Just what happened that was a disaster?

Are you serious?

230k dead, UE rate doubled, global standing in the garbage, allies hate us, lost 4 million jobs, (first president in 100 years to lose jobs). 150 million spent on golf, that taxpayers paid for. Added 8 trillion to the debt in 4 years, (twice as much as Obama did). 

That's a list that could go on for DAYS. 

 
 
 
1stwarrior
2.3.4  1stwarrior  replied to  devangelical @2.3.1    3 weeks ago

There is the official unemployment rate from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which was 7.9% as of September. That equates to about  12.6 million people

 
 
 
arkpdx
2.3.5  arkpdx  replied to  MrFrost @2.3.3    3 weeks ago

How much of that was the result of the china virus?

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.6  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.2    3 weeks ago

Things prior to it were an over heating, unsustainable and predictable mess with little to no interest rates.

Congratulations for failing economics.

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.7  Split Personality  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.4    3 weeks ago

and the prediction for the coming report was dismal before the election was called.

Another "accomplishment" for Trump !

The Highest employment ever

followed by the lowest employment numbers ever.

The highest Market performance ever

followed by the lowest Market performance ever...

Is that really the way you want the country run?

Does that REALLY  help YOUR people???

Don't think so....

 
 
 
Split Personality
2.3.8  Split Personality  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.5    3 weeks ago

How did Ebola or the Swine Flu effect the debt.

I will wait for your links...

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
2.3.9  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @2.3.3    2 weeks ago

Weren't jobs also lost during the first depression?

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.3.10  MrFrost  replied to  arkpdx @2.3.5    2 weeks ago

How much of that was the result of the china virus?

Was it the "China Virus" that forced donny to golf constantly? Remember, Donny knew on or before Feb. 5th that the TrumpVirus was 5x as deadly as the flu, it was airborne and it was highly contagious. How do we know that? Because he told bob woodward and he recorded it. 

800800800

 
 
 
MAGA
2.3.11  MAGA  replied to  1stwarrior @2.3.4    2 weeks ago

It’s down to 6.9% as of Friday.  

 
 
 
MrFrost
2.3.12  MrFrost  replied to  MAGA @2.3.11    2 weeks ago

It was 4.7% when trump took office. With a high of 14.7%. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
2.3.13  Trout Giggles  replied to  MrFrost @2.3.12    2 weeks ago

Even with my poor math skills I can see that's in the minus column

 
 
 
devangelical
3  devangelical    3 weeks ago

it's important to note that 4 years ago trump claimed a landslide victory with 306 electoral votes, the expected total for biden by the end of the count, and trump didn't win the popular vote.

 
 
 
Texan1211
3.1  Texan1211  replied to  devangelical @3    3 weeks ago

why is it important?

Does it change anything that has happened?

 
 
 
Krishna
3.1.1  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 weeks ago
why is it important? Does it change anything that has happened?

Od course not.

Nothing to see here folks....Biden's policies will be exactly the same as Trump's!

(This election is of no real importance-- after  all it changed nothing!)

[Do I really need to add the /sarc tag here???]

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.2  MrFrost  replied to  Texan1211 @3.1    3 weeks ago
why is it important?

Ask Donny, he's been crying about it for 4 years, even spent 40 million tax payer dollars to try and prove that 3 million people voted illegally, (it failed to find any). 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.1.3  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.2    2 weeks ago

That is why 8 of his bs lawsuits have been thrown out already....no proof.  Trump claims he knows there was fraud but there is an old saying.  "It is not what you know.  It is what you can prove in court."  But in his case, he neither knows or can prove it.

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.1.4  MrFrost  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.1.3    2 weeks ago

That is why 8 of his bs lawsuits have been thrown out already....no proof.  Trump claims he knows there was fraud but there is an old saying.  "It is not what you know.  It is what you can prove in court."  But in his case, he neither knows or can prove it.

True. But over at fox news, the posters are insisting that there was wide spread fraud. Their proof? 

"Trump said there was."

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.5  Bob Nelson  replied to  MrFrost @3.1.4    2 weeks ago

This is my eternal debate with TiG. 

"Knowledge" is information of whose exactitude we are sure. (That's the dictionary.) Since we are sometimes sure of something that turns out to be wrong... "'knowledge" may be wrong.

Trumpsters know the election was rigged. 

 
 
 
TᵢG
3.1.6  TᵢG  replied to  Bob Nelson @3.1.5    2 weeks ago
Trumpsters know the election was rigged. 

They (well probably a minority at this point) are convinced of this.  It is (unfortunately) part of their private knowledge and is true for them.  That does not make it universally true and is thus not knowledge in the conventional usage of the word. 

If one 'knows' that Unicorns exist does that mean they actually do exist in general reality?

