Smoking Guns

  
By:  al Jizzerror  •  3 weeks ago  •  110 comments

Smoking Guns
Smoking guns can be hazardous to the presidency.

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The credibility of the whistle blower is irrelevant.  The Donald is a "water-head".  Trump keeps supplying evidence that will be used in the Articles of Impeachment.  Trump is so stupid that he may not realize that some of his recent statements are actually "confessions" of his criminal conduct.

  Yesterday, on the White House lawn, President Trump pointed another smoking gun at the press.  He publicly requested that China investigate the Democratic front runner in the up coming election.  CNN has provided some details of Trump's latest request:


Trump raised Biden with Xi in June call housed in highly secure server




By Kylie Atwood , Kevin Liptak , Pamela Brown , Jim Sciutto and Gloria Borger , CNN

Updated 10:30 PM ET, Thu October 3, 2019


Washington (CNN)When President Donald Trump suggested — without prompting — that China should investigate Joe Biden and his son, he thrust another political grudge into what was already the world's most complicated and consequential relationship.


The move startled Chinese officials, who say they have little interest in becoming embroiled in a US political controversy. And it amounted to the latest extraordinary effort by Trump to openly request political assistance from foreign governments.

Thursday's comments weren't the first time Trump has injected Biden into his relationship with China, though he said Thursday he has never pushed Xi to investigate the former vice president. Nor is it the first time he has sought to trade favors with Xi, who this week celebrated the 70th birthday of his communist state with a note of congratulations from Trump.


During a phone call with Xi on June 18, Trump raised Biden's political prospects as well as those of Sen. Elizabeth Warren, who by then had started rising in the polls, according to two people familiar with the discussion. In that call, Trump also told Xi he would remain quiet on Hong Kong protests as trade talks progressed.



https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/trump-biden-call-xi-secure-server/index.html

Trump's call to Xi, like Trump's Ukrainian call, was also placed on the most secure server available because White House officials determined that this request is illegal and the call needed to be "covered-up".  Any request to a foreigner (or a foreign government) for help in an election is illegal.


FEC chairwoman appears to subtweet Trump over the illegality of accepting foreign help in election





Savannah Behrmann , USA TODAY Published 3:43 p.m. ET Oct. 3, 2019

WASHINGTON— The head of the Federal Election Commission reminded candidates that asking for help from foreign governments is illegal in an apparent subtweet of President Donald Trump 

Ellen Weintraub's tweet came after  Trump exclaimed that China should investigate former vice president Joe Biden , despite already being in the middle of an impeachment inquiry after asking Ukraine for the same thing.

"By the way, likewise, China should start an investigation into the Biden's because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine," Trump told reporters on the White House South Lawn Thursday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/10/03/fec-chairwoman-subtweets-trump-over-accepting-foreign-help-election/3855546002/

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al Jizzerror
1  author  al Jizzerror    3 weeks ago

Trump is a fucking idiot.

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Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom
1.1  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    3 weeks ago
Trump is a fucking idiot.

Since the day he was born.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Sister Mary Agnes Ample Bottom @1.1    3 weeks ago

He has tweeted that if he gets impeached, there will be a "civil war".

He doesn't realize that the "Union army" will be the U.S. military. 

The White Supremacist "militias" are going to lose.

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Ender
1.1.2  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.1    3 weeks ago

I guess tubby on the right couldn't find anything that fit him at the surplus shop.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.1.3  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    3 weeks ago

It's hard to camouflage a whale.

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Ender
1.1.4  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

The two on the left might eventually get ostracized for looking too metro.

Unkempt and unshaven seems to be a trade mark.

 
 
 
Ender
1.1.5  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.1.3    3 weeks ago

Very unfortunate colour choice.

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
1.1.6  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  Ender @1.1.2    2 weeks ago

I am betting that isn't water in his bottle either.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    3 weeks ago

He's a really stable genius!

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.2.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2    3 weeks ago
He's a really stable genius!

Mr. Ed was a "stable genius".  Trump isn't qualified to carry Mr. Ed's jock strap.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
1.2.2  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Mr. Ed had a jock strap?.....

