Coronavirus Live Updates: As Governors Look to Reopen, Trump Encourages Anti-Restriction Protests
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At least 6,900 of the virus deaths in the U.S. are connected to nursing homes. Epidemiologists expect resurgent waves of infection that could last into 2022.
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President Trump posted tweets openly fomenting protests of virus restrictions in three states with Democratic governors, less than a day after advising governors to “call your own shots” on reopening.
Here’s what you need to know:
- Trump tweets to “LIBERATE” states where people are protesting virus restrictions.
- Trump and Cuomo spar over the federal response to the outbreak.
- At least 6,900 people in the U.S. living in or connected to nursing homes have died of the virus.
- Governors in Texas, Michigan, Wisconsin, Idaho and other states are looking to ease restrictions, despite inadequate testing.
- The lack of testing presents a serious challenge to reopening, health experts say.
- Doctors are prescribing hydroxychloroquine, but don’t know if it works.
- With social distancing difficult on ships, the crew of the Mercy, a Navy hospital, moves ashore.
Trump tweets to “LIBERATE” states where people are protesting virus restrictions.
President Trump on Friday began openly fomenting right-wing protests of social distancing restrictions in states where groups of his conservative supporters have been violating stay-at-home orders, less than a day after announcing guidelines for how governors could decide on an orderly reopening of their communities.
In a series of all-caps tweets, Mr. Trump declared “ LIBERATE MICHIGAN !” and “ LIBERATE MINNESOTA !” — two states whose Democratic governors have imposed social distancing restrictions that have shut down businesses and schools and forced people to remain at home. He also tweeted “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!”
Mr. Trump’s tweets were a remarkable example of a president egging on demonstrators. Earlier this week, more than 1,000 protesters organized by conservative groups created a traffic jam on the streets around the State Capitol in Lansing, Mich., to complain that the restrictions were bad for small businesses. Other protesters, not in vehicles, waved banners in support of Mr. Trump and protested Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, who has been a target of his ire, by chanting, “Lock her up.”
In St. Paul, Minn., a group calling itself “Liberate Minnesota” held a protest Friday in violation of stay-at-home orders in front of the home of Gov. Tim Walz. Hundreds showed up, according to news reports . The group’s Facebook page says that “now is the time to demand Governor Walz and our state legislators end this lock down!”
Mr. Trump’s tweets began just moments after a Fox News report by Mike Tobin, a reporter for the network, about protests in Minnesota and elsewhere. The report featured a protester from Virginia saying “those of us who are healthy and want to get out of our house and do business, we need to get this going again. It’s time.”
Ms. Whitmer had emerged as a critic — and a target — of Mr. Trump before his calls to liberate the state. “Right now the governor is focused on saving lives and protecting Michigan families,” a spokeswoman for the governor said on Friday. “As the governor has said, we’re not going to reopen Michigan’s economy via tweet.”
And when Gov. Ralph Northam of Virginia was asked about the president’s comment at a virus news briefing Friday, he said: “I do not have time to involve myself in Twitter wars.”
The message of support for those efforts from Mr. Trump is radically different from the one he delivered from the White House on Thursday evening. During a briefing for reporters, the president unveiled guidelines that governors could use to decide when it was safe to phase out restrictions to minimize the chance of a resurgence of the dangerous pathogen.
“We are not opening all at once, but one careful step at a time,” Mr. Trump said Thursday after telling governors earlier in the day that “you’re going to call your own shots.”
When he was asked about the protesters during Thursday’s briefing, the president expressed sympathy for the plight of people who are affected by the restrictions, saying that “it’s been a tough process for people. You know, I told you this: There’s death and there’s problems in staying at home too. It’s not just, ‘Isn’t it wonderful to stay at home?’ They’re having — they’re suffering.”
But he ducked the question of whether he would urge the protesters to listen to local authorities, adding that “I think they’re listening. I think they listen to me. They seem to be protesters that like me and respect this opinion. And my opinion is the same as just about all of the governors.”
The president’s decision to embrace the protests may be good politics for him. While large majorities of the country — including Republicans — are concerned about the dangers of reopening the country too quickly, that may not be the case for his most fervent supporters. Among very conservative voters, sixty-five percent said they were more worried about reopening too slowly, according to a Pew Research Center poll released on Thursday.
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You just keep thinking that, MISTER trmp
... a POS/POTUS that sits around watching FOX on TV all day, before going on his own daily non-reality show in the afternoon. wtf? when did I die and go to hell?
November 8, 2016
I read an article today about the groups promoting these protests. it's a who's who of right wing extremists and whack jobs.
It's the Proud Boys, isn't it?
Wasn't that a great day?
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why would someone wear a joker mask to that rally the other day? or an anarchist mask? or wave a confederate flag?
if all they want to do is go outside
Do you have a link to that article?
I keep hearing liberals screech about confederate flags being flown at the rally In Michigan, but I have seen a large amount of footage of the rally but never spotted one. Maybe you can show some video of your claim...and make sure the video, or whatever you show, is really from the Michigan protest.
It seems to be true.
OK I admit they (maybe it) was displayed and was pretty stupid to do.
However, one person does not make an entire rally.
oops. I guess the truth hurts some trumpsterthinskins.
Actually bugsy if you check out the article and the other photos you'll see one that insinuates that the governor is a Nazi and one that is of the Proud Boys. Not a group that most Americans would want to be associated with.
the same types of cretins were flying swastikas at charlottesville. hard to revise history when there's cameras around.
not handy, I'm running errands today. but it's out there on the MSN news collection.
like the one FOX had a few years ago that showed palm trees in Michigan?
So someone gave back what the left has been calling Trump supporters for 4 years. Stupid, isn't it?
huh?
I suppose that we could play a back and forth game all day long. Not much point in it for me since I don't call people left or right Nazi's. And anyone that carries a sign insinuating that the governor is a Nazi should be condemned. Simple as that for me.
As for the Michigan Proud Boys, I would think that anyone with half a brain would condemn them on the spot. They are a far-right neo fascists group that promotes political violence.
The governors new restrictions are quite fascist like.
I won't even ask you which 'new restrictions' you are talking about because I'm pretty fucking sure your just pulled that from your nether regions.
While I agree that those individuals are the scum of the Earth. Many on the left try to tar all on the right with the same brush. That includes some folks here on NT. Don't hey me wrong, there are those on the far right are equally guilty of the same. All people doing such need to be equally called out.
One governer's new restrictions are an overreach and that was due to interparty fighting, which is nothing new. To use the word fascist is an insult to anyone who died under true fascists, which would include my family.
And that is the problem with these dog whistle terms like the President used and you just did. They are meant to incite.
Ed,
You have been nothing but reasonable and a gentleman since you have been on the site. As a non partisan, I have not really spoken out much about Trump. He won the election fair and square and although I didn't like him in particular, I was dealing with at least 4 years. And I also agree with you that both sides paint with a broad brush.
But today's tweets were just over the top, especially given all the misery this disease has given us. To use it as political fodder is unforgivable.
Our words mean something. I think that is one thing we can all agree with.
And I won't bother informing you. [Deleted]
Give me a break Perrie. The left has been using the virus as political fodder since day one. And my last comment, I didn't realize this was the if I don't like your comment I'll delete it while my fellows take cheap shots at you group.
here you go
I agree.
gosh, who would know better about that type of practice in a group?
There haven't been any 'new restrictions' in Michigan since last month.
What does that have to do with my comment? Unless you're trying to say that the governor of Michigan is a member of the Proud Boys or a fascist. Either way, it was a very stupid comment.
... it takes a little while for their leaders to get them amped up and organized
In what way?
And an EXTENDED definition of 'recent'.
That reads like a who's who of right wing nutjobs.
Gotta laugh at these so called 'freedom fighters' that are corporate funded.
tools, squared.
I covered those abuses of the citizens of Michigan in my seed about the protests against them.