Trump (maybe) 'knows' that he won the election.   I wonder what being escorted out by the Secret Service will do to that 'knowledge'.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
3.1.7  Bob Nelson  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

Knowing stuff that is evidentially untrue is a source of danger of violence. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.1.8  Trout Giggles  replied to  TᵢG @3.1.6    2 weeks ago

It's not knowledge, it's a feeling. He says he knows but what he's really expressing is he feels there was wide spread fraud. Otherwise, the truth is just too painful to bear

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4  Ed-NavDoc    3 weeks ago

I did not vote for Biden and did not want him as president, but the will of the people has spoken and for better or worse Joe Biden will lead this country fir the next four years and I accept that. I have the utmost respect for the office of the President of The United States. I may not care for the man sitting in said office, but I will give the benefit of doubt for at least the first 6 months and see what happens.

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1  bugsy  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    3 weeks ago
and I accept that

So will I. What you will NOT see is republicans burning and looting and destroying property, in large measures, just because we are not fans of the person in the White House.

That seems to be most of the democrat MO.

 
 
 
devangelical
4.1.1  devangelical  replied to  bugsy @4.1    3 weeks ago
you will NOT see is republicans burning and looting and destroying property, in large measures

you mean from now on, right?

 
 
 
bugsy
4.1.2  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    3 weeks ago
you mean from now on, right?

Show us where in the past 4 years republicans burned, looted, robbed and assaulted people just because they did not like the person they were victimizing, and that person had different opinions than them.

BTW...this should frazzle you. Even if Trump loses all of his court fights, he is still your president for 10 more weeks.

Bet that really gets your goat, huh?

I guess the next question is how long will it be before "I slept with (fill in the blank)" Harris offs Biden so she can take his spot. Probably taking some cues from Hillary.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.3  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @4.1.2    3 weeks ago
Show us where in the past 4 years republicans burned, looted, robbed and assaulted people just because they did not like the person they were victimizing, and that person had different opinions than them.

How about murdered?

Neo-Nazi Who Killed Charlottesville Protester Is Sentenced To Life In Prison

Or Bomber?

Cesar Sayoc, who sent pipe bombs to prominent Democrats, sentenced to 20 years

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bugsy
4.1.4  bugsy  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.3    3 weeks ago

So you are trying to justify the hundreds of millions of dollars of lost (stolen, burned and looted) in property and countess lives destroyed to one guy who killed someone and another who sent fake bombs to others?

You failed.

Most liberals absolutely believe that all of that damage is justified, and as long as BLM and ANTIFA  are recognized by the left, they will continue to do so, even though Joe might be president.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.5  Ozzwald  replied to  bugsy @4.1.4    3 weeks ago
So you are trying to justify the hundreds of millions of dollars of lost (stolen, burned and looted) in property

Money is more important to you than human life, understood.....

Protesters in Portland target a city commissioner's home, set fire to city hall

 
 
 
Ozzwald
4.1.6  Ozzwald  replied to  Ozzwald @4.1.5    3 weeks ago
Protesters in Portland target a city commissioner's home, set fire to city hall

Ahhh, crap.  Link was going to different comment.  Selected wrong browser tab....please disregard link.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.1.7  Krishna  replied to  bugsy @4.1    3 weeks ago
What you will NOT see is republicans burning and looting and destroying property,

Yet...

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @4.1.7    3 weeks ago

"Yet..."

Straw man?

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.9  Ronin2  replied to  devangelical @4.1.1    2 weeks ago

Stop equating far left Brown Shirts with Republicans. Antifa and BLM are your assholes.

 
 
 
JBB
4.1.10  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Hitler's brown shirts were rightwing fascists!

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
4.1.11  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Krishna @4.1.7    2 weeks ago

Why not?  Are they on a coffee break?  They have had their fair share so far.  What do people think his not so subtle message to the Proud Boys "Stand back, but stand by." meant.  He was basically firing up his attack dogs to avenge him as if he were a slighted maiden if he should lose.

 
 
 
MrFrost
4.1.12  MrFrost  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago
Stop equating far left Brown Shirts with Republicans. Antifa and BLM are your assholes.

Looks like this is a teachable moment.

Fascism   ( / ˈ f æ ʃ ɪ z əm / ) is a form of   far-right ,   authoritarian   ultranationalism [1] [2]   characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition and strong regimentation of society and of the economy [3]   which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. [4]   The first fascist movements   emerged in Italy   during   World War I , before   spreading to other European countries . [4]   Opposed to  liberalism Marxism , and  anarchism , fascism is placed on the far right within the traditional  left–right spectrum . [4] [5] [6]

Fascists saw   World War I   as a   revolution   that brought massive changes to the nature of war, society, the state, and technology. The advent of   total war   and the total mass mobilization of society had broken down the distinction between civilians and combatants. A "military citizenship" arose in which all citizens were involved with the military in some manner during the war. [7] [8]   The war had resulted in the rise of a powerful state capable of mobilizing millions of people to serve on the front lines and providing economic production and logistics to support them, as well as having unprecedented authority to intervene in the lives of citizens. [7] [8]