 
 
 
r.t..b...
1.2.3  r.t..b...  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

No one need add another comment, Mr. Jizz has just dropped the mic.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.2.4  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.2    3 weeks ago
Mr. Ed had a jock strap?.....

Mr. Ed was hung like a horse butt he really didn't wear a jock strap.  Butt he sometimes wore a horse diaper that resembles a huge jock strap.

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Trout Giggles
1.2.5  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.4    3 weeks ago

Note to self: Be careful what you ask Al.

 
 
 
Tessylo
1.2.6  Tessylo  replied to  al Jizzerror @1.2.1    3 weeks ago

Did you hear the fucking idiot in chief talking about Pompeo?  About how Schiff couldn't hold his 'blank'  strap?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/10/02/trump_adam_schiff_isnt_worthy_to_carry_pompeos_jockstrap.html

President Trump blasted House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff for his criticism of Secretary of State Mike Pompeo on Wednesday, saying Schiff isn't worthy to carry Pompeo’s "blank strap."

"We don’t call him 'Shifty Schiff' for nothing, he’s a shifty, dishonest guy, who by the way, was critical of one of the great secretaries of states, graduated No. 1 in his class at West Point, graduated one of the top in his class at Harvard Law School — the most honorable person," Trump told reporters during a photo-op with the President of Finland at the White House.

Trump continued: "You know, there's an expression, [Schiff] couldn't carry [Pompeo’s] ‘blank’ strap, I won't say it because they'll say it was so terrible to say, but that guy couldn't carry his ‘blank’ strap, do you understand that?"

 
 
 
Split Personality
1.2.7  Split Personality  replied to  Trout Giggles @1.2.5    3 weeks ago

Very careful  jrSmiley_86_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
1.2.8  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Tessylo @1.2.6    3 weeks ago
Did you hear the fucking idiot in chief talking about Pompeo?  About how Schiff couldn't hold his 'blank'  strap?

That's about the only thing Trump has said lately that makes sense.

Since Pompeo has no balls, he doesn't have a jock strap.  Since it doesn't exist, it can't be "held" by anyone  (including Schiff).

Trump needs one of these:

 
 
 
MrFrost
1.3  MrFrost  replied to  al Jizzerror @1    3 weeks ago

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r.t..b...
1.3.1  r.t..b...  replied to  MrFrost @1.3    3 weeks ago

It seems gun control is important after all.

 
 
 
lady in black
2  lady in black    3 weeks ago

Crooked donnie's supporters will be crying "fake news"

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It Is ME
3  It Is ME    3 weeks ago

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Split Personality
3.1  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @3    3 weeks ago
ANY QUESTIONS?

Yes, Is that supposed to be Professor John Bolton ?

LOL !

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.1.1  It Is ME  replied to  Split Personality @3.1    3 weeks ago
Yes, Is that supposed to be Professor John Bolton ? LOL !

Nah !

The guy in the pic has more sense. jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3    3 weeks ago

Your cartoons are irrelevant to this discussion.

Trump is going to be impeached.

Are you attempting to defend Trump or just trolling?

You cannot defend the indefensible. 

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.1  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2    3 weeks ago
Your cartoons are irrelevant to this discussion.

Yes they IS.

All the Democrats are doing right now, is looking to get the "Wack Job" vote added to their base !

If they actually "Vote' to impeach, they'll lose their "Moderates".

Why not just go for the gusto, by not actually doing anything but "Talk" !

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    3 weeks ago
If they actually "Vote' to impeach, they'll lose their "Moderates".

The Democrats have begun the "impeachment inquiry" which will lead to the formulation of articles of impeachment.  The House will pass the articles of impeachment to the Senate where "Moscow Mitch" will poop all over due process.

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It Is ME
3.2.3  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.2    3 weeks ago
The Democrats have begun the "impeachment inquiry"

They've been "Inquiring" for almost 3 years now !

Because Nancy says it's "Formal", it's different now? (Coat, tie and long gowns required this time).

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.4  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.3    3 weeks ago
Because Nancy says it's "Formal", it's different now? (Coat, tie and long gowns required this time).