One of the best ever as it turned out. The day America was saved.
Bravo! 👍👏
First of all, what are you talking about here:
We are talking about how the President of the United States is behaving, not just some guy. He is supposed to be the person who has the dignity to lead and keep the country together during a terrible situation. If you can't see the difference, I can't explain it. And for the record, both parties have been using this as political fodder, but for the most part, our governors of both parties have not. Kudos to all of them, as they have been acting in the best interest of their people.
As I see it, Trump's desperate. He sees Biden's numbers overtaking his, and he will stoop to the lowest level to try to rescue the possibility of his re-election. He will continue to point fingers, blame, stir up partisan conflict, seek headlines from his actions like blaming the WHO,and that since that didn't get a big enough bang he defunded the WHO (thinking that made him an "America First" hero), and if he loses enough support with his conflict with the governors who are fighting for the health of their constituents I woudn't be surprised if he were stupid enough to invade China. I don't think he will, because he probably knows that most of his supporters haven't installed their fallout shelters yet.
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They are gathering here, many without masks and IMO should be disbursed and fined. Their second amendment rights end when it endangers the health of the public.
Dulay, do you live in Michigan? I do. The woman is a facist. Michiganders cant even go to a store and buy things they want. She is luterally telling me what i can shop for at Walmart. Tellong michiganders they cant go to their cabins up north, cant operate motorized boats. The list goes on. This is america last i checked. Im surprised it took this long for people to start protesting. This is unamerican. Literally the only areas in Michigan having issues are detroit and livonia. The rest of the state is not under pressure. This is a massive over reach
This is absolutely disgraceful!
REMEMBE
R, THIS?
Bullshit Xx.
You can't defend your comment IN THIS SEED by citing even ONE 'recent' 'fascist' restriction by Michigan's governor and you know it.
I know this because unlike you, I have reviewed the Executive orders signed by the Governor of Michigan over time. NONE of them were signed 'recently' and NONE of them are Unconstitutional. All you need do is ask Johnathan Turley who has stated as much in multiple Op/Eds.
Is it really true people can't buy seeds or seedlings so they can start their gardens?
I don't understand not being allowed to use a motorized boat, either.
Trout,
Here is the article from a Mich paper explaining the restrictions.
Her restrictions are ridiculous. I'm glad I don't live in MI. At least here in AR, we can get a new roof, plant a garden, paint, and mow the lawn.
Seeding plants and painting inside would be good things for people to do while staying in
Absolutely! And all those other home projects people want to do.
Mr. Giggles has the week off and his first trip was to Home Depot to look for a flowering plant for the deck. Then he's doing yard work
After reading that I am kind of starting to agree.
Now is the perfect time for home improvements.
I just read it said stores cannot advertise certain things. Almost impossible. They would have to stop most commercials from airing.
Also landscaping being barred. I would think, what about maybe an elderly couple that rely on a service to have their yard mowed and trimmed.
The rest of it sounds like everywhere else.
Now I see why some gun nuts are pissed. Can't shoot at a range or buy a new weapon. I say boo hoo to that though. Like most gun nuts don't already have an arsenal.
Bullshit. No she 'literally' is NOT. Walmarts are open for business in Michigan. Just STOP!
Do you think that the UP wants people to come there and 'share'?
The Department of Natural Resources on Friday said the ban on motorized boats was an attempt to "reduce the movement of, and contact among, people" to slow the virus spread.
"The DNR has received many reports about heavy use of boat launches across the state and the subsequent congregation of people at these launches in violation of social distancing requirements, and in a manner that threatens public health," the DNR wrote on its website Friday.
More bullshit. In fact, Berrien and other 'Harbor' counties have many cases.
The Walmarts are restricted on what items they can sell in Michigan just like he said.
"In Michigan , the ban specifically stated that stores more than 50,000 square feet must close areas dedicated to carpeting, flooring, furniture, garden centers, plant nurseries, and paint . For reference, the average Walmart supercenter is roughly 180,000 square feet."
Hey, how DARE you introduce facts to the discussion instead of bleating some left-wing nonsense??
The defense of left wing crackpottery always comes from the usual sources here. All day long and into tomorrow
Wouldn't it make more sense to close down those areas in stores that are less than 50K sq ft?
Yeah, I think the MI governor is petty tyrant
None of those items are essential items per the Governors order. Walmart screwed up on the car seat.
BTW, WHO buys flooring, carpet, plants and paint from Walmart?
Nice of you to decree what other people should and shouldn’t buy and where. By the way, booze isn’t essential either. Why is that not excluded?
Terrible of you to misrepresent what I said in a failed attempt at snark.
Wouldn't that just be another thing to whine about?
you spelled wine wrong.
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i'd predict true liberation protests and a damn revolt if they with hold 'booze' , and a Hell of a lot ot them ,
booing about no boozing
with me at the lead !
Swing and miss .... twice. Care to try for strike three?
For my part I for one don’t defend all of Whitmers rules. She started out great then must have got the word she had to go full retard if she wanted to be considered for the VP slot when her rules starting doing the funky chicken.
Sad, sad indeed.
Yeah booze is okay.
We don’t have a gambling or alcohol abuse problem in this country but we do apparently have a motor boat and outdoor goods problem .......
i'll drink to that, and ill bet you however much you want, i don't havea gambling problem.
Now for the people attempting to spread their lawn supplies with motor boats...
i'd have to bet they'd blame it on the booze.
Sparty,
If anything I think her handling of things would disqualify her to Biden. I have no idea why you would think that. Personally, I think she just doesn't get how to deal with her legislature and took it out on the people, which is really dumb on her behalf. I doubt she will get re-elected.
More irrelevant nonsense but SOSDD considering ......
perhaps if she was up for election in 2020 but 2022 is a long ways down the road.
I wouldn’t bet on it.
As for the VP slot, she had no idea how people were going to react. Virtually no one had a problem until she came up with Whitmer 2.0.
We can agree that she misjudged her electorate very badly on that one. Perhaps because she was encouraged by the lack for reaction to 1.0. Who knows.
yep, but it is to be expected when dealing with Trumop defenders
How could she have no idea? Even here in NY, the worst hit state in the nation we don't have these regulations. So that now makes her toxic. And I don't think it was because of 1.0. Cuomo has had the same standing rules and is trying to think of ways to get us out of this as quickly as possible. I think she got her panties in a twist when she asked for 70 days and her legislature said no, and I don't blame them. This is a see as you go situation.
I feel bad for you folks. What she did is just nuts.
All I can say is that it's lucky that all the snowflakes whining about not being able to use their motorized boats or buy booze or of all things paint, weren't around during WWII when restrictions and rationing effected every American for YEARS.
No lights visible at night, gas rationing, NO tires or meat or, or, or.
It isn't surprising that my mom looks as the 'stay at home' order as just another bump in the road. She's been through FAR worse.
It's coming out into the world of ignorant or just plain stupid morons trying to pretend that they're invincible, while threatening the lives of everyone they come in contact with that worries her.
Perhaps the DNR in NY didn't call the Governor to tell him that morons all over the state were hanging out at the boat ramps, shooting the shit and ignoring the social distancing protocol.
Or maybe NY has enough DNR deputies to police every boat ramp in the state to ensure that morons don't put people at risk.
There are local reasons for the specific orders, just as there are local reasons to start opening up earlier than NY or even NYC.
We are dreading the fact that my wife will be required to go back to work on May 1st. If she refuses, we loose our insurance. Both of us are over 60 and have underlying conditions. We know for a fact that her employer won't be furnishing N95 masks. Surgical masks don't protect the wearer. We doubt that her employer or the state will require customers to wear masks. In February, on any given Saturday, there were 1000 people at her place of employment. They have 5 restaurants and also have live entertainment and hold concerts and sporting events.
No worries...