Fascists believe that liberal democracy is obsolete and regard the complete mobilization of society under a  totalitarian   one-party state  as necessary to prepare a nation for armed conflict and to respond effectively to economic difficulties. [9]   Such a state is led by a strong leader—such as a   dictator   and a   martial   government composed of the members of the governing fascist party—to forge national unity and maintain a stable and orderly society. [9]   Fascism rejects assertions that violence is automatically negative in nature and views political violence, war, and   imperialism   as means that can achieve national rejuvenation. [10] [11]   Fascists advocate a   mixed economy , with the principal goal of achieving   autarky   (national economic self-sufficiency) through   protectionist   and   interventionist   economic policies. [12]

Since the end of   World War II   in 1945, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is instead now usually used   pejoratively   by political opponents. The descriptions   neo-fascist   or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideologies similar to, or rooted in, 20th-century fascist movements. [4] [13]

You're welcome. 

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.13  Ronin2  replied to  JBB @4.1.10    2 weeks ago

The Nazis were (and are) Socialists- learn some damn history!

  1. Everyone must work.
  2. Abolition of unearned income - "no rent-slavery".
  3. Nationalisation of industry
  4. Divison of profits
  5. Extension of old age welfare.

And from the current Nazis in the US.

Our second primary goal is to achieve Social Justice for the White Working Class. Of course, we have many other issues of concern, such as a true healthy environment, a “National Health Care System” for our Folk, intelligence-based Free Education, as well as Free Trade-Schooling for those inclined… NS believe that the STATE should be in SERVICE to the PEOPLE – not, as it is unfortunately done today – where the people are nothing more than WAGE-SLAVES, TAX-COWS, and CANNON-FODDER to that 3% of the population that control 85% of America’s wealth. This current, corrupt Judeo-Capitalist system is nothing more than a plutocracy of the rich…

They really sound like right wing capitalists. jrSmiley_88_smiley_image.gif

Being anti Communist/Marxist doesn't make them any less socialist.

 
 
 
Ronin2
4.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @4.1.12    2 weeks ago

Sorry, you can't dump your socialist assholes on conservatives. We already have enough of our own.

 
 
 
JBB
4.1.15  JBB  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.13    2 weeks ago

No, Nazis were fascists. You learn history!

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.16  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.8    2 weeks ago

When will one of y'all learn the proper use of the term strawman? 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.1.17  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Dulay @4.1.16    2 weeks ago

If you had noticed, I put a question mark at the end because I was not sure about that particular comment I was responding to. Next time you want to be sarcastic and to denigrate somebody else's comment, carefully read the comment and do the courtesy of tagging it as sarcasm at the end.

 
 
 
Dulay
4.1.18  Dulay  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.1.17    2 weeks ago
If you had noticed, I put a question mark at the end because I was not sure about that particular comment I was responding to.

Oh I did notice that you used the Fox obfuscation question mark thingy. 

Next time you want to be sarcastic and to denigrate somebody else's comment, carefully read the comment and do the courtesy of tagging it as sarcasm at the end.

I wasn't being sarcastic or denigrating. If YOU had noticed, I put a question mark at the end of my comment too...

One would think that if you felt you HAD used the term properly, you would have made that argument instead of blathering about question marks and whining. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.19  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.9    2 weeks ago

Would you please do a little reading about Mussolini and Hitler and they're brown/black shirts?

O.M.G......

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
4.1.20  Trout Giggles  replied to  Ronin2 @4.1.13    2 weeks ago
Our second primary goal is to achieve Social Justice for the White Working Class

The White working class....not people of color who also work their asses off.

You're unteachable and unreachable. 

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.2  Kathleen  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4    3 weeks ago

I did not vote for Biden this election or Trump in 2016, but I believe in giving everyone a chance like I did Trump and like I am going to do with Biden now. 

My daughter voted for Biden, so she is happy...  : )

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @4.2    3 weeks ago

Yep.

 
 
 
Krishna
4.2.2  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @4.2    3 weeks ago

I did not vote for Biden this election or Trump in 2016, but I believe in giving everyone a chance like I did Trump and like I am going to do with Biden now.

Well, despite all the vitriol (coming from people on both sides) I actually know people of various political persuasions who were not freaking out after either election--rather they were willing to give both a chance by waiting to see what they actually did once in office-- not what the pundits claimed

Now what Trump has done is known-- with Biden we will have to wait and see. 

(One thing I am pretty sure of-- Biden's certainly not the extremist left-winger many say he is-- because we know his record as Vice President. He's obviously a centrist in his Party-- which in the Democratic party means a liberal. But not some crazy "Socialist" nut case!)

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.3  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @4.2.2    3 weeks ago

"But not some crazy "Socialist" nut case!"