Yeah.  It's "formal" now.

Trump's lawyer, Giuliani already picked out his gown.

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It Is ME
3.2.5  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

Gosh ….. I seem to have seen that before.

Now....where would I have seen that ?

Hmmmmmmm……….. jrSmiley_18_smiley_image.gif

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Split Personality
3.2.6  Split Personality  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    3 weeks ago
If they actually "Vote' to impeach, they'll lose their "Moderates".

I don't think you can prove that.

 
 
 
Trout Giggles
3.2.7  Trout Giggles  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.4    3 weeks ago

I think Rudy should go with something a little more orange and in a jumpsuit style

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.8  It Is ME  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.6    3 weeks ago
I don't think you can prove that.

Proof isn't needed these days.

It's all about "Feelings" now !

Besides, It's Hard to find "Reality" in the news reporting anyway.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.9  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    3 weeks ago
All the Democrats are doing right now, is looking to get the "Wack Job" vote added to their base 

Trump has the "Whack Job" vote.  That's his fucking base!

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It Is ME
3.2.10  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.9    3 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
3.2.11  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.10    3 weeks ago

Tis is an article about The Donald and his proclivity to provide evidence of his lawlessness.

Since you cannot defend the indefensible you can only post stupid deflections.

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It Is ME
3.2.12  It Is ME  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.11    3 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
3.2.13  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.12    3 weeks ago

I see you enjoy cartoons.

Here's a clip featuring "Cartoon Trump".

 
 
 
MrFrost
3.2.14  MrFrost  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.12    3 weeks ago

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cobaltblue
3.2.15  cobaltblue  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.14    3 weeks ago

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WallyW
3.2.16  WallyW  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2    3 weeks ago

Trump is going to be impeached.

Uh....that's not a sure thing yet. Some dems may worry about how a failed impeachment clown show will affect their reelection chances.

Senate will never vote to convict

 
 
 
Ronin2
3.2.17  Ronin2  replied to  MrFrost @3.2.14    3 weeks ago

Love to count the lies.

Obama created 12 million jobs.

Considering the US was recovering from a recession he should have created more.

Brought the stock market to record highs.

Obama presided over the slowest economic recovery from recession on record. Period. As for stock market highs- eclipsed by Trump's market highs.

Got 17 million health care insurance

Gave the insurance industry 17 million more captive souls that are forced to buy their product with no cost controls in place. The insurance industry can't thank Obama enough. The rest of us- not so much.

And saved the American auto industry

Lost tax payers billions on the bail out; screwed the lenders and vendors that worked with GM, and awarded his great UAW buddies something they had no right to in controlling interest in GM. How is that working out by the way? UAW on strike now trying to force the same concessions from GM that drove it under in the first place.

Not all memes are created equal; or intelligently.

 
 
 
Just Jim NC TttH
3.2.18  Just Jim NC TttH  replied to  cobaltblue @3.2.15    3 weeks ago

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al Jizzerror
3.2.19  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.17    3 weeks ago
Lost tax payers billions on the bail out

That may be true butt TARP was a GW Bush program.

The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 , often called the "bank bailout of 2008," was proposed by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson , passed by the 110th United States Congress , and signed into law by President George W. Bush . The act became law as part of Public Law 110-343 on October 3, 2008, in the midst of the financial crisis of 2007–2008 . The law created the Troubled Asset Relief Program to purchase distressed assets from financial institutions.

You said:

"Love to count the lies." "Not all memes are created equal; or intelligently."

The meme posted by MrFrost is intelligent because of its accuracy.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.20  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Just Jim NC TttH @3.2.18    3 weeks ago

The positive job numbers that Trump wants the credit for started in 2010 as the Obama economy recovered from the disastrous GW Bush economy.

This is from a Forbes article published in 2018:

July Marks 94 Months Of Continuous U.S. Job Creation [Infographic]

Niall McCarthy Contributor 
Data journalist covering technological, societal and media topics
The U.S. is continuing to enjoy a record-breaking streak in job creation with the latest ADP data showing that 219,000 jobs were added in July. That marks the 94th straight month of job growth

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Fireryone
3.2.21  Fireryone  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    2 weeks ago
If they actually "Vote' to impeach, they'll lose their "Moderates".