Well, this goes to show that there is always another side of the story to be told, which I tried to get to the bottom of, in a different article and you were not part of the discussion there.
I am sorry to hear of your woes. I know that most NYers are being very careful and that our gov will open the state carefully, since we are just getting past the worst of it. I wish you well.
Well Gee if only that was the reason she disallowed it but it isn't. She banned it because people have to get gas, You have to buy gas to go to the park and walk as she suggest. She banned lawn maintenance because they have to buy gas. her excuses not mine. It's nice of you to way in on something you obviously know nothing about.
Oh and BTFW you can still launch your row boat or your kayaks at launches just not motorized so obviously people congregating didn't have a damn thing to do with it.
Only to the very deluded .....
I laid one possibility out.
Stranger things have been misjudged in politics where arrogance and partisan one-upsmanship abounds.
Weigh, My bad wouldn't want the constitutional scholars to get hung up on spelling..
Okay folks, this situation is your object lesson on leftist elitism if you choose to recognized it for what it is.
The ridiculousness of some of Whitmers "rules" is completely lost on them because they must conform no matter what.
This is where many on the left would take us if they had a chance.
Make no mistake about it.
That said i find it hilarious when internet badasses lecture this former Marine about being tough enough.
Hilarious as hell!
Nice try.
So kayakers and canoeist don't hang around boat launches? Only motor boaters?
Do you realize how ridiculous you are sounding right now?
Yet it wasn't funny enough to keep you from internalizing my characterization.
Not as ridiculous as someone who thinks that kayakers and canoeists NEED to use boat launches.
You need to work on your deflection technique .... they are getting weaker and weaker.
Kayakers and canoeist use boat ramps all the time. I am one of them.
In our area we have boat ramps SPECIFICALLY for just canoes and kayaks.
Just let it go ....
So how do they get on the lake for Christ sakes. I know some people think they can just violate peoples personal property to fulfill their needs but that isn't what most people feel that live around the lake, hence why they would have a boat launch. How the hell you think you access a river? just walk thru someone's backyard, that is the whole purpose of launch sites so you can have access to lakes and rivers with your kayaks, canoes, rowboats or even the banned motorized boat.
Give up already.
What? You mean you don't just park in someones driveway and haul your gear down to the lake?
Yep, Casey Cowell just loves it when we do that at his house .....
I had someone last year pull up on my clients dock I caretake for, I'm sorry I forgot you don't know anything about that, but anyhow they get out and people file off and start going to the bathroom all over their yard, I was like wtf you doing....I'm guessing they were from Indiana.
Lol .... i got it.
I understand the concept of caretaking. I don't however understand the concept of allowing out of state caretakers to "caretake" and not the actual "in state" owners if they so choose.
Thats the batshittery that i speak of ......
I am close to finishing painting my kitchen. I have more projects lined up and my DIY Center is fully operational.
Perhaps Trump and his administration should work shoulder to shoulder with the front line health care workers. They might better understand what we are up against.
What ridiculous tweets....
MAGA - Many Assholes Garnering Attention.
fox news was promoting it too. Acting like it was a major part of the population yet when polled most of the population was worried about opening too early.
90% for staying closed
unfortunately that leaves 3 million protesters
That's a lot of hospital beds.
meh, governors in blue states can use their voting rolls to non-prioritize treatment for protesters. sane people get ventilators in the hospital, trumpsters get $10 aquarium air pumps from amazon.
They can wear their MAGA hats while intubated.....
In response to Fauci calling for caution, Fox News asked Dr. Phil what we should do. Like a TV psychology huckster is the person to ask.
Ok, that was funny, but I honestly believe that the hats have to come off...and all their clothes. I've seen my mom on a ventilator and she didn't have a stitch except for a thin sheet to cover her
WTF does Doc Phil know about epidemiology? Did he go back to school and add an MD on to his name?
Jack shit.
I read about that. That piece of shit was basically saying people are going to die, so what.
Then there was that one I now call an idiot dr oz. Said we should consider sacrificing 2 - 3% of the nations children in order to get back to normal life.
I saw the Dr. Oz thing, too. Now he's backpedaling.
I've thought he was an idiot for years.
But he could sell a million copies of book about it in a New York minute
Probably so. That says a lot about his readership.
Dr. Shill
I totally support the protests to encourage governors to restart the economy of the country.
Pregnant women being infected with coronavirus puts their fetuses at risk. I'm surprised you'd support such a thing.
He would support anything puked out by the Republicans no matter how deadly.
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Dr Schil is definitely not the guy to ask about anything, unless he thinks he can make money off it! I would not trustt that guy to walk my dog...
...and are there enough cemeteries?
Or you can just go the chinese route and stack urns up by the thousands at crematoriums.
He knows more than Trump does.
A lot of empty urns? - empty urns are very common here. They're everywhere. These are on a university campus across from where we live.
By the way, if you can't show a photo of the huge number of empty urns outside of a crematorium or funeral home, then you are just repeating a deliberate lie meant to discredit China. No surprise for that on my part.
With all due respect and no offense, but it seems to me that China has already done more than their fair share of discrediting themselves in the eyes of the world.
Exactly my point.
Why don't they help end the "Shelter In Place" by helping with the removal of bodies from Nursing Homes, or, spraying down sidewalks an streets with disinfectants, instead of playing "FAKE SOLDIERS" and walking around without masks, and ARMED AUTOMATIC WEAPONS?
These are not protestors, they are Trump's paid Advance Gestapo Force.
Your, and Freedom Warrior's, comments are great examples of toeing the anti-China line, and it's laughable that I've been criticized when in fact I DON'T toe the CCP line. If I was at all worried about it, I would not have dared to have posted on this site my criticism of the government's silencing of the doctors and covering up the truth, WHICH I DID MANY TIMES. Hey, how come I'm not detained in a "Black Jail"?
Nah, not even close for China.
It pales in comparison to the Great Leap Forward.
Mao killed tens of millions in that one.
I am sorry if you felt that I was criticizing you or your comments as that was not my intent. I was merely stating a personal opinion. As far as "toeing my party's line" I am a registered Independent and not a member of either the Republican or Democratic parties. Any criticism I have is solely toward the CCP, not the Chinese people and not of you or anything you said. If you feel that I did and I offended I offer my most humble apologies.
I don't think that most of those deaths were deliberate. I think it was mismanagement during a famine, because most of the deaths were due to starvation. However the usual opinion, because of the ongoing fear and hatred of Coimmunism, is bound to prevail.
I apologize for misreading your comment and for wording my comment badly. I have revised my comment accordingly. It now doesn't indicate that YOU have criticized me, but that I have been unfairly criticized generally.
I agree but they most all were a direct result of the communist parties policies and therefore were caused by the communist system. Nothing else to blame really. And starving to death? What an awful way for tens of millions of people to die. Tens of millions ...... that number staggers the mind by any standard.
Sorry Buzz but revisionist history doesn’t sit well with me at all.
Is cremation a tradition in China?
I think that's a tradition that ought to catch hold here. I want to be cremated then planted with a tree
Not so much traditional but probably relatively common due to not being too much space for cemeteries, especially in big cities. Regular burials are therefore still carried out, and more recently there have been sea burials.
I'm not surprised at all.
You got that right! America doesn't need to be made great again, it's always been a great country. It's just that some of the people in it are missing several marbles and a bit of brain matter between their ears. And most of them have an (R) by their name.
America was never great, just powerful.
Thankfully our founders gave us many rights.
Trashing a sitting president for good reason is one.
Here is where I am torn.
Nothing was ever great about coming to a land and trying to destroy the native inhabitants. Nothing was great about slavery. Nothing was great about greed and injustice.
Yet still there was an unmistakable idea if not ideal. Sadly some people seem to forget original ideals. Like all men are created equal.
Maybe not for you, but, you are not speak for all Americans. For many people America is and has been great in many ways other than just powerful. And America has not always been that powerful.