Nah, he has AOC And the Squad backing him for that!jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif (Sarc)

 
 
 
Split Personality
4.2.4  Split Personality  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @4.2.3    3 weeks ago

I don't think that beyond being polite, AOC and her crowd will get much attention from Biden,

Just my opinion, neighbor.

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
4.2.5  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

I'mma gonna agree with you SP. 

 
 
 
JBB
4.2.6  JBB  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @4.2.5    3 weeks ago

I hope that first term congresswoman Nicole Malliotakis is treated fairly as AOC has been.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
4.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.4    3 weeks ago

Only time will tell one way or the other.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
4.2.8  Bob Nelson  replied to  JBB @4.2.6    3 weeks ago
treated fairly as AOC 

You forgot the /s tag again... 

 
 
 
Kathleen
4.2.9  Kathleen  replied to  Split Personality @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

I hope not.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom    3 weeks ago

I bet Putin is sobbing into his borscht right now.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    3 weeks ago

Some are still pushing Trump/Russia collusion theories, it appears.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 weeks ago
Some are still pushing Trump/Russia collusion theories, it appears.

Nothing gets by you, does it?

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.2  Texan1211  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.1    3 weeks ago

I see what I see.

 
 
 
JBB
5.1.3  JBB  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.2    3 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.4  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

Inane.

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
5.1.5  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  JBB @5.1.3    3 weeks ago

Hilarious.

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.6  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1    3 weeks ago
Some are still pushing Trump/Russia collusion theories, it appears.

Well, if its not true-- why has Trump refused to show his taxes? There can only be one reason. he has something to hide.

Heck-- It may or may not be some sort of collusion with the Russians.

Burt he could clear up those suspicions in an instant by releasing them!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.7  Krishna  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5.1.1    3 weeks ago
Nothing gets by you, does it

Well let's give credit where credit is due-- he certainly doeshave a very "fertile imagination"!

 
 
 
Krishna
5.1.8  Krishna  replied to  Texan1211 @5.1.4    3 weeks ago
Inane.

Well 

, I think it would be more accurate to say "conspiratorial".

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.9  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.1.6    3 weeks ago

oh, ffs.

the nyt has the presidents tax returns, remember?

do YOU publicize your taxes? are YOU hiding something?

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.10  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.1.7    3 weeks ago

not a bit more than you and all your collusion theories

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.1.11  Texan1211  replied to  Krishna @5.1.8    3 weeks ago

inane, and feeble attempts to 'splain it fail miserably 

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2  Ozzwald  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @5    3 weeks ago
I bet Putin is sobbing into his borscht right now.

Kidding?  Odds are Trump is putting together a top secret care package to Putin right now, to try and put off Deutsche Bank from calling in his debts.

 
 
 
JBB
5.2.1  JBB  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2    3 weeks ago

Trump is now stealing as quickly as he can...

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.2  Texan1211  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    3 weeks ago

let me guess here.

you have zero proof for what you claim, I bet.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2.3  Ozzwald  replied to  JBB @5.2.1    3 weeks ago
Trump is now stealing as quickly as he can...

He's making a list, checking twice, going to decide who to pardon before he leaves.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.4  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.3    3 weeks ago

got proof?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2.5  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    3 weeks ago
got proof?

You got proof he isn't?

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.6  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.5    3 weeks ago

I didn't make the claim.

don't you know the person making the claim us responsible for proving it?

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
5.2.7  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.4    2 weeks ago

"got proof?"

Nah, but when has that ever stopped the liberal left?

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2.8  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.6    2 weeks ago
I didn't make the claim.

No, but that's your response when you do make the claim, so I am holding you to your own standards.

Prove he isn't.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.9  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.8    2 weeks ago
No, but that's your response when you do make the claim, so I am holding you to your own standards.

Quote me doing exactly what you claim and you MIGHT, just MIGHT, actually have a point.

Until then, just gibberish.

 
 
 
Ozzwald
5.2.10  Ozzwald  replied to  Texan1211 @5.2.9    2 weeks ago

Until then, just gibberish.

Prove it's gibberish.

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.11  Texan1211  replied to  Ozzwald @5.2.10    2 weeks ago

Your posts continue to do the proving for me.

Thanks!

jrSmiley_13_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Texan1211
5.2.12  Texan1211  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @5.2.7    2 weeks ago

And then some yahoos demand others to prove something they didn't even claim, all while refusing--er, are incapable of-- providing proof for their outlandish claims.

 
 
 
Tessylo
6  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

Happy Days are here again!

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
6.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Tessylo @6    2 weeks ago

Time will tell.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
7  Bob Nelson    3 weeks ago

It will surprise no one that President Trump was golfing when the news came. 

 
 
 
devangelical
7.1  devangelical  replied to  Bob Nelson @7    3 weeks ago

uh oh, no tip for the cart girl at the turn ...

 
 
 
Tessylo
8  Tessylo    3 weeks ago

 
 
 
Kathleen
9  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

Congratulations to President elect Biden. I wish him well and I hope that we can all work together as a country. 