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/08/730697885/poll-support-for-impeachment-hearings-grows-but-americans-split-on-way-forward?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I don't think moderates are going to stick by a sinking ship.

 
 
 
Fireryone
3.2.22  Fireryone  replied to  Ronin2 @3.2.17    2 weeks ago
Obama presided over the slowest economic recovery from recession on record. Period.

Thanks to austerity pushed by the gop. 

 
 
 
Fireryone
3.2.23  Fireryone  replied to  WallyW @3.2.16    2 weeks ago
Senate will never vote to convict

Never say never. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
3.2.24  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Split Personality @3.2.6    2 weeks ago
"I don't think you can prove that."

It's a prediction, not a fact. It's a little difficult to prove a prediction until either it happens or it doesn't. 

By that way, that cartoon a few comments up with all the masks, is it a relative of yours?  LOL

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.25  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Fireryone @3.2.23    2 weeks ago
Never say never. 

It's nice to see you again.  You fit right in on an article about smoking guns because you're a hottie .

I still have this old pic of you from the NewsVine years;:

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Trout Giggles
3.2.26  Trout Giggles  replied to  Fireryone @3.2.23    2 weeks ago

YAY!!!! Fiery's back!

 
 
 
Fireryone
3.2.27  Fireryone  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.25    2 weeks ago

I was pleasantly surprised when I stopped by NT and saw you posting here!  jrSmiley_15_smiley_image.gif

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
3.2.28  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Fireryone @3.2.27    2 weeks ago

Trout Giggles, Cobalt and Split Personality are here too.

We ought to put the banned back together.

 
 
 
Fireryone
3.2.29  Fireryone  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.28    2 weeks ago
rout Giggles, Cobalt and Split Personality are here too. We ought to put the banned back together.

Yes, we should!  

 
 
 
 
KDMichigan
3.2.31  KDMichigan  replied to  Tessylo @3.2.30    2 weeks ago
Hey, I'll play the cowbell. 

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al Jizzerror
3.2.32  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  KDMichigan @3.2.31    2 weeks ago

I can't fucking believe that you're ridiculing cow bell on this thread.

Now you're messing with a son of a bitch

Hair of the Dog by Nazareth

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.33  cobaltblue  replied to  Fireryone @3.2.27    2 weeks ago
I was pleasantly surprised when I stopped by NT and saw you posting here!

There's my sistah! Happy ... no, I'm thrilled ... to see you!

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.34  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.32    2 weeks ago
I can't fucking believe that you're ridiculing cow bell on this thread.

There are some people who are as wise as the world is flat. Like inverse Einsteins. You know, those that always have a vacant top floor. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.35  r.t..b...  replied to  cobaltblue @3.2.34    2 weeks ago
those that always have a vacant top floor. 

...and those that choose to take the escalator down. Gravity in lieu of gravitas. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.36  cobaltblue  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.35    2 weeks ago
Gravity in lieu of gravitas.

Oh, that's awesome! Smart comment ... 

Have I ever told you I'm sapiosexual??? 

 
 
 
Paula Bartholomew
3.2.37  Paula Bartholomew  replied to  It Is ME @3.2.1    2 weeks ago

Yes they is?  I sure hope no one ever copied your English homework.

 
 
 
It Is ME
3.2.38  It Is ME  replied to  Paula Bartholomew @3.2.37    2 weeks ago
Yes they is?  I sure hope no one ever copied your English homework.

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Raven Wing
3.2.39  Raven Wing  replied to  al Jizzerror @3.2.4    2 weeks ago
Trump's lawyer, Giuliani already picked out his gown.

I think he looks much better as a woman. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.40  r.t..b...  replied to  cobaltblue @3.2.36    2 weeks ago
Have I ever told you I'm sapiosexual??? 

Go finger...and always willing to lend a hand.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.41  cobaltblue  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.40    2 weeks ago
Go finger...and always willing to lend a hand.