As for trashing a sitting President? Yes, as he is nothing but white trash, a depraved and unapologetic adulterer, liar, and racist. Just to name a few of his 'ass-ets'
So yeah....he is unfit for anything but an extra large trash can.
Trump does not want to understand anything. He wants to be a DICK - TATER, like is buddy Putin. No, SHAT!
In the county just south of me in Virginia, the county seat had a one-day jump of over 100 confirmed positives, due to an outbreak in a nursing home. We are not ready to reopen.
I'm a business owner. There is nothing I'd like better than to get back to business as normal. But for now, it's just not safe. I'll go in for emergencies, without staff, and do what I can to keep my patients from clogging up the ERs with dental emergencies. But I won't endanger my staff, their families, or patients who only need routine care by opening up fully, before it's safe to do so.
Arkansas has close to 1700 today. I foresee 2000 by the end of the weekend.
And officially they won't shut down but I just talked to a client in Charleston and they have laid off people because people are staying home voluntarily, even in AR.
We are at about 3,800.
Wow. I'm amazed that MS has twice the number we do in AR
We have 7,491 in Virginia, as of yesterday at 5 PM. There are 33 positives in my county. The town I mentioned had 100 yesterday (based on numbers reported Wednesday at 5). They now have 214. Because my town is pretty small, lots of folks go there to shop. They have a Costco (we don't) and several grocery stores that are generally better stocked and carry higher quality goods than we can buy here. So it would not be difficult for it to spread north to us, carried by people who go there looking for items they can't find here.
We, (Florida) is at 24,000 plus cases and it's adding 500 to 1000 per day.
Florida does not count people that died here and were not residents. One of the newspapers did a count and as of last week it was 40...
Our total currently is 686.
Yep. Over 500 here on the coast. Just yesterday there was 169 new cases and 11 deaths.
I just heard some guy in Florida saying they were going to open the beaches back up.
I saw that headline. Can't remember which newspaper it was.
Gov DeSantis wanted to open FLA back up but the Jacksonville mayor beat him to it
Great for Mayor Curry. There are quite a few restrictions when opening these beaches and they are only open a total of I think 7 or 8 hours, when sunbathing is not ideal, and towels, coolers, chairs are not allowed. You can fish, but you have to stand while doing it. No putting a stake in the sand to hold your pole then chill in a chair.
Also, no more than 10 people and you still have to abide by social distancing.
If you fail to comply with the rules, first infraction is educating, second is a warning and third could be a ticket or arrest.
Mayor Curry and the beach mayors are doing this right. Slowly and methodologically.
The Mayor of Jacksonville did open the beaches with limited hours and limited activities.
DeSantis wants to open all beaches no limits. Oh course he was finally forced to close the beaches at a very late date when the mayors of beach towns closed the beaches.
Thank you for the facts, Kavika
Do you have a reliable link for that?
It was on a local radio station here in north-central FL.
And there have been claims that some of the states have been padding their numbers. Where does the count go for all those dead NYers or Canadians?
So someone's opinion?
I don't know, I emailed the governor's office asking if it was true. I have not heard back from them. If I do I'll let you know.
Quite possibly because those people came here with the virus and did not contract it here. Remember how New Yorkers, New Jersey and Connecticut made a beeline for Florida when those states closed down? Also, in order to not count the same person twice, there is a good chance the state where the person came from is counting the death, so Florida does not need to.
During the governor's brief today, he specifically said that if the beach cities want to open, they have to meet certain criteria and keep certain restrictions in place. I believe St John's county is opening tomorrow but only from something like 6am to noon and no afternoon times.
He did mention that there was discussion of Broward, Miami and Palm Beach opening sometime but he said they are nowhere near ready since they are the biggest percentage of cases in the state, and that is where most of the spring breakers went (came from other states) to possibly cause their numbers to rise.
I suppose that is possible. Hopefully, it is but it would be good to know what the actual truth is.
Yes, St. John's county is opening tomorrow with restrictions.
As for the southern beaches, I have a number of friends from Port Saint Lucy to Miami and at this point, none of them want the beaches open.
There were a large number of spring breakers at the Tampa Bay beaches, many from Texas and the last I heard I think it was 10 that tested positive.
Floridians are smart enough to know when not to do something stupid. If a mayor decides to open a beach and the population does not think it is a good idea then n o one will go as an overabundance of caution.
I have a sister that lives in Palm Beach and she said there is no way they are ready to open anything.
However, my mom lives with my little sister in Callahan. My sis ter put her in quarantine about a month ago and my mom is itching to drive to West Virginia to visit her sister. I give her another week and she is gone.
Let me add a word to that...Most Floridians are smart enough to know when not to do something stupid...
Yeah, it's easy to get dancing feet, but it's best to be very careful especially if you're in the over 65 groups or with an underlying condition.
good chance of that happening. try talking some sense into her.
It was even shown on CGTN (the Chinese English 24\7 cable news station here). I shook my head - in a state where so many elderly people live and visit, endangering their lives means nothing.
Did the english language CCP channel tell you that only the elderly are allowed to go to the beach?
Maybe they did not inform you of the restrictions in place to ensure the safety of everyone. No sitting on the beach, no coolers, no chairs, only walking, biking or fishing while standing. Florida beaches are not little squares that fit only a few people. The city where these beaches are openinig is a city of about 700,000 and is the largest city in area in the country.
There is plenty of room to ensure social distancing. In addition, the elderly know how to make their own decisions, unlike in China where their decisions are made for them, so if they don't feel safe, they will not go out.
I was just being sarcastic, forgot the s/.
She is getting antsy but she isn't going anywhere. She knows better.
No, I did not know of those restrictions, and I get my news from American media as well. Unless you live in Florida, I probably know Florida and its beaches better than you, as I spent many Christmas vacations there on both coasts, and shared with my brother ownership of a golf condo at Hollywood, Florida, for a few years, where I spent a lot of my time.
Too bad for you I was born and raised in Florida, and continue to live here, so your "I think maybe" scenario is moot..
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Yea...especially when they say they only have visited certain areas, but because of that, they are geographic and cultural experts based on only the one or two visits.
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I just read the new Fox News article on the opening of the Jacksonville Beach, and saw a number of photos in it but could hardly see an elderly person among the crowds. Not only that, NOBODY was wearing a mask. I did read there what the imposed restricitons were. I hope that those restrictions are complied with and that they work out for you.
I'll bet there are some NT members who are really surprised that I access and read Fox News here. Contrary to their belief, I don't live in a government-imposed cocoon.
Why is that too bad for me? Was it not good enough for you that I posted the caveat that implied that you would know better than I would if you lived there? Was it really necessary for you to take a shot? And yet you wonder why I think that some replies I get are vicious? Maybe individually they aren't, but having to weather them day after day from so many, maybe they start to build up.
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Let me ask you this...
If the truth truly does come out, with scientific evidence backed up by many countries, that the virus may or may not have gotten out of the Wuhan lab and a poor sap unknowingly took it to the wet market where he/she infected many other people, and the Chinese government covered it up for months, would you finally agree that the US and Trump was right in their accusations?
Why did China shut down Wuhan from the rest of China but let those citizens continue to travel around the world?
Open air...on a beach...with a nice breeze blowing. Everybody there was keeping the 6 foot distance with the exception of those that are couples or families, but if any of them had the virus, they would probably had passed it to the others already.
One of the stories here on local web sit has a picture at 6pm when the beach was closed and 9 minutes later. Jacksonville citizens are abiding by the rules given by the mayor and will continue to do so.
Thanks to the "Stable Genius", the Red States are riding the Red COVID19 Wave to the top of the charts.
We folks chose "STUPID" over science they always pay a heavy price. In case you have not notice, Trump is STUPID!
True. But, it is the people of America that pay the price of this stupidity and arrogance.