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
9.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Kathleen @9    3 weeks ago

Agreed.

 
 
 
Kavika
10  Kavika     3 weeks ago

Yes, I'm very happy that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have been elected president and vice-president of the United States of America. 

I supported them, worked for them in the Native American, Pacific Islander, and Hispanic community on the get out to vote. In our local Hispanic community, I became known as ''El Indio''. LOL

I was especially pleased to see Van Jones on CNN pay special thanks to the Native American community for helping the Biden/Harris team to victory. 

I will be overjoyed if Biden/Harris wins the state of Arizona for many reasons. 

I will be working to get a Native American picked to lead a cabinet position. There is one that would not only be picking a well-qualified person but a highly symbolic choice.

BTW 13 Native Americans ran for office in Arizona and 11 of them won.

 

 
 
 
Krishna
10.1  Krishna  replied to  Kavika @10    3 weeks ago
BTW 13 Native Americans ran for office in Arizona and 11 of them won.

Wow-- I  hadn't realized there were so many! That's great news-- perhaps we are making progress with that  after all(although slower than it should be,its still progress! :-)

 
 
 
Kavika
10.1.1  Kavika   replied to  Krishna @10.1    3 weeks ago

55 Natives were elected to state offices and there are 6 in Alaska where the results are not available yet.. Almost all elected were from midwest, southwest, and western states.

Dozens more ran for nonpartisan, judicial, county commissioner post in numerous states.  

6 more won federal House of Representative seats.

 
 
 
Kavika
10.1.2  Kavika   replied to  Kavika @10.1.1    3 weeks ago

Of the 55, 31 were women. and 3 of the 6 on the federal level are women.

 
 
 
Veronica
10.1.3  Veronica  replied to  Kavika @10.1.2    2 weeks ago

All of this is awesome news.

 
 
 
CB
10.2  CB   replied to  Kavika @10    2 weeks ago

Powerful news! Congratulations are in order. The hard work paid off, and I am thrilled to hear about it!

 
 
 
Perrie Halpern R.A.
11  seeder  Perrie Halpern R.A.    3 weeks ago

Guys, I know you are all happy that Biden won, but this article is about healing as a nation. Please try and keep that in mind. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  Perrie Halpern R.A. @11    3 weeks ago

With Mcconnell still running the Senate you know what the next 4 years are going to look like. 

 
 
 
MUVA
11.1.1  MUVA  replied to  Thrawn 31 @11.1    3 weeks ago

Grid lock and little to no access to your fellow citizens wealth.

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  MUVA @11.1.1    3 weeks ago

It will be gridlock and I don't need anyone's wealth, have more than enough of my own. Besides, we finance everything through borrowing anyways. 

 
 
 
bugsy
11.1.3  bugsy  replied to  Thrawn 31 @11.1    3 weeks ago
With Mcconnell still running the Senate you know what the next 4 years are going to look like. 

Thank God for that. We know that very little to zero socialist ideas will get through Congress. AOCs gonna be pissed because the entire 4 years of Biden will be lame duck.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.1.4  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Thrawn 31 @11.1    3 weeks ago

Yeah, it's part of a little thing called checks and balances.

 
 
 
devangelical
11.1.5  devangelical  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.4    3 weeks ago

that's coming back in style with the right wing now?

 
 
 
bugsy
11.1.6  bugsy  replied to  devangelical @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

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Ed-NavDoc
11.1.8  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  devangelical @11.1.5    3 weeks ago

It's always been there. Just been ignored by the hard core liberal left in DC for the last 4 years.

 
 
 
MrFrost
11.1.9  MrFrost  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.4    3 weeks ago

Yeah, it's part of a little thing called checks and balances.

I have no problems with checks and balances or congress not approving something the POTUS wants to do as long as it's done for a valid reason. I will never agree with blocking a good plan by ANY POTUS that is blocked by ANY makeup of congress for political reasons. 

McConnell vowed to never work with Obama before he was even sworn in and ultimately, it resulted in an economy that grew very slowly and the right never complained once in 8 years. When McConnell took over in...2011(?), he swore that they were going to really get things done...went on to be the least productive congress in history. 

I do hope the right wing will accept Biden's offer to work together, but given what I have seen on Twitter today, I am doubtful. Right wing talking heads are spreading conspiracy theories, lies and a good amount of fake video. Trump refusing to accept the fact that he lost is only doing more destruction to our democracy, it needs to stop. If he has valid complaints, he should challenge them in the courts, not on twitter where he riles his base up to do something stupid. 

 
 
 
Krishna
11.1.10  Krishna  replied to  Thrawn 31 @11.1    3 weeks ago
With Mcconnell still running the Senate you know what the next 4 years are going to look like. 

Well its not all that common,but sometimes people do change.

Even someone like McConnell might.