Statistics show that 69% of the population sees something sexual in every sentence. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.42  cobaltblue  replied to  Raven Wing @3.2.39    2 weeks ago
I think he looks much better as a woman. 

Omigawd! I thought the exact same thing. 

You know, when he was having his meltdown on CNN, I was mesmerized. I couldn't believe my eyes. I couldn't help but wonder ... and I wondered aloud to my newish boyfriend ... "why on earth didn't he have his bottom teeth badly veneered like he does on his uppers??" 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.43  r.t..b...  replied to  cobaltblue @3.2.41    2 weeks ago
Statistics show that 69% of the population sees something sexual in every sentence

...when a reversal of fortune leads to a mutually beneficial outcome.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.44  cobaltblue  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.43    2 weeks ago
a reversal of fortune leads to a mutually beneficial outcome

Great fortune cookie message. 

 
 
 
r.t..b...
3.2.45  r.t..b...  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.40    2 weeks ago
willing to lend a hand

...in my blush, gave myself an inadvertent thumbs up. Please disregard as not intended. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
3.2.46  cobaltblue  replied to  r.t..b... @3.2.45    2 weeks ago
...in my blush

Love blushers. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4  JohnRussell    3 weeks ago

There are roughly 375 days between now and the presidential election. How many more dozens of smoking guns will Trump hand us between now and then? And still some will vote for him.  

 
 
 
katrix
4.2  katrix  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago
And still some will vote for him.  

The sufferers of TDS genuinely worship Trump, I've come to realize. Their psyches cannot handle the thought of their orange god being less than perfect, so they refuse to believe anything negative about him, even if it's something he himself has admitted. If they do have to realize that he actually did something, they excuse it - all while being huge hypocrites and also falling for any conspiracy theory that keeps their little brains from shorting out. Not that there could be too many brain cells involved, for them to constantly fall for conspiracy theories and be seemingly unable to understand what facts and reality are - their god tells them not to believe what they see and hear, but to believe his lies instead ... and voila, that's exactly what they do.

They don't care a bit about their country; their lack of patriotism is despicable and pathetic, as is their idol. I'm not even sure they care about their party, because if they did, they'd be supporting a rational, capable GOP candidate for the 2020 election. Idolatry is never a good thing, especially when your idol is as massively flawed and immoral as Trump.

I never really thought they'd go so far as to support treason, however. Even I am shocked by that.

 
 
 
Tessylo
4.2.1  Tessylo  replied to  katrix @4.2    3 weeks ago

And some say the democrats don't have more than two brain cells to rub together. . . tsk, tsk

 
 
 
Fireryone
4.2.2  Fireryone  replied to  katrix @4.2    2 weeks ago
I never really thought they'd go so far as to support treason, however. Even I am shocked by that.

I wish I could say I was shocked by this.  

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.3  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  katrix @4.2    2 weeks ago
"their lack of patriotism is despicable and pathetic"

I have always felt that those who kneel during the playing of the anthem, refuse to say the pledge of allegiance and piss on the Stars and Stripes were the ones who lack patriotism, but then I guess it's because I've always believed those things stand for one's nation, historically and forever, not for a temporary governing body.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.4  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.3    2 weeks ago

Even burning the American Flag is legal (protected by the 1st Amendment).

Butt I smile when I read stuff like this:

FLAG-BURNING RETALIATION MAY COME CHEAP

Martin Zabell CHICAGO TRIBUNE

With flag fever spreading throughout the U.S., trustees in southwest suburban Romeoville have come up with a radical way to protect Old Glory.

They unanimously passed a resolution Wednesday that, in essence, sanctions violence against flag defacers: Anyone convicted of assaulting a flag burner could be fined just $1.

The American Civil Liberties Union said there would almost certainly be a court challenge if a flag burner were beaten up in Romeoville.

Sometimes there's poetic justice:

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Now there a real "firey one".