A photo on the Jacksonville article I posted showed a much more crowded beach.
Because there is no such age restriction. Do these people look 'elderly' to you Buzz?
I wish you lived close to me. I have a toothache from hell and can't get seen for at least two weeks. I am using vodka and orajel for pain management, but I am at my wit's end right now. It gets so bad some times that I just sit on my porch and cry. I am close to pulling the tooth myself.
Will your dentist call in an antibiotic for you? It might hold you over until you can get in. It's not ideal, but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
I wonder how many of these 'protesters' will get the virus.
He has the nerve to say that Governors can and will do what they deem necessary then goes on to attack them. Then the republicans have the nerve to say Dems are politicizing it. Hypocrites, every single one.
He is an idiot and we are idiots if he gets reelected.
I read where his actual base is only like 20 to 30 percent of the population. He does not speak for the majority.
Open your eyes people, we can do better.
So basically he is calling for insurrection. Violence being promoted by the highest office in the country. How very presidential.
Sick really, and some cheer him on.
How very treasonous.
What happened to states rights? He talks out of both sides of his mouth, and I have put up with it till now. People are dying and all he cares about is getting people back to work so he can get re-elected.
He's all for states' rights, so long as they choose to do as they're told. Because he thinks he has "absolute authority".
You know he knows nothing about the Constitution or even US History. States rights? I doubt he's even heard of those.
I like how he backed off earlier this week about how he has total authority. However, I think he's going to forget that he told the governors to lead their states and come back with vengeance on that dick-tater attitude.
Could you imagine if Obama had acted anywhere close to how he does? They would have stormed the Whitehouse and deported him. Would have had a complete meltdown.
Yet these same people cheer on his nasty rhetoric.
I see complete double standards all around.
Hell they were ready to do that all that just because he wore a brown suit!
... it's big enough...
I thought whataboutisms are big bad no nos in liberal land.
I sees what I sees....
Yea cuz only Trump supporters can do that. "What about Hillary? What about Bill? What about Biden?"
Maybe you sees wrong?
Maybe some wear blinders.
You don't seem to understand. When a lib cries about something Trump does, we simply point out (many times, I might add), that Obama, or whatever D you want to put in there, was guilty of doing the same thing.
That is when libs screech about whataboutisms. I never said Trump supporters don't do it.
They sure do...but mainly only the left one.
Says the guy that has not once actually made a comment about the seed. Only to attack them dern Liberal comments.
How do you know I'm a guy? Hell, there are three posters on here where I thought they were the opposite sex that they really are. You never can tell.
Spoiler alert...I'm a guy.
BTW...I respond to comments...not attack them.
Yes, I heard he wants all fifty capitols in smoke.
There's no need for hyperbole
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I get up and go to work every day in a building with approx 3000 people. Many of them have been sent home because of age or underlying conditions. But that leaves many of us still coming in every day. I do it gladly. Do I wish I could work from home? It might be nice for awhile, but then it would get old.
So....tell me again how I'm one of the "fuck off and stay there" club
Then why is it being promoted by the left on this seed?
No, he wants governors that he doesn't like out! And I am sorry when you show up at a statehouse wearing firearms, that is a very distinct message and that is who he is saying: “ LIBERATE MICHIGAN !” and “ LIBERATE MINNESOTA !” “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment, while they chant in Michigan, "Lock her up". There is your hyperbole. It comes from the President.
Now I have kept my mouth shut about him for the past 4 years. But when you are talking about endangering the public welfare that is where I draw the line. My state has been devastated by this virus, and to him, we are just numbers.
Sad to say, some don't care what he says because whatever trump says or does is just fine and damn the consequences.
Donald Trump has ALWAYS had a particular point of view . Support the "right" the Fox News, Breitbart, Limbaugh, Bundyist, right, and pocket that 35-40% of the vote, and try to get enough independents to vote for you because they like "the economy" and dont care about the rest.
Part of solidifying that base is what he is doing about the virus. Attacking blue state governors, giving preferred attention to red state governors. He is pretty blatant about it because he knows Americans are largely apathetic.
Maybe he went the ol bridge too far this time.
I saw Trump single handedly put Cuomo in a head lock, slam him to the ground and demand he open New York TODAY....RIGHT NOW...
Wait...no I didn't.
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That's politics and they're all dirty. Where's the violence chat? You seem to be the one fostering it.
He’s given your state a lot of help to compensate for the incompetence of the governor and mayor over the years they’ve been in office.
But....but....that's all they know how to do.
Me? I'm sorry Squiggy, I didn't tweeting LIBERATE MICHIGAN !” and “ LIBERATE MINNESOTA !” “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. President Trump did. There is a long history of using the word liberate and overturning a government. He could have expressed himself in any other way, but he chose those dog whistle terms. You can't pass that off as just dirty politics during a pandemic. You are supposed to act in a dignified way and keep the calm not make more unrest. But that is what he did.
And sorry your meme doesn't apply this time. No one is twisting his words. He chose them. I hope ALL Americans remember them.
That's politics and they're all dirty
Sorta like "locker room talk" right ?
Tell your side that when they over react to every last damn thing Trump tweets or says.
Hyperbole is all anyone ever engages in. Stop trying to act like it is one sided.
Better still know when someone is bluntly pointing it out.
My governer makes a point of saying daily that this should not be politicized. Just today he said a house divide can not stand. The President is supposed to be saying that. He is supposed to be unifying not divisive. This is the first President to do that during a national disaster.
It took this pandemic to show me how low he can go.
Tell me that Trump has withdrawn from re-election and I will stop commenting on him.
At least he doesn't threaten to beat people up like Fredo does.
Please show where anyone on the right is calling for violence? Is the concept of peaceful protests and civil disobedience coming from the right an alien one? Or is the violence going to come from blue state governors resorting to force to put down peaceful protests they call an insurrection?
let's see some pictures of peaceful protests on the left where the participants are armed
Or said:
It's not like he hasn't done it before because he has.
I guess I am flabbergasted. I thought that maybe he saw the light by leaving it in the hands of the governors who know better how far along their timeline is, BUT then THEN.....this shit.
My governor has on more than one occasion stood up against Trump and will again. When it comes to CA reopening, we rely on our governor to set the guidelines, not the two year old playing president.
Right on!! I rather listen to someone who cares more about the people of his state than the cry baby in the Oval office who only cares about his re-election.
The sick irony is that Trump's refusal to help with testing = less testing and in some cases a lowering of the rise in "new cases".
How the hell does Trump expect the state health labs, which are notoriously underfunded, to test MILLIONS more Americans? Perhaps he doesn't and that plays into his 'see it's disappearing' talking points.
There is nothing new about any of this. I wrote an article 4 or 5 days ago saying that Trump would talk out of both sides of his mouth about this. His number one thing in life, other than conning people out of money, is to avoid blame. Since he is a malignant narcissist it only makes sense that in his mind he must always be blameless.
IF he were to either take strong actions as president and it failed to properly address the pandemic OR if he did nothing and things went bad , he might be blamed. His course in his diseased mind is to walk down both sides of the street at once.
He wants any credit that might come from fighting the virus without any chance of blame. He wants a win win for himself. He cant take the lead and have a win win set up.
He laid the responsibility on the governors yesterday afternoon, washed his hands of responsibility you might say, and less than 24 hours later he is on twitter promoting the opposite of what the governors want to do .
He's not for for office. Hopefully enough people on NT will admit that by election day, which will be the last chance to get rid of him.
It is nice to see people here put him down though. Its past time.
Nooooooooo. There will be the Ventilator Investigation, the N95 Inquiry and the Misappropriation of WHO Funding to wade through.
why are you babbling at me?
Don't forget the "why did he build so many hospitals, man them all, then make them not be used like the governors said they were going to be needed"
That has to be a front and center investigation for Shitty Schiff because.....