 
 
 
Krishna
11.1.11  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @11.1.1    3 weeks ago
Grid lock and little to no access to your fellow citizens wealth.

Au contraire, mon petit Chou!

Amongst those who deal a lot with"other peoples' wealth" are the wall Street crowd.And as Biden's victory became more and more evident, they continued to move the market up.

Why so confident?

Several reasons.

But one of the main one is that many feel a Biden presidency at this point may be better for the market than a Trump victory.

Others  feel that it might not be better-- but perhaps more importantly it won't be worse (as many had feared)..

(Which may seem counter-intuitive to thosewho don't have a deep understanding of thepsychology of the Market...but its true).

 
 
 
Krishna
11.1.12  Krishna  replied to  MUVA @11.1.1    3 weeks ago
Grid lock and little to no access to your fellow citizens wealth

Oh there's no dpubt in my mind that trump (and for that matter the entire trump family) will find a way to continue to steal from Americans. Hwe be be a total sleaze with no morals or compassion for his fellow citizens--but he still a darn clever conman-- have to give him credit for that!)

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.1.13  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Krishna @11.1.10    2 weeks ago

Why should McConnell be the only one that has to change and not Pelosi, Schumer, Schiff, and Nadler as well?

 
 
 
Ronin2
11.1.14  Ronin2  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.13    2 weeks ago

Because they have the all powerful D behind their names; and that is all that matters.

Compromise is for Republicans and Conservatives. The left knows what is best for all of us. Just ask them.

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
11.1.15  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  Ronin2 @11.1.14    2 weeks ago

Amen!

 
 
 
Tessylo
11.1.16  Tessylo  replied to  devangelical @11.1.5    2 weeks ago

There should only be checks and balances when a Democrat is President . . . 

 
 
 
Greg Jones
11.1.17  Greg Jones  replied to  Tessylo @11.1.16    2 weeks ago

If, as expected, the Repubs retain the Senate, little of the Dems grand schemes will become reality

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1.18  Thrawn 31  replied to  bugsy @11.1.3    2 weeks ago

Do you even know what socialism is?

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1.19  Thrawn 31  replied to  Ed-NavDoc @11.1.4    2 weeks ago

At this point it is called ineffective governance. The US is more or less paralyzed by partisanship, and will ultimately be left behind because of it. 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
11.1.20  Thrawn 31  replied to  Krishna @11.1.11    2 weeks ago

Strangely enough, shocks, and things happening that are out of the ordinary and unexpected seem to hurt my portfolios and IRAs. It is so weird... but stability, predictability, and rational government policies seem to be good for them. 

Krishna, perhaps you can elaborate on this incredibly strange coincidence? 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
11.1.21  Trout Giggles  replied to  MUVA @11.1.1    2 weeks ago

You were the one hoping for gridlock just a few days ago

 
 
 
Nerm_L
12  Nerm_L    3 weeks ago

I thought the Biden campaign's theme was "Joe Biden is not Donald Trump".  As I recall, Biden's unifying message was the need to defeat Trump.

Is the New York Times trying to rewrite history again?

 
 
 
Krishna
12.1  Krishna  replied to  Nerm_L @12    3 weeks ago
I thought the Biden campaign's theme was "Joe Biden is not Donald Trump".

Well, as usual, you are poorly informed!

Don't you ever follow the news?

Is the New York Times trying to rewrite history again?

Of course the Times is trying to write history again! (In fact they only paused for a few months!)

Didn't you read the recent article where the Times claimed the Confederacy actually won the Civil War?

Or how about their recent series of articles "proving" that the Moon landing never happened-- it was all a complete Hoax"

Or their statements claiming that Trump was basically an honest man-- and never uttered a false statement in his entire life?

/sarc

 
 
 
Kathleen
13  Kathleen    3 weeks ago

Has anyone noticed with these big joyful crowds that even though they were mostly wearing masks, they were not social distancing. 

I heard no complaining about that. 

Why?

 
 
 
Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
13.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  Kathleen @13    3 weeks ago
Has anyone noticed with these big joyful crowds that even though they were mostly wearing masks, they were not social distancing. 

I heard no complaining about that. 

Why?

I think it depends on those to whom you choose to listen, Kathleen.  I've heard (or read) it mentioned all day on several different media outlets.  The correspondents have mentioned it.  News anchors have mentioned it.  Even the revelers have mentioned it.  

I'm sure there will be some failure to social distance fallout, but I think it is setting a tremendous example that masks are being worn.

 

 
 
 
Kathleen
13.1.1  Kathleen  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @13.1    2 weeks ago

I am sure it will be a ‘pass’.  All I heard on the media was what a huge turnout and celebration it is.  Rare mentions of it.

Hope they don’t spread it to the older folks. It looked like a younger crowd. 

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
13.1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @13.1    2 weeks ago

Masks are necessary when social distancing cannot be accomplished.

 
 
 
Krishna
13.2  Krishna  replied to  Kathleen @13    2 weeks ago
I heard no complaining about that.  Why?