 
 
 
Ender
4.2.5  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

I know I am in the minority yet, I have more respect for someone burning the flag over our countries own injustice than I do someone pissed off about it, blind to any injustice.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.6  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.4    2 weeks ago

I know it's legal to burn a damaged flag, and do I recall there is even a process of burial in that respect?  Sure, First Amendment rights can be invoked if you spit in someone's eye, and maybe even applied to protect the swastika graffiti vandals, but I'm talking about patriotism, not civil rights.

 
 
 
Ender
4.2.7  Ender  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.6    2 weeks ago

Burning a flag is actually proper disposal.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.8  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.6    2 weeks ago
First Amendment rights can be invoked if you spit in someone's eye

Nope, that's assault.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.9  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

I'm just a fucking sadist who believes in poetic justice.

I'm not "blind" to American assholiness.

I have frequently criticized American atrocities.

Our "original sin" was the genocide of Native Americans.

Then, of course, slavery sucked big time. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.10  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @4.2.5    2 weeks ago

@ Ender

I always thought it was a country's GOVERNMENT that was unjust, not a country.  I really don't think the Grand Canyon, Cape Cod, Yellowstone Park and the great Redwood forests are capable of being unjust, only a government, which is temporary by democratic nature, can be.  As I have said, in my opinion your anthem and your flag are symbols of your nation.

https://video.tudou.com/v/XOTQ2NTIxMDk2.html?spm=a2h0k.8191414.0.0&from=s1.8-1-1.2

Woody Guthrie singing "This Land is Your Land"

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.11  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @4.2.7    2 weeks ago
Burning a flag is actually proper disposal.

True.

Butt there are other options:

There are many ways to properly dispose of an American flag, including:

Ceremonial Flag Burning

Before you gasp at the thought (as I did before I read on in my research on this topic) According to Wikipedia, this method of burning is in no way haphazard or unpatriotic, rather it requires a specific ceremony, where the flag is folded (correctly,) laid on a bonfire and burned patriotically; while being saluted, or having someone at the burning ceremony recite the Pledge of Allegiance or sing the National Anthem.

This process is used mainly for individuals retiring their personal flags, at home. But what if you don’t feel comfortable burning your flag on your own? What if you don’t know how to properly fold a flag? (You can find that out here by the way) Or more logically…what if you simply can’t build a fire on your property? Another option is…

Flag Burial

To bury the flag, begin by finding a dignified wooden box – it should be of good quality and construction, as this box will serve as the flag’s vessel as it is interred in the ground.

Fold the flag correctly and respectfully, place it in the box and then bury it in the ground.

You may even consider giving a your flag short “funeral”. Give a speech on the importance of the flag then stand at attention as the flag is lowered into the ground. Observe a moment of silence as the flag is buried. You may even choose to mark the burial location with a small, patriotic marker.

Flag Shredding

You may also shred your flag. Shredding an American flag may seem violent but the US Army’s Heraldry institute assures that shredding is an acceptable disposal method, provided it is done with reverence.

Use a sharp scissors to slowly and accurately separate the thirteen stripes, leaving the blue star-spangled field intact.

After the flag is cut into pieces, place it in a respectful receptacle and bury it following the above procedures or ceremoniously burn the pieces one by one, starting with the stripes and ending with the blue field.

Flag Recycling

When the code for American Flag disposal was written, almost all flags were made of cloth or other natural fabrics. But today many flags are made from nylon, polyester, or artificial materials.

When burned, these modern materials produce toxic fumes that are harmful to the environment and your health. Be sure to check the material of your flag before you make the choice between burning or recycling.

Many Non Profit and Private organizations have been formed to recycle flags. Contact a group like American Flag Recycling or contact your local landfill or recycling processor for more information.

Give Your Flag to A Qualified Orginization

Specific United States government organizations offer services to conduct the ceremony to properly dispose of flags for no charge, upon request.

The American Legion , Veterans of Foreign Wars , Boy and Girl Scouts of America and the US Military all provide this service. If you don’t have access to any of these organizations, contact your city hall or local government.

https://americandisposal.com/blog/how-to-retire-an-american-flag/
 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.13  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.8    2 weeks ago
 "Nope, that's assault."

I know, I just came up with that to make a point, even vandals painting a swastika on a synagogue is probably illegal.