Of course.....Orange Man Bad....
Yesterday, Trump said he was leaving it to the governors to decide when the "science" made it time to reopen their states. He admitted they are in the best position to do so.
Today he is trying to instigate trouble on that very score, saying the states need to be liberated now, undercutting what he said yesterday.
How stupid do you think the American people are?
Trump's approval on Gallup fell 6 pts in 2 weeks.
Where did he say "Open the states right now"
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"Trump's approval on Gallup fell 6 pts in 2 weeks"
Gallup is unreliable for anything Trump.
In a series of all-caps tweets, Mr. Trump declared “ LIBERATE MICHIGAN !” and “ LIBERATE MINNESOTA !” —
Are you trying to claim that liberate doesnt mean open?
liberate - set (someone) free from a situation , especially imprisonment or slavery, in which their liberty is severely restricted.
Exactly what it means. Blue states are being far more restrictive than they probably need to be. People don't like to be told they can't go into a wal mart and are not able to purchase a lawn mower because the governor does not think you need it.
Trump said YESTERDAY that it was the governors decision. Yesterday.
Is he mentally ill?
It IS the governor's decision, but there is no need to overdo it because you want to be VP.
People only want to go back to work to be able to pay bills and feed their family. They don't want to go most liberal and rely on the government.
Lets say he acts like a snake in the grass and leave it at that.
Trump supporters worship the pos, so there will never be a meeting of the minds.
"Are you trying to claim that liberate doesnt mean open? "
Maybe he just doesn't like dems and 'set 'em free' is 'screw 'em' if they want to be difficult.
John,
When Trump tweeted liberate, he meant this definition:
free (a country, city, or people) from enemy occupation.
In this case, their governors.
Where are walmarts and hardware stores closed down? Sure as hell not in Michigan.
yes
What gets me is people keep saying that non essential items people could not buy.
I call bull because I can go online and order anything that I want and have it delivered.
Their saying they are being blocked from items is a misnomer.
I really think he is. He is not mentally stable.
i'm POSITIVE he is.
I've said it since i was first introduced to this insecure, pathetic, self aggrandizing super serious security threat to our pathetically forgiving and oh so living in denial own pandemic, and not no West Nile, Righty righteous oh so not knowing and how, supporters of the orange cow so full of BULL, asz it has taken them by the horns,
they obviously Blow, Hard is his name, support him, asz they have no shame, asz he, has no skin in our countries game he plays with his feeble and twisted mind so lame, ALWAYS
NEEDING ANOTHER TO BLAME,
cause, he is a wasted won, without a win in the winners circle he lost
track of while going round the block of road in his heads up,
own asz he can't admit he has a need to be always right and can Never admit a wrong, cause he's left any humbling positive human characteristics in his will, to no one in his family
feud with a mental midget doude who feels being an A wholev lot a rude, is somehow presidential, and calls for others to bow down, praise and concede to his porcelain thrown
up, throwing up
hands and defeat like a Warrior General, who knows more than the other generals...
in general , and in Generaling his troops against the attacking Blue States that blow
others a way with Tulips,
and Flowers as well,
obviously For him,
as well as Algernon
Such a great book.
That would be his opposition
Trump red it to me, till he was blue attempting to pro-n-ounce the 28 anti viral's in the metric,
systematically causing me to say uncle Joe's gonna make you old sloppy, seconds only to your pornstar's one hundred ten thousand thirty seconds
, but you were her first, bubble to burst, while also her worst, as your liver couldn't deliver the viral bile as it's a liver wurst, and your tiny onions,
will never compear, your Orange Glo to the envious iiiiii's shut till the hornet is green
with no N V to spare, a broken rib on the Eve ning fling adjacent to the gutters, spiked with hidden hangers to coat the powder coated surfaces without an outlet
to de spair, while the end night cap, doesn't fit his swollen head down low,
wherevit belongs
And adds the 2nd Amendment comment to that, which IMO is instigating the protesters not just to wear their guns but to use them.
I'm not aware of the exact extent of the restrictions that have been imposed, but I believe that generally, people are being told to stay home, and only one person from a household is designated to leave the home for the purpose of purchasing necessities such as food and medicines but following the mask and social distance guidelines, and careful washing on return. That is what we did where we are for more than two months, and we did not become infected. I assume that you feel that it is too great a limitation of your sacred freedom.
Really? So the Lowes, Home Depot, and Ace Hardware in Grand Rapids are not shut down? That is news to their employees. You might want to talk to them. I know a few because we deliver loads to there, and none of them are receiving product now. We are at least allowed to drop containers/trailers in their parking lot to avoid yard storage charges. They will still be stuck with per diem/detention charges on the equipment; guess it sucks to be them. Their employees are not happy with Whitless.
Office Depot really didn't cancel an order for a new desk for my home office because they were deemed non-essential, and can't home deliver anymore? They promised to get my order to me as soon as restrictions were lifted. Unfortunately I will be back working at the regular office then; and won't have time to reorganize and assemble a new desk. So I canceled the order. Sucks for both of us- it was an expensive desk.
Walmart, Meijers, and other chains haven't blocked off areas that do not sell food, under pain of fines from the governor, if they sell anything outside of food.
Gardening/plant stores are not shut down either right? Which is the reason that people are upset they can't get seeds and plants for spring planting. Hell they can still order seeds online from outside of Michigan at least; so everything is good. That is if they get the seeds in time for planting; and before quarantine is lifted and they will either be back at work trying to make up for lost time; or spending all of their time looking for a new job.
So tell us what part of Michigan do you live in. When was the last time you were out trying to buy anything outside of food?
For me it was last Monday at Meijers; where I got to experience first hand their taped off areas for goods they could not sell; hell they didn't even have lights on in those areas. Not sure if we will have a victory garden or not this year. Of course most of that food was eaten by the neighborhood critters- so I guess things will be tough for them as well.
I think we have explained to you several times that accusing us of stating something we did not state, then try and argue that falsehood against us does not make you look good (neither does much else).
I never said that wal marts are closed. I said you can't buy certain items in wal mart in Michigan because those items are deemed non essential.
Good for you. What about all those poor, poor under served minority populations you libs keep saying are so rampant in this country, so many of them with no internet access?
I guess you got yours, so who cares about anybody else, huh?
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You have no idea where I live so to "guess" what my restrictions are from 8000 miles away is disingenuous at best.
Good that you did not get infected. Maybe you can tell that to the probably hundreds of thousands of Chinese that got infected and/or died from the virus the CCP is trying so hard to hide.
Don't worry....the truth will come out in the not too far future.
He doesn't live in Michigan. He lives in Indiana, I believe, but apparently all 50 states report to their favorite liberal to tell them exactly what is happening in their states. That way they can tell you what they think you need to know.
The same people have tried to tell me what the Florida governor is thinking and what they think he has done wrong without pointing out what their own governor may or may not have done right from a thousand miles away. When you show them how wrong they are they go straight to trying to argue something you never said.
It really is starting to become tiring showing how wrong they constantly are.
Let me do a bit of countering...
TDS sufferers hate him only because his name is not named Hillary, so there will never be a meeting of the minds.
Yes, there are many Native American reservations that do not have internet access. That is a fact and has been a problem for a very long time. The reservations are the least connected parts of America.
Thanks for proving my point to Ender.
It wasn't to prove a point bugsy. It was to educate you that the ''libs'' are correct in that there are minority communities that are not well served with the lack of broadband being one of them.
Never said there wasn't. The point was made when Ender said he has internet access so he doesn't understand why people have to go to a wal mart when they can just do like him and just order online and have things magically appear at his door.
By that post, he doesn't understand why everybody doesn't have it as good as he does and that people actually have to go to the store to purchase things they may need....or don't really need
Yes, technically they are sovereign nations. The problem is that we are only sovereign nations when it is beneficial to the government. The keyword is that we are designated as ''dependent nations''...