Probably because they feel that mentioning no masks & no social distancing isn't nearly as powerful of mentioning all the rioting and looting that the Democrats are (supposedly) doing. 

Also, remember, many Republican voters point to Trump as an example-- they feel if he doesn't wear a mask and often doesn't social distance its not really important. And many believe the whole virus thing is a Democratic Hoax anyway! So that isn't really effective as a campaign issue.

But the fear of looting and violence is much scarier-- the threat of Dems rioting, burning and being violent is much scarier-- and therefore a much more effective campaign tactic!

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
13.2.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @13.2    2 weeks ago

Another point:

Trump's behavior, relayed by his followers, has killed nearly a quarter-million people. Neither Trump nor his followers gives a fuck about those quarter-million.

But they care a great deal about some burned buildings. 

 
 
 
Tessylo
14  Tessylo    2 weeks ago

Why am I not surprised to see a lot of this 'presidents' supporters not accepting the results of this election?

 
 
 
bugsy
14.1  bugsy  replied to  Tessylo @14    2 weeks ago
Why am I not surprised to see a lot of this 'presidents' supporters not accepting the results of this election?

I don't know but why am I not surprised to see a lot of Hillary supporters not accepting the results of the 2016 election....four years later?

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.1  Bob Nelson  replied to  bugsy @14.1    2 weeks ago
... a lot of Hillary supporters not accepting the results of the 2016 election... 

Seriously? Hillary conceded immediately. I've seen people grumble about Trump winning despite his lower vote... but once Hillary conceded, the outcome has never been challenged. 

Then again, Hillary has s-o-o-o much more honor and courage than the Golfer-in-Chief.... 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
14.1.2  Thrawn 31  replied to  bugsy @14.1    2 weeks ago

Who in the fuck, besides you and like 2 other people on the right, are talking about Hillary? Seriously, no one cares and haven't for awhile. 

 
 
 
Krishna
14.1.3  Krishna  replied to  Thrawn 31 @14.1.2    2 weeks ago
Who in the fuck, besides you and like 2 other people on the right, are talking about Hillary? Seriously, no one cares and haven't for awhile. 

That's a standard tactic they use when losing an argument. Its so common there's evena name fir it now: "Whattaboutism".

Rather than discussinng the current topic, they use if a fiorm of "yes but what a bout..."

Its a derail. Trump uses it a lot, and his groupies have learned from him.

And BTW, while wer\'re discussing Hillary-- what about President Polk?

And whattabout what Warren Gamliel Harding did???

And Thomas Jefferson? :et's discuss him!

(See how that works? jrSmiley_9_smiley_image.gif )

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.4  Bob Nelson  replied to  Krishna @14.1.3    2 weeks ago

Whataboutism is intrinsically duplicitous. But there's worse. 

Whataboutism allows anyone to behave as badly as anyone else has ever behaved. 

"Oh, yeah? Well... what about Jeffrey Dahmer?" 

 
 
 
Veronica
14.1.5  Veronica  replied to  Bob Nelson @14.1.4    2 weeks ago
what about Jeffrey Dahmer?

He would have made a bad head chef.

 
 
 
Bob Nelson
14.1.6  Bob Nelson  replied to  Veronica @14.1.5    2 weeks ago
 a bad head chef.

That's terrible!!

      jrSmiley_91_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
Veronica
14.1.7  Veronica  replied to  Bob Nelson @14.1.6    2 weeks ago
That's terrible!!

I know...I couldn't help myself........jrSmiley_20_smiley_image.gifjrSmiley_68_smiley_image.png

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
15  The Magic Eight Ball    2 weeks ago
achieved victory offering a message of healing and unity.

LOL, joe said as if he farts rainbows and unicorns... 

 nothing is over yet, the supreme court will have to sort this out.

as for the streets? one can expect anything and everything except unity.

 

 
 
 
Thrawn 31
15.1  Thrawn 31  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago
 nothing is over yet

Yes it is.

the supreme court will have to sort this out.

No they won't. 

one can expect anything and everything except unity.

Probably right. 

 
 
 
MrFrost
15.2  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago
nothing is over yet

Yea, it is. 

If you think trump is going to overturn 5 states and win, you're delusional. Biden could give up PA, GA and Nevada and STILL win. It's not going to happen. Trump lost. 

 
 
 
Krishna
15.2.1  Krishna  replied to  MrFrost @15.2    2 weeks ago
nothing is over yet
Yea, it is.  If you think trump is going to overturn 5 states and win, you're delusional. Biden could give up PA, GA and Nevada and STILL win. It's not going to happen. Trump lost. 

Ah c'mon-- isn't it obvious? 

The case will go to the Supreme Court-- and Trump will win be awarded all the Electoral votes in every state! 

(Plus an extra 5 that don't even exist!)

Trump will win-- it will be unanimous!