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.14  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.11    2 weeks ago

I didn't think burning the flag out of disgust and anger was considered proper disposal of a flag.  I think the rules apply to proper disposal.

From your quoted rules:

"...method of burning is in no way haphazard or unpatriotic, rather it requires a specific ceremony, where the flag is folded (correctly,) laid on a bonfire and burned patriotically..."

 
 
 
Ender
4.2.15  Ender  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.10    2 weeks ago

There can be social unrest. Imo the government has a role in laws, justice, ways of settling disputes. Even down to the local police force.

Change does not come from sitting on the bus where one is told.

 
 
 
Ender
4.2.16  Ender  replied to  al Jizzerror @4.2.11    2 weeks ago

I know a guy that collects unwanted flags, flags for disposal. He has bins set up at places like Sams club.

What he does is go through them and pick out any decent ones and give/donate them to someone that might want one. The rest they burn in a barrel. 

 
 
 
Buzz of the Orient
4.2.17  Buzz of the Orient  replied to  Ender @4.2.15    2 weeks ago

Ah, that was an interesting allegory.  I recall when I was 16 years old and was in Miami for Christmas Vacation, I got on a bus and sat at the back where I always liked to sit on buses, and the driver turned around and told me to sit at the front.  I refused, and he said he won't start the bus unless I come to the front, and since there were a lot of people on the bus looking at me I complied.  Of course that was a long time ago.

What I'm trying to say is why take it out on symbols of your country and disparaging the country you live in?  Hey, what has the Shenandoah Valley and the Catskill Mountains done to you?  Surely there are more accurate ways to protest your government.  Peaceful protests are valid forms, but not rioting and damaging private property and looting stores, but writing letters to the editors, forming rallies, posting ads, bulletin boards, etc. make sense, and in your case, elections are the way to change things.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
4.2.18  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Buzz of the Orient @4.2.17    2 weeks ago
Peaceful protests are valid forms, but not rioting and damaging private property and looting stores, but writing letters to the editors, forming rallies, posting ads, bulletin boards, etc. make sense, and in your case, elections are the way to change things.

Property damage is a crime.

Peaceful protests (and writing letters to the editors, forming rallies, posting ads, bulletin boards, etc.) are covered by the First Amendment.  In the video below, the cop committed a crime.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.2.19  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @4.2.16    2 weeks ago
unwanted flags, flags for disposal.

Lion's Clubs generally have bins out front for discarded prescription glasses and worn flags. 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.2.20  cobaltblue  replied to  katrix @4.2    2 weeks ago
I never really thought they'd go so far as to support treason, however. Even I am shocked by that.

Sad, isn't it. And Trump is one treasonous POS. He thrives on chaos and his supporters give it to him.

 
 
 
cobaltblue
4.2.21  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @4.2.15    2 weeks ago
There can be social unrest

I cannot begin to tell you how many friends who have served our country have gotten irate at Trump's insistence that kneeling football players be fired. They are all of the notion that they joined the military and all that it entails in order to protect the right of peaceful protest. That's what America is all about. We should not have an autocrat for a president. They joined to keep America safe from autocrats, despots and tyrants. And that's what we have in office now. An impossibly insecure and unforthcoming POS. 

 
 
 
JohnRussell
4.3  JohnRussell  replied to  JohnRussell @4    3 weeks ago
There are roughly 375

correction - should have been 400

 
 
 
Ender
5  Ender    3 weeks ago

Come on people. We all know it is smocking gun.

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @5    3 weeks ago
smocking gun.

Yep!

800

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  Ender @5    3 weeks ago
smocking gun.

Found it!

512

 
 
 
cobaltblue
5.3  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @5    3 weeks ago
We all know it is smocking gun.

Yeah, and it's now a moat point. 

 
 
 
Ender
5.3.1  Ender  replied to  cobaltblue @5.3    3 weeks ago

The only thing I can say to that is...covfefe

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
5.3.2  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @5.3    3 weeks ago
it's now a moat point

I remember when we joked about Trump's wall being electrified with a moat full of alligators at its base.