Due to the lack of infrastructure, it's a hard sell to convince service providers to erect cell towers or fiber optics in sparsely populated communities.
There is no bang for the buck to bring in service to one home with they can bring it in for hundreds of homes.
Federal funding is available to encourage internet providers to invest in remote areas of the country, (reservations are not the only parts of American that are underserved in the broadband area). Between 2010 and 2017 less than 1% of the funding from the FCC and the Department of Agriculture, rural utility service has been awarded directly to tribes or service providers owned by tribes.
Of course, there is the interpretation of form 477 that creates even more confusion.
This is a very interesting map showing the difference between rural and urban areas in the broadband arena.
In keeping with the changing demands of the economy, the Federal Communications Commission is considering revamping the existing Lifeline program to help the poor log into the majority of society--which is online. The plan goes to a vote on June 18 and if approved, the process to restructure the program to include a broadband subsidy will get underway. The agency releases data about broadband access annually and recently began representing it visually, in the map below. A closer look can be found here .
One of the major disparities in broadband access is between urban and rural areas. Arizona and Alaska have the largest geographical gap in broadband access, with more than a 7% difference between urban and rural users with access to high speed Internet. “This is calculated by subtracting the percent of the population with access to this speed in rural areas from the percent of the population with access to this speed in urban areas,” the FCC wrote.
Ran into that problem yesterday, went to Home Depot to get cement blocks to rebuild part of my basement wall (wooden walkout area having problem with mice, then RATS) went to pro desk to purchase blocks, sales lady said they have them, BUT they are located in the garden area and cannot be sold, I said then move them to the lumber area, they can't the SKU says garden area.
They had to order new blocks and I would have to pick them up when in from the parking lot, sometime next week I guess.
Of all the vicious comments I've weathered, your comment is the winner.
my comment was quite clear that much of rural America has a broadband problem. That is why the FCC and Dept of Ag have been involved in bringing broadband to these areas. It's also clear that there are costs to the provider and that is why I pointed out that federal funding was available but only 1% went directly to tribes or tribal owned internet providers. In many instances, we have invested our funds into providing service so I'm well aware that things cost money and are not free.
The lifeline program goes back to Reagan.
The people around here that are off the grid use satellite internet instead of cable. It is available nation wide through Viasat and HughesNet.
One more example of the insanity being foisted on the people in such areas.
As I stated before I'm aware of the costs because we have taken on the costs before.
That is why the FCC and Department of Ag are involved providing access to rural and tribal areas. Which I pointed out in my comment.
The additional info was from the map on down. The original comment covered what you were talking about.
Unless something changed HugheNet is not available nationwide. My BIL who lives less than a mile from me tried to get it and was told they do not have service in our area which is north-central Florida. This was 6 months ago.
Good news. Hughes Net Gen 5 has coast to coast service. Let your friend know so he can get it now.
I know you say you live somewhere north/central Florida. I live in Northeast Florida so I'm not sure why they would not have had service down there, especially when I see their ads all the time here.
LOL, he already has another provider so I doubt he'll cancel and go to Hughes.
We're Indians and live on the rez no service here.
I understand. I have DirecTV here and they are owned by ATT now, so maybe he went that way for internet service. Either way, its good to hear he is hooked up.
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Good morning kavika ,hope all is well with you and yours .speaking as one that lives on the WRIR in Wyoming , I can say that there is NOT a problem with internet acsess on the rez here where I live, matter of fact it is considered BETTER than some of the towns OFF rez , in reliability and as regards to cost, and it is a broadband fiber optic system that the tribes are in charge of .
about the only issue I can see is people choosing not to have it because of cost , my plan is $60 a month has acsess to both the 2.4 g and 5 g systems and its unlimited. They do have less expensive plans , but they go off a different system ie wireless. I had that for about $40 a month until I upgraded to fiber .
I am just waiting for all this to calm down some , and of course am watching my risk factors , so I can head up to Sheridan , and visit my new grand daughter Jemma , born 3/26/2020. being I live less than 4 blocks from one of the clinics where they have done about 20% of all testing in this state , I figure its better safe to give things time and be sure I am not a carrier, thus exposing family to something I do not want to.
Again stay healthy and happy my friend.
Congrats Mark on your new grand daughter. Great to see you again. Stay safe and stay healthy!
Why couldn't they be sold just because they are in the garden department? The GD of my HD is operational.
I don't know about the big box stores but Bic C lumber is in Michigan is doing curb side business.
You can also order all the stuff from the 'non-essential' list online from those retailers AND Walmart and have it delivered. No worries.
I suggest that they look up the last frost data for their location because as far as I know, the EARLIEST anyone in Michigan should be planting ANYTHING outside is May 10th. The further north you get the latter it gets.
If you ordered from any of the major seed companies in this country, you'd have your seeds in plenty of time. The Garden Centers in MI are ready to rock and role come May 1st. One of my best friends is a designer at a Nursery that I buy specialty plants from every year. Their stuff looks great [they downloaded some video of the greenhouses] and you could wait until then to get your seeds too.
So IMHO, y'all need to find something else to whine about.
Once again Crooked donnie proving why he is the WORST president in the history of this country
He is a lying POS
meh, I don't leave the house without my N-95, latex gloves, and 9mm now.
Why the 9mm? In case someone violates the 6 foot social distancing rule with you?
where I live, if somebody breaches your door jamb in home or vehicle without permission, you can drop them.
Boy, you must really live in the hood.
Riverdale or perhaps Englewood in Chicago?
Latest from Erie County 2,023 cases and 115 deaths
Latest from Shasta county in Ca. (Pop. 185,000) 26 cases and 3 deaths. 2 new cases in last 7 days. 13 completely recovered, 3 hospitalized the rest quarantined at home. All that died were older and had multiple other conditions. Our civic/convention center is a temporary hospital but hasn’t remotely been needed so far.
that's because there's no reason to visit that tea party shit hole in the winter or early spring, unless somebody runs out of meth...
Erie County has a population of 918,702
This is a breakdown of Covid-19 cases
In my town there are 134
The area in Blue is Erie County
So even though your upstate, the virus seems to have gotten to you, correct?
Correct. It's no joke, and it's mind boggling that some people think it's no big deal and that the rules should be relaxed.
You can thank your liberal governor for instituting the proper restrictions to keep even the believers of the mythical state of Jeffersonia safe.
People visit our beautiful area year round. Tourism is our #1 industry. A beautiful city with lots of parks and trails and wooded area green belts and surrounding lakes, rivers, waterfalls, forests, caves, mountains, recreation.
Almost all got it from being in Sacramento or the Bay Area just before the shutdown or related to someone who had been.
And the only place that I have ever seen in some honky-tonk town on the way to Yosemite, a bar that had a sign up saying "No dogs and No Indians". Some really nice people you have up there.
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to my fellow NYer, Lady in Black. She is an upstater.
Erie county has 5x our population and 80x our cases and fatalities. Spacing is likely the reason as Shasta county is physically larger than Deleware and Rhode Island combined.
We are considering that in this state as we are north of the bay area counties and of Sacramento. About 1/4 of the state by size and 1/12 by population.
So you think a sign that says "No Dogs, No Indians" is just fine and those are nice people. Wow.
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Man, your Democratic governor was right on the money eh? Sounds like he totally fucking nailed it with his management of this pandemic.
And crime, sadly.
Ive lived here all my life and have never seen anything like that around here though we aren’t anywhere near Yosemite as that’s around 300 miles south east of here.
It’s our Conservative city council, mayor, and conservative county board of supervisors who had us ready. According to the Sacramento Bee the counties in the far north east part of the state are the least compliant with the stuff beyond the federal recommendations. Not sure if they are right but we have few cases north of Sacramento and the Bay Area county region. Humboldt County with its port city of Eureka I believe has the most cases among the 20 counties north of the Bay Area and Sacramento with around 50 cases. Likely all potheads.
We have cross country and down hill skiing, snowboarding and snowmobile areas and nice downhills for sleds, tubes, toboggans and the like in the winter and early spring.
Buffalo has a lot of cases. In the past I've driven through your county. Somewhere in or near it we went to a big group of large outlet stores.
Im looking at Cuomo on fox news who is telling me the number of hospitalizations in new york are going down.
He has been reporting good news in that respect, but he has cautioned that we are not sure if we are going down or plateauing. It will still take about another week to see if we can go to phase 1. That being said, today he opened the marinas, which I am taking as a positive sign.
Not here in WNY, new cases and deaths keep going up.
Erie County reports 65 new cases of coronavirus, 4 additional deaths
Most of the cases in the county are in females, with 55 percent of cases affecting women, Poloncarz added.
The largest block of cases by age range is 50 to 59 years old, with 16.8 percent of cases in that age range.
DJTF takes his cue from Trump who has stated that those in hate groups are fine people.
Our governor is doing a great job throughout all of this.
No he didn't
It's amazing with all his shortcomings, Trump still doesn't criticized honestly.
Truth!
How many of these SELFISH brainless sad sacks are not wearing masks or 6 feet apart.
Which is ironic since Mich is the 5th worse in the nation for cases and the third worse for mortality.
Yet i still have only heard if 1 person getting it, And she recovered no problem, and she was elderly. So excuse if im not shaking on my boots
Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people both young and old have gotten covid and have not survived? Have you not seen the large number of dead in nursing and senior homes? Because I have lost a friend and know 7 other people who have not made it, never mind the huge number I personally know that have gotten it and were really sick.
I don't know where you live, but here in NY, it's been hell.
I understand that some places are hit harder. I know here in Michigan, detrout is a war zone. Yet here in my county, there were 50 cases last i checked, and 0 deaths, and my one city has at the very least 30000 people. Thats just 1 city. See my perspective? They have locked down my whole state. A simple drive to my friends house could cost me 1000 dollars according to the facist governor of my state. If they want to implement these kind of authoritarian measures in detroit, fine, makes sense. I choose to live in a rural community becaue i was disgusted by the congested city life to begin with. I sacrifice my proximity to the amenities of big cities to avoid crap like this, and i am still being made to suffer along with people who choose to take that risk. Funny how so many people are supposedly "pro-choice", but if i choose not to let this virus stop my life, i seem to take a lot of judgement for it. Im sorry for anyone who has suffered losses, but the US economy is so much more important than any individual's life. There needs to be an America left when all this panicking is over
OK, first of all, there are no fascists here in the US so stop the hyperbole. I'm gathering you live in Michigan. While I do not agree with your governor's strange rules (I personally think she went overboard), the fact is that what we found in NYS, which is mostly rural, is that because we have freedom of travel, the virus spread upstate, no problem. We have it now in over 10 upstate areas. Being in a rural area is no safety, if the people from your infected areas are allowed to travel, as we have found out in NY. Still, despite what people say about Gov Cuomo, he IS allowing NYers to travel.
I don't understand how you can conflate those two issues. Being pro-choice is a 1:1 relationship while dealing with a pandemic is apparently is more like a 4:1 relationship. So what you do (if you get infected) directly affects 4 other people. Hence the flooding of ill people in the hospitals.
Wow, that is cold. What is your acceptable number for deaths? Are you OK dying for the economy? How many of your loved ones and friends are you willing to give up, or do you just view this as someone else's problem? And anyway, this is not an either-or. We all want to open up. We just have to do it smartly. There will be an economy and my guess because we are all eager to go back to work, I expect it to be pretty quick.
facts are usually like that.
and before ya ask...
obviously the acceptable number of deaths is as few as possible without killing our economies as well
Yes it is going to spread all over the country most likely. There is no stopping it. However more rural cities are likely going to have an easier time dealing with it because we don't have the number of people and we are naturally more socially distanced just the way our cities are laid out. Our medical facilities are not going to get over run, even in bigger cities they are laying off employees due to low volumes of normal patients. My sister who works at st joe's also says it have been slow. She has been on call from low amounts of patients.
"The hospitals, and hospital experts, blame declining revenues from lost patient office visits and postponed medical procedures unrelated to the coronavirus pandemic, such as knee or hip replacements, for the layoffs and pay cuts."
I don't see how they are different. Abortion affects more people than just the mother. If you want to continue to use that ridiculous verbiage, that pro-choice only equals a woman's right to have an abortion, than I guess "pro-choice" people are going to have to support a lot of things they likely don't. Choice means choice. Not a woman's choice to have an abortion. I just think it's funny how that is not obvious. My body, my choice. If you don't support my choice, socially distance yourself from me. It's that easy.
The governor of your own state said these are war time efforts. In war there are causalities. Obviously I don't want anyone to die, I also don't want my country to die. I, being a soldier in this war, am willing to go out and risk my life to continue the American economy. I know I am sounding goofy here but I am actually being serious. I'm a young healthy male with no pre existing conditions living in an area not hard hit by the virus. I am fully willing to go out and risk it. That's just me and I don't believe everyone should, but I am confident I would be fine even if I got it. I think other people self evaluate that, they should have the liberty to keep on going.
If they get infected due to their ignorance, I won't shed a tear.
I just went shopping, one of the places I go is a corner store because they have good prices on cold cuts and I can call in an order.
As I was waiting to be cashed out this young girl probably a teen was not practicing any social distancing, she was right next to me and was NOT wearing a mask which is required in NYS.
I’m sure you dished out a nice stink eye or worse.
Did that teach her?
I hope you called her out on it. Me, I would have told her "You can either put on a mask and step back or I can have the cops do it for you." I went to my Mom And Pop store the other day and forgot my mask. I stood outside the door and passed the clerk money for my smokes and left.
All the SELFISH brainless protesters should fill one of these out:
Just as soon as drug addicts are denied treatment from OD. Deal?
Drug addicts don't make other people drug addicts by breathing on them.
However they suck resources out of the economy when we have to save their asses, feed them, and put up with the crime they commit, while they contribute nothing back to society. Point is lots of people make bad choices, you dont get to pick which ones you support
People with COVID-19 and no health insurance suck resources out of the economy.
So true:
Now health care workers have to act like the police...so sad but good for them:
Health care workers stand in opposition to Denver protesters who demanded a stay-at-home order be lifted on Sunday.
As over worked as they are seems like their time would be better spent doing their jobs or getting rested up when they can.
But then again maybe these aren’t healthcare workers at all but just people with a set of scrubs and a mask.
They don't have the right to stand up to people who are impeding their work?
Did you hear what that woman in the car shouted at that man in the scrubs? She yelled "go to China".
If they were impeding the Hospital workers work then that clearly isn’t right. Not sure how they would impede their work out on the road though.
As for the person who reportedly yelled go to China. It falls under my 10% rule. At least one out of ten in any group is a dumbass. Branding the entire group because of that one comment makes little sense to me.
Looks like the opposition lost as the stay at home order is being lifted on Sunday. Here a medical expert explains how we got here and why we are ready to loosen restrictions.
In her case, the RAM on the truck stands for Really Asinine Mofo.
Ironic that anti choicers are NOW pro choice;
Failed analogy since no one I know has a problem with reasonable social distancing rules staying in effect going forward.
Now the inverse appears to be the real irony. The pro choicers are all for ALL restrictions of choice on this one. All in, no choice.
Truly ironic.
If Trump is so eager to "reopen" then by God go and have a rally, take the entire Trump family and have one. If there is no danger then just do it. Trump frequently does not listen to his advisors, so just jump in and go for it. If Trump believed there was no danger he would be out there with them. Coward that he is, he simply stokes animosity and division while avoiding his own base.
He only wants restrictions lifted so he can have his bs ralleys.