/s

 
 
 
MrFrost
15.3  MrFrost  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago
 the supreme court will have to sort this out.

8 of the 10 lawsuits trumptard has filed have already been thrown out. Problem?

They have NO proof. It's all made up bullshit. 

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
15.3.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  MrFrost @15.3    2 weeks ago
8 of the 10 lawsuits trumptard has filed have already been thrown out. Problem?

matters not, regardless of the outcome in the courts,

 joe says unity?   not a chance. not even close.

this country will be more divided than ever.  count on that.

so yepp, I have no problem at all,  when everyone agrees that's when I get worried.

chaos is good :)

 

 
 
 
JBB
15.4  JBB  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago

256

 
 
 
Ed-NavDoc
15.4.1  Ed-NavDoc  replied to  JBB @15.4    2 weeks ago

Now that's a good one!🤣

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.5  TᵢG  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago
nothing is over yet, the supreme court will have to sort this out

Says the guy who claimed Trump would win in a landslide: "the silent majority is near twice as large as it was in 2016".

 
 
 
The Magic Eight Ball
15.5.1  The Magic Eight Ball  replied to  TᵢG @15.5    2 weeks ago
Says the guy who claimed Trump would win in a landslide:

I guess you forgot I also said we needed to seat acb on the supreme court because it will be a contested election.   

but hey, have fun attacking me, changes nothing,

and stop the  unity bs,  there will be none of that,

why the fuk would we be civil with people who hate us?   (rhetorical)

honestly, just do me one favor?

if joe succeeds please go as far left with the government as possible.  

open borders, end our energy independence, 4 dollar gas, the works...  promise me?

see you kids in about a week,   I got fun stuff to do :)

 
 
 
Split Personality
15.5.2  Split Personality  replied to  TᵢG @15.5    2 weeks ago
4.1   The Magic Eight Ball   replied to  Split Personality @ 4     

historical blowout 

you will see those words again in the news after trump is re-elected 

4/08/20

Yeah, the great predictor has left quotes like that all over this website for over a year.

I am surprised to see him back so soon.

 
 
 
TᵢG
15.5.3  TᵢG  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15.5.1    2 weeks ago
but hey, have fun attacking me, changes nothing,

That was no attack, you made that claim and refused to explain why.   You claimed to have evidence and refused to give it.   You danced around so I bookmarked your comment to remind you.

Consider yourself reminded.

I guess you forgot I also said we needed to seat acb on the supreme court because it will be a contested election. 

I think pretty much everyone figured that Trump would contest the election if he lost.   That is not something I would have challenged.

 
 
 
CB
15.5.4  CB   replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15.5.1    2 weeks ago

On your way out take this with you: Nobody but no-one likes a sore loser. So Trump can try to show this 'Nathie borne ass' if he wants on the way out of office - and  in 2024 we will remind people (play the footage) of just what type of 'horse's ass that kicked damaged and burnt all the stalls' he was back in 2021!

 
 
 
Tessylo
15.5.5  Tessylo  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15.5.1    2 weeks ago

I was just talking about you, the one who was so sure that trumpturd would win!

What a surprise.  He lost!

The only one contesting the election is trumpturd.  What a sore loser and whiny little bitch trumpturd is.

 
 
 
CB
15.5.6  CB   replied to  CB @15.5.4    2 weeks ago

And the sign read: "HANDLE WITH CARE FROM THIS POINT FORWARD."

Duran-Duran sang: "Girls on Film."

Madonna sang: "Vogue."

Courts will say: 'Trial Copy.'

It will behoove Donald Trump to mind his behavior from "today" forward! Just saying!

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
15.5.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  CB @15.5.4    2 weeks ago
Nobody but no-one likes a sore loser.

I dunno...seems like the trumpys on NT still like him

 
 
 
Krishna
15.6  Krishna  replied to  The Magic Eight Ball @15    2 weeks ago
nothing is over yet

Wrong.

The Presidential race is over.

However, you are partly correct, the makeup of the Senate is not yet determined.. And its not a question of ballots to count. There will be not one but two runoffs for Georgia Senate, Jan 5 IIRC,

I believe if Dems win both there will be a tie, and the VP could breaks it. (I could be wrong-- I don't remember the numbers. Might be off by 1  senator).

Dems are hoping to win both seats -- but I've been read about it-- IMO they will definitely  lose both.

So that's not officially over. 

 
 
 
CB
15.6.1  CB   replied to  Krishna @15.6    2 weeks ago
I believe if Dems win both there will be a tie, and the VP could breaks it. (I could be wrong-- I don't remember the numbers. Might be off by 1  senator).

U.S. Senate election results

Democrats and Republicans are currently deadlocked for control of the Senate.

48 to 48

2 Georgia senate seats for the run-off on January 5, 2021.

Last updated Nov. 8, 2020, 10:49 p.m. PST https://www.politico.com/2020-election/results/senate/
 
 
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