Alligators in the desert An absurd reckoning of Donald Trump’s border moat

The president wants his barrier to be as menacing as possible.

T he president frequently boasts that his Mexican border wall will be beautiful. “Border Wars: Inside Trump’s Assault on Immigration”, a new book by two journalists from the New York Times, suggests it will be menacing, too. The authors claim that Mr Trump asked his advisers about including a moat, infested with snakes or alligators. Aides have reportedly looked into the cost of such a deterrent.

https://www.economist.com/united-states/2019/10/05/an-absurd-reckoning-of-donald-trumps-border-moat

As it turns out Trump is the fucking joke.  But I still like the Monte Python solution:

 
 
 
cobaltblue
5.3.3  cobaltblue  replied to  al Jizzerror @5.3.2    2 weeks ago
I fart in your general direction

That's one of those amusing gentle insults. Another one is one I overheard: 'Jellyfish have survived a million years without brains or hearts. That should make some on the right feel better.' 

Jellyfish do not have brains. They don’t have a heart either. But jellyfish do have a very basic set of nerves at the base of their tentacles. These nerves detect touch, temperature, salinity etc.
 
 
 
cobaltblue
5.4  cobaltblue  replied to  Ender @5    2 weeks ago
smocking gun

Ugh. I hate people that smack their gum. Oh wait ... where are my reading glasses? 

 
 
 
cobaltblue
6  cobaltblue    3 weeks ago

Remember to thank Trump when he turns over the Senate and White House to democrats. He did a fine job handing over Congress to us. 

Lock him up! 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
6.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @6    3 weeks ago
Lock him up!

The idiot actually believes he can pardon himself.

Sure he can say "pardon me" when he farts (butt it still stinks).

Even if Trump receives a "Ford/Nixon type blanket pardon" from Pence, he will still face state charges in NY.

So, yeah:  LOCK HIM UP!

800

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
7  author  al Jizzerror    3 weeks ago

The original smoking gun was a whistle:

800

Butt, even though Trump has publicly confessed to soliciting help from foreigners (and, of course, foreign governments) there is a lot of whistling surrounding The Donald.

This is what D.C. sounds like now:

 
 
 
pat wilson
8  pat wilson    3 weeks ago

Get the whistle outa here, this is much nicer...

 
 
 
cobaltblue
9  cobaltblue    2 weeks ago

I think Trumplethinskin should keep talking and tweeting. He's putting the White House in a box for the left-leaners. I understand Giuliani is out of country looking for a big bow to wrap it up. 

Thank you, Trumplethinskin. Keep talking. Keep melting down. Since some right leaners support you, you won't be able to keep your lyin' traitorous trap shut. Thank you. One of the funniest moments in the last few days:

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"Check, please!!"

 
 
 
cobaltblue
10  cobaltblue    2 weeks ago

Oh my. Seems the call from some of the smarter Traitor-In-Chief's supporters is for him to resign .

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JohnRussell
10.1  JohnRussell  replied to  cobaltblue @10    2 weeks ago

Trump checks every one of these boxes

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cobaltblue
11  cobaltblue    2 weeks ago

And the dumb fucks are going to fall for it like they do every single time for this schmuck. He sells them plastic straws, he sells them foam bricks, and now he wants to sell them another t-shirt. He calls his supporters idiots every day in some form or fashion and they don't get it. Oh. My. Gawd. What a bunch of suckers. And where's the money going? Straight into the Traitor-In-Chief's coffers. He's actually charging them for their stupidity. 

Trump also proposed a new T-shirt to be sold by his campaign that would read, "Where's Hunter?" That was an apparent reference to Hunter Biden's lack of public appearances as his business dealings come under greater scrutiny.
"Let's do another t-shirt: Where's Hunter?" Trump said, prompting applause from the crowd.

Suckers. They deserve to be fleeced by the traitor. 

 
 
 
al Jizzerror
11.1  author  al Jizzerror  replied to  cobaltblue @11    2 weeks ago
"Let's do another t-shirt: Where's Hunter?" Trump said,

Tom Hanks has a new t-shirt:

800

 
 